Your daily Letter to the Columnist — May 12, 2011
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He’s sad the governor used the line-item veto to cut Public TV
Dear Mr. Casey,
Thanks for your excellent article on public radio/TV cuts by the Governor.
I am puzzled why the Governor has the authority to do this. Is there a mechanism by which the State Legislators can override his line item veto? Even if this were to fail, it would give us a chance to see where individual members of the Legislature stand on this issue.
It’s obvious, as you point out, that the Governor’s action has nothing to do with cutting expenses.
Let’s push for a doubling of Virginia funding for public radio/TV- a valuable asset for all of us. That would mean something like 10 cents per person per year.
Michael J. Furey
BLACKSBURG
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Note from Dan: I responded to Dr. Fure, who is Professor Emeritus of Mechanical and Biomedical Engineering at Virginia Tech, that the legislature has no power to override the governor’s line-item vetoes in the budget bill, as opposed to other vetoes.
May 12, 2011 - 1:30 PM
I agree that “obvious” is all over this one. But then again, when has the right wing ever been subtle. Anyone still surprised by the consequences of this or any election is obviously not an informed voter.
It’s obvious, as you point out, that the Governor’s action has nothing to do with cutting expenses.
Oh, good. The guy’s an “emeritus” which means there’s a chance he’s losing his marbles. It didn’t match up that an ME professor would say something so stupid.
Dan, as we know, has been 100% debunked on that point.
Suzie@2:12
There actually are many intelligent engineers with a social conscience.
The fact that you don’t happen to be one of them is made quite clear
every day.
I wonder if Furey was one of Suzies’ profs?
Dan@4:53
I doubt it. I don’t think he taught any courses in the home ec dept.
#3 & #4
Scuzzy is an engineer?
Info on Dr. Furey.
http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/articles/2005/03/2005-640.html
#3 & #4
Scuzzy is an engineer?
Comment by DaveH — May 12, 2011 @ 8:25 pm
That’s what she says DaveH.
Scuzzy is an engineer?
Didn’t Dave H just finish whining about namecalling?
Dr. Furey was on the faculty of Virginia Tech for 35 years. More:
“The College of Engineering at Virginia Tech is internationally recognized for its excellence in 14 engineering disciplines and computer science. The college’s 5,600 undergraduates benefit from an innovative curriculum that provides a “hands-on, minds-on” approach to engineering education, complementing classroom instruction with two unique design-and-build facilities and a strong Cooperative Education Program. With more than 50 research centers and numerous laboratories, the college offers its 2,000 graduate students opportunities in advanced fields of study such as biomedical engineering, state-of-the-art microelectronics, and nanotechnology.”
So Suzie Q, did you have Dr. Furey when you attended the School of Engineering at VT?
“Scuzzy” is a slur. “Monkey Boy” and “Retard Boy” are slurs.
Look, ALL of us ought to, at the very least, stop calling each other names, like Scuzzy and grandad and toots and troll, whatever, and stop getting into epic false-outrage screeds about wives and children. We should instead debate ideas. You can do that with very strong language, without calling each other names. We should talk about ideas.
I’m would prefer that we not even call public figures names. Here on this blog, Rush Limbaugh should be Rush Limbaugh, not Fish Flambaugh, or whatever. President Obama, or Bush, should be President Obama, or President Bush, or Obama, or Bush, or even BO, and GWB.
There’s plenty to argue about without resorting to namecalling of each other. It really, really, lower the level of debate.
If you agree with me, respond with, “I’m in.”
If you don’t agree with me, respond with “You’re nuts.” And leave the blog.
Frankly I’d settle for us not calling each other names, and getting into pointless bickering about who mentioned whose wife who may or may not be departed or divorced or whatever.
Frankly I’d settle for us not calling each other names
I’m in for not calling each other names.
I don’t see the harm in calling public figures deserving of ridicule names, however, and hope we can still do that.
So Suzie Q, did you have Dr. Furey when you attended the School of Engineering at VT?
Ron, You’re assuming I attended VT. I’ve never said that.
Dan, I think we all know, and know well that you see and “approve” every post that shows up. Until you get Suzie, Dublin Dog, Marked Man Mark and other of the serial insulters to agree, it is beyond unfair and bogus to ask that others conform to yet another “deal”. I’m in if they are. That is all I will commit to.
I’m in!
“Ron, You’re assuming I attended VT. I’ve never said that.”
Suzie: It’s a simple question. Did you attend VT or not?
Suzie: It’s a simple question. Did you attend VT or not?
I don’t care to disclose that information, Dan.
“I don’t care to disclose that information, Dan.”
Gotcha. Except that denying it discloses NOTHING, while acknowledging it discloses everything.
Ergo, she doesn’t care to disclose that she graduated from Va Tech.
Congrats, Suzie. That is nothing to be ashamed of.
Based on her posting history, and deluded claims to grandeur, I’d bet that Suzie hasn’t even received a GED, much less any type of post-secondary certificate.
Actually, to clarify the namecalling bit, I am in as far as addressing people individually by the names they use, such as Art, Gdad, Kristen, Sandi, etc.
The thing I hate about censorship like this is having to point it out when somebody else doesn’t do the same for me. This is what I always ran into at the RT with their hundreds of arbitrary rules. I would get a note saying I committed this or that violation. Then when I linked to someone who had done the exact same offense, their reply was that “it wasn’t used in the same way” or some such silly nonsense. It got to be more trouble than it was worth, and that’s a large part of why people left the place. They got tired of the constant hassling and BS.
Gotcha. Except that denying it discloses NOTHING, while acknowledging it discloses everything.
Ergo, she doesn’t care to disclose that she graduated from Va Tech.
I don’t understand how your logic works, Dan. You still have no idea if I attended Tech or not. Same as before.
This just reminds me of this website that explains rules and tactics of debate, and in a list of dishonest debate tactics the following is listed:
“Claiming privacy with regard to claims about self: debater makes favorable claims about himself, but when asked for details or proof of the claims, refuses to provide any claiming privacy; true privacy is not mentioning them to begin with; bragging but refusing to prove is silly on its face and it is a rather self-servingly selctive use of the right of privacy”
It’s actually a really good website… http://www.johntreed.com/debate.html
#19 Dan, if suzie disclosed that she went to Tech, one of us might be able to determine which of the university’s 220,000 living alumni she is. If she’s a she. And if she were telling the truth about going to Tech.
I’m in! Love that idea!
I’m in as well, Dan. I do apologize to Sandi for ever calling her an idiot… and to Kristen for bringing up her daughter which we hadnt discussed for 2 or 3 years… and to gdad for calling him granddad if in fact that is not what gdad stands for.
Re: #12
OK, I’m in.
BTW, why not enforce that as a rule, by just deleting any comment where the commenter call anyone a name?
Though I never meant to call any posters names, I must confess to having used the term “Gonzo” possibly mistaking it for an endearing one… is that permissible? (it is one of the items in the list to the right of my screen)
I’m relatively new here, and didn’t know any better…
So, I’m in too.
Re: #19
Not so sure about that, Dan.
Suzie might be just blowing smoke all the way around in the hope that folk might assume she went to VT or even that she is an engineer.
Ed of H,
I consider the term “Gonzo” to be flattery; never an insult.
Speaking of Governor Bob, he’s in China this week taking a big paid vacation on the taxpayer’s dime. Wonder what the odds would be that we could get the Chinese to keep him for a couple of years?
#12- Dan, I agree completely! I’m definitely in.
Not so sure about that, Dan.
Suzie might be just blowing smoke all the way around.
Wow. I ‘blow smoke’ by not answering a question. I’m always amazed at the power I have over you people.
Dan, I don’t really much care much about “granddad” except when folks think it’s hysterical to make fun of elderly people. I know what the “g” stands for, as do a few others. Old age can’t be helped (well, it can, but let’s not go there) and I think it’s safe to say it’s something everybody on this blog aspires to. So it’s a little strange to me that folks make fun of something that they hope to be one day. And there’s really nothing original at all about loss of memory or adult diaper jokes. It just viciousness.
Officially, I think I still qualify for middle age, but I would be proud and happy to be a granddad. I think it’s pretty safe to say that that’s another thing every male on here hopes to be called one day (or grandmother for the women), so again it’s a little strange folks would use it as a supposed insult.
Marked, you’re more than welcome to bring up my daughter, especially in light of the fact that I only have 2 sons. Whoever you had that lovely birth control conversation with 2 years ago, it wasn’t me.
#31 OMG, Guv Bob going to another country? I thought Obama was the ONLY politician to have EVER done that. And the only one who ever played golf while in office.
Dan,
I agree not to call people names. I’ve tried to avoid that in the past. About the worst I think I have done recently is refer to Suzie as Suzie Q.
I appreciate the apology Mark and I return it sincerely, I am sorry that I have said hurtful things that made you feel attacked.
I’ve been “in” on this from the get go.
Dan, will this include spelling the President’s name with a numeral as opposed to the capital letter “O”? I find that to also be an insult and a slam.
I feel like I’m making a treaty with the devil “White Man” who speaks with forked tongue. But I’m in.
Well yes Dan you do have a good point as to not calling each other names and at times when I read what is put in this blog and the back and forth, well I just move on. As to calling Rush and Bush names well as they say there is a lot there to work with but yes the tone at times needs to be brought down. So I will try my best, I’m in.
It’s easy to criticize Obama, or Bush, or Limbaugh without making up silly names for them.
And we should note, approvingly, that Suzie is actually calling the president by his last name now. That’s a great start!
#43 No, Dan, she isn’t calling him by his last name. She’s gone back to the childish 0bama rather than Obama.
#43 Also called him “idiot Boy” in the Friday open thread. So much for that, eh? Won’t take long until she’s insulting blog participants again.
Re: #23
“Claiming privacy with regard to claims about self: debater makes favorable claims about himself, but when asked for details or proof of the claims, refuses to provide any claiming privacy; true privacy is not mentioning them to begin with; bragging but refusing to prove is silly on its face and it is a rather self-servingly selctive use of the right of privacy”
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Bingo!
BTW, it is also a logical fallacy in a debate — namely Argumentum ad Verecundiam or Ipse Dixit. Even if the “claim” of expertise is true it is meaningless, unless that claim substantiates access to specific knowledge not available to the general public
Form of this false/specious reasoning is:
Authority A believes that X is true.
Therefore, X is true.
“Appeal to Authority” or “Argument from Authority” is particularly specious reasoning when one’s “alleged” area of “expertise” is in a different academic discipline than the area of question being debated — such as an “alleged” engineer’s opinion on political science. When that “one is one’s ownself, it is ludicrously self-serving.
One of the PHDs who worked for me said you could often identify the PHDs from the MAs in his field by the certainty of the MAs opinion.
“[I]t is not what the man of science believes that distinguishes him, but how and why he believes it. His beliefs are tentative, not dogmatic; they are based on evidence, not on authority or intuition.”
– Bertrand Russell, A History of Western Philosophy
Anyone who pontificates w/o citing evidence or documentation is on very thin ice, IMHO.
Spelling Obama with a zero will continue to get FlimFlambaugh. Guaranteed.
Re: #s 44, 45, 47
Dan,
Are you going to delete comments w/ such name calling and/or ban commenter who continue to do it?
DaveH,
I’m going to delete comments in which posters change the screen names of other posters for the purpose of demeaning them. That is where we’ll begin.
I REALLY WISH people would call public figures by their actually-spelled names, or initials (OK, Suzie fooled me a the first few times). It would elevate the purpose of debate. I also wish people would ignore posts that don’t adhere to that rule. But I’m not necessarily going to delete them at this time.
And, frankly, I don’t care to see a lot of “he did this!” or “she did that!” posts.
I like your website, billhudson!
#49 “And, frankly, I don’t care to see a lot of “he did this!” or “she did that!” posts.”
I’ll avoid that, Dan, but I thought that since you believed she had started using Obama, you might want to know that she had not. I wasn’t at all surprised since she had already said she didn’t intend to do so.
Boy Dan, you opened a can or worms LOL. Now everything will be “can we do this?” or “can we do that instead of this?”
I’m in. Sorry Dave.
I also agree with the public figures thing especially when it pertains to elected officials. I have been as guilty as anyone here and we all should know better. Even if we have little respect for the person, we should respect the office.
Dan, you made a very good point as to elevate the purpose of debate. And from time to time I think you will have to reminds us of that. Things do get a bit out of hand at times and I still think a friendly game of soft ball would be fun and show us how much we have in common no matter how different we may look at things.
Re: #49
“But I’m not necessarily going to delete them at this time.”
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If Zerobama, Shrub, and the like keep showing up, I hope you reconsider at a later date.
Ditto, if the prerogative and disparaging characterizations, labels, and other form of name calling directed at commenters continue.
BTW this is part of the reason I have a hard time respecting President Obama. The guy who wrote and performed this song was harolded at the White House this week by the President and first lady for his “poetic contribution to modern sociaty”. And as reported in the Post,
“Our tireless Style superstar Dan Zak reports from last night’s poetry event at The White House: “Despite the protestations of some media figures, a rapper performed in front of schoolchildren Wednesday evening at the White House”.
I hope these school children do not dig to deeply into this guys discography.
A Letter to the Law written and recorded by Common released on U-tube and viewed over 800,000 times and counting
Dem boy wanna talk… [indistinguishable]
Whatcha gon do if ya got one gun?
I sing a song for the hero unsung with faces on the mural of the revolution
No looking back cos’ in back is what’s done
Tell the preacher, God got more than one son
Tell the law, my Uzi weighs a ton
I walk like a warrior, from them I won’t run
On the streets, they try to beat us like a drum In Cincinnati,
another brother hung
A guinea won’t see the sun with his family stung
They want us to hold justice but you handed me none
The same they did to Kobe and Michael Jackson
make them the main attraction
Turn around and attack them, Black gem in the rough ,You’re rugged enough
Use your mind and nine-power, get the government touch
Them boys chat-chat on how him pop gun
I got the black strap to make the cops run
They watching me, I’m watching them
Them d!<k boys got a lock of c%<k in them*(edited here by me, is this a "gay" slur?)*
My people on the block got a lot of pok* in them and when we roll together
we be rocking them to sleep
No time for that, because there’s things to be done
Stay true to what I do
so the youth dream come from project building Seeing a fiend being hung With that happening, why they messing with Saddam?
Burn a Bush cos’ for peace he no push no button
Killing over oil and grease no weapons of destruction
How can we follow a leader when this a corrupt one
The government’s a g-unit and they might buck young black people
Black people In the urban area one I hold up a peace sign,
but I carry a gun.
Peace, ya’ll.”
WOW!!
This is the 3rd time these lyrics have been posted on this blog. I believe DD did it first; then will did it twice.
#56 Hmm, so he performed this in front of the children? Is that what you’re saying, will?
And to be honest, while I wouldn’t play it for pleasure, I don’t see much that’s so all-fired frightening in it.
I will not defend this rapper being invited to the White House, it was a poor choice on every level. I will however note that there are plenty of people who still defend Bush over going into Iraq and accept the beautiful lives lost and ruined as a simple mistake in judgement. On any scale, which is the worse choice? Even if you want to talk about patterns of behavior, do you really want to go there. It is entirely possible that Obama cannot put this nation back together, but it cannot be forgotten who tore it apart and no amount of insults can change that.
No gdad – He did not perform this in front of the children to my knowledge. He did post it on u – tube where an inquisitive school child could pull it up. Do you not think that if a celebrity comes to a school that the kids will want to look up some of his music? Do you honestly think this is the kind of example our President should be holding up to our young people?
“A guinea won’t see the sun with his family stung”. with an uzi is the inference. not scary?
“Tell the law, my Uzi weighs a ton
I walk like a warrior, from them I won’t run” not scary?
“Burn a Bush cos’ for peace he no push no button” not scary? I thought threatening the POTUS is a crime.
“Black people In the urban area one I hold up a peace sign,
but I carry a gun”. not scary?
“Them d!<k boys got a lock of c%<k in them".maybe not so scary but surely vulgar and absolutly not pc.
I guarantee you if a white boy from Texas had written lyrics about carrying his gun around, stinging "guinea"'s families with it and burning President Clinton he wouldn't have been honored at the white house by President Bush.
And gdad – this song is not necessarily the worst one he ever wrote and performed. Google Common lyrics and take a peak into his worldview.
And honoring Common at the white just gives us a little more insight into
the views of our President. I wonder if his children listen to Common. Now THAT's scary!
that’s white house
gdad – that’s because you have the morals of an alley cat, and I mean that in worst possible way.
So Dan, would you want YOUR kids listening to Common’s music and lyrics??
I’d never heard of “Common” until the RWers on this blog introduced me to him. Never have to wonder what the RWnutball blogs are talking about…they all repeat it like trained parrots.
Kristen I did not repeat anything. I heard about this story on Stewarts show and then again on O’Reily. So then I googled Common lyrics and found the lyrics to his songs. I suggest you do the same and then tell me if this is the kind of guy you want your President and first lady to hold up as an example to our children. Which is exactly what they did. And I haven’t even mentioned “A Song for Assata” that pays tribute to the black panthers and an escaped convicted cop killer. This guy thinks so much of that womwn that I beleive his daughter middle name is Assata. Here I’ll even save you the time of looking it up. This is for you too gdad.
http://www.azlyrics.com/c/common.html
Sandi, Are you saying George Bush is to blame for our nation being divided? Our nation has been being divided and conquered since the radical sixties. Do you not see a pattern here? The more we try to engineer social harmony in our humanity without God, the more divided we become.IMHO
I suppose you count Saddam as one of those beautiful lives lost. Or maybe the people of Iraq would rather be back under that tyrant’s thumb.
Maybe we should pull completely out of the middle east. cut off all aid and funding and stop keeping Isreal from defending herself.
Bring the troops home, drill for oil within our borders,become energy self sufficiant, seal those same borders (we should have enough manpower and money to do that once we stop becoming the world’s policeman) and let the nations of that region vie for themselves. My guess is we would soon see just how peaceful this muslim religion is and it would not be long before the people would be begging for our help. It would not take long for the radicals to wear down the longing for freedom in the hearts of the masses. Public hanging and beheadings have a way of doing that. And if we do not stand in the gap for the innocent, what other nation with enough power to do so will? China? Russia? France? England? Who?
Besides all of that the problem with making our nation independant again Sandi is that it flies in the face of the new world order, one world cradle to the grave government that so many on the left long to see.
will, unless you’re talking about the 1860s, I would go out on a limb to note the divisions in this country got pretty wide before “the 60s,” which I took to mean the 1960s.
They were pretty wide back at its founding, at least between Hamilton and Jefferson.
And then there was the Civil War (this nation’s widest and most destructive division), and after that FDR’s push for social security, and after that, McCarthyism.
Why are you trying to blame it on the “radical” 1960s?
So Obama invites people who endorse cop-killing to the White House. Couple that with his criticism of the Cambridge cops who confronted Henry Louis Gates where Obama said they acted “stupidly” even though he admitted not knowing the facts.
You can imagine the outcry if GWB ever did such a thing. At least “Common” admits to listening to Jeremiah Wright’s sermons. Recall that Zero Boy denied paying attention when confront with some of Wright’s hateful racist messages.
Obama only lies whenever he opens his mouth.
Dan – could you just answer the question – let me make it simple for you – “Y” means yes and “N” means no – got it?
#62 As we can see, DD has no intention of giving up his infantile insults. Now he accuses me of having loose morals. But then what would you expect from DD except lies?
Dan
will is trying to blame it on the radical sixties because that is what
Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and the christian right have told him to believe. And his learned treatise about the one world order and the people who supposedly support that world view actually traces back to the Bushes, the Rockefellers, and many of the world’s corporate giants.
Raving liberals all.
it was a poor choice on every level.
I’ll agree with Sandi on that one.
The rapper appearance is one more of dozens of examples of 0bama’s poor judgment.
If Sandi were being 100% honest, she would admit that 0bama’s election itself was a grievous mistake. I think deep down she knows that.
I will go with addressing individual bloggers by their proper names. That was the deal Dan made.
That doesn’t preclude the occasional adjective, and it doesn’t preclude general comments about groups of people. It also doesn’t include monikers for public figures. If we get to that Radmacher/RT blog level, I’m out.
gdad – keep attacking me personally and hiding like a girly girl – you will see me much more than you want
#68 Uh oh, Dan, DD’s going to demand that you participate in one of his Redneck Rumbles. Or he’ll make up a lie about you. Or both.
Suzie, that is a big part of the problem many of us have with you. What you “think” other people think is wrong on just about every issue. That President Obama has and will make mistakes is a given. Every President before him has done so as well. We can pick apart a moment in time for every one of them. The only pattern that will emerge is that they were all convinced they were doing something they believed in and none of them maliciously hurt anyone.
Will, no I was not saying “George Bush is to blame for our nation being divided”. That has always been the case IMO, some times more divided than others. I was talking about his well documented 8 year agenda that destroyed the economy.
The divisions in this nation began when the pilgrims landed. The pattern I see is that some people want to blame all of those divisions on people not living for Christianity and that has never been true. No one has tried to “engineer social harmony in our humanity”, we have tried to create an egalitarian society with opportunity for all who seek it and support for all who need it.
Industrialists who made billions polluting this nation did so “without God”.
Colonization that made billions pillaging the resources of other countries did so “without God”.
Business who take jobs overseas for profit alone did so “without God”.
There is a lot of “without God” in every nation.
I only count the over FOUR THOUSAND troops killed and the THOUSANDS maimed and their families, as well as the innocent civilians killed and maimed as beautiful lives ended or harmed. The people who are dead because of a mistake in judgement would be better off if Bush had not made it. How can you argue differently?
Maybe you should not dwell in fantasies. We cannot simply “pull completely out of the middle east” The powerful in this nation will never abandon Israel. Drilling for oil within our borders will never make us become energy self sufficient. How can Obama do what no one before him has done on the borders? You are simply being unrealistic and lashing out IMO.
I hope you do not seriously believe that “standing in the gap for the innocent” is our purpose in foreign relationships.
We have never been independent in the sense you mean it IMO. We ran over people instead of working with them and that has come home to roost. We cannot be independent in the way you mean either.
You may know people who have that “one world cradle to the grave” care, but you let us know when you want to trade places with one of them. You obviously have no idea what the left in this nation wants or believes in and you prove it often. Maybe you should stick to explaining what YOU want. Maybe you will make sense. Anything is possible.
In other words, Suzie and Dublin intend to continue to insult anyone they want to insult. And Dan will approve the posts. Who knew?
Dan, for someone who has to approve every comment for it to show up, you are sure naive in thinking this is a “fixable” problem. They have proven, over and over and over what they are capable of and what their sole purpose here is.
Stop kidding around, you made the choice, own the damn thing.
#73 Let’s see, DD, exactly who was doing the attacking in #62. Why it was you! And in response to a post that wasn’t even directed at you.
This is at least two clear threats from you now, DD.
That President Obama has and will make mistakes is a given. Every President before him has done so as well. We can pick apart a moment in time for every one of them. The only pattern that will emerge is that they were all convinced they were doing something they believed in and none of them maliciously hurt anyone.
I disagree. I believe Obama is intentionally running the country into the ground as a sort of revenge for all the evil our capitalists have supposedly done. That’s in line with the goals of the radicals he associated with early on who shaped him. I think he wants to cut us down to size. William Ayers. Cloward and Piven, Saul Alinski’s disciples. It’s all there. Open your eyes, girl!
In other words, Suzie and Dublin intend to continue to insult anyone they want to insult. And Dan will approve the posts. Who knew?
Stop complaining, Sandi. I’m not calling you “Crazy Bag Lady” anymore. Look for the half-full glass, babe.
#72 IOW, suzie hasn’t agreed to anything at all that would make things more civil. Big surprise there.
Perhaps you need to take her up on her threat to leave, Dan.
#72 IOW, suzie hasn’t agreed to anything at all that would make things more civil. Big surprise there.
Gdad knows I don’t twist the names of that many people anyway, so he’s using that to say the blog won’t be that much more civil. I think he’s upset that all those who slur my name won’t be able to do it anymore, but that will make the room far more civil in itself.
As I’ve said and proven many times. The incivility directed at me is FAR greater than that which comes from me.
I have to talk to the judges to figure out how many wins this new rule nets for me. It’s gotta be worth something when people who distort my SN into an insult can’t anymore. Probably no fewer than 12 people.
Winning. Big time.
Stating the obvious is not complaining. What you called me has never mattered, considering the source, it was par for the course. You have ruined this blog.
#78 And with this post Suzie gains full membership into the Tinfoil Hat Society. Stock up on aluminum foil, Sam’s. The post speaks for itself. IF she truly believes this — and given her self-appointed role on this blog that a BIG if — it’s one of the zanier declarations I’ve see. A real paranoid hall of famer.
Have you seen this one? Stewart takes Hannity down! Be sure to watch the second video too. The “debate” with O’Reilly should be money!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/12/jon-stewart-fox-news-common-outrage_n_860956.html