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This year’s Florida State team reminds Frank Beamer of some of Bobby Bowden’s best

Before every season recently, the most frequent question in the ACC was “Is Florida State back?” — referencing the school’s heyday under Bobby Bowden in the 1990s and early 2000s.

Virginia Tech coach Frank Beamer got a good glimpse of those teams — including one of Bowden’s best in the 2000 BCS title game — so he can offer some perspective about this year’s squad.

“This one reminds you a lot,” he said. “We were just talking about it in a staff meeting today, reminds you a lot of those teams. Very athletic, very tough, play physical, exceptional football team in every way.”

The Seminoles, who are 8-1 and ranked 6th and 8th in the national polls, enter Thursday’s game ranked No. 1 in the league in total offense (524.6 ypg), scoring offense (44.8 ppg), rushing defense (72.9 ypg), passing defense (154.2 ypg), total defense (227.1 ypg) and scoring defense (12.0 ppg). They’re second in rushing offense (234.6 ypg) and third in passing offense (290.0 ypg).

“This Florida State team is really, really impressive,” Beamer said. “Athletic and really physical on both sides of the ball. They’re running the ball extremely well, rushing for 235 yards. Offensive line is extremely good. One of the best we’ve seen in quite some time really. They’re good.

“And then defensively, I think they lead the nation in total defense. Putting a lot of pressure on you with a four-man rush, snug up with your receivers. They’re tight throws and tight catches. Just a really exceptional football team.”

Beamer’s teams always had trouble with Bowden’s. In fact, he lost seven straight to Bowden’s FSU teams, including the national championship game, before finally breaking through with a 40-21 win in Blacksburg in 2007.

The Hokies also won the 2010 ACC championship game in Charlotte against the ‘Noles, bringing Beamer’s record against Florida State to 2-8. If this FSU team at all resembles the great ones from the past, he knows the challenge ahead Thursday.

“They’re about as good as it gets in college football,” Beamer said.

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Here’s what else came out of Beamer’s teleconference today …

  • First, a programming note: the live chat will be Wednesday this week at its normal time of 12;30 p.m. We wanted to move it a little bit closer to the game.
  • Asked why he thinks Virginia Tech has fallen so far this year, Beamer offered up a few vague reasons. “We just haven’t played well enough,” he said. “We’ve played some good teams that have played well against us and we didn’t play well enough. That’s kind of the bottom line. Again, I think everybody in our operation here could have done something better to help our football team.”
  • FSU has one loss this year, a 17-16 upset at N.C. State that looks mind-boggling after the Wolfpack got run out of its own stadium by Virginia, a team previously winless in the ACC, by a 33-6 score last week. Beamer still thinks the ‘Noles controlled that game, though. “When you look at it, N.C. State had about 7 or 8 or 9 plays in that game and the rest of them was a struggle,” he said.
  • The running back split wasn’t quite what fans envisioned last week against Miami. After hearing that J.C. Coleman and Tony Gregory would get most of the work, it was surprising that Michael Holmes played as much as he did. Running backs coach Shane Beamer told Frank Beamer’s website that Coleman got 30 plays, Holmes 29 and Gregory 23. Part of that was to keep them all fresh, since Tech ran 82 plays. Part of it was the packages the Hokies used. Holmes’ got called more often than they anticipated. “We continue to evaluate that,” Frank said. “We’re trying to get it in packages right now and it just so happened that Holmes’ package was called down there. But we continue to look at that.”
  • Beamer met with Logan Thomas for a few minutes. His message to the quarterback? “I don’t want him to put too much of the load on himself,” he said. “I think the quarterback is always going to be a key point. I think sometimes he feels like he needs to make some plays and so forth, and I think it’s just one of those things where you’ve got to play your game. And he’s certainly playing good enough. I’ve really admired how he’s played. … He wants to win so badly and it hurts him when he doesn’t. And that’s the kind of guy you appreciate.”
  • Virginia Tech pursued EJ Manuel coming out of Bayside High in 2008, but the quarterback didn’t consider the Hokies much. They had landed Tyrod Taylor a year earlier, so playing time would have been hard to come by early on. Beamer went against Manuel in the 2010 ACC title game, when the quarterback threw for 288 yards and a touchdown but also had two picks in Tech’s 44-33 win. What’s different now? “I think just like anybody, experience is a wonderful thing,” Beamer said. “He’s been around, he’s played a lot, he certainly knows the offense and really is very good at executing the offense, very good at throwing. And then he’s always a threat to run. An athletic guy.”
  • ESPN has put a 6-day hold on several ACC games, meaning it won’t decide the game times and channels for the Nov. 17 slate of games until this Sunday at the latest. That includes Virginia Tech’s game at Boston College. These are the options for that game: it will be at noon, 12:30 p.m., 3 or 3:30 on ABC, ESPNU, ACC Network or RSN. So, basically any time except at night.

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  1. Rob Thommins | November 5, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    “We just haven’t played well enough,”

    Well, DUH!

  2. Hokielove | November 5, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    package, smackage, just have Coleman as the starting TB with Gregory/Scales backing him up. The offensive coaching staff’s line of thought is irrating beyond comprehension.

  3. Barry from Ivy | November 5, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    There Frank goes again with the old Bobby Bowden tactic: Talk about how good the team is that you are about to play just in case you pull the upset and then that makes your 4-5 team look great. Nice try Frank.

  4. Andy Bitter | November 5, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    No doubt that has something to do with the effusive praise from Beamer, but FSU is pretty legit this year, that one half against N.C. State notwithstanding.

  5. Bob H | November 5, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    This is the same Frank Beamer that espoused how good Munchie Legeaux was (benched last weekend) and how good Pittsburh is (Youngstown State 31-17). The offense scored 12 points on the worst defense in the league and pretty much the worst defense in the country.

    This is coach speak for “FSU is going to get after us and the game might get out of whack”.

  6. Ryan | November 5, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    And this Virginia Tech team reminds us of some of Bowden’s worst…..towards the end of his career.

  7. crooked road | November 5, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    So the reason Holmes played far more than indicated was because of the ‘package’ being designed for him? Umm, didn’t they consider that when they made the statement? And if Holmes was only in when the ‘package’ was called, it seems odd that he got such a number of rushes. The claim that Stinespring has supposedly designed such ‘packages’ that only one RB can perform in each is more than bizarre. It’s like Frank & company just make up BS answers and don’t expect us to consider the statements made.

    Sure, running JC Coleman up the middle is not optimal, nor Scales to the outside. Everybody knows that. Except Stinespring who does just such things, thus rendering the whole ‘Holmes was playing because of the package’ argument ridiculous. Holmes, Coleman, Gregory & Scales each only have one redeeming value as a back, their skill sets are THAT specific? You honestly think we should believe that, Frank?

    I’m sure it could NEVER have been that the coaches have wanted Holmes to be the featured back since they gave him the bulk of time in the spring. Only after seeing him not perform as well as expected, 75% of the way through the season, they’re still trying to get him going.

    I tell you this, whenever Frank does retire & then uses all his leverage to force Shane in as his replacement, if Shane runs the team the way he runs his RB corps? Wow! Talk about pitiful…

  8. crooked road | November 5, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    I don’t think Frank is playing the Lou Holtz/Bobby Bowden card. I think he realizes that F$U is really legit this year. Perhaps after watching the film on them, even more legit than he anticipated. I believe that’s sincere respect, not blowing smoke. I think Frank realizes he’s in an uphill battle on this one.

  9. crooked road | November 5, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    A good quiz for folks is to look at the numbers that Andy provided above for F$U’s offensive & defensive performance. Then try to estimate if they will go over/under on each stat in the game. If we had the same numbers for VaTech, we could do that for them, too.

    ‘The Seminoles, who are 8-1 and ranked 6th and 8th in the national polls, enter Thursday’s game ranked No. 1 in the league in total offense (524.6 ypg), scoring offense (44.8 ppg), rushing defense (72.9 ypg), passing defense (154.2 ypg), total defense (227.1 ypg) and scoring defense (12.0 ppg). They’re second in rushing offense (234.6 ypg) and third in passing offense (290.0 ypg).’

    For example, F$U allows 154 yards passing in a game, will Logan Thomas exceed that, or fall below? F$U allows 73 rushing yards per game, will our RBs & Logan (leading rusher) exceed that, or fall below?

    Then flip the numbers for VaTech & make your estimate. Pretty interesting to try…

  10. Mr. Potato Chip | November 5, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    I agree with Ryan comment and Crooked Road comment. I remember a few years ago when Bobby bowden was heading out the door at FSU his teams those last few years were like the VT teams of the past 3 years. The VT teams of the past 3 years excluding this one lost their post season games and the coaching staff Beamer and company made excuses like he did on the VT hokie sports show this past week. I would truly hope that Frank Beamer would focus on leaving a good legacy behind and building a good foundation for the future because people don’t last forever you must die or retired or get fired sooner or later, but you would think that this man would have the class to know when it time to go and as a regular person that has no ties to VT would like to see Beamer start focusing on team prep instead of gutter, beamer 25, or stop in commericals. Its sad that he has time to do commericals instead of working with his team to be better than shown this past year and if he can’t see that well may god help them all!

  11. JerseyHokie | November 5, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    This team should remind Beamer of Bowden’s teams the ones’ at the end of his coaching career along with Neylan, Fulmer, Paterno, Ferrence, anything resemble what is going on at Lane this year??? Clean house now before it really starts to stink and there will be a lot of empty seats in that spanking new south endzone

  12. Barry from Ivy | November 5, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Potato Chip is right on the money. The way for Frank to leave a legitimite legacy is to get out of Dodge after this season is over, otherwise it will be a cruel and embarrassing ending the longer it goes. Bring in Sean Payton, this would work well with a Bud Foster and Cody Journell types and the types of players that VT recruits.

  13. Jerry | November 5, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    “I don’t want him to put too much of the load on himself,” Frank Beamer

    That’s because they’re going to do that for him by running him 22 times

  14. Charles Gardner | November 5, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    70 – 0 ! I can’t bear to watch.

  15. Hokie in SC | November 5, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    How will the Hokies play Thursday night? They are playing for “pride”. Maybe playing to be the spoiler in an otherwise stellar FSU season. As many have said, the Hokies are now irrelevant. They are not used to playing for nothing. Will it affect their play? Will they relax and surprise the world with a great game? Or will their lack of relevance lead to a letdown? It is hard to image they can repeat a game as bad as Miami. They had countless miscues and seemed emotionally exhausted. Now that it is “over” we will see how it affects their play.

  16. crooked road | November 5, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Nice observation, Jerry. Frank, Stinespring, & O’Cain have definitely made it clear since about February that Logan was THE offense, and everybody else was just a cog in the machine. Add that to the self-induced pressure Logan has placed on himself along with his dislike of attention, and you’ve got an uncomfortable situation.

  17. scott whitaker | November 5, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Anyone here think that if VT loses to FSU (did I say “if”?) and UVa, there might be a chance, an outside chance, maybe 1 in 100, that perhaps, maybe Stinespring, along with O’Cain is reassigned, relieved of his duties whatever and a new OC is hired? Never mind, that is heresy, I know. They just need new schemes and need to execute better is all. All will return to normal next year…

    Seriously, as much as it would hurt, I could handle losing out, even to UVa if it resulted in significant changes. Beamer is not opposed to changes, except in his coaching staff.

  18. Tom L | November 5, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    The types of players Tech recruits Barry ? Among the highest graduation rate in Div. I football. We have off field problems but less that most teams. We don’t have players using on-line work of 4th grade students for their essays like UNC players(that was just one of their many academic problems). You make comments on what you think, not what you know. I know many Tech athletes and they are nothing like you profess. Try riding another horse, this one is lame.

  19. Desert Hokie | November 5, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    Seriously, Scott Whitaker, losing to UVA is acceptable? Really? Things are probably not as bad as many on this board think; but , probably worse than I think. There’s insight for you. But, wishing our team will lose out so that a change will happen? – hoping losing to UVA? – I’d rather have a root canal with novocain!

  20. Hokie in SC | November 5, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    There are a lot of people who want Tech to lose out for the season just to force a change. And that may work. Not sure. What I find interesting is what the coaching staff says in public. Public relations are delicate. You need to placate the press and public (for external consumption) while keeping your house in order (for internal consumption). The PR mantra from the coaches has been: (1) young team, (2) poor execution, and (3) if only I could have 3-5 plays back.

    Most of these comments have been directed towards the woeful offense. (Although special teams have also been really “special” lately.) And the same comments continue loss after loss, game after game. It has gotten old, and does not carry water any more. Yet continue it does. And fans correctly get frustrated at what now appears to be denial.

    Maybe there is more going on behind the scenes then we realize. Maybe the coaches are trapped. Maybe there is just a plain and simple lack of talent, lack of athleticism that is not going to change. When you recruit, you take a risk. When you slot a player for a position, you take a risk. This year, these risks have not worked. The coaches may simply be doing the best they can with what could be just be a more shallow talent pool than they realized. And there are numerous positions where this issue could be at work.

  21. Peppers Ferry | November 5, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    I overheard today from a freshman player said he “never sees BEAMER”. Beamer is never around where the players are. HAS BEAMER SEMI-RETIRED? That would surely explain a lot. I have never seen players/workers/soldiers that were motivated when the top-boss was only in and out. “If it ain’t important enough for the commander to be here, it ain’t important to me.” – Ft. Knox, KY 1973. ///
    FS v. VT ? Tech will play like a whipped dawg. Players just trying to get out of the way. Not get hurt. Why risk life or limb ??
    Tech players will act like a soldier in a defeated army just trying to not be the last soldier killed in a lost cause. It will be more painful than I can bear. Tell me when it is OVER ! !

  22. proof reader | November 5, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    It is what it is. FSU by a landslide. I hate to say it but Logan Thomas will do better if he stays in the locker room. If he does play he better have his sprinters spikes on. No Cam Newton impression of any type will help him Thursday night.

  23. 1971 Hokie | November 5, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Based on Beamer’s record against Top 10 ranked teams, our chances are not very good Thursday night. Beamer’s record is 7 wins / 30 losses. I put our chances at no better than 2.00% to win this game.

  24. crooked road | November 5, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Tom L, you might want to reconsider the sanctimonious attitude about how superior VT footballers are, considering that we had two players charged with felonies within the past twelve months. Sure, Frank’s hand picked attorney – Turk – pled it down to misdemeanors, because Frank & Jim Weaver don’t care how many misdemeanors you get, you can still start for Beamer.

    Hokie football players are no different than at any other school. Lots of schools across the nation have not had two players charged with felonies in the last twelve months. Lots of coaches have NEVER allowed a Marcus Vick type situation to fester until the University President had to force the issue to halt the humiliation to the University. I could go on, but surely you get the point.

  25. 1971 Hokie | November 5, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Not that it makes any difference, but mathmatically, my previous post should read 20%. Hit the wrong key.

  26. crooked road | November 5, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    I think the bigger question is what will the atmosphere be like in Lane on Thursday night? I’m pretty sure we can all agree that it will be unlike the Miami game atmospheres. Will the fan base be totally deflated? Or will the student body be drunk & rowdy? Drunk & frustrated? Or will it be as quiet as a game in The Library – aka Scott Stadium?

    Remember, even with a divisional title on the line last week for Miami, there looked like less than 10K fans in the stadium. I’m not saying Lane won’t be mostly full, I just wonder about the atmosphere. If F$U is up 21-3 midway through the 2nd quarter, will the fan base mentally/vocally check out?

  27. Desert Hokie | November 5, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    I wonder if those who want Tech to lose will be sitting in the stands cheering for FSU? Take some courage, that! It will take real courage to stand up and cheer for UVA at Lane; that is if you actually go to the game. Or, do you sit with Hoos wearing the UVA colors, since you’ve gone over to the Dark Side? I can understand, maybe not totally agree with, but understand the frustration. But, actually to root against these young men is selfish narcissism. You actually want thses young men to fail so that YOU can get a new coach? Shameful!

  28. scott whitaker | November 5, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    I side with Tom L. VT has the 5th highest grad rate in the ACC above teams such as UVa, GT and UNC. VT’s rate of 79% is higher than the D1 average of 70%. Since the days of MeAngelo Hall,Jimmy Williams, etc. I’ve noticed an overall improvement in the behavior of the team and the character of its players. Just my observation though I had heard a while back that a recruit’s character would become more of a concern in recruiting. Obviously it has been perfect but I do see a positive change there over the years.

  29. scott whitaker | November 5, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    #27 Desert, I would never cheer for VT to lose. I did say “as much as it would hurt”, losing those 2 games could be the catalyst for improvement. That’s all. I don’t want a new coach by the way. I firmly believe Frank has some good years left in him. And I don’t advocate canning Stinespring who has the rep of being a very good recruiter. Put him in as TE coach, make him Dir. of recruiting and go find someone who is a D1 caliber OC because VT clearly does not have one. It’s also my opinion Frank should relinquish his special teams coaching slot. Period.

  30. Coxster | November 5, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    I will be at the game and naturally I will be rooting for VT but I also have the Fire Beamer paperbag ready to put on my head I’m guessing by the 2nd quarter.

  31. proof reader | November 5, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Desert Hokie, make that appointment for the root canal. I am sure the doc will have all the Novocaine you need.

  32. proof reader | November 5, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Lets face it,the VT coaching staff is stale in their ideas and stale in their play book. Their play shows it. What is needed is an infusion of young blood into the staff. If Beamer had any senses he would see this. My guess is he looks past it and hopes for the win every week so he doesn’t have to make that crucial decision at the end of the year. Three cheers for blinders.

  33. Im in DC | November 5, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    “we haven’t played well enough…” wow, thanks for that nugget coach. ’cause I wasn’t sure what the problem was. At least now I know… You haven’t plyed well enough. Now that you have that diagnosed wanna take a stab at WHY?!?!?!

  34. Troy | November 5, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Beamer is a joke he will go to his grave making excuses, when he’s dead he will still make excuses

  35. Barry from Ivy | November 5, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    I stand corrected about the thug mentality of VT; Scott Whitaker is correct. The situation has vastly improved since the days of the Vicks, Hall and Williams. Journell, however, is not a plus for the current environment.

  36. Tom L | November 5, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Crooked Road, man what a big word, sanctimonious, you must be a liberal arts student from somewhere, not from Tech as you pretend. Probably from a law school, a profession you seem to detest.I’m not saying they are any worse or any better. All programs have athletes charged with felonies(including the service academies), even two/year. Of course it’s up to the courts to determine the final result. Tech’s recruits are a microcosm of society and as such, Tech has done a good job in their recruitment of athletes of good character and academic achievement. Every program has a Marcus Vick in their past.

  37. harvey hales | November 6, 2012 at 7:18 am

    Why play the game Thurs nite. It sounds as if we already have lost. Start using encouraging chatter for these young men on the field and maybe it will change. I have always been told if you want to become negative, hang around and listen to negative people. I am a HOKIE and certainly hope we can turn it around Thurs. And if not, we hold our heads high, maybe not satisfied, but live the Hokie tradition and wait to see what the off season brings. At which time, maybe some changes will be made.

    Harvey/Wilmington NC

  38. Barry from Ivy | November 6, 2012 at 7:31 am

    Move Logan Thomas to TE and put in a new QB. Beamer needs to make some hard decisions and earn that zillion dollars that he gets.

  39. scott whitaker | November 6, 2012 at 7:37 am

    #36 Well said.

  40. Frank | November 6, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Im in DC is right on the spot with WHY?!?!?!.
    Here is why,the entire football program is stale, boring, out of date,out of touch with the game today, and most importantly, has the wrong philosophy. That philosophy got us to where we are, but it will not take us to a higher level of achievement, which is something that we all desire.
    Without some changes this program is headed for more failure.

  41. John | November 6, 2012 at 8:46 am

    The coaching will never change until it is demanded from the top ADMINISTRATION, Beamer will never get rid of Stinespring. I think somebody needs to see if their is something funny going on between them!! I’m just saying.

  42. mike | November 6, 2012 at 8:51 am

    the program is not out of date and out of touch with the game today. And we were not complaining about beging like FSU when Taylor led the team to a good senior year afer the 0-2 start and the team over-achieved last year.

  43. 757 Resident | November 6, 2012 at 10:02 am

    I don’t recall Deangelo Hall, Jimmy Williams or Mike Vick getting into trouble while at Tech. And some clown is taking a stab at Coach Foster because he has a pair? LMAO. As a football player, there needs to be a certain level of fear and respect by a player towards the coach. The assistant coaches should have that fear too.

  44. Hokie Southside | November 6, 2012 at 10:41 am

    FRANK and Stiney…have Leal/QB ready and when VaTech goes 10 points down…BRING HIM IN

  45. crooked road | November 6, 2012 at 11:12 am

    MeAngelo & JWilliams were both widely known as locker room poison during their time at VT. MeLo still is to this day, as we saw a week ago, and of course JW has faded away, still without his custom ordered Lamborghini.

    Michael had a shadow to keep him out of trouble. Why Frank was so stupid as to not provide one for Marcus, I’ll never know. Maybe Brenden Ore was Marcus’ shadow, who knows? Frank was so far in the bag for Marcus that it’s hard to tell…

  46. Barry from Ivy | November 6, 2012 at 11:26 am

    The question now is how many beer bottles will be thrown on the field by the Hokie faithful on Thursday night? We just don’t do this stuff at Georgia Tech.

  47. Come On Man | November 6, 2012 at 11:38 am

    I’ve made the same comment about the use of 3 or 4 running backs before, and that was my main area of criticism for the coaching staff this year. I stated that giving one or two guys the majority of the carries until one of the two gets the hot hand, then ride that one to the finish line. I believe this can help the offensive continuity but it will in no way, shape, or form cause the offensive explosion we’ve been waiting for with the anemic offense.
    I’ve said it once, I’ll say it as many times as it takes to proove what I feel is the most valid point this season. Tech is a running team, always has been, always will be during Beamer’s watch. You can agree to disagree but without a solid running game at Virginia Tech, you’re going to see an offensive crisis because it’s what we do.
    This team is not loaded with big time offensive talent at any position other than at QB. Logan needs a supporting cast for his game to take flight because, 1. He can’t throw and catch his own passes, 2. He doesn’t have break away speed to leave defenders in the dust, and 3. Although at 6-6 260 pounds he still can’t handle the load of running the ball and taking hits so often during the game without it affecting his ability to pass. We need at least one if not two of our quad package of running backs to step up and take the lead. In my opinion Coleman has shown the most promise, along with Gregory. Scales has been inconsistent. Holmes looks a step slow, especially after he receives the hand off. He looks like a deer in head lights at times. I remember watching him in high school and thinking he was a pretty decent player and would pan out somewhere. However, I did not think for one minute that I would see him starting at Virginia Tech this early in his career. Here it is, not one of these tailbacks currently at Tech has shown the multiple dynamics that the running backs in the Beamer era previously. They are not from the same mold of running backs that we’re used to seeing at VT. I hope they find their way sooner than later.
    Ok, I get it. You guys want coaching changes and if we lose out, I would say it’s a 50-50 shot of that. I don’t agree with it because I’ve stated before, this is about alot more than just coaching. Which brings me to my next point. Losing to UVA would not only hit the panic button but would totally hurt even more on the recruiting side. No matter what, keeping our superiority over the Hoos is a must. I think that’s one thing we can all agree on.

  48. Jerry | November 6, 2012 at 11:54 am

    757 resident – That’s right they should. I wonder if Frank Beamer and some of the offensive coaches have lost that fear and respect from players?

  49. scott whitaker | November 6, 2012 at 11:59 am

    #46 Beer bottles? Are you crazy? You ever been to Lane? Never once have I’ve seen anything approaching that nonsense and I’ve easily been to 80 games there. Guess it hurts your grad rate and your team both stink…

  50. 540Hokie | November 6, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    All of the fair weather fans on this blog can do what they want but I’ll be there Thursday night rooting for the Hokies and staying to the final gun no matter the score. I’m supporting the team and you don’t do that by walking out on them or by putting bags over your heads.

  51. VTgto | November 6, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    OK. I’m no football expert by any means. I don’t like our offensive play calling, whomever is providing it…it doesn’t adapt to the skills of our current players, and it doesn’t adapt to the opponents. I don’t think it has declined, but it appears too predictable, and with repetition, opponents have learned how to defend it. College football is not static, but our offensive play calling is. With all its faults though, the team has still had the talent/execution/discipline/attitude/fire/leadership/coaching/play calling to achieve 8 10-win seasons and a bowl appearance every year since 1992, and THAT is quite an accomplishment in ANY conference…if it wasn’t, how come it isn’t more common?
    That being said, I think CFB’s description is accurate…the team is simply not executing consistently. What bothers me is WHY that is occurring ACROSS THE BOARD and not improving! Yes, we have some new coaches and systems in the ACC to adapt to. We have a lot of youth, and inexperienced players are going to make more mistakes, but I have a hard time believing that recruits have declined so badly that they can’t be taught/inspired to perform consistently at a high level. How can it not point back to the coaching? Something has changed, and it seems to be ACROSS THE BOARD, as reflected by players performances. Have our coaches aged to where they don’t relate the players well anymore? Is Bud tired of carrying the load? Has the fire has gone out in our leadership, and needs to be restarted somehow? I wish I had the answers to give…it’s so heartbreaking to watch it play out. If changes aren’t made, I fear this is more than a one year aberration, the down times are just starting. I’d love to be wrong! I for one, am willing to gamble on a new OC and his choice of supporting staff.

  52. Barry from Ivy | November 6, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    #49. The difference now is that your team has not been in this position in a long, long time. They are used to winning, even against the cupcakes. Lots of frustration boiling up in this Hokie Nation. You people expect to go to a National Championship game every year with 2A talent so losing more games than you win is just not the norm. I will be very surprised if this crowd remains ruly if FSU takes you to the woodshed. If Stiney starts calling those usual, dumb plays the Hokie Nation will revolt. Could it be possible yet that the Yellow Jackets could win this thing? I believe it is possible.

  53. FIZ | November 6, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    I saw Stinspring at the concession stand getting a hot dog in the third quarter of the Miami game. He couldn’t decide on relish or onions. He had a slip of paper that said “Beamer- Hot Pretzel.” I don’t know if that was for Frank or Shane. I couldn’t tell if they were eating it on the sideline but later Frank looked like he had a little mustard stain on his shirt. I asked Stinespring if O’Cain was calling the plays and he said, “No, he’s in the bathroom. One of Herma’s readers who read the most books in September won and get’s to call the plays in the 3rd quarter.”

  54. Forever Hokie | November 6, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    I have been going to VT football games since 1965. I have never seen anything thrown on the field except oranges when we were going to the Orange Bowl. Fans from other schools write letters complimenting the sportsmanship and frindliness of our fans. Some of you are a new breed that VT doesn’t need or want – objects thrown on the field, paperbags on your head, etc. Please continue to spew your venom on the internet and leave the stadium seats for true fans.
    For many, many years the defense won the games and the defense and the offense did not complain. A win is a win. I would rather have a defensive win than those 62 to 52 blowout yawners out west. Defense wins championships. Real football is not a video game.
    We are having a bad and disappointing year and it happens to the best of teams. I will be there on Thursday and cheering as loudly as I can and I will continue to send my money to the Hokie Club. True fans never let the team down. We all need to do our part.
    The coaches and players are all working hard. Do you really think they do not want to win and look good doing it.I am not rubber stamping the plays that are called. I don’t understand why certain plays are called repeatedly and don’t work but the coaches know more than I do. They are working 10 and 12 hour days to try and fix it. Coach Beamer is on that field everyday no matter what some “freshman” says.

  55. Zman | November 6, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    I see Stewart Mendel has us going to the Music City Bowl against Tenn. IF we are Bowl eligible I suppose.

    I hope we beat FSU but am not holding my breath.

    I will be cheering for Tech no matter.

  56. 540Hokie | November 6, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Forever Hokie, I’m with you.

  57. doog | November 6, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    amazing you morons just don’t get it. this football team is terrible. they are not going to get better under this coaching staff. recruiting is heading south because of this situation. we lived this in the 70s and early 80s under sharpe and dooley. the dynasty is over…….for now..until they hire new coaches on offense and special teams.

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