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Sunday, May 26, 2013
THE ROANOKE TIMES
Having just returned from driving through some northern states, I have to wonder why the price of gas in Virginia is so high? For example, NJ does not allow you to pump your own fuel, so a hired hand does it for you , adding to the pump price. Additionally, NJ has some of the highest and most regressive taxation in the US – including a high fuel tax. My question is, why then is the gas in VA higher than in NJ? In New Jersey the pump price was $3.50 to $3.56 gallon – in Virginia, average price is $3.79 with a limited fuel tax, and we pump our own. What’s up with this disparity? It seems Virginians are being mightily ripped off.
Obama is a disaster.
“National Debt has increased MORE under Obama (in 3 years) than under Bush (in 8 years)”
“(CBS News) The National Debt has now increased more during President Obama’s three years and two months in office than it did during 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency.
The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/
OOOOOOF!
Now, THAT is A punch to the gut.
America needs a regime CHANGE to regain HOPE.
Must see movie that brings light to the “right to choose”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I_9l7lEe-AA
http://octoberbabymovie.net
LC,
Just curious, but if if you analyzed the facts carefully and upon that analysis came to the conclusion that government spending under Obama has grown at a slower rate than under George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan or Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon, would that change your mind about Obama?
Thought not!
In perhaps a sad attempt at bringing some humor to this blog please see the announcement below.
Larry LaPrise, the man who wrote “The Hokey Pokey”, died peacefully at age 93.
The most traumatic part for his family was getting him into the coffin.
They put his left leg in. And then the trouble started. RIP Larry.
LC, are you sure you aren’t John R?
Obama is a disaster.
Lake, you racist you
I’m a newbie. Who’s John R ?
No worries Lake Claytor, nothing a few more tax breaks and incentives to the wealthy won’t fix! You spent 8 long hard years not noticing or caring, so don’t over do on the hate now. You cannot pretend Obama has been President in anything remotely resembling normal times or a normal economy. Well, you can, and you do, but that is just because your hate has blinded you to reality. Can you possibly be dumb enough to think two long term war fronts and two tax reductions have nothing to do with the debt, deficit and economy now?
LC doesn’t know, or won’t admit, that deficits usually rise during economic downturns, as the sources of government revenue decrease, in direct porportion to the severity of the downturn. The economic recession that began before the current administration’s tenure has been more severe than any since the 1930′s, thus the impact on the deficit has been worse as well.
Now, shall we talk about the rise in deficits that occured during a period of economic expansion, as a result of elective spending increases and excessive tax cuts, during the 1980′s?
But that’s our Lake Claytor, positioning himself as usual for only one of two possible descriptions: dishonest or ignorant.
We had a tornado drill today. Safe to say I failed.
As usual..Sandi can drive
3 nails at once..never missing.
Salute
Look, suzie, look!!! Americans for Prosperity will be BUSING folks into DC for their March 27 rally:
http://americansforprosperity.org/handsoff/#s3
Oh, crap, I forgot that only liberal causes do that. Must be a fake AFP website. That’s the ticket.
Thanks for the laugh Ron! I formed a mental picture…
Yes Warren,
Both of the above..
LC either doesnt have the tools,
or arent sharp enough to adequately
address his subterranean position.
#11 I passed.
Can we have a contest guessing what Santorum and Romney’s SS code names are?
Ron! Thanks, that was most amusing. Kristen, I failed to panic during the tornado drill today. I actually failed to do anything more than turn to a co-worker and say “what’s that annoying noise?” So, you are not alone.
Warren, you just make me happy!
Ron that was very funny! Thanks for the last laugh Larry LaPrise!
4. Dan I agree.
10. Warren, You are so right.. Since 2007 the US gov’t revenue has been down 3.1 trillion in revenue. Bush’s last deficit in 2008 was $500 billion. That means that if Obama did nothing the increase in deficit would have been $3.6 trillion. But we also have to add in the trillion dollars of war spending that Bush never budgeted but Obama did. That puts the deficit at $4.6 trillion without Obama doing anything. Using LC’s 4.939 trillion increase, it seems that any increase under Obama is easily accounted for by the Bush recession and war spending. That does not even account for the additional costs from the Bush Drug plan and medicare, medicaid, and baby boomers retiring.
The RW has made up lie after lie when in fact, Obama has turned the economy around, US revenue is expected to be 5.1 trillion in 2012 vs 3.6 trillion in 2009. The high was in 2007 of only 5.2 trillion. He has cut the rate of spending and actually cut many areas of spending to control the deficit in spite of the lost revenue.
“in direct porportion”
Porportion?
That’s a new one.
Thanks Warren!
——
Speaking of dishonest and ignorant, none of you folks want to talk about the absurd ballooning cost of ObamaCare.
It’s already nearly DOUBLED, per the CBO.
Yet another lie in Obama’s cap? Or is Obama inept…ignorant? I think it’s probably both. The guy is the LEAST qualified President of the past 100 years. He was given a pass.
Why should we expect anything more?
How could we?
—-
Last,
Whats up with his daughter going to Mexico? Seems a little dangerous. Not very responsible parenting.
Why are some in the media covering it up?
Weird.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/03/media-scrubs-malia-obamamexico-story-117970.html
I’m sure we’re all stunned that Romney is lying all the way around about the light bulb thing:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romneys-misfire-on-light-bulb-standards/2012/03/19/gIQAGzk3NS_blog.html
Re: ObamaCare
Is anyone surprised by this?
“ObamaCare’s Flawed Economic Foundations”
“The insurance mandate has almost NOTHING to do with remedying costs imposed on the system by those without coverage.”
ttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304459804577285991632128670.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
“The individual mandate and Medicaid expansions appear to many to be unconstitutional. They are certainly bad economic policy. When they go, the entire law must fall. The administration built an intricate, balanced policy on a flawed economic foundation. It is up to the Supreme Court to pull it down.”
Obama’s entire stance from the beginning was built on nothing but LIES and deception.
Nearly everything Obama sold us has turned out to be a pile of s—. He is getting called on it.
here’s the link.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304459804577285991632128670.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
Re: Gas Prices.
3.52/gal here in Charlottesville today. It used to be the Sheetz on Peters Creek Road was almost always the cheapest gas in the state. In comparison to the rest of the country, this region is still much much cheaper than most places, save for South Carolina, and Wyoming. On the whole of virginia though, The Roanoke area still enjoys the cheapest gas in the state.
Also, we have to remember, that different parts of the country are using different types of gasoline with different refining techniques to meet different state laws. City areas almost always have to have special formula gasoline that is more ozone friendly.
The difference is in large part due to tax rates on the fuel, but also cost to deliver from the distributors and such. Hence why Gas in Hawai’i has a median price of over $4.50/gal. Gas in Bethel Alaska is over $6/gallon, and short of the prices they charge at airports/car rental places, that’s the most expensive I could find.
So actually, it’s probably a good idea to be thankful it only costs ~$50 to fill a tank around here, when it could cost $100.
As for the attendants in NJ… I’m pretty sure that by now their salaries are subsidized by now.
LC, would you care to guess the name of the president in the past half-century under whom government spending grew at the fastest rate?
Have you ever wondered what journalists do?
MSNBC Contributor and Mother Jones’ Washington Bureau Chief David Corn wrote a book entitled “Showdown: The Inside Story of How Obama Fought Back Against Boehner, Cantor, and the Tea Party”.
Woodward and Bernstein better watch out. (snicker)
“I’m sure we’re all stunned that Romney is lying all the way around about the light bulb thing:’”
Hey! gdad’s a freeper.
#27 You mean journalists write things, Henry? Surprise, surprise.
Save up and you too could go to Mexico, LC. Of course, not with the full contingent of security the president’s family commands, so it might be a little more “dangerous” for you.
OBAMA 2012!!!
Kristen, their SS names are out:
Romney is javelin
Santorum is petrus
@29 Gdad, perhaps they only type things now. Maybe there are still some who actually write things. I bet some others sit around and think of things and then have other folks type and/or write them. Weird, huh?
No, I never wonder “what journalists do”. I have more than enough trying to keep up with the lying, parroting, agenda peddling TP/GOP.
#8 I was mostly kidding, yupbilly, although they are similar in some ways. John R is a regular Obama critic on the Roundtable blog who is often the first or one of the first posters on daily threads (he’s sworn off posting for Lent). He inevitably posts something random about Obama, often from a highly biased source and often just part of the story or twisted around so that it fits his agenda. I actually know who John R is because one time he posted his whole name, which was a fairly recognizable one.
#32 Very weird, Miriam. We need to do something about all that writing, and thinking, and typing and stuff.
BillPerdue, bummer. I was hoping to make up my own.
I’d see Romney more as the Petrus type.
LC – The Health Care Act has not even been fully implemented. The cost savings do not take full affect until 2014 with implementation. However, we do have Congress raising medicare reimbursements rather than having the law take affect since the doctors and hospitals complained. We do have medical costs and insurance not affected by the Health Care Act continuing to increase. Thankfully the Act will be fully implemented in 2014 and will begin slowing the growth of nedical costs in the US. Of course, there is no question that a single payer system would be much better than a private insurance act like the one we no have, but the GOP would not go along. Any problems with the Health Care Act can be laid at the feet of the GOP for their failure to participate in writing the best act possible.
LC – you sound like a beaten man today. Is the Rke Times article on the VA Polls getting you down? Why so frustrated? You seem to be running out of things to say about Obama and are having to reach back to health care when there is no question, Obama passed the best bill possible with the Congress he had and fulfilled the demand the citizens had for improvement in health care. The citizens elected him to change health care from the abusmal system we had and he has kept his pledge. Only fools want to go back to the gouging by the insurance companies and the medical system we had before Obama.
LC, a temperate interpretation would readily suggest that I typed too fast and transposed two letters, resulting in “porportion” (sic) instead of “proportion”. But if one’s need is to avoid the substantive point of a post, a more useful and aggresive technique is to seize on the least charitable reading, as perhaps your understanding of Jesus’ teachings allows you to do.
Despite your glaring avoidance of the substantive portions of my post and others, perhaps you can at the least understand this: The Healthcare Reform Act has cost very little so far, as implementation of the main financial parts has yet to occur. So your hysterically shrieking about “the…ballooning cost of ObamaCare” just shows you as untethered from the facts.
By the way, Dan asked you a very straightforward question in #26. Either man up and answer him, or tell us: what would Jesus ignore?
Typo: aggressive
RUN WITH IT, LAKE!!!!
Lake Claytor, if anyone wanted to talk about a big steaming “pile of s—” as it relates to messing up this nation, they will need to go back a few Republican administrations and frankly the work has been done and the analysis does not favor the TP/GOP. Imagine that.
http://presimetrics.com/?p=601
“Before I begin, a quick recap… both the 1901 – 1928 period and the 1929 – 1940 failed to show the textbook relationship between taxes and growth. In fact, it seems that for both those periods, there was at least a bit of support for the notion that growth was faster in periods of rising tax rates than in periods when tax rates were coming down. It is worth noting that growth from 1933 to 1940 was generally quite a bit faster than at any other peacetime period since data has been available, both on average and for individual years. Not remotely what people believe, but that’s what it is.”
The “flawed economic foundations” are not Obama’s.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/the-origin-of-modern-republican-fiscal-policy/
“In 1976, the journalist Jude Wanniski wrote an essay, “Taxes and a Two-Santa Theory,” little noticed at the time and virtually unknown today, that put forward a theory that has had extraordinary influence on the Republican Party. Indeed, virtually everything Republicans say about taxes and spending today echoes that theory.“
Kristen
You could make up your own anyway!
Personally I think Romney should be Flipper. And Santorum could be Trojan.
“Dumb” and “Dumber” would have been more believable. As an American Democrat I am happy with the candidates put forth from the GOP but if I were a Republican I would be furious that in this time of peril and turmoil, division and strife, this is the human refuse you have to work with and try to support. Unconscionable.
26
Dan,
This is 2012.
Obama is driving us off a cliff.
Obama is the one that is going to be held accountable.
Obama’s lies won’t hold up this fall. He has a dismal record now.
Dear Pwesident Obama
My name is Petey and I am 6 yrs old. I heaw you gives us anyfing we want. You is wike tha new Santa! When I gets olda, pleez give me a job and fwee doctows and medicene. I dont want to have to twy hawd at anyfing so I wike you a wot!
Fank you,
Petey
Kristen that would have been a fun contest. Great idea. I wonder how the SS comes up with the names.
The woman hating Virginia GOP is having exactly the effect we predicted it would…Obama’s widening his lead against Romney here. The electorate is finding out what happens when republicans have unfettered power, and reacting accordingly. They couldn’t have picked a better year to dig down deep into their nuttiness.
Classy guy.
“Obama Still Lying About Mother’s Health Insurance Problem”
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/03/19/obama-nabbed-again-lying-about-mother-health-insurance-problem/
“Last summer, a brief stir was caused when a book published by New York Times reporter Janny Scott uncovered an uncomfortable fact about President Obama: He had been lying about his mother’s health insurance problems.”
@Sandi, when was the last time any major political organization not “lying, parroting, agenda peddling”?
Dan; (Just curious, but if if you analyzed the facts carefully and upon that analysis came to the conclusion that government spending under Obama has grown at a slower rate than under George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan or Gerald Ford or Richard Nixon, would that change your mind about Obama?
Thought not!)
I ask you; If Obama declared himself Supreme Leader for Life of the US and disbanded congress, would you change your mind about Obama?
Thought not!
dave! Perfect!
Well I can’t beat those. Although I might call Romney “Spot”.
LC, I thank you and those like you for Obama’s widening lead here in VA! Keep up the good work….maybe when he wins I’ll buy you a drink.
LC,
You are correct that this is 2012.
You’re incorrect that Obama is driving us off a cliff.
You badly want Obama to be held accountable, I get that. But I don’t think it’s going to happen, at least not for the silly and exceedingly thin garbage you’re desperately trying to push here.
Obama hasn’t told lies. YOU are stretching and distorting to a point that ought to make anyone who cares about bearing “false witness” ashamed.
BTW, the highest rate at which federal spending increased in the past 50 years was under the Nixon/Ford presidency.
Reagan was #2
George W. Bush was #3
Jimmy Carter was #4
George H. W. Bush was #5
Barack Obama was #6
Bill Clinton was #7.
Federal spending since Obama’s inauguration has increased at an annualized rate of 1.4 percent.
Under Ronald Reagan it was 2.6 percent.
RM,
Tell us when Obama declared himself Supreme Leader for life and disbanded Congress.
I thought you couldn’t!
Romney-”Dog on Roof.”
Santorum-”Frothy.”
Dave, “Trojan” is great…lol
Petrus = rock = maybe dumb as a rock?
Re: gas prices:
When I worked at Ft Mead I observed that if you exited off base onto Annapolis Rd (Rt 175) toward the Balt-Wash Parkway that the various brands gas was always 10-20% higher than the same brands were were you to have turned right toward the off base housing of Odenton and Gambrills.
Also observed the following for both segments of the road:
same general price for real estate,
same State and local taxes, and
same labor market.
I assume that the transportation cost to get the gas to the station was the same.
So I have to believe that the price difference had nothing to do with cost.
Can you say “What the market will bear”?
37, 38, 39, 41
LOL.
Ya’ll are so sensitive. Take a deep breath folks. We have a LONG way to go on this.
I can always tell when I’ve hit a sore spot with you folks.
Is it the part about Obama being a fraud who was given a pass at nearly every major juncture in his adult life? Is that the super-sensitive topic for you all?
You guys act like this guy cares about you, personally. He doesn’t.
You all remind me of the “useful idiots” of the Cold War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
“The term was originally used to describe Soviet/Leftist sympathizers in Western countries. The implication is that although the people in question naïvely thought of themselves as an ally of the Soviet Union/Obama, they were actually held in contempt and were being cynically used.
The use of the term in political discourse has since been extended to other propagandists, especially those who are seen to unwittingly support a malignant cause which they naively believe to be a force for good.”
Yep, it fits.
53
Dan, give me a break.
Obama is extraordinarily deceptive. He is either a flat-out liar or he is completely incompetent. I believe him to be both.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/chuck-winder-rape-abortions_n_1366994.html
Yet another republican out getting votes for Obama!
“Pistol Pete says:
Dear Pwesident Obama
My name is Petey and I am 6 yrs old. I heaw you gives us anyfing we want. You is wike tha new Santa! When I gets olda, pleez give me a job and fwee doctows and medicene. I dont want to have to twy hawd at anyfing so I wike you a wot!
Fank you,
Petey
Posted on March 20th, 2012″
If you really know a 6-year old who speaks that way, please try to get him some help from a speech therapist.
Petrus is a high-end wine that fits our Everyman “I know some NASCAR owners” Mitt.
I might call Santorum “google”.
Lake Claytor
What you believe in your wingnut deluded brain and what is true are so far apart that no bridge could ever be built between them becaue the span would be too long. I look forward to the new comment blocking mechanism as well. Losing you, your sister Suzie, and her lapdog pammalala will be one of life’s finest moments. If you ever actually posted something backed up by facts instead of propaganda from Fox entertainment and the Washington Examiner you might get a clue. Your reading and viewing horizon definitely needs to be expanded.
Can you say “What the market will bear”?
Can you say speculation?
So I read the big secret. Malia was on (gasp) a school trip. Omg, wheres DD to respond to this atrocity. 13 year olds on school trips. Where will this madness end??
LC,
The interesting thing about calling someone a “flat-out liar” is that it’s a statement of fact. And it implicitly requires the person passing that judgment to:
1) find quotes from the alleged liar; and
2) explain how those quotes are a 180-degree deviation from the truth.
So have it, LC! Let’s hear your evidence. We’d all love to see it.
The man is 50 years old. Tell us all about the thread of deception that runs through every facet his life, as your justification for calling him a “flat-out liar,” and make sure you prove it with quotes and facts exposing those quotes as lies.
And LC, don’t cite 1 or 2 silly misstatements in 50 years, such as “57 states,” as that justification. It won’t wash. And don’t tell us you know he’s a flat out liar because gas is $4 and Obama promised $2.50. (that was Newt, remember?)
And by the way, LC: have you ever told a lie, in your life? If the answer is yes, do you consider yourself a “flat out liar? ” If you answer to that one is “no,” please explain to the rest of us how Obama IS a “flat-out” liar and you’re NOT one.
(Something tells me LC is going to back off to “extremely incompetent,” which is merely an opinion)
I starting to get excited for name blocking software. Now I’ll be all sad if we don’t get it.
Re: #63
Art,
Please explain what “speculation” has to do with the price of gas at any given time (NOT over an extended period) in the same location / same job market / same governmental taxing jurisdiction, etc.
Dan,
Obama’s entire LIFE “could” be described as one fallacy after another. It’s tragic really. Until you see his willingness to go along.
There’s far too much there, Dan. But, ObamaCare alone is more than sufficient. How many times did Obama say ObamaCare would make coverage less expensive, more accessible?
Not true. Obama either knowingly LIED…or he is an incompetent puppet. Do you remember all the games they played with the numbers to stay under 1 Trillion dollars?
How many times did Obama promise that we could KEEP the plans we have now?
Again, totally false.
I could sit here all night, Dan.
Obama has made his bed. He has governed against the will of the people and deceived us to no end.
Let’s see what happens.
I freely admit I am “sensitive” to people who lie, distort the situation and parrot right wing agenda points that undermine the progress this nation needs to be making. Do you teach your children such creative debate tactics?
“What you believe in your wingnut deluded brain and what is true are so far apart that no bridge could ever be built between them becaue the span would be too long”
Ouch. lol
dave…your like what, 75?
It’s time to grow up.
“I might call Santorum “google”.”
Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!
I was tagged for a Rasmussen political poll and an EPA petition tonight. No worries, right wingers, I did us proud.
23 La“The insurance mandate has almost NOTHING to do with remedying costs imposed on the system by those without coverage.”
No kidding, LC. Maybe that is because it is not supposed to have anything to do with remedying any costs of those without insurance. It is to help the insurance companies cover their additional costs now that they have to cover those with pre-existing conditions. The insurance companies insisted on this provision to spread their additional costs over the addition of all those now insured.
Certainly you knew that, you were merely giving the GOP misinformation.
Just reading this thread makes me realize just how hysterical the goppers are that they understand defeat is inevitable in November. All I read from LC and PP and the neocons are fear, fear fear. They know they have no candidate. The GOP is imploding, and Obama is driving the economy out of the ditch W put us in. All I hear is hate and fear, no answers from the GOP.
Keep on with the fear drum beat goppers. You are headed for EPIC defeats this fall and you brought it on yourself with typical over reach. The heady days after the 2010 election are over. Why you have made social issues over jobs #1 is beyond belief, but you sure did. Yes the American voter has buyers remorse from 2010 and you are about to experience a political wave the likes of which have not been seen in our lifetime. I have no doubt that Obama will win re-election and that the Senate will remain democratic and it is possible that Boehner will be handing over a real big gavel to Mrs Pelosi in January.
The GOP needs top down new leadership and to kick the shit out of the tea baggers from the party or there will be no GOP. That is not a good thing for the US. We need a strong 2 party system and what we have right now from the GOP is pathetic, paranoid, putrid, political puss.
A good butt kicking in November is just what you need to wake up and regain the party from the right wing nuts that do not represent the America Dream. We can only hope the adults in the party take back the Grand Old Party before its to late.
LC,
You’ve failed miserably at proving Obama is “a flat-out liar.” Apparently you cannot do it, kind of like Limabugh can’t prove Sandra Fluke is “a slut” and “a prostitute.” (That’s because she’s not one).
I think there is a lot we do not know about the gas/oil industry and pricing is just one of them. I firmly believe there is a difference in the “quality” of gas from one station to another too. Some stations make a few pennies on a gallon and some subsidize gas to get customers in.
Nicknames for Romney and Santorum? I like the “Flipper” and the “Zipper.” Easy to remember and no chance to get them mixed up…
Sandi, are you suggesting you engaged in misdirection, with the Ras robocaller?
Lake Claytor’s entire effort “could” be described as one fallacy after another. It’s tragic really. Until you see his willingness to go along.
“If you really know a 6-year old who speaks that way, please try to get him some help from a speech therapist.”
I think Pistol Pete would get the child help. Maybe not because he doesn’t want the child to suffer from a speech impediment, but rather because he doesn’t want the child to see his beloved Barney Frank as a role model.
Contrasuzie, you and I are awful. It’s a good thing we don’t hang out together.
.
Oh no Dan, I told the absolute truth, it just was not what Rasmussen wanted to hear. Must be a lot of that going around.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/virginia/election_2012_virginia_presidential_election
Contra….(curtesy)
“I firmly believe there is a difference in the “quality” of gas from one station to another too.”
The biggest of which is just how much the supplier dillutes the gas with ethanol. That 10% ethanol has nothing to do with the environment; it’s a cheaper-per-volume filler that almost all modern cars will seamlessly tolerate in amounts of 10% or less. Of course ethanol burns at a lower air/fuel ratio, so you will get fewer miles to the gallon running the dilluted fuel too. If the ethanol scam had been thought of 20 years ago when there were still a lot of carbureted cars on the road that wouldn’t run well on this modern mix we’re buying, a revolt would already have happened.
Kristen, my Facebook status is now:
Rick Santorum’s Secret Service code name should be ‘Google’.
It’s received 15 likes in 10 minutes. I gave you absolutely no credit whatsoever.
(But I will.)
“Please explain what “speculation” has to do with the price of gas at any given time”
Speculation is the single biggest factor in high gas prices. Other factors include refining, transport, seasonal blends and PLAIN OLD GREED by local suppliers. Stop-In is always 10 cents higher than anyone else and gas is always higher in SW then SE.
There is definitely a difference in the quality of gas from one oil company to another in terms of their pipeline and storage operations.
In pipelines, diffrent products have to be sequenced through the pipeline in a specific order so that one pushes the other through the pipeline. There is a point where the two products meet in the pipeline and mix togehter to some extent. Thus you get diesel fuel, regular gasoline, high test gasoline, kerosene, furnace oil, etc. mixing together for a certain stretch. When product is delivered from a pipeline to a storage tank, the product that is mixed together is pumped off to a separate storage tank called a slop tank. The contents of that slop tank are then reblended in with the regular gasoline that is shipped out to dealers. Different oil companies have different combinations for how they reblend the slop.
And you actually don’t know what proportion of slop you have in your particular tank of gasoline.
LC@8:07
Let’s just say that I am old enough and experienced enough to distinguish actual facts from bulls–t. And in your posts my nose tells me that the BS quotient is extraordinarily high!
Slim Shady, he ain’t!
http://youtu.be/bxch-yi14BE
75
Dan,
Jump through your own hoops. I’m not here to win your favor, or agreement.
Obama reminds me of Elmer Gantry.
I see, so Lake Claytor was all upset about the first daughter taking a school trip. Good job, LC. I sincerely hope you don’t allow your child any school trips.
Story of my life, Contra.
@85- That didn’t explain what speculation has to do with the price of gas.
#83 John W – Excellent points. Also, as any landscaper or farmer will tell you, fuel with 10% ethanol will do your equipment in. The small engine repair guys love the stuff because they get more business on engines that fail or develop problems. Older boats on the lake also have difficulty with the ethanol fuel…
The benefit is only to the supplier who has a greater profit margin… not necessarily to the consumer.
Yes gdad…Malia Obama is I guess the only kid ever to go on a school trip. I don’t know why we let our president get away with such taxpayer money fleecing activities as….sending his kids on school trips! OMG!
Hey LC and DD…you going to admit how idiotic you were about that any time soon? We’re all waiting…(crickets)
#74 Cold n P The defeat of the Republicans in November will not bring them to the realization that they need to redefine themselves away from the Tea Party/Lunatic Fringe of their party. I believe that they will point to Romney as too “liberal” or moderate, and double down on their right wing crazy. Blaming Romney for not being conservative enough – therefore, the losses in November will reignite their belief they have to go even further to the right to win. I do not see any hint of backing off their agenda of dismantling government and environmental protections; increasing tax breaks to the wealthy and corporations; and continuing the war on women’s reproductive rights. Especially worrisome is the mass evacuation of so called “moderate republicans” from their own beliefs or their throwing in the towel and leaving government [think Snowe of Maine].
Let’s hope I am wrong and you are right…
Does anyone else find it strange that Rick Santorum is all about parental rights . . . except he’s gotten all heebie-jeebie about the president’s right to decide what is, and what is not, an appropriate vacation destination for his daughter?
Does Rick know better than Obama what’s best for Obama’s daughter?
And can anyone imagine Obama bothering to opine on where Santorum’s kids should and should not vacation?
I imagine Obama saying..”Santorum who?”
Then he’d have to Google him….
Seriously, does anyone care what Santorum thinks about anything at all? He’s just one of the officers oh the GOP Titanic Ship of Fail.
“Also, as any landscaper or farmer will tell you, fuel with 10% ethanol will do your equipment in. The small engine repair guys love the stuff because they get more business on engines that fail or develop problems. Older boats on the lake also have difficulty with the ethanol fuel…”
I worked for many years in a small engine repair shop and can tell you that is true. Ethanol (and methanol, for that matter) is very corrosive. You can help things by using high octane fuel, but 100% gas is definitely better.
Don’t get me wrong, I do like ethanol, but it requires a more corrosion resistant fuel system and gets fewer miles to the gallon. The upsides beyond actual emissions are that it is cheaper and is about 100 octane in pure form. Racers like that because it allows for a higher compression ratio and, thus, more power potential.
As usual Kristen you are ignorant of the facts. You have to question the judgement of any parent that (1) would let a 13 year old go on spring break without a parent with them and (2) let any child travel to a country that our own State Dept. has travel warnings on:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5665.html
On top of once again wasting the tax payer’s money on another frivolous vacation (oh, that’s right they are just normal folks like us – puke!)
But then one thing we have learned the last 3 years if that Obama has NO judgement abilities at all unless he has a teleprompter in front of him. Anything else I can do for you troll?
#94 & 95 This is the kind of stupidity right wingers are stooping to.
One of the things that people neglect doing with their yard equipment is proper winter storage. When ethanol-blended fuels sit, especially in cold weather, the ethanol will attract water and pollute the fuel as the ethanol degrades. The best course of action is to drain the remaining fuel from tanks and the fuel system to prevent that, but not many people do unless they run the equipment out of fuel before storing. The other is to use a fuel stabilizer/water remover in the fuel, like Sta-Bil. I’ve used that in my mowers and weedeaters the past 4 years with no fuel delivery or combustion problems in any of them…even a 20-year old Craftsman push mower, which continued firing right up on the second pull after the normal start-up priming routine. Newer engines are better designed to handle the semi-corrosive nature of the ethanol blends though, with better materials for gaskets and seals, and fuel lines.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25936782/ns/business-consumer_news/t/mechanics-see-ethanol-damaging-small-engines/
There are a few places around still selling gas without ethanol, might be worth seeking them out.
85. Uptheriver – certainly you, know how speculation in the futures market affects the price of commodities, right?
I find everything about Dick Santorum strange.
Dan, don’t you know that God showed His disapproval of Obama sending his daughter to Mexico with the earthquake yesterday?
no kristen, mexico is, in case you weren’t aware, is a large murder capitol and drug running place, he lets his little girls go there, not a good parental decision.. But then he never has made any good decisions has he..lol
#106 Please quit being such a tool, pammalalapdog.
pammala,
I have no doubt that you believe you’re in a better position to judge what is best for the president’s daughters than either he or his Michelle is. But all that makes you is a run-of-the-mill busybody.
As for Mexico, there are murders and drug-running in parts of it. You could say the same about the United States, too. In fact, Mexico is a large country, and there are no murder rampages and drug-running in MOST of it.
So DD is against kids going on school trips. How surprising. DD, what I get from you is that you’re jealous that a kid got a better vacation than you. Stop whining why don’t you…you sound ridiculous.
Dan – I can’t believe your post to pammala above. Surely you wouldn’t let one of your kids at age 13 travel to Mexico without you or your wife. That’s just insane. I was in Juarez a few years ago, and I can tell you, in the span of about 2 hours, a guy who was supposedly selling rugs in the marketplace motioned me over, lifted up one of the rugs on display to show me a naked woman on a cot, and offered me a ride. I also was approached by two Mexicans selling illegal Marlboro cigarettes out of the trunk of their car, and I saw a car run a stop sign, plow into another car, and sped off. It was like the wild west. Anyone who thinks Mexico is the place for a vacation is nuts!
“is a large murder capitol”
WTH. Honestly pammala, could you be any more stupid.
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To Mexico?
You guys are hilarious.
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Dan,
Would you let YOUR 13 year old daughter go to Mexico on a “school trip”?
@92
I’m not going to do your homework. Read the Forbes link.
pammalapdog, by your ‘logic’, the President and First Lady shouldn’t let their daughters leave the house. Which is something you apparently haven’t done in a long time.
BTW, typing ‘lol’ at the end of your posts is not helping you make your ‘points’ at all.
If pammala and Matt Herring (and Santorum) read the State Dept travel warning for the area where Obama’s daughter is traveling, they would see that it says stay in the tourist areas and be careful.
I get so tired of this horse $/:! rhetoric. I have no problem with honest, factual criticism but this constant of lies is really, really old.
#106 pammala / aka minor ill-informed posted, “in case you weren’t aware, is a large murder capitol and drug running place”
You appear fact challenged so let me help you out:
Recent FBI statistics show the murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants in Baltimore is 43.3, Washington D.C. is 29.1 and Detroit is 47. Mexico, however, which suffered an especially violent year in 2008 [most recently available], recorded a murder rate of about 10 per 100,000. http://livinglakechapala.com/blog/crime-in-the-usa-vs-mexico/
The statistics show that the most deadly violence is happening in northern Mexico close to the U.S. border where smuggling occurs, and in the states where marijuana and heroin are produced. Also:
•The state with the lowest murder rate is Yucatán, the Gulf of Mexico state known for its beaches and Mayan ruins. Its murder rate of 2 per 100,000 was comparable to Wyoming and Montana.
•Washington, D.C.’s murder rate is nearly quadruple that of the Mexican capital, Mexico City. Washington’s murder rate was 31.4 per 100,000 people in 2008; Mexico City’s rate in 2009 was 8. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-08-03-Mexico-drug-violence_N.htm
Matt Herring, your experience in Juarez has little to no bearing on what Obama’s daughter is going to see and do on her visit to Mexico. It’s a big country.
Besides, I would surely allow one of my children, at age 13, to travel to a resort in Mexico for spring vacation, without me or my wife, with Secret Service protection.
I can’t believe your wouldn’t allow that.
So DD goes to some nasty border town like Juarez and decides all of Mexico is like that.
Sometimes I wish these people would travel a little more and learn something, but it’s probably better they stay here.
Spend a little $$ DD and there are plenty of beautiful places in Mexico.
Amen Bill Perdue, Amen!
Reading DD & pammala’s posts about Mexico remind of a family member who chastised me for going to another country on my honeymoon after I told her that we were going to Hawaii. So ignorant.
Likening all of Mexico to one violent section would be the same as having someone visit inner city Detroit and deciding that all of America is nothing but blighted ghetto.
When I was 13, our class trip was to Orlando, sans parents but accompanied by 6 teachers. In high school, there were several class trips to Europe, again sans parents but with teachers. I went to Roanoke City schools, so tax dollars funded our trips. Malia goes to a private school, so the only tax dollars are for her Secret Service protection, which she has wherever she goes.
Give the kid a break. Has anyone bothered to see where the Bush twins when for Spring Break while GWB was in office? Just because a child’s parent is the POTUS, doesn’t mean they should miss out on being a kid.
Lori,
I’m glad you survived all those Hawaiian volcanoes!
To the other folks: seriously, if you’re so afraid, lock yourself in a room or something.
Typical Liberals – none of you are addressing the issue of spending taxpayer’s money to send 25 secret service agents along to protect her butt. I hope the Obama’s get all their dream vacations in the next 8 months, cause the gravy train is going to end.
Does anyone else notice that conservatives care not a whit about mandated-by-law protection for the first family when a Republican is in office — on those occasions it is good and wonderful and all that — but bitch mightily about it when a Democrat is in the White House?
I know of no liberal on this blog who has ever complained about SS protection for a Republican first family. So we know who the hypocrites are.
Oh yeah Dan, we notice. The apoplectic histrionics of the hypocrites is telling indeed. Get used to it Dublin Dawg Matt Herring, Obama 2012!
#123 Matt Herring posted “addressing the issue of spending taxpayer’s money to send 25 secret service agents along to protect…”
You evidently have a short memory – the SS did nothing but chase after the Bush twins in their bar hopping and try to get them safely home after many drinks and bad behavior…
In the book, “Bush’s Law”, New York Times reporter Eric Lichtblau wrote that the Secret Service worked with Mexican government agents to help a 19-year-old Jenna Bush go on a bar-hopping trip south of the border. If you wish to read about their escapades in and out of the country, read the excerpts here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=_4i6UE5yBkcC&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=jenna+bush+bush%27s+law+lichtblau+corona+club+in+ciudad+acuna+drinking+jaunt&source=bl&ots=397tSscBh0&sig=f2-YiCntsKGGQAcI0DHMZ4n_CYw&hl=en&ei=S5VkSob0F4-6NvDW-fcB&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q&f=false
So, while all of her classmates went on the trip, she supposed to stay home, is that what you’re saying Matt Herring?
Hillary,
I believe it was fine for the SS to spend money following the Bush twins around. They were part of the first family, after all. Matt actually agrees with me on this (it may be the only time ever).
Where we disagree is regarding Obama’s daughters. Matt believes it is not fine for the SS to follow them around.
Of course they are younger than the Bush twins. And they don’t drink (the Bush twins drank like they had hollow legs). Perhaps that makes a difference in Matt’s mind — it’;s possible he believes only alcohol-abusing presidential offspring deserve taxpayer-sponsored protection.
Other than that, I can’t think of any differences whatsoever between Bush’s children and Obama’s.
Oh, wait . . .
Dan
The difference is that Democrats could care less about penny pinching on the security of the first families – whether Democratic or Republican – but it is typical of the pettiness of the right who whine and moan about protecting the Obama family. As always, they show their hypocrisy…everything is an issue, whether its the use of teleprompters, vacations, or now, the cost of Secret Service. Never a word about the expense of two wars under the Bush administration – one of which was totally unnecessary…ugh.
Hillary, I think Matt sees a different difference between the Obama girls and the Bush twins.
“both of which were totally unnecessary”
Fixed it for you.
Re: #86
Dave,
http://tinyurl.com/6r7v8yq
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A pig is a device inserted into a pipeline which travels freely through it, driven by the product flow to do a specific task within the pipeline. These tasks fall into a number of different areas: (a) Utility pigs which perform a function such as cleaning, separating products in-line or dewatering the line;
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Yep, there’s a different difference.
Re: A number of comments about what a parent will allow their children to do.
Brings back a story from my days with young kids.
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My oldest daughter had just gotten her regular Drivers License (at 16 yo, IIRC.)
We were letting her drive alone from the Ft Meade, MD area to just north of Harrisburg, PA — for a weekend.
A neighbor (also, friend up to this incident) showed at our front door. I answered. She started right in berating me because we were letting our daughter drive up there, go to a dance, and spent the night.
I assumed, incorrectly, that she misunderstood the situation, was jumping to some unfounded conclusions, and had some moral issue bugging her.
So, I started to explain:
1) My daughter was going to the home of a good and trusted friend of the family — who my wife and I knew quite well.
2) She and their son were going to a school sponsored and chaperoned dance.
Before I could go into more detail she interrupted with something like, “I don’t give a *&^%$#@ about chaperones or who she is staying with….”
Turns out that her complaint was that her daughter was now using my daughter’s driving out of state in the classic “Why can’t I, if [someone else] is….”
I politely showed her to the door with, “I know what I can trust my daughter to handle. I’ll not limiting her by what you think of your daughter’s (maturate, abilities, trustworthiness or some word such as that).
She never spoke to me or my wife again.
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And. BTW, my daughter didn’t have a good size contingent of well informed on the local situation, well equipped, highly trained, highly dedicated, etc SS bodyguards.
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Dave Hicks,
Good riddance to that busybody. (pammlalala, are you listening?)
Dave Hicks,
Man, do I hate nosy people! It would have been very difficult for me to be polite with her. Rest assured, she has that problem with everyone else, too. This girl has a tattoo, that girl got a piercing, but why is her cerfew 1:00am and mine midnight….. wahhhh, wahhhh, wahhhh. Perhaps if she tried to learn from you, she might have a more responsible daughter. Or, worse yet, the daughter is that responsible and has to put up with that insufferable, overbearing mom. Yikes.
Interesting that I have not seen a thing about the cost of SS to protect Rick Santorum even though he does not stand a chance in hell of getting the nomination. I mean speaking of wated taxpayer money.
137 wated=wasted
I believe Rick Santorum deserves SS protection. Remember Bobby Kennedy. . .
Fortunately he’s not going to get elected…we can’t afford SS protection for all of his kids.
But guys, remember that Scott Brown ( and Conan) both summed up Santorum’s request for secret servfice protection. “It is the first time in his life Santorum has ever used protection!”
And Dan, you are right. In today’s climate of violence with over a quarter of a billion guns floating around the US , many of them in the hands of people like C ho, Zimmerman, the various school and mass shooters, , every Presidential candidate deserves and should have SS protection.
139. Dan, of course I agree that Rick deserves protection as does Obama’s daughters. I was pointing out that Matt and others complaining about her school trip as well as Obama’s campaign dinners costing taxpayer’s money for SS is ridiculous. This is the Nation we live in with nuts everywhere. The Obama’s have had threats against them since they started running for President. I was pointing out that the RWers here should be concerned with spending taxpayer’s money on someone who will not be the nominee and perhaps should be encouraging him to bow out if they are that worried about money. But since he is their, pick do not. Their comments appear highly hypocritical.
As for the school trip, apparently it is a highly successful foreign relationship boost having the President’s daughter travel to Mexico. The Mexian Gov’t is most pleased.
I just wonder if Moochele’s mother, her friends and cadre of hangers-on all get SS protection on their extravagant taxpayer-funded trips. They remind me of Michael Vick’s posse living it up and soaking him into bankruptcy. Except the government is financing the 0bama posse, and it has much deeper pockets.
143.”I just wonder if Moochele’s mother, her friends and cadre of hangers-on all get SS protection on their extravagant taxpayer-funded trips. They remind me of Michael Vick’s posse living it up and soaking him into bankruptcy. Except the government is financing the 0bama posse, and it has much deeper pockets.”
Yes, the Obamas do endlessly spend and waste our money in shameless ways. I doubt they’re into dog fighting, though.