Dan’s great Rushcapade, circa 1992
Rush Limbaugh (AP file photo)
Ah, 1992.
It was a great year, no? You can still get a taste of it with a bottle of Beringer Bancroft Ranch Merlot ($70) or a 3-liter Ravenswood Merlot ($57), two fine California vineyards. Back then I drank Ballantine Ale, one of the finest domestic brews ever produced (which is not available in Roanoke, drat).
But I digress. This is a (true) story about your humble correspondent’s brush with infamy. The infamous Rush Limbaugh Radio Show, to be exact. Back in the summer of 1992, I turned down an invitation to be on that show after I pushed their buttons with a handful of letters and a little bit of pre-World Wide Web computer networking.
That invitation came early in the fall of 1992, but the seminal events preceding it occurred in July. What happened was, I got sick, and I don’t really remember the details of the illness. But I was stuck at home, in downtown Annapolis, rather then pulling the normal 7 to 5 shift at The (Annapolis) Capital, where I worked as a reporter at the time.
My eldest daughter was 4 back then (she’ll be 23 in October). Erin, now 20, had just turned 2. Anna (now 17) had been neither been born nor conceived. Zach (who was born in 1998) was years away. Donna worked a retail gig in downtown Annapolis while my mother, who lived about 4 miles outside town, watched our two kids.
So I was home alone, sick. That was when I discovered the Rush Limbaugh Show.
I had suffered a couple days of that bastard when I realized that was enough. One of his favorite “comedy bits” back then was to push a button and play a tape of an obviously black man homeless man, who had been sleeping in a dumpster when the trash truck arrived to empty it.
You’d hear the hydraulic whine of the tipper, then an African-American sounding voice shouting “Hey, hey, let me out! Hey! Hey!” And then silence, then the trash truck driving away.
Then Rush would cut in with an odd cackle and the show would resume. After the Reagan-wrought end of the “Fairness Doctrine,” this crap actually passed for humor in 1994 on American airwaves. A homeless black guy getting killed because he slept in a dumpster. What a laugh riot.
So one of those sick days I decided to do something about it. I sat through an entire Rush Limbaugh show, pencil and pad in hand. And I wrote down all the name of his sponsors. Snapple. Hooked on Phonics. And some others. Back then none of them had Web sites, but they all gave their toll-free phone numbers. And I wrote those down, too.
The next day, I called all of the sponsors’ toll-free phone numbers. For each I had two questions: 1) What is the name of the president of the company? 2) What is the mailing address at which I could send him or her a letter?
I got answers for every one. And then I saw down at my computer and started “The Letter.”
I wasn’t a great writer back then (or now, really). But I was a great reporter and I had a great editor. His name is Stu Samuels, and (lucky for the young journalists he edits) he’s still in the business. I’d gather the info for 2 or 3 stories a day, write some slop, and then Stu would make it sound pretty good.
But I didn’t have Stu to help me on this little sick-leave project, and I didn’t want it to be anything that I dashed off. So I worked on “The Letter.” I probably worked for 8 hours on that thing. I wanted it to be less than a page, so I wrote, and rewrote, and tightened and retightened. (Long ago I threw that computer away, otherwise I could pull off a copy for you).
It was a great letter.
In it, I told the president of company this or company that that I had heard their ad on the Rush Limbaugh Show. And the date of the ad and the time. And that I had been thinking of buying their product. But since hearing their ad on the Limbaugh show, I was reconsidering, because I was surprised.
Did you know that he makes fun of sleeping homeless people dying in dumpsters? I asked. Did you know that after the radio bit, Rush would invariably laugh his head off? Did you know that the bit featured the sound of an African-American dying?
Do you think that’s funny? I asked. Because I don’t. It’s racist. And even if if was a homeless white guy, I’ll be damned if I’ll buy Snapple or Hooked on Phonics or (fill in the name of the company’s product here) ever again. It’s laughing at another person’s misfortune, and that’s not funny.
I wouldn’t presume to tell you how to do your advertising, I added. I just wanted to give you some information on what this consumer is thinking in terms of your product and its marketing.
The responses began coming in at the end of July and continued into August. They were a bunch of mealy-mouthed stuff.
You can read three of them here.
But even before they started coming in, I wasn’t done with Rush Limbaugh.
Back then the World Wide Web didn’t exist. But other computer networks did, such as AOL. You would dial into them via a modem. I was a member of the Prodigy network, which had many different bulletin boards, including ones about politics.
I went on the Prodigy politics bulletin board and told them everything I had done. I posted the form letter on which all of the individually tailored letters were based on. And the names of the companies, the names of their presidents, and the addresses at which you could write them.
And I encouraged others who felt as I did to do the same thing.
Somebody — probably one or more of the advertisers, tipped off Rush Limbaugh’s company somewhat late in this game. And the next thing I knew, I was at work one day when Donna called. This was sometime in September or October.
“Dan,” she said, sounding a little exasperated, “some jerk from the Rush Limbaugh Radio Show is calling here. He’s called twice already. He’s asking all kinds of questions, with an ugly tone. And he wants to talk to YOU.”
She gave me his name, Kit Carson, and his phone number, which I forgot years ago. But I wrote it down and I gave him a call.
“Kit Carson, please,” I said when somebody answered.
“Who is calling?” the receptionist asked.
“This is Dan Casey from Annapolis returning his call,” I said. She put me right through.
“Carson,” the guy answered.
“Kit, this is Dan Casey from Annapolis. I understand you want to talk to me.”
“Yeah,” he said. “It’s about your letters. What do you think you’re up to?”
“Not much,” I said. “I just wrote some letters. I’m just giving your advertisers information about the choices I make in deciding which products to buy,” I said.
“What do you think you’re doing?” he asked.
“I just told you, Kit,” I replied.
“Who ARE you?” he demanded.
“I’m a nobody, Kit,” I said. “I’m just a radio listener, one who’s disgusted with the garbage your boss is spewing.”
“Well I don’t know who you THINK you are, or what you’re up to,” he began.
“Kit,” I interrupted, “I just TOLD you, man. Aren’t you listening? Do you think you guys can get away, six times a day in a three-hour show, with playing the dying gasps of a homeless black guy — and laughing about it — without somebody complaining?
“I’m complaining, Kit. It’s disgusting. I’m giving YOUR advertisers the information they need about how I base my decisions on what products to buy.
“Obviously, it’s working,” I added. “Otherwise, you wouldn’t have called my wife twice this morning. Why are you bugging her?”
“I’ll tell you what,” he said. “I’ll put you on the show. I’ll put you on with Rush,” he said.
“No way,” I replied. “Rush is a radio pro. I’m not. It’s his medium, not mine. I’m not going on the air with him.
“I’ll just stay on the backs of your advertisers,” I added.
“Suit yourself,” he said. And then we hung up.
So if you want to, you could say I chickened out of my opportunity to go on the Rush Limbaugh Radio Show. But screw that. In my mind it was a strategic decision.
The old saying about publishers used to be, “Never pick a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel.” And I was thinking along those lines.
Rush is good at radio. I’m not.
So I missed my chance to go on the air, as “Dan from Annapolis,” to be made a fool of by the king of talk radio. No loss there. It would have been like my 4-year-old daughter doing 3 rounds with Muhammed Ali.
Big deal. I got their attention. Kit’s angry tone told me that.
And you know what?
The next time I tuned into Rush, he was playing that radio bit no longer. Maybe it was because of those letters. Maybe not.
Either way, THAT was a victory.
August 18, 2010 - 8:00 AM
So you chickened out on “sticking it to him?” Why? As long as you held your ground on the point and didn’t waiver from that topic, how could you lose?
You were smart not to go on the show,he would set you up like a bowling pin.And the Talk show bunch have the advantage of cutting you off when they make a remark.
Hey Dan,do you ever take up for any white people?Ever write any letters on white peoples behalf,or is it just the poor downtrodden black folk you support?
Good job Dan, hit ‘em in the pocket book, works every time. Too bad we can’t hit the Democrats in theirs, because they are using ours. MY Hope has changed to dispair, and my Change won’t even buy me time on a parking meter.
The only thing this proves is Dan wrote a few cranky letters, the likes of which Rush’s sponsors get probably thousands a day. Many of those come from organized letter-writing campaigns from leftwing groups opposed to a conservative message.
Hooked on Phonics and the other companies no doubt used the same form letter and sent them to all the cranks, just adjusting the name and address.
There’s no way in hell, Rush, a giant mega superstar would trifle with a single partisan crank. Sorry, not buying. Dan. You might want to settle on a date in which all this “happened”. So far, we’ve seen 1992, 1993, and 1994.
If rush offends you, his advertisers would love to know how you feel about their sponsorship of his show. Feel free to reach out and touch someone.
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Hmmm so over the radio, you infer that because a man is in a dumpster… that he is, in your words, a black??
Did someone call Rush racist?!?!?
Unfortunately Dan, he is still on the air spewing out his hatred and bile.
“an obviously black man homeless man”
On an audio tape? Did he sound “black”, Dan?
It happened, but earlier I was recalling then wrong year. It wasn’t until I went back an looked at the dates on these letters that I realized it happened earlier than I had thought.
I wonder if it would be like the guys who stick O’Reilly with facts. He starts screaming and spraying spit until the person across from him needs a towel. I’ve watched him a couple of times, wondering how much damage all the “turn on the red face” effort is doing to his capillaries.
Nah. Ol’ Rush is too good-natured for that kind of thing.
#5 Wrong again, MM. I heard the bit back then, as well. Rush gave the guy in the dumpster a distinctive dialect, one that you don’t often hear among white Americans. Go back and read what Dan wrote a little more carefully.
#4 Dan’s given us more proof that this happened than you’ve ever given us that you’re an engineer, that you help run a nonprofit, that you’re married or even that you’re female, Suzie.
#2 Speaking of bowling pins, Jack, are you ready? I bowled a little last night.
Good for you Dan, writing Rush directly probably would have yielded a 2 second review before it would have been tossed in the trash can – OR they might have made a skit out of it.
I learned very early in life to be brave and write companies. When I was 7 I opened my favorite poptarts – blueberry with icing. And ALL the poptarts had no icing on them. I looked at the box, it said w/ icing, showing pictures on the front of poptarts covered in sweet icing. I felt cheated. So, I wrote the company with all the bravado a 7 year old could muster. I told them I did not appreciate being cheated out of frosted poptarts -that all the poptarts were naked. I received a very nice letter from the Poptart company, an apology with a coupon for a free box of poptarts. I wish I still had that letter…
I have since written sponsors to programs, doing similar that you did Dan. We need to stand up for what’s right, and too many radio, tv and other programs go over the line.
Dan, your instincts on this were exactly right. Rash is an experienced radio person and you’re not. Plus, on the rare occasions he did deign to talk to somebody who disagreed with him, when he started losing or realized the person was articulate, he would simply cut off the phone mic so that he could talk unimpeded.
These comments are classic.
Dan, can you find a clip of the tape so we can hear it? I’ve never heard it.
charlie, I’ve done much the same too. There’s been a few times I bought products that didn’t deliver like the images showed, or like the packaging said the product would perform. I found that writing the company has yielded very good results. I’ve gotten replacement parts for appliances and electronics, a new hard drive for a computer, and coupons for replacements from those companies like Dell, Black & Decker, Proctor & Gamble, and others. I’ve also written companies about bad service and gotten gift certificates and letters from the folks at the top of those companies…Macado’s is one that comes to mind, and not only did they rectify the situation we mentioned, but I noticed marked changes in how they handle their customers now.
But, I also take time to say thanks for great service, products that exceed expectations, and other things that show excellent performance. I know most times people only speak up if they feel wronged in some fashion, but I try to make sure I also call out the good things I see to let people know they are appreciated for their efforts. In my line of work, I almost never hear anything positive. I do hear the negative though, and lots of it. So if I can just get it to where I don;t hear complaints, then it’s a very good thing.
The companies that advertise on Rush, (Hooked on Phonics, debt counseling/consolidation, hair loss treatment) speak volumes about the demographics of his listeners.
Ahh gdad, so you dont often hear it among ‘white’ americans but you sometimes do?? Yet, you still assume that the person in the clip is African American???
Probably not the most racist crap you have spewed here before… but close!
I think Dan might be referring to Clarence “Frogman” Henry’s song “Ain’t Got No Home”. Rush uses that song to headline his “homeless updates”. Henry is black and his song, far from being discontinued, is still in use on the show 16, 17, or 18 years later.
Snappy of Dan to home in on Frogman’s “black negro dialect”, though. And conservatives are the racists?
7.“an obviously black man homeless man”
On an audio tape? Did he sound “black”, Dan
Do black people sound different than whites? Wow,sounds like racism to me.
Wheres the howling from Kristen and Sandi?
Brendan 17
Hooked on Phonics hasn’t advertised on Rush in probably 15 years. I don’t know of any hair restoration ads, although men in their 20′s and 30′s start to go bald so not sure of your point there. And I don’t know of any debt consolidation ads on Rush’s show specifically. I’ll listen today and we’ll see.
One of the sponsors in recent years has been AB Steaks which sells gourmet foods. Rush Packs sell for $250. So yah, there’s your demographic. Successful educated people who can afford to drop two-fifty for a cookout.
Suzie, that might be it. Does the song have NO MUSIC in it? Does it have the loud whine of a hydraulic lift? Does it have a muffled voice, in what sounds like black dialect, screaming “Hey, let me out!” And does it have a repeated tinny-sounding pounding, like fists beating on metal?
That it’s then! (But it’s no song).
Calling someone “black” is racist??? I suppose you would want me to say ‘African American’….see that term makes no sense to me….Most of the so called african americans have never been to Africa…so to call them African American is stupid in my opinion….and what about all the non African dark skinned people out there….. if a black man from Haiti comes to America do we still call him an African American???? I am ‘white’ when I fill out applications and such…so why is refereing to a dark skinned person as ‘black’ any different?
Good job Dan….anytime you can stick it to Rush the better….he is the model poster boy for the elitist GOPers or the WASP Party…
Gdad,
Dan’s given us more proof that this happened than you’ve ever given us that you’re an engineer, that you help run a nonprofit, that you’re married or even that you’re female, Suzie.
Dan’s original post (made right after he said I was lying about reading the #1 economics classic of all time for extra credit in an economics class) stated that Rush’s people “begged” him to be on their show. I have yet to see anything that remotely resembles proof of that claim. All we know is he got a few boilerplate letters in response to his poltically-motivated complaints.
To Jack…….. obviously there is a huge difference between how blacks and whites talk….. are you telling me you cant tell the difference or are you just trying to make a point that isnt really there…. can you tell the differnce between a northerner and a southerner…..or identify someone from Long Island just by there voice…. i know I can….
I wonder if Rush has any African-Americans on his staff? Might one of you dittoheads enlighten us?
I would like to hear it. Can it be found?
20 Jack,
I notice the libs are pretty much staying away from this one. I do see “Ron the conservative” weighed in on his dislike for Rush. What a surprise.
lol @ Brendan…I had not paused to consider that.
So people who buy mail-ordered meat from a radio ad are successful and educated? I don’t think so. I think they’re fools. I actually inspect my meat before I buy it.
Have you bought any of those AB steaks, Suzie?
Another Tom, wonder how many of our predecessors bought and sold ‘blacks’? I know it appears on many statements from that period and in wills, etc.
To keep referring to a human being as simply a color is insulting and demeaning.
BTW, I put ‘Caucasian’ when I am asked for it.
Oh Another Tom, it is nice to hear another non-liberal voice on this blog though, which apparently you are because you are actually out filling out applications.
Another Tom, what if a person’s skin is just really really dark brown? Do you still call them ‘a black’?? Do you only call them ‘a black’ if they are darker than you? Would you be considered ‘a black’ to a Chinese person, or in your view, ‘a yellow’??
‘Successful educated people who can afford to drop two-fifty for a cookout.’
Or, you know, someone who is a fiscal conservative could do the whole cookout, including a keg of really good beer, a lot more food, and more for the same price as a few steaks (2 srips, 2 ribeyes, 4 fillets), burgers (16), and hot bogs (8) that the Rush pack includes. Give me a pack of Nathan’s, hand-cut steaks from Kroger, and some fresh ground 90/10 and I can do it for about $50 what Allen Brothers charges Rush listeners $299 for.
I don’t know about anyone else, but paying $300 for a couple steaks, burgers, and dogs is about like those $10K government toilets people rail about: massively overpriced and a total waste of money when something a fraction of the price will be just as good, and look the same on the backside.
May just be a distraction for this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/18/opinion/18dowd.html?_r=1&ref=maureendowd
Or Dan is trying for another shot. Could be to get a mention and boost blog hits, etc. I would think Rush would be smart enough not to mention anything about the RT.
I’m with Dan… who the hell buys meat through the mail? That’s the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard!
I have had Allen Brothers meats. Really good quality USDA PRIME for the most part – I worked in the corporate offices for a national chain steakhouse for years, so I’d like to believe I have some experience in judging beef and what’s good or horse meat. AB is good quality – for those who like to have Ruth’s Chris quality steaks from their own grill or oven.
BTW – I am educated and have a career where I am succesful.
This discussion is disgusting- Dan heard something that should have been deeply disturbing to any normal person, regardless of race, and said something about it. And now several of you are turning it into a political/race issue, or debating a specious argument about whether or not Dan was invited to speak on the show, instead of addressing what the real issue is- Rush Limbaugh thinks its funny to broadcast a recording of someone dying. I can’t even believe that some of you are heartless enough to justify Rush’s actions.
Yes Art, he does:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Golden_(radio_personality)
I was invited to speak on the show by Kit Carson. Perhaps it was too strong to say he “begged.” But he called my house twice, wanting to talk to me, and when I finally called him he invited me to go on the show.
Our admin support person grew up in the worst place in SE DC. She was the first, and at that time, the only one in her family to go to college and graduate. She didn’t grow up with a father, and most of her relatives were on welfare or in prison.
This is what she shared with a couple of us. From the start her mother made her study hard, carefully enunciate her words and always use proper grammar. She said that her mom told her that you can tell a lot about a person by the way they speak, and “because you’re black life’s gonna be tougher for you. No whining about it, that’s just a fact.”
She said that her friends and cousins were always teasing her. Saying things like “You think you’re better than us, cuz you talk like you’re some kind of white person.” Those weren’t the exact words but that’s the gist of what they said. She said she felt like asking them “What does speaking properly have to do with being black or white? Why would you want associate sounding uneducated with a black way of talking?”
#32- MMM,
You’ve brought this up before Mark, and I’ve asked you this question in return. What do you say to all those people who proudly identify themselves as “black”? All those community, government, entertainment places that actually have the word “black” proudly proclaimed in their title? Until these people and many every day people stop identifying themselves this way, why would you expect anyone else to do so? Especially when it seems to a preference be noted in this manner.
I see that MMM is back on his black/red/yellow/pink polka dot obfuscation
tactics again trying to change the subject and deflect the crticism leveled at his cronies Suzie, DD, Henry, and Jack who are the ones who
consistently spew the racist bile on this blog. I’m sure they do so inspired by their mentor and hero Brush Blimpbaugh. Good for you Dan.
Maybe us bloggers should organize a new letter writing campaign to his
so called sponsors.
#18 As usual, MM falsely accuses me of spewing racist crap in the past. He’s a liar.
#18 BTW, MM, there is, quite obviously, nothing at all racist about noting that some black Americans have a specific dialect that is recognizable to the ear (and, yes, there are some white American who imitate it). I did not say it was wrong or inferior or anything of the sort. It’s no different than saying folks from the Appalachians or from Boston or from New Orleans have a dialect or accent. Nothing racist there at all, except maybe in your senseless Limpbaugh world.
“But he called my house twice, wanting to talk to me, and when I finally called him he invited me to go on the show.”
By the sounds of it, you chickened out, which I would not have pegged you as. I figured any chance to sling some mud would be right up your alley, especially at the likes of Limbaugh.
Were you a journalist at the time?
Lynda – this is who the hell…
http://www.allenbrothers.com/who-is-serving.html
I know someone that was “invited to call” the show in 1998. I think they actually called her.
I’ve ordered some meat via an online company that ships it on dry ice. I got top-quality steaks, hot dogs, burgers, chicken, and cold cuts from them, and I got it for well less than half the AB prices, with more than double the meat. And it beat anything I can find in stores here. But it took several years of searching to find a company that I was willing to try that with.
Walker, thanks for that link. I can say I’ve never eaten at any of those places. The only I might try at some point…Emeril’s. But I don’t really have the desire to drop a C-note on a steak dinner for two at a place like Ruth’s Chris…no matter how good. I cannot justify spending that sort of money on a meal, and my wife wouldn’t stand for it either. We will, however, drop a good $60 or so at The Summit in C’burg for a steak dinner there, and it’s worth every bit of it.
#21 “Successful educated people who can afford to drop two-fifty for a cookout.”
Let me help, Suze. “Preening show-offs who think they can climb the social ladder a little by dropping $250 for a cookout that can be done just as well or a whole lot better for a lot less money.”
And did you know that Allen Brothers will even sell you Alaskan King Crab legs for just $50 per pound? The exact same crab legs you can get in a grocery store for as little as $10-$12 a pound on sale (and no more than say $15-$17 per pound at full price)? Wow, that’s some smart shopping. Oh wait, buy 4 pounds and the price drops to just $45 per pound.
#46 Nothing chicken about it, UTR. Rush completely controls what and how much you get to say and he routinely cuts off anybody who even begins to get the better of him.
Last fall I ordered a New York strip at John’s Steakhouse in Bath County. It was $33 bucks or so and it was the best steak I’ve ever eaten anywhere.
What a riot.
Tell us how good those $50-a-pound frozen crab legs are, Suzie!
You know what they say: There’s a sucker born every minute. I wonder how much of that $50 goes to buy ads on Rush’s show. . .
Walker, well played. But seriously, why let facts get in the way of cheap shots and gang ups?
“I think they’re fools” – Dan Casey
“That’s the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard!” – Lynda K
“Nothing chicken about it, UTR. Rush completely controls what and how much you get to say and he routinely cuts off anybody who even begins to get the better of him.”
Ever play PR side role gdad in your journalism career? You know how journalists (albeit Rush not being one) trys to pull you off. I figure Dan knows that game well. Don’t say anything stupid, don’t go off topic. EVER. What would he have to worry about? Dan was playing the racism card. How could he fail if he stays on topic of that subject. Stay on point. Don’t waiver. If he gets cut off, so what? Follow those rules and you aren’t made a fool. Technically you win if he cuts you off. The call would have shown mad cojones to stand up for the “little guy” and defend what he thought was right. That’s all I’m saying.
My advantage and bet would have gone to Dan in the case. How could he have lost?
Walker… Somehow I doubt that these steakhouses are getting their shipments via “Priority Mail”! My guess would be that Walker Bros either owns or contracts with a shipping company to handle the meat that is sold to restaurants. It does not ship via the US mail.
Magpie, want me to reference a few hundred songs in which African Americans identify themselves proudly as n***as or n***ers and then ask you since some of them ‘proudly’ reference themselves in that manner then it must make it okay for everyone else to do so??
The single best meal I’ve had is a tie between the New York Strip steak at The Summit, and the slow-roasted prime rib at The Tobacco Company Restaurant in Richmond. The meal plus a non-alcoholic beverage will set you back about $30 at The Summit, closer to $40 at The Tobacco Company. But, they’re worth the price.
When I was in VA Beach last, I went to their new Town Center (they never had a downtown…it’s a massive suburb), and I saw an ad at the Ruth’s Chris for a steak dinner for 2 plus side dish and an appetizer for $89: drinks, tip, and tax not included. When you added that in, it was easily $60 or more per person.
*pats gdad on the head…. yes gdad, you arent racist, ever…
Good job, dave, for a change, you got the person’s name right whose comment you were referring to.
Magpie, admin support = college grad??
Never had anything but Steaks, Franks and Hamburgers from them so I can’t comment on the seafood. Price is high, but worth it. Yea with flash freezing and fed-ex – it’s strictly for suckers.
I get my hormone free beef directly from the farm that’s part of the not for profit I lead and I get my organic vegetables from the greenhouses that are another part of the organization. I wouldn’t think of paying $250 for a Rush Pack. Suzie apparently enjoys throwing her money away in support of Limpbag.
Dan – I heard their “chicken” is really good as well.
“obviously there is a huge difference between how blacks and whites talk….. are you telling me you cant tell the difference”
No you cant tell,and assumimg someone is black because of their speech is racist.
Are you saying they are inferior or dont speak well?
Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse – best steak I ever had, even better than The Palms & Peter Luger’s. The only thing I didn’t like is that everything was a la carte, as most steakhouses are.
As far as ordering meat through the mail – I used to get gifts from Omaha Steaks, no complaints there. I would stay away from buying steaks from the back of a car of a local meat company.
gdadf, that’s common practice on just about any political talk show I’ve listened to. Rush, Hannity, Boortz…they’ll all cut fgolks off at some point. SOme give more leeway like Boortz, but Hannity has a fairly short limit for folks that disagree with him, but not as bad as Michael Savage who will cut someone off pretty fast. Of course you also have to remember that all these folks have call screeners who first select who they want to be on the air, so it’s quite possible that most folks with differing views simply never make it through. It’s staged like pro wrestling and ‘reality’ TV, and those Hillary Clinton for President press conferences. They will let you see and hear what they want you to see and hear, no doubt about it.
The cookout is 5 p.m. this Saturday at Ron’s house!
What time do we have to leave Roanoke to be in Indiana at 5 p.m., Ron?
The best beef to buy in the supermarket is the almost out-of-date stuff that has turned brown. Seriously, it’s more tender and flavorful than the red stuff. And it’s always marked down.
And if you EVER see some with a little bit of green mold, grab it! That’s more or less the definition of “aged beef.”
Last time I drove to Blacksburg from here it took about 9.5 hours. Let me know how many to expect.
By the way I have a golf outing Saturday morning starting at 8 a.m.
#58- Yes Mark, I would like to see that list. And I’m not talking about rap stars, comedians, poets or other people who are trying to make a point in calling themselves or others n***as or n***ers. I’m talking about people like this: The Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, Black Jazz Records, Black Enterprise, Black America’s Political Action Committee. There are many, many others. They represent people who proudly proclaim to be “black”.
As to your comment #60- yes she was admin support, and she was making $42k a year back then. She took that job for the pay but mainly for the tuition reimbursement. She was working on an advanced degree at night. Do you have a problem with someone working for an honest living? Up North during the 80′s, and maybe even today, you would have seen some PHD’s pumping gas or working at McDonalds to support their family during hard times.
Mark, it is possible to graduate from college and be in admin support. My job would be classified as such, and I have a BA. Granted, my office consists of 4 people so I kind of do it all (bookkeeper, office manager, paralegal, secretary…).
#64 “Are you saying they are inferior or dont speak well?”
Gosh, Jack, nobody said that except you. Way to go.
MMM at 1:19 and 1:21
As usual, we get the same silly patronizing bushwa from your poisonous
racist mind which can do nothing but defend the real racists on this blog.
“I’m talking about people like this: The Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, Black Jazz Records, Black Enterprise, Black America’s Political Action Committee. There are many, many others. They represent people who proudly proclaim to be “black”
If a black is proud to be black then his a patriot to his race.If a white is proud of his race,hes a racist.Why the double standard?
White is beautiful.Say it loud Im white and Im proud.White power!!!
Is that OK? How about WET,White Entertainment Television? Or the “White Caucus” ?
#42 Remember, Magpie, that this is MM bringing this up. It’s hard to tell whether he’s serious or jerking a chain for fun. Either way, MM can make all the declarations he wants — “black” is still a commonly used and accepted word in the African-Amercian community. And the “n” word is not. MM knows that.
Somebody asked if I was a journalist when this happened. The answer is yes, I was a reporter at The Capital. And no, I didn’t tell Carson that was how I made my living. I don’t recall that he asked.
It wasn’t really material in my mind. I was just a guy, at home, sick, who got sicker listening to Limbaugh and decided to do something about it.
Dr Laura is leaving her radio show, because she wants her first amendment rights back. She’ll be able to say the n word as much as she wants to on her web site. It’s frowned upon when it’s said on the radio or TV.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2010/08/18/129275433/laura-schlessinger-gets-back-the-first-amendment-rights-she-always-had
77.”Dr Laura is leaving her radio show, because she wants her first amendment rights back. She’ll be able to say the n word as much as she wants to on her web site. It’s frowned upon when it’s said on the radio or TV”
Isnt it pathetic,Im sick dancin around blacks…and so is she.
Maybe Dr. Laura is gonna go back to being a nude model….Maybe in like geriatric edition of Playboy.
The only thing interfering with Doc Laura’s First Amendment rights is the attitude of her sponsors, who, oddly enough, pay her to work, not to spout spurious sentiments about who says what to whom. Does she truly, really give a rat’s tuchus about what a rapper says to a hiphop musician? Nah. But she flat out loves the reaction she gets using the word they use, time after time, while claiming she’s not using it time after time.
Even her nose drips hypocrisy.
#71- Lori, we had a large office, but she basically “wore many hats” also. She even had her own part-time assistant.
#74- Jack, my comment was in reference to Mark’s post #32. Not about “white” power -vs- “black” power.
#75- gdad, I’ve always shown respect for Mark. And I would hope he’d extend the same courtesy by respecting my intelligence too. If he’s just “jerking a chain for fun” then that’s on him, not me.
LOL Brendan!
You’re right Charlie, 2 of her sponsors dropped her, that hurt.
“I’m talking about people like this: The Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, Black Jazz Records, Black Enterprise, Black America’s Political Action Committee. There are many, many others. They represent people who proudly proclaim to be “black”
If a black is proud to be black then his a patriot to his race.If a white is proud of his race,hes a racist.Why the double standard?
White is beautiful.Say it loud Im white and Im proud.White power!!!
Is that OK? How about WET,White Entertainment Television? Or the “White Caucus” ?”
Comment by Jack McGuire — August 18, 2010 @ 4:44 pm
Jack, 4:44 is entirely too early to be hittin’ the sauce. The drinking lamp isn’t lit for normal folks until 5:00 pm and you’re already hammered! We need to work on your alcohol problem, son. Do you need me to set you up with a AA referral?
“Isnt it pathetic,Im sick dancin around blacks…and so is she.”
Comment by Jack McGuire — August 18, 2010 @ 5:31 pm
Jack,
Booze and the internet don’t go well together!
You really need to get off the bottle, son…Nobody likes a pathetic drunk. I’m guessing with all the rain lately you can’t be roofing so you cracked the jug a little early? We got to get you a part time gig bagging groceries at Kroger or something; idle hands are obviously doing the work of the devil today.
In the meantime, how ’bout giving the internet a rest until you sober up?
Steve C…
You can talk till you’re blue in the face… Jack is a racist, through and through and there’s nothing anyone here can say to dissuade him from that.
I like the way Jack thinks. It gets tiresome having to acquiesce to the arbitrary double standard set by the left. Same old story; they can say what they want; we can’t.
Do you really think Dr. Laura is “quitting”?… I’d wager that Dr. Laura was asked to leave.
I bet there would be a nice comfy spot for her on the EIB network! Seeing how those types like to stick together…. safety in numbers, and all.
Your the sos..sonny..just keepn riding your trike..
Mu post was TOTAL TRUTH…
I wonder if Rush has any African-Americans on his staff? Might one of you dittoheads enlighten us?
Nobody cares if he does or doesn’t, Poodle.
The fact is, Bo Snerdley has been with Rush most or all of his 22 years on the air. I love when Bo takes the mike as the “certified 0bama criticizer”. He presents comments in a regular dialect; then he repeats the same comments in a “strong Negro dialect”. Of course, Snerdley’s being black, the libs can’t touch him.
Lynda K,
You may in fact be right, but I still say that tonight, it’s the Jack Danial’s, not the Jack McGuire, thats doing most of the talking.
Either that or he took a digger head first off a building that he was putting shingles on.
#74 & 78 OK, even though I’d wipe up the lanes with him, I definitely do NOT to meet Jack/Tony for a bowling match after those comments.
“Jack is a racist, through and through and there’s nothing anyone here can say to dissuade him from that’
WHY IS EQUAL TIME RACISM..
It sounds like ordering meat through the mail is like flying to NYC for the day to you liberal rubes. I made the mistake of thinking normal people knew about it when there’s a large segment of unsophisticated folks who don’t know about dry ice and styrofoam cooler packaging.
I ordered some hot dogs from AB Steaks for $50. There were good, but no better than Nathan’s. I would like to try the burgers at some point. But being the thrifty person I was brought up being, I concur with OJ and others that it’s not a good use of my money, no matter how much I have. For others who want to buy it and have the money? I think it’s peachy. But to compare this extravagance with government waste is absurd. Government wastes OTHER people’s money. For private spending, waste is in the eye of the beholder, and only the spender’s opinion matters.
Suzie, you are welcome to say anything you wish to say, just as I am. Whether or not anyone is willing to present your words, and the ideas in back of them, to others is up to them. In this case, Dan Casey, at least in part because of instruction from his boss.
You do not have a right to have someone else provide a platform for your words. If you wish to disagree, it’s very simple to form a blog of your own. I’m sure Jack, if he’s sober and can find it, will read it from time to time.
It’s also interesting so many faux elites in here ridiculed my $9 lunches at the Golden Corral while you sniffed about dining at the Isaacs. Yet these same people whine about conservatives spending their money on gourmet steaks.
I haven’t seen anyone on this blog keep you and your cohorts from spouting mindless drivel Suzie.
93, Charlie,
Like I said. Liberals are allowed to say what they want without consequence. Conservatives aren’t. Stop with the cute semantics.
This liberal rube has been ordering a ham at Christmastime for the last few yrs. It’s not cheap, but it’s delicious and well worth the money. I also order bacon from the same company. much higher quality then the bacon at the grocery store. Petit Jean Meats, http://www.petitjeanmeats.com I highly recommend them.
“All those community, government, entertainment places that actually have the word “black” proudly proclaimed in their title? Until these people and many every day people stop identifying themselves this way, why would you expect anyone else to do so?” – Magpie
Umm Mags, I brought up entertainers, who probably on your short list above are the most honest, respectable, earners, and can show you that they not only call themselves ‘n**gas’ and ‘n**gers’ but also others that they respect as well. Yet, you put down my points simply because they contradict yours… or because you put working in politics as the utmost respectable position that a person can hold… lol? Yes, I value your posts and read yours whilst skimming over the flamethrowers like gdad and dave. But you are way too intelligent to believe that its okay to call someone a color simply because ‘a lot of other people are doing it too’.
gdad… dave… Brendan mentioned he has some geriatric editions of playboy… y’all should get together.
I too thought it was funny that someone would go to an extreme and laugh about someone that paid $50/pound for king crab then, in the same breath, talk about what an awesome deal a $35 steak is…
Last time I was at Kroger, or anywhere, I couldn’t find a single steak for $35… but I bet anyone there would have been glad to have sold me one!
I dont even think the ‘Ole 96er’ was $35!!!
36 and 37
Good posts, Walker. So many comment without knowing. Glad you could set them straight.
Suzie, if your insane comments had consequences, we would not still be suffering your blight!
Why don’t you sycophants admit it, NOTHING the fool can say or do will ever cross the line for you and while you think that is “standing up” for him and Conservatives, it is really just proving that your politics mean more than integrity, decency, honesty and credibility. No worries though, it was no secret.
I splurge on things simetimes. But for something like tonight, 2 ribeye steaks from Kroger flame-grilled with a touch of hickory on my grill…no restaurant steak can touch it. Of course I haven’t eaten at Ruth’s Chris though…but I have eaten a lot of steak and I’ve yet to find one that can match the flavor to price ratio.
I do like my company I order from though, they have great products. I get stuff from them since I like a lot of the Halal meats they offer. I think the quality is better, and they last much longer in both the fridge and freezer than conventional. Price-wise they’re comparable to Kroger…minus shipping. I always have fun with the leftover dry ice in the box, the cats go bonkers when it’s dropped into their water bowl.
Black or African American?
“African American” slightly preferred among those who have a preference
I know that too many are a broken record, but how many times are you going to have this same conversation Marked Man, and what do you hope to gain by injecting it every chance you get?
As for Rush’s “laughter” Dan might be thinking of Rush’s Feminazi updates where he plays a sped-up recording of some screeching feminist leader at a NOW rally. He intersperses his laughter. That one, also, is still being used, although not as often as in the past.
He used to do one where he played The Jefferson’s theme “Movin’ On Up” whenever talking about Carol Moseley Braun. He ought to resurrect that one for Michele 0bama and her mother.
“Movin’ on up. (Movin’ on up)
To the east side (Movin’ on up)
We finally got a piece of the pie”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9y4iXAso4I&feature=related
Not all “black people” are from Africa and if we are so hung up on roots, why are “white people” not identified by the country of their ancestors? Race and racism are important discussions but this is not the way to have them.
“It’s also interesting so many faux elites in here ridiculed my $9 lunches at the Golden Corral while you sniffed about dining at the Isaacs. Yet these same people whine about conservatives spending their money on gourmet steaks”
Comment by Suzie — August 18, 2010 @ 8:14 pm
Suz, anyone that dines at the G.C. is a half wit; look around next time you eat there. Notice the vacant stares, the bits of spittle in the corner of their mouths, the jostling for position at the beginning of the feed trough that you call a buffet, the stained tee shirts and over-stuffed Mu-mu’s? Yeah, now go look in the mirror, cup cake… Seriously, $50 on hot dogs? What a clown. Really, how do you expect people to take you seriously when you claim you have a master’s degree and yet you stuff your gullet with filth like that? Give me a break, Suz. Everyone knows that only slow witted rubes consume that crap.
And as for the Isaacs, they have one of the healthiest menu’s in town, but since the owner is a teabagger I can’t spend my money there any longer, and I discourage everyone I know from supporting his restaurant. It’s a shame; they have (had) great lamb. Still, you ought to try it; they have an all-you-can-eat salad bar. Your body could use some healthy food every now and again.
Let’s see. The white staffers name is Kit Carson. The token black staffer’s name is Bo Snerdley. Sounds like Rush’s Freudian slip is showing.
MMM, the difference is the same wherever you go: Good restaurants are almost always more expensive than buying in the store and cooking it yourself. (Unless you’re buying from AB Steaks. Then you pay more to cook it yourself.)
I wouldn’t laugh at a $50 king crab leg entre in a restaurant if the crab legs were fresh, and if they were expertly cooked for you in luxury surroundings. But AB’s is selling them frozen, and charging you $50 a pound, and after they arrive via FedEx you have to cook them yourself and provide the sides.
The $35 steak at John’s Steakhouse was a 3-inch-tall, aged prime strip steak over which John had spooned a brandy peppercorn sauce. It was almost fork tender, it was perfectly cooked medium rare. It came with a salad, sides and the house bread.
C’mon guys…we can’t fault Suzie if she happens to have a penchant for expensive meat, delivered directly to her door by the US Postal service! It’s just too bad that she had to boil those weiners herself.
I wonder…. Do you put $50 hot dogs on $2.00 buns?
Suzie, did you get 6 or 8 El Rushbo hot dogs from AB steaks for your $50?
Either way, I’d be glad to sell you some frozen Italian sausages I have in my freezer. You can have 7 of them for a mere $40.
That’s a better than $15 discount off AB’s price of $55 for a pound! Cripes, they charge more for sausage than they do for crab legs.
#98- Mark you obviously misunderstood my comment. First, where did I put down your points? I said, “And I’m not talking about rap stars, comedians, poets or other people who are trying to make a point in calling themselves or others n***as or n***ers.” They aren’t using those terms with a sense of pride, like the places I mentioned. They are, for the most part, using the words you mentioned for the “shock” value. In some cases, like using harsh profanity and in others trying to knock people out of complacency.
And where did I put “working in politics as the utmost respectable position that a person can hold”? I named a non-profit Foundation that runs programs in education, healthcare and economic development, a record company, an investment magazine, and last on my list was Black America’s Political Action Committee. Do you know anything about them? http://www.bampac.org/default.asp
My post below sums up the use of the different words pretty accurately…
“Gayle Tiller, vice president of the San Jose NAACP, says the use of the N-word is indicative of this trend. “It’s a derogatory word, whether it’s an ‘er’ or an ‘a’ spelling,” she says. “I find it really offensive. Hearing it coming from a white person, the blood is going to be rising, and there’s going to be a conflict.”
Her opinion was shared by a number of black Bay Area writers.
Elsie B. Washington, a novelist, essayist and former editor of Essence, thinks that the word is acceptable for blacks to use, but not whites. “For older blacks, it’s still considered an insult,” Washington says. “It’s our word to use as we want, but, no, white folks cannot use it, even if they’re would-be hip-hoppers. It’s too fiery … too potent a word. Some young whites using it might have a good connotation in mind, but then other whites hearing it will think it’s OK to use it in the traditional, negative sense of the word.”
Opal Palmer Adisa, a poet, novelist and professor of literature and writing at the California College of Arts and Crafts, says she believes the use of “nigga” or “nigger” is “the same as young people’s obsession with cursing. A lot of their use of such language is an internalization of negativity about themselves.”
gdad, you gotta’ be kidding me? Jack would be a riot to get drunk and take bowling.
Jack, the hooch is on me, buddy! Just let me know the next rainy day the boss-man cancels work. I am so there, man. I’ll even come get you so you don’t have to drive. Not that you’d be in any shape to if today is any indication, but that’d be half the fun, watching you trying to walk straight and throw a bowling bowl at the same time! That would totally kick ass! BTW, do you prefer Carillion or Lewis Gail when you injure yourself in a drunken stupor? I just want to make sure I deliver you to your preferred environment at the end of the evening. On second thought, scratch that; I’m sure a man of your obvious capabilities can normally hitch a ride with the po-po when you get wacky on the juice like you are this evening.
I mean it; if today is any hint of how you get down on your days off, I’ll drive your drunk ass around just for giggles. I bet you’re quite a hit with the ladies down at the bowling alley when you’re in the jug, aren’t you? I can’t wait to see a pro like you in action!
Party on, Jack!
Steve C.
You can eat as healthy as you want to at the GC. Chicken breast, salad, fresh fruit. Folks I see there are mostly just nice normal people; shoppers, retired folks, working men. I don’t know why you have such a negative view of huumanity.
As for the dogs, I got them for a big family picnic as a taste treat splurge. Some really liked them. I rarely eat hot dogs, but when I do, Nathan’s are fine. But you don’t have to worry about me. As I said before, I have no doubts I could take your lard-a$$ in ten-mile bike race.
#104 MM injects it so that he can then falsely accused people of being racists.
111
Suzie, did you get 6 or 8 El Rushbo hot dogs from AB steaks for your $50?
Either way, I’d be glad to sell you some frozen Italian sausages I have in my freezer. You can have 7 of them for a mere $40.
That’s a better than $15 discount off AB’s price of $55 for a pound! Cripes, they charge more for sausage than they do for crab legs.
MM responded very well in advance in #100, so I’ll just copy his post as is:
“I too thought it was funny that someone would go to an extreme and laugh about someone that paid $50/pound for king crab then, in the same breath, talk about what an awesome deal a $35 steak is…
LOL.
#99 MM manages to either twist words around or somehow “misunderstand” them yet again. That’s what he does.
#114 Problem is, Steve, I’d have to explain him to my friends of various races at the bowling alley. Don’t want to go there.
O.J.
Try the steaks at Fresh Market next time. I think they taste better then Krogers and they don’t cost that much more. TFM has an excellent butcher shop.
“Seriously, back in 1993 the producer of the El Rushbo show called me and BEGGED me to go on the air with Rush. I was cleaning out my files last week and found the letter related to that. I’ll share them on a future date.”
Comment by Dan Casey — August 13, 2010 @ 6:53 pm
The guy who called me, at my home, was Kit Carson. This was in early 1994, and I was at work when he called, and Donna called me, saying, “Dan, this jerk from the Rush Limbaugh is calling here, and he wants to talk to you, and he’s called twice. I wouldn’t give him your work number but I told him I’d call you and tell you his.”
So I called the guy. I declined his offer (begging, really) to go on the air with Rush. I have respect for Rush and his popularity in the medium, radio. It’s not my playing field. So I said no way.
But, I got their attention, big-time. And I’ll share how I did that with you later.Comment by Dan Casey — August 13, 2010 @ 7:18 pm
So how exactly do letters from 3 organizations in response to your complaints validate your claim that you were begged to appear on the air with Rush?
Hey, Suz, look at this! 4lbs of hot dogs for only $20!!!
http://www.petitjeanmeats.com/Hot-Dogs-4-1lb-Packages/productinfo/67
You can thank your ol’ buddy Debbie for the hook up.
I’d go for that ol’ 96′er. No way I could even eat 1/8th of it in a sitting though. Would make for good leftovers…I’ll just make sure the raccoons don’t get into the trash before I get home!
Dan, the whole issue with AB reminds me of what some theaters will do to gin up more interest for tickets. If you put on a show and charge $10 for tickets, most folks won’t pay it any mind. But if you throw out that there are 100 premium seats available for only $200 a pop, then your high-rollers get interested in them, and everyone else suddenly things it’s a bargain to get a $20 seat. It’s part of that Myth of Fair Value book I won off you earlier…wonderful book and I learned a lot of nifty little tricks had always suspected, but never could confirm.
With the mail order meats…you get the sense that it’s something special with the names attached and the gargantuan price. Sure, they probably offer a product better than their competitors, but you pay a price that far exceeds what any reasonable person would spend in a normal setting. But toss in a few glamorous names and some nifty marketing, and viola! A $20 restaurant steak can sell for $40 and be shipped on dry ice to your door…and make you feel like you got a helluva deal in doing it.
BM, of course, the letters prove absolutely nothing. You can believe it or not.
Did I promise to “validate” the claim? Of course not. It’s true though. (But hold me to the standard you have set, if that eases your anxiety). You’ve seen the letters, which I ran across a couple of weeks ago when I was cleaning out some old files. That’s all I’ve got.
It was in 1992, shortly after I wrote the letters, and got the responses you’ve seen. The guy called me at home twice, and when I called him back he challenged (that’s a more accurate description, actually) me to go on the air with Rush. I declined.
OJ,
If you’re running commercials on Rush’s show all the time, you have to goose the price to cover the cost of those, too.
Sandi, not all ‘black people’ are really ‘black’ either… since you are referring to them as simply a color. Some are a chocolate brown or a dark brown…. heck some of them are barely darker than white… but they are all just ‘a black’ to you and your ilk, huh?
he ate the fat and gristle and everything…. ughh
Magpie, you brought up entertainment and i brought up some entertainers… you cant pick and choose specific entertainers just to make it fit your arguement. I bet there are some record companies with the word ‘black’ in their title that also signs singers that love to use the ‘n’ word.
… or to fit your ‘argument’ as we like to say in this part of VA… lol that darn Vouvrais
Wow. Everyone stayed up later than I did.
#97: Suze, as I said, you can say what you want, but you have no entitlement when it comes to presentation to the masses. Call it “cute semantics” if you will, but the fact is, your drivel is usually amusing, but otherwise mildly irksome when controls on your flapping lips are in place. Without those controls, you’d just be irritating.
Another point: Jack got to spout his line of hate based white power bias on here and you got to support it. You both had to do so within community standards, though. I realize that most conservatives believe community standards are for the lower classes, but, really, that’s wrong. All of us lower life forms, AKA as liberals and progressives, ask that you shining superior beings comply as well.
Steve C, Petit Jean bacon rocks! Especially the thick cut and peppered kind. It’s very lean, lots of meat, little fat and the price isn’t bad considering how much you get. Suz wouldn’t order water on my recommendation.
#127- Mark, there you go again… “but they are all just ‘a black’ to you and your ilk, huh?”
Who is Sandi’s “ilk”? Every single black person who identifies themself that way? They seem to be in the majority. Although I don’t see you writing about or castigating those people. You avoid that subject by switching it to some others who use “shock value” language instead. Maybe Suzie or Jack? No, you seem to be ignoring their many comments about this, as usual, even though some of those comments are right on this page.
Are you looking in a mirror when you’re accusing me of picking and choosing? It’d be more honest. Like in your post #129- “Magpie, you brought up entertainment and i brought up some entertainers… you cant pick and choose specific entertainers just to make it fit your arguement.” When that’s exactly what you did and have been doing. If you can’t see that or won’t admit to it, then you aren’t even being honest to yourself.
You also seem to use a very “broad brush” when it comes to other opinions. And they are definitely opinions- not facts. Like this one where you say that the rap entertainers “are the most honest, respectable, earners”. You know what? I bet if a comparison were made of the people in the list I gave against the people in the list you gave, I wonder who would have more guilty of violence, drugs, illegal money gain, etc…? Or are you just going to say that the people on your list just get more attention, so we know about all their misdeeds?
Mark, I’d eat the fat, gristle, and everything if I had a Paul Bunyan-looking chef standing over me too!
The bear chase scene is probably my favorite part of that movie. And don’t forget, we all learned what really goes into a hotdog! Lips and a**holes…thanks Dan Akroyd!
“not all ‘black people’ are really ‘black’ either”
We probably need to let Dan hear them speak to get an official ruling.
OJ 121
Why aren’t you talking about how outrageous the four- or five-star restaurants are that use AB steaks? One would assume their prices and profit margins are even greater than ABs. Are people who go there “unwise” with their money? Dan paid $35 at a restaurant for a hunk of meat. Hell, you can get a rump roast at Wal-Mart for $7.97.
But back to the original point: I beat the hell out of Brendan’s assertion that Rush listeners are poor and uneducated, and you people have helped me make that argument and well, notch another big victory.
Leave it to a giant like Rush to garner 131 posts in 24 hours on a liberal blog. That just illustrates his massive influence among all groups. Men of his influence come around maybe once every three or four generations.
BTW I’ve never ordered hot dogs through the mail, but I’d order the PJ $20 ones, $50 for hot dogs, no way.
I can hear Kristen now. Isn’t bowling pretty much a chainsmoking redneck sport?
Dan,
I have no anxiety over you or this blog. It can be fun at times to read, sometimes I just shake my head. But there are things in life that are important and may justify worry or anxiety, but a blog is not one.
As to the standard that I have set, I am not sure what you are referencing.
I will take your word for it, it was just a simple question. I have an autographed Big Bird picture and letter from my childhood, but no one from Sesame Street begged me for a guest appearance. Perhaps if I would have complained.
#115,
10 mile bike race? Suz, do you even ride a bike? No bikers do just 10 miles. Suz, you can’t even lie well anymore. My minimum ride is from my house out to green hill park, 26 miles round trip. I try to do 115 miles per week. Bring it any time you are ready, hot dog girl.
Face it, Suz, your fibs are starting to sound just as ridiculous as that other half-wit who paid $50 for mail order hot dogs.
Oh, wait a sec…
Debbie,
PJ doesn’t advertise on Rush. That’s why she wouldn’t buy it.
Suzie #136,
Or Suzie you can get your rump roasted on this blog for free!!
Since AB wholesales their products to restaurants, it’s a near guarantee that the retail price is a good 100% or so higher than what the restaurants pay. Having done a fair amount of wholesale ordering for retail, a 100% mark-up, or more, is quite common between the wholesale prices available for businesses that re-sell the products, and if the customer buys directly.
To illustrate, AB sells 8 of their 14-ounce Sirloins to a direct-purchase customer for a cool $314.95 ($44.99 per pound, or $39.36 per steak…which does not include taxes or shipping). I took a random selection off their list of ‘Who’s Serving’ and glanced through their menu. Delmonico’s serves the same exact 14-ounce Sirloin, and sells the finished steak for $35…LESS than AB sells directly to the customer, and you still have to cook it yourself!
Who’s getting screwed? Anyone who’s dumb enough to shell out to AB directly. And who does AB do a lot of marketing to? Rush listeners. But hey, AB found a way to snooker their customers into overpaying for a steak by linking to the Limbaugh show, so they’re the smartest ones of the whole bunch.
126
“If you’re running commercials on Rush’s show all the time, you have to goose the price to cover the cost of those, too.
Another example of why liberals can’t run businesses. Expenses don’t dictate the price you can charge. Only the market does.
Debbie,
Do you know that PJ’s taste better than AB? If you don’t, you can’t comment. It’s as silly as saying a more expensive restaurant “isn’t worth it”. It’s in the eye of the beholder. If all you can afford is PJ’s, then by all means buy PJ’s.
Sorry, that’s NY Strips…not Sirloins, I mentioned the wrong cut…the prices are correct though.
I decided to check another, so I looked at Emeril’s. They sell the 16 ounce NY Strip for $38, and it comes with butter, sauces, and onion straws included in the price. AB sells that particular cut directly to customers for #349.95 for 8 of them, or a nice $43.74 per pound and per steak. Once again, you pay LESS to eat at a restaurant than if you buy direct…and you get MORE for it!
So much for your assumption there, it’s busted.
You’re right Dan. She doesn’t like companies that show discriminating taste. BTW Suzie, not all of the posts on here have to do with Rush. Girl fails again!
Steve,
I left it at ten miles so you’d have a chance to finish, Skippy. But I have no intention of allowing you to race me. Getting bragging rights in a blog isn’t worth having some creep follow me home.
Basically, what I was trying to do was goad you into bellowing “I’m such a big man, I can beat any 110-lb woman” and making a horse’s a$$ of yourself (again). Of course you took the bait. Works every time.
Suzie, the only thing you have ever beaten “the hell out of” was your own self. You PROVE beyond doubt that the image people have of the average FlimFlambaugh listener is right on the money. The caricature you represent is so striking as to seem made up and exaggerated for effect just like your idol. The sad truth is that folks with money, some degree of power and education and a whole lot of anger and disdain for their fellow man is an average listener and you and Jack are the poster children. Plenty of service workers and factory employees tune in to the locked down tight right wing radio market and that is who L Flushbo plays to and folks like you lap it up like cream. Never conflate education with intelligence or money with integrity. That will always be a sucker bet. You destroy your own credibility.
There’s no such thing as “gourmet steak” that comes in the mail. There’s just suckers that pay for them…generally, educated successful people don’t drop $50 on a hotdog. But again, that’s Econ 101,42, 98.6 or whatever the heck you care to call it.
The Grandin farmers market offers beef, pork, and chicken right there, as well as opportunities to buy a share of an animal. I spoke with the guy who owns Bramble Farm out in Montvale, and he was eager for people to come up there to get their food so he can show them around to see how their food is being raised. I think we’re getting our Tgiving turkey out there.
“Your the sos..sonny..just keepn riding your trike..
Mu post was TOTAL TRUTH…”
Seriously, Jack?
“I can hear Kristen now.”
Comment by Suzie — August 19, 2010 @ 9:01 am
I wasn’t aware you were shopping for more voices in your head, but it’s an honor.
#139 Well then I’d just have to explain to Kristen that not only do fewer and fewer bowlers smoke now, but smoking in bowling alleys is outlawed because of Virginia’s law against smoking in restaurants. I’d also explain that I’ve bowled with everybody from chain-smoking blue-collar rednecks to millionaire business owners.
But Kristen said no such thing.
#133 So, Magpie, are you enjoying the way MM twists words and makes things up? That’s pretty much the way he operates if you post something he doesn’t care for.
I read something today about how bright Rush listeners are. More than one-third of conservative Republicans believe Obama is Muslim. Talk about dimwitted.
#149 VRWC has already attested that Steve is in very good shape. I guess you don’t believe a fellow conservative.
BTW, it was your good buddy Jack/Tony who started all this “bellowing” about being able to beat somebody at a sport.
Magpie, Sandi’s ilk are anyone who would rather refer to a person as a color instead of a ‘man’ or ‘woman’.
So now you are saying that politicians more often earn money honestly than entertainers do?? Come on, Magpie…
“Another example of why liberals can’t run businesses. Expenses don’t dictate the price you can charge. Only the market does.” Funny, when we discuss sales/meals taxes or corporate taxes, they always “get tacked on” but in this context, the “market decides”. Can you make up your “minds”?
Magoie, you are making a valiant effort but Marked Man likes his status and will wallow alone if necessary. Remember, “…besides the pig likes it”!
“Men of his influence come around maybe once every three or four generations”
Comment by Suzie — August 19, 2010 @ 8:23 am
Yes, rush is universally adored…
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4872622-503544.html
SteveC, where is that Fresh Market?
#154- gdad, I don’t think he’s making things up, but he is twisting words. Whether it’s all intentional or not, I don’t know Mark personally. Concerning what we’d been discussing, I was aware of the surface debate between the usage of these different terms but have since found more in-depth background. From what I’ve read, it just confirms what we’ve been talking about.
Mark, if you have some different information I’d like to see it. And that was not said in a sarcastic manner either.
“Black” and “African American” came about as a result of the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s. They chose these terms and defined themselves as such, because it was a self-definition process for identity, power, defiance, pride, and their struggle for human rights. They are still used and accepted today by many black people and others around the world as an inoffensive description.
“n***as” or “n***ers” is a common ethnic slur. Here’s an article that covers how these words came about and their usage today. Richard Pryor did use these terms, but in 1979 at the height of his success he visited Africa. Upon returning to the US, he swore he’d never use the word “n***er” in his stand-up comedy routine again.
“Black hearers often react differently to the term (“n***as” or ““n***ers””) when it is used by white speakers and by black speakers. In the former case, it is regularly understood as an insult; in the latter, it may carry notes of in-group disparagement, or even be understood as neutral or affectionate, a possible instance of reappropriation.” Most black people think there’s a difference if a white person uses the word “Black” and “African American” versus “n***as” or “n***ers”.
Oh, I forgot; Golden Corral girl prizes her privacy too much to show us how skinny/rich/good looking/ educated/successful she is, because, like, its common knowledge every man naturally would want to stalk her ancient 55 y.o. decrepit carcass.
Tell you what, tubby, how ‘bout you prove what a biking studette you are by posting a picture of the cumulative mileage that you have on you cyclo-computer? That way you could shut me up once and for all and prove to me that you’re not merely an uneducated loud mouthed hick? As soon as you can do that I’ll stop calling you the Golden Corral Goddess, the Hot Dog eating hick, the irrational rush retard, and the plump Plumbers wife.
I didn’t realize that Hooked On Phonics was one of Rush’s advertisers, but give the guy a break…he’s clearly trying to improve his listenership.
Weird how Carson kept asking you who you thought you were, Dan. “I’m not a bitter, fat, gasbag, for one.”
Fresh Market is at Towers Shopping Center, on the Colonial Avenue side.
Magpie, also notice Sandi skirts the question about how she refers to dark brown-skinned people? As dark-browns? Or blacks? Or darker-than-mes?
Magpie, I can show you documents from the 1800′s that refer to a man as ‘a black’ and more documents that show ownership of “38 blacks”… not 38 people or men and women…
Steve, I’ve been to Fresh Market several times…but making a trip down to Towers just for them is way out of my way…it takes an hour to get there. We usually go by there when we’re in the Roanoke area for several things at the same time. But thanks to Christiansburg allowing everything under the sun to build by the NRV Mall, we don’t come down there often anymore. They do have some awesome cuts of meat though…the best I’ve seen outside of Whole Foods or the old-time custom butcher shop that used to be in the Acredale part of VA Beach at the intersection of Kempsville Road & Indian River Road. Sadly, it’s now a mattress dealer.
#157 See, Magpie, MM takes a comment that refers to color for a very good reason and tries to turn that person into someone “who would rather refer to a person as a color instead of a ‘man’ or ‘woman’,” which, of course, is not the case at all. I never refer to my friends or acquaintances or even a stranger on the street as a color. They are people. Those same people refer to color when they have discussions that involve race because it’s unavoidable. Yet when we have a discussion about race, MM has to fall back on lobbing the “racist” bomb because he has nothing else.
“Face it, Suz, your fibs are starting to sound just as ridiculous as that other half-wit who paid $50 for mail order hot dogs.”
Oh, wait a sec… About as half witted as not eating somewhere you really seem to enjoy because of the politics of the owner. Rock-on Steve!
Why do you libtards care so much what others spend their money on?
“Your the sos..sonny..just keepn riding your trike..
Mu post was TOTAL TRUTH…”
Seriously, Jack?”
Seriously,you know what I meant
“Tell you what, tubby, how ‘bout you prove what a biking studette you are by posting a picture of the cumulative mileage that you have on you cyclo-computer? That way you could shut me up once and for all and prove to me that you’re not merely an uneducated loud mouthed hick? As soon as you can do that I’ll stop calling you the Golden Corral Goddess, the Hot Dog eating hick, the irrational rush retard, and the plump Plumbers wife.”
Steve never ever talks issues,he just name calls like the rest of the leftist weaklings on this blog.If his body is in good shape,his mouth certainly isnt.Ever make an actual point?
gdad, you call assuming that a homeless person’s voice you hear on the radio is automatically ‘a black’ a very good reason???
you are sickening…
No Suzie, I don’t know that they taste better, as I have never had either one. I do know that their products that I have had are of excellent quality. I will pay $80.00 dollars for a ham that feeds 10 people and still leaves a lot left over. I consider that a bargain. I will not pay $50.00 for hot dogs, unless I am getting a large quantity of them. I can afford them, but I have common sense.
Where are the politicians I mentioned, Mark? For some reason you seem to be stuck on that one word while ignoring everything else. As I mentioned in post #112 “I named a non-profit Foundation that runs programs in education, healthcare and economic development, a record company, an investment magazine, and last on my list was Black America’s Political Action Committee. Do you know anything about them? http://www.bampac.org/default.asp”
As to your reply- “Sandi’s ilk are anyone who would rather refer to a person as a color instead of a ‘man’ or ‘woman’.” Yes, I’ve noticed that you also berate people like Suzie and Jack about this. Although I’ve seemed to have missed that. Could you please point that out in this thread? Also, maybe you’ve written letters and/or e-mails berating the places like the ones I mentioned above (the one’s who do refer to themselves and others by a color). Do you have copies of that and their replies that you could forward to Dan?
By the way, when I get the hams at Christmas, shipping is free.
#166- Yes, and Mark the article I referenced (with the link) covered from that time up to now. Do yours? You are still side-stepping this issue.
Please answer back to what was brought up in comment #161. Starting with “‘Black’ and ‘African American’ came about as a result of the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s. They chose these terms and defined themselves as such…” And please don’t use, well some blacks call themselves n***as or n***ers to “reference themselves in that manner then it must make it okay for everyone else to do so??” I already addressed that in the last paragraph of #161.
I don’t talk issues with drunks, Jack. Get back to me when you sober up. For God’s sakes, Man, it’s only noon!
Walker, I spend my money the same way that I vote. I don’t shop with merchants who might spend my hard earned money on causes that conflict with my beliefs.
There’s hundreds of restaurants in the valley. Why patronize an owner that pisses me off? That’s just as asinine as buying $50 hot dogs! What’s so hard to understand about that?
Jack,
Yesterday at 5:00 you couldn’t even form a coherent thought, and now you want to be taken seriously?
The only person you should be trying to start a dialogue with is a substance abuse counselor.
I hope you get help. I really mean that. I’ve seen how alcohol can destroy people and its never a pretty ending. I might be making fun of you, but believe me, I wouldn’t wish alcoholism on my worst enemy. Being your age and getting hammered at 5:00 is only going to lead to pain and suffering for yourself and everyone close to you.
Sorry if my comments hurt your feelings, but drunks have caused me a lot of pain and I tend to be judgmental and hyper sensitive with your ilk. If it bothers you, you can either sober up (preferred) or not post when you’re hammered. I realize what you’re dealing with and would give you the shirt off my back and my last dime if it would help.
Jack, Tony, I heart you, but I have absolutely no clue what that meant.
I absolutely love Fresh Market and am so glad it’s close to home. Their meat is beautiful, but their seafood is also good and they have the best pre-made sushi I’ve tasted in Roanoke. If you have a yen for a spicy tuna roll and don’t feel like dropping $50 at Ben Gui, head for FM.
Is there an actual free-standing butcher around here?
The AB meat sounds great on their website Suzie. If you’re happy with it, more power to you. I never said the PJ meats were better, I was just responding to your remarks about rubes not ordering through the mail.
Hey Suzie,
I was in the Roanoke Natural Foods Coop today and they have all-beef, hormone- and nitrates-free hot dogs for $7.19 a pack (each package is one pound. I’m sure they’re just as good as those $50 AB dogs that Fed Ex delivers.
Kristen… There used to be a butcher shop on Williamson Road, out near Peters Creek. I think they may be gone now. I believe there are still a few shops in Salem.
Magpie, I’ve already stated that them being called ‘blacks’ came about before the 1960s… I swear.
Okay Magpie, I apologize. You explicitly mentioned Government organizations… which, in some countries, evokes thoughts of politics.
#183- Mark, explain the point you want to make with that comment a little further (no sarcasm intended). Are you trying to say that whites called them that before the 60s, that’s true but what does it have to do with my comment? My quote said that it was in the 60′s when black people started defining themselves as “blacks”.
I’ve also seen a lot of blogs, links, articles, etc… of black people saying they should stop identifying themselves as African Americans or n***as or n***ers, but I’ve yet to run across anything about how they should stop identifying themselves as black. I’m not saying it’s not out there. I just haven’t seen it. Did you also see my post #173?
# 170 Hey, hey, Jack, “leftist weaklings” isn’t name calling, eh? There are not many of us on here who don’t resort to name calling, including you with a frequency you might wish to go back and check before calling others out on the subject.
Mark, in this country we are supposed to be the Government. I definitely didn’t mention politicians, and I don’t think I’ve ever lumped them all together. If I have, then I definitely didn’t mean to.
MMM
The day that you recognize and criticize the extreme racism exhibited in
the frequent posts from Suzie, Jack, DD, and Henry on this blog is the day
that you will gain some credibility. Your refusal to do so and play your
semantic game over and over and over ad infinitum simply seeks to obfuscate the issue and brands you with the same brush that paints them.
Magpie has blown you out of the water and still you persist.
#171 Nobody’s buying your distortions of what I said, MM. Give it up. Even one of the posters who respects your opinion on here is getting frustrated with your nonsensical crap.
176.”I don’t talk issues with drunks, Jack. Get back to me when you sober up. For God’s sakes, Man, it’s only noon!”
You dont talk issues with anyone.Here again,name calling.
I reiterate..ever make a point?
” Hey, hey, Jack, “leftist weaklings” isn’t name calling, eh?”
Thats pretty mild compared to what gets said around here.
Magpie, I’ve seen a lot of blogs, links, articles where ‘black’ people would prefer to be referred to simply as ‘people’. What’s your point??
@177 – Sounds like a logical explanation. Must be awfully hard to make your purchasing decisions. So do you survey card that you hand out everywhere you shop. What about a database, so you can keep track? LOL
Who’s asanine?
What’s the big deal with expensive meat? Why do you care what someone else buys.
Any of you lefty crybabies ever dropped some cash on a good bottle of champagne or wine or scotch? (probably not because there is cheaper stuff available) I bet you guys are fun at parties.
We don’t care that much about big expensive meat that much, Walker.
Rush’s listeners are rich stupid shut-ins, and AB Steaks knows that, othewise they wouldn’t advertise on Rush’s show.
If those listeners want to blow their money on $50 packs of hot dogs, that’s cool.
But it’s still stupid, and it’s fun to laugh at them for it.
“The day that you recognize and criticize the extreme racism exhibited in
the frequent posts from Suzie, Jack, DD, and Henry”
Were not racists,we live in the REAL world not the PC wonderland that you do.The truth is not racist.
142
“PJ doesn’t advertise on Rush. That’s why Suzie wouldn’t buy it.”
Good point. Me and about 20 million other people heard of Allen Brothers because of Rush’s show. Meanwhile nobody’s heard of PJ’s. Could be they advertised on liberal talk radio. Oh, that’s right, there isn’t a liberal talk radio anymore. They couldn’t get advertisers.
You’ve heard about it now, Suzie. And it didn’t cost PJ’s a dime.
194
Rush listeners are rich stupid shut-ins
Yes, people earning large amounts of disposable income are stupid shut-ins. It’s the poor people are the really smart ones running the country and jet-setting around the world. Movers and shakers, these folks, yet they’re all poor.
It must be truly exhausting for you leftards to try to construct a reality that fits your distorted view of the world.
#195 Jack: “The truth is not racist.”
Please enlighten us, Jack… What IS the truth?
Suzie, believe it or not, but most rich people don’t listen to Rush, nor are they shut ins.
Dan,
How would you know most rich people don’t listen to Rush?
Marked Man, how about you worry about getting your own obnoxious crap under control before you worry about me and my “ilk”? You start this stupidity over and over like you have trouble letting go, NEVER call out a Conservative, no matter how racist or ignorant, but you are all over any liberal or intelligent sounding poster. You have no credibility, not with me and my ilk and not with people of color from what I can tell. I have mentioned evidence of what people prefer to call themselves. If you use Caucasians and African-Americans that is your choice. Plenty of people have chosen to be called “black” and “white” as that is the easiest and simplest basic designation.
Not all black people are from Africa so there is no universal description in a conversation involving race. Not all swarthy people are Hispanic or from Mexico or even South America. Not all people from the Orient or Asia are easily identified or labeled. It is never an easy process.
I call people by their names if I know it, but there appearance if not. Does that mean that a person could look white and not be or look black and not be? Sure it does. There is no term for race, ethnicity or religion that is fool proof. There are absolutely words that are insulting, racist, disrespectful and hurtful. My black friends have always used “black” and “white” when describing race and I do as well. If you don’t like it, you are free to kiss my big fat white butt and get over it. Caring what you think or what you think I should say is not even on my list.
Good grief dave!! I cannot call out everyone that uses the racist moniker ‘black’ to refer to a person!!
Take two Preparation-H and some prune juice and call me in the morning, dave.
Suzie, believe it or not, but most rich people don’t listen to Rush, nor are they shut ins.
Comment by Dan Casey — August 19, 2010 @ 6:08 pm
Rush’s listeners are rich stupid shut-ins.
Comment by Dan Casey — August 19, 2010 @ 5:20 pm
And you people wonder why Girl is undefeated? Fish..in..a..barrel.
Look at my past posts…youll see it.
Say dave, how many ‘yellows’ did that Democrat Truman slaughter back in your day??
Ohh, that is offensive?? But only because there aren’t nationally recognized groups like ‘Nat’l Assoc. for the Advancement of Yellow People’ or the ‘Yellow Panthers’ or the ‘Yellow Entertainment Television’ or ‘Young Yellow Leaders of America’???
But if there were, then it would be okay to call them a color?!?
No Jack. You live in the world where as you so cleverly put it “we call a spade a spade” . No veiled racism in that comment at all. Especially in
in the context in which you spouted it.
I don’t know if the average FlimFlamBaugh listener is a “Shut in” or not but I believe they are a closed mind seeking reinforcement for their bias, racism and disdain for anyone not “like them”. Anyone who could spend a significant part of their day listening to him and his bombastic, insulting, dishonest treatment of the political and cultural topics of this nation has something rotten inside them that needs to be fed rotten bile to exist. He has been proven to not care about honesty or decency and shatters all sense of humility, nobility and enlightenment. He makes being a cave man acceptable and in his bunkered world, that is acceptable. In the real world, people like him are not so richly rewarded, ergo they “hide” it.
Suzie, PJ’s was featured on that liberal show, The Food Network a few yrs ago. Their ham was said to be delicious, so I gave it a try. Unlike Rush, it was truth in advertising.
#191- Ok, Mark. I’d really like to see all those links that say that, but it’s obvious that you really don’t believe what you’ve been saying. One strong indicator is that you pick and choose who to direct your “righteous” anger at. I’ve answered your questions, but you sidestep mine. I don’t mind debating or learning a different side to an issue, but your constant evasion and “jokey” manner is not something I prefer to continue the back-and-forth with.
Obviously (to anyone who ever took logic in college), Suzie never took logic in college.
#211, Dan: I don’t believe Suzie ever went to college.
I won’t bother pointing out that she lost a different argument in this thread earlier either. It’s like the kid who strikes out at tee-ball, but their parents take them out for ice cream after the game and tell them they did a good job. Except it’s all happening within the same person.
207.”No Jack. You live in the world where as you so cleverly put it “we call a spade a spade”
A spade is a card..
Magpie
Mark has been sidestepping those same questions that others have raised with him time and again on this blog. His typical response to any issue
that either I or gDad raise with his comments is to blow back and make
disparaging comments about our age. You will never get him to address
this issue concretely, just as he never would address directly the issue
when he was called out for his egotistical assertion that he knew four times as much about real estate and about young people in higher education than any four other posters on this blog. He thinks his disparaging jokes about anybody over 50 are funny and that no one ever
has a legitimate point but him. You have done an outstanding job of
answering and refuting his misguided fixation and his inability to
criticize the truly racist remarks made by the people he continues to defend. I agree with you 100% that it is time to disengage this conversation.
Sandi, that’s fine that you have friends of that ‘black race’ that you refer to as ‘a color’ or ‘colored’. Maybe you should ask them if they prefer being called a ‘colored’ or ‘a person’?? Do you owe them money or something or do you believe simply having an obama=God sticker on your big fat bumper allows you to call them whatever you want??
Oh and regarding your last couple of lines, no thanks, I prefer classy women who take care of themselves.
MMM
It is clear that you prefer the callow and arrogant stupidity of youth
to the experienced wisdom of age. The sad thing is that someday you will
inevitably be that older person and if your current attitude is any
indication, you will have no wisdom to offer. As I grew older, I was amazed at how wise and intelligent my father became when he was so
stupid when I was young. You, young man, have a lot to learn and a long way to fall.
Magpie (and the SS), Magpie wrote ” Yes, I’ve noticed that you also berate people like Suzie and Jack about this. Although I’ve seemed to have missed that. Could you please point that out in this thread?”
Now, the SS, even Magpie notices that i equally disdain Suzie or Jack or anyone else using the term. Didn’t they take your blinders off before they put you up this evening??
Magpie, I didnt understand what you meant in your question above here or I would have gladly answered it.
dave, I never said I was a young man or that I was under 50… for that matter, I never said you were an old man or over 50. You do however write and relate in a tendency that someone with problems comprehending and communicating effectively would possess, i.e. someone in a retirement home perhaps. For all I know, you could be 25, or 18, or 30… I really dont care. I do know your struggle with interpretation and memory may be equivalent of someone of a very advanced age. I hope this clears it up?
#217- “A man’s age is something impressive, it sums up his life: maturity reached slowly and against many obstacles, illnesses cured, griefs and despairs overcome, and unconscious risks taken; maturity formed through so many desires, hopes, regrets, forgotten things, loves. A man’s age represents a fine cargo of experiences and memories.”
~Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, Wartime Writings 1939-1944, translated from French by Norah Purcell
Dave, callow was a good word choice. Anyone who makes snide references to another person’s older age, flippantly tosses aside all the experiences and life lessons that person has lived and sometimes barely survived through. Callow indeed.
Callow: Lacking adult maturity, or experience; childishly foolish; immature.
When I was in third grade, my girlfriend was a Catholic. It was too young to care or for it to matter to me. My old crotchety geezer great uncle — who avidly hated Catholics for some reason — found out about it and gave me hell. Worse, long afterwards — years afterwards — he kept reminding me of it and berating me for it. He carried his bitterness and hatred for Catholics and his insensitivity and callousness toward me to his grave. Marked Man (Mark) reminds me of my old geezer great uncle, forever harping on the same tired themes, either too senile or too bitter to drop it after everyone lets him know they’re tired of it. I’m beginning to think ol’ MMM is a lot older than he’d have us believe. His discriminatory jibes against senior citizens only amplify it. Maybe he’s always reminding people to take their Geritol and get a good night’s sleep because he’s intimately familiar with how that works …
That should be “I was too young to care …”
#217 Yes, dave, you’re right. MM pretends to be outraged at the use of “black” yet finds it perfectly OK to ridicule older folks. I mean, why not just call them people rather than refer to them by their age or what he imagines to be their infirmities? What better example of his hypocrisy and/or disingenuousness.
Thanks, MM. You step into deeper doo-doo with every post.
209 Debbie
“Suzie, PJ’s was featured on that liberal show, The Food Network a few yrs ago. Their ham was said to be delicious, so I gave it a try. Unlike Rush, it was truth in advertising.”
Debbie was trying to be cute, but she’s unwittingly correct. The Food Network is owned by Scripps, the liberal newspaper publisher.
Charlie 212
“#211, Dan: I don’t believe Suzie ever went to college.”
That would mean your whole side is getting slapped around by somebody with a just high school education. Are you sure you want to go that way?
Wow. The Great One Elrushbo is now up to 226 posts in a liberal blog. Amazing! I believe this is second only to the thread in which I dropped Warlock in just two posts (for my 698th and most famous victory) in the much-ballyhooed debate on the existence of God.
Suzie, the “let’s rename Liberty University” and the Darwin threads got way more comments.
MMM @ 9:13
As usual you use semantics to evade the issue. I have interpreted you exactly correctly. You hide behind semantics to justify what you know are racist comments to justify the poltical agenda you share with the bloggers
whose comments are truly racist and ignorant. And just for your
information, my memory is actually quite good. As a matter of fact, the only blank spot in it after today is going to be the spot where you no
longer exist. Hasta la vista, baby!
A good chunk of this thread wasn’t even about Rush. How many comments related only to mail-order meats?
Dan, the Darwin: scientist or Satan thread had more than 400 posts, Liberty re-naming more than 300. On the RT blog a couple weeks ago, there was a thread that went over 500 posts. So in terms of your blog, this one is 4th from what I can tell. Who knew $50 hot dogs could drive so many posts?
OJ,
What was the RT thread that had more than 500 posts?
“That would mean your whole side is getting slapped around by somebody with a just high school education. Are you sure you want to go that way?” Why not, “your side” does! You have the credibility (and the friends) of a rattlesnake. The record for your receiving slap downs is local legend, giving them? Not so much.
Re:Debbie was trying to be cute, but she’s unwittingly correct. The Food Network is owned by Scripps, the liberal newspaper publisher.
Comment by Suzie — August 20, 2010 @ 10:52 am
Who cares, besides you.
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On the RT blog a couple weeks ago, there was a thread that went over 500 posts.
Then the RT editors must have taken turns using fictitious names. That place is a graveyard lately. And if T Witten, (a welcome addition here) defects, that will leave Sandi blabbering to herself.
I still find it truly amazing that the metro blog with one staffer beats the stuffing out of the political blog with three staffers — on political issues.
Maybe when it’s Dan R.’s birthday somebody can get him a Dale Carnegie book.
T Witten has been hanging on this blog for a long time, Suzie. He doesn’t always post with your frequency, though.
“#217 Yes, dave, you’re right. MM pretends to be outraged at the use of “black” yet finds it perfectly OK to ridicule older folks. I mean, why not just call them people rather than refer to them by their age or what he imagines to be their infirmities? What better example of his hypocrisy and/or disingenuousness.” – gdad
But its okay for you and dave to call people here on this blog ‘fat cows’ or ‘dry drunks’? What a real man you are!!
http://blogs.roanoke.com/roundtable/2010/07/12/editorial-chipping-away-at-discrimination/
562 posts, a pretty lively thread that spanned more than a week.
And there’s been numerous posts there that have garnered more than 25 comments in recent weeks. Granted, it’s not nearly as lively as it is here because their posts are almost always issues-based, and those get old after a while…whereas here we get issues, humor, off-the-wall, and completely random stuff to comment on, which not only keeps folks coming more frequently, but it seems to generate a wider variety of comments.
Anybody care to count how many of the posts on this thread came from the
rush-worshipping Suzie?
“Maybe he’s always reminding people to take their Geritol and get a good night’s sleep because he’s intimately familiar with how that works” – AF
“That should be “I was too young to care …” – AF
LOL, sounds like maybe dave should hook you up with some??
“What was the RT thread that had more than 500 posts?”
I saw one about gay marriage on there with over 300,that was one of the many times Ive been “banned” from the RT.Heres what he wrote me right before I responded and Rad banned me
“This is a family blog, sir, and no personal attacks are allowed. If you cannot make your point without resorting to such extreme language and insult, we do not want you participating.
Understand?”
Dan Radmacher
Editorial Page Editor
The Roanoke Times
(540) 981-3356
Heres my response
“I dont recall any foul language,but if your referring to me telling Will that he needs mental and spiritual help I stand by it.and far as your blog, SHOVE IT..
Understand?”
The RT Blog is alive and well. Gay Marriage was the huge boon to postings and it was a clobberapalooza! Suzie hates that they have standards and behavior terms she and some others cannot manage to abide by and they do not allow the lies, insults and attacks that people here get away with routinely. People like a train-wreck; that does not make it enlightening discourse!
Suz, you need to get out more, girl. Seriously; there is more to life then surfing RT Blogs all day. Fresh air in body does wonders for your mental acuity.
Honestly, if the best conspiracy theory that you can come up with is that the evil liberal RT editors are subverting liberty by posting with fictitious names, then it’s time to switch hobbies; you obviously suck at putting together a coherent thought today.
Hey, I know; you could go ride your non-existing bike or take a break and have a $50 hot dog! Whatever, just log off for a bit, unwind the tin-foil hat a touch, and let the sweet flow of increased oxygenated blood clear your head of all this delusional silly-talk. You’ll be better in a couple of hours.
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Marked Man (Mark): “LOL, sounds like maybe dave should hook you up with some??”
Don’t laugh too hard, MMM — you might spit your false teeth out again.
Suze, 225–I might be reluctant, IF my “side” were getting slapped around.
If you’re actually seeing the results you claim, I feel sorry for you.
#236 Uh, MM, I called a well-known politician a dry drunk, a description that quite a few alcoholism experts agree with after studying the Shrub’s general behavior. Even the RTEB roundtable with its much stricter rules allows that type of posting. You, OTH, call people on this blog names regularly. And you do it in a way that sometimes categorizes them in exactly the same way you accuse others of categorizing people.
Quite a difference.
As OJ pointed out Suzie, that vast majority of posts on this thread, had nothing whatsoever to do with Rush. I thought you had to know math and logic to be an engineer?
Jack 240
If you don’t kiss Sheriff Rad’s a**, he’ll take out his plastic badge and toy gun in a hurry.
Sandi,
The fact that your nasty posts still appear in the RT blog proves they apply their supposed standards of decorum very selectively.
The editors themselves are the worst offenders, yet they have the thinnest skin of anybody. They say provocative things, then delete your responses. That’s pretty chickens*** in my book.
“You, OTH, call people on this blog names regularly. And you do it in a way that sometimes categorizes them in exactly the same way you accuse others of categorizing people.” – gdad
LOL, you have used the term ‘fat cow’ to describe people on this blog before. I dare you to find a name that I have outright called someone before that even approaches that.
I can say that you and dave communicate like people of a very advanced age if want to. Just as Dan can call someone a ‘black’ because they live in a dumpster or like you can call George Bush a ‘shrub’ because he is smarter than you.
“A description that quite a few alcoholism experts agree with after studying the Shrub’s general behavior.” – gdad
I could pull a Magpie and ask you for your sources there or pull a Sandi and ask for a link that survey or pull a varlock and ask for a peer-reviewed study on that…. but I shall refrain.
MMM,
There were some articles in major publication that essentially diagnosed Bush as a dry drunk. A dry drunk is someone who quits the sauce but doesn’t deal with the underlying problems that resulted in their alcoholism in the first place, and who as a result displays clouded thinking. Certainly staying off the stuff is a hard thing for an addict to do, whether they try to deal with the underlying cause or not. Bush deserves some credit for that.
One of the better known articles to broach this view was by Katherine van Wormer, a professor of social work at the University of N. Iowa and the author of “Addiction Treatment: A Strengths Perspective (2002).
So I guess we can say 0bama is a dry cokehead? No one can accuse him of clear thinking. He certainly isn’t going to win any wars or bring about a 14,000 DOW or 5% unemployment.
Yeah well Suzie, your “book” and five dollars might get you a cup of coffee but you hung your own credibility for the sake of an insult so quit yer bitchin’ because you got what you deserved for being pathologically unable to be a decent human being and offer honest debate and discussion instead of attacks and lies! You made your bed, let it go.
Suzie, Jack, Marked Man, Vast Right Wing and Al are all proof that you CAN say anything about anyone. For it to matter, you need a modicum of credibility, decency and sanity. Therein lies the rub!
BTW, did Obama get a DUI so you have some basis for that specious nonsense Stupzie?
DUI Stops Bush From Freely Entering Canada
Dan, here is a must better breakdown of the article by Katherine van (Dean) Wormer, (astute studier of lesbians in prison):
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/vanwormer.htm
#249- That was smart to refrain, Mark, because he just might be able to provide sources. I notice that you don’t refrain from challenging VVarlock to the same when you two are in a dispute, and that’s because that subject is more nebulous. Those “facts” are not as grounded in hard science, statistics, etc… and much easier to refute.
Mark, I also noticed that you only listed two moderates and a liberal. What no ultra-conservatives or 99% conservative? There are plenty that usually post links, stats or figures on here constantly.
This sounds just like Suzie.
What is the dry drunk syndrome? “Dry drunk” traits consist of:
Exaggerated self-importance and pomposity
Grandiose behavior
A rigid, judgmental outlook
Impatience
Childish behavior
Irresponsible behavior
Irrational rationalization
Projection Overreaction
Magpie I could care less about Liberal vs. Conservative… if i find someone i want to vote for, i vote for them, no matter their party.
So do you call ‘brown’ people ‘blacks’ too? That was smart of you and Sandi to refrain from answering that as well..
258.”SNIP “Dry drunk” traits consist of:
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The terms “dry drunk” or “dry drunk syndrome” are often tossed around. But as far as I have read it is not a medical diagnosis and nearly every site seems to have a different set of signs, traits, symptoms, etc.
Curious as to where these came from.
Mark,
Your comments and only picking on certain groups of people (always liberals or moderates) sure due prove that you “could care less about Liberal vs. Conservative…” (sarcasm definitely intended.)
I’ve answered all your questions. You avoid mine. Let’s start with you first. You say that you berate anyone who used the word “black” or a racist tone. I see that you did do that, although only with people you don’t consider a conservative. If that’s false. Could you please point out where you had “your talk” with Suzie or Jack? You don’t even have to look on another thread. Also, since you feel so strongly about this matter, you must have written letters and/or e-mails berating the places like the ones I mentioned above (the one’s who do refer to themselves and others by a color). Do you have copies of that and their replies that you could forward to Dan?
#259- “So do you call ‘brown’ people ‘blacks’ too?” Mark, you’re obviously asking the wrong people. Go directly to the source. Why don’t you ask all the places and people who identify themselves as black that question. Everyone seems to be taking their cue from these places and people. If you want it to stop- go to the source, or do you stand around trying to clean up an overflow instead of turning off the faucet to begin with?
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What is the dry drunk syndrome? “Dry drunk” traits consist of:
Exaggerated self-importance and pomposity
Grandiose behavior
A rigid, judgmental outlook
Impatience
Childish behavior
Irresponsible behavior
Irrational rationalization
Projection Overreaction
Wow. This is 0bama to a tee. His lavish vacations, his sense that he’s a god and doesn’t have to explain himself, blaming others for his problems, irrational partying while the economy suffers, and simplistic naivete in foreign relations.
Bush, on the other hand was a humble man, a nose-to-the-grindstone guy. No sense of entitlement Worked hard every day, saw the fight against terrorism in Iraq through to the end. Put others ahead of himself A very mature man; the complete opposite of 0bama.
No Mags, I haven’t written letters to any of the ‘black’ organizations that support the ‘black’ rights of those ‘black’ people and their ‘black’ ideas. If you would like, I will be glad to write some to PETA lauding them for calling them ‘people’ instead of ‘blacks’. I would be glad to write some letters to organizations for NOT calling living people a color.
Mark, this isn’t about me disagreeing with an opinion of yours. This is something different. I used to believe that you were serious about this issue. Maybe at one time you were. Now you just use it as a tool to needle people who don’t share your political viewpoint. If you truly felt strongly about the “wrongness” of this, then your anger would cross all Party lines. Your actions prove otherwise.
@Mark/259…That’s how I go now with political choices. I used to do the party-line voting, but haven’t done that in a long time now. I’ve found that doing that I can find some very good candidates who are most deserving. I’ve unfortunately also voted for some folks and wished I could have taken back my vote!
BTW, the arguments over race/color are getting to be quite humorous…I’m sitting here laughing quite a bit as I read the tennis-like back and forth.
And the golf was a lot of fun today, thanks again. Hopefully next time we’ll both bring some good shots to the course for an entire round. And hopefully I’ll have a new 5-wood by then, darn tree! I’m still laughing over that one…
OJ, you’ve met Mark in person. Most of us, or maybe no one else on here has. I might think differently about his motives too if I knew him outside this forum. Of course if he were so different, I would ask him why he only acts a certain way on here. If you were only judging by the way he posts on this board, you’d have a hard time agreeing that he “could care less about Liberal vs. Conservative…”
I don’t know if you guys discussed, even very briefly, this “back-and-forth”, but it seems your response confirms what I’ve realized. That this really isn’t a serious issue for Mark. He’s just using it to needle and/or spoof certain people with it.
OJ,
I should probably explain that last post further, because that may have sounded antagonistic. And that wasn’t my intent. Consider your comment from a different view. You have people debating a subject about racial issues, which is almost always a painful or touchy subject. If everyone was serious and expressing their feelings honestly, why would someone find that humorous? (I’m not talking about the type of person who thinks racial matters are a joke.) Now maybe someone would find it humorous if one of the participants weren’t serious about it at all, and they were just using it as an excuse to make fun of the others who did take it seriously.
You don’t come across as the type of person who would make fun of a painful subject, and you know Mark better than the rest of us. You also met with him while this “back-and-forth” was going on. Basing it on these factors and the others in this thread, do you understand how someone might think Mark was using this subject in a way different than he claimed? I’m not saying it’s accurate, but can you see how I could come to that conclusion?
Magpie, I’m not even looking at it from an angle of having met Mark. I’m just looking at the actual comments in retrospect and it’s seriously verging on hilarious all around because it seems so utterly absurd in a way.
I think to an extent most people take one of the statements that Rush Limbaugh lives by and uses it when it suits them, and it’s ‘Demonstrating absurdity by being absurd.’ What that entails is taking a premise one deems to be absurd, and going in a rather absurd opposite direction with it, making a quite humorous, and absurd argument in return.
I’ve thought that for quite a long time about many of the arguments/debates that happens here, this one included. I’ve found myself laughing at the race/color debates here for many weeks because I find it amazing that so much energy has been put into it. I know people are making serious arguments though, and I don’t discount that. I just try to read between the lines of the humor and sarcasm to find the point of a statement. That can be hard at times, it seems this blog has a collection of sarcastic masters who can lay it on really thick. That’s part of why it’s so damn entertaining to keep up with it!
OJ, so what do you find absurd about it? That Mark keeps harping on this subject every single time someone, who disagrees with his political view, calls someone black? Or do you find it absurd that people bring attention to the fact that he’s doing it?
In a lot of ways, I have to agree with Mark that it is absurd to label a people by a color. It is certainly very politically incorrect to refer to people of Native American or Asian decent by the colors often used in a derogatory manner about them, so I can see the point he makes in references to people of African or similar decent as well. In many ways, the absurdity of the back and forth gave me reason to think more deeply about it. And the more I do, the more I tend to dislike arbitrary labeling of people along any line, because to do so inherently keeps us all divided along said lines. And that, to me, is absurd in and of itself.
The only thing absurd about this issue is Marked Man’s insistence that using the word “black” in virtually any context is as demeaning as using “red” or “yellow”. African-American is an appellation that some people prefer but it can and sometimes is not correct. Having to describe someone as “of another race” or “having very dark skin pigmentation” is absurdly PC when “black” has been not only accepted and used by all races. The word alone has no connotation other than confirming you mean someone with darker skin than white people. Are you equally offended by people using “white people”? “Caucasian” is such a fusty word to me and I refuse to use it or “Negro”. I have and do know enough black people who tell me that is perfectly acceptable to them if the need arises to identify someone’s race. I can certainly agree that in most contexts, “race” is and should be irrelevant, but in a conversation on race, or when there is a need to clarify race, it is stupid to say you are racist to use the word “black” or “white”. No one can deny it is a sticky wicket; Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Indian, Pakistani and Vietnamese people do not “all look the same”, but they can all be called Asian. Native Americans and people from India do not “all look the same” but they are both called “Indians” in common conversation. IMO this whole issue is hard enough to fathom without Marked Man pretending to be ElFlushBo every time he sees the word “black”. “Black” is just like “boy”, completely innocuous words but anyone can tell when they are being used as a racial epithet.
OJ, I definitely agree with Mark’s stated opinion on it and said so in one of the first debates on this. I also explained that the majority of people are just going by what many “black” people refer to themselves as and… well you know all that stuff I already commented about.
The only problem I have with Mark on this issue, is his own blatant prejudice. If you think about it, that’s what’s funny (not in a haha way). While proclaiming that people shouldn’t be singled out because of their ethnic background, he singles people out by their political party. Like I said, I would have no problem if he were castigating everyone equally- no matter what their race, religion or in this case political views.
Rush. It’s time to “go gently in the night”! You have reached the “point of no return”.