2012.02.04
They’re not responsible on the Saturday OPEN thread
Shot by Dan Sunday at Cave Spring Corners
“No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.”
Voltaire
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Not returning carts is a pet peeve of mine. Another one is when folks pump their gas, leave the car at the pump then go inside and pay for it and also stop in at the attached fast food joint while their car remains at the pump! I am amazed and disappointed at the number of people who do that. It’s a gas pump not a parking spot!
Comment by scott whitaker — February 4, 2012 @ 11:14 am
Quote of the day:
“It’s not a lie when it wasn’t intended to be a factual statement”.
Stephen Colbert referencing Sen. Jon Kyl’s lie about Planned Parenthood. Actually the quote is from April but has as much relevance today.
Comment by scott whitaker — February 4, 2012 @ 11:21 am
And the last straw agrees.
Comment by Jeffrey King — February 4, 2012 @ 11:21 am
It’s like the Christian Taliban has taken over the GA in Richmond. Sad days for Virginia.
Comment by gdad — February 4, 2012 @ 11:45 am
I’m glad to see in the story this morning about the girl who got a six-organ transplant that Maine has a “Communist” medicare system that saved her life. What’s really disgusting is that right wingers like troll suzie would get rid of that system. As long as we make sure that the little girl isn’t aborted as a fetus and that her conception isn’t prevented because of a condom, it doesn’t matter if she just goes ahead a dies at age 5 because her parents abandoned her and her grandparents aren’t rich.
Comment by gdad — February 4, 2012 @ 12:40 pm
#1 Long ago and far away my parents lived in Louisiana and down there folks NEVER return the cart. Parking lots are littered with them. Half the empty parking spots have carts in them.
Comment by gdad — February 4, 2012 @ 12:42 pm
Now who is responsible for committing voter fraud?
http://tinyurl.com/6ubqpnj
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By Associated Press, Published: February 3 | Updated: Saturday, February 4, 8:26 AM
INDIANAPOLIS — Indiana’s top elections official could lose his job and his freedom after jurors convicted him of multiple voter fraud-related charges on Saturday, leaving in flux the fate of one of the state’s most powerful positions.
Republican Secretary of State Charlie White has held on to his office for more than a year despite being accused of lying about his address on voter registration forms.
A Hamilton County jury found White guilty of six of seven felony charges, including false registration, voting in another precinct, submitting a false ballot, theft and two counts of perjury. He was acquitted on one fraud charge.
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Comment by Dave Hicks — February 4, 2012 @ 1:17 pm
“It’s not a lie when it wasn’t intended to be a factual statement”.
I thought that was Eric Holder.
And now is where you say “Touche”
Comment by Suzie — February 4, 2012 @ 1:22 pm
My big pet peeve is going to Walmart early in the morning and having to park significantly farther away from the door because of all the empty rows of prime handicapped spots. IMHO, private businesses shouldn’t be dicatated to about parking, anyway, but if they have to be, the spaces should have handicapped status only at certain hours, say 9 am to 9 pm. Or, if fewer than half the spots are filled at any time, anyone should be able to park there.
Comment by Suzie — February 4, 2012 @ 1:55 pm
Dave Hicks, welcome back!
The only folks I’ve heard of committing voter fraud are Republicans … first James O’Keefe’s minions in New Hampshire, for which they have not been charged, and now this statewide office holder in Indiana. Anybody heard of any Democrats committing voter fraud?
I wonder if it’s part of the strategy to enact voting “reforms” designed to keep the poor and elderly from voting? You prove that fraud is happening by committing it, then use those crimes to justify new laws disenfranchising people you don’t want to vote.
Comment by Dan Casey — February 4, 2012 @ 1:58 pm
All the Republicans in Indiana are crying the prosecution of Secr. of State Charlie White is political witchhunt. Problem with that is his prosecution was done in a highly Republican county and led by an independent prosecutor appointed by a Republican county judge. Mr. White was nominated by a Republican state convention not the voters. He is a sleeze bag. Indiana is so Republican that in 2010 it elected a U.S. Senator (Dan Coates) that didn’t even live in Indiana and hadn’t for at least 10 years.
Comment by Ron — February 4, 2012 @ 2:08 pm
@#9. As my dear departed mother-in-law would say “offer it up”! I’ve needed one of those parking spaces in the past and was very grateful they were available. Now I am grateful to be able to park farther away and get the exercise.
Comment by Blacksburg Suz — February 4, 2012 @ 2:14 pm
Anybody heard of any Democrats committing voter fraud?
LOL. Where do we start?
http://commentarama.blogspot.com/2011/08/democrats-convicted-of-voter-fraud.html
Then of course, there are the multiple convictions of ACORN for voter registration fraud.
Comment by Suzie — February 4, 2012 @ 2:20 pm
#9 WAAAAAH you must be one laaaaazy thing – sure let the disabled limp from across a parking lot just so you can move your FA closer to the doors…..your empathy is non-existent.
Priceless:
“However, i don’t have as much sympathy for fake-poor fake-disabled 0bama-voting fatasses who demand accommodations at the expense of everyone else.”
Comment by Suzie — December 13, 2011 @ 10:28 am
Comment by Hillary — February 4, 2012 @ 2:22 pm
No Suzie #8, it can only be touché if Holder actually said it like Kyl did. Naturally, in your twisted mind it is all the same thing. Do you people ever get tired of being wrong? Or disgusting?
Comment by Sandi Saunders — February 4, 2012 @ 3:07 pm
@9: I’m sure if you put out the word, those needing hadicapped spaces would be happy to arrange their schedules around your lazy arse.
Comment by Saintbridge — February 4, 2012 @ 3:08 pm
@13: ACORN has never been found in violation of any laws, voter registration-wise or else. Not once.
Comment by Saintbridge — February 4, 2012 @ 3:10 pm
#14 Hillary, that’s just troll bringing up one of her old POS efforts at changing the subject away from how she’s let that 5-year-old girl die. Anyway, you can tell she’s lying, because Walmart shoppers absolutely PACK those handicapped spaces.
Comment by gdad — February 4, 2012 @ 3:17 pm
“It’s like the Christian Taliban has taken over the GA in Richmond.”
Let’s see. The Taliban rape women, demand they are covered, shoot them for adultery, beat them for showing an ankle and burn their schools. Gdad thinks that is no big deal because women in Virginia have it worse because they have to get a sonogram before they kill their unborn child.
Rape, killing, beating and burning women no big deal, gdad? Really? I hope you never get any power. God help the women of America if you do if you think all that stuff is the same as a sonogram.
Comment by Henry — February 4, 2012 @ 3:26 pm
#12 A woman of my heart! For two reasons I don’t park close to the store. I like the exercise and I figure as long as I’m healthy, I’ll let those who perhaps aren’t park closer.
Comment by scott whitaker — February 4, 2012 @ 3:34 pm
#13 you should check your post’s source or are you really Lake Claytor?
“Over the past year, Breitbart has hired editors to run a new network of conservative blogs called BigGovernment.com, BigHollywood.com and BigJournalism.com. No matter the focus, the media are a prime target throughout.’
The media have devoted intense coverage to the late-January arrest of James O’Keefe, the 25-year-old videographer and conservative provocateur. He was charged with trying to get into Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu’s federal office in New Orleans under false pretenses to commit a felony. And O’Keefe is also under contract to write for BigGovernment.com.
“http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/bighollywood/2010/02/02/nprs-all-things-considered-profiles-andrew-breitbart/#more-304338
See the connection????
Andrew Breitbart also runs Commentarama, the source that was used in #13′s post.
Some headlines for Andrew Breitbart:
Andy Breitbart, Pathological Liar, Race-Baiter, Undone. ..
Big Government founder Andrew Breitbart has been summoned to New York for a grand jury
Andrew Breitbart is a despicable human being.
Comment by Hillary — February 4, 2012 @ 4:16 pm
#9 WAAAAAH you must be one laaaaazy thing – sure let the disabled limp from across a parking lot just so you can move your FA closer to the doors…..your empathy is non-existent.
Nah, I bike or walk most mornings before you ever get out of bed. It’s just that I get tired of being unnecessarily inconvenienced, especially when I go into WM at 6:00AM after I’ve exercised as was the case yesterday. I am suspect of many of the “disabled” designations. I don’t like 30-somethings who weigh 400 lbs getting special treatment just because they’ve made the decision to pork it up on chips, cakes, and sodas– probably financed by my tax money.
But for the truly disabled and the fake disabled alike, I still allow for sensible guidelines like the ones I laid out in #9.
Comment by Suzie — February 4, 2012 @ 4:18 pm
gdad, I love your spin on words to make it sound nicer..
“aborted as a fetus” should be said correctly “murdered as an unborn child”
Comment by Pistol Pete — February 4, 2012 @ 4:21 pm
Saintbridge, welcome back!
Comment by Dan Casey — February 4, 2012 @ 4:56 pm
Everyone knows that ACORN has never been convicted of voter fraud, or voter registration fraud. The guy who tried to “expose” ACORN, on the other hand, James O’Keefe, has been convicted of a crime. And his associates may yet be charged/convicted in New Hampshire.
And then there’s the graying slimeball Secretary of State in Indiana, who was convicted last week, and is married to a woman who looks like she’s 19. The dude was defrauding the elections board and robbing the cradle at the same time!
Comment by Dan Casey — February 4, 2012 @ 5:00 pm
I’ll address the sonogram issue in my column Sunday, along with hunting on Sundays and Del. Bob Marshall’s efforts to legalize the manufacture of incandescent light bulbs in Virginia.
We’ll call that column, Casey’s Amendments.
Comment by Dan Casey — February 4, 2012 @ 5:03 pm
Everyone knows that ACORN has never been convicted of voter fraud, or voter registration fraud.
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/04/18/acorn-convicted-in-massive-voter-fraud-conspiracy-legacy-media-yawns/
On April 6 the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), that is, the organization itself as opposed to its employees, was convicted in Las Vegas of felony “compensation” for registration of voters.
Who is it that makes up stuff again?
Comment by Suzie — February 4, 2012 @ 5:11 pm
Please Dan, make sure in Sunday’s column you use words like… “Choice” and “Abort” , and “Fetus”, and “End a pregnancy”.
I’m sure the real terms like “Murder” and “Unborn Child”, and “CHOOSE TO KILL” will not be used.
Also, please use Roe vs. Wade as a basis where Seven people in the United States PULLED out of the 14th amendment the words “right to privacy” (which do not exist in the 14th).
Comment by Pistol Pete — February 4, 2012 @ 5:11 pm
And before its finished, four of Scott Walker’s closest personal aides will be convicted of election fraud and campaign finance fraud in Wisconsin. And they have pushed voter suppression laws with photo ids and then closed down DMV offices in areas with larger minority populations to make it tougher for people from those areas to register to vote.
Comment by dave — February 4, 2012 @ 5:15 pm
Hillary,
Breitbart reported on convictions which are easily verifiable. Are you saying because you don’t like Breitbart, those Democrats listed were not convicted of voter fraud?
Lefties LOVE to veer from the issue at hand.
Comment by Suzie — February 4, 2012 @ 5:15 pm
PP,
don’t make the mistake of assuming that I’m against the sonogram bill. Actually, I think our lawmakers should strengthen it, and put that mandate on ALL pregnant women. Force’em to pay for something they might not necessarily want.
And they should do a bunch of other medical tests as well.
Comment by Dan Casey — February 4, 2012 @ 5:15 pm
Hey, Dan. Do I sense some envy there?
Comment by Atterbury — February 4, 2012 @ 5:15 pm
and men who want viagra, cialis et al should first get a rectal exam. Of course those in Richmond voted that down…
Comment by Hillary — February 4, 2012 @ 5:20 pm
Yeah Dan, listen to ole Pistol Pete there and denigrate, shame and demean women to the fullest extent of your journalistic abilities. After all, the world we have created most assuredly supports pregnant women, mothers who have children and children themselves with every assistance and support they could ever need and there is just no reason at all anyone could ever want or need to end a pregnancy in this nirvana. You “right wing nanny state” “snerts” make me ashamed for you.
Comment by Sandi Saunders — February 4, 2012 @ 5:24 pm
I guess the game is on. We’ll see how badly the Republicans want the Keystone Pipeline.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/03/usa-keystone-exports-idUSL2E8D3CMT20120203
Comment by Ron — February 4, 2012 @ 5:28 pm
Oh yea..i read that mess about amnio’s (a RISKY TEST) the other day. sounds like a liberal (save the whales, kill the children.)
Comment by Pistol Pete — February 4, 2012 @ 5:30 pm
#28 Pistol Pete…or call the anti-choice crowd what they are “forced birthers” or comment on their lunacy that a fertilized egg should be a legally recognized person…
or how these anti-choice fools want to criminalize miscarriage…
And I still have not heard from my illustrious representatives on who pays for all these unnecessary tests? Maybe you could volunteer to pay for them since you seem to want to into a woman’s uterus.
Lunatics and fanatics, all.
Comment by Hillary — February 4, 2012 @ 5:35 pm
It’s sounding more and more like perhaps we ought to beef up the laws against REPUBLICAN voter fraud, rather than laws that will prevent seniors and students from voting.
Comment by Dan Casey — February 4, 2012 @ 5:40 pm
PP, why would you support a law that doesn’t do its utmost to protect the health of ALL pregnant women? Why are you so fixated on the minority of pregnant women who want abortions? I say, give ALL of them a bunch of unnecessary tests … the sonograms, plus CAT scans, MRIs, dental xrays and more.
Comment by Dan Casey — February 4, 2012 @ 5:45 pm
#30 most ill-informed
NO One was found guilty of voter fraud. NO One stuffed ballot boxes with illegitimate votes!
“Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes. What [it] is is actually VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD. Several ACORN canvassers have been found guilty of faking registration forms and others are being investigated. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn’t do, not to stuff ballot boxes.”
http://factcheck.org/2008/10/acorn-accusations/
The same was said of Gingrich’s bogus signatures to get on the ballot in VA….
Comment by Hillary — February 4, 2012 @ 5:57 pm
Explain why an ultrasound is unnecessary? Oh I know, you wouldn’t want to see if the baby has a heartbeat because liberals don’t care if they live or die anyway. Im with you. I got four kids and I loved to know that our baby was healthy! Mandate an ultrasound all you want, but it IS necessary to ensure the health of the child so parents can prepare.
You go ahead and print that column about mandating dental work etc. and you’ll have physicians all over laughing at you. Its not about a freakin abscess tooth. Its about HUMAN LIFE! (if you even cared)
Comment by Pistol Pete — February 4, 2012 @ 6:16 pm
Hillary, expecting a credible argument or offering is like expecting snow in Roanoke July 15. If they tell the truth they lose, so they lie and pretend they have a case. Delusional is more than a state of mind, it is the right wing political ideology.
Comment by Sandi Saunders — February 4, 2012 @ 6:17 pm
a really good article about a lesson we apparently have failed to learn.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/04/politics/watergate-reform/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
Comment by Ron — February 4, 2012 @ 6:18 pm
Suzie – Riding the hoveround to the corner store for a box of wine in the morning doesn’t really count as “biking”.
Comment by Ernie — February 4, 2012 @ 6:43 pm
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What [it] is is actually VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD.
Thanks Hillary for disproving Dan’s claim that ACORN never committed voter registration fraud. I always appreciate help from liberals in making my case.
Comment by Suzie — February 4, 2012 @ 7:11 pm
Yo, Pistol Pete:
Don’t you believe pregnant women who are NOT seeking abortions should be mandated to have sonograms?
Why not?
Comment by Dan Casey — February 4, 2012 @ 7:21 pm
If a wealthy private citizen offered to pay for ultrasounds for all those considering abortion, the left would still oppose it. But I think Planned Parenthood should have to provide at least something for the $100 million taxpayer dollars it gets each year..
Comment by Suzie — February 4, 2012 @ 7:25 pm
#45 ill-informed one
Dan said “ACORN has never been convicted of voter fraud, or voter registration fraud.”
Dan is correct. You didn’t score any points…
Had you read my post [you can read can't you?] the fact is “Several ACORN CANVASSERS have been found guilty”
That would be like accusing Gingrich of wrongdoing for the canvassers whom he had hired and who then falsified signatures to get him on the VA ballot. Too hard a concept for you?
Comment by Hillary — February 4, 2012 @ 7:34 pm
Wow! Newt Gingrich committed voter fraud! Who knew dat?
Good thing they kept him off the Va., GOP primary ballot.
He’s a criminal!
Comment by Dan Casey — February 4, 2012 @ 7:40 pm
Now here is a REAL case of Republican voter fraud – with felony convictions
“Indiana Secretary of State Charlie White (R) was convicted of six felonies early this morning, and consequently lost his job.”
“After about 12 hours of deliberation, a jury convicted White of three counts of voter fraud, two counts of perjury and one count of theft.” http://www.indystar.com/article/20120204/NEWS02/120203035/Jury-Secretary-State-Charlie-White-guilty-6-7-vote-fraud-charges?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com
Like I always say, if they can’t lie, cheat or steal, Republicans can’t win.
Comment by Hillary — February 4, 2012 @ 8:16 pm
So Suzie, if an employee of yours broke the law while employed by you, that would be your fault and make you guilty of the crime? Good to know.
Comment by Sandi Saunders — February 4, 2012 @ 8:31 pm
Just when we thought Mitt Romney’s tax rate was low. Read the article linked below. Corporate tax rates are so high in the U.S.
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/03/10309301-if-you-thought-romneys-taxes-were-low-wait-until-you-see-what-companies-pay
Comment by Ron — February 4, 2012 @ 9:04 pm
Had you read my post [you can read can't you?] the fact is “Several ACORN CANVASSERS have been found guilty”
Oh, I see. You leftwingers split hairs between ACORN workers and ACORN. But wait. My link in #27 showed where ACORN the organization was convicted of voter registration fraud.
So…you and Dan are wrong any way you slice it. LOL.
Comment by Suzie — February 4, 2012 @ 9:44 pm
#42 “Delusional is more than a state of mind, it is the right wing political ideology.”
Sandi, you’re awesome…
Comment by scott whitaker — February 4, 2012 @ 10:33 pm
@#27: I have no idea if ACORN has been involved in shady practices, to be honest. And if they have, I am willing to bet the organization has no worse a record of malfeasance than your typical class of congressmen and women. I just wanted to see what it was like to blurt out something I would like to be true, but not really having any basis to make it on. I don’t know how you do it.
Comment by Saintbridge — February 4, 2012 @ 11:55 pm
I just wanted to see what it was like to blurt out something I would like to be true, but not really having any basis to make it on. I don’t know how you do it.
Your problem, skippy, is I provided proof. As in every last one of these debates where I face accusations of making stuff up, I turn out to be the only one who’s right.
Comment by Suzie — February 5, 2012 @ 7:40 am
I did enjoy this attempt by the blog’s leftwingers and by leftwing “Fact Check” to separate the crimes of individuals committed working at ACORN, and ACORN the organization. That logic pretty much absolves the Catholic Church of all abuse cases, since it was the action of a few rogue gay priests. And it absolves all corporations of misdeeds since, as we’ve repeatedly heard, “organizations are not people”
LOL.
Comment by Suzie — February 5, 2012 @ 7:44 am
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Companies are run by smart people who pay as little as they legally can. Leftwingers wonder why companies relocate their headquarters or use foreign labor. The answer in both cases is liberal policies. Expensive union labor and forced minimum wages make even liberals like Steve Jobs send their manufacturing operations to China. High corporate taxes sends HQ’s to other countries.
Imagine if liberals were out of the picture. America would have the 9% yearly growth like China currently has, everyone would be employed, all the taxes would stay here because the HQ’s woudl be here. What people haven’t been told is the recession has ended in some other arts of the world.
Comment by Suzie — February 5, 2012 @ 7:52 am
So Suzie, if an employee of yours broke the law while employed by you, that would be your fault and make you guilty of the crime? Good to know.
Have you been asleep, hon? That’s the way liberals have made it for years where the deep-pocket organization bears responsibility for every little thing done by an employee. Now you all the sudden say it shouldn’t apply to ACORN.
You people can turn the hypocrisy on like a faucet.
Comment by Suzie — February 5, 2012 @ 7:56 am
“of unnecessary tests ..the sonograms, plus CAT scans, MRIs, dental xrays and more.
Comment by Dan Casey — February 4, 2012 @ 5:45 pm”
DANNY DANNY DANNY, would you want your dentist to pull a tooth without looking at xrays first? If so then you know absolutely zilch about medical procedures and the problems one can have it not following proper protocol.
of course libbies do not want to see who they are murdering, not that
y it would bother their conscience, oh wait….
pregnant women who want to keep their children get sonograms danny, all the time, boy are you uninformed
Comment by pammala — February 5, 2012 @ 8:35 am
Chip Woodrum, 13 Sun’s walrus comment on the caption thread was a joke. Previously those who’ve made similar comments have been accused of being the same person.
Comment by Debbie — February 5, 2012 @ 10:24 am
Yeah, isn’t it amazing, Pammala? Up to now, nearly every pregnant woman got a sonogram as a matter of routine, and now the leftwingers say they are unnecessary, even worthless.
Shazam!
Comment by Suzie — February 5, 2012 @ 10:33 am
“Let’s take the case of Warren Buffett with his similarly misleading protest that he only pays a 15% tax rate. Like Mitt Romney, most of Buffett’s income is capital gains. But what he fails to tell you is his corporation, Berkshire Hathaway pays the corporate rate which is now 35%. So technically he is not paying the corporate rate on his personal return, but his company to a large degree is himself, and his company does pay an exorbitant tax rate.”
Comment by Suzie — January 24, 2012 @ 1:44 pm
“Companies are run by smart people who pay as little as they legally can.”
Comment by Suzie — February 5, 2012 @ 7:52 am
So Suzie Q says that companies pay exhorbitant tax rates (35%). In 2010 U.S. companies paid an average tax rate of 12.1% which was the lowest rate in 40 years. U.S. companies paid $181 billion in taxes in 2010. Individuals like you and me paid $1.1 trillion in taxes. You and I paid 10 times more taxes than U.S. companies. But Suzie Q would have you believe that companies paid exhorbitant taxes. We all know that Suzie Q is full of B.S.
I don’t know about you, but I really feel sorry for those U.S. companies.
By the way, the source of my information is the Wall Street Journal.
Comment by Ron — February 5, 2012 @ 11:01 am
I notice that Pistol Pete didn’t address why he wants to let children like the 5-year-old who need transplants die. Suzie hasn’t addressed it, either. Typical.
Comment by gdad — February 5, 2012 @ 11:27 am
Individuals paid 6+ times in taxes compared to corporations in 2010 not 10 times. Nonetheless, you and I paid a higher rate and much more in taxes.
Comment by Ron — February 5, 2012 @ 11:39 am
@#56: You may be right, but the rest of us need a telescope to see the planet you live on, so you’re as irrelevant as the blissfully ignorant who populate the far right.
Comment by Saintbridge — February 5, 2012 @ 12:18 pm
In 2010 U.S. companies paid an average tax rate of 12.1% which was the lowest rate in 40 years.
Well, let’s think for a moment about some possible reasons for this, Liberal Ron. Did 0bama lower tax rates for corporations? No. Did companies decide to start cheating on their taxes? No.
How about this one? They made less money during this 0bama recession. When companies lose money, they pay no taxes. Then liberal snerts average the no-pays with the profitable companies, and Viola!. They screech that “Corporations are paying less, and that’s not fair”.
I am constantly amazed at how the liberal dupes in this blog accept every stat fed to them without one bit of analysis. As long as liberals declare war on corporations, look for more of them to move to more friendly environments.
Comment by Suzie — February 5, 2012 @ 12:54 pm
Chip Woodrum, 13 Sun’s walrus comment on the caption thread was a joke. Previously those who’ve made similar comments have been accused of being the same person.
That’s odd. Dave isn’t whining that Chip and “13 Suns” violated the rules of the contest thread. I guess he’s waiting until a conservative does it before he screams his head off.
Comment by Suzie — February 5, 2012 @ 12:57 pm
@#56: You may be right, but the rest of us need a telescope to see the planet you live on, so you’re as irrelevant as the blissfully ignorant who populate the far right.
I would think those who are constantly wrong are the ones who populate the distant planet.
Comment by Suzie — February 5, 2012 @ 12:59 pm
Suzie, the good people here — and I say good because they don’t have to take you by the hand like a 5-year-old — and walk you through your arguments on pretty much a daily basis and explain to you how wrong and or ridiculous you are. The only thing I think keeps you here is that you are merely an attention whore and you get some measure of self-worth each time you are mentioned on the blog. Otherwise, you have nothing to offer other than comedic relief. Remember, humility is not a sin, but willful ignorance is.
Comment by Saintbridge — February 5, 2012 @ 2:07 pm
Is Saintbridge going through these linguistic gyrations to cover for the fact that I proved ACORN and it’s members have been convicted of election registration fraud?
Comment by Suzie — February 5, 2012 @ 3:00 pm
“The total cash held by US non-financial corporations surged to $1.2 trillion at the end of 2010, up 11.2 percent from a year earlier, Moody’s Investors Service said in a report last week.”
Six months later the cash hoard had grown to more than $2 trillion. The quote above is from a Moody’s report. The two quotes are from the Wall Street Journal.
“Corporations have a higher share of cash on their balance sheets than at any time in nearly half a century, as businesses build up buffers rather than invest in new plants or hiring.”
“Nonfinancial companies held more than $2 trillion in cash and other liquid assets at the end of June, the Federal Reserve reported Friday, up more than $88 billion from the end of March. Cash accounted for 7.1% of all company assets, everything from buildings to bonds, the highest level since 1963.”
Yep! Suzie Q, they made less money. That’s why U.S. Corporations only held $1.2 trillion in 2010. Six months later the cash hoard had grown to more than $2 trillion. The first quote above is from a Moody’s report. The second two quotes are from the Wall Street Journal.
Bottom line Suzie Q is that I’m sure China would be a great place for you and hubby to move his business. I’m sure you would adjust well to the communist system there. Also, you hubby’s competitors in the Roanoke valley would love him to take you and leave.
Comment by Ron — February 5, 2012 @ 3:02 pm
Corporations have had some of the highest profits in years under Obama. All you have to do is check the stock reports to verify.
Comment by Richard J Beason, CPA — February 5, 2012 @ 3:06 pm
Ron, of course, corporate profits are at a record high. It’s no secret, and it may be one reason why the corps have felt the need to engage in elaborate maneuvers to cut down on their tax bills.
Comment by Dan Casey — February 5, 2012 @ 4:18 pm
You have to appreciate someone like Suzie, splashing their delusions around like cheap perfume. It has been a fact for the centuries that laws have ruled us that we do separate the crimes individuals commit while working at any organization, and crimes the organization chooses to commit. What cannot absolve the Catholic Church of all abuse cases, is not the crime of the abuse being committed by the individual, but the cover up, moving of the pedophiles, hiding of it and lack of removing the stench that the church will carry for all time. The rogue catholic pedophiles were only the tip of the ugly iceberg. And the same holds true for much of the corporate misdeeds. You, of all people know that.
Comment by Sandi Saunders — February 5, 2012 @ 4:27 pm
“In 2010 U.S. companies paid an average tax rate of 12.1% which was the lowest rate in 40 years.”
The lower tax rate can also be attributed to accelerated write-offs through additional bonus depreciation during this time.
Comment by Big Momma — February 5, 2012 @ 5:31 pm
#67 Mores made-up stuff by racist troll suzie. What a liar.
Comment by gdad — February 5, 2012 @ 7:00 pm
“ I would think those who are constantly wrong are the ones who populate the distant planet.”
Comment by Suzie — February 5, 2012 @ 12:59 pm
True dat, true dat…
Men are from Mars, women are from Venus, and you’re undoubtedly from Uranus.
Comment by Steve C — February 5, 2012 @ 7:45 pm
Since the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are humans then it seems appropriate that they should pay taxes at the same rate as mere humans.
Comment by Ron — February 5, 2012 @ 8:14 pm
Since the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are humans then it seems appropriate that they should pay taxes at the same rate as mere humans.
Comment by Ron — February 5, 2012 @ 8:14 pm
Ron,
In fact corporations do pay similar effective rates as humans or the middle class. The average middle class family pays an effective rate of less than 8%.
Of course you have around half the households having zero federal income tax liability and many receiving huge refunds, even far in excess of their withholding or even income, again I guess you could say the same with many corporations.
See there are many similarities.
Comment by Big Momma — February 5, 2012 @ 10:27 pm
Ron, of course, corporate profits are at a record high.
LOL. Corporate profits aren’t even close to a ‘record high’. Dan continues to make stuff up.
Comment by Suzie — February 6, 2012 @ 7:51 am
I’m still waiting for Ron to tell us why he thinks corporations are paying “the lowest percentage.ever” Is he imply they’re cheating now?
Explain, Ron. This ought to be good.
I suspect we’ll hear silence.
Comment by Suzie — February 6, 2012 @ 7:54 am
Corporations have had some of the highest profits in years under Obama.
Big whoop. So this is the best of three horrible years. LOL.
Comment by Suzie — February 6, 2012 @ 7:57 am
Excuse me, are we supposed to be reassured by the fact that corporations making billions of dollars pay the same tax rate as someone making 50-75K? Really? Is equitable treatment really that foreign a concept?
I know that some of you will never get over your jealousy of the working poor getting an “earned income tax credit”. But there has to be some incentive for those burger flippers and cleaning ladies to keep them working at poverty level wages full time. Many are smart and use that money to support themselves and care for their families. The fact that some will squander it and be back to struggling in a week is not the fault of the government. The DAV, Skyline Cleaners, Burger-King and Molly Maid et al, NEED people in those jobs.
Comment by Sandi Saunders — February 6, 2012 @ 8:25 am
Corporate tax rates are low because corporations have paid Congress to include favorable provisions in the tax code.
By the way Big Momma according to the IRS the average individual tax in 2010 was just below 12%
I willing to go along with a lower corporate tax rate. Just eliminate all the favorable treatment of income included in the code. You want a flat tax for individuals that’s fine with me. Just treat all income, from whatever source the same. No deductions.
Comment by Ron — February 6, 2012 @ 8:50 am
LOL. Corporate profits aren’t even close to a ‘record high’. Dan continues to make stuff up.
Comment by Suzie — February 6, 2012 @ 7:51 am
Suzie Q,
As much as I wish not to feed the beast, you really should read the article below from the Wall Street Journal before you make such stupid remarks.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/corporate-profits-share-of-pie-most-in-60-years-2011-07-29
Comment by Ron — February 6, 2012 @ 8:59 am
Ron, I think Suzie is hinting that her corporate titan hubby’s biz (if it exists) is on the ropes financially. What is true for her must be true for the universe, from her twisted perspective.
Comment by Dan Casey — February 6, 2012 @ 9:19 am
#86 Ron, do you trust those commie liberals at the WSJ?
I’m taking bets as to whether troll suzie just ignores your comment or comes up with some outrageous lying twist of the facts.
Comment by gdad — February 6, 2012 @ 9:23 am
Yes Suzie, I am sure you “suspect we’ll hear silence”. BUT I imagine Ron can tell you “why he thinks corporations are paying “the lowest percentage.ever” because he read it in the WSJ.
And yes, it is pretty “good”
“With Tax Break, Corporate Rate Is Lowest in Decades”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204662204577199492233215330.html
Comment by Sandi Saunders — February 6, 2012 @ 10:30 am
#68 And of course dave’s not complaining about their comments because, unlike the comments you insert into contest threads, theirs aren’t made for the sole purpose of provoking a reaction to further feed their egos or to start an all-out war that ruins the contest.
See the difference, troll girl?
Comment by gdad — February 6, 2012 @ 10:34 am
#90 That’s true Gdad, but I made my comment this morning about contest entries on there only because we can’t scream at one person about it and let others go. Fair is fair. That being said, Chip Woodrum and 13 Suns are relatively new on here and don’t know the rules Dan set down about the contest.
As for the contest, Elena’s entry this morning is hilarious!
Comment by Debbie — February 6, 2012 @ 12:00 pm
I got Captcha’d so I’ll try to remember my brilliance that vanished.
Let’s have some accountability and justice. I think that attempted suicide should be a crime punishable by death if convicted.
Why should mi-i get all the attention?
booya
p.s.- loved the Superbowl, the team with the most points won again.
Comment by Jeffrey King — February 6, 2012 @ 12:21 pm
By the way Big Momma according to the IRS the average individual tax in 2010 was just below 12%
I willing to go along with a lower corporate tax rate. Just eliminate all the favorable treatment of income included in the code. You want a flat tax for individuals that’s fine with me. Just treat all income, from whatever source the same. No deductions.
Comment by Ron — February 6, 2012 @ 8:50 am
Ron,
By the way I don’t dispute your figure. You are giving the average effective rate for individuals, I was stating the average effective rate for middle class families.
You posted”You want a flat tax for individuals that’s fine with me.”
I don’t know if that was a general “you” or specific to me, but I guess I could go for the flatter tax system.
I definitely agree most deductions and credits should be eliminated and the tax system should be simplified for corporations and individuals alike. I also believe many not-for-profits shouldn’t be such, because there are many that are not operated as such.
Comment by Big Momma — February 6, 2012 @ 6:42 pm
Big Momma, you did not reference your source so it does make for some confusion as there are competing outlooks to be found.
“The Middle Class Does Bear the Tax Burden”
http://www.economics-finance.org/jefe/econ/Allenpaper2.pdf
“Introducing the Effective Marginal Tax Rate in Introductory Macroeconomics”
Comment by Sandi Saunders — February 6, 2012 @ 7:10 pm
Corporate tax rates are low because corporations have paid Congress to include favorable provisions in the tax code.
Really? So you’re saying Congress passed a law sometime during the past five years (while Democrats controlled at least 2/3 of the branches) that resulted in these lower corporate tax breaks? Interesting.
Comment by Suzie — February 6, 2012 @ 7:11 pm
Ron, I think Suzie is hinting that her corporate titan hubby’s biz (if it exists) is on the ropes financially. What is true for her must be true for the universe, from her twisted perspective.
Interesting that Dan writes unsubstantiated crap about our company, but trashes any comments which speculate about any of the liberal bloggers.
Two standards.
Comment by Suzie — February 6, 2012 @ 7:13 pm
#96 “Two standards.”
Aww, poor baby. We feel so sorry for you. Tell you what, if you just left your feelings wouldn’t get hurt so much.
Comment by gdad — February 7, 2012 @ 8:35 am
Let me guess, your “two standards” are when you, hiding in the safety of anonymity, seek to denigrate, demean and distort things related to the work of folks with no such “safe haven”? That is perhaps the “two standards” you speak of?
Comment by Sandi Saunders — February 7, 2012 @ 10:18 am
#85 Ron wrote,”Corporate tax rates are low because corporations have paid Congress to include favorable provisions in the tax code.”
Why do you want more government if you believe that the government we have sell favors to the powerful? Doesn’t more government mean more corruption?
Comment by VRWC — February 7, 2012 @ 1:22 pm
Which one of us has said we want “more government”, Vast Right Wing…? That is your meme, it has never been ours. We like efficiency, fairness and sufficiency. We have not advocated for “more government”, not a one of us. BTW, who was the last GOP President to give you any of that “less government”?
Comment by Sandi Saunders — February 7, 2012 @ 1:50 pm
VRWC,
The size of an organization doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with how corrupt it is, or it isn’t. The Mafia is smaller than the U.S. government. Does that mean it’s less corrupt?
Comment by Dan Casey — February 7, 2012 @ 2:12 pm
VRWC,
I just got caught by the captcha code that I entered correctly. Nonetheless, I think it is a stretch to assume that my comments about the corporate tax rate mean I think we need more government.
The current tax code, both corporate and individual, is a conglomeration of rules created over time by one special interest or another. The Health Care Reform Act is what it is because the various special interests spent $3 to $4 billion on Congress to make sure their little piece of the pie was included or protected. Think about how we got the mortgage interest deduction or various other deductions that corporations use to lower the stated corporate tax rate from 35% to an average of around 12%. Think about how Mitt Romney can lower his effective tax rate from 35% to 15%. Think about the bureaucracy created to monitor all those deductions and modifications in the code from one year to the next. I strongly support a major simplification of the individual and corporate tax codes to make them more transparent and fair. Corporations have to hire very expensive accountants to figure out how to maximize their deductions as do individuals. Our IRS bureaucracy would be much smaller with a simplified tax code.
But that isn’t the only challenge. Right now we owe somewhere between $14 & 15 trillion and that will increase to around $20 trillion before we can make much of a dent in it. Discretionary spending in the federal budget totals around 12 or 14% of the total. Cut it all and you still make very little progress on reducing the federal debt. Part of the debt is money owed to the Social Security Trust Fund. In order to restore its solvency we have to pay that back. The economists I read and believe in tell me that you can’t do what needs to be done without increasing revenues. Those economists also indicate that it will be years before our GDP growth is sufficient to increase revenue based on economic growth. It’s not a democrat or a republican problem. It’s our problem.
My visit to Washington last week did little to convince me that things will get better anytime soon. It is paralyzed because both sides believe it is their way or the highway. No one is seeking the common sense middle way out of our difficulty.
It is not my nature to be pessimistic, but that’s where I am right now. We really need to clean house on both sides of the aisle and almost start over. Unfortunately, none of the folks I see running right now are any better than those already there. Good luck with that.
Comment by Ron — February 7, 2012 @ 2:37 pm
VRWC , so you don’t believe in more government, but do you favor government in a woman’s uterus like the rest of the RWers on this blog? or should government dictate what goes on in a “man’s castle” – specifically in the bedroom? Where is the line for expansion of governmental intrusion?
or is it the double standard of no government interference in Corporate boardrooms?
Bedrooms, yes. Boardrooms, no?
Comment by Hillary — February 7, 2012 @ 2:48 pm
#101 Dan, I don’t know if the Mafia is less corrupt, but it’s probably not more corrupt.
#102 Ron, if the middle way is cutting the size of government, I’m with you.
#103 Hillary, I don’t advocate government intrusion anywhere. I believe the drug laws are Draconian (and probably racist), oppose the death penalty, and think government’s main jobs should be infrastructure and defense. AND, it should be DEFENSE, not “nation building.” Other than that, government should make a few common sense rules (don’t steal, don’t kill,etc.), make sure everyone plays within those rules, and then stay out of the way.
Comment by VRWC — February 7, 2012 @ 3:43 pm
#104 …don’t pollute, don’t rig the banking system, don’t build or manufacture products with known defects…
The government is to “provide for the common Defence [sic] and general Welfare of the United States…”
Comment by Hillary — February 7, 2012 @ 5:01 pm
@94 Sandi,
Pick up a WSJ or read some current articles or other readily available current articles.
Your article is from 2006.
Does it occur to you that the effective tax rate when including FICA could be a little lower the past year or so.
Maybe you should get away from just trying to google your point and read every now and then.
The recent average effective tax rate for a middle class family of four is 4-8%.
Comment by Big Momma — February 7, 2012 @ 7:33 pm
If you consider income tax liability alone, the average effective federal tax rate for people with incomes between $40,000 and $50,000, for instance, is just 3.2%, according to Tax Policy Center estimates.
The lowest income families actually have negative average effective tax rates when income tax liability alone is measured.
For families making $50,000 to $75,000, the effective tax rate is 5.7%. From $75,000 to $100,000, it’s 7.2%. And if you make $200,000, it goes up to 9.9%.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/18/news/economy/Romney_effective_tax_rate/index.htm
The numbers change a bit if you look at total income before deductions and tax credits (Adjusted Gross Income), according to another non-partisan group, The Tax Foundation. Here’s how the numbers breakdown using IRS data from 2009 on Adjusted Gross Income for the income groups at issue in this discussion:
- $10 million a year paid 22 percent.
- $1 million to $10 million paid 25 percent.
- $50,000 to $75,000 paid 7 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/fact-check-the-richtheir-secretaries-and-taxes/
Sandi,
Depending on who does the study, each political side can manipulate the numbers to make their view look correct.
Democrats like to compare effective tax rates of someone like Romney, to tax bracket rates for amounts similar to middle class income,however that is incorrect and doesn’t account for deductions, exemptions, credits, etc. and most Americans have no idea what their effective tax rates are.
Comment by Big Momma — February 7, 2012 @ 8:22 pm
Right now we owe somewhere between $14 & 15 trillion and that will increase to around $20 trillion before we can make much of a dent in it. Discretionary spending in the federal budget totals around 12 or 14% of the total. Cut it all and you still make very little progress on reducing the federal debt. Part of the debt is money owed to the Social Security Trust Fund. In order to restore its solvency we have to pay that back…..We really need to clean house on both sides of the aisle and almost start over
Nope. We only need to clean house of Democrats. They’re the ones increasing the deficit like you are lamenting. Look no further than the Tea Party. They’re the ones doing what you say you want.
But in reality, you don’t want what you say you want. You’re a liberal, and you apparently WANT continued deficit spending.
Comment by Suzie — February 7, 2012 @ 9:40 pm
Big Momma, how you decide to take the point I am making is always your choice but the fact remains that those in the actual business of working for a living (the middle class) did pay a higher burden in taxes than those who make their money by investing, and they still do.
Why you insist on comparing Romney’s investment income of 20 million and the appending tax rate with that of a family making 30-75K and the associated tax rate is more than a little telling. How the hell is ANY of that equitable? Why don’t you compare computers and stuffed animals for us. The issue is that investment income is taxed at a lesser rate than labor income and that is wrong. That you think the discussion should center on a family who can manage to make it on 30-50K being comparable to Romney and his 20 million is just startlingly odd.
Comment by Sandi Saunders — February 7, 2012 @ 11:27 pm
I kinda think it’s cute how BM is comparing the tax on Mitt Romney’s passive income with the tax on working middle-class Americans’ ACTIVE incomes.
I hope BM continues this meme. Because it is valuable information for every worker to know how their tax rate for the money they ACTIVELY earn, through labor, compares to the tax rates of the people who, like Mitt, sit back and PASSIVELY rake income off their investments.
Big Momma, please post more about this!
Comment by Dan Casey — February 8, 2012 @ 1:37 am
@109 Sandi,
You questioned a post of mine regarding the average effective income tax rates of middle class families being between 4-8% and was less than the corporate average or the wealthy such as Romney.
You requested a source.I provided you with the sources.
Then you make a post arguing the right and wrong of tax burdens and the right and wrongs of the way income is taxed. I never argued any point either way.
My argument and what you questioned was that it is incorrect to state the wealthy or corporations on average pay a lower effective income tax rate than an average middle class family.
Comment by Big Momma — February 8, 2012 @ 7:42 pm
@110 Dan,
I find much joy in the cuteness you find in my posts. I too find a cuteness in your post, I find it cute how you must capitalize in an attempt to add effectiveness to your posts.
I absolutely agree that the every worker should know how much they pay in taxes and their effective tax rate. As I said most Americans have know idea what their effective tax rate is and simply take their annual salary and match it to a tax table. That leads many to falsely believe they pay a higher effective rate than people like Romney. That misunderstanding also allows certain media outlets to cast out the idea the millionaires pay a lower effective rate than the middle class.
I never argued right or wrong the difference in earned vs passive income tax rates, but then again I realize you don’t really care.
Comment by Big Momma — February 8, 2012 @ 7:54 pm