Your thoughts on the Obama’s & Boehner’s speeches tonight
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House Speaker John Boehner
So who delivered the most effective speech tonight?
Does Boehner have enunciation issues? Was I the only one who wondered whether he had a couple pre-speech drinks?
Your thoughts, please.
July 25, 2011 - 10:06 PM
They were giving speeches tonight? Did they outline specific proposals to solve the problem? Did Boehner cry?
I was busy watching ‘The Closer’…
Boehner. He was certainly more truthful than President Pinocchio.
“If that happens, and we default, we would not have enough money to pay all of our bills – bills that include monthly Social Security checks, veterans’ benefits, and the government contracts we’ve signed with thousands of businesses”.
Not true SS has nothing to do with the debt ceiling. That is a lie. The debt ceiling is funded with T bills. The FICA tax on your paycheck. FICA tax funds SS checks. Why does the media for the most part not call him on this???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Insurance_Contributions_Act_tax
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/25/transcript-obamas-speech-to-nation-on-debt-talks/#ixzz1TAroT2h0
Abdnva,
No crying but it was the same old, same old by both. It is sickening.
Obama’s Summary
It is still Bush’s fault,a balanced deal(higher taxes is needed), millionaires and billionaires need to pay their fair share (those millionaire and billionaire families making $250k or more), corporate jet owners shouldn’t get tax breaks, and if a balanced deal isn’t reached women, children and the elderly will starve and suffer.
Boehner Summary
It is Obama’s fault and he still wants his blank check. He moved the target and didn’t take yes for an answer. We need to cut spending.
This is like watching “True Blood” except I can’t tell which one’s the Vampire and who’s the Werewolf…They both feed on the humans, i.e their american victims.
Seriously, Obama is giving away the farm and the Republicans want the whole hog too. Disgraceful.
Eric
One of the first things out of Boehner’s mouth was a lie. He said the house had passed a “bipartisan” proposal on the cap(rape) cut(crap on)
and balance(tilt) bill It was so bipartisan than it got 234 votes and 5 of them were Democrats. That legislation with its 2?3 majority requirement for any increases in revenues would effectively kill the federal govt. and prevent it from responding to needed emergency and necessary projects. It would also give the 17 smallest states in terms of population a virtual veto over legislation that would or could be favored by the vast majority of America’s 305 million people. It is insanity.
He talked like he had a mouth full of marbles and essentially said that compromse was not the way Republicans would do business. Eric Cantor is pulling his strings and he is certifiable.Once again, Obama tried to take the high road, Frankly, I was hoping he would take the gloves off and hit
them hard.
I still am unsure whether Boehner had a couple drinks before the speech or not. Does he always enunciate that way?
Dan
I think he had a few beers. Sounded like he needed to burp all the way through the speech. I guess that was it for any more work tonight!
It’s the way I talk after a pitcher of Bass Ale.
I didn’t see the speeches tonight but I have noticed that Boehner always sounds as if he is one breath away from either bursting into tears or laughter or he forgot to remove his retainer.
Passive-Agressive political mojo with the nation hanging in the balance…Ron Paul, not a minute too soon.
I didn’t listen to or watch either speech. It was clear to me that both would say what each needed to say to appeal to his base. We’ve heard that already. A pox on both their houses.
Just say yes to Bowles-Simpson and move on.
Just a thought–allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire in Dec. 2012 generates $2.7 Trillion by 2021. Add $200 billion in annualized spending cuts and you have a $4.7 Trillion reduction by 2021. That took a few seconds to type in this blog. It isn’t rocket science, but then it’s obvious that there are no rocket scientists in Congress or the White House.
Lotsa fussin’ but not getting close to fixin’ things!
Below is a link to one of the best pieces I’ve read recently on the economic mess in which we currently find ourselves. How can we find the will to do what is needed?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43886397/ns/politics/
Perhaps we should put Robert Kraft on the debt negotiation team.
I watched both and it is beyond doubt that Obama exaggerated for effect but told the truth and that Boehner exaggerated for effect and did not tell the truth.
Obama has not remotely asked for a “blank check” and he has more than met them half way, in fact he has given to the point that his own party is angry, seniors are frightened and people my age are dispirited as never before and STILL it is not enough for the Plutocracy protecting people who only demand that the “little people” sacrifice. We did not get us here, but it looks like we are damn sure gonna get us out. No freaking news there!
The best line of the night: ““The American people may cast their votes for divided government but not a dysfunctional government“. That is the truth and if tearing this nation apart is your solution, you are part of the problem.
Some of these people are politicians not patriots and it shows clearly!
I just wanted to shake John Boehner and yell, “Wake up idiot! You are Big Government!”.
Talk about delusional.
Boehner blaming “Big Government” is like Fox blaming the “Mainstream media”.
I watched the speeches on Channel 21/27 and they had Shep Smith from Fox News doing a wee bit of commentary. To my surprise, he accurately summarized the differences between the two plans. It was obvious that he believes Obama’s is the more fair and balanced one … which it is.
““Really interesting this afternoon, when I was talking to an investor who had met with the ratings agencies at Standard & Poor, talking about the potential of a downgrade — which by the way could raise interest rates the same way a potential default could — and they said the Boehner plan probably wouldn’t hit the hurdle to prevent a downgrade”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/25/john-boehner-debt-ceiling-plan_n_909276.html
Now Boehner can’t even get his own no compromise “compromise” through his
Republican caucus because Cantor and the tea party wing are demanding something even more radical. While our country gets ready to fall off Mt. Everest, the Republican party moves closer and closer to imploding
because of radical house Republicans. After this week the fire Eric Cantor fund should grow immensely.
Boehners own party wont support him now and the Tea Party that was holding the GOP hostage is now gonna screw all of us!
WOW! 2012 gets easier all the time. Wonder of the Rightwingers have even begun to realize what I heap of poop they got themselves in by courting the Tea Party?
USA credit already downgraded. I looked outside and the sky hasn’t fallen yet.
http://money.usnews.com/money/business-economy/articles/2011/07/22/meet-3-ratings-agencies-that-have-already-downgraded-the-us
Cut Cap and Balance!
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/07/21/cnn-poll-two-thirds-of-americans-support-cut-cap-and-balance-plan/
0bama blinked on the tax increase demands. He’s officially history. WoooHOOOO!
Ron, I agree that Bowles-Simpson’s plan was/is the ticket. It was bi-partisan and addressed most of the critical issues. Pelosi immediately poo-poo’d it and Obama didn’t even try to take the lead and get it passed. I don’t think the far right or far left want a bipartisan solution. We’re screwed!
“Contrary to Republican dogma, polls show that the American people strongly support higher taxes to reduce the deficit and improve income inequality. Following are 19 different polls since the first of the year that say so.”
http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/2292/americans-support-higher-taxes-really
“Of those surveyed for a Reuters/Ipsos poll released Tuesday, 56 percent said they want to see a mix of approaches used in an agreement to raise the debt ceiling. The poll was conducted overnight Monday, as Obama and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) voiced their views on the impasse in negotiations in back-to-back televised primetime speeches.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59966.html#ixzz1TGC4WEfg
“The best news for Obama in the survey is that a solid plurality of Americans expressed more trust in him than in congressional Republicans to make decisions on the intertwined issues of raising the borrowing limit and reducing long-term debt. On the subject of the deficit, 46 percent of respondents said they trust Obama most to “make the right decisions,” while 34 percent said they place more faith in congressional Republicans. Regarding the debt ceiling, a virtually identical 46 percent leaned toward Obama and 35 percent chose the GOP.”
http://nationaljournal.com/daily/voters-fear-debt-deal-will-hurt-medicare-20110725
They overplayed their hand and they will pay the price.
Bill Perdue, I could be wrong but when in the history of this nation do you think the far right or far left has EVER wanted or worked for a “bipartisan” solution? That is the reason we stand here today. The fringes (and certainly one has been more dominant than the other in the past 30 years) have ALWAYS wanted “their way or the highway” and we ended up with crap legislation from NCLB, and the Patriot Act, to the health care “reform”, same with the Iraq and Afghanistan war fronts and every other problem we have faced for the last thirty years. The attitude is, and pardon my language, “if we can’t stop it, we will efff it up because their name is on it” and that is exactly what has happened and what has led us here. It is also exactly the attitude of the die-hard fringes who post here.
We, as the voters and the American people who have to live with the consequences, need to stop listening to and voting for the destructive fringes! Anyone can think that Obama is the problem or that this is all new misery, but it has been building since the Nixon movement and that is documented fact.
“The best news for Obama in the survey is that a solid plurality of Americans expressed more trust in him than in congressional Republicans to make decisions on the intertwined issues of raising the borrowing limit and reducing long-term debt. On the subject of the deficit, 46 percent of respondents said they trust Obama most to “make the right decisions,” while 34 percent said they place more faith in congressional Republicans. Regarding the debt ceiling, a virtually identical 46 percent leaned toward Obama and 35 percent chose the GOP.”
http://nationaljournal.com/daily/voters-fear-debt-deal-will-hurt-medicare-20110725
They overplayed their hand and they will pay the price.
Now let’s apply some critical thinking here, shall we, dear?
1) Do you think Idiot Boy would have knuckled under on tax hikes had the polls been dramatically in his favor as you claim?
2) Do you think the citizenry who sent spendthrift Democrats packing in droves last fall have suddenly done an about face?
You people get suckered in by your own leftwing polls, then can’t figure it out when reality doesn’t match.
“Both Reid and Boehner’s plans would created a super committee — or Super Congress — made up of legislators from both parties and both chambers that would have the power to write laws and send them directly to Congress for a fast-track, up-or-down vote that could not be amended.”
The tax hikes are coming and like many things Washington, they will likely be worse than the original proposal that was turned down.
I sincerely hope the TEA Protest takes Boehner and Cantor down with them! Busy day on the HuffPo!
“Boehner had to cancel a vote on his effort after the Congressional Budget Office declared it cut only $850 billion over 10 years and his Tea Party members rebelled. ”
“The Republican-leaning National Association of Manufacturers is demanding — again — that Congress raise the debt ceiling.”
“The GOP rank and file tore into Republican Study Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (Ohio) on Wednesday for his role in coordinated attacks on Republicans who have backed Speaker John Boehner’s (Ohio) debt limit proposal.”
“We have to have a fail-safe mechanism,” Larson said. “We believe that fail-safe mechanism is the 14th Amendment and the president of the United States.”
“In an editorial Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal criticizes House Republicans for opposing House Speaker John Boehner’s debt ceiling plan. Doing so, the WSJ editorial board says, would “hand Mr. Obama a victory.”
“About 75 people tried to enter U.S. Representative Dave Reichert’s (R) office around noon Tuesday to urge him to avoid deep cuts to Social Security and Medicare. Many held signs stating “Don’t Destroy the American Dream” and “Stop the Blame Game.”
“Boehner’s Debt Ceiling Plan Found Insufficient By Wall Street: Bank Of America Report”
When Rick Scott and Donald Trump are telling you to let the nation default on its debt, you are too far down the rabbit hole. Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey Hey…
Boehner, Romney, McConnell are the best and the brightest of the GOP? It’s no wonder the Republican Party is in decline.
Will they survive as a major political party until 2014? If not, what will take their place? The Libertarians or will the neo-cons make a cameo appearance? Are the Social Conservatives in retreat and what of the RINOs?
Boehner, Romney, McConnell are the best and the brightest of the GOP? It’s no wonder the Republican Party is in decline.
Will they survive as a major political party until 2014? If not, what will take their place? The Libertarians or will the neo-cons make a cameo appearance? Are the Social Conservatives in retreat and what of the RINOs?
JIM,
In case you missed it, it doesn’t matter how good or smart or capable the Republicans are anymore. The Communist Party has succeeded in its 60-year-old stated goal of infiltrating and controlling the media, the unions, and a political party. The game is rigged. Democrats won’t be vetted, and Republicans will only be destroyed by the media machine. Cheating in the precincts will take care of the rest.