Mailbag: Emerging running backs, likely d-line starters and a quarterback prototype
I promised a mailbag earlier in the week, and here it is. Plenty of questions this time around, so I’ll split it into two parts, with Part II coming tomorrow probably. To the questions …
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1. Will a solid running back emerge out of our giant talent pool, and if so, who? It may not be fair, but Shane’s position did not perform very well in his first year having to develop the raw talent. Billy Hite had numerous seasons with freshman running backs and O-lines that were sub-par, but he was still able to produce in the run game.
2. Just for fun, *IF* we beat Bama, where (if at all) will VT be ranked the following week and how do you see the rest of the season unfolding? It’s only one game in and we are coming off our worst season in years. VT vs. GT last year was supposed to be the birth of an amazing season if we won. Well we did, and look where that got us. – Cliff Grunstra, Roanoke
I think the best bets from the running back pool are J.C. Coleman, Michael Holmes and Trey Edmunds, not necessarily in that order. Holmes was supposed to be the guy last year, but he never really seized the opportunity. Still, there was a reason he was the No. 1 guy last spring. Coleman was the team’s leading rusher of the backs last year with 492 yards, although his size will always make people question if he can be an every-down back. That’s why I’m intrigued by Edmunds. Frank Beamer threw out a Kevin Jones comparison last fall. He doesn’t do that lightly. Still, the Hokies thought he wasn’t quite ready to contribute immediately as a true freshman. I’d imagine he’d get an extensive look this spring. At 6-foot-1, 212 pounds (and possibly bigger than that, since that was his size last year), he seems like he’d be the size-speed back that Tech would prefer and one who could be the physical runner the Hokies are looking for. Carries are certainly open to whoever can seize the opportunity.
As for Shane Beamer, I’m not sure how much of last year’s woes you can rest at his feet. Of the guys who played last year, none were considered sure-thing backs (certainly not as talented as Jones, Ryan Williams or Darren Evans). And while o-lines in the past haven’t been great, they have at least been adequate in run blocking. That was the Hokies’ biggest problem last year, was inconsistent run blocking, something foreign in Blacksburg and probably a big reason Curt Newsome was shown the door. When there are no holes, even great backs struggle.
If Virginia Tech beats Alabama — and it’s a big if, since I can easily see the Hokies being at least two-touchdown underdogs — it’d be ranked, but it’s not like it would shoot into the top 10. Early-season shakeups in the polls are rare. Most voters are glacially slow to either move teams up or down, usually requiring a team to lose to truly earn a drop in the polls, and even then it doesn’t guarantee a far drop. You’re right about opening day wins, though — they only last so long. Lose the next week and it doesn’t matter. Why do you think coaches worry about letdown games so much?
What is the real story with his admission? Is it grades or did Fork Union or VT drop the ball and is he still committed to VT? – David Darden, Suffolk
It’s not a Virginia Tech thing. And it’s not a Fork Union thing. It’s a high school transcript thing, from what I’ve been told. And it’s really anybody’s guess at this point whether it gets cleared up for him to enroll in Blacksburg in the spring. I’ve spoken with Drew’s dad, and he expressed some frustration, but he didn’t want to get into the specifics, since the NCAA Clearinghouse — or as former Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville sarcastically referred to it, the Slaughterhouse — is the ultimate arbiter when it comes to qualifying issues. Harris and Tech are really at the Clearinghouse’s mercy at this point. He’s still committed, but it’s unclear when or if he’ll be able to enroll.
Could you take a look at the defensive line depth chart and tell us which young guys have a change of getting playtime? Gayle, Maddy, Hopkins, Marshall/ Collins will start. Who follows them on 2 deep and who get left off the rotation or special teams only? – Eric Johnson, Charlotte, N.C.
I wouldn’t be so quick to rule out Dadi Nicolas as a potential starter. He had his legal ordeal last summer and missed all of camp. Tech didn’t expect much out of him last year (d-line coach Charley Wiles said it was probably like they were talking in Chinese to him during meetings), but Nicolas was surprisingly productive as his playing time increased down the stretch. He had a sack against Florida State and made an incredibly athletic play in the bowl game, chasing down a Rutgers receiver after he broke free for a long gain on a short reception. That kind of effort earns you big points with Wiles. And it’s not like the end spot opposite Gayle was overly productive last year. Collins and Marshall were expected to be the two big contributors, but by the end of the year, it was Nicolas and Tyrel Wilson who had made the most plays, even though they were technically behind Gayle at the stud end spot to start the season.
It gives the Hokies some options. Gayle, Wilson and Nicolas are ends, Hopkins, Maddy and Kris Harley are tackles and Marshall and Collins can play inside and out. It’s a tough group to crack, although Matt Roth and Justin Taylor could compete to get on the two-deep somewhere. I’m also curious t see what Ken Ekanem can do after a redshirt year. He was pretty highly rated coming out of high school. All of this is just speculation, though. There’s plenty of reps to be earned this spring, and no coach on the team runs his group as a meritocracy as much as Wiles.
I am fairly new to paying attention to recruiting. I have read that this is one of the best years for Virginia, talent wise. How is VT doing in your opinion? Can you give some kind of breakdown on some players that are/maybe leaning toward VT? For example, Da’Shawn Hand, Andrew Brown, Steven Moss, Jamil Kamara, CJ Reavis, Derrick Nnadi, Jalyn Holmes, Ricky Walker, David Cornwell, Jacob Park, and Donte Thomas-William? And if I’ve missed some players who are leaning toward VT. Also, as a follow up, would the commitment of a certain player influence, in your opinion, other players? — Chris Paunov, Blacksburg
Certainly, this is one of the better years in terms of pure talent Virginia has ever seen. Of the players you mentioned, Hand, Brown, Nnadi, Holmes and Moss are ranked in the Rivals 100. Even getting two of them would be a huge boost to the 2014 class. It’s always hard to say where any team stands with recruits throughout the process. Hand, for instance, has said Bud Foster is his favorite recruiter, but he still has a trip to Michigan planned in the near future. I hate to venture a guess as to which way these guys are leaning because it would be simply that — a guess. Quite honestly, I don’t really pay much attention to recruiting until a player commits. Even then, nothing is official until signing day and most players don’t contribute to a football program until their second or third year on campus. It’s easy to see why this is a niche thing that sites like Rivals and Scout and 247Sports have latched onto.
As for commitments influencing other players, I think this is one of the more overstated parts of recruiting. There’s only so much a friend of a player or a high school teammate can do to convince someone to go to the same place. Remember when Kendall Fuller’s high school teammate, Dorian O’Daniel, committed to Clemson last year? Plenty of people thought that gave Clemson the clear advantage on Fuller. Plenty of people were wrong. I can see certain situations where a player might influence his friend to go somewhere, but these instances of an early recruit being the Pied Piper that led a bunch of top-flight recruits to go somewhere, I think, is overblown. Recruits pick a place that is best for them and their family, somewhere they individually feel comfortable. It’s a much more personal decision than a lot of people figure.
I know it varies but could you give me an example of a football player’s class schedule during the season? Do they take a full load? I thought it was odd when Logan went to San Diego but I know he should have been ahead on his class schedule given his redshirt. Hey, yeah explain the educational benefit of redshirting. — Chris Cox, Philpott Lake.
The NCAA requires student-athletes to complete at least six credit hours per semester and at least 24 per academic year, only six of which came come during a summer session. Here’s a link with a little more information on that. Now, I’m not sure exactly how that breaks down during the season. I’m sure some guys might take it a little easier because of the time commitment to football, but it varies. As for Logan Thomas, he went to San Diego for only a few days, and it was during Virginia Tech’s spring break, so it’s not like he skipped class to do so. Redshirting is obviously a big boost to the educational outlook of a lot of guys. I think that’s one reason it’s so common for freshmen, since adjusting to the college academic life is sometimes difficult.
After reading your blog about the installation of the new scoreboard at Lane Stadium I was wondering if there are any plans to ever expand the north end of the stadium. It seems that with as many sellouts that we’ve had over the years that our fans could fill the added capacity. – Cameron, Charlotte, N.C.
Right now, I’d say that’s a low priority. I think Tech’s ticket sales are probably about right for the current size of the stadium. I know there’s a “sellout” streak, but plenty of those games had open seats in the corners. I don’t know if there’s that much demand for more general seating past the capacity of 66,000 or so right now. Plus, the real reason to expand would be to add more luxury boxes. Those are the true revenue generators in an athletic program. And I don’t know if there’s a true demand for that right now. Anyway, the next big building project is the indoor practice facility, whenever the university decides a location to build it. With a new site and costs attached to that you’re looking at probably $25 million to build that, which is a priority in keeping in the college football arms race.
What are the odds Kendall Fuller will end up in the starting lineup now that Cole is gone and Exum is hurt as of now? If not will he redshirt or be a backup and special teams contributor? – Benjamin Kotchish, Lexington, Ky.
I think there’s a good shot the younger Fuller will have a substantial role as a true freshman, but I wouldn’t concede to him the starting spot quite yet. For starters, nobody will really know when Exum will be ready until the season gets closer. For all we know, he could be back for the opener (I’d say that’s probably unlikely, but it’s still within the rehab timetable). Second, Fuller won’t arrive on campus until the beginning of August, with less than a month to get acclimated to college football before the opener against Alabama. Fuller is undoubtedly a premier talent, but even the most talented guys sometimes have trouble transitioning smoothly to college. That’s an unknown at this point. Tech has two guys — Donaldven Manning and Donovan Riley — who have been in the program for a year (over a year for Manning) who will be getting most of the reps in Exum’s place in the spring. That’s quite a head start on an incoming freshman. So while I acknowledge Kendall probably will have a role early (in the nickel at the very least), I don’t know if that means he’ll have a starting spot immediately.
All things considered (last year’s record, returning players, new coaches, recruiting classes, schedule, etc.), what are reasonable expectations for our team? 8-9 wins? More? Less? — Ben Rosenthal
With the coaching changes and a schedule that most are not happy with (GT on 5 days rest and @ BC + MIA in back-to-back weeks), in your opinion, what is a realistic W-L goal for this season? – Stephen Smith
I think eight to nine wins is certainly within reach, and given the conference opponents that Tech misses (Florida State, Clemson), there’s a chance to get back to the 10-win mark, provided the offensive transition is smooth. Obviously, there’s an incredibly small margin of error for that second part, since even the most ardent Hokies fan would concede that Tech’s chances against two-time defending national champion Alabama are slim. But like I said, the Hokies avoid what are expected to be the league’s top two teams. Games against Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Pittsburgh and Miami are certainly not gimmes (and I’d imagine the Hokies would be underdogs heading to Georgia Tech and Miami), but they’re certainly all winnable too.
The defense, if it can continue on the path it had at the end of last season, could be very good. (I’ll refrain from any “best ever” statements after last year, especially knowing that the secondary will have a major question mark with Exum’s injury.) The big key is how these new coaches operate. If Scot Loeffler can tap into Thomas’ potential, that’d be a huge step in the right direction. If Jeff Grimes can instill that physical mentality into the offensive line — and that group can stay healthy, unlike last year — that’d be a huge step too. And if Tech is true about wanting to get back to its physical roots, and has a running back capable of carrying the load, that would go a long way in helping out. As you can see, that’s a lot of variables. If I had to guess, I’d say 8-4 would be a reasonable regular season prediction. That’s a two-game improvement, which is significant. But I think the potential is there for more.
Now that the offense is finally headed back to equilibrium, (run to set-up the pass) will Va Tech, from a recruiting aspect, focus more on pocket-types, mobile, or hybrid types of q-backs in the future? – Matthew D. Green, Princeton, W.Va.
I think any team would prefer some type of hybrid quarterback. Obviously, having a QB that can run and throw is preferable to one that can only do one or the other. I think Loeffler’s history might factor into it more. He’s had mostly pocket passer quarterbacks, although that’s largely a function of the type of offense that Michigan ran (remember, he inherited Tim Tebow at Florida, and he was a pretty darn mobile quarterback). The best indicator might be the guys Loeffler and Tech are targeting in the future. A pair of 2014 recruits, Jacob Park from Goose Creek, S.C., and David Cornwell of Norman, Okla., are both labeled pro-style quarterbacks. I don’t know if that’s a conscious choice by Loeffler or not.
Here’s what Loeffler said at his introductory presser about what kind of QB he’s looking for: “We’re looking for obviously a smart, tough football player. And time you find smart and tough, it doesn’t matter if a he’s a great runner, a great passer, you’ve got a chance. We’re going to tailor the offense to a guy who’s smart and tough. Obviously if you can find the 6-foot-5, 245-pound guy that runs 4.4 that can throw it all over the yard, we’re going to try to find that guy. Is that hard to find? Absolutely. But at the end of the day, every quarterback that’s out there has some deficiency. They all do. But any time you’re smart and tough, you’re able to overcome some of your physical deficiencies. And all of them are different. But the common theme is if we find a guy that’s smart, tough and loves the game, a great leader with talent, you’ve got a chance.”
Judging from that, mental makeup appears to be a lot more important to Loeffler than physical.



I have to wonder if Trey Edmunds is the favorite at RB just because we’ve seen that the others guys are obviously NOT the answer. Maybe Edmunds is indeed another Kevin Jones, but I have to think he’d have been used last season if he were all that. That’s not to say he won’t be quite good, just to say he won’t be quite THAT (Kevin Jones/Lee Suggs/Ryan Williams/David Wilson) good.
I don’t think the folks clamoring in their SEC-envy for Lane Stadium expansions have a real grasp on just how tenuous our hold on the ‘sold out streak’ actually is, and what semantic hoops the VTAD has to jump through to prolong that ‘streak’. Actual attendance and the number of tickets purchased are quite different. Also, the ‘sale’ of luxury suites to various academic departments for a single weekend don’t necessarily mean that there is a clamor for those boxes to be filled.
As Andy rightly said, we have about the right number of seats available for our fan base. SEC envy doesn’t equate to prudent spending on expansions of Lane. Just because Texas A&M is going to 100K seating doesn’t mean we should go to 75K seating. We’re good right where we are.
Can we stop making excuses in advance about the GaTech game? Yikes, folks make it sound like they’re tougher to defeat than Alabammer. For those who make a point of ignoring facts, GaTech ALSO has another game five days before playing us. So, neither team is done a disservice in scheduling. Let’s not try to explain why we (might) lose to GaTech before the game is even played. That’s as lame as pretending it’s hard to beat JMU on five days rest. GaTech & VaTech both have the same time to prep. Haven’t we beaten them several games in a row? I don’t want to look it up, but it seems like we obsess about them, then we always beat them. Can we move beyond that?
Great report as always, Andy. I also thought my fellow hokies had good questions. Good meat in the questions and answers. I am really looking forward to the spring game, ( no thunderstorms please), and the build up to a very successful season. GO HOKIES!
Disagree that Holmes is a front runner for this year. I really think too much fault was laid at the feet of the offensive line for lack of run yardage. Holmes was slow and really struggled to break a tackle. For that matter all of our backs crumbled like a house of cards at the first sign of a tackle. Sure the Oline bears significant responsibility, but outside of Coleman none of last years backs proved their worth. Perhaps Holmes great showing in the spring and preseason is a product of a defense that had a really poor start GT game not withstanding. Hope I’m wrong. Look at those Alabama backs – 230-250 pounds, 4.5 speed, power…look at our backs 180, 185, 205 lbs. You want to run between the tackles you’re going to need bigger backs or at least incredibly powerful backs who can break tackles.
CR, have to disagree on comparing GT’s 5 day turnaround to our own. GT is largely practicing for the same or similar offenses every week. VT will prepare for one triple option all year. It requires very unique defensive schemes that require precision and quick thinking. It’s certainly not indefensible as we have shown, but 5 day turn, on the road and against a triple option team is a tough road.
The best i remember, GT had tech beat and blew a coverage last year and the year before a stupid penalty that gave vt a first down saved them. tech has not beat Gt, Gt usually beats themselves.
VTRedwolf you are absolutely correct. Eagle you are correct to a point. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that the GIT beats themselves. The reason not many teams run the triple option is because defenses caught up with it. GIT scores a lot of points against teams without much talent, against talented teams they press and make mistakes. The worst part of a five day prep time is learning and then coaching the tendencies of individual players on certain plays.
The OL was so bad last year that it is hard say how good or bad the running backs were. However, it seemed to me that not one of them did anything but run into a pile. No vision what-so-ever, no cutback against the flow, just run to a spot, and if there people there, run into it anyway. It’s not a question of courage or trying. I suspect that is something you just can’t teach. Maybe the new guys will be better.
Agree with CR about the stadium. Texas A&M is a huge school with a very large alumni base. Good for them. When Tech has true sell-outs with folks clamoring for tickets that they can’t get, then consider building. Saw empty seats against UVA. That aint right!
If GaTech beats themselves, as Eagle showed, then it would seem that GaTech having the same five day window as us would be a problem for THEM, not us.
I really think the whining about having ‘only’ five days to prep for them is just that – whining. Teams all across the nation have ‘only’ five days to prep for Thursday games. GT’s triple option is not any more scary than some of the spread offenses featured by dozens of teams around the country.
I really don’t think Frank or Bud are doing nearly the amount of crying about the schedule that so many fans seem to be doing. We have to prep for their offense? Well, they have to prep for Bud’s defense. Frank’s not skurred. Bud’s not skurred. I’m not skurred.
We need to worry more about prepping for UNC more than GT. People just freak without reason over the triple option. All we have to do is get ahead, then GT’s behind the 8-ball, and we can stop them if we’re disciplined. We have to be just as disciplined for UNC, but the casual fans don’t quake in fear at Fedora’s offense. It’s a better offense than Paul Johnson’s.
There is still alot of questions going into 2013 for sure, and as with 2012 with VT losing its Scoring Threat Recievers, Entire O-Line except Center who is hurt just into a few games, a Defensive Secondary whereby half the players are playing new positions and remainder of Secondary youthful, questions remain 2013!
Defense should Rule if the play with effort they had at the end of 2012.Still a little worried about defensive backs?
Go Hokies
Let the North Endzone be expanded and so all of VT students can come in and see the game? Designate Students Only, they pay enough to go to school there, right?
#7 DH, the truth is that Lane capacity is just about right for us. Top tier for ACC, not a player nationally. No shame in that. We’re not as football crazy as F$U or Clemson, but we are more so than UNC or State, etc.
All the Playstation kids like to envy the SEC, but we’re not in the same level, and for so many reasons, all of them legitimate. 66K is just fine for us.The last couple of years we’ve had to play some games to claim the sellout streak remains alive. We certainly don’t need to sink another $50 mil or so into a pointless crotch grab of – ‘Look at us! We’re big time!…’ by expanding the NEZ.
Phil Knight doesn’t think Autzen needs to be 80K, so perhaps our fanatics could learn from his financial acumen. We’d best be served by making the 66K we have enthusiastic enough to get hoarse, instead of hoping for an 80K capacity stadium with 12K empty seats.
Being a Hokie hater your memory is flawed Eaglet. GTs offense had not done a thing until VT gave them the short field when their freshman punter let it sail over his shoulder and GT got the ball inside or near the VT 20. So if GT had won would it be VT beating themselves? Not to little Eaglet the sad football fan who hides his favorite team (probably the lowly Hoos) and hangs around a VT board just to dump on them constantly often ignoring facts while doing so
9 Billy: Great Idea for the students. The North EZ would be so loud.
So sad to see the students begging for tickets. When I have an extra in Sec 12, I always give it to one, and they never sit in the plush 45 yd line seat. They use it to go stand in the metal North EZ!
Weaver has said that he is staying until the end of December 2015.
Start the countdown, and hurry and get to that date.
yeah that’s right eagle, gt is 2-7 against the best team in the acc since ’04 and vt is not responsible for any of it. what happened last year is they lost again to vt and johnson has only beaten vt once in 5 years. this is not horse shoes buddy. when they decide who plays in the conf. championship game, they look at won loss record, not the scores. How lame…
Nothing makes stadium expansion more irrelevant than to witness the spectacular ability to not win big games. Rather than looking at Phil Knight’s business acumen regarding Autzen stadium, I would ask you to look at the 1980′s Miami Hurricane program. A dilapidated Orange Bowl couldn’t get enough fans in that fossil once the ‘Canes were blowing out teams on the road. Why is that important? Before Howard Schnellenberger came along, Miami football was a punch line, scrimmage fodder for 2nd tier teams. Finally, someone began a commitment to play the big boys on the road, because little money was being made in front of the home crowd. But once Miami started beating teams on the road, the fans came.. in droves! Say what you will about NCAA violations, and there were plenty, when you win versus big time teams, fans show up.
Now, we are learning that the Alabama versus Virginia Tech tilt wont be prime time. The networks, a long time friend of the Hokies during the so-called meteoric rise to national respectability has finally threw in the towel. My argument is and will always be this– Virginia Tech cant beat elite teams. As much as I spent money going to places far away from the hills of sw Virginia to see Tech take that next step, I am no longer a believer that Frank Beamer has the ability or the resolve to be any more than he is now–a respectable hall of fame credentialed coach that took a nearly div II program to its summit. The rub for me is, that while it is a Cinderella story for most programs to have a coach like Frank Beamer, it is not, nor will it ever be satisfactory to any fan of a program that is used to playing for or in the conversation of a national title. The difference between ‘us’ and say, Alabama, Texas, Auburn, LSU, Oregon and USC is that they EXPECT TO WIN those games, while ‘we” HOPE to win them. Same for recruiting. At Alabama, Texas, Auburn, LSU, Oregon and USC–THE SCHOOL PICKS YOU. At Virginia Tech, we wait for the scraps that don’t emigrate to the elites. So, stadium expansion? Hardly. We’ve missed that opportunity by not taking the next level after the lesson not learned after 1999. Solid seasons? Sure. but 10 win seasons are meaningless when you feast on tomato can teams then brag about your ACC wins. I point to our conference record in the BCS as testament to the power level of our conference. Do Elite programs care about 10 win seasons without playing for the national title? Of course they don’t. Did Frank Beamer ‘use’ the 10 win seasons as a talking point whenever he was challenged over his bowl record and his inability to beat top 10 teams and his dismal record versus top 5 teams? He absolutely did. I like Frank Beamer. He is a great example of how a kid from a small town made good. But this fan cares little about how nice he is when he cant get the Hokies to the next plateau. Show I consider myself lucky having a program like Tech? Yeah, it could be worse. But it could be a helluva lot better too.
Stadium size. Look at schools with significantly larger stadiums. Large enrollment schools a lot longer than VT or single major university in their state playing major football. Enrollment sz equates to alumni sz. VT has grown every year for last 30 to get to the sz we are now. Lots of those schools where this large at that time. VT has probably been maxed for many years for the fanbase of non~alumni. A large part of our alumni is under the age of 50. Demographically they become major contributors after they have raised their families and sent their kids to VT. We are 10 years from being in that stage and demand will increase.