Friday: Jackets get bowl waiver; somebody’s gonna be mad
COLLEGE FOOTBALL
-According to CBSSports.com, the NCAA approves Georgia Tech’s waiver to be bowl-eligible should they lose the ACC Championship Game on Saturday and go 6-7.
-So apparently rules don’t matter. Even rules that were written a few months ago. I think the rule that established the pecking order is stupid — why should GT be punished for having a better Coastal record than Virginia Tech and Duke, for example — but the fact is the NCAA wrote it that way and then just did a 180 when it came time to enforce it. Weak.
-Somebody’s going to be mad. We’ll find out in a few days who gets left out. MAC Commissioner John Steinbrecher already has spoken out: “I could not disagree more with the rationale provided. …What is lacking is the willingness to enforce NCAA policy and that is regrettable. All the Mid-American Conference asks is that the rules that have been approved by the member institutions of the NCAA be enforced. That did not occur in this instance.” He’s exactly right.
-A-C-C! A-C-C! Louisville beats Rutgers 20-17 to effectively sew up the Big East’s BCS bowl bid.
-Two conference title games tonight. Northern Illinois and Kent State square off for the MAC crown at 7 p.m. on ESPN2, followed by UCLA at Stanford for the Pac-12 championship at 8 p.m. on WFXR. The rest of the title games are tomorrow, with the SEC at 4 p.m. on WDBJ and the ACC at 8 p.m. on ESPN.
-Sparky Woods will continue to be the coach at VMI despite going 2-9 the past two seasons. Nappy has more on that here.
NBA
-Commissioner David Stern is furious after the Spurs rest four starters in what was supposed to be a marquee game against the Heat. “I apologize to all NBA fans. This was an unacceptable decision by the San Antonio Spurs and substantial sanctions will be forthcoming.”
BASEBALL
-The Nats acquire speedster Denard Span from the Twins for minor league pitcher Alex Meyer.
NAME THAT TUNE
Hint: Hair band.
You take your road, I’ll take mine
The paths have both been beaten
Searchin’ for a change of pace
Love needs to be sweetened
I scream my heart out, just to make a dime
And with that dime I bought your love
But now I’ve changed my mind…
November 30, 2012 - 7:15 AM
Mad isn’t going to be the least of it. Since it could mean multiple 6-6 teams get left out, I’d imagine the NCAA will be sued by each school left out, in each state they are in, so the legal eagles at headquarters better be prepping over the weekend, and not watching conference championship games.
Nobody’s Fool – Cinderella
So it looks like Tech will end up in the Russell Athletic Bowl.
Aaron, I’ll go a step further than you, and say that the NCAA has ZERO credibility. Penn State should sue NCAA for the 4 years sanction. USC should sue the NCAA for the vacancy of the title and restore their records. In other words, the NCAA are worse than Congress, and they have absolutely zero street cred. If the NCAA were on the street, they would have been trampled to death just for being stupid, and the fact that they decided their own rule didn’t apply to Georgia Tech but to smaller conference just is a slap in the face to themselves. The NCAA pretends to be all about equality and about amauterism, but they in truth are in love with the money and power that is tied to the Big Six conferences. GT would not have gained the waiver if they were not affilitated with the ACC.
In the spirit of the NCAA’s 180, I am reversing my stance, and hoping that the Bumble Bees win tomorrow night, choke in the Orange Bowl, and open the door for mockery of the NCAA’s lame, limp-wristed ruling.
David Stern and the NCAA are one of a kind. Hypocrite and worse than a John Kerry’s flip-flop.
If Georgia Tech wins tomorrow night and goes to the Orange Bowl then the whole issue is moot but Aaron I think you hit it on the head. It’s the rule that’s dumb. The NCAA should have never created it, particularly if they wouldn’t enforce it in certain situations. There are too many bowl games anyway!
Nobody’s Fool – Cinderella
Ah, so the ACC triumphs over the Big 10 in Piscataway!
What an absolutely ugly game to watch.
Trevor, I have to agree. I am shocked the NCAA ruled GT bowl eligible if they lose. It ranks up there with any politicians “yes I said it, but that didn’t mean I meant it”.
No clue on the song.
Another win for the ACC in the ACC_Big Ten challenge!
Song is “Nobody’s Fool” from Cinderella – one of the more talented and underrated hair bands in my opinion.
I can understand David Stern’s anger, but he’s not the one trying to coach a team to an NBA title. If Popovic thought resting Duncan/Parker/Ginobli was best for his long term goal of winning a title, I’m not sure how the league can fine him for it. Heck, the Spurs almost won anyway.
Trevor,
But not as bad as a Mitt Romney flip-flop?
NCAA ia as big a joke as ACC football. And the Czar of the NBA, David Stern needs to mind his own business and let coaches coach. What he should be worried about is whoever is responsible for the NBA schedule and why the Heat have been off for days and the Spurs play 4 road games in 5 days and 12 in one month.
Nobody’s Fool it is. Impressive job.
I wish I could remember where I saw it, but my favorite Twitter post on the Rutgers/Louisville game was “Now that Rutgers is a member of the Big 10, those uniforms have got to go.” If anyone missed it, here’s a link: http://images.google.com/imgres?q=rutgers+louisville+2012&num=10&hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1152&bih=667&tbm=isch&tbnid=xsTvV6GXKPmh_M:&imgrefurl=http://philly.sbnation.com/2012/10/14/3504496/2012-bcs-rankings-week-8&docid=rYJ-B0nAxRZeUM&imgurl=http://cdn2.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/1395197/154067994.0_standard_352.0.jpg&w=352&h=234&ei=grO4UIDCG9KxygHfqYHwAQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=93&sig=117116758783864792203&page=1&tbnh=130&tbnw=195&start=0&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0,i:125&tx=151&ty=-147
I know this article was about the waiver, but I couldn’t let the remark about GT getting punished go without rebuttal:
“…why should GT be punished for having a better Coastal record than Virginia Tech and Duke, for example” AF. Did you mean ACC record? Both schools were 3-2 in the Coastal.
Before Barry starts beating the GT drum, the difference was that both Duke and VT played FSU and Clemson from the Atlantic division. GT got to play Maryland, a school with no quarterback. Had the schedules been reversed, I don’t think we’d be seeing GT in the conference championship. Luck of the draw? Sure. But the answer to your question about GT being punished is – they were actually given a break with the schedule. And don’t forget, as bad as VT was this year, they still beat the GT cow flies.
I agree with your overall opinion that the smaller conferences got hosed in this decision.
Regarding the Spurs issue, the NBA’s in a real dilemma here. I can see Popovich’s point about the schedule. But the NBA can’t anger their TV networks, and attendance is so bad in some places that they can’t afford stunts like the Spurs pulled last night. (I read that tickets to the Portland/Washington game were available for 87 cents on Stubhub)
The Spurs’ decision makes the regular season look even more like a farce than it already is. That will hurt attendance, even at “big” games. The Heat uses a tiered ticketing system, so that tickets to the Spurs game averaged $70, whereas tickets to a game against a bad team may cost as little as $30. The whole ticketing system is screwed if the stars don’t play. And it could ultimately drive down the TV rights fees if networks can’t be assured that the big stars will play in the televised games.
So while Popovich may be right in principal, Stern absolutely has to throw the hammer down here.
The little troll Stern will probably concoct some draconian penalty on Popovich and then sit back and twirl his thumbs in glee. That little Weeble is such a joke. The Spurs had 4 road games spanning both coasts in 5 days. The Heat had not played since Saturday, a layoff of 5 days. The final score was 105 Heat-100 Spurs reserves. The sooner Stern is gone, the better.
So the NCAA is hypocritical, that’s a news flash. UNC academic scandal, anyone? We’re still talking about bowl games that only junkies will watch, anyway. It stinks for the MAC teams, though. I do feel empathy for them.
I guess this opens up the Music City Bowl for the Hokies, added to the Russell & Sun Bowls. In looking at circumstances, I’d guess it is the Russell, too. Tech hasn’t been there under any of the names. State has several times, and now have no head coach, so the fan base will not be enthusiastic. GT has no fan base, so they don’t count. Of course, Hokie fans aren’t going to exactly be swarming all over tickets, either.
I can’t wait to hear Jim Weaver and Frank Beamer start the arm twisting of fans to ‘buy your bowl tickets, through the VTTO only!’ so that the fans can get screwed out of decent seats at a bowl game once again. Weaver will pretend it’s out of his control, and Beamer will challenge our fandom for not watching his pitiful team in a bowl they don’t deserve. Yeah, good times for Hokie football.
Chris Van Cantford,
Show me a politician that doesn’t flip flop his position- is Gitmo closed?
Bob H
If you didn’t notice, that was my point. Go back and read Trevor’s original post.
I am shocked…SHOCKED that the ACC was granted a waiver. Once again the NCAA shows its rules are more like suggested guidelines.
crooked, although I couldn’t give a crap about the NBA, the term ‘weenie’ does seem to suit David Stern. He’s the kind of guy you like to see have a bounce pass sent his way one time by one of the players, just to see how he tried to handle it. He looks like the dorky kid that would dribble with both hands, and not do it well.
On the bowl ticket situation, I’m not sure even Frank Beamer has the ‘nads to pimp this team for bowl tickets.
Any politicans that flip flop is a flip-flopper for life.
Bowl games were supposed to be about matching teams with attractiveness, kind of like the high school proms, but instead, it has been about the A-list, B-list, and C-list celebrity match-ups with Inside Edition (ESPN) going behind the scene and declaring who they think is the most likely to be the best couples and the most likely to break up.
Would Roger Goddell have threatened to bring sanctions on Belichick for resting his starters after a brutual stretch?
I don’t know why I keep getting surprised by NCAA decisions. Very few make sense. The comparison to the US Congress is fitting.
I understand NBA fans want to see the best players on each team. But not sure Stern regulates who a coach plays and who he doesn’t. What would the difference have been if those 4 players sat on the bench the whole game and never played. If they aren’t going to play, why not let them go home?
CR, not sure you can be so critical of Weaver and Beamer asking fans to buy their bowl tickets through the school. VT has to buy any tickets left over from the schools allotment. It’s their fiduciary duty to the school to try and sell those tickets. If you don’t want to buy tickets, that’s your privelege. I’ve never heard Beamer challenge anyone’s “fandom”.
Sounds like some of the Spur’s starters could use a rest with that kind of schedule…and going up against a team that’s had four days rest, sounds like a good call on the coaches part. Stern needs to let coaches coach, and players play.
I’m finding it difficult to be the least bit enthusiastic about Tech’s bowl destination after the way the season played out. Yeah, no matter where the Hokies end up or who they play I’ll tune in to see how they do in one last game hoping it doesn’t end up another dissapointment. But I’m at the point I just want to switch gears and start watching and cheering for the BB team who at 6-0 are starting to get my hopes up…lets hope the round ball season gives us more to cheer about than the guys on the gridiron.
Yep, both the NCAA decision and the Stern thing are serious “Can of Worms” situations.
Chris,
Why single out any one politician (as you did) is my point? The political blogs are elsewhere on the RT site. I used it is a metaphor, in my post, as an example that the NCAA was as bad as any politician (which IMHO is an insult and adjective that applies).
By singling out one in particular, you crossed over to political, IMHO.
Bob H
Good grief, are you that thick? As I said, GO BACK AND READ TREVOR’S ORIGINAL POST (yes, I’m shouting)!
He singled out the John Kerry by name FIRST (that means, BEFORE me)! I noticed you didn’t complain about that.
When it comes to rules, I’m like a lemming falling over a cliff. If some sign says do it, I do it and if it says don’t, I don’t. The movie theater sign says no outside food, I chuck the piece of candy that’s been in my coat pocket for a month. And I’ll sit at a faulty red light at 2 a.m. until it either works or I decide to find another way home. But too often if you give an entity the authority to make rules it becomes like opium to an addict; they don’t know when to stop. In the NFL, that ridiculous rule that cost the Lions the game last week is a prime example. No scoring play can be challenged because it is automatically reviewed by up above. So what if the guy mistakenly challenges? The penalty was that the play was not reviewed, the TD counted (replays showed the runner was downed mid field) and on top of that they were assessed an unsportsmanlike penalty! You would have thought the coach kneed the ref. in the groin. The NFL sudden death rule is another example of too many people having too much time on their hands. It took them forever to do away with the archaic first score rule so now they replace it with what is essentially a first touchdown rule, and…they have still not done away with the dumb coin toss!!!! Not allowed to advance a muffed punt? Why? And don’t get me started on golf! Last year at the PGA Carl Pettersson was assessed a 2 stroke penalty when, while inside the hazard, his club touched a loose leaf during the swing! Horrors, why didn’t they just shoot him? Too many rules, not enough common sense.
On this Spurs thing, it just makes you wonder – just what the hell is player’s union for, anyway? Why does it exist? THIS is the type thing that unions were founded on, unsatisfactory working conditions.
I guess they figure if they can squeeze enough money out, screw it, that’s all we’re out for anyway. Otherwise, what is the point of its existence?
Fairness in how the schedule works out should be one of its prime concerns – more so than squeezing a few ‘extra’ millions out of ownership.
End of political rant.
Aritstotle don’t even start with the schedule issue. VT has been the benefit of a weak conference schedule in football and basketball just like other schools. That argument is weak. I’m thinking we would be hearing a different opinion on this issue if it was a 6-6 VT team getting ready to lose the conference title.
As for suing the NCAA, I’m not sure anyone has a case because bowl games are not guaranteed to anyone. What’s next, schools suing because they weren’t selected for the NCAA tourney?
The stern issue is ridiculous. The league has no say over who a coach plays and doesn’t. If there are any fines on this issue it will forever change the way the league viewed.
Rick H, I can’t think of enough derogatory comments to make about Stern. He really is a low ‘human bean’ in my book. Let’s not forget, he also signed off on the PowerBand bracelets as an official NBA sponsored product. As for Beamer ‘getting out the fans’ to Orlando? Watch and see.
540, Beamer did it last year, talking about ‘real Hokies’ supporting the team, and how we should be thankful for the team. As soon as Jim Weaver lifts a finger to get better tickets for Hokie fans via VTTO, then I’ll buy via VTTO. Since he’s chosen to not challenge us being put down low behind the team or in the corners of the end zone or in the upper deck, I’ll not buy through the VTTO. I’ll go online & buy for the same price and get far better seats. Year after year after year after year. Why should I sacrifice for the team when Weaver won’t do his job? Let Weaver & Beamer buy up the bad tickets. I’m buying the best tickets at the best price, and that has been from anywhere other than through the VTTO for a decade now.
Trevor I agree with you on the bowls but they stopped being about the best matchup a long time ago. I think it ended about the same time the bowls started caring more about how many fans you can bring instead of how good your team is.
David Stern is like the pimple that, no matter how hard you squeeze, nothing comes out of it, and it turns bigger, redder, and angry looking. Like crooked road, the sooner he is gone, the more everyone can breathe a sigh of relief.
scott, I think your post is one of the best today. I had a good laugh.
Chris Vancantfort, I don’t care if you don’t like the fact I picked John Kerry as an example of a flip-flopper. You used Mitt Romney. Ok. Swell. Wonderful. Get over it. Move on.
I think both the NCAA and Stern are on slippery slopes.
The NCAA is sort of boxed into granting the GT waiver. I agree with AM that they made a huge mistake in drafting the new policy to try to appease everyone after the UCLA decision last season. Let’s face it, they have to grant 6-6 teams who lose in their league championship a waiver. If not, teams will consider passing on the championship game to protect their bowl eligibility. The ACC already has a dog of a game on its hands with FSU and GT. What would happen if GT passed on the game in order to assure a bowl bid? Now you go to 6-6 VT and Duke. Let’s say they pass for the same reason. Now you’re down to a 4-8 UVA team. Who would want that, and what would you do if through some strange fluke, they pulled the upset. Now you have a team that has earned a BCS birth, but is not eligible due to record. You would have an old fashioned mess. For that reason, the NCAA has to approve the waiver.
OK. Let’s say Stern does come down on Pop and SA. How many is too many to sit? Down the stretch last season, the Heat sat Lebron and Wade for a couple of games. I’m sorry, but if I’m paying to see the Heat, I don’t think I’m getting my money’s worth by just seeing Bosh of the big 3. Who decides who are the stars that the fans are paying to see? I’ve heard some say that the players should have at least attended the game, but I’m sorry, if I’m a fan at that game, I paid to see them play–not watch from the bench. Let’s say Stern starts forcing the coaches to play the stars, now the players will start coming up with minor injuries in order to sit. I think this is one case where Stern should just release a statement that the issue will be addressed, and then get on a private conference call with the owners and handle the matter behind closed doors. Sometimes it’s just worth it to use common sense and appeal to people’s sense of reason rather than legislate a solution. Maybe Stern should ask the NCAA how that works out?
BobH, it was Trevor, not Chris, that first singled out a particular politician. If you object to the act of singling out an individual, please direct your complaint to the right person.
As for the VTTO and the seats they offer, I agree. I’ve been to two of the Sugar Bowls. First one (’95 season) we were so close to the bottom, around the 10 yard line, that I watched a lot of the action on the jumbotron. The other one (MNC game) we were in the next-to-top row. Needed space suits. Still, I preferred that to the low corner seats.
crooked, I’m with you, I haven’t bought bowl tickets thru VTTO for about a decade, I’ve gotten great, mucher cheaper seats thanks to eBay or just asking around.
But, I don’t think you can lay it at the feet of just Jim Weaver to fix, or cast blame his way. It is the system. There are another 120 athletic departments out there that need to stand up, too.
This is part of why the whole bowl system is screwed up. First, too damn many of them, as the outrage of this GT exemption exhibits, but the bowls, all also give preference to locals, corp sponsors, etc, that couldn’t give a crap other than getting their local recognition, let alone who is playing.
And, we have this BEAUTIFUL arrangement, anti-trust like, where the teams “invited” are required to buy a certain number, or “be responsible for” as they like to term.
It is like being invited to dinner at a lousy restaurant, or to friends you really don’t like, and being told you have to bring a magnum of Dom Perrignon for the privilege of being invited – and by the way – you have to come, you can’t stop at Cook Out for a better, cheaper meal.
As Frank Beamer should say ‘this whole deal is out of whack.’
CR, either you missed my point or I didn’t explain it well enough. I never said anyone should buy tickets through the VTTO. Like you, if I was going to go, I’d want the best seat at the best price. I was saying it is Weaver’s and Beamer’s responsibility to the university to sell as many tickets as possible through the school. I don’t see a problem with them encouraging fans to do that. You want them to hire new coaches, which will cost more money. That money has to come from somewhere.
I just went back and looked at Georgia Tech’s schedule. I didn’t realize just how bad they truly are. They have given up 42, 49, 47, 41, 50, and 42 points in games this year. It would be more interesting if Middle Tennessee was matching up against FSU. That I would watch.
RUMOR: GT to Big 10??
I am sitting in my cubby in San Antonio and we (my coworkers) all agree that Stern is a weenie. The point is to win championships. The Spurs do well in regular season and gag in the playoffs because they are old and run out of gas. What business is it of Stern’s how they prepare themselves. He is way out of line. Sir Charles said last night that all the guys in the NBA can play and the Spurs bench showed it last night.
The NCAA is worthless. So what else is new?
All fish flip-flop, all politicians reconsider past policy statements in light of current circumstances and present day applications. Oh I forgot, and what the polls have to say…
Trevor,
Let’s leave it at this.
You told me to “Get over it. Move on.” after you FIRST brought up John Kerry from more than eight years ago!
Who can’t seem to “Get over it. Move on.”?
540, you are incorrect in claiming I want new coaches hired. I’ve not called for any of the current VT coaches to be released. Not even the consistently incompetent Stinespring. I’ve never posted that any of these guys should be fired. I have posted as to the level of their incompetence and apathy, but I’ve not posted they should be fired. There is a difference.
The more I think about Stern, the more I think of how much of a jackass he is, because Popovich is doing what he is in the best interest of a) protecting the franchise players, b) protecting the said franchise’s investments, and c) the reserves who usually don’t see much action gave Miami’s Big 3 all they could handle and lost by 5 POINTS!
Stern should have sat back and marvel at Popovich’s genius instead of flapping his gums about how unacceptable the “product” were on display for the television audience, which did not include me, thankfully.
If Miami Big 3 could not put away the fiesty Spurs’ reserves, that tells me that there was something horribly wrong with the Heats. Lebron James should have been using, “Please, child” look all night long, instead, the Heats had to fight tooth and nail to win last night.
The question that should be asked, “If the Heat lost to the Spurs’ reserves, would Stern be so hell-bent on punishing Popovich?”
Hmm? Stern, sit down, and shut up. You work for the owners, not the other way around.
OG, you missed my point. I’m not sayng that VT deserved to be in the conference championship game. I think they stunk this year. Aaron opined that GT was being punished for having a better record than VT and Duke. I think not.
CVC, I didn’t have a problem with you bringing up Mitt Romney as a retort. So, why keep making something out of nothing? It was a tongue in cheek remark, nothing more, nothing less.
Chill, dude.
Why didn’t someone filed a lawsuit against the NCAA for last year’s decision to allow the Hokies into the Sugar Bowl after they were clobbered by Clemson in the Acc championship. And also for allowing Michigan into a BCS bowl game? Both of these teams were lucky and awful at the same time but money talks. It will all be academic anyway because the Jackets are going to sting the Injuns and they will have earned their right to play in the BCS bowl, yes, earning it…something that VT knows nothing about. Fire Beamer, Foster and all of these overpaid, overated Hokie coaches. Get into the 21st century in college football.
Barry from Ivy. Va Tech earned their way into the BCS bowls they have played in. I think you were stung by one of your yellow jackets and need an Epi-pen. I don’t where you get the overpaid coaches from. Frank Beamer is one of the lowest paid in the ACC. The “one trick pony” at UVA makes more than Coach Beamer. I personally don’t think any of the major college coaches are overpaid. The comments they have to listen to from people who have never coached a college team certainly entitles them to hazardous duty pay. I am sure the atheletes think they have earned the right to go to a bowl. Do you really think GT has earned the right to play? VT beat them and GT backed into the ACC Championship game. You may need more than an Epi-pen.
Hey #45, you seriously equate ’11 VT with GT of this year? Really? VT was 11-2 when they were invited to the Sugar. Ranked #17 having been ranked in the top 10 for 4 weeks. Their 2 losses were to the ACC champs, not to Middle Tenn St., not Miami, Georgia and oh, that first game this year, who was that with? They were ranked unlike GT who should they get after a loss will have a 6-7 record after getting an exemption from the rules. That’s why. How do you spell duh? Now what does Beamer et al have to do with your 6-6 team getting an exemption? Oh, and have I yet extended to you my sincere wish that should your team win the ACC that they not have it voided this time?
Boise State should of sued all those dirty dogs! Good point Barry from Ivy.
And the offense that GT runs is in the 21st century? Please. FSU by 3 touchdowns or more.
Who had the best conference record, VT or GT? Vt had a horse shoe around their neck when they beat GT in the last 40 seconds. VT’s 11-2 record from last year is very misleading, 6 of those games they won could have easily been lost. Just like this year, they lost them and ended up 6-6. Luck and home cooking officiating definitely gave them a 11-2 record last year. They played one good team and lost to them twice, that tells you enough about their 11-2 record. They lost to a terrible Michigan team in the Sugary Bowl; that game was a hall of fame embarrassment to the BCS and to college football. Beamer didnlt even know what was going on on the field that night and he is paid 2.5M or some other unbelievable salary. I am the voice of truth and reason but you people don’t want to listen to me. The ramblin’ wreck’ from Georgia Tech is going to make believers out of you tomorrow night. Tune in, don’t watch that SEC championship cause you will be disappointed because there will be another upset; another team from the state of Georgia will also win.
Though it won’t be announced until the BCS bowl pairings become official Sunday evening, Rutgers will play in the Russell Athletic Bowl on Dec. 28 in Orlando, Fla., where it is expected to face Virginia Tech, according to multiple sources familiar with the Big East’s bowl pecking order.
Kickoff at the Florida Citrus Bowl Stadium is slated for 5:30 p.m., and the game will be televised nationally on ESPN.
#50 “I am the voice of reason…”. So tell me voice of reason, when one team consistently beats another team head to head (remember 4-1, 7-2?), when that same team wins 4 conference titles that both teams are in and the other team wins none, how is it “reason”able to conclude the losing team is the superior team? That to me defies logic. And let’s not talk about OOC schedule as you’ll lose that one. I like stats because facts pretty much speak for themselves. Innuendo and references to overpaid coaches, overrated teams, unsubstantiated allegations of fans throwing bottles on the field etc. are just so much subjective hogwash. Pull for your team my friend, no harm in that, but what is up with you trashing another team simply because you no longer live in your home town and the local team is better? Your day will come, it’s just not now.
” I am the voice of truth and reason but you people don’t want to listen to me.”
Thank you for reinforcing my belief that you are suffering from delusion of grandeur. If you are the voice of truth and reason, then I am the Pope.
For what it’s worth, if Kent State wins the MAC championship game tonight (in overtime as we speak), there’s a real possibility that they will end up ranked in the top 14 of the final BCS standings (#17 entering this week), which would give them the Automatic bid to the Orange Bowl.
For just a minute, let it sink in that Kent State vs. Georgia Tech is a real possibility in the Orange Bowl…
There are only two people who can convince Beamer he needs coaching changes: Shane, his son, the voice of reason, and Steger, the voice of reality.
I would take GT and Kent State over last year’s doofus bowl game with VT and Michigan. Pope Barry has spoken, the Jackets will sting!!!!!!!!
Is it bad that I completely agree with the NCAA’s approval of Georgia Tech’s bowl waver? The ACC has a team (Miami) imposing a ban on themselves. Without that, a 7-5 Miami team meets FSU in Charlotte with both the winner and loser bowling, and the 6-6 Yellow Jackets are bowling anyway.
But only because Miami decided to sit this year out, GT is sitting in a position to elevate their bowl from “Whoever paid the most money” Bowl to Orange Bowl.
If after two years of voluntary bans, Miami gets the NCAA’s blessing to not have to deal with anymore post season bans, why should the Yellow Jackets get punished this year for finishing this year 6-6, Tied for 1st in the Coastal, and losing the 3 way tiebreaker in 3rd place, yet being the default winner over an NCAA ban and a self imposed ban? According the NCAA’s punishments, GT has lost out to Miami and the Seminoles should be meeting a team from South Beach today.
Very wrong on a couple of accounts, mike3. First, I don’t know why people anoint Shane with this supposed ‘voice of reason’ when everything he’s said since arriving is pretty much a parroting of his daddy’s cliches. I know, I know, it’s the desire for the last name to continue on into infinity as the dictator of Hokie football. Thus the reason Shane is considered the anointed one. Because of his last name & DNA.
The people who have spoken are the big money donors, not Shane or Steger. Whether Frank Beamer listens to even them any more is the question. He certainly gives no credibility to the desires of thousands of ‘everyday’ fans. The big money folks are twisting his arm really hard, though. They’re as tired as the rest of us in his antiquated mindset and misplaced loyalties. We’ll see just how stubborn he really is in January. This could be another Dave Braine moment for him.
Word is changes are coming and will be announced after the bowl. Hang on and let’s hope for the best.
It blows me away at how all the boo birds want to see shake ups on Frank’s staff and changes in philosophy because of a one season set back in 20 years of success. It was just last year that many were saying that the secret to VA Tech’s success was the long term tenure and loyalty of the staff. Last year, one of the major articles of the Roanoke times was that hokie fans were tired of going to the orange bowl! There were complaints that paying for the acc cahmpionship game and then the orange was just too much! Whine, whine, whine. How do you like it that we will watch a team we beat and another that we could have beaten compete for the championship and that we can’t even smell the oranges, let alone complain about going again. You so called fans need to look at the body of work from the last twenty years and appreciate what we have going. I am looking forward to seeing the Hokies once more this year and hold high expectations for next season.
I would take GT and Kent State over last year’s doofus bowl game with VT and Michigan. Pope Barry has spoken, the Jackets will sting!!!!!!!!
Comment by Barry from Ivy — November 30, 2012 @ 11:48 pm
Hey Barry,
Sour grapes, makes cheap w(h)ine. Enjoy the beat down you get tonight with all those $2 tickets, close to game time they may be paying people to go to the game. Nobody wants to watch your leather helmet version of football. The only reason you want Beamer and Foster gone is they own your crappy team.
Am – I liked your Q&A this week. Good quote from Scott.
Crooked Road (Aristohokiegeezer-in-Chief). Get off it please. I don’t really have any idea why you are so angry at the Beamers but it is like you have something personal with them. Would you kick their dog, too?
Also, you worte something a couple weeks ago about how our basketball season would be so bad it would make me long for this past football season. DON’T THINK SO.
Ao its only halftime aginst OKState but I have to say that we are a whole bunch more fun to watch than any team since Dell Curry’s. If Green isn’t the best point in the ACC I wouldn’t want to live on the difference between him and #1. You also wrote he wouldn;t have any help this season. Wrong again. Eddie and Raines can really play and Brown is right with them. We may only have 9 scholorship players but we can clearly go 9 deep.
I don;t know if we will win this game or not but our guys can play and we are going to shock some in the ACC.
We win.
We make FTs at the end.
We are going to be ranked.
We beat two consecutive teams that were bigger and stronger.
All those who still say Weaver was an idiot, wrong and ought to be fired over SG please stand up and face the music.
HOKIES!!!!!!
Ken86, well said. You know it’s amazing. The coaches never have gotten credit in previous years when the offense would score 38 or more points and setting school records, but they get all the blame when the offense isn’t playing well.
VA tech is the one that should be left out. Tech will probably get a bowl game close to home so more fans will go. It’s all about money . Tech does not deserve a bowl game. The team and coaches are all overrated.
What a great win by the Hurrin’ Hokies 2.0! First win over a ranked non-conference team in about eleventy gazillion years! Huge, HUGE DAP to Coach Johnson & the team!
Fun to watch, the players are loving it, and the results are there. More important than the wins is the way the team is becoming more consistent every game in their play through the game. That was always a fault in years past – they’d go to sleep for 4-5 minutes at a stretch, and the opponent would go on a 15-0 tear, or whatever. Now it is US going on the tear. FT shooting is great, another historical weakness. 3 pt shooting is frequent and higher percentage, too. Johnson is also seamless in his substitution patterns. We’re short handed this season, but you’d never know it thus far.
Just an awesome job by Johnson & his team.
Hey Crooked Road, I hope you are right, maybe the big money power brokers will lean on Beamer. I believe Weaver is only a sound board and he will need Stegers ear to have any changes. Would not wait too long make the needed changes.
Barry, once again, the blog crowd who said FSU would win were right once again. BOOM!
Good effort by the Jackets but got to score touchdowns in the red zone. It was there for the taking in the second half, just came up short. Closer than you Hokie fans wanted to believe. Guess you are on the way to Orlando.
Dear Barry from Ivy, I want to be one of the very first to offer you my condolences on your loss. Your little swarm of insects had no sting! Three field goals in the first three and a half quarters was just too little and too late to beat FSU. I would hope you will grab a big ol jug of your Ivy Koolaide and a crying towel or two and go hibernate in a deep hole somwhere until the Spring thaw! When you come out of your hole, find a GT forum and leave the Hokie fans alone.
Thanks
Barry, it’s ok, you are just a sore loser because as I have repeated so many time, Tevin Washington have a penchant for killing promising drives with an interception. It happened in Blacksburg, thanks Gayle and Kyle Fuller, and it happened last night.
BOOM!
FSU 21, GT 15. BOOM! Have a nice Sunday.
Also, a huge congratulation to JJ and the Hurrying Hokies. That was a huge statement win yesterday. There’s one more big game coming up, West, by God, Virginia and their style is similar to Tech. Both teams loves to shoot from downtown, and the difference in this game is if Tech can conquer the 1-3-1 zone that West Virginia employs by using backdoor passes and finishers, I think that Tech can hang with them. The zone defense and full-court press are effective in slowing down up-tempo teams, like UNC and Virginia Tech, but if they can get smarter with their shot selections, I think that Virginia Tech can finish the 3 game stretch with an empathic victory.
The Jackets did make it interesting in the final quarter even without a sting. We will be better next year and the Hokies will be worse, don’t y’all agree?
Barry – Does GT not have their only blog? Please find one and leave. We really could care less about your stingless bees as the Hokies have owned them since coming to the ACC. I know you don’t want to hear that, but the truth hurts. Hope you have a good week thinking about USC and another loss!