‘Young gun’ from Virginia pimps constitutional change
Rep. Eric Cantor, incoming House Majority Leader
A really silly bandwagon is playing here in Virginia, and now on Capitol Hill — a Tea Party-inspired movement not to uphold the U.S. Constitution, but to CHANGE it.
It’s a brainchild of Virginia House Speaker Bill Howell, one of the state lawmakers who got $2,000 in campaign cash from a scam artist who conned the entire Virginia General Assembly earlier this year.
And jumping on recently is Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Richmond, the incoming House Majority Leader. He’s urging his colleagues to “keep an open mind.”
Howell wants to change the constitution so that 2/3 of the states could nullify acts of Congress. You don’t like health care reform? Or a tax increase? Or the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
If 34 state legislatures agree with you, they could declare it null and void.
From Talking Points Memo:
Incoming House Majority Leader Eric Cantor is part of a class of Republicans who say they want to change the country fundamentally — and to that end, Cantor isn’t dismissing a plan by legislators in his home state of Virgina to blow up the Constitutional system and replace it with one that would give state governments veto power over federal laws.
It strikes me as a Pandora’s Box that would mire state legislatures everywhere in bills to undo this federal regulation or that federal regulation, spurred on by fake grassroots organizations such as the Tea Party, which is funded largely by billionaires who have vowed to undo every federal regulation possible.
It also could water down one of the processes the founders of this country set up for constitutional change, which requires a 3/4 vote of the states.
Sounds like the Tea Party regards that bar as too high — they want it lowered. Are the founders turning over in their graves?
November 30, 2010 - 5:52 PM
Why don’t we just go ahead and appoint the Koch brothers as King and King of America and maybe Richard Fink could be appointed Earl of “Wealth for the Wealthy”. Art Pope could serve as Duke of “Deregulation and Environmental Waste” and Nancy Pfotenhauer could take on the position of Baroness of “Middle Class Suppression and Regulation”.
Isn’t this what the tea-partiers want… to hand over control of our government to a handful of the wealthiest, most conservative folks in the country?
Lord knows that Dan and the left fear states rights.This is the United States of America..It means what it says.
This bill is long overdue! Great idea to give the states the right to vote out Fed laws on a state by state basis!
You nailed it, Dan. The Koch brothers and their army of rubes would love to see an end to all Federal regulation. Once power is attained, however, it is rarely given up. Congress and the Supremes won’t cede their control to the states, all this posturing from Mr. Cantor is just lip service.
Lynda K,
If the Tea Party got everything it’s asking for, it would indeed hand control of government over to a small number of very wealthy conservatives. However, the TPers don’t realize that’s the outcome of what they’re seeking. In other words, they’re dupes.
I have noticed the last talking point from the Democrats is to babble about someone named Koch. I guess he is the new Richard Mellon-Scaife for the Democrats to demonize. You guys are doing a good job of staying on message for your bosses. I suppose we will hear about Koch until you get your orders for the next Newt Gingrich to blame.
I guess thinking for yourself is out of the question.
Meanwhile, Dan criticizes yet another Republican. SOS.
Dan,
Good Lord you paint with a broad brush. Dupes? It makes me laugh how you describe everything and everyone to the right of you as stupid, naive, and evil. Do you really believe everyone to the left is that much superior in both intellect and intentions?
Right. Millions of college graduates who want government to control spending are dupes while you 0bama droids are the geniuses.
You morons only understand big government control. That’s the only circumstance which you’re describing–power to the few–can happen.
“This is the United States of America”
And what about this concept do you not understand?
Henry, even you are not that damn stupid.
‘And what about this concept do you not understand’
United States means just that.United by will not by force.
The Fed should have not have more authority than the states,but less.
States rights now!!!
Rke Mom — Great comment and oh how true! Dupes? I don’t think the left takes much time looking in the mirrors or watching their own glass homes while they are throwing rocks at those that don’t blindly follow their path to self destruction!
“In other words, they’re dupes.”
The real dupes are Dems,they like Nazis, believe Govt is like religion to them,they are the ultimate fools.
Jack writes: “This is the United States of America..It means what it says.
This bill is long overdue! Great idea to give the states the right to vote out Fed laws on a state by state basis!”
The operative word being UNITED!
At least democrats know with whom their allegiance lies… conservatives are being led around by the nose by a movement whose master manipulators are not even on THEIR side! Dupes, indeed.
No Jack, we had that system it was under the Articles of Confederation and it didn’t work. I think the concept you fail to understand is the “United” part and this bill aka “crap” would weaken that part. What I don’t get is why do all the Repubs hate the idea of a central Government? Don’t get me wrong Bush and Obama have expanded the Government and spending more then any Presidents in history and we need to scale back. (Yes Bush did this its fact deal with it) Yet the Idea of The United Corporations of America scares me more then a Government we elect like American Idol. Well at least I can vote people out of office I cant say that about individual states I don’t reside in , or Companies who I have no control over.
Wow Jack thanks for hitting off the when all else fails call the Left a bunch of Nazi’s never head that one before pick it up from Beck, maybe? When in fact the Neo Con movement of the last 15 years has more in Common with that brand of Government. No matter how much the right pisses me off I wont go as far to call them Nazi’s because well its just wrong. You know the slaughter of millions of people, religious hate, bigotry is What the Dems stand for. Debate in this country is dead its a bunch of Red V Blue, and the next 2 years(Much like the last 2 years “party of No”) will prove how far the right will go to stall the government to try to regain the White House and all of Congress. They (Repubs)will head out to talk radio land and say how Big Bad Obama and the Evil leftist, socialist, non American values Senate didn’t let them do anything, and the only thing he (Obama) did was use his pen to Veto BS. Want to know how the 2012 election is going to play out? Go back and Look at ’96
What followed the last time we had a conservative uprising in 1994 with the GOP taking fewer Congressional seats. That’s right. We had five years of unprecedented prosperity. I don’t remember some tiny cabal taking over the country.
Leftwingers don’t even believe the stupid s*** they’re saying.
Keith is correct in that our Founding Fathers initially tried the system Rep. Cantor and others of his ilk are advocating. Our country was paralyzed during the Articles of Confederation period of our history. That’s why our Founding Fathers came up with the Constitution we now have. There is a process available within our present constitution that permits changes to the Constitution. Use it.
Suzie @ 11:21′
Did you just get back from cleaning the outhouse before you made that statement??? There’s more _ _ _ _ you forgot to clean up.
Soros buys the White House and you guys are babbling about some Koch guy no one ever heard of, outside of a few lefty nutbag blogs.
#19, Henry, here’s something to read, if you can.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
#19 There are TWO Koch guys. And we can’t help it if you’re so uninformed that you don’t know who they are.
Henry, maybe if you got your news somewhere besides Fox and WingNut Daily, you’d have heard of the Koch brothers.
The liberal nightmare. The Koch brothers and their hired gun discussing the 2008 presidential election.
Koch #1 – Let’s ruin the Dems this time. Let’s run McCain, let him win the primary, then have him lose to a guy who is so bad that nobody will ever take the Democratic party seriously again…
Koch #2 – What kind of guy will be that bad?
HG (Hired Gun) – Fortunately we have a proven model, a prototype… Jimmy Carter. Stupid, incompetent, wishy-washy, everything the public doesn’t want, but the guy we pick this time will be Jimmy Carter on roids…He’ll make Carter look intelligent…well, that might be an exaggeration, but you get my point…
Koch #2 – Sounds good, but where do we find a guy as incompetent as Jimmy?
HG – There is a guy in the Illinois senate who fits the description. Doesn’t vote on much, not very smart, maybe we can use him…
Koch #1 – Let’s take the media down with the Dems, let’s get a totally incompetent guy, and get him elected even though there is something glaring in his background that the media didn’t uncover…
HG – Like maybe the guy was born in Kenya?
Koch #1 – Perfect!
Koch #2 – This is fun, let’s get someone who is goofy looking, but let’s have the media say he is good looking and see how many libs will go along with it…Hell, let’s get a guy who shoots basketball like a girl and tell the media he is a basketball junkie, let’s get a guy who is skinny and weak and tell the media he is “Buff”, let’s even find a guy who smokes and have the media sell him as a health nut… Let’s just see how far they will take it…
HG – You guys won’t believe it, but you just described this tool in the Illinois senate.
Koch #1 – You got a picture of the guy?
HG – Yep, take a look at this…
Koch #2 – Haha, he looks like Alfred E. Newman…he makes Carter look less stupid.
Koch #1 – Can we do it? Is the media that corrupt, is the American public that naive?
HG – I think so…if you are willing to find out I can set this in motion.
And so, the brilliant Koch brothers and their HG set the stage for the Republicans to take 63 seats in the House in the midterm elections…Who knows what will be next? These Koch brothers are devious…
#23, Are you quoting or inventing a dialogue? If you can’t find real faults, invent a few. Not a new tactic, even when Goebbels practiced it.
Let’s see. There is Ed Koch, the former NYC mayor, and I don’t know what his brother’s name is.
With only of the minimalist type of digging one can find that yes the Koch Brothers do fund with their millions many of the far right wing wars against what they perceived as left wing thinking. The money that is spent boggles the mind, with the fight against climate science they even out spent ExxonMobil.
They also founded Prosperity Foundation a right wing group that thinks our President “have a socialist vision for this country.” (there they go again) according to Peggy Venable, a summit organizer.
Go here for more details, http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
Back to the original subject of this thread. Imagine that. A pimp acting like a pimp!
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Oh. The New Yorker
Folks, if you want to impress Suzie, you’ve got to link to stories in the National Enquirer or People.
#28, Sorry, Suze. I couldn’t find a magazine or newspaper down at your reading comprehension level.
“some Koch guy no one ever heard of”
Kockroaches hate light, but you knew that.
Dans hereoes are Star and Enguirer reporters.He loves unproven facts,its his forte.
“What I don’t get is why do all the Repubs hate the idea of a central Government”
Dont you hear the very words “central government” resounding in your ears.Its the same as the saying the Kremlin.
16″.Wow Jack thanks for hitting off the when all else fails call the Left a bunch of Nazi’s never head that one before pick it up from Beck, maybe?”
Ive been around way before Beck.
#22
Maybe if you got your news from somewhere other than the HuffPuffPost and DU, you’d know that no one had ever heard of this Koch guy. He’s a figment of the imagination of Democrats desperate to find someone to demonize and take the heat off the Democrat moneyman George Soros.
#33 Jack Mcquire,
You hittin’ the eggnog again, sport? You might want to cut back on the bourbon just a tad; it’s a school night.
Gonna’ suck to be you in the morning…Try to remember to hydrate and take a couple aspirin before you pass out. And don’t try firing up the ol’ wheat thrasher until you get your sea legs back. As a matter of fact, try to stay away from anything sharper then a butter knife until you can recite your ABC’s, just to be on the safe side. Oh, sorry, Jony/Tack; I meant until you can count to ten on your own.
Henry, since we know you possess a certain amount of intelligence, your claim that “no one had ever heard of this Koch guy” is a lie. That makes you just another troll, dude.
No Jack because I don’t fear the Red Plague it’s just another *ism that political figures try to make you fear. What I do hear is States Rights aka the Confederate States of America. If that happened then I would fear our country falling into 50 individual city States. Go look up how many City Sates worked out in the long run… I can wait….. OK are you done. Instead of having a strong nation you wold have strong States and weak States and the long term survival of the United States would be in jeopardy. You fail to remember that this would also bring in 50 Central Governments, so no I don’t fear big bad big brother its not 1984 Orwell.
Jack I cant say I’m afraid of a Government I help elect and keep the political process going. Don’t forget the words of Jefferson “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” We are far from tyranny even though the right wishes we could go back to the days of robber barons
Sorry I will give you credit for calling other Americans Nazi’s; However, I’m pretty sure the Nazi party wouldn’t have be at there meetings. But Ill put in a call to the leaders, Pilosi and Reed, and see if I can join in next time. Funny part I’m the one called non Patriotic can you see the irony in all of it.
I’d only heard of the Koch brothers in the last three weeks. I’m pretty active in the party, and I still don’t know who they are. You’d think somebody so important to my cause, I’d know of them.
The terms “strawman” and “bogeyman” apply here.
Sorry, Suze. I couldn’t find a magazine or newspaper down at your reading comprehension level.
Don’t you find it funny you’re this professional writer, and I write better than you? And I’m not even a writer. I’m a math girl. Shazam!
“Sorry, Suze. I couldn’t find a magazine or newspaper down at your reading comprehension level”
Comment by Charlie Self — December 1, 2010 @ 6:44 pm
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie;. Didn’t you know that Suz reads all of ‘em, any of ‘em that have been in front of her over all these years?
I think they might still publish the “Weekly Reader”. Maybe we could all pitch in and buy Suzie a subscription for Christmas.
Suzie writes: “I’d only heard of the Koch brothers in the last three weeks. I’m pretty active in the party, and I still don’t know who they are. You’d think somebody so important to my cause, I’d know of them.”
That’s exactly what I meant when I said your little tea party is being led around by the nose by the undercover master manipulators that aren’t even on your side.
Enlighten yourself, Suzie:
http://theweek.com/article/index/206405/the-billionaire-koch-brothers-tea-party-puppetmasters
“I’d only heard of the Koch brothers in the last three weeks.”
We already know you’re a troll, Butch. If ignorance is bliss, you must be friggin ecstatic.
For all my conservative friends that have been living under a rock for the last four months and have somehow avoided reading about the Koch brothers, I found a couple of links for you on the series of tubes also referred to as the internets.
Google is your friend, gentleman; use it.
05/12/2010, Reason
http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/12/koch-brothers-deny-tea-party-p
07/25/2010, NY magazine
http://nymag.com/news/features/67285/
08/23/2010, The American Spectator
http://spectator.org/blog/2010/08/23/jane-mayers-violent-assault-on
08/24/2010, The Week
http://theweek.com/article/index/206405/the-billionaire-koch-brothers-tea-party-puppetmasters
08/25/2010, Iowa Independent
http://iowaindependent.com/41877/the-koch-brothers-and-the-tea-party-movement
08/26/2010, NPR
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129425186
08/28/2010, NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html
08/30/2010 New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
09/01/2010, The New York Observer
http://www.observer.com/2010/daily-transom/how-libertarian-koch-bros-benefit-corporate-welfare
09/02/2010, Politics Daily
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/09/02/koch-brothers-give-more-to-charity-than-to-right-wing-causes/
09/04/2010, Mercury News
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_15993325?nclick_check=1
09/07/2010, Washington Examiner
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/left-attacks-koch-brothers-giving-money-pbs
09/07/2010, One Wisconson Now
http://www.onewisconsinnow.org/blog/2010/09/koch-brothers-fill-up-walkers-campaign-tank.html
09/08/2010, McClatchy wire service
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/09/08/100263/koch-brothers-contribute-1-million.html
09/23/2010, Rightside news
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010092411717/us/politics-and-economics/capital-rivals-koch-brothers-vs-george-soros.html
09/26/2010, The Sunday Gazette
http://www.sundaygazettemail.com/News/201009260391
10/12/2010, Forbes
http://blogs.forbes.com/clareoconnor/2010/10/12/liberal-billionaires-take-on-the-koch-brothers-in-california-energy-fight/
10/13/2010, Grist
http://www.grist.org/article/koch-brothers-tea-party-connections-confirmed-video
10/14/2010, WSJ
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/10/14/koch-industries-shifts-on-tea-party/
10/18/2010, Richmond Times Dispatch
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2010/oct/18/ed-gate18-ar-569136/
10/20/2010, Washington Monthly
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
10/20/2010, WaPo
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/19/AR2010101906085.html
10/25/2010, The Guardian UK
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/25/tea-party-koch-brothers
10/28/2010, Richmond Times Dispatch
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2010/oct/28/ed-unio28-ar-591075/
It appears the Democrats have been working overtime to demonize this Koch guy. Perhaps it’s to take the heat off their guy, George Soros, and his Nazi problem. He bought and paid for that Koch coverage and I imagine he better see results.
Good to see the party faithful are doing his bidding so faithfully.
I’m continually amazed as to how liberals and left wingers constantly gripe about the “rich”. Why is it one never hears a conservative gripe about wealthy folks? Not all conservatives are wealthy. The point being everyone has the opportunity to become wealthy. Stop griping about the rich and become rich. Most folks would like to be wealthy but aren’t willing to take the risk, make the sacrifices and do to work to become wealthy so it’s easier to gripe about them. Absolutely there should be huge benefits to being wealthy we are a capitalist society that rewards success.
Michael,
There “should be huge benefits to being wealthy”? Are you trying to suggest they don’t already exist?
Fyi, conservatives are always griping about the poor, and how the poor pay no income taxes (because they have no income, duh), which the conservatives twist as “no taxes,” conveniently ignoring the sales, gasoline, utility, real estate and other taxes that the poor pay.
” conveniently ignoring the sales, gasoline, utility, real estate and other taxes that the poor pay.
Not too many poor people pay real estate taxes, amigo. As for all those other taxes mentioned: Who enacted them all, conservatives or liberals? Ooops.
Michael,
The leftwingers don’t want to hear stuff about sacrifice, work, and rewards. That kind of attitude causes them to lose power. They need people to be lazy and unambitious.
“and how the poor pay no income taxes (because they have no income, duh),”
Really? Poor people don’t work, Dan?
#39, Suze, as to writing ability, do you mean the checks I get from publishers are really yours? Funny. They all have my name on them.
Suzie, you’re wrong again. If they’re owners, they pay real estate taxes. If they’re renters, they pay them, too. The only poor who don’t pay RE taxes are those living in public housing, a tiny minority of the poor population.
I will never cease to be amazed that you’re still demanding the poor pay income taxes on income they don’t have. Next you’ll be demanding they pay sales taxes on yachts, even though they’re not buying any, because it’s unfair that only the rich have to pay the yacht tax.
Some of them work, Henry. Some of them don’t. They have little to no TAXABLE income because the taxes don’t kick in until a certain level, and because of the personal exemption, dependents, etc.
Those same exclusions apply to the rich, btw.
Actually poor people who don’t live in houses like yours do pay property taxes on their humble abodes. If they don’t own them, they pay it indirectly through the thing called rent.
All those taxes you mentioned have been imposed on us by both Republicans and Democrats over the course of history. I forgot that you are not interested in facts.
#48 Suzie, we’ve destroyed that one about the poor not paying real estate taxes before. If you own rental property, are you going to charge the renter an amount that covers your real estate taxes or are you going to be really, really nice and eat that yourself? Why, you’re going to charge the renter, aren’t you?
How did we know troll would fail again on this one?
Susie writes: “Not too many poor people pay real estate taxes, amigo”
Are you kidding me? Do you honestly think only the wealthy own real estate?
Your definition of “poor” and reality are certainly two different things… no surprise there.
#54 Trolls don’t care about facts, Ron.
Suzie, you’re wrong again. If they’re owners, they pay real estate taxes. If they’re renters, they pay them, too. The only poor who don’t pay RE taxes are those living in public housing, a tiny minority of the poor population.
OK, well, if we’re going that route, I pay for food, clothing, heat, and Christmas toys for a lot of poor people. Anybody who gets public assistance of any kind means I pay for their stuff. And I’m paying them a lot more than they’re “paying” me. That logic carries into the work world as well. It means I’m technically paying Dan’s real estate taxes because I buy a paper.
Henry, it’s Koch guys. Click on the links provided by Steve C and educate yourself. Or maybe just read the New Yorker article that has been posted by several bloggers.
The Tea Partiers want to act like they are this grassroots movement, meanwhile groups like Freedom Works, Citizens for a Sound Economy and Americans for Prosperity are all heavily funded by the billionaire Koch brothers, and corporations like Verizon. In addition, Freedom Works is run by Dick Armey, a career politician. Such funding and backing hardly equate to a grassroots movement.
With regard to your continued mentions of Soros, Henry, I know and you know and EVERYBODY knows that the Democrats have such donors. Soros is the Democratic equivalent of Rupert Murdoch – a very rich man using his money to influence politics as he sees fit. Am I a fan of Soros? No. The fact of the matter is that the parties are controlled by those who have the money to influence them. And the Tea Party is just another puppet of those with the money to buy influence. To act differently just shows ignorance.
On another matter Henry, I hear NASA is holding a press conference this afternoon regarding “astrobiology”. I can’t wait to see what the announcement is!
Dan
I don’t think you understand the tax system. The personal and dependent exemption is $3,650. If you follow your rule, a person making more than $7,300 with one dependent would pay taxes.
Instead, the income limit for the EITC is $35,463 ($40,463 for married filing jointly) if you have one qualifying child
Here’s more on the Earned Income Tax Credit
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p596/ar01.html#en_US_publink1000167170
@ Dan:
“Suzie, you’re wrong again. If they’re owners, they pay real estate taxes. If they’re renters, they pay them, too.”
Very interesting point, Dan. Let’s remain consistent with your argument and apply it to a fuel tax. Since that cost will be passed along to the consumer for items like food (which is almost certainly transported from somewhere else to the supermarket), how is an increase in the gas tax not a tax increase on the poor? Aren’t additional administrative requirements, like those imposed in HCR, an additional cost passed along to consumers who already pay a great deal in premiums?
I like your train of thought here. It validates the argument that taxes on businesses are simply a stealth tax on the end user because the cost simply passes through.
Naturally, this also makes it nearly impossible for Pres. Obama to keep his promise not to raise taxes on anyone making less than $250k.
Life’s tough Suzie. And then you die. Get over it.
“OK, well, if we’re going that route, I pay for food, clothing, heat, and Christmas toys for a lot of poor people. Anybody who gets public assistance of any kind means I pay for their stuff. And I’m paying them a lot more than they’re “paying” me. That logic carries into the work world as well. It means I’m technically paying Dan’s real estate taxes because I buy a paper.”
As statements from Suzie go, this takes the cake for being ridiculously wrong. It verges on class envy, by a rich person, of the poor. And it’s a great example of the kind of upside-down, topsy-turvy “thinking” that passes for “conservative thought” these days. I would say they all sound like they’re on acid, except that would be a grievous insult to that drug.
Again: It is a lie that 40 percent of the population pays no taxes. There are people who effectively pay no income taxes, because their income doesn’t rise above the threshold at which they’re owed (the rich get this EXACT same benefit, btw). But most of those people pay real estate taxes, directly or indirectly, and ALL of them pay sales, gas, utility and other taxes.
“(the rich get this EXACT same benefit, btw”
The rich get The Earned Income Tax Credit??? Did you not read what I posted?
Henry, the rich don’t get the EITC. The fact that you would even ask that question proves you’re becoming as hopeless as Suzie.
By the way, remember what Ronald Reagan said about the EITC? He called it “the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress.”
It’s highly amusing to listen to Henry and others talking about Soros and money. The people who want to replace Steele as RNC chairman had a debate yesterday and what do you think was the main thrust of their discussion? Choosing the right candidates that will put Americas first? Plotting strategy to get the economy turned around? Working with the Tea Party voters? Are you freaking kidding?
They all assured listeners that THEY were the one who could bring in the most money. One said, it’s not that there’s too much money in politics, “there’s not enough money.” Another said, “it’s money first, it’s money second, and it’s money third.”
It’s also amusing to hear Suzie’s evident jealousy of the poor, because they pay “no” (she innacurately says) taxes.
More phony, made up stuff from Suzie, the poor little rich girl who’s envious of the have-nots.
The EITC is one of the big reasons that the poor don’t have to pay income taxes. If 40% don’t pay anything, the system is hardly fair.
Gdad, I know some would doubt the veracity of your statments @67, so I’m providing a link to the story this morning on NPR. Click “Listen to the Story” and you can hear the quotes.
http://www.npr.org/2010/12/02/131753124/candidates-line-up-to-challenge-rnc-chairman
I’m trying to recall exactly what it was Reagan said about the EITC. Oh yes! He called it, “the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress.”
Yeah, I wish I paid the same sales tax as poor people.
Poor Suzie (who has in the past on this blog called for “flat” taxes like the sales tax, where everyone pays the same percentage).
Now, she’s got her panties all bunched up because she pays more in sales tax dollars than the poor, even though they both pay the same percentage.
I think she’s aiming for a new record with hypocrisy.
#73 Trolls usually can’t keep straight everything they’ve said.
Actually, Dan and Granddad, I said everyone should pay the exact same dollar amount, and if that can’t happen, I’ll settle for paying the same percentage.
I’m the one who’s consistent. It’s you clowns who can’t remember.