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		<title>By: crooked road</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/andybittervirginiatechfootball/2012/11/14/espns-mel-kiper-jr-says-despite-down-year-qb-logan-thomas-still-in-nfl-drafts-first-round-discussion/#comment-22310</link>
		<dc:creator>crooked road</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Logan&#039;s a solid young guy. I think he wrestles continually with the mantle of leadership he&#039;s been assigned, but he is solid. He&#039;s unlike Cam Newton in that respect, as referenced by Trevor above. Newton loves the limelight &amp; leadership role, but is of dubious character. Logan Thomas is the opposite. He&#039;s of solid character, but dislikes the limelight &amp; leadership responsibilities. I think a few years as a reserve NFL QB will be beneficial for him. Financially, at the very least. The sooner he departs, the better for him. I wish him well, as I know that he will not improve his NFL prospects in the slightest by staying at Tech.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logan&#8217;s a solid young guy. I think he wrestles continually with the mantle of leadership he&#8217;s been assigned, but he is solid. He&#8217;s unlike Cam Newton in that respect, as referenced by Trevor above. Newton loves the limelight &amp; leadership role, but is of dubious character. Logan Thomas is the opposite. He&#8217;s of solid character, but dislikes the limelight &amp; leadership responsibilities. I think a few years as a reserve NFL QB will be beneficial for him. Financially, at the very least. The sooner he departs, the better for him. I wish him well, as I know that he will not improve his NFL prospects in the slightest by staying at Tech.</p>
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		<title>By: Palmetto State Hokie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/andybittervirginiatechfootball/2012/11/14/espns-mel-kiper-jr-says-despite-down-year-qb-logan-thomas-still-in-nfl-drafts-first-round-discussion/#comment-22262</link>
		<dc:creator>Palmetto State Hokie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Been saying for weeks he is gone, despite his &quot;plans&quot; to return. And don&#039;t blame him a bit, he should go while the getting is good. Or at least not as bad as it will get next year with a worse O line and the Stinester calling the shots. Not to mention brand new wideouts and the Roll damn Tide to open the season?

Thanks for everything Logan but take the money and run!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been saying for weeks he is gone, despite his &#8220;plans&#8221; to return. And don&#8217;t blame him a bit, he should go while the getting is good. Or at least not as bad as it will get next year with a worse O line and the Stinester calling the shots. Not to mention brand new wideouts and the Roll damn Tide to open the season?</p>
<p>Thanks for everything Logan but take the money and run!</p>
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		<title>By: Pa Hokie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/andybittervirginiatechfootball/2012/11/14/espns-mel-kiper-jr-says-despite-down-year-qb-logan-thomas-still-in-nfl-drafts-first-round-discussion/#comment-22257</link>
		<dc:creator>Pa Hokie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Logan should take the money and run, if he has a chance to get off the sinking VT ship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logan should take the money and run, if he has a chance to get off the sinking VT ship.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/andybittervirginiatechfootball/2012/11/14/espns-mel-kiper-jr-says-despite-down-year-qb-logan-thomas-still-in-nfl-drafts-first-round-discussion/#comment-22254</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leonard, I&#039;m a Carolina Panthers&#039; fan and I can tell you that Cam is becoming more and more overrated every week.  He is not a team leader.  He is a whiner.  His decision making is poor at best.  It doesn&#039;t help that his offensive line couldn&#039;t run block for an ambulance!  His scrambling ability is exposing him to more harm than good (see RG3 getting clocked) and in the last game, he got so beat up that Pat Forde tweeted, &quot;Even Michael Vick feel sorry for him.&quot;

No, I think Logan is probably going to be similar in the Josh Freeman-Aaron Rodgers-Big Ben type of quarterback.  They don&#039;t scramble unless they absolutely have to.  One reason why Pittsburgh switched from a spread offense to a ground oriented attack is to keep the defenders off Big Ben.  Aaron Rodgers don&#039;t make a lot of runs unless he is trying to extend drives or to find an open receiver.  Josh Freeman moves in the pocket very well because of his offense line gives him plenty of protection.  Alex Smith runs a lot, but I think he has settled more into a pocket passer.

Logan is NOT Cam Newton.  Logan doesn&#039;t have the same shifty and acrobatic ability that Cam possess.  Logan is more like Big Ben, big bodied, can truck somebody, but prefers to stay in the pocket if he can.

Another thing - Logan has a far more level head on his shoulder than Cam.  Remember the controversy about his father shopping Cam around the SEC?  Have you heard anything like that about Logan?  No.  Logan might not like that the fans are second- and triple-guessing his decision making, but he knows it comes with the territory of being a quarterback, being the face of the program.

That said, I think that Logan is more of a late to middle second round draft pick.  I think somebody said this year the quaterback class is poor than it was in previous year.  Last year, it was the Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III hype, this year, it&#039;s pretty much meh.

I think what has hurt Logan Thomas this year is the change in offense strategy over the last four years.  Tech has switched from a ground and pound offense under Tyrod to a mess of spread/pistol/veer/power running smorgasbord of offense that has absolutely no identity.

Anybody here think next season is going to be any better?  I&#039;ll save you the suspense. NO!

Unless Frank Beamer sees the fat hand writing on the wall that says, &quot;CHANGE YOUR OFFENSE STAFF OR SUFFER THE WRATH!&quot; and make the changes that fans are dying to see.

Logan deserves better.  He should go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leonard, I&#8217;m a Carolina Panthers&#8217; fan and I can tell you that Cam is becoming more and more overrated every week.  He is not a team leader.  He is a whiner.  His decision making is poor at best.  It doesn&#8217;t help that his offensive line couldn&#8217;t run block for an ambulance!  His scrambling ability is exposing him to more harm than good (see RG3 getting clocked) and in the last game, he got so beat up that Pat Forde tweeted, &#8220;Even Michael Vick feel sorry for him.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, I think Logan is probably going to be similar in the Josh Freeman-Aaron Rodgers-Big Ben type of quarterback.  They don&#8217;t scramble unless they absolutely have to.  One reason why Pittsburgh switched from a spread offense to a ground oriented attack is to keep the defenders off Big Ben.  Aaron Rodgers don&#8217;t make a lot of runs unless he is trying to extend drives or to find an open receiver.  Josh Freeman moves in the pocket very well because of his offense line gives him plenty of protection.  Alex Smith runs a lot, but I think he has settled more into a pocket passer.</p>
<p>Logan is NOT Cam Newton.  Logan doesn&#8217;t have the same shifty and acrobatic ability that Cam possess.  Logan is more like Big Ben, big bodied, can truck somebody, but prefers to stay in the pocket if he can.</p>
<p>Another thing &#8211; Logan has a far more level head on his shoulder than Cam.  Remember the controversy about his father shopping Cam around the SEC?  Have you heard anything like that about Logan?  No.  Logan might not like that the fans are second- and triple-guessing his decision making, but he knows it comes with the territory of being a quarterback, being the face of the program.</p>
<p>That said, I think that Logan is more of a late to middle second round draft pick.  I think somebody said this year the quaterback class is poor than it was in previous year.  Last year, it was the Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III hype, this year, it&#8217;s pretty much meh.</p>
<p>I think what has hurt Logan Thomas this year is the change in offense strategy over the last four years.  Tech has switched from a ground and pound offense under Tyrod to a mess of spread/pistol/veer/power running smorgasbord of offense that has absolutely no identity.</p>
<p>Anybody here think next season is going to be any better?  I&#8217;ll save you the suspense. NO!</p>
<p>Unless Frank Beamer sees the fat hand writing on the wall that says, &#8220;CHANGE YOUR OFFENSE STAFF OR SUFFER THE WRATH!&#8221; and make the changes that fans are dying to see.</p>
<p>Logan deserves better.  He should go.</p>
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		<title>By: crooked road</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/andybittervirginiatechfootball/2012/11/14/espns-mel-kiper-jr-says-despite-down-year-qb-logan-thomas-still-in-nfl-drafts-first-round-discussion/#comment-22241</link>
		<dc:creator>crooked road</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trevor, you&#039;re on the money with your assessment of the best probable path for Logan Thomas. If he were able to be drafted and spend 2-3 years earning behind today&#039;s starter, then he could stick in the league for a while. He&#039;s not going to be a star, but he could stick in the league. The HUGE focus for him, though is to get into the league and then learn. He&#039;s going to learn absolutely zip from his college coaches. The apologists will never admit it, but reality is pretty clear. Logan&#039;s not going to learn a thing by staying. Look at this season. He began the year using poor mechanics. Eleven weeks later, he&#039;s still using the same bad mechanics. His coaches haven&#039;t corrected any of his negatives from the first week. He is a 4th year junior. After four seasons of work, his coaches haven&#039;t gotten him past his current negatives (which we don&#039;t need to list here). How will his staying on campus change that? We all know it won&#039;t. Sure, the pollyannas will say otherwise. But, reality says the opposite.

I wish him the best, and thank him for his time at VT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor, you&#8217;re on the money with your assessment of the best probable path for Logan Thomas. If he were able to be drafted and spend 2-3 years earning behind today&#8217;s starter, then he could stick in the league for a while. He&#8217;s not going to be a star, but he could stick in the league. The HUGE focus for him, though is to get into the league and then learn. He&#8217;s going to learn absolutely zip from his college coaches. The apologists will never admit it, but reality is pretty clear. Logan&#8217;s not going to learn a thing by staying. Look at this season. He began the year using poor mechanics. Eleven weeks later, he&#8217;s still using the same bad mechanics. His coaches haven&#8217;t corrected any of his negatives from the first week. He is a 4th year junior. After four seasons of work, his coaches haven&#8217;t gotten him past his current negatives (which we don&#8217;t need to list here). How will his staying on campus change that? We all know it won&#8217;t. Sure, the pollyannas will say otherwise. But, reality says the opposite.</p>
<p>I wish him the best, and thank him for his time at VT.</p>
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		<title>By: 1971 Hokie</title>
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		<dc:creator>1971 Hokie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If LT can get drafted in late first round or early second round, he should run to the NFL as quick as he can.  Staying at Tech for another year is not going to help him.  Good chance that he could have an even worse year next year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If LT can get drafted in late first round or early second round, he should run to the NFL as quick as he can.  Staying at Tech for another year is not going to help him.  Good chance that he could have an even worse year next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/andybittervirginiatechfootball/2012/11/14/espns-mel-kiper-jr-says-despite-down-year-qb-logan-thomas-still-in-nfl-drafts-first-round-discussion/#comment-22235</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not Mel Kiper, and I don&#039;t work for ESPN, but I don&#039;t see LT being taken in the first round. This whole Cam Newton thing comes to mind. If I&#039;m a general manager and my scout tells me that Logan could be the next Cam Newton, my reply would be...Do we really want the next Cam Newton? Cam hasn&#039;t exactly been leading Carolina to the promised land this year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not Mel Kiper, and I don&#8217;t work for ESPN, but I don&#8217;t see LT being taken in the first round. This whole Cam Newton thing comes to mind. If I&#8217;m a general manager and my scout tells me that Logan could be the next Cam Newton, my reply would be&#8230;Do we really want the next Cam Newton? Cam hasn&#8217;t exactly been leading Carolina to the promised land this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/andybittervirginiatechfootball/2012/11/14/espns-mel-kiper-jr-says-despite-down-year-qb-logan-thomas-still-in-nfl-drafts-first-round-discussion/#comment-22234</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, I think Logan should go.  With new sets of receivers, offense line, and more running backs set to arrive, I don&#039;t see how it will help Logan.  I think he should go.  He ought to be sitting behind a well established starter, and learn the rope, work with the top quarterback coach in the business to be good.

I can see Logan backing up someone like Big Ben, Josh Freeman, or even Alex Smith.  Logan in a Harbaugh system?  Awesome.  Logan in a Pittsburgh offense if Big Ben decide to  hang up his cleats? Awesome.

The point is, I think if Logan was to become a back-up, he would be really, really good down the road.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think Logan should go.  With new sets of receivers, offense line, and more running backs set to arrive, I don&#8217;t see how it will help Logan.  I think he should go.  He ought to be sitting behind a well established starter, and learn the rope, work with the top quarterback coach in the business to be good.</p>
<p>I can see Logan backing up someone like Big Ben, Josh Freeman, or even Alex Smith.  Logan in a Harbaugh system?  Awesome.  Logan in a Pittsburgh offense if Big Ben decide to  hang up his cleats? Awesome.</p>
<p>The point is, I think if Logan was to become a back-up, he would be really, really good down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: crooked road</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/andybittervirginiatechfootball/2012/11/14/espns-mel-kiper-jr-says-despite-down-year-qb-logan-thomas-still-in-nfl-drafts-first-round-discussion/#comment-22213</link>
		<dc:creator>crooked road</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oTony said it well. As I tried to pointedly state - can ANYONE honestly say that Stinespring &amp; O&#039;Cain can better prep Logan Thomas to start in the NFL than any QB coach in the NFL, even the WORST QB coach in the NFL?

Take off the O&amp;M glasses for a moment, and think about it rationally, if possible. O&#039;Cain &amp; Stinespring are widely regarded by neutral observers as mediocre college coaches at best. So, they&#039;re supposed to better prep Logan Thomas than any NFL coach? Seriously?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oTony said it well. As I tried to pointedly state &#8211; can ANYONE honestly say that Stinespring &amp; O&#8217;Cain can better prep Logan Thomas to start in the NFL than any QB coach in the NFL, even the WORST QB coach in the NFL?</p>
<p>Take off the O&amp;M glasses for a moment, and think about it rationally, if possible. O&#8217;Cain &amp; Stinespring are widely regarded by neutral observers as mediocre college coaches at best. So, they&#8217;re supposed to better prep Logan Thomas than any NFL coach? Seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: dwoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[are we really mentioning logan thomas in the same breath at matt barkley and landry jones...please tell me this article is in the funny papers.  mel kiper just lost major cred in my book]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are we really mentioning logan thomas in the same breath at matt barkley and landry jones&#8230;please tell me this article is in the funny papers.  mel kiper just lost major cred in my book</p>
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