Practice report: On Logan Thomas’ NFL thoughts, Todd McShay’s comments and the RB rotation
There were three items of note from post-practice interviews with offensive players Saturday night, and I’ll touch on each of them. Here they are broadly:
1. Quarterback Logan Thomas said he’s planning on coming back to Virginia Tech for his senior season right now.
2. Both Bryan Stinespring and Thomas said they don’t really give a rip about what ESPN’s Todd McShay has to say about them and the Hokies’ offense.
3. The narrowing of the running back rotation has more to do with personnel groups than anything. All four should still be on the field in some capacity next week at Miami, although expect J.C. Coleman and Tony Gregory to get the majority of work.
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Let’s go a little more in depth on all of those …
** Asked if this season affected his decision about entering the NFL Draft after this year, Thomas said it hadn’t and that he had always leaned toward coming back. (This is news to me. The last time I remember it being brought up was at the ACC media days, when Thomas said he would revisit it after the season.)
Here’s what Thomas said Saturday night: ”I’ve always told everybody that I’m planning on coming back for my last one. So there’s no change in that right now.”
Thomas’ numbers are actually on pace to match those from last year. If the Hokies play 13 games this year, the quarterback would finish with 3,103 passing yards and 21 touchdowns, which would eclipse his figures from last season. But Thomas hasn’t been as sharp, matching his interception total (10) from last year in only eight games.
He doesn’t think all the interceptions are on him. Some were on one-on-one situations, others on tipped passes. He estimated that four were completely on him.
“I’m always critical of myself,” he said. “I expect perfection, just like most everybody does. … But at the same time, you can’t live in the past. You’ve got to move forward. And that’s what makes a good quarterback, being able to move forward with what you do. You’ve just got to let the last play go behind you, because if it’s an interception, the very next play could be a 50-yard pass and there it is right there behind you already.
“You’ve got to be able to move to the next, and after I threw the pick-six last week, I guess I came out and played a pretty good rest of the game.”
Thomas thinks he’s improved his game “leaps and bounds” across the board, while admitting that the stats probably don’t show that.
“Last year you go back and look at my games, and I’m throwing the ball off-balance, side-armed and Jarrett [Boykin] and Danny [Coale] are making great catches,” he said. “I feel much more improved in reading the defense, stepping up in the pocket and delivering the ball. Last year I was ready to tuck it and run halfway through my read and this year I’ll go through them all. If taking a sack happens, it happens. But that’s just how you improve as a quarterback. And you don’t see really any quarterbacks in the NFL tucking and running every other play, every other dropback. So as a quarterback, that’s where you need to progress.”
** Stinespring bristled at McShay’s comments last week about the Hokies’ offensive scheme being “out-dated by 10 to 15 years.”
The remarks by the ESPN commentator touched a nerve with a section of the Hokies fan base, falling in line with what those critical of the offensive play-calling have been saying for some time. But Stinespring, like Frank Beamer, who contended on his radio show that McShay makes controversial comments like that to stay on TV, isn’t concerning himself with it.
“I don’t really care what Todd McShay has to say,” Stinespring said. “That doesn’t benefit me one way or another what Todd McShay has to say. I don’t recall him being here at practice. I don’t recall him being at a game. What he says, that’s his opinion.
“I’m not sure what his job is. I don’t know that I’ve ever been privy to pay attention to what his job is. But what his job is certainly has no bearing on what my job is all about and what we do here at Virginia Tech.”
Thomas had similar thoughts about what McShay had to say about his draft stock.
“You hear it, but what are you going to do about it?” Thomas said. “I don’t really care, personally. He’s just a guy on the outside looking in.”
Virginia Tech made tweaks in the offseason to update and diversify its offensive scheme, adding more of a hurry-up element, more motioning and the Pistol formation, all of which Stinespring said he feels good about the team running, even if things have not gone completely to plan this year.
“I think we’ve been a constant work in progress, but I feel comfortable in everything we’re doing,” he said. “And I think our players do. … We haven’t been consistent with what we’ve done. That sounds like a broken record, but I think these guys would concur. When we’re on point and we’re doing the things that we’re capable of doing, then I think we’re capable of success. They know that and we know that.”
** The paring down of the running back rotation doesn’t sound as drastic as Frank made it out to be Monday.
Running backs coach Shane Beamer said the running backs snaps have already been narrowed. Shane said Coleman and Gregory played about 85 percent of the snaps the last two games. Coleman got 45 plays at Clemson and Gregory 28, with Michael Holmes and Martin Scales getting about five apiece. That’s the direction Tech is going.
“I think what [Frank] was alluding to and what we want to do is be specific about who’s in there with what personnel grouping,” Shane said.
Shane said it has more to do with narrowing reps at practice. For instance, Scales won’t be on the field when Tech has a three wide receiver set. Similarly, when the Hokies use two tight ends and a fullback, it’ll be either Holmes or Scales on the field for short-yardage situations. So players who won’t be in those personnel packages in games don’t need those reps at practice.
“Do we want to narrow it down? Yes,” Shane said. “Do I anticipate Michael, Martin, J.C. and Tony being all in the game at some point Thursday night? I still do. We’re not shelving those guys.”
Shane said he’s got a good feel for how to keep guys in a rhythm, even though the running backs’ numbers didn’t turn out great at Clemson. Coleman gets the start, with Gregory coming in on the second or third series and the two rotating after that, coming out situationally for Holmes and Scales.
Here are a few more odds and ends from Saturday night …
- Shane said he felt comfortable with Holmes getting the fourth-down carry early in the game against Clemson, even though it got stuffed. Holmes and Scales had been rotating in that short-yardage package, and Holmes had run tough on a third-down play right before that. The blocking didn’t help the play’s cause. “We had a breakdown in a blocking assignment,” Shane said. “It wasn’t the back that was in there. We had a breakdown up front on that one.”
- South Carolina running back Marcus Lattimore‘s gruesome leg injury was tough for Shane to take. He was the Gamecocks’ recruiting coordinator in 2010, when Lattimore signed with South Carolina. “He’s as team-oriented as you can get,” Shane said. “Tough. Never about him. Awful deal. Great kid, though.”
- The bye week helped a few injured players get rested up. Stinespring said it was good for both left guard David Wang (knee/ankle) and center/guard Caleb Farris (ankle). Wang played against Clemson but was still limited. Farris has missed the last two games but was in a blue, limited jersey Saturday night, getting first-team reps at center. “I’ve actually been excited about what he’s been able to do,” Stinespring said. “Again, he’s not 100 percent, but I think it shows a tremendous commitment on his part. It shows how hard he’s been working to this point. We certainly need him in there.”
- Everybody thought the bye provided a good break. The players started practice again Thursday after just doing film review on Monday and getting Tuesday and Wednesday off. “You’re never going to be 100 percent midway through the season,” Thomas said, “but to get back to about 90, 95 percent of feeling good about yourself and being able to move and not being able to have the aches and pains every day [is good].” Said Shane: “I think there’s a little bit more pep in their step.”
- The ACC Coastal standings got more muddled Saturday. Duke got hammered at Florida State, bringing the Blue Devils back to the pack. That puts Duke, ineligible North Carolina and Miami in first place with matching 3-2 records. Virginia Tech is next at 2-2 in ACC play. “Coach Beamer, he always reminds us that things are in our hands and that if we win out the rest of our games that we’d be able to go to the ACC championship game,” Coleman said. “So everybody’s aware.”
- What would winning the division title in a down year like this do for the team? “It would be big,” Coleman said. “Everybody has already counted us out because we’ve had a tough year and we got off to a rough start. But it would just be big for us. Definitely to go out there and win the ACC championship, it’d be almost like a dream story for this year, because it’s tough.”
October 27, 2012 - 9:19 PM
McShay is right, the truth hurts.
The closest thing college football has to an equalizer between the kings (Alabama, USC, LSU, Texas, etc.) and the non-kings (including Virginia Tech, which Stewart Mandel refers to as a “baron”) is the quarterback position.
One thing the top recruiting powerhouses CANNOT do is hoard five star quarterbacks to their benefit. At one point, Florida had BOTH Tim Tebow and Cam Newton on its roster, BUT NO ONE CARES for obvious reasons.
On the other hand, programs that can’t recruit as well can SOMETIMES get a top-flight QB because QB is probably the most difficult position to project coming out of high school. (Matt Ryan was a three star recruit out of high school. Aaron Rodgers was recruited to play at BUTTE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. Imagine what must have sounded like coming out of Mr. Rodger’s mouth soon after high school.) Heck, even Michael Vick was overshadowed by Ronald Curry and thus would only go to schools not “elite” enough to go after Curry like Syracuse…and Virginia Tech.)
To a lesser extent, the same thing may be said about the running back position because you use at most two for your rotation and if you can get ONE feature back (LaDainian Tomlinson at TCU, Darren Sproles at KSU, Ron Dayne at Wisconsin, etc.) then you’re OK barring injuries which is a case of luck. In the case of VT, VT HAS DONE ITS BEST RECRUITING AT RB (Suggs, Jones, Ore, Evans, Williams, Wilson).
NOW, the one place where the kings have the MAJOR advantage over the non-kings is IN THE TRENCHES (on both sides of the ball). Why? O-linemen are tremendously hard to project (see Virginia Tech’s four star recruits Aaron Brown, Will Alvarez, and even Vinston Painter) so VT can’t afford to miss on O-linemen and you need five starters on the line with some backups—THIS IS THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE AS AN ENTIRE BASKETBALL TEAM. It’s one thing to land ONE good QB or RB; another to land EIGHT good O-linemen. Alabama can do the latter with ease and thus has room to mess up. VT can’t do the latter with ease and gets hurt BADLY when O-linemen fail to pan out.
The difference in the trenches was SO EVIDENT in VT’s loss to FSU in the Sugar Bowl. Michael Vick was running for his life out there. VT’s OFFENSIVE LINE WAS GETTING FLAT-OUT KILLED BY FSU’S DEFENSIVE FRONT; IT WAS AWFUL TO WATCH. And VT’s D-front could NOT get adequate pressure on FSU’s O-line and Chris Weinke.
Yet VT rushed for 278 yards for 5.3 yards a carry against FSU which included Vick’s sacks. Why? Because VT had a freak QB in Vick and two very underrated RBs in Shyrone Stith and Andre Kendrick.
AND THE KEY POINT IN ADDITION TO VICK IS THAT VT ran a ton of option and it was quite frankly executed incredibly well.
My point is, VT should acknowledge that its best chance of winning a national title involves getting a dynamic QB-RB pair and realizing that it should NOT rely on winning a battle in the trenches. So the offensive philosophy ought to be built around that idea NOT on the idea that “my offensive line will push around Alabama’s defensive front.” Because the day that it does, Satan will freeze.
Ditto. The truth hurts!! McShay is just saying what a lot us have been saying for several years. Unless something changes, the criticism by the media gurus is only going to get worse.
And Mcshay has said he likes VA Tech. He likes the way Beamer runs the program. But he thinks we can do better, as do the rest of us.
And here I thought you took a day off Andy. My Bad.
I’m going to go ahead and trust McShay on this one. After all Beamer was a DB as a player then a DC then a Head coach. Stinespring was an OL as a player then OL/TE coach then an OC(inexplicably). Don’t see much in there that would lead you to believe they had offense expertise
First of all, Stiney being critical of anyone is a complete joke. He obviously not only has ZERO credibility as an offensive mind but also marginalizing anyone else’s unfavorable opinion. Todd McShay certainly makes mistakes and isn’t perfect in all of his assessments, but the guy makes a living evaluating college football talent as well as the PROGRAMS AND SYSTEMS those players come out of. Ask any other analyst/scout and they will tell you the same thing. He doesn’t make stuff up. He watches tons of games and film. He calls it like he sees it. You are blind if you think Virginia Tech runs a legit offense. There is a reason this program cannot get over the hump and beat anyone relivant. The problem is Beamer is so well liked and coddled so nobody dares to criticize him. McShay isn’t that guy and Tech fans should appreciate the truth and see reality. While I like Beamer and appreciate all he has done, I want to see the program either take that next step toward that top level or fall back in order to force some sort of reassessment or quality change.
Thanks for the updates, Andy. As always, they are much appreciated. Logan Thomas is just saying what he has to say right now. In the middle of the season, it would not be smart to announce he’s leaning toward going pro. He may or may not be, we should know by the middle of January.
While it would be nice to have him back, I really don’t see how he will gain any better techniques by studying under O’Cain and in Stinespring’s offenses than he would during a year with any NFL tutelage. My thoughts on him going pro are the same as any other Hokie – if you project to go 2nd round or higher, bye bye. Thanks for your time here, and good luck to you, no hard feelings at all.
As for Stinespring’s attempted rebuttal of McShay, it seemed as clumsy as his offensive strategies. Since Hokie practices are essentially closed, I don’t suppose McShay could attend them, not that it matters. He can certainly watch game film, which is exponentially more valuable than watching live games. McShay certainly has been watching Hokie game film, if only to evaluate the players like Logan Thomas. That’s kind of his job, Stinespring, as everyone knows, except you, evidently.
Stinespring point to lack of consistency among the players as the reason for the offense’s many failing this season. Perhaps he should look in the mirror and consider the lack of consistency his multiple offensive strategies create. That’s an issue Stinespring has always had, and Frank Beamer has always defended emotionally as being non-existent, despite visual evidence to the contrary. Nothing will change on that front as long as Frank stays around the program, so we all have to enjoy the ride.
Thomas back for2013 makes sense Bring on the TIde!
Stinespring bristles and then says he does not care? Hmmm … doubt that one. I think he cares a lot. I think he knows. If he did not care, he would not react and it would not strike a nerve. You can look at VT on the field and they are no doubt stuck in an era 15 years back. You just get the feeling that the coaches are coasting and are not really up to making changes needed to be successful. They want to sit in their rocking chairs.
McShay’s football knowledge is 100x that of Stinespring, which continues to show in Stinespring’s simpleton offensive play-calling. A middle-school kid with football knowledge could design a more prolific offense than what the Hokies have produced in the past decade…
So Stiney is insulted by McShay. Well, Stiney, some of Hokies fans who pay your salary are insulted by you.
no soup for me !!!
Andy – I truly appreciate your in depth reporting as you have hit the nerve. For Stiney (and LT) to be defensive after having been blown out by Clemson 3 times in the past two years (62-7 in 2nd half’s) against a very weak Tiger defense, confirms McShay’s opinions. For Beamer to enable Stiney, O’Cain, and Newsome to continue to lead our inept, outdated offense is mindboggling and distrubing, if the goal is to be the absolute best we can be on the field. The truth of this matter is compelling, and Frank must make signficant changes, as this is really starting to look like BBowden II…..
“Stinespring said he feels good about the team running, even if things have not gone completely to plan this year.”
Did he really say that? Running backs have accounted
for less than 800 yds. in eight games and he feels good about it.
Unbelievable!
VT’s offense is horrible. Sad to say, I have been complaining about Stinespring for quite some time now. It is apparent he has not been able to design a top D1 offense in his tenure at VT. The offensive schemes and playcalling have been so predictable and simplistic, it’s amazing that the team has still been so successful (thank you athletes, thank you defense, etc). VT has been very fortunate to have Frank Beamer as the VT coach because I do believe he runs about as honest of a D1 program as any in the country and gets (and gives) a lot to and from his players, but I think his loyalty and obstinence is getting the better of him as the game of college football continues to evolve. Thank god we continue to out-recruit everyone for the top in-state talent. We may start to see a bigger decline if our acquaintances in C’ville improve on their recruiting front. Oh wait, I think they have started to do so… My prediction is that unless VT makes major changes on the offensive side of the football, 5, 6, and 7 loss seasons are going to be commonplace in Blacksburg. Thank god for the Eastern…Western..(insert state name here) state universities of the world (and our ACC friend Duke) to boost our win total every year so we should be able to rack up 6, 7, or 8 wins a year and still look like a winning program. Come on Frank, to be a great leader, you have to make hard decisions. Make those decisions.
Stinespring says “I think we’ve been a constant work in progress…” His horrible offense has been a “work in progress” since he was anointed Offensive Coordinator. He jumped the shark several years ago when he had Tyrod Taylor and a great collection of RBs and receivers and came up with no new plays to take advantage of all that talent. The only new play added was “When it all goes to crap, Taylor makes up something to save the play.” Now that things are in a down year (recruiting holes, injuries, etc.), there is no adjustment based on who is available, just general and broad tweaks to an already screwed-up offensive “scheme.” Of course, “adjustment” has never been in the VT coaching vocabulary (except Foster), whether in a game, during the season, or in the off season. It is time for the athletic director to pull a Dave Braine and tell Beamer it is time to make some big changes in his staff while there is still a chance for the program to recover.
Jack nails it except for one thing. The direction we are going don’t count on beating Duke on a regular basis.
Frank has been in denial for a long time and is in denial now. If he remains in denial, and there is no reason to expect otherwise, there will be no hope for the Hokies to ever rise to the level to which we had all aspired. And if there is no hope there must be change.
My recomendation is for all fellow Hokies fans to go to the below site and read the article. The numbers never lie. Go Hokies!
http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2012/october/25/statistics-offensive-predictability#more
Unless Beamer can recruit toe to toe with Saban at Alabama, our running attack offense from the 70s has no chance to get us into the upper level of college football. The Stiney comments have been beat to death, and Beamer is NOT going to change. Look out 7 and 5 record, here we come on a regular basis.
What Stiney needs to understand is changing the opponent at the top of the page does not count as tweaking the game plan. I think O’Cain said several weeks ago that we have to take what the defense is giving us. If that is the case why do we hear that the good offenses keep the defense guessing. I quite frankly am at a loss to discern the thinking in the athletic department at VT. The two basketball coaches were hired without a search, we appear not to want to search for new football coaches. It looks like Shane has improved the recruiting but will we keep them after the season. Some of our best players were not recruited until they came to us JC Coleman, Kevin Jones, we got Vick at a fire sale because everyone wanted Curry. I love reading the comments of all you guys but all the venting we do won’t help. There will be no relief until Weaver starts to feel a pinch in his wallet. Go Hokies!
Shane Beamer will be the man. Patience! Rome wasn’t built in a day!
I really respect Frank, and think he has done a great job, but he has a blind spot. He is too nice a guy. He sticks by coaches and players too long when they are not performing. Sitting on the bench or potentially losing your job can be great motivators. But Frank is such a nice guy that his team as a whole suffers because of the people who, for wahtever reason, are underperforming. And maybe Frank and his staff have gotten complacent. The Hokie nation loves Frank, and he knows he has a great thing going, and with Frank’s demeanor and Nice-guyness, the coaches may sit back and not be hungry. Just my 2 cents.
Gee, it appears that I’m not the lone soul disappointed by the Hokie’s disarray on offense. How about that? I just re-read Stinespring’s comments above, and I had to laugh at something. Here is part of what Stinespring said in his emotional retort about Todd McShay’s criticism of his offenses.
‘I’m not sure what his job is. I don’t know that I’ve ever been privy to pay attention to what his job is.’
Then I remembered this – Stinespring has been an Offensive Coordinator at a BCS school for over a decade now. Supposedly, he doesn’t even call his own plays any more. His QB coach does. The guy who sits next to him in the booth in a moment of supreme redundancy. Stinespring’s underling calls his plays for him.
So I’ve got this comment about Stinespring – ‘I’m not sure what his job is. I don’t know that I’ve ever been privy to pay attention to what his job is.’
As for Stinespring’s ridiculous assertion about the health of the RB play, well, it just echoes Frank Beamer’s ridiculous defenses of any & all criticism of Stinespring. Perhaps folks haven’t noticed, but Frank Beamer gets just as emotional in defending Stinespring as Stinespring did in his comments on McShay. Now, Beamer apologists will say that’s because he’s so ‘loyal’. Here’s why that is wrong. Ask yourself, when has Frank Beamer EVER gotten emotional in his defense of Bud Foster’s defensive performance? You know, the guy who followed him here from Murray State over 25 years ago? The guy whose defense has been the overwhelming reason for Frank Beamer’s success at VaTech? Frank Beamer doesn’t get emotional when discussing Bud Foster’s performance. Yet he always does when forced to discuss Stinespring’s. Why is that? Because Frank Beamer knows the criticism is true, yet he refuses to take the necessary action on it. Frank Beamer knows Stinespring’s weakness is Frank Beamer’s weakness, and he will never change that as long as he has an ounce of authority at VT.
So get used to it, folks. Stinespring’s never, EVER going anywhere as long as Frank Beamer is in charge. The end is a long way from here.
New coaches = fresh faces, fresh new ideas, excitement…VT has become very predictable in its offensive and defensive schemes….Time to move the chains..
Supposedly Stinespring was Beamer’s secretary’s boyfriend when Frank hired him so many years ago.
Trying to stay in the present, Miami’s defense is ranked 116 in the nation giving up 500 yards a game. Beamer thought 400 yards against a suspect Clemson D was a good performance. Probably a true statement 10-15 years ago. Maybe McShay hit the nail on the head. Let’s see how the offense responds after weekend off.
As far as the comments are concerned, other coaches in college or the NFL are never going to publicly be critical of another team’s scheme or play calling. First, they are too busy worrying about their own team’s preparation and performance. Second, they are a tight-knit fraternity based on being supportive and loyal.
On a good note, How about them Georgia Dogs? Hard hitting, top five win!! Reminds me when H. Walker was playing. How about those freshmen tailbacks!!
Go Dogs!!
I think Logan will still turn pro at the end of the season. He’s graduating this December for one thing. For another, he’ll get with a QB expert in February and March to work out his mechanics. Pro scouts see the physical tools and know they can fix the other stuff. Probably no longer a top 10 pick, but that will work to Logan’s advantage. I look for him to go late second round to a playoff team with an established QB nearing the end of his career. This will give him 2 or 3 years to develop before he has to take over as the starter. @gtbowyer
Seriously, I see Logan Thomas not playing QB at all in the NFL. He will be a tight end or a wideout and he will be in multiple pro bowls. Logan is a stud of an athlete. His success in the NFL will be further proof that maybe its time to turn up the heat on Frank. In my eyes, there should have been a total overhaul of the offense immediately after loosing to Kansas in the Orange Bowl. There should have been no question that heads should have rolled after the Michigan loss in the Sugar Bowl last year. The AD at Virginia Tech has zero backbone. He is the problem! Heck, the Governor of the state lobbied to get Tech in, because of FOOTBALL, and this is how Weaver lives up to that by allowing his coach to live in a fantasy land!
It is starting to get annoying with all this talk of a “hurry up” offense. It is literally THE SLOWEST hurry up offense in the history of football. If they want some quick strikes and want to get the defense off balance, then they have got to hurry up for real! Go up to line quickly, make the call, run the play IMMEDIATELY. There is way too much communication between Logan and the sidelines to be a hurry up offense. Sometimes, even if their lined up a certain way, YOU RUN THE PLAY ANYWAYS, AND YOU RUN IT QUICKLY. The point is to say to the defense: We’re going to call plays very quickly and snap the ball very quickly. We don’t care if you predict the plays because the speed at which we will be running the plays will throw you for a loop no matter what you do. Then, when we score we will laugh at you as you are sucking oxygen on the sidelines. C’mon guys! Hurry that “hurry up” offense would ya!!!
You can always count on Frank Beamer & Stinespring to fail in understanding the newer offensive concepts. As in those of the last decade or two.
Stinespring would tell you that hurrying to get to the line of scrimmage prevents defensive substitutions. Of course, that ignores the 70% more important component – tiring out the defense from rapid play.
Face it, folks. Stinespring is little more than a HS football coach, who’s been paid about $300K annually for the last decade to carry out Frank Beamer’s wishes. Beamer would sooner fire Shane than get rid of Stinespring. Stinespring stays until Frank retires. If Frank has his way and anoints Shane as his replacement, look for Stinespring to stay even then. Shane’s not an ounce more innovative than his daddy, which means no more innovative than Jerry Claiborne of the 1960′s. Boxing glove on a stick, anyone? How’s that working on this crop of RBs? So much for coaching ability…
It will be a LONG time before we ever get rid of the stink that is Stinespring. Get used to it, the ride isn’t close to being done.
757 – Weaver is only interested in turning a profit. It might be that there was a collaboration along with Beamer to hire undesirable offensive coaches who could be kept for cheap because no one else would inquire about them and cause pressure for pay raises
Well said gentlmen! This year has been a bust. Although VT has some talent, it is not enough to overshadow the poor OL coaching as they have been able to do in the past. Obviously last years team could cover up the poor coaching, and do what they needed to do to win. NOT happening this year! If Frank can’t put on his big boy pants to lead and make the changes that need to be made( retire Ocain,fire Newsome and Stiney to name a few. Stiney you can coach little league where you belong) then he needs to retire and hand to reins to Bud who will take this team to the next level. Sorry Shane, you are a great recruter and you are improving in your job, but you are not yet ready for head coach. VT could be the best in the ACC and could maybe compete in the SEC, but until changes are made VT is going to continue to lose and watch good recruits go to Alabama, Clemson, Florida State and everywhere else. Heck UVa can get better recruits than we can!
It’s time to step up Frank.
so many good comments. i really was a frank fan and am still a bud fan but things are getting a bit stale and stiney just plain stinks. no excuses for him. i do expect stiney to pull out all the stops this thursday to try to prove his doubter(s) wrong. he may succeed (for a game) but over the course of a season, he has proven he cannot do it.