Obama gets Osama . . . UPDATED
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By drone strike, a special ops forces strike, perhaps as early as April 22, in Pakistan, today.
The strike took place in Abbottabad, a city of 81,000 in northern Pakistan.
It’s about time, eh?
Put your comments here.
How will Rush spin this one against the president?
UPDATE: The announcement broke into presidential pretender Donald Trump’s show, “Celebrity Apprentice.”
UPDATE 2:
ABC News reporters a large crowd is growing outside the White House, carrying American flags, dancing on the sidewalk along Pennsylvania Avenue, cheering “USA! USA!” “We’re No. 1,” “Ding Dong, bin Laden is dead,” and singing the national anthem.
President Obama: The deadly strike happened Sunday, and was based on intelligence that dates back to August.
“A testament to the greatness of our country, and to the determination of the American people.”
May 1, 2011 - 10:55 PM
Obama’s fault!!!!!!
Well there you go… How’s that for a war time Commander and Chief? 2012 just got a whole lot more interesting.
Awesome news. Period.
I’m sure the right wingers will need to examine Bin Laden’s actual real body using their very own examiner — and then they’ll claim it’s a forgery.
Probably. I’m having a late-night Redbridge to celebrate the news, ran out of Bards…but right now, I don’t rightly care. Best news in a long while.
Obama got the job done. Something Bush did not. Enough said. My vote is secure of Obama in 2012. Thank you Mr. President for bringing this blight on the US to a successful end. The Nation owes you its gratitude and thanks.
A friend re-posted this from Twitter: ‘Finally a funeral that Westboro Baptists can protest without pissing anybody off.’
Did anyone catch Geraldo’s gaffe?
Anyway, great news. Hopefully there will not be any successful retaliation by those left in the rank and file of his followers.
Steve C,
Unless things improve, 2012 will be about the economy and as you have been pointing out for months, the gas prices which are halting the slight recovery that we had experienced.
Anyway,
Once again, great news for the USA and world.
Good job, special forces! What happened to all those leftwingers who said capturing Bin Laden “didn’t matter”?
Somewhere in DC, someone is dusting off an old “Mission Accomplished” banner…
Just to set the record straight before you kooks wet your pants, 0bama CUT funding for Special Forces, the very outfit that reportedly killed Bin Laden.
http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/04/04/latest-to-face-budget-cuts-u-s-special-forces/
Idiot Boy can barely hide his disdain for the military, but these special forces carried out their duties despite the horrible lack of support from this administration. The idea of actually giving Retard Boy credit for this great work that he opposed is nauseating.
Suzie,
I think you make a great point, it those wearing the boots on the ground that we need to thank. The drones didn’t do it, it was the young men and women on the ground.
May God Bless Them All!
B.M.
You are confusing me with someone else regarding gas prices. The only thing I’ve ever posted on this blog about this matter was/is the futility of the drill here/drill now message.
Cold,
Was your vote ever in question?
Cold voted for Morgan Griffith in the November election. . .
Best news I’ve ever heard.
OBAMA,got him on his watch,he did something no other president have done.What will Limbaugh,Hannity,O’Reilly and that flapping mouth of Donald Trump say?Nothing,they are going to try and spin this but they can’t.Go and sit the fu@k down,shut up and get ready for Obama’s second term.STFD tea party and right wingers rejoice!!!!
You guys have read enough of my point of view to know I’m independant. BM I was thinking if Nader was running he just might be the best choice. Not anymore.
If you haven’t figured out my centrist view then you will denigrate me regardless of what my position is. I don’t really care. This is a success that our Boots on the ground should be proud of, however, I will point out that Bush did not want to step on the Pakistani position which Obama has considered, but has decided that if we know were Osama is, we will get him unilaterly. Thank you to Special ops and Thank you Obama for taking the cuffs off our boys and let them get the job done. The rules of engagement Bush saddled our troops with just made them sitting ducks and targets for the ememy.
http://pubrecord.org/world/5801/report-drone-strikes-increased/
I would suggest you look recognize the magitude of this victory and give credit were credit is due. anot just call me out as a liberal coolaid drinker. I don’t drink kool aid. I think for myself and make decisions based on the facts as I see them. I don’t expect the diehard wingers will get it. But the american people will. Can’t wait til november 2012. I can now say I can vote FOR something instead of Voting AGAINST something. Thank you Obama.
The American people will not forget this great victory.
Now its on to fixing big Oil and regulate the speculators and get the 1%ers to pay their fair share. You can do it Obama. Take advantage of this victory and get some good stuff done we really need done.
All the more to praise Obama for. He cut the special forces yet knew how to get the job done.
That’s a win win in my book.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM_tDB8OZok
Lee Greenwood says it best.
The kids at Radford University are whooping it up. You can hear it miles away.
Great news! Obama capitalizes on the campaign that President Bush started. Now, I’m wondering, STILL, what Obama will say about the mission in Libya. Why are we targeting Khadafi again? And, if the “oppresion of people” is the worry, then why aren’t we involved in Syria?
In the interim, while we’re trying to figure those questions out….Go, Navy!
Thank God for a president who knows how to analyze intelligence and when to move on it. Grateful for his leadership and the courage of our troops. Funny how McCain once said that Obama did not understand how the military works. Ha! I’m sure the right wingers are already asking for Bin Laden’s death certificate. And of course they’re already ready to argue it’s fake!
“Where was McDonnell when Osama was killed? will he be there within 9 days?”
“Donald Trump is waiting to see the long form Death Certificate before certifying this as an actual kill.”
“Donald Trump just green lighted a new season of ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ as he has been rendered politically impotent. Kind of like his hair.”
“This Angry Birds level is impossible. What’s That Ayaz? The iPhone tracks where you are???? –Osama’s last words”
Thanks, I’ll be here all week.
Sorry Steve. I think it was Cold I was thinking of.
Dan,
Thats great, however doesn’t answer my question posed to another. I have voted for democratic representatives, never for a democratic Presidential candidate.
I though President Obama’s annoucement wss very good. Justice, unity, continuity, perseverance.
Congratulations to the brave soldiers that carried out this mission.
Obama just got re-elected, yay!
@Suzie: “Retard boy”? Really? Sarah Palin would be very upset with you.
It seems like EVERYTHING has to be partisan to many of you. How long after you hear a news story does the internal spin machine find some way to blame the other side? I am simply happy we finally got him. I am curious as to how much help he got from Pakistan. Abbottabad looks pretty far from the border.
#11, you had no problem giving GWB credit for “winning the war in Iraq” even though it was the men and women in the military who were fighting it, not him.
#14 Don’t pay much attention, do you, BM?
#11 Troll, no spin you put on it will work. Give it up.
In the big picture, getting Bin Laden really is but a blip on the screen. He had become unimportant. But most liberals I know will be happy to hear he’s gone, as am I. He deserved to die.
Face it, Shrub made getting Bin Laden a top priority and he couldn’t get it done, just as he couldn’t get his mission in Afghanistan or Iraq finished. Troops acting on intelligence gathered under the Obama administration did get Bin Laden.
Congrats to those who took him out. This is something I did not think would ever happen.
This will cause “unrest in the Mideast” which will drive
up oil prices, hello 8 bucks per gallon. It would have been
cheaper to let him live.
#11 Sorry, troll, according to Defense News, SOCOM will be adding people in the next few years. SOCOM’s budget is up 7 percent for 2012.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=6136081
“Just to set the record straight before you kooks wet your pants, 0bama CUT funding for Special Forces, the very outfit that reportedly killed Bin Laden.”
Rush will simply be more outrageous than “you know who.”
It took some big kahunas for the soldiers to take bin Laden out and the same for President Obama. He took a huge political risk authorizing this mission. The mission could have easily gone bad (ie: Jimmy Carter and the Iranian hostage rescue mission). Congrats to the soldiers and President Obama!
My my is the divide in this country absolutely disgusting. Something the entire country can get behind and celebrate and there is nothing but a bunch of trash talking and hatred. God Bless the USA and may she stay safe in the coming days and months.
Rob, oil prices are 60% lower than they were when Bush was President (remember when gas was inching up to $4/gallon??) yet gas is STILL inching up towards $4/gallon.
Gee, thanks pres obama…
Come on, folks. For a few minutes let’s quit attacking – this is not a left/right issue. This is a US issue.
#33 This will cause “unrest in the Mideast” which will drive
up oil prices, hello 8 bucks per gallon. It would have been
cheaper to let him live.
Without a doubt one of the most self centered, egotistical comments I’ve ever heard. Don’t seek retribution for the death of 3,000 Americans because it will cost me more to fill up my SUV…That is really pathetic. You’re a real patriot, aren’t you?
Yet one more thing Obama succeeded at that Bush failed at. How great that he’s dead in time for the 10 year anniversary.
Rob…oil prices have already dropped.
We have Fox on here in the office and the Fox Bots are doing their best to try not to look as though the have something stuck up their butts this morning. Hilarious.
This is indeed good news for the world. But don’t be so quick to give Obama so much credit, unless Bin Laden was killed by an errant golf ball from the 18th hole of a golf course. AMAZING how many times in Obama’s speech he used the word “I” instead of “we”. Guess nobody told him all those folks who have been tracking Bin Laden all these years and those Navy Seals who stormed the compund might have had a little someting to do with the kill. This will have little effect on 2012 – there is still plenty of time for the Libs to screw up many, many times before then.
Lots of invective in this discussion. A few facts, just for kicks – the US did not consult with Pakistan, or with any of the traditional allies like is normally done. There was concern about leaked information compromising the strike, thus no info was shared. It was a SpecOps mission on a surgical strike. It has been developing since last August, based on intelligence reports. The President had to sign off on it, because of many factors. The mission was not widely known, even among the Defense dept. in order to minimize leaks. The names of the soldiers will not be released for many years, as is standard SpecOps policy. Bin Laden’s body has been disposed into an unnamed ocean.
Now some opinions – it is encouraging to see Obama make the tough call when necessary. W would have done the same. That doesn’t lessen the appreciation for Obama making the call. Hopefully, we can soon remove all of our military presence from Iraq, then Afghanistan, then Libya. Last thing I have to say – this is the type of strike I have shouted for since Sept 12th, 2001. I know these things take time to put together, but this was the only way we were ever going to get OBL. Once again, I’ve got increased pride in our military forces.
I don’t normally post on here, but as a good friend of someone serving in the area where Osama Bin Laden was killed, I am offended by the fact that people keep saying that Obama got Osama! It was the US MILITARY that got BIN LADEN, and YEARS of intelligence that led them to him. Why on earth does it even matter which president it was? If you look at the terrain, which is near impossible to navigate at certain times of the year, even by locals, and the society there, that likes to hide people like Bin Laden, no wonder it took so long.
Just get over it already, not like Obama actually pulled the trigger, not like Bush would have either. It was the the soldiers (I think I heard somewhere that they were Navy Seals) of the US MILITARY that got OSAMA, not some politician in an office. All he did was give the order. When I see him on the ground doing the work, then I will give him the proper credit.
Give credit where credit is due, to all military, and first responders, and let them celebrate without the arguing over why Obama did it and Bush couldn’t.
#11, you had no problem giving GWB credit for “winning the war in Iraq” even though it was the men and women in the military who were fighting it, not him.
The difference is, GWB fully funded and supported the troops. 0bama hates the military and has proposed cutting their budget, particularly the Special Ops forces’.
I give this capture victory to Bush because he revitalized our Intel after Clinton decimated it.
gdad, your link also states that SOCOM (Spec Forces) has more than doubled in the last decade. That hardly sounds like a branch that is being cut, but instead taking a more prominent role, justly.
It sure sounds like the typical squawker searched until she found a bogus site with twisted info in an attempt to continue the usual harangue. Thanks, gdad, for providing a legitimate source that proves the opposite is true. Then again, it’s pretty easy to just consider that whatever she posts is the opposite of the truth…
#11 Sorry, troll, according to Defense News, SOCOM will be adding people in the next few years. SOCOM’s budget is up 7 percent for 2012.
Sounds like we all owe the Tea Party credit then for not allowing 0bama’s military cuts to go through.
My favorite thing in the world is pouring cold water on premature leftwing celebrations and making them play defense. That’s what’s happened on this thread. Notice how the gloating-for-0bama thingy has been stopped dead in its tracks.
Interesting. This was on FoxNews.com in December of 2001.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html
Exactly how many times has this guy died?
Hate on Haters!
Yes We Can! Yes We Can! Yes We Can!
Obama! Obama! Obama!
2012 just got that much easier.
Oil price is down. The dollar is up. But I’m sure all you haters are gonna be mad that those gold coins that Glen Beck has been peddling lost some value.
#27 Our troll likes using offensive words. At one point I thought we had shamed it into backing off the “R” word, but I guess it just can’t help itself.
Look to see what BHO is really up to; why such a quick burial at sea, would really like to see the video footage on the takedown. I will still not vote for Osama/Obama in 2012. This is simply to improve his approval ratings…
Rush trying to spin this against the pres (something he hasn’t done yet, but I’m sure he will) is about as crazy as left wingers giving all the credit to Obama. He did get it done on his watch…but Obama is not the one in the field gathering intel. Obama saying this was made a top priority under his watch is misleading..this has been a top priority from 9/11/01 and Bush, Obama, and the entire machine should get the credit. Great speech last night.
Obama got the job done. Something Bush did not. Enough said. My vote is secure of Obama in 2012. Thank you Mr. President for bringing this blight on the US to a successful end. The Nation owes you its gratitude and thanks.
Comment by Cold n P — May 1, 2011 @ 11:24 pm
Hey Cold, lets give the gratitude and thanks to the military and the vets who have fought this war, sure Pres. Obama gave the order but i don’t think i have ever read where he is a member of Seal Team 6, and this blight as you call it is NOT over by a long shot, as a Vet i am uber exstatic that he is finally dead but the war on terror will go on, and even though i am republican, i agree that Obama has sealed another 4 years in the white house. I don’t listen to all the mess that goes on with the media and Obama, i didn’t vote for him then and i wont vote for him next election because this news is THE ONLY good thing he has done since taking office. It is kinda funny that last week they had a turnover in his security counsel and then Friday orders the killing of Osama Bin Laden, just saying.
#21 I think most of the U.S. supported going in to Afghanistan to break up the Taliban and Al Qaeda and to get Bin Laden, but Shrub never came close to getting Bin Laden and when he started the useless war in Iraq, things went backwards in Afghanistan. I cheer the dispatching of Bin Laden, but now the U.S. needs to get out of other countries, including Libya.
“I’ve always been a supporter of President Musharraf, He’s an ally.” -GWB
Really? Folks are going to gripe and try to link Bin Laden’s death to a Obama vs Bush debate? Get a life.
It doesn’t matter if the president was Obama, Bush, or any one of us reading this blog. If the CIA came to the president and said “we are certain of his whereabouts, want us to take him out?”… I think any one would have been perfectly capable of saying, “you sure?? well then, go get him!” Let’s not get too crazy and pretend that the reason that Obama or Bush or anyone else preparing statements for the media last night were late with their statements because they were busy changing out of their navy seal uniforms.
Turning this event into an Obama vs Bush debate is an insult to this country, to our military, and to everyone that Bin Laden’s terrorist actions ever effected. Wake up!
All that matters is that the man is dead and that the families that lost loved ones on 9/11 can have a little bit of closure now. Eventually someone that is wanted for something is going to get careless and slip up, Pakistan was not the safe haven he thought. When it comes to our Special Forces, nowhere is safe.
Dang, Dan, I must be mis-hearing and mis-reading a lot. I thought it was a Navy SEAL team that got him. I knew Barry O’ had a good jump shot, but didn’t know he had a good riflt shot, too. That’s impressive.
Note that it was CIA and military intelligence that tracked down and took out bin Laden, not some minimum-wage TSA types doing gropes and feels at the airport or hassling passengers over having 4 ounces of fluids in their luggage or other “contraband” that could be used to do some type of harm. Now it is time to ratchet back the security theatre in our airports and stop treating American citizens like criminals and put even more effort into continued intelligence-gathering to put the lid on terrorism.
It took competence, patience, and careful planning to accomplish this along with the skills of the best troops the world has to offer. Thankfully we had a president in office who showed all the first three
and the ability to recognize how to use those skills. What we didn’t need
was a reckless showboater with a half baked cowboy mentality running the
show. That’s why Bin Laden is gone today instead of 6 years ago. A good day for America. I think Bush’s heart was in the right place . It was the
competence, intellect, and planning ability that were missing.
The Donald will DEMAND a long form Birth Certificate to prove it’s really him.
MMM, are you calling for government regulation of gasoline & oil speculating?
DD I heard all of Obama’s speech. He indeed gave special credit to the soldiers who took Bin Laden out — your comments notwithstanding.
Dan, I would like to think of this as a victory for ALL Americans but cannot help but ask….are you and the editors of the RT in mourning?? Will you and the team write stories soon about absence of due process for this mass murderer? I certainly hope not…..
Elliot, welcome back!
JBM,
I’m not in mourning.
#37 “My my is the divide in this country absolutely disgusting. Something the entire country can get behind and celebrate and there is nothing but a bunch of trash talking and hatred. God Bless the USA and may she stay safe in the coming days and months.”
#39- “Come on, folks. For a few minutes let’s quit attacking – this is not a left/right issue. This is a US issue.”
Uptheriver and david,
Very, very well put. I agree 100%!
Obama gets some credit for this the same way he’d have gotten the blame had it gone wrong, a la Carter and the hostages in Iran. Presidents get praise and blame for all sorts of things that happen under their watch, even things they have absolutely zero to do with.
Had it gone wrong, I can guarantee you no one would have blamed the military. They’d have blamed Obama. So he gets to enjoy some of the upside since it went so well.
“Exactly how many times has this guy died?
Comment by VT Hokie — May 2, 2011 @ 9:18 am”
It’s like a video game where you can win extra lives.
“60.Note that it was CIA and military intelligence that tracked down and took out bin Laden, not some minimum-wage TSA types doing gropes and feels at the airport or hassling passengers over having 4 ounces of fluids in their luggage or other “contraband” that could be used to do some type of harm.”
I agree with your post, JoeHokie. It would be nice if this country could get back to something resembling normalcy and away from the constant post 9-11 hyper overreaction and constant defaulting to “Let’s make ourselves safer by patting down 4 year olds.”
Bush never would have killed Bin Laden anyway, that would get rid of the “bogeyman” that was going to get us if we did not listen. Hopefully some of this Patriot Act mess can be rolled back a little, so that normal Americans don’t have to be treated like criminals.
Dan – whether you admit it or not, Obama’s speech was definitely geared to make it sound like he had a lot more to do with this than he actually did. If the Navy Seals had not killed Bin Laden, do you think Obama would be on TV saying that in spite of all his efforts to kill Bin Laden, he had failed? Killing Bin Laden has been a top US priority ever since 9/11 – don’t try to make it sound like Obama did anything more than GW did. But since you Libs have so little to celebrate with this President, I guess you have to grasp any straw that gets close. Now, let’s talk about the economy, unemployment and gas prices, shall we???
#46 It is astounding how often Suzie posts links to unreliable and unscrupulous sites that twist facts or just lie. I remember she linked to some bizarre and completely wrong site when she was still trying to claim protesters had just about destroyed the Wisconsin capitol even after Wisconsin Rethugs had admitted that any damage was extremely minimal.
And then on this thread she claims to have thrown cold water on gloating about Obama, while all around here posts are gloating about Obama.
#44 It was indeed, Michelle, the soldiers themselves who killed Bin Laden. But from what I’ve read (and all this could change) the raid didn’t result from YEARS of intelligence — more like months. And ultimately it was Obama who gave the go-ahead for the raid (as I assume Bush also would have done).
“71.Dan – whether you admit it or not, Obama’s speech was definitely geared to make it sound like he had a lot more to do with this than he actually did.”
It had everything to do with him. Every single serviceperson in uniform works for Obama. What do you think “Commander in Chief” means? He doesn’t have to try to make himself relevant to this…he’s completely relevant.
#71, The President didn’t have to give consent or support to this mission. There were plenty of reasons not to take on such a risky operation. As the sitting President, as you said, he will take the blame or the glory for whatever happens on his watch. But as Commander-in-Chief, it all starts and ends with him, so I think we can let him say “I” a few times without getting ourselves worked up.
Actually, Karl Rove’s opinion on Fox News this morning worded the political side of things pretty well…
“Much credit goes to our Navy SEALs, armed forces, CIA operatives, and the intelligence community. They proved again they are the best in the world at what they do.
Congratulations also to President Obama and his national security team for their adroit leadership of this operation. And thanks is also due President Bush, whose policies provided the tools that led to the discovery of Bin Laden’s hiding place.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/05/02/karl-rove-bin-ladens-death-president-obamas-challenge-explain-war-terror-far/#ixzz1LDAbSRxK
Yes June, Obama authorized the action to improve his approval ratings. He told the military to hold off before and wait until he really needed higher ratings before moving in for the kill. Your comment was about as asinine as Rob Thommins.
My home computer has been down for a few days, and it was really nice taking a break from the blog for a few days. No offense, Dan.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid Kristen.
Now the fringers will be asking for Bin Laden’s birth certificate to make sure it was actually him.
Funny how the Administration got DNA results in less than 24 hours – I ‘ve always read it takes weeks o reven months to get DNA results, even under the best circumstances. Another Obama MIRACLE! HALLELUJAH!
This thread is ridiculous…. Rather than quarrel about who did what and who should get the credit, we should be using this time to reflect on the events that brought us to this place. We should pray that our actions will not cause a backlash of retaliation and that the events like those of 9/11 will never happen again.
I swear, if I didn’t know any better, I’d think 12 years olds were arguing here.
Kristen, commander in chief means the same thing a cheif operating officer, that you have people under you who do all the work and you get the rewards for it. He only said 2 words, KILL HIM that was it and our fine Seal Team did the rest, but if this is what he needed to win a second term (because you know he needed something big) then i guess you won. Kudos to the Navy and the cia teams that completed this mission.
Navy Vet, and proud of it.
As someone said earlier, Bush would never have killed Bin Laden as he was was the Neocons meal ticket to the “endless war.” (their terminology) Now that the target has been eliminated Obama should pull the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. Mission accomplished!
#80 DD, I know you’re always in a big rush to criticize Obama no matter what he does, but you really ought to take some time and think a little before you post.
DNA results take weeks or months because the labs that do them are backed up with work. The results you want have to wait in line. But in a rush, preliminary results can be had in 24 hours or so and full results within 72 hours.
The president of the U.S. doesn’t have to wait in line for DNA results and he can order whatever speed test he wants.
gdad is right.
It did not take the cops in Connecticut too long to dna-ID the serial rapist wanted in Virginia, Maryland and Conn.
When it’s important, the info can be processed quickly. Alas, no “conspiracy” there, DD.
Incorrect MikeT, Commander in Chief would be more analogous to CEO, not COO.
There are some pretty hilarious conspiracy theories floating around today…I guess Bin Laden’s death is filling the vacuum between the Birthnuts ears that formed when Obama revealed the shocking news that he was born in the United States, just as he’d said.
I see the venom is still spewing from the same ole lefties and righties on this blog — taking credit/blaming, yada yada yada, at a time when all the partisan crap should be put aside. I remember why I stopped coming here…too negative.
Kudos to the many many folks involved who helped deliver American justice.
While the Navy Seals carried out the operation and deserve our gratitude for a job well done, it was the President that gave the go ahead and as has been pointed out, the blame for anything that could have gone wrong would have rested on his shoulders alone. For those of you who think the President doesn’t know what’s going on, maybe you need a civics lesson.
Here’s a timeline courtesy of the New York Times:
http://tinyurl.com/3fxragj
Does anyone have any insight into why the order was to kill, rather than capture? We captured Saddam Hussein and put him on trial. Why wouldn’t we want to put Bin Laden on trial for 9/11?
DNA sequencing can take months, but just matching DNA, where you are looking for specific genetic markers, can be done rather quickly. I read an article where a University of Arizona team had come up with a machine to do matching in as little as 2 hours.
Yeah, right – on an aircraft carrier in the middle of the ocean. I’m not doubting it was Bin Laden, but I’m just saying since the body is gone, no one can dispute it either. I think they wanted a DNA result to throw out in the public eye, so Obama can ge the maximum “benefit” out of this situation. You Libs think this is game, set, match for 2012 – dream on!
I think perhaps the 9/11 families would have liked the chance to personally witness Bin Laden’s execution.
It’s strange to think that while Obama was completing his evisceration of the Donald and reflecting on the sleepless nights Trump must survive deciding what B-lister to kick off his show, he knew all along that this operation was going on at the same time. A genuine keep-you-up-at-night situation, much in contrast to reality show nonsense.
It saddens me that my president has to waste his time mollifying pea-brains.
I am disgusted by the term “retard” used by Suzie earlier. I work with developmentally delayed persons and that is offensive to use anymore. And he is the President, what terrible problems she must have personally to spew such disgusting rhetoric.
#84- gdad’s correct. It’s the backup at the labs that make the process drag on so long- not the tests itself. Here’s an example of how long it would take a regular citizen, if they pay for their own DNA test, to get results. And remember this company is doing DNA for a multitude of other people too. It’s not like Bin Laden’s case where the lab has all its resources concentrated on only this one person.
“How fast can I get my results? Once all samples have been received in the lab, we typically have results in as little as 48-72 hours. We also provide results immediately by telephone so that you don’t have to wait on the mail.” http://fast-dna-paternity-testing.com/faq#8
Art Hill,
I’m not a big GWB fan. However, I don’t believe that he would have allowed the neo-cons or anyone else to keep him from getting Bin Laden if he had a serious chance of getting him.
“Now that the target has been eliminated Obama should pull the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.”
Yes, he should. But will he? That remains to be seen.
After all, Iraq had nothing to do with Bin Laden to begin with.
VT Hokie,
I’m thinking it’s because an alive/on trial Bin Laden is a focal point around which militant Islamists could rally or try to free.
The handling of DNA got much, much simpler with PCR DNA analysis, a process invented by biochemist Kerry Mullis (he shared a Nobel Prize for it. Mullis is an interesting character.
Word is, he’s coming to Blacksburg this fall. I’m hoping for the opportunity to meet him at that time.
“I’m not a big GWB fan. However, I don’t believe that he would have allowed the neo-cons or anyone else to keep him from getting Bin Laden if he had a serious chance of getting him.”
I believe Bush would dearly have loved to get Bin Laden.
On the other hand, there is always Cat’s Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut, which posited Art’s theory decades before the 9/11.
Osama’s courier was identified by a detainee four years ago. That’s when who was president? Where are all of the folks now who were saying how awful it was to detain and waterboard these people?
The tinfoil hat and 8-dozen copies of Catcher in the Rye crowd is out in full force today, I see.
I cannot imagine a public execution of Bin Laden resulting in anything but another 10 years of payback from AQ.
I’m sure there are pictures for internal use of the military, but I don’t see what’s gained displaying them. Those horrible picture of Saddam’s bloody dead sons weren’t particularly uplifting, and there’s something prurient about wanting to see some stranger’s dead body.
No, Obama won’t pull the troops out just yet – he will wait till closer to time for the 2012 elections to pull that “trump card” (no pun intended). Unfortunately for him, he may be peaking too early with this Bin Laden thing. Don’t kid yourself – all of this hoopla is a very carefully orchestrated campaign re-election prop.
Yes Dan there is Cat’s Cradle, but it’s fiction.
Notice that while Obama did not mention President Bush or acknowledge his efforts to kill or capture Bin Laden, by contrast GW released a statement congratulating and thanking Obama for his “accomplishment”. Just goes to show the difference in a classy ex-President and the ghetto mentality of this clown Obama.
This is kind of unnerving… the fat lady just sang.
“We need to open the program today by congratulating President Obama,” he said. “President Obama has done something extremely effective, and when he does, this needs to be pointed out.”
“In fact, it may be that President Obama single-handedly came up with the technique in order to pull this off. You see, the military wanted to go in there and bomb like they always do. They wanted to go in there and drop missiles and launch bombs, a number of totally destructive techniques here. But President Obama, perhaps the only qualified member in the room to deal with this, insisted on the Special Forces. No one else thought of that. Not a single intelligence advisor, not a single national security advisor, not a single military advisor came up with the idea of using SEAL Team 6 or any of the Special Forces.
Our military wanted to go in there and just scorch the earth, leaving no evidence of anything after the mission. But President Obama single-handedly understood what was at stake here. He alone understood the need to get DNA to prove the death. Obama alone understood the aftermath, alone understood that there would be doubting Thomases if the place was just obliterated and no evidence was to be found. According to news reports, not one member of the military, not General Petraeus, nobody in the intel community, nobody had the slightest idea of going in there and using Special Forces. It was President Obama, single-handedly and alone, who came up with the strategy that brought about the effective assassination of Osama Bin Laden.”
This was actually from Rush Limbaugh.
From all appearances this was a class act of America 101 all the way down the line. From the intel, to the secrecy of the mission to the precision execution of the event (even with a chopper down). President Obama called Bush and Clinton to inform them and despite the vile haters, he too was a class act.
Muslim beliefs call for burial within 24 hours, no need to desecrate the body (as terrorists do) and draw the ire of the devout. He had to be buried at sea or in Pakistan or Afghanistan and that would have given them a shrine. Again, best decision for the situation.
Tear it any way you like, this was a good moment for the US, the military, the war effort, 9/11 survivors, America and President Obama. It is what it is. Success.
#91 DD, this lib has no illusion whatsoever that killing bin Laden is game, set, match for 2012. In fact, I suspect it will have little impact at all.
DD is 100 percent incorrect that “Obama did not mention President Bush. . .”
There are transcripts of the president’s remarks out there, you know.
Does Rush have a sarcasm font on his site? Because the way it reads, it’s dripping sarcasm.
#101 Jack, four years ago we were no longer waterboarding people.
Dan,I have to agree. The constant repetition of “alone” and “singlehandedly” shows his hand. Sad, because I though Rush must have sprung a brain aneurysm or something.
Obama called Bush before making the big announcement on TV.
#106 Obama did in fact “mention” Bush. He also talked about work done during the Bush presidency.
And please explain to us what “ghetto mentality” means, DD.
I guess this is a message to terrorists that they are not safe, even if they think they are.
I doubt that someone like Bin Laden would have let them take him alive, so those troops had to do what they did, just as they did it. Thankfully we did not lose any troops, SEALS, or anyone in the operation.
#107 That’s sarcasm from Rash, Magpie. He has nothing solid to criticize Obama about, so he resorts to sarcasm that tries to take some of the credit from the president.
This was actually from Rush Limbaugh.
Comment by Magpie — May 2, 2011 @ 2:45 pm
You’re right Magpie, it’s unnerving. As Paul Harvey used to say, “…and now for the rest of the story.”
#108 Well said, Sandi. I’ve already seen some right wingers sneering at our “weakness” for burying him according to Muslim custom, but it was exactly the right thing to do. As you said, burial at sea is acceptable and it deprives the rabid of a physical focal point for their devotion. Somebody should tear down the compound where he died as well.
#110 DD is 100 percent incorrect that “Obama did not mention President Bush. . .”
There are transcripts of the president’s remarks out there, you know.
One of many things “Dawg” is incorrect about, heard it myself this morning. Available on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNYmK19-d0U&feature=featured
No spin here.
Good men doing their duty.
We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us. — allegedly said by George Orwell.
OTOH, there is no evidence that Orwell ever wrote or uttered either of common versions of this idea.
[They have a slight resonance to comments made by Orwell about Rudyard Kipling. Orwell wrote, that Kipling's "grasp of function, of who protects whom, is very sound. He sees clearly that men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them." (1942) ]
IMHO, forget who was safely tucked away behind armed guards at the time.
Forget the politics.
Stand proud of the rough men who did their duty.
I know – Dan I read the transcript of his address to the Nation. He NEVER mention GW. Prove me wrong….your post is his White House Briefing not his address to the nation – and he STILL did not thanks GW in the example you provided, only that he spoke to GW and Clinton before his speech. Geez, and you call yourself a journalist? Maybe that’s why you are assigned to Metro -
“I cannot imagine a public execution of Bin Laden resulting in anything but another 10 years of payback from AQ.”
I suppose so. But, we did put a bullet in his head. Whether public or not, we killed him, he’s dead. Does that in itself not warrant payback? I personally don’t see how we could make it worse….but then again I don’t claim to be able to get inside the heads of al-Qaida members.
DD: “Notice that while Obama did not mention President Bush or acknowledge his efforts to kill or capture Bin Laden. . .”
Obama: “As we do, we must also reaffirm that the United States is not –- and never will be -– at war with Islam. I’ve made clear, just as President Bush did shortly after 9/11, that our war is not against Islam.”
#107 BTW, Magpie, we all know that if this had happened under a Repub president, Rash would have been lavishing said president with praise. You’ll also note that, despite Rash’s weak sarcasm that suggests everybody is wrongly crediting Obama and Obama alone for this, that’s not the case at all. Virtually every statement I’ve seen congratulates the entire military and intelligence communities.
Obama certainly deserves credit, however, for making the ultimate decision to do it the right way. And for taking the chance that it could all go terribly wrong.
#111- Of course he praises Bush and how Obama just continued Bush’s program. Still, he did say those words above. I know it’s hard to believe, but there are links all over the internet with the radio and video feed of this. And that link I gave you was actually from Rush’s site- not the Onion.
Magpie, you need to re-read that and understand that Rush is being sarcastic in an attempt to mock Obama for taking any credit. That’s all he’s left to do, since he can’t exactly honestly admit something positive happened on O’s watch that didn’t happen on W’s watch.
Dan, you know you could have played along a little better, so certain people would actually feel the need to run to church and pray hard thinking it was the end of the world.
He actually did give credit to Obama for pulling this off though. Yeah, maybe not in the overflowing love-love way he spoofed, but it’s a start. I don’t know to what. Hopefully not really the end of the world!
DD, Dan DID post the address to the nation. From the top of the page Dan linked to: “Tonight, President Obama ADDRESSED TO THE NATION [emphasis added] to announce that the United States has killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda. Watch or read his full remarks below…”
Those Seals need no go ahead, they were trained for just this
obama never has and never will be a class act sandi
“and he STILL did not thanks GW in the example you provided”
Thank him for what? The thanks is owed to the seals and intelligence workers who made this possible and took the risk.
Bin Ladin is one more dead body in an endless line of them since 9/10. His death brings no one back, and I look forward to celebrating the day every single one of our soldiers is out of that hellhole and back here. That’s the “victory” I want to celebrate.
Hey “Dawg”, doubt all you want about the DNA, I know as a birther you’re still hurtin’ and lookin’ for a new bogus issue. Thought you’d might like to read up on how the DNA ID was made. I know, I know, it’s all BS, Bin Laden is still alive, probably Obama’s foreign affairs advisor…
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/05/02/135920047/how-do-they-know-he-was-bin-laden
#121 Dude, DD, the address to the nation is where he mentions Shrub. You’re all messed up.
Funny how the foxwatchers think Bush should get credit for bin Laden’s death but shouldn’t be held responsible for the sour economy. Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.
Regardless of who is ultimately responsible for this… It is a feather in the cap of Obama and a black eye on the US in terms of how we are viewed by remaining Al Qaeda members.
The other shoe WILL drop…. it’s just a matter of time.
@Sandi #108,
I don’t think any of the countries were willing to take the body. At least that is what I read somewhere today. Burial at sea wasn’t the first choice.
“Yes Dan there is Cat’s Cradle, but it’s fiction.”
“Truth is stranger than fiction.”
-Grandpa Jones-
Here’s what I think is a humorous response to all the birthers out there. Please keep in mind this is not an official white house response to the matter.
http://i.imgur.com/KDssc.jpg
On a funny note, CNN has on its crawl “Limbaugh: THANK GOD FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA”.
I bet he’s losing listeners as we speak.
As someone said earlier, Bush would never have killed Bin Laden as he was was the Neocons meal ticket to the “endless war.” (their terminology) Now that the target has been eliminated Obama should pull the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. Mission accomplished!
Comment by Art Hill
Art, while i agree with the first part of your statement about Bush and killing Bin Laden… (obviously he blew up two countries that the guy wasn’t located in.) But evacuating Iraq and Afghanistan immediately would be a terrible mistake. This is exactly the kind of thing that got us in this mess in Afghanistan to begin with. US Operatives and funding dried up after the Mujahedeen defeated the soviets, but left many dead. This left a nice vacuum for fundamentalists to breed. If we pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq without ensuring peace and stability (what little they have) we will likely create a new threat to face in another 15-20 years.
If Obama cured cancer by mixing chocolate with aspirin, DD would find a way to spin it into something terrible.
You can’t appease those that have opinions so deep-seeded that they can’t publicly tell you why they have those opinions…as they are too embarrassed to let the world know of their stoic, stubborn ignorance.
“On a funny note, CNN has on its crawl “Limbaugh: THANK GOD FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA”.
I bet he’s losing listeners as we speak.”
I’d say Rush probably wins both ways with this. The crawl makes him sound magnanimous, while all of his listeners know he doesn’t mean it.
“And that link I gave you was actually from Rush’s site- not the Onion”
Hard to tell the difference sometimes.
I’m waiting for the first Freeper to call Limbaugh a RINO.
I thought judgement day was supposed to be the 21st….maybe it’s coming early.
scott,
I don’t think it’s possible for us to “ensure peace and stability” in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Leaving Saddam and Iraq alone, with the no-fly zone and weapons inspections, would have done more to ensure peace and stability there. We went in to steal the oil.
#129 Janes, let’s be realistic. The seals don’t undertake a mission like this without being told to do so from the highest level. Do you think they were just sitting in their quarters a little bored and said, “Hey, let’s go get that big compound there in Pakistan. I’ll bet bin Laden’s in there”?
ehhhh Dan, I don’t think it was that simple, we import more oil from this side of the prime meridian.
I guess I don’t mean “ensure” peace and stability, but help foster it. Just using one of these countries like Afghanistan as a means to an end to achieve our goals, and then abandoning it after we accomplish our goals is terrible. See some of the aftermath as depicted in Charlie Wilson’s War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone#Aftermath
Do we want to repeat the same stupid error?
“If we pull out…without ensuring peace and stability”
We can’t police the world, Scott. IMHO the only thing the Iraq war “accomplished” was replacing one strongman with another at the cost of tens of thousands of innocent lives. In Afghanistan we’re propping up a corrupt leader who may, on a good day, control the city limits of Kabul. There will always be terrorists, Obama showed the world how take one out with minimum collateral damage, let’s hope he expands on that doctrine.
I think we need to remember one thing. We’re all rejoicing about killing someone. From a tactical and strategic standpoint, of course it was the right thing to do, but that’s not the point.
The photos I’ve seen of people waving flags and cheering, etc. don’t strike me as being too different from seeing the photos of the Muslim world cheering when the Twin Towers fell. Let’s not forget true courage is resolving problems peacefully with no bloodshed. Fighting and killing your enemy is the easy way out.
I think the proper reaction would be folks being thankful that he’s dead but spend more time remembering his victims and their sacrifice. The general public’s reaction right now seems to be very primal (revenge) driven by the smell of blood. Kind of troubling.
Steal the oil? How do you back that statement up? Facts, Dan, not an opinion.
Humorous observation from the comments at Scott Whitaker’s link. Will the birthers now be deathers as well?
It had everything to do with him. Every single serviceperson in uniform works for Obama. What do you think “Commander in Chief” means? He doesn’t have to try to make himself relevant to this…he’s completely relevant.
No, the military laughs at this idiot’s incompetence. Stanley McChrystal was just the tip of the iceberg. 0bama is Ted Baxter.
Here are the salient lessons. The methods used by Bush and loudly denounced by the left were EXACTLY the tools that led to this event that 0bama is taking credit for:
1) Agressive interrogation techniques at Guantanamo.
2) Unilateral American action done without consultation with the international community.
I know this is repetitive, but once again, Bush was proven right and the leftwing turds were proven wrong.
It’s not hard to tell which is the real leader.
In comparing Bush’s remarks after the capture of Hussein in 2003 to those of 0bama last night after the killing of Bin Laden, note the differences.
Bush gave 100% of the credit to the forces. Not once did he mention his own role, whereas 0bama tooted his own horn, repeatedly taking credit for the Special Forces’ work.
0bama repeated a variation of “I”"my” “me” or “mine” ten times. It was clearly about him. Bush used the word “I” four times, all in reference to others” “I thank….” “I congratulate…” etc.
A strong leader comfortable in his own skin as Bush was, was content to give others the credit. A weak leader like 0bama feels the need to try to elevate himself.
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/wariniraq/gwbushiraq121403.htmhttp://millbrae.patch.com/articles/full-transcript-of-president-obamas-speech-on-bin-ladens-death
I’m waiting for the first Freeper to call Limbaugh a RINO.
You have to laugh at these morons who pull Rush transcripts and take them literally without understanding the irony and sarcasm he uses. The best way to avoid looking stupid is simple. If you don’t listen to Rush, don’t comment.
I am disgusted by the term “retard” used by Suzie earlier. I work with developmentally delayed persons and that is offensive to use anymore. And he is the President, what terrible problems she must have personally to spew such disgusting rhetoric.
“Retarded” and” developmentally delayed” mean the same thing. Sorry, I don’t play the PC game.
Scott,
Do I believe that we should withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq immediately? No. But, we need to be getting out sooner rather than later. We need to do so because irregardless of what some would suggest, it is unlikely, in my view, we will ever create a democratic government in either country. Certainly not a democratic government we would recognize. Iraq, Afghanistan and many other middle eastern countries have very different cultural and societal norms. They are largely tribal societies and different parts of each of the countries have very different cultural histories. While I respect that others view this differently from me, we cannot impose our will and our governmental structures on them. Others have tried for centuries and have failed.
I don’t know how old you are Scott, but as an undergraduate history and political science major in the early/mid 1960s I read a couple of books that really impacted my view of the world in which I lived. The first two were written by Barbara Ward Jackson. RICH NATIONS AND THE POOR NATIONS (1961) and NATIONALISM & IDEALOGY (A series of lectures given at Carleton University in 1966). A third book entitled THE NATURE OF THE NON-WESTERN WORLD by Vera Nichles Dean was published in 1957. For the first time I was forced to look at something other than my European/American personal history. Admittedly the world has changed since the 1950s and 1960s. We’ve learned much about other parts of the world since then. Nonetheless, few Americans truly understand societies and cultures.
Our current society, like it not, has evolved over the course of approximately 400 years. Fortunately, in the late 18th century the American colonies benefitted from philosophies and ideas that grew out of the Enlightenment. Our founding fathers and mothers developed the concept of the democratic republic in which we live today. Imperfect as it is, it is the society and governmental structure we put in place since 1776. It is unique to us. For us to think we can, in a nation or nations with very different societal and cultural norms, build a duplicate of what we have is, in my view, pure hubris.
We’ve wasted many lives and a hell of a lot of money trying to do that in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is not said to demean the effort and sacrifice of our military men and women. They did what they were ordered to do by their civilian commanders. It’s time for an exit strategy to be developed and implemented.
There is no “fixing” what was done wrong in Iraq or Afghanistan and there is no way that we can leave Qaddafi in power without serious containment. The people fighting to remove him deserve our support to some extent (barring troops on the ground). We cannot cut and run now, with this change we might have a real chance to turn this debacle into a success and for all those deaths to not be in vain. I am willing to see what shakes out. I think the pullout and turn over in Afghanistan needs to stay on track for this year and I think we need to wind down in Iraq and leave them to their destiny even if that is as a contained enemy. It is what it is and nothing we do can fix it now IMO. Pakistan will have to be dealt with as well. There is no doubt they knew he was there, they lied to us and they were not an ally in any real sense.
Sorry that should be …”few Americans truly understand non western societies and cultures.”
Also, it should be “Our current society, like it or not,…”
You know, after reading some of the reports about this event, I’m really, questioning what kind of relationship we should have with Pakistan. Apparently the US armed forces and intelligence community find them so unreliable that they absolutely cut them out of the intelligence loop. Either they been play’n us or their government is absolutely clueless.
Islamic fundamentalists have deep influence into the Pakistani intelligence community and the military. And, the Pakistanis have nukes. That’s the only reason we’re still in Afghanistan.
I’m not very surprised Bin Laden was hiding in plain sight, within 1,000 feet of a Pakistani military academy. I am kind of surprised he didn’t have some kind of escape tunnel, or hiding place in that house. Pablo Escobar had those in every one of his places.
Heck, I toured a house in Roanoke County today that had a hiding place secreted behind some built-in bookshelves, accessible only via a hidden latch. You could get in there in four seconds. More in my column tomorrow…
Suzie Q,
Your comments are just sad.
MikeScott…our relationship with Pakistan should involve us giving them no more aid whatsoever until they straighten up.
Jane…constitutional fail.
The best way to avoid looking stupid is indeed simple, don’t listen to Flimflambaugh, or don’t comment if you do, then buy some humanity and decency. Obviously not something Suzie is capable of.
“Note that it was CIA and military intelligence that tracked down and took out bin Laden, not some minimum-wage TSA types doing gropes and feels at the airport or hassling passengers over having 4 ounces of fluids in their luggage or other “contraband” that could be used to do some type of harm.”
Are you really that naive? As someone who will be flying later this week, grope and feel away guys!
“We went in to steal the oil”
Riiiiight. That’s why gas costs 85 cents a gallon here and $4 a gallon in Iraq, right Dan? Oh wait . . .
Kudos to Obama for having the guts to make the call and then stand in front of the world and say he authorized the killing of Bin Laden. Sure he may gain some political capital from it but that’s just how it goes and the critics will just have to get over it. If politicians AND the public would put more emphasis on getting the job done all the time and less emphasis on how they can benefit from something, our operators would get a lot more done. Whatever your politics, it took balls to take credit for ordering the killing of someone so widely hailed as hero to your enemies.
That said, the real credit goes to the spooks, planners and operators who put this together and pulled it off. Outstanding job guys!
ps – Dan, what the hell is wrong with the RT blog? It takes forever to load lately but the rest of the roanoke.com site seems to work fine.
Just got back a little while ago from a golf tournament at Blacksburg Country Club so I haven’t read up on the latest news.
They had a ‘burial at sea’ for Bin Laden because obama was ‘afraid’ the Muslims would be upset cause they believe the body should be buried within 24 hours of death, right? I’m wondering if Muslims consider a ‘burial at sea’ to be the same thing as a regular in the ground burial AND I’m wondering exactly how far did they have to go to find a sea to bury him in from Pakistan? A thousand miles or so? And if so, why didn’t they just bury him in Pakistan? Did they shove him in a rocket and shoot him out to sea??
“Facts…not an opinion.”
You must be new here.
Chuck,
They never accomplished their oil-stealing goal. There’s less oil coming out of Iraq now that there was in 1990. They were thwarted. It was a rotten plan.
As for the RT blog, I have no idea. But I’ll pass along your concerns.
A festering scab on the integrity of America.
Granddaddy established the vast family fortune by laundering NAZI WW2 booty. Daddy was in the darkest corners of CIA during Vietnam, BOP, MK and Kennedy to name a few. Daddy blatantly perverted American justice and law by stealing the election from Gore. Junior blatantly lied to the world about WMD in order to STEAL funding from the trusting American people and to gain international support. Junior murdered 10s of thousands of innocent women and children with no justification. Junior committed genocide by ordering the use of depleted uranium. Junior entertained Rothschild overnight in the Whitehouse around the time of 911. These are some of the absolute worst crimes against humanity in world history. Combine these crimes with the worldwide military and economic crimes that are the aftermath of 911 and you have the most hideously evil criminals in our history. Find out if the Rothschilds operate at the behest of their clients or autonomously, take the resultant name and put it next to the name Bush and you have the two key parties responsible for 911 and the aftermath.
The proof is readily available for anyone caring to discover it. Before the next murderous instalment on our brothers and sisters through the war on terror we need to cut away this cancer from society once and for all. We need to remember that the strongest force on earth is the numbers of population. These evil people cannot go unpunished unless you allow it. Before we decide on the appropriate action we should hold one image in our mind. The image of innocent people, average decent folk, patriotic people, church going people ALL BEING FORCED TO JUMP TO THEIR DEATH FROM A HIGH RISE BUILDING IN ORDER TO AVOID BEING BURNED ALIVE.
They never accomplished their oil-stealing goal. There’s less oil coming out of Iraq now that there was in 1990. They were thwarted. It was a rotten plan.
That’s rich. The left was FOS in claiming a sinister plot. Then instead of admitting their lie when it didn’t happen, they say “Well, it was a poorly executed plot”.
Just admit you people are lying SOBs. Save everybody time.
#126- abdnva, yeah I know. I actually got the idea of doing that from a forum I was following. One of the Navy guys was talking about this spoof he pulled on his friend, making him think that Rush had gone around the bend and switched sides. I tried the same thing here. At least I did play fair and provide a link that actually had Rush’s whole spiel- not just that first part like the others do. If people took the time to read through the whole thing they’d see what Rush was really doing. I was hoping his worshipers wouldn’t be able to make it through that first part without going apoplectic and calling him a RINO.
#143- ha, too true!
#166 The main reason we buried him at sea was so that Muslim fanatics wouldn’t have a shrine to go to.
#156 “Retarded” and” developmentally delayed” mean the same thing. Sorry, I don’t play the PC game.”
So now we know that Suzie would use the “n” word instead of black or African American if Dan allowed it because, after all, they mean the same thing and she doesn’t play the PC game.
Suzie Q and her ilk say what they say because they can’t accept reality. The article linked below outlines what they are about.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-relentless-smear-campaign-against-obama/2011/04/29/AFkSVyGF_story.html
Suzie plays plenty of games, including impersonating an educated, wealthy woman. It is only anything requiring some actual humanity or humility that she cannot muster so she pretends it is beneath her. Typical.
Actually no, the burial at sea is not part of any acceptable Muslim burial ritual, but it can make a nifty excuse. We denied him his final resting place being a shrine and no pointing toward Mecca with a perfectly plausible reason. Stop analyzing it and accept it as the victory it is, even if it kills you to give it to Obama, because we all know you damn well would have happily given him the blame if it had gone wrong. Ask Carter, the difference in hero and a zero is the success of the mission.
Do you really feel safer, Chuck, because the TSA security theater has limited fluids to 3 ounce bottles? So what’s the difference between 12 ounces in one bottle or 15 ounces in 5 bottles? All it takes is a bunch of small bottles of nasty stuff and one big empty bottle to combine the stuff in and the terrorist is in business — if he wants to do mayhem on a plane. But there are many other ways to do bad things that these folks are thinking about that can be uncovered by insiders, informants, investigation, and good intelligence gathering. That’s how the bombs in printers plot was uncovered — not by the TSA thugs at airport checkpoints, who only act in response to something that already happened (“please remove your shoes”).
#12 The troll is back to trying t5o garner all the attention she can. I suspect she was ignored completely on her “trip.”
Wouldn’t burning his body to ashes accomplish the same thing? How far did we have to fly his body to get it to that ‘sea’ we buried him in??
The liberal mindset…. ‘stop analyzing everything!’
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Sandi, make no mistake, obama had NO hand in this victory. He would just as soon piss on any of our soldiers. Why don’t you talk to a few of our real men who have been there and back and ask THEM how they, and their brothers and sisters still over there, feel about our current president?? Until you do, perhaps you shouldn’t be so quick to raise your mighty obama’s hand in victory, Sandi Saunders.
Stewart on bin Laden, “Bye, Bye Beardie” and “To kill a Mockingturd.”
Danged if I would have “followed Muslim custom” with this mass murderer. But 0bama must appease these Islamofascists. Unless of course he’s Muslim himself which we know he probably has been at one time.
Amazing after 0bama’s classless insults against Donald Trump, the guy who’s been eating his lunch the past several months, 0bama gets his buddies at NBC to pre-empt Trump’s highly-rated show at 10:30 when 0bama didn’t even begin his self-serving speech until after the show would have been over.
These are the actions of a very small person.
“Amazing after 0bama’s classless insults against Donald Trump, the guy who’s been eating his lunch the past several months, 0bama gets his buddies at NBC to pre-empt Trump’s highly-rated show at 10:30 when 0bama didn’t even begin his self-serving speech until after the show would have been over.
These are the actions of a very small person.”
Suzie’s point is an interesting one. Does anyone else believed Obama should have timed the strike against Osama so as not to interfere with “Celebrity Apprentice?”
From Letterman’s Top Ten list of “Osama bin Laden’s Last Words.”
Number Two- “I need a house full of Navy SEALS like I need a hole in the head.”
BaddaBOOM!!
So Bush was proven once again to be dead on. No wonder there were celebrations outside the Bush home today, as there fittingly should have been since his policies and actions resulted in OBL’s capture. I’m starting to think Bush was the greatest war president since Abraham Lincoln. He has been right on EVERYTHING. From the surge, to interrogation techniques, to unilateral military action, to the war on terror, to the best way of preventing terrorist attacks, to the contention that Iraq was winnable (against the predictions of the naysayers).
And ever the modest man, Bush refused to take credit, instead offering it to his soldiers. Contrast that to the I, my, me style of 0bama in his speech where he took credit for the capture.
Not to keep stating the obvious, but 0bama looks woefully inept compared to George W. Bush.
So now the left is in the awkward position of having to defend Bush policies that resulted in this capture; interrogations and unilateral military action. And this is after the left spent 7 years blasting those policies. So does Idiot Boy’s administration proceed ahead with prosecutions of Bush admin. folks for ‘illegal’ interrogations? Knowing how 0bama works, he’ll continue with those witch hunts while the media lets him get away with it.
Suzie’s point is an interesting one. Does anyone else believed Obama should have timed the strike against Osama so as not to interfere with “Celebrity Apprentice?”
Umm. The strike took place in the afternoon our time. 0bama didn’t have to pre-empt his rival’s show for an announcement he didn’t even make during that time. What a small petty SOB.
This is why I like Colin Powell…
(taken from CNN transcripts)
BLITZER: You know, they gave him a proper Muslim burial at sea. I suppose they didn’t want any location where his supporters could come and make him a martyr and celebrate him and be inspired by him. So, they thought the best thing to do is just dump the body at sea. A smart decision?
POWELL: I think it’s a very smart decision, and as they said, it’s a proper Muslim burial. That’s more than he ever gave to the 3,000 people who –
BLITZER: Did he deserve a proper Muslim burial given –
POWELL: That’s who we are. That’s who we are. We’re Americans. And we try to respect beliefs of others, and it would have been not in our interest to have essentially discarded the body if we had the opportunity to give him both a proper Muslim burial.
Too bad he couldn’t preempt him permanently. CA is among the top three most tasteless, classless shows on television. But how could it be anything else with woodchuck hair as its host?
The right-wing echo chamber, caught flat-footed by the news, will huddle with the likes of Frank Luntz and begin their assault on the president in earnest. Where are the pictures? Why didn’t you act sooner? Shouldn’t Bush get the credit? It will be interesting to see how they defend the likes of bin Laden, but we all know they will.
dear all,
i know my comment is not of real use since i live in The Netherlands and am a Dutch citizen. I came to see your discussions by chance but like to react. what happened to America ? Freedom of speech, yes, but what happened to respect ?? in Holland you can, like in The States agree or disagree with your government BUT we always RESPECT our leader and give credit where credit is due ! I always thought America stood by it’s leaders throughout time.
If disrespectfull Americans will not..I will. Thank you mr. Obama. On behalf of all the Dutch that for a long time wondered if this guy would ever get caught.
well done mr. Obama, and well done to the soldiers you so bravely lead under the pressure of grudgefull groups of people that forgot what respect for their leader means.
I wish you all well and congratulate you.
Forgive my spelling errors.
R. Derksen in Amsterdam Holland Europe
Trump and his show with third ranked celebrities just reek class. How dare anyone interrupt such a worthwhile show, to announce the death of a mass murderer.
“Sandi, make no mistake, obama had NO hand in this victory.”
You can’t be serious.
The right gets more desperate every day. Don’t fret…even absent Obama’s mighty victory over Al Q, the GOP doesn’t have anything that looks like a viable candidate.
The ability of people on this blog to turn anything into a political “we/they” contest of political credit and blame from anything to who killed OBL to weather events is unbelievable. The main reason I quit posting here is no amount of arguing or discussing any of these issues will ever change that. What a shame.
No I don’t think the Donald should be exempted. Additionally, I don’t believe the announcement that the President was coming on at 10:30 was meant to interfere with Celebrity Apprentice. In retrospect, it could have been a way for the President to not so subtly showing the Donald who really does have power.
The raid was slated for Saturday, then postponed to Sunday for weather. So I think Suzie should blame Robin Reed!
S00zie, J0nas, or Norman Bates,(probably closest to truth!!) conveniently forgets that Bush had 6 years to get Bin Laden, but did not.
“Granddaddy (Prescott Bush) established the vast family fortune by laundering NAZI WW2 booty. Daddy (Bush) was in the darkest corners of CIA during Vietnam, BOP, MK and Kennedy to name a few.”
Those things get forgotten too.
There is simply no point in engaging people so mad with hate that they cannot have an honest conversation. I would sooner choose death than live like Marked Man and Suzie choose to. You know what, you convinced me of one thing though, this is a complete and utter waste of my time. It is all yours, wallow like the vermin you are.
@188
Well, just to be fair, if Donald is able to find out what Really happened to Biggie or Tupac, I think the Whitehouse should allow him to use the oval office for the press conference…
I think that would be fair, don’t you Orly… I mean Suzie?
#181 Round of golf got you a little teed up there, MMM? Something must have goaded you into dragging out that baseless old talking point from the Clinton days.
Most of the service people I know who are pissed off at a president are pissed off at Bush. He’s the one that got us into and then mismanaged useless wars and who sent them back for multiple tours.
#184 Nice satire, toots. Funny stuff.
#187 Dang, another comedy routine! You’re on fire, dunderhead.
#198 Thanks, Ken, I had forgotten the other identities the troll had posted under.
S00zie, J0nas, or Norman Bates,(probably closest to truth!!) conveniently forgets that Bush had 6 years to get Bin Laden, but did not.
Let’s be clear (in the words of Chimpy). Had the Democrats gotten their way and we continued to defund the Special Ops as Clinton did and 0bama proposed, and as Bush reversed, we would not have had the capability of getting OBL, and 0bama would not have been able to grandstand and pretend he did something.
Thank you Suzie for making my point a little better than I did. Dan thinks because Obama mentioned GW, that’s the same thing as giving credit. Apparently for these stupid Libs, you have to lay everything out so their simple little pea brains can comprehend anything over one syllable. What Obama DID not do, that GW did, is THANK GW for all the efforts made during his administration, and for putting in place many, if not most of the operatives around the world to monitor Bin Laden all these years. Obama never said Thanks, Good Job, etc. Obama is classless. As Suzie said, compare the statement by GW to Obama’s speech, in regards to giving credit and thanks. No comparison. GAME, SET, MATCH!
#206 Obama is driving you rednecks so crazy!! It’s great.
#205 Special Ops is part of the vastly wasteful military budget and hence should be part of budget cuts, just like anybody else. Theres little doubt they can cut fraud and duplication and do everything they do now with less money.
Shrub, OTH, loved wasting your tax money on the military and particularly on paying civilian businesses to charge outrageous sums.
Again, DD, what on earth would Obama give W credit for, precisely? Leaving Osama over there to find?
Bush didn’t do a good job. He left the country a wall to wall disaster, at home and abroad. Bush is lucky Obama didn’t call him out as the worthless sockpuppet he was. He gets credit for nothing but starting a bunch of loser military adventures and gutting the treasury.
Norman, Bush had 6 years to get Bin Laden, but did not. Obama did it in about 2. Truth be told, we have the intel and SEALS to thank, but why did it happen in 2 years under Obama, and not in the 6 years under Bush?
No one has really explained that yet, Norman.
“obama had NO hand in this victory”
REALLY??? REALLY??? Who made the call on April 29 to go in, MMM? OBAMA
Who was the one making the decisions based on reports from NSA, the CIA and military intelligence? OBAMA
To paraphrase Obama’s predecessor, President Obama is the decider. He was the one who told them to kill if Osama resisted. Special Ops did what the Commander in Chief told them to do.
I realize you would rather eat dirt than give our President any credit for a job well done, so in that regard, I have a nice mud pie ready for you.
DD – President Obama spoke to President Bush before the speech to the nation. You have no clue what he said. How do know that President Obama did not thank President Bush for his efforts on the phone? YOU DON’T.
It’s not enough for you that President Obama gave thanks to our military and intelligence officers for their efforts, is it?
@all, I hope you read Derksen’s post on this thread. He’s from The Netherlans and saw this thread by chance. I agree with him 100 percent. FREEDOM OF SPEECH should produce RESPECT. It sure isn’t happening on this blog. This blog has turned into a forum for juvenile name calling rather than thoughtfull discussion.
Bush said that finding Osama was not a priority. He said this on camera, by the way, during a White House press conference.
“. . .he’s a person who’s now been marginalized. . .I don’t know where he is. I just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you. . .”
Oh, Obama didn’t thank Bush. The Washington Times publishes an editorial “No Class: Obama snubs Bush, praises himself”. Elsewhere I’ve seen comments saying Palin and a couple of Republican politicians thanked Bush but didn’t even bring up Obama’s name, let alone thank him.
You’re missing what’s important by concentrating and harping on useless minutia like this. I think we all need to go back and read comment #37 & #39 again to remember what this really should be about, and no it’s not the Divided States of America.
Dan – you must have a problem comprehending what people are saying – your quote does not say that Osama was not a priority. Read it again,dumbo…….
#212 One of the many times Bush showed what a child he was. EVERYBODY knew that in reality he was saying this because in fact he didn’t know where he was and he was frustrated and pouting about it.
Dan @ 213 – President Obama, however, made finding OBL his top National Security objective shortly after taking office, and he had campaigned in 2008 that he would find and kill OBL.
#209 “Again, DD, what on earth would Obama give W credit for, precisely? Leaving Osama over there to find?”
Bingo.
“I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.”
-Martin Luther King, Jr.
Something to think about.
Let me see if I can clarify for you morons:
Everyone pretty much agrees OBL is and has been out of the power loop for years due to his isolation and the absence of all forms electronic communications. President Bush accomplished that mission and rightly noted the physical apprehension of OBL wasn’t that big a deal any more.
At the same time, Bush resurrected our special forces and funded them. Their skill in bringing OBL to justice enabled Chimpy to grandstand like he did, and pretend he finally made a small accomplishment after two years of utter failure in every other avenue. The irony was 0bama’s one tiny claim was 100% enabled by Bush policies, those which were criticized by 0bama himself. And now the small leftwing hypocrite who announced plans to prosecute Bush administration folks is now piggybacking on their policies, claiming credit for the results of those policies.
The fact is, 0bama tried his best to screw this whole operation up. His first option was to capture Bin Laden, read him his Miranda rights, get him a team of trial lawyers, having a show trial in New York, and watch him slither away, making a total laughingstock of our country and our system. Thank God, OBL didn’t let him do that.
. “Do you think they were just sitting in their quarters a little bored and said, “Hey, let’s go get that big compound there in Pakistan. I’ll bet bin Laden’s in there”? ”
They weren’t even given the information about the person they were training to take.
I do applaud our fine military in this instance…they did a great job taking and executing the orders of their commander in chief. Good work!
Gosh… how terrible is it when a sitting President actually gets good intelligence info and checks off on a plan to get the world’s most wanted criminal? And yes, W. gets some credit, as well as Congress because they appropriated vast amounts of borrowed money to support the intelligence infrastructure that finally nabbed OBL.
You can bet if the plan had gone awry, the same positive political reactions from the success could just as easily gone down the rat hole of negativity. Just ask Jimmy Carter.
Most of us are smart enough to realize the pakistanis where protecting bin laden. Did you also realize this “Compound” bin laden was living in was a Few Hundred Yards from Pakistan’s prestigious military academy in Abbotabad.? I say cut all aid to Pakistan now. Our money probably built the compound bin laden was hiding in for crying ut loud!
“American diplomats were told that one of the key reasons why they had failed to find bin Laden was that Pakistan’s security services tipped him off whenever US troops approached.
Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISID) also allegedly smuggled al-Qaeda terrorists through airport security to help them avoid capture and sent a unit into Afghanistan to fight alongside the Taliban.
The claims, made in leaked US government files obtained by Wikileaks, will add to questions over Pakistan’s capacity to fight al-Qaeda.
Last year, David Cameron caused a diplomatic furore when he told Pakistan that it could not “look both ways” on terrorism. The Pakistani government issued a strongly-worded rebuttal.
But bin Laden was eventually tracked down and killed in compound located just a few hundred yards from Pakistan’s prestigious military academy in Abbotabad.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8488236/WikiLeaks-Osama-bin-Laden-protected-by-Pakistani-security.html
Read between the lines hear and you can pick up on the fact that Bush knew where bin laden was for years but chose not to go after him. I think a better answer than “find osama was not a priority” needs to be given.
Sandi, obama isn’t even worthy enough of my hate.
It makes one wonder if obama would have accepted a job from Osama if he had offered him one…. much like Bill Ayers (whose group killed police and attempted to blow up the Capitol as well) offered obama one and he gobbled it right up.
I think most of you misunderstood the point I was making above about withdrawal and why it’s not a good idea.
Since the other night people were like “OK REMOVE TROOPS NOW” and I don’t think this is a) realistic or b) prudent. We made the mistake of invading two countries and getting involved in two conflicts. I firmly believe that both invasions were a dramatic waste of money, time, and life. But we went anyway.
So, now we’re faced with what to do now… Do we continue to funnel trillions of dollars blasting cavepeople back into the 16th century for hating us, or do we become somewhat supportive of these country’s autonomy while using that money for the greater good… by helping rebuild their infrastructure, and maybe fostering goodwill such that the children of today think of us as responsible and not just as the people that blew up their villages.
I am ALL for pulling our troops out, but it definitely shouldn’t be an overnight affair simply because we killed Osama Bin Laden. We blew up Nazi Germany in World War II, but then assisted in the rebuilding efforts and 66 years later, Germany has one of the world’s biggest economies and one of our allies. Obviously culturally Afghanistan and Iraq are different, but goodwill has to go some way toward a peaceful future.
#221 “His first option was to capture Bin Laden, read him his Miranda rights, get him a team of trial lawyers, having a show trial in New York, and watch him slither away, making a total laughingstock of our country and our system. ”
Troll, it’s really not that hard to recognize when you’re just making stuff up. Any time you type.
Watching the right twisting in the wind on this is pretty funny. Obama owns you guys. It’s not his fault he was able to succeed in one of the many, many places Bush failed.
Obama 2012. Might as well start practicing now.
If funding is the way we determine who to thank for this…
Thank you China!
It’s funny that Obama is given credit for doing something right. Are people so accustomed to Obama screwing up that they were surprised that he said “OK” when intelligence found OBL and had STS prepared to get him? It says a lot about Obama that people are pleasantly surprised when he does something right.
Suzie
It is apparent you and facts are complete strangers. George Bush cut $230 million from the Special Forces operating budget over a three-year period. He had no desire to capture Bin Laden, and he allowed Afghanistan to continue as a breeding ground for terrorists. Most people in here from what I can tell document their statements with sourced links. You only the other hand just offer opinions that nobody cares about. I am disgusted with people like you who exhibit no facts, just unbridled hate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/23/washington/23policy.html
Dan, why not invite everyone who has contributed to this blog to a “reunion”, maybe at the Civic Center. Can you imagine what it would be like for everyone to meet and socialize? Or would that be too dangerous?
I find it sad that even something as pro-America as the elimination of a top world terrorism threat by US Special Forces has still devolved into such petty BS bickering. It didn’t even take 4 hours after the announcement for the usual stuff to start flying again. That is truly remarkable, and in no good fashion. I hope everyone enjoys themselves, I’m out. Peace be unto us all, God willing.
Well that’s true, OJ. It’s sort of like when the genocidal maniac Saddam was taken down by U.S. forces… yet that was deemed to be a waste of our resources.
Problem is, they actually had footage and eyewitness accounts of Saddam murdering innocent civilians… not just a tape of him telling everyone else that he thinks it would be a good idea to kill some Westerners.
david,
The number of blog contributors who would probably show up to a reunion to socialize could fit in the non-smoking section of The Coffee Pot and not get in the way.
“Problem is, they actually had footage and eyewitness accounts of Saddam murdering innocent civilians… not just a tape of him telling everyone else that he thinks it would be a good idea to kill some Westerners.:”
Or, a…you know. A 9/11. Something like that.
It didn’t even take 4 hours after the announcement for the usual stuff to start flying again. That is truly remarkable, and in no good fashion. I hope everyone enjoys themselves, I’m out.
OJ, I hope you’ll note on this thread that your leftwing brethren issued the first five politically provocative comments. Odd how you never single these people out.
231 . George Bush cut $230 million from the Special Forces operating budget over a three-year period.
If you notice, Amy, not one of the leftwing kooks is coming to your rescue. It’s THAT obvious you’re a tool.
#237 Suzie, do you ever actually READ? OJ singled out NO ONE, right or left.
#231 There’s no question, Amy, that Bush let things slide downhill in Afghanistan and only turned his attention back to it as he was getting ready to leave office and was worried about his legacy, but I don’t see anything in your link saying that he cut the Special Ops budget by $230 million.
Amy @ 231 – thanks for the great post @ 231 with the link from NYT. You are correct – under the Bush administration, they started off great in 2001 and ousted the Taliban. Then with the invasion of Iraq in 2003, resources were diverted and the Taliban was allowed to regain strength and per your article, as of September 2008, there had been a sharp increase in violence by militants in Afghanistan. The Bush Administration basically left the successor administration a festering pool to deal with, because they dropped the ball.
“Or, a…you know. A 9/11. Something like that.”
Oh sorry Kristen, let me fix my post for you:
…not just a tape of him telling everyone else that he thinks it WAS a good idea to kill some Westerners.
Satisfied??
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/23/washington/23policy.html
Norman, come back when you have some facts.
So MMM, since we have no audio or video of OBL giving the orders to turn those planes into giant bombs on 9/11, or giving the orders to ram a boat full of explosives into the side of the USS Cole, or giving the orders to bomb two embassies in Africa, then we shouldn’t have had him shot twice in the head?
All of the above resulted in the deaths of Americans. How many Americans did Saddam kill, other than those deaths from the first Gulf War?
Anyone who has taken the time to view the photos of Obama and the national security team in the situation room viewing the real time images
of the attack on Bin Laden, who could watch the obvious tension and concern in those faces, who could read the timeline and narrativ e of how the decision was reached by the President to go ahead with the attack, who
could think that Admiral Mullen, Bob Gates, or the commander of the JSOC
was participating with the President in some sort of conspiracy to pull the wool over our eyes and fake Bin Laden’s death, who could take the clear respect and admiration expressed by the President for the troops in the field and the men who carried out this action and then say we “all” know Obama hates the military– anyone who could do all these things is seriously unhinged and clearly no longer worthy of attempting to discuss or debate any issues with.
So (Mark),
There’s actually video of Saddam himself murdering people?
Ohh… it’s Iraqi soldiers… So you can’t possibly blame Saddam, he was only president of Iraq. It was all the military leaders around him giving orders to the soldiers.
That argument sounds pretty ridiculous when you switch sides doesn’t it.
Just admit the facts:
Osama bin Laden has been hunted by the US Intelligent community for the better half of the past 20 years. We missed a couple prime opportunities to eliminate him in the last 1990′s. After 9/11/2001 we turned up the head on him and fairly effectively undercut his entire network.
Around 2004/05, the trail to finding him was relatively cold. Then, when we started investigating the courier network towards the end of Pres. Bush’s administration, we got a lead. That lead panned out and several months ago our intelligence community discovered the compound in Pakistan.
After months of CIA observation, the intelligence community with relative certainty put the probability of OBL being housed in the compound as ‘high’, without ever having seen him on site. At some point, the president was given the option and he made the decision to invade rather than bomb the compound.
On Friday, Pres. Obama gave a 72 hour window to the CIA and SEAL Team Six who had been training for months for an invasion of the compound. On Sunday afternoon EST, SEAL Team Six with CIA assistance invaded a ‘so-called’ US ally. They infiltrated a compound in a populated city, eliminated the target, and collected the body as well as well as intelligence evidence in under 40 minutes (while experiencing mechanical failure in one of the transport helicopters, which they had to destroy).
After briefing political leaders and former leaders, at roughly 11:30, Obama announced to the nation that the FBI’s Most Wanted Criminal, Osama bin Laden, had been killed.
After 9/11/2001 we turned up the **heat** on him. Sorry for the typos… I noticed a few others too…
@Dave, that is a great picture from the situation room. The look on each face and realizing what they were watching..wow! I would like to see a tape of what they were watching.
So (Aaron),
Osama was actually a president of a country giving orders to military soldiers who were under his command as opposed to some silver-spoon mouthed wretch of a person who liked to try and convince others that Westerners were bad??
Amy needs no help. She single handedly made you look like the simpleton you are. Coming to her aid would just be piling on.
“had him shot twice in the head?”
Lori, until you get your facts straight, I probably shouldn’t further myself in discussion about this with you.
Oh, BTW, for a year or so Saddam killed more people per month than Osama did in all of the attacks that you mentioned that he ‘authorized’.
I’m making a prediction now: When Obama gets re-elected, his promise to close Guantanamo will come true. It will occur about the same time as Fidel meets his maker, opening the door back to Cuba.
Ahhhh Cuban Cigars, beautiful pristine beaches… great music. Looking forward to vacationing there.
The GOP better find a candidate soon. They’re running out of time. Nobody electable is actively campaigning yet… very strange.
Guantanamo should be closed. Let’s hope Obama can keep his promise on this one too.
No (Mark),
You know darn well I was not shifting the comparison that way. I was making the comparison showing that Pres. Obama, by your logic, should get credit for commanding SEAL Team Six and the CIA in the raid and subsequent killing of Osama bin Laden.
As for the way you’re trying to twist things, I think it’s probably the most pathetic thing I’ve seen in a while. Since you can’t help but praise Obama on something, you choose instead to completely marginalize Osama bin Laden and make it seem as if there was no reason we were after him in the first place, just so you don’t have to say Obama did something right.
Classy…
MMM, what I heard on various news reports was that Osama was shot twice. I found this in a Reuters article:
Q: How many times was bin Laden shot, and where?
A: Officials told Reuters they were still awaiting final after-action reports as to how many times and where bin Laden was shot. But an official who saw pictures of the body said he was shot at least once in the face.
The standard Navy SEAL tactic in such an operation would be to shoot the target once in the chest (to stop) and once in the head (to kill). Most, though not all, media reports say this is what happened.
http://tinyurl.com/3ojer9q
Perhaps he wasn’t shot twice in the head, but it appears that SOP is to shoot twice.
Now about Saddam – I asked you how many of those people Saddam killed were American, other than the casualties of Gulf War I? I dare say that OBL killed thousands more Americans than Saddam.
Are you arguing that we SHOULD NOT have killed OBL?
George Bush cut $230 million from the Special Forces operating budget over a three-year period.
Amy, Your source says absolutely nothing about your preposterous claim that Bush cut $230 million. I know this must be just an oversight on your part, since you lectured me so self-righteously on your adherence to sources and links.
In my generosity, I will invite you to cite the correct source for your claim. Unless of course you are a hypocrite who made the whole freaking thing up.
Relax, Amy.
Earlier, Suzie wrote something like, “what about all the liberals who said getting Osama wasn’t a priority?”
Actually, it was George W. Bush who said that, during his presidency. . .
Suzie? Suzie, is that you? Oh, thank God! I was so worried about you! Ever since Sunday evening, I was certain that, owing to the fact that you’re one of the few woman on Dan’s blog that, well, you know, never conceived, that you most certainly would have been selected for one of the coveted sixty slots for bin Laden’s virgins. Man, thank God for age restricted virgins, huh? Otherwise, you would have begun your celestial journey almost 48 hours ago on your destiny to serve as the chief shirt ironer of the world’s greatest terrorist and thereby giving your present hubby a richly deserved break from the very real terror he’s lived ever since he woke up in a drunken fog and mumbled the fateful words “I married WHO?”.
Hey, look, I know you’re disappointed after spending your entire life missing the cut for kickball and then being passed over by burka wearing chubbers with mustaches, but they’re still more marketable then you due to the fact that they were all as fertile as the Napa Valley at some point, a distinguishable feature that even dead men value over what you could ever offer in life or death.
Look on the bright side, cupcake; there’s still hope that you’ll be chosen as (one of the sixty) the prom queen after President Obama, your Commander in Chief, kills Ayman al-Zawahiri, allowing you yet another chance for redemption on the second string. After all, he’s five years senior to bin laden and just might prefer a gal like you with a little more mileage on the tires. The board’s all pulling for you!
Lori, it does appear that SOP is to shoot twice… once in the body and once in the head. Not twice in the head. And no, I don’t believe Osama should have been allowed to survive.
Do the Americans that were killed in Gulf War I not mean anything to you?
Aaron, it was very admirable of obama to announce to the nation that he finally gave the orders to Seal Team Six (who he had been training and commanding for several months) to go in and take out Osama Bin Laden.
I’ve said it before… I <3 Steve C!
Two requirements for a humorous riff, Stevetard:
1) It has to be funny
2) It has to make sense.
You failed on both counts, ace.
So Bush pitched 6 innings and Obama relief pitched 3 and the team won…does it really matter which pitcher gets credit for the “team” win or the save?
If anybody things that this is the end of it is fooling themselves. It is symbolic at most. The real issue has not been about the removal of one person, but the larger ideology the person spawned that had now taken on an identity and influence of its own. OBL has not been a critical element of the ongoing operations of this movement for some time.
This has been more symbolic than a blow to the operational or organizational effectiveness of the larger issue and people at hand. This is not the end…just another chapter.
Welcome back, Bug!
<3 Steve C
Yep. Steve’s IQ is less than 3. Good observation, Lynda. Sometimes you do come up with funny stuff.
The “birthers” have now become the “deathers.” How friggin stupid do you have to be and why does Fox always seem to be involved?
“Good observation”
If we didn’t know you were a dude one might think Steve’s post to be in mildly questionable taste, however, ladies don’t go around calling each other a “tool.”
So Bush pitched 6 innings and Obama relief pitched 3 and the team won…does it really matter which pitcher gets credit for the “team” win or the save?
More like Bush assembled the team, managed the team, and pitched 8 -2/3 innings. 0bama was standing on the mound when the guy on first took off to steal, fell down, and was tagged out to end the game. That’s how much Zero Boy had to do with the end result.
Relax, Amy.
Earlier, Suzie wrote something like, “what about all the liberals who said getting Osama wasn’t a priority?”
Actually, it was George W. Bush who said that, during his presidency. . .
I don’t understand, Dan. Are you supposed to be highlighting some inconsistency? You people are the ones acting like it’s the fall of Berlin. And you’re the ones who earlier said Bin Laden didn’t matter. The inconsistency is on you.
#262 So Bush pitched 6 innings and Obama relief pitched 3 and the team won…does it really matter which pitcher gets credit for the “team” win or the save?
Yeah but we were being shut out and losing 3,000+ -0 after failing to win the game early on (Tora Bora). Then the previous pitcher, who was also the manager, sent the team to play in the wrong ball park and we didn’t have enough players to win. The new manager got the players out of the wrong ball park and encouraged the team to refocus. He then pitched a perfect game and his hitters came through in the clutch. It’s amazing what a team can do when your players at least show up at the right ball park and are focused to win. Just think of the time and money Bush wasted playing at the wrong filed. Maybe if he showed up at the right field he could have gotten the win?
#267 The troll girl(??) is so upset that her idol, the Shrub, wasn’t the one who got bin Laden, she(??) just can’t stand it. Probably goes to bed at night crying about it. Apparently she(??) thinks that if she(??) keeps posting that Obama had nothing to do with it, it will somehow come true.
MMM – I was differentiating between American casualties of war from Gulf War I and deaths from terrorist acts. My point is that Saddam never committed an act of terror against the US, unlike OBL, who was responsible for at least three terrorist attacks on the US.
Saddam had a real, functioning nation -occupied by us – to try him and serve justice. And, PS, he’s dead too. The two situations were completely different.
Steve C ROFLMAO. Poor guy. Just the thought a he’s unable to perform and it’s not due to the “cold water.”
“My point is that Saddam never committed an act of terror against the US” – Lori
“SETTLEMENT FOR AMERICANS: Iraqi lawmakers approved a $400 million settlement for Americans who say they were abused by Saddam Hussein’s regime in the 1990 invasion of Kuwait. The settlement is part of a deal reached between Baghdad and Washington last year to end years of legal battles by U.S. citizens who claim they were tortured or traumatized, including hundreds held as human shields.”
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/04/30/2839095/world-news-in-brief-iraq-approves.html
That certainly sounds like an act of terror against America, Lori…
Yes it does, MMM. Thanks for the info.
I’m curious as to your thoughts about the situation in Libya. From what I can tell, you have no objection to the invasion of Iraq in 2003 based on Saddam’s atrocities. Khadafi has perpetrated similar acts on his people, and Libya admitted responsibility for the Pan Am 103 bombing. Do you believe the US should be more involved in the present situation in Libya?
You can’t make this stuff up – incredible!
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/05/028953.php
Nancy Pelosi, 09-07-2006
“E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done … is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer.”
Nancy Pelosi, 05-02-2011
The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. … I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. … [T]he death of Osama bin Laden is historic….
Indeed, VRWC…you can’t!
“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.”
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
“I want justice…There’s an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, ‘Wanted: Dead or Alive,’”
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI
“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
“I am truly not that concerned about him.”
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
What a difference 6 months makes!
VWRC – kind of like when GWB said in 2006 that OBL wasn’t a priority?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qd4QMODnCc
“Terror is bigger than one person. He’s a person who’s been marginalized.”
Sounds like Nancy Pelosi was agreeing with GWB in 2006.
Lori, I believe any country that uses MASS genocide in an effort to control its (or anyone else’s) people should be subject to having other countries that oppose such actions ‘more involved’. If Libya has done that, then sure they should be put in their place.
Libya admitted responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing (and the disco bombing, and the flight 772 bombing, etc) and then proceeded to pay every victim’s family compensation.. I don’t believe Saddam nor OBL ever fessed up to that magnitude.
#276 VRWC, the VAST majority of Americans agree with what Pelosi said in 2006 about safety. Just 16 percent feel safer now with the killing of OBL. I don’t feel safer, though I’m glad he’s gone. And she was most certainly right that any capture of OBL was too late. So I see nothing wrong with what she said then (some sort of context for the remarks would be good; context DOES matter, you know.)
So what do you find incredible? That she would congratulate her president along with the intelligence community and military? Did you expect her to say, “Bad job”? She might be guilty of a little hyperbole in calling it the MOST significant event, but then she’s a politician, isn’t she? Rethugs do the same thing.
I wish Obama would order Seal Team 6 to take out this blog. Truly pathetic.
Suzie writes,
“<3 Steve C
Yep. Steve’s IQ is less than 3. Good observation, Lynda. Sometimes you do come up with funny stuff."
Suze…
On some online blogs that use certain mark-up languages and on Facebook <3 is designed to become a "heart" …. as in "I "heart" Steve C". He is one of the funniest posters here and he does a class A job of putting you in your place… hysterically!
#261 Loose screws suz,
You kill me! No, really, you crack me up; the old bat wearing the double knit slacks with the JonBenét Ramsey avatar is making fun of my sense of humor now? Dear Lord…
If anyone sees suz running down the street, would you please stop her and extract my boot from her rear end for me please? Thanks in advance.
Lynda,
It seems I remember you throwing a crybaby fit about “rude” personal stuff in here, and now you’re celebrating Steve’s junior high level sexual slurs.
<emYou kill me! No, really, you crack me up; the old bat wearing the double knit slacks with the JonBenét Ramsey avatar is making fun of my sense of humor now? Dear Lord…
Yeh, Steve. I remember when I had my first beer, too.
Seriously, ace. You’re trying way too hard. Humor requires subtlety. You’re as subtle as leftwing woman rolling over in the mud.
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Suzie…
While, I do hate the crap-flinging that goes on here, I find Steve’s brand of insulting humor pretty darned funny…. in a Don Rickles meets Andrew Dice Clay sort of way. I have no idea if he actually means what he says but the way he says it makes me giggle.
Your insults are barbed and meant to debase your victim. I never find myself laughing at those who intend to be genuinely hurtful.
Crazy much, Mike Barber?
“You kill me! No, really, you crack me up; the old bat wearing the double knit slacks with the JonBenét Ramsey avatar is making fun of my sense of humor now? ” Thats Post of the Day material there folks !!
Well said, Steve.
Obama And His Audacity Of “I”
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http://roanokeslant.blogspot.com/2012/05/obama-and-his-audacity-of-i.html
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