Win tickets to see the smash hit musical Mamma Mia at the Roanoke Civic Center. Two winners will each receive four tickets!
"Wildes Moor" Schleswig-Holstein, Germany | Graph Geo | Wikimedia Commons
“Actually, in the wild, we’d be the only person that we wouldn’t recognize, if you think about it.”
Diana Wynne Jones
View our commenting policy and standards | Commenting FAQ | Report a problem
Caption this: boy of summer tossing the first pitch.
Isn’t this racist? I thought we couldn’t call adult males “boy”? Where’s the outrage, hypocrites?
I have a feeling that Ewell Hunt Thread is gonna get the lions share of comments today. I keep refreshing the front page in hopes to read a report that the FBI is coming in to investigate Hunt.
Suzie “Boys of Summer” is a common term for baseball players. It has nothing to do with the way people previously used “boy” in a derogatory fashion.
Seriously, come on, even you should know this.
Unbelievable that they’re shutting down 81 again for this “investigation”. A whole lot of inconvenience for a lot of people when it no longer matters at all. They should have done some work before that poor woman was killed. Like all this hullabaloo matters now?
Scott’s correct, Suzie. It’s also the title of a great Don Henley song.
Scott and Debbie, And my use of ‘boy zero’ and such has nothing to do with the way people may have used ‘boy’ in a derogatory fashion
Sounds like we’re even. Thanks for the assistance.
Yeah, the thing that makes “boy” racist is using it in connection with any adult male. Suzie don’t you get tired of being so despicable? When were Caucasian males ever disparaged with the term “boy” no matter their age? Obfuscation is not your strong suit and solid reasoning is beyond doubt beyond your capabilities. We know what you are whether you have the decency to admit it or not.
Everybody’s trying to lynch Sheriff Hunt over in the other thread, princess. It might be wise to let the authorities do what they need to do to ascertain the details.
So Sandi, in keeping with your argument, if Dan used 0bama’s picture on the mound with the title ‘boy of summer’ would you have condemned that as racist?
The assistance is only in your mind Suzie. As for how you use the word boy, you have rationalizing down to an art form. You can and do rationalize anything and everything.
@Suzie – I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist to see the glaring issue with how the 911 call was handled by Sheriff Hunt. A different decision may not have ultimately saved a life, but it would have been the ethical thing to do. Not to mention that I’m sure it would have been following policy as well. A 911 log is pretty cut and dry. I’m sure more details will be forthcoming in the investigation but they won’t change the chain of events outlined in that log. And that is where Sheriff Hunt fundamentally failed to take proper action on both a procedural and ethical level.
On a side note, you are simply just wrong about this whole “boy” issue and it would show that you had some insight if you would just acknowledge it.
It’s so nice to have one of the Westboro Baptist people living here in town.
I notice Sandi is slow to answer my question. I think she’s realizing she’s got herself into a checkmate situation. I will extend the offer to Debbie and others: if Dan had used 0bama in his picture with the same caption, would have that been racist?
Trapped like rabbits in a hole. LOL.
And how do you vote again, Miriam?
Anyone remember that 1st season Saturday Night Live skit where Chevy Chase keeps casually referring to Garrett Morris as “boy” until Morris punches him out?
Suzie – this has absolutely nothing to do with “how I vote”. It is a matter of history and language. If you are unable to acknowledge that the term “boy” has different connotations when referring to an african american man versus a white man, then I’m just not certain you are plugged into the same reality that the rest of us are. As to your question regarding a picture of President Obama and a tag line of “Boys of Summer”, I’m not sure the writer would have chosen that tag line in that circumstance for this exact reason. However, there is the point that others have already made regarding it being a baseball phrase.
So, to sum up, recognizing the use of racially charged terms has nothing to do with how you or I vote. It has to do with being an American citizen (with common sense). If you are truly this clueless, I’ll be sort of amused and sad.
What do you think of this story, given you position on big box stores your avatar, your admiration of Thompson, etc?
‘Walmart of Weed’ to open in Arizona, promote growing your own
By Michael Martinez, CNN
June 1, 2011 1:53 a.m. EDT
I can’t speak for Sandi.
However, yes, it would be racist, IMHO.
Context is is important.
I’m rather surprised that this issue has not been discussed more fully, here and elsewhere.
Obama’s Illegal War
Libya is important, but the U.S. Constitution is ultimately what we’re fighting for.
The bombing campaign in Libya continues into its 72nd day without the consent of the U.S. Congress — breaking the 60-day limit for unilateral presidential war-making. With the Justice Department providing no public explanation for this breach, lawmakers are beginning to take matters into their own hands.
This week, the House of Representatives will be voting on a resolution insisting that President Barack Obama bring the Libya mission to a speedy close. The Senate, for its part, will soon take up a bipartisan measure supporting the war. Meanwhile, with no U.S. domestic debate, NATO has announced it will continue its operations in Libya for another 90 days.
We are at a constitutional crossroads, similar to the one the United States confronted in 1973 when Congress enacted the War Powers Resolution, which set the 60-day limit, over Richard Nixon’s veto. The Constitution famously grants Congress the power to declare war, but Nixon continued to fight in Vietnam for three years after Congress had withdrawn the Gulf of Tonkin resolution authorizing the conflict.
Pretty sure if you put a picture of Derek Jeter and Willie Mays and Hank Aaron up with the caption “The Boys of Summer”, they’d know what it meant.
Very good read, IMHO.
David Bernstein • May 31, 2011 10:59 pm
I’ve been thinking for some time about blogging about the concept of “enemies”, and how modern universalist liberalism has trouble dealing with the possibility that in some conflicts there is no mutually acceptable solution (at least not from the subjective perspective of the participants in the conflict), and thus one really has a conflict among enemies, not simply a misunderstanding that can be resolved through negotiations and compromises. [[And sometimes, it should be pretty clear to a liberal of any stripe which side has the reasonable position.] To take an extreme example, if an Islamist extremist insists that violence against the West is necessary until Islam dominates Europe and North America, that extremist is an enemy, regardless of what the West does or doesn’t do. The West can either fight or submit.
Rabbi Daniel Gordis makes a similar point in the latest issue of Commentary, discussing specifically rabbinical students who express hostility to Israel, though his point could be extended to many on the Jewish left:
If you asked a Jew at any other time in the history of our people whether or not he had enemies, the notion that he should consider the possibility he did not have enemies would have occasioned a blast of the mordant humor that has helped keep our tribe alive through the millennia. Today, however, the discomfort with the idea of “the enemy” and the intolerability of being in a drawn-out conflict has led these students to the conviction that Israel must solve the conflict. The Palestinian position is not going to shift; that much they intuit. But having enemies, and being in interminable conflict, is unbearably painful for them. So Israel must change. And if it will not, or cannot, then it is Israel that is at fault. In which case, it makes perfectly good sense for these future Jewish leaders to refuse to purchase prayer shawls manufactured in Israel and to insist on demonstratively remaining seated as the prayer for Israeli soldiers is recited in their rabbinical-school communities. They will do virtually anything in order to avoid confronting the fact that the Jewish people has intractable enemies. Their universalist worldview does not have a place for enemies.
Take it any way you like, I do not respond to your challenges and taunts because you make them. Your questions are as irrelevant to the point as your points are to rational discussion. It is plain what you are; what you then say you are has no bearing.
If Dan had used a picture of Obama pitching a baseball instead of Goodlatte, I’m sure he would not have used the word boy. As DaveH said context is important. If the picture were of an actual baseball player, that would be a different thing.
You can talk out of the side of your mouth all day long Suzie, but we all know why you use the term boy when referring to President Obama.
Calling an adult black man “boy” was one way of emasculating and belittling him. It was used to remind him that he was not on par with a white man. Instead he was to be considered a child. Someone whose opinion didn’t matter and shouldn’t be voiced to begin with… “Children should be seen but not heard”.
Most anyone can see when someone is using the word “boy”, in reference to a black man, in a purposely racist and derogatory manner. If they can’t then they should probably be excused, because they may be too young to understand or may be suffering from an intelligence deficiency.
I think it’s just disgusting all the free, uncritical publicity the MSM is giving Sarah Palin during this bus tour of hers. Are these fawning “reporters” in her pocket? Its obvious that the media want to see Palin run and are doing everything they can to help her.
Comment by gdad — June 1, 2011 @ 3:18 pm
Do I pick up a note of sarcasm in that comment gdad?
Dennis Miller is referring to those following the Weiner-Gate story as “Girthers”.
Sorry gang I just had to share that! It’s not like anybody but us will see it on the Open thread anyway. Most everybody’s following the shooting trhead, and I needed some comic relief.
Strike this one if you want Dan, I thought it was hilarious!
This never would have happened if Valley View would ban people from carrying weapons there.
“A man was hospitalized after he was attacked by three men and stabbed in a Valley View Mall parking lot today, Roanoke police said.”
Your questions are as irrelevant to the point as your points are to rational discussion.
How is asking about 0bama in a the picture headed ‘boy of summer’ irrelevant? it’s exactlly what we’re talking about. if you’re blasting me for my opinion, then you shouldn’t be afraid to offer yours. Unless of course, you just wanted to bitch.
So it looks like Dave H., Magpie, Debbie are calling Kristen and Miriam racist for find it acceptable to call black men”boy” in some circumstances where no racial reference is intended. That would logically mean I’m in the clear with some of the libs for doing the exact same thing. Excellent.
Here’s an interesting news report.
#29 Explain then “monkey man” or “monkey boy” or whatever silly, infantile, divisive term you use to reference Obama…
Have you totally lost your mind?
Context is is important in the use of any term.
What is clear is the space between your ears—clear of brain matter that is if you expect anyone on this blog to believe that your “boy” posts re: President Obama are not racially motivated. Your other comments in many instances have made your racial motivations perfectly clear
“Context is is important in the use of any term.”
You’re right about that, DaveH. Except for when your mind is steeped in black-vs.-white or good-vs.-evil thinking (a recognized psychological disorder, btw).
Wrong again, Suzie.. Your “logic” is nonexistent. I would say convoluted, but nonexistent is actually correct. You really need to find another hobby besides twisting thisgs around on this blog. Don’t you have some tropical island to visit, or someone to help “under the radar”?
Glad to see that HHS is finally growing some cojones.
I’ve already explained that. 0bama’s white features resemble those of a chimpanzee. Just like people said about Bush and just like recent Dan’s video used.
#34 True Dan. People with personality disorders see things very differently than other people.
“When someone’s perception of others is distorted, their responses are apt to be inappropriate as well. This leads to difficulties in being flexible to circumstances and seeing the true nature of things.
People with personality disorders tend to be stuck in patterns of thought, feeling, and behavior that don’t adapt to what’s really going on, which causes them to act in ways that leave everyone else puzzled.”
Here are three distorted thought patterns:
* Black-or-white thinking can also be referred to as all-or-nothing thinking. Thoughts become polarized as either-or; “always this” or “never that.” You can see these kinds of thoughts leave no room for shades of gray and do not allow for compromise, or a consideration of multiple alternatives or possibilities.
* Another related pattern is a vacillating pattern of extreme thinking. People are seen as either all good, or all bad, but not both.
* A heightened level of suspiciousness. With this pattern of thinking, other people’s actions and motivations are nearly always questioned and considered to be suspect. It interferes with the formation healthy and enjoyable relationships with others.
What is clear is the space between your ears—clear of brain matter that is if you expect anyone on this blog to believe that your “boy” posts re: President Obama are not racially motivated.
This is what you kooks are selling. That anyone who disagrees with 0bama’s socialist policies is a racist. Many of you in here have said as much.
As for who believes what, Dave? You’re the guy who expects rational people to believe your made-up story about a conservative woman vandalizing your car in broad daylight in a packed parking lot…..Then you vanished when we started asking questions. Vanished because you knew damn well you made it up.
Yeah. Or like context of when a liberals says something vs. a liberal saying the exact same thing.
@ DaveH – FYI, 2nd Tuesday Constitution Group has been running a radio ad insisting Cong. Goodlatte break his silence on the matter and take a stand on the War Powers Act as pertains to the U.S. involvement with the conflict in Libya.
Speaking of the 6th Dist. Congressman, I hear he stands to face a primary challenge next year, in the name of Karen Kwaitkowski. Being a retired (Air Force) Lt. Col, she may well have some valuable insight.
but… but… but Jack! – there’s no weapons allowed at Valley View!
#25 I was just imitating somebody I’ve heard before, Ron.
As a matter of fact, I DO want to bitch! Your posts are good for little else. As Magpie so eloquently put it, and as have MANY people before her, (as well as why you are no longer allowed on the Round Table Blog obviously), you know beyond any shadow of a doubt that your use of “boy”,”chimp”, or “monkey” in reference to President Obama is both beneath contempt and racist. That you keep defending it in the face of evidence and near universal discouragement would tell any sane person that to continue to do so can ever and only be taken one way. You think you are so clever with your hate radio inspired word games but you are as transparent as that glass house you live in. You fool no one on any issue, but certainly you will NEVER make any ground on this issue. Over 200 years of documented racism would inform a rational mind. You do it because you are allowed to do it, not because you do not mean it as racist. There are hundreds of derogatory, disparaging and disgusting insults you can choose from and time and time again, you choose the same racist insults just because you know how offensive we all find it to be. There is no case to be made except that you are a racist and notwithstanding hiding behind anonymity to do it, remain proud of it. You can get an argument going on this blog with all manner of insults and yet you always revert to character and return to racist insults for a reason, because you can and you enjoy it. Do you ruin everything you become a part of?
DOW fell 280 today. Yeah, this is a recovery all right. 18 months can’t pass soon enough until we get this disaster out of there.
Oh, I guess that was racist, wasn’t it?
you know beyond any shadow of a doubt that your use of “boy”,”chimp”, or “monkey” in reference to President Obama is both beneath contempt and racist.
Fortunately, I get to decide what I mean. Not the gasbag who claims any criticism at all of 0bama’s policies constitutes racism.
Still not answering the question about 0bama appearing under the heading “boy of summer”, I see. You won’t answer it either because you know I’ve got you as a racist hypocrite either way.
Back in November, crowing over your fabulous takeover of the House of Representatives, you guaranteed us that the Repubs and Tpers would have the economy straightened out and jobs created and that by spring or summer, the DOW would be well on its way back to 1500. So instead of
concentrating on jobs, they have spent 6 months trying to cram a right wing social agenda down the throats of a country that doesn’t want it
and making proposals to end medicare and give more tax cuts to the
2 per centers, a strategy which didn’t work when the Republicans did it before and has no chance of working now. So gripe all you want about the
DOW. Right now its 6000 pointxs higher than it was when GWB left it. And
its dropping now because the unconscious Republicans are threatening to torpedo the world economy by refuwsing to raise the debt limit unless they get their way on changes that people clearly don’t want. Say goodbye
to your house majority in 2012.
you guaranteed us that the Repubs and Tpers would have the economy straightened out and jobs created and that by spring or summer, the DOW would be well on its way back to 1500
Really, Dave? Do you fabricate everything you say? I wouldn’t make such a claim because the HR is but one third of the process, and as long as the Chimpster is at the helm, our economy will remain in deep trouble. But if you can find evidence of where I said any such thing, I’d be happy to listen. Maybe it’s right there with the imaginary scratch on your car from the imaginary act of vandalism.
You might be right about one thing, though. With 0bama in charge, the DOW might well hit 1500.
@Suzie – your lack of reading comprehension is astounding and, more likely than not, intentional. I believe if you re-read my post it is very obvious that not only do you and I not fall on the same side of the “boy” issue, we apparently live in completely different realities.
You don’t know the first thing about me. You have no idea if I am a liberal or conservative. The only thing you can assume from my posts is that I think the office of president deserves a modicum of respect (regardless of who holds the office), that I’m a smoker, and that I find racially charges terms offensive. I have no idea how you are able to assume a single thing about me based on those indicators in my exceedingly rare posts here.
But it definitely cracks me up (when it isn’t downright offensive).
“Fortunately, I get to decide what I mean.”
More moi, moi, moi!
And you totally wrong, if you have any intent to be under stood. All of your opinion is meaningless if only you know what you mean by the words you chose.
If one wishes to make a point, one must use language, common usage, idiom, structure etc that the reader understands.
Como está hoxe?
Nadhani wewe ni la kijinga ubaguzi nguruwe.
Ez duzu ulertzen
“Fortunately, I get to decide what I mean.” Translation-Just because she says something doesn’t mean she means what she says.
Do not buy into the fallacy that Suzie has any sort of reading comprehension problem, she has a “you listen to me” and “because I say so” problem. She is very very well aware of every insult she delivers and how it will be received. That kind of deliberate baiting, arrogance and disdain for the blog, fellow bloggers, Dan and the world at large has a label and we all know that too.
Want to look at REAL Dow Jones values and assign blame to your presidential party?
click that bad boy, then do yourself a favor and draw a vertical line in January 2009, and every 4 years prior. Then label those vertical columns for your president. What will come up is the starting value of the DOW when a president took office and left it. The Numbers speak for themselves….but for those of you who are inept with facts:
Obama (D) Begin 8599.18 Close 12290.14 (+3690.96) +42.9%
GWB (R) Begin 10659.98 End 8077.56 (-2582.42) -24.2%
Clinton (D) Begin 3256.81 End 10659.98 (+7403.17) +227.3%
Bush (R) Begin 2235.36 End 3256.81 (+1021.45) +45.7%
Reagan (R) Begin 940.19 End 2235.36 (+1295.17) +137.7%
“With Obama in charge” as Suzie states.. the numbers have gone up, even with the slide yesterday and today. The low mark of his term came 6 weeks in, at which point the tide turned and the market has been on a steady incline ever since.
Clinton’s gains were remarkable, and GWB may have taken us to the high water mark, but his leadership started losing ground in autumn of 2007, well before he left office.
If you want to place responsibility on the DOW’s performance based on the president, then I suggest you at least get your facts right, Suzie. But then again, when have facts ever stopped your radical extremist agenda?
Magpie @ 9:14 pm..excellent! LMAO but very true!
Speaking of Clinton, I don’t recall hearing half the fussing about him as we hear about Obama now, and both are liberals. There are posters on the blog that reveal why this is … and its not about the policies made by Obama.
I recall talking to a business owner several years ago ( a REAL one, not a faux tycoon on a blog) who said that Bush II killed off his workload quicker than Bush I did!! Your numbers seem to verify that!
#53 Every time the DOW takes a hit of any size, suzie predicts that the sky is falling. She never comes back to note it when the market goes back up. I wonder why that is?
There were few, if any blogs back in Clinton’s day — and when did Fox News launch? All there was back then was Limbaugh. . .
Dan, I guess your theory of more blogs = more fussing could be part of it.
Hmmm Gee, no response to factual numbers that can’t be argued with.
Shocker. I love that she can’t dispute my posts anymore. The only leg she had before was to call me a moron, even though I was correct.
Hmmm Gee, no response to factual numbers that can’t be argued with.
Shocker. I love that she can’t dispute my posts anymore. The only leg she had before was to call me a moron, even though I was correct.
I’ve addressed this before. It’s who controls Congress that matters. If we had full Tea Party control of both houses, unemployment would be going down instead of up. As for the moron thing, unfortunately you’ve done nothing to change my mind.
“I’ve addressed this before. It’s who controls Congress that matters. If we had full Tea Party control of both houses, unemployment would be going down instead of up.”
Translation: The person in office as president doesn’t matter. Therefore, every post by Suzie deriding Obama is, by her own admission, a complete waste of time,
#62- Dan, she probably thinks that’s true, because she’s going by her “love”, Bush. He didn’t veto anything at all, what his first term? Something like that, so she doesn’t realize that the president actually does have power to override Congress. But let’s not let reality and facts get in the way of a good delusion.
“I’ve addressed this before. It’s who controls Congress that matters. If we had full Tea Party control of both houses, unemployment would be going down instead of up. As for the moron thing, unfortunately you’ve done nothing to change my mind.”
Pompous vituperation is Suze’s specialty, enhanced by stupidity.
I’ve addressed this before. It’s who controls Congress that matters. If we had full Tea Party control of both houses, unemployment would be going down instead of up. As for the moron thing, unfortunately you’ve done nothing to change my mind.”
Suzie, you’re the one who blamed the DOW on the president.. Scroll up to see how you said: “You might be right about one thing, though. With 0bama in charge, the DOW might well hit 1500.”
You just invalidated yourself. Thank You for proving your hypocrisy yet again.
Name is required
A valid email is required (email@example.com)
Comment is required
Your email address will not be published.All fields are required to comment.
Thu, 12 Dec 2013 05:12:38 +0000
Metro Columnist Dan Casey knows a little bit about a lot of things but not a heck of a lot about most things. That doesn't keep him from writing about them, however. So keep him honest!
He welcomes your rants, raves and considered opinions, so long as the language is civil (i.e. no four-letter words). He'll read all your posts and may or may not respond.