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Sunday, May 19, 2013
THE ROANOKE TIMES
I just received an unsolicited resume, here is the complete cover letter from an MBA.
Hi
I am waiting to bring in my fiancee from Moscow, Russia so that we can be
married. She is poor and has no car having to ride the bus home from work late at night. She is afraid of being raped. I owe $5,000 on my credit cards. My grade point average is 3.6.1 can e-mail you my transcripts.
One of the best I’ve ever received and obviously has a lot on his mind.
When I first heard the president talking about the Supreme Court yesterday..I thought..This Joker is trying to intimidate the Justices!!!
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/219633-gop-congressman-warns-obama-not-to-intimidate-supreme-court-on-healthcare-decision-
@2 PP, I thought that was a poor choice as well (Obama making such bold declarations regarding a pending matter before the Supremes).
Oh yeah, what can he do to them Pistol Pete? Who is appointed for life, him or the SCOTUS? Telling his side and explaining why they might not be idiots is not intimidation. Unless you are willing to admit that anti-abortion protests outside of Planned Parenthood is intimidation, and speaking against a referendum or “UN plot” before council is intimidation. Oh that’s right, silly me, right wingers would never try to intimidate anyone. After all, you all “came unarmed…this time”.
I heard what Obama said and it sounded quite reasonable. It was in response to a question, and he said he believed the court would uphold that law and he gave the reasons he believes that.
What should he have said, PP? That he believes the court will shoot down the law?
It seems like you’re upset with the president for not giving the answer you would have wished he gave.
Monkey Boy actually said the notion of SCOTUS shooting down a law passed by Congress was unprecedented and would amount to judicial activism. His minions are nodding in agreement.
So I guess this “Constitutional lawyer” is saying anything Congress passes has to be constitutional because Congress passed it.
I am SO glad this moron will be history in a few months.
He was a con law professor. USSC justices are appointed for life. Obviously if he thought going in that the law was unconstitutional he wouldn’t have bothered, because it was obviously going to be challenged. I don’t see the problem, sorry. They asked, he anwered.
It’s his law…what would anyone expect him to say.
Mrs. Romney on a radio show, rebutting claims that her husband is “stiff.” She replied, “I guess we better unzip him and let the real Mitt Romney out.”
I am happy to report, that The Boss still has it. Springsteen was phenomenal. I hope I have half the energy and stamina he has by the time I’m his age. He ran across the stage with some 11 year old kid and did his trademark slide, then picked the kid up and carried him all the way back across the stage while running, then blasted back into song.
3 and a half hours of amazing music.
Obviously if he thought going in that the law was unconstitutional he wouldn’t have bothered
Laughing pretty hard at the idea of socialists giving a crap about what’s constitutional and what isn’t.
Another indicator of American “exceptionalism: -
“Over the last 30 years, the U.S. has made no progress whatsoever in increasing college graduation rates.
To be specific, 25-34 year olds in 2009 had a college degree rate of about 40%, almost exactly the same as for 55-64 year old baby boomers… what we see is that almost every other nation is becoming more educated, but we’re not — and, of course, slipping rapidly down the rankings.
In the meantime, other industrialized countries were racking up substantial gains, most spectacularly in the case of South Korea where a little over 10% of 55-64 year olds have college degrees, but more than 60% in the 25-34 age group do.
And yes, affordability is surely the biggest single reason for our slide. So of course, the GOP wants to make the affordability problem worse.”
To see the graph of this decline and the full article go here:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/30/we-dont-need-no-education/
I realize the leftwingers here probably aren’t real big on fitness or road racing –but a reminder– we will NOT be supporting the Susan G. Komen race for the cure on April 14 downtown, because we do NOT give our blessing to that organization giving money to the abortion mill called Planned Parenthood.
The Times’ Mark Taylor published a list of upcoming races in last Thursday’s edition. I see at least three other races scheduled for that day. Any would be a preferable alernativeive. It’s a shame Komen has decided to go political, but they made their decision — and we have made ours.
Let’s our little blog make a statement April 14 and stay away. Dan won’t be racing. Let’s follow his example. If we speak as one voice and hit the baby-killers in the pocketbook, we can make a big difference.
“…the prospect of judges’ striking down commercial regulation on ill-defined and subjective bases is a prescription for economic chaos that the framers, in a simpler time, had the good sense to head off.
…if courts read the Constitution in such a way that it enables them to make Congress ineffectual, and instead to promote 50 state regulatory regimes in an era of rapidly mounting global challenges, the risks should escape no one. Making our charter more parochial while other nations flex their economic muscle seems like poor timing.”
Who is he threatening?
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/13/442497/bush-scotus-finalist-striking-down-health-reform-is-a-prescription-for-economic-chaos/
“Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson, an influential conservative who has one of President George W. Bush’s five finalists for the Supreme Court nomination that eventually went to Chief Justice Roberts”
@6: What part of your Christian doctrine allows you to be such a racist — towards our president no less?
RJB@10:21
That just gave me a flashback. I thought I was reading the credentials
of Sarah Palin and/or Michelle Bachmann!
Gonna have to diverge from the left leaning gang on this one. While I didn’t realize President Obama was responding to a direct question, I still believe that the most appropriate response would have been to say that the government’s case had been made before the Supremes and that the matter was in their hands now. He is in too unique of a position to be able to sway either public opinion or lend pressure on the judiciary to make remarks about what is essentially pending litigation. I just believe it would have been a stronger position to place his faith in the process.
Hillary,
Haven’t you heard the RWer talking points on colleges? They are bastions of liberal indoctrination that children are better of staying away from. Rick Santorum is only the most recent to voice this opinion. (And then he said none of the campuses of the University of California teach American history, even though ALL of them except for the UC med school do).
Anyway, the way those folks think, the fewer college grads the better. Some RWers would prefer those young men and women remain unthinking and easy to manipulate. That is exceptionalism to them.
Note Hillary hasn’t and couldn’t respond to my total debunking of her health care spending claims in Saturday’s thread.
My response to this one? If we’re going to put out more engineers, fine. but who the freak cares if we pump out more worthless history, English, or environmental science majors? I’d say we need fewer of those.
“Supreme Court Health Care Reform: Without Mandate, Nightmare Awaits Insurers, Uninsured”
Who are they “intimidating”?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/supreme-court-health-care_n_1385710.html
And then he said none of the campuses of the University of California teach American history, even though ALL of them except for the UC med school do).
Rick is surely correct. I doubt if any of them teach real American history. Probably some weird version of it, like Seneca Falls, NY being a more significant historic site than Gettysburg.
@6: What part of your Christian doctrine allows you to be such a racist — towards our president no less?
I don’t understand. I haven’t made a racist comment about the president OR Obama.
@14 In order to get to the heart of your question Saintbrige, you would actually have to believe that someone who speaks this way truly is a Christian. I’m not thinking so. Are you?
Therefore, Suzie can say whatever it wishes about anything whatsoever since it has not a shread of decency or morality. I guess that must make it a leftwinger after all according to its own definition. And if it is a leftwinger, it must also be a slut by its own definition.
Hilarious.
Was he intimidating the SCOTUS?
http://thehill.com/video/senate/218417-sen-coburn-i-certainly-hope-supreme-court-rules-healthcare-law-unconstitutional-
How about these guys?
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/SCOTUS-ACTIVISM_7654455/SCOTUS-ACTIVISM_7654455/
Expressing an opinion is not intimidation. Unless of course you are do it like Suzie and Pammala.
What makes Obama sound like an idiot is when he tries to make you believe that a law is Constitutional just because your elected Congress voted to make it a law.
Obviously Marbury v. Madison was not part of the curriculum for the classes he taught.
15. Dave-It makes it easier to understand high unemployment and the need for a safety net.
Suz – have hubby lock the keyboard again and take a pill.
Sandi, thanks for pointing out that Wilkinson was a finalist and didn’t get the nod. In other words, pretty pointless to use him as a reference since he wasn’t good enough to be appointed.
Dan, in describing colleges these days, we just need to drop the word “Arts” and keep the word “Liberal”. They take the power of the PhD, and look 18 year old kids in the eye and remind them how stupid they are. After reminding them of their brainlessness, they fill it with Socialist garbage and produce future OWS protesters for our society.
“Some RWers would prefer those young men and women remain unthinking and easy to manipulate.”
Some LWers prefer young men and women to be unthinking, easy to intimidate with peer pressure, and closed minded on gun rights as witnessed yesterday at JMU. It was funny. There were herds of people going through the commons area in orientation tours. If I offered a “Guns Save Lives” sticker to the first person in the pack and they refused, very few of the people in the pack, especially the students WITH their parents, would take them. BUT, when the first person in the pack took one, most all of the rest of the pack did. These were groups of about 50 people or so randomly assembled into tour groups who don’t know one another and I did this with at least ten groups that day and it proved true every time. When the groups weren’t going through and it was individual foot and bicycle traffic, the percentage taking stickers was much higher.
Peer pressure that discourages logic and free thinking is not exclusive to the right wing.
#9 Yes Bruce has a ton of energy. When I played at Asbury Park festival, he showed up and played a few tunes, he did not hold back a bit. His crew was very cool too Bruce asked us to come up and sing, Blinded by the Light with him. Funny as hell, we did a very syncopated version.
Below are two links to articles which I believe begin laying the groundwork for the future direction our country should take. These are the first two of five articles to be published this week. Stay tuned.
http://www.newdeal20.org/2012/04/02/the-truth-will-set-us-free-from-anti-government-rhetoric-75624/
http://www.newdeal20.org/2012/04/03/the-economic-story-progressives-need-to-tell-75640/
Sandi,
It’s been obvious since his election that RWers are very intimidated by the President’s opinions. That’s why they’re working so hard to bring him down.
The entire point of the lifetime appointment is precisely to prevent that sort of thing being possible.
Here’s a great read about a bastion of academic conservatism.
“They take the power of the PhD, and look 18 year old kids in the eye and remind them how stupid they are.”
I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you haven’t spent a lot of time in a college classroom. It’s either that or you’re just flat lying because this is nonsense.
JohnWilburn…I bet JMU just LOVED your trying to impute the gun crazy on a bunch of prospective students touring the school. Wonder how many families you turned off of JMU with your bumper stickers.
The first person in the “pack” was probably the tour guide wishing like hell your crazy old butt would get the heck out of the way.
Here’s a great read about a bastion of academic conservatism.
Like any Ivy League school is conservative, AND this ‘academic’ article comes from Rolling Stone .
A hilarious twofer.
In the link, it is pointed out that “it would be the first time since 1936 that the Supreme Court voided a major federal regulatory law“. If you think that is not some kind of precedent, given the mammoth legislation since then, you are only fooling yourselves. But then, that is what you do best.
I was using GOP judges and lawyers to make a point, that this is not the partisan fight you want it to be or that the case made it. Some in the GOP can still manage to be honest, you all, not so much.
If their opinions were not “attacking” or “intimidating” the SCOTUS, why were Obama’s remarks? Because you are looking for something to hate over.
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/SCOTUS-ACTIVISM_7654455/SCOTUS-ACTIVISM_7654455/
In other news, I’m happy to see that VMI is taking a day to honor our fabulous former FLOTUS and current Secretary of State. How exciting for the young men at school there to get a chance to see how far a good education and a lot of hard work can take you.
Kristen..4 years from a public institution..2 years from public institution, Bachelors and Masters degrees. Saw it all the way through. Walked out on a philosophy professor many times when his guest speakers were from the Communist party and our main text was The Communist Manifesto.
“They take the power of the PhD, and look 18 year old kids in the eye and remind them how stupid they are.”
Really? Who knew?
I can only judge from experience and those of my children, who seem to have gotten a pretty good education at state schools. Apparently, in my son’s case, the brainlessness culminated with degrees in mathematics and computer science. Similar brainlessness sent my daughter to South Korea to teach English in a country where they call teachers “nation builders”.
Wonder if there’s any connection to the economic success of a nation who calls their teachers “nation builders” compared to a culture where at least some in population regard teaching and education as exercise in creating brainlessness?
I wonder if VMI will lose any donations because they have invited Hillary Clinton to the campus?
Silly Dan, only outraged liberals boycott, withhold money or contact advertisers!
Rick is surely correct. I doubt if any of them teach real American history. Probably some weird version of it, like Seneca Falls, NY being a more significant historic site than Gettysburg.
Comment by Suzie — April 3, 2012 @ 12:42 pm
Actually, Suzie Q, Seneca Falls, NY is indeed very historically significant. It’s the home of the Women’s Rights National Historical Park. That park celebrates the courageous women like Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Lucretia Mott, Martha Wright, Mary Ann M’Clintock, and Jane Hunt who paved the way for the rights you, as an alledged female, enjoy today. It was there in 1848 that these women and 100 others met and held the first Women’s Rights Convention. The link below provides the Declaration of Sentiments which came from that convention. Seneca Falls, NY is indeed as important a place as is Gettysburg in the panorama of American History. I’m sure that your buddy Rick’s history textbook wouldn’t cover that though.
Sorry, here’s the link that goes with the comment above.
http://www.nps.gov/wori/historyculture/declaration-of-sentiments.htm
@38
“Walked out on a philosophy professor many times when his guest speakers were from the Communist party and our main text was The Communist Manifesto.”
As if the information contained within might somehow contaminate the purity of your mind.
I dunno know, seems to me that a college or university would be an appropriate place to learn about a political/economic philosophy that once rivaled democracy and capitalism. At the very least, attending the lectures would have make it more likely that I could speak more intelligently about it and allowed me to use my own mind to determine if I agree or disagree with it. That was kind of the whole point, I think.
Pistol Pete, have you ever heard the expression, “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”? Well, the more you know about Communism, Socialism and Marxism, the less likely you are to embarrass yourself by calling someone something they are clearly not. Not to mention, actually knowing what you are talking about when you talk about it and what you are seeing, if and when you do see it. Many conservatives should have stayed in the class and learned something instead of assuming they already knew the material.
I constantly read and watch documentaries on religious zealots, not because I want to be like them, but to learn how and why they think like that so I can fight them. Same for Anarchists, Sovereign Citizens, Communists, Socialists, Marxists, Capitalists, and others who seek to influence the course of history. Information and knowledge is power. Fear, denial and false accusations are not.
PP…why did you take the class?
Regarding your #6 comment….Suzie, Suzie, Suzie
Your characterization of the President, which I will not repeat, is entirely uncalled for and as poster #14 noted, borderline racist. You only weaken your position when you resort to invective remarks. If you disagree with his presidency, fine, be vitriolic. But I remind you that it is remarks such as those of yours which seem to attempt to divide us and distract from the real issues at hand.
Since you seem to have not understood this the first time around, I have some suggested reading:
http://www.amazon.com/Being-Respectful-Book-About-Respectfulness/dp/1404817875
Well, the Fourth* exploded with a mighty crash;
Justice Kennedy had spoke.
And the high court said to the prisoner there,
“Get ready for a poke.”
Contraband in the buns, band in the buns.
And the jailer man and Uncle Sam were searching everyone
For contraband in the buns
band in the buns (etc.)
***
And the high court judge
Who held a grudge
Will search forevermore
For contraband in the buns (etc.)
*Amendment
Gettysburg was important primarily as a place where many Americans slaughtered each other in a senseless battle that neither side actually meant to fight. And then it was the scene of a brilliant political speech that by measuring sticks of the day was way too short and wasn’t very highly regarded. It’s a great battlefield to visit, though, and you can always take one of the countless “ghost” tours.
“The first person in the “pack” was probably the tour guide wishing like hell your crazy old butt would get the heck out of the way.”
Kristen, the JMU police, staff, students, and sponsoring group were very welcoming and the tour guides were not only hospitable, but took and wore the stickers themselves. What a sight it was when all of the students who took stickers going to and from classes came up through The Commons at dinner time wearing their Guns Save Lives stickers. There were a bunch of them. It was the second time we’ve been there and unlike VT, they have no problem recognizing we may open carry in the buildings.
It sure is a good thing the President didn’t listen to all the carping from the Republican presidential nominees: “The two leading Republican presidential hopefuls, Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney, opposed the $80 billion bailout of General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group LLC. Romney called the auto bailout “crony capitalism on a grand scale” earlier this month.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/02/28/obama-defends-auto-bailout-calls-gop-criticism-load-of-you-know-what/
U.S. Car Sales Keep Up Their Firm Growth
By NICK BUNKLEY
Published: April 3, 2012
DETROIT — Automakers on Tuesday reported strong sales across the board in March, pushing the industry to its best quarter since before the recession, even though gasoline prices climbed to more than $4 a gallon in many states.
Nissan, Hyundai and Kia each posted record sales last month, while Chrysler and Volkswagen reported gains of more than 30 percent compared with a year earlier. The Ford Motor Company had its best month in five years.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/04/business/car-sales-keep-up-their-firm-growth.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss
Ron, I just think it would be nice to preserve those battlefields at Gettysburg and elsewhere by making what little bit is left of those historic sites off limits for developing.
Once I went to a guest lecture at Maryland by Jack Kemp. I was no fan of his prior to the lecture, but I also firm’t consider myself all-knowing, and I wanted to understand where he was coming from.
I think that may be part of the problem with conservatives today. Many, tho not all of them, believe they know all there is to know. They don’t believe they have anything left to learn. Limbaigh et al have taught them this. So they close their ears, and their minds. Probably some libs do this too, but fewer than on the other side.
gdad, isn’t it weird that that speech was considered a failure? I put it up there with “I have a dream” in the pantheon of American speechdom.
John Wilburn,
I agree that Gettysburg is an important historical site that needs to be preserved. However, the Dept of Interior needs more money to protect it from the developers. Where do you think we will get that? By the way, some of my ancestors fought at Gettysburg, but they were wearing blue at the time. The problem of development of Revolutionary & Civil War battlefields is more of a serious problem in Virginia than elsewhere. But our historic sites all across the country are under pressure and will be lost if we are not careful.
I’m a great supporter of historic preservation. My family & I restored the 1858 family home on our farm here in Indiana in the mid 1990s. It was a tedious process, but one of importance to our family. That farm has been in my family since 1822. A family cemetary on the property is the final resting place of 7 generations of my ancestors. Eventually it will be my final resting place as well.
Your characterization of the President, which I will not repeat, is entirely uncalled for and as poster #14 noted, borderline racist. You only weaken your position when you resort to invective remarks. If you disagree with his presidency, fine, be vitriolic. But I remind you that it is remarks such as those of yours which seem to attempt to divide us and distract from the real issues at hand.
Ed,
You are mistaken about my characterization of Obama. As I have clarified many times, his resemblance to a monkey has nothing to do with race. Also remember the guy is as much white as black. Thanks.
“They don’t believe they have anything left to learn. Limbaigh et al have taught them this. So they close their ears, and their minds. Probably some libs do this too, but fewer than on the other side.
I agree with this. No probably about it, MANY libs do, but likely slightly more in the conservative spectrum do. Don’t count me in that group; I want to learn new things everyday and do learn things on this blog. That’s more than likely what keeps me coming back. I can honestly say, though, with due consideration that no one here has come close to convincing me the country needs more gun control, in fact just the opposite. The majority here remind me how many are out there that would just assume our liberties perish.
Other than gun rights, some compelling arguments are made here daily on a wide array of things. I hope the topics get even more diverse. Overall, this is a good group to proud of.
45.”Pistol Pete, have you ever heard the expression, “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”? Well, the more you know about Communism, Socialism and Marxism, the less likely you are to embarrass yourself by calling someone something they are clearly not. Not to mention, actually knowing what you are talking about when you talk about it and what you are seeing, if and when you do see it. Many conservatives should have stayed in the class and learned something instead of assuming they already knew the material.”
Pistol Pete’s walking out reminds me of the guy in Bill Maher’s movie “Religulous” that walked out of the room at the beginning of a religious debate. The guy said he wasn’t going to hear anyone question his God! I agree with Sandi’s statement. Penn Jillette once said reading the Bible is the fastest way to become an Athiest. Broadening your knowledge of a subject will help to get you off the fence if your unsure about something and only reaffirm or raise healthy doubt about the things you already know.
If your afraid to challenge your beliefs, they’re weak.
Breaking:
Jon Huntsman is ahead of Rick Santorum in Washington DC. LMAO.
It seems kind of unAmerican to me to disallow Walmart to sell goods made in China on the most famous battlefield of the entire Civil War. The land there is so flat already that it’s PERFECT for asphalt parking lots. Who are the anti-capitalists pushing this?
(Pardon me while I get my tongue out of my cheek).
Ed, just ignore her.
#54 I agree it seems strange now, Kristen, but at the time people expected speeches that lasted an hour or more. The Gettysburg Address just seemed inadequate coming form a president. BTW, I was kidding about going on a ghost tour. I’ll skip that.
“I’m a great supporter of historic preservation. My family & I restored the 1858 family home on our farm here in Indiana in the mid 1990s. It was a tedious process, but one of importance to our family. That farm has been in my family since 1822. A family cemetary on the property is the final resting place of 7 generations of my ancestors. Eventually it will be my final resting place as well.”
Ron, we have a lot of common ground here. I’m very much into the preservation of history. Unfortunately, my family’s farm was divided by highway 460. You drive right through the middle of it going through Giles County at Ripplemead. The bulk of the acreage was liquidated in the 1960s. The family cemetary sits on a lot the size of postage stamp with development all around. Don’t take your family farm for granted; it’s super cool that you still have and enjoy it!
“As I have clarified many times, his resemblance to a monkey has nothing to do with race.”
While I don’t entirely buy that coming from Suzie, I said the very same thing about George Burns in the 80s. When you have ears like that, I really can understand the comment.
“Who are the anti-capitalists pushing this?”
Me! I’m all about enterprise and business, but history doesn’t grow back once it’s gone. History related FYI, the new Museum of the Confederacy that just opened in Appomattox has some awesome exhibits. Check it out if you get half a chance. It has some political issues, but the artifacts are amazing.
“Ed,
You are mistaken about my characterization of Obama. As I have clarified many times, his resemblance to a monkey has nothing to do with race. Also remember the guy is as much white as black. Thanks”
suzie, just for clarification, do you constantly refer to our president as “Monkey Boy” because you think he looks like a monkey? Or do you think he acts like a monkey? What species of monkey do you think he resembles most? Chimp? Gorilla? Howler? And then the “Boy” Moniker. Please explain what you find about a man in his 40′s that reminds you of a “Boy” Does he look like a boy to you? Does he act like a boy? Are you just implying that he has boyish good looks? Please pray tell, how you can combine “Monkey Boy” to describe the president of the greatest nation on this earth and not mean it in a derogatory manner?
Right. You must just have a juvenile crush on him. Surely you are not a racist. Sometimes we tend to call the ones we love silly nicknames. “Monkey Boy” would fit the bill. I guess you have your noble reasons that have nothing to do with the blatant racism that reasonable people take your constant use of the word “monkey boy” to describe our president.
I guess it’s up to the reader what you REALLY mean by your use of the term “Monkey boy” every time you speak of our president.
Me, I know you to be what you are. I’m sure you are fooling very few, except those who are just as bigoted and racist as I know you to be.
Just know every time you use the term “monkey boy” to describe Barrack Obama, you are most likely generating a motivated voter who is going to vote for President Barrack Obama. Our president, who is fighting to keep the social advances won by average Americans over the past 100 years, is up against folks just like you. Make no mistake, if elected, these social Darwinist will roll back all social, environmental and civil rights quicker than you can take a candy cane away from a 2 year old.
So, suzie, go ahead. Call my president “monkey boy” all you want. I think you’re the cutest little “pig” I’ve ever come across. I mean that in the nicest way. Make no mistake.
Personally Cold, I think pigs are far nobler than Troll Suzie.
@21: You consistently refer to the president as “boy.” Calling a black man that is racist. You are, therefore, racist. And, apparently, about as sharp as a bowling ball not to understand it.
I agree with this. No probably about it, MANY libs do, but likely slightly more in the conservative spectrum do. Don’t count me in that group; I want to learn new things everyday and do learn things on this blog.
We get it, John. You desperately want to be liked by this blog’s leftwing kooks fringe. I have no idea why you’re trying this hard, because you’re in. As far as learning anything from these nutcases, that’s a joke. Unless it’s learning how to act and think like a knuckle-dragging moron.
## 21, 56 – Suzie, you’re a little off your game: you forgot to change the letter “o” in Obama into a zero in these posts. Please be more vigilant in the future.
suzie, just for clarification, do you constantly refer to our president as “Monkey Boy” because you think he looks like a monkey? Or do you think he acts like a monkey? What species of monkey do you think he resembles most? Chimp
Yes, a chimp. Obama’s thin lips, wind-flapping ears are characteristics of Caucasians, BTW, which 0bama is.
Not sure where the racism accusation comes in unless you people think I’m making fun of the white race.
36
So Sandi thinks Obama can appoint himself Grand Wizard For Life, and as long as Congress passes it, it’s automatically Constitutional.
I’m tellin’ ya. We need that voter intelligence test PRONTO.
Kristen, the great idea of General Ed class that we have established in this country forced me to take Intro to Philosophy. Yes, it was an intro class where the professor didn’t just teach about socialism, he was its spokesperson!
Sandi, I had one good history prof who “TAUGHT” Socialism, Marxism, etc. The class I am referring to was mostly how good socialism was. Not its basics and its founders from a historical perspective.
I have also spoken to many college students who face the same things now. Not a factual look at a topic, but a PUSHING of ideas.
Ed #47: God love you for trying but Suzie has no position to weaken. She is a flame thrower of the lowest order and she is the plaque of this blog. Until we get the coming “block user” feature, we just overlook the trollish and boorish and totally insulting remarks from the resident piñata. You would do well to do the same. Her credibility is non-existent.
@64 – Chimps and Gorillas are apes, not monkeys.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/business/economy/private-report-shows-strong-jobs-growth.html?src=twrhp
Good news for America. Bad news for the GOP.
Dan writes, “I heard what Obama said and it sounded quite reasonable.”
Yeah, no kidding! The president is a …uh…real, real good constitutional scholar.(Kicking heels together…There’s no place like home….There’s no place like home.)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-57408827-504564/appeals-court-fires-back-at-obamas-comments-on-health-care-case/
If Palin had said what he said, it would and SHOULD have been front page news for a month. This was worthy of Tina Fey’s seeing Russia from her porch. This was one of THE stupidest thing a smart person has ever said. And his walk-back the next day wasn’t much better.
“Kristen, the great idea of General Ed class that we have established in this country forced me to take Intro to Philosophy. Yes, it was an intro class where the professor didn’t just teach about socialism, he was its spokesperson!”
PP, nobody “forced” you to do anything. You could have just quit college, or dropped the class and taken it later, rather than allow yourself to be exposed to views you didn’t necessarily hold, if you were so worried about indoctrination by the evil philosophy professor. Sure, that may have limited your career choices, earnings, etc. There is no “right” to a college degree in the constitution, you know.
Why didn’t you put your principles into action?
69. Suz, then I guess I’d better start recognizing you as Monkey girl or Monkey troll by your definition.
Phil, I have given several examples of GOP scholars and judges who have said similar comments to Obama’s and NO ONE is slamming them…What, precisely could President Obama “do” to the SCOTUS even if he was “threatening” them? THEY are the ones appointed for life, at best (and looking more so every day), he has 4 more years. You people just want to hate…and in #70 Suzie at least wants to lie.
Do you think campaigning against a SCOTUS decision you do not like is not allowed? Are there none you disagree with? Why don’t you people get real? Lose with some dignity for a change.
The difference between Palin commenting on pretty much anything is that she has no backround in anything, literally. President Obama, on the other hand, sports a Harvard Law degree and a backround teaching constitutional law.
Plus, Obama’s president of the United States and Palin’s about 10 minutes away from shilling Spanx on QVC. Even trying to make a comparison is laughable.
Obama – Smart and well educated Palin – Neither.
PP, if your intellectual structure is so weak that it crumbles in the face of advocacy for a position you don’t hold, college maybe wasn’t the right spot for you anyway. Maybe there are schools out there where you can be fed a steady diet of “We’re #1!!”, but why waste your money on them.
If this is all turning on looks (and it is not, you have proven your racist bona fides), let’s stipulate the obvious: George Bush looks more like a monkey than Barack Obama and yet you never call him “Monkey Boy Bush” (and neither do we). Bush also looks much more like an “idiot boy” and yet you never use that one on him either…so that is just another lie. Why are we not surprised, it is par for your coarse course. We just have more class than you can summon. No surprise there either.
Pistol Pete, I know in your world this is heresy, but not all ideas are equal. In fact, some are downright hogwash. No one with any credibility is under any obligation to “teach” what is not relevant, true, fact based or cogent. There have been nations that lived under Socialism, Communism, Marxism, Capitalism, Theocracy and even Anarchy. It is perfectly reasonable to study them and even if you feel a teacher is “pushing” an idea or ideal onto you, that is why God gave you both a brain and free will. Admitting you walked out rather than face the subject matter means you have no idea what the point was, nor if the teacher was “pushing it” or merely presenting it for consideration. That is absolutely one of those “glass half empty / glass half full” perspectives. If there really was indoctrination as you and so many right-wingers insist, there would be a whole lot more liberals and progressives in this nation!
BTW, the people who really are pushing extremist views are on the right-wing, the left wing is playing catch-up.
#75 So, Phil, buddy, let’s take a closer look at who might be attacking the federal courts:
“… a major plank in the GOP platform for the last few years has been to strip the federal courts of jurisdiction over entire areas of federal law.
Newt Gingrich is making this a major portion of his campaign right now. Another onetime major presidential candidate, Rick Perry, has vowed to disregard negative Supreme Court rulings.
Let’s hop into the wayback machine all the way back to December 27:
Republican presidential candidates Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry said during a GOP candidates forum Tuesday night that the Supreme Court should not be able to challenge anti-abortion measures.
Gingrich said legislation he would support as president would prohibit judicial review. Perry simply asserted that he would ignore a negative ruling by the Supreme Court in such a case.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/only-one-party-is-really-attacking-the-judiciary-and-it-isnt-the-democrats/2012/04/04/gIQALnrGvS_blog.html#.T3xwkmaiXH4.facebook
Yes, I know it’s from the Wapost, but the stuff they cite without question came from the mouths of Repubs.
Since Screwzie couldn’t answer my question on the other thread about where and when she told me ‘how it’s going to be’, she tucked her curly tail and ran like a scalded pig to this thread to get her much needed attention for the day.
Tell you what, walk up to the next African-American man you see and call him “boy” and see what kind of reaction you get. And stop trying to tell anybody you are not being racist. You are racist. And disrespectful to boot. But you ain’t Christian, I know that for sure.
Saintbridge@1:07
Disrespectful is much too kind a wored. Disgusting would work better!
George Bush looks more like a monkey than Barack Obama
Wow, Sandi. I thought only black men could resemble chimpanzees, according to you. So you mean your hypocritical outrage was all fake?
@86: You repeatedly call the president “boy.” That is racist. How can you claim to be a Christian and be so blatantly ugly?
0bama has boyish looks like Dan Quayle had. I wouldn’t call Jim Brown a ‘boy’ because he doesn’t look boyish.
Why do you see racism in every little word, Saintbridge? Is this how atheists are taught to think?
But could we be honest? 0bama doesn’t look presidential, he doesn’t act presidential. he has no gravitas because he has no experience and no slate of achievements. He didn’t look the part in 2008, and his abject performance proved he was nowhere near the part. He’s plainly a boy who was put in a man’s job.
So that’s where the ‘boy’ thing applies more than any other way.
#86 suzie making up more stuff.
Saintbridge, in case you haven’t figured it out yet, Suzie is a troll without a soul.
@Saintbridge: “You repeatedly call the president “boy.” That is racist.”
I have to disagree. I have two sons and I call them “boy.” Doesn’t make me a racist.. they are boys. If you’re not a boy, you’re a girl. Would it be appropriate to call Obama a “girl?”
There are certainly things that you can call someone that would indicate that you are likely a racist, but I don’t think “boy” or “girl” is one of them… and all of us are one or the other.
Jack@5:02
That is totally disingenuous nonsense. For over a century, white people
referring to black men as “boy” has been considered offensive and racist to black men as a vestige of attitudes left over from slavery, Jim Crow laws, and stereotypes. I can call my son or grandson boy, but I would never be so insensitive as to refer to a black man as “boy” It is blatant, it is racist, and those who use it on this blog are doing as a deliberate racist slur.
I like what #84 said and why not try it Jack? You can come by and tell us how it went. And you might call your son boy, that’s one thing. Its another thing to call the President boy, we know what that means and what it is called.
How do completely inane non-topics get beaten into the ground, over and over?
We know what she means by “boy”, and what she means is she wants a bunch of people to jump in and ask her what she means by “boy”. If “eggplant” got the same response, she’d say that. And the usual greek chorus would jump in to explain how “eggplant” is completely acceptable. And on and on and on.
How about we just short circuit the side show and completely ignore that crap. We can all make pretend to have poster-specific blocking software until the RT hurries the heck up and gets it for realz.
I’m weird, Jack. I call my kids by their names. Why would you call your own children “boy”? Makes you racist? No. Not too bright, maybe. And frankly I don’t buy it.
Keep digging. There is ONE reason you use “boy” or “monkey” in relation to the President and one reason alone. You mean it to be racist, you know we think it is racist and you are smug enough in your bile to insist there is some alternative meaning. If people “looking” like a monkey was all it took for you to choose the epithet, you would use it on Bush. If looking young or being inexperienced was all it took to be called “boy” you would use it along with your epithets for others. You don’t. Please, keep digging.
“boy” – “Originated during slavery. Used to belittle blacks.”
“Monkeyboy” – “People once believed, because of their high cranium, blacks were close cousins to primates.”
http://www.johncglass.com/racialslurs.htm
Do not try and pretend you did not know either one. Your games are as offensive as you are.
Context matters Jack.
I’m with Kristen @95 on this, just another way for trolls to get some (negative) attention – here is the definitive answer to the question, “Is the term ‘boy’ racist?”
December 21st, 2011
The Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals finally recognized that a supervisor’s use of the word ‘boy’ to refer to black employees is sufficient evidence of racism.
http://hlpronline.com/2011/12/court-finally-says-boy-comments-are-racist/
End of discussion??
The only problem is I never called President Jackass “boy”. I called him Monkey Boy. It’s like saying an eggplant is the same thing as an egg.
None of the hypocrites have asked Sandi why she spoke of GWB in racist terms. Why not?
“How do completely inane non-topics get beaten into the ground, over and over?”
By otherwise rational people thinking they will change an ideologue’s mind. Just don’t do it. It’s the intellectual equivalent of a dog chasing its tail.
Kristen is right. While I obviously still respond to suzie on some of her trolling topics, every one of us should completely ignore her on this subject.
Of course, now that Dan has acknowledged deleting a post that suzie has already declared DEFINITELY did not violate any rules, she’s either out of here or she’ll embarrass herself by changing her terms yet again.
Screwzie (if you’re out there…and we all know you are):
George Dubya Bush is white trash. A h*nky. A cracker. Is that racist enough for ya’? I don’t think Dan will let through some of the other racist names I can call him.
Why in hell do you folks keep feeding the troll?? Please stop!!
#92 Jack, do you really want to defend the racist troll suzie? Sad.
#83 OK, contra, it looks like you might have finally driven suzie away — at least for now. Congratulations on a job well done!!!
Gdad, I have no doubt one day we’ll have someone come in and announce that they’re not racist because they’ve named their pet goldfish the “N” word. And does that make them racist? And if they can call their goldfish by that name, why not anyone else?
@gdad,
Not defending her. Simply saying that I disagree that the term “boy” is a racial slur.
I would never use what I consider to be a racial slur. I’m definitely not racist, and I would vote for a black presidential candidate in a minute if I thought he was better than the other candidates.
That being said, answer this for me, gdad. Is Barack Obama a boy or a girl? He must be one or the other, so which is it?
Kristen #107,
Some terms are “racist” only when used in a specific context. For example, the term “cracker.”
Calling a white person a “cracker” is generally believed to be a racial slur. I wouldn’t personally be offended by it, but I think it is commonly agreed upon to be a racial slur.
However, calling a cracker a “cracker” is not. It is a cracker.
Other terms, such as your “N”-word example, are offensive in any context, whether you are calling your goldfish that or a black person.
Maybe I’m not making any sense here and have gotten myself too deep into a conversation that I’m not really interested in or comfortable having, and if that is the case, I apologize.
I make no claims to support anyone making any kind of racist-related comments. If it came across that way, again… my apologies.
I don’t think there is any excuse for someone to be a racist. If you dislike someone because of their race, you’re just too lazy to spend the time to find a better reason to not like them.
“Maybe I’m not making any sense here and have gotten myself too deep into a conversation that I’m not really interested in or comfortable having, and if that is the case, I apologize.”
No, you’re just a think-of-all-the-angles guy and I like that. You’re a worthy contributor here. It’s good to make people think!
Jack, Obama is a man, and a person. Learn and use.
Guess I didn’t realize there was someone here that could equal Suzie in being delusional. Congratulations, Jack, you’re our winner!
Words matter. And while they change context over time — take the word “gay,” for example — they are interpreted by their meaning as society determines at a given time. And today the term “boy” when applied to a black man is clearly a racist reference. I don’t say so, society says so. And if you are foolish enough not to understand that, then you will be taught it’s relevant meaning if you use it in public towards a black man.
Try this experiment: ask the next black male you see, “Excuse me, boy, do you have the time?” Yeah, get back to me on that.
@99: “The only problem is I never called President Jackass “boy”. I called him Monkey Boy.”
Horseshite, Suzie! You CONSISTENTLY refer to the president as “Idiot Boy.” No amount of nuance you care to come up with changes the fact that you are using a racial slur. It is offensive and disrespectful.
And I do not care what others have said about anyone. We are talking about you, right here and right now. Being a racist and using racist terms is NOT ok because someone else does or has. I would hope you are not so stupid as to not comprehend that. To make news here you would have to admit that, but you won’t.
I think I can let this go now. I just wanted to see if you had any sense of decency. You don’t.
The answer is…Obama’s a man. He’s not a “boy”.
“Some terms are “racist” only when used in a specific context. For example, the term “cracker.”
I agree with this, and if I walk by a playground and see a little boy playing I might say…”Oh, there’s a little boy playing”. And boy would mean that he was a…boy. But I wouldn’t call him “boy” if he were black or white. And I sure wouldn’t call an adult black male “boy” and expect anything other than scorn leveled down on me.
#83 OK, contra, it looks like you might have finally driven suzie away — at least for now. Congratulations on a job well done!!!
Posted on April 5th, 2012″
As much as I’d like to take credit for running Screwzie off, it apparently was Dan’s deleting her two posts that did it. (Thanks, Dan!) I do hope that Dan’s refusal to ask me to change my avatar was a contributing factor.
We all know she’s still reading the posts even if she’s not posting. At this point, I suggest we all just say good riddance to bad rubbish and treat her like Voldem…oops!…he-who-must-not-be-named. :-)
@Kristen: “I agree with this, and if I walk by a playground and see a little boy playing I might say…”Oh, there’s a little boy playing”.”
I assume that in your above statement, the “boy” could be black, white or purple, right?
So does the term “boy” become offensive based on race or age?
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/interactive/2012/04/us/doj.letter.pdf
Eric Holder’s answer. Perfect
Jack, there’s a big difference between referring to a boy as a little boy, and using it as an address. I can think of LOTS of words that are useful in context, but as a term to address another (instead of their name) are unacceptable.
I can’t ever imagine calling a child “Boy”. I wouldn’t say “Girl” either. Would you walk up to a female on the street and say “Hey, Woman”? Probably not.
@Richard J Beason,
Perfect except that it was not what the court asked for.
Jack, if we were walking on a beef cattle farm and you pointed to a 1,500-pound bull and said, “look at that calf over there” I would think you were a little off your rocker.
Just sayin’.
#114 I knew that, contra, just playing around a little.
I’d love to know the nature of the posts Dan deleted.
I agree Richard, that was perfect. What a jerk excuse for a judge. Yeah those right wingers really love freedom of speech…as long as it is theirs.
Jack, there is a reason some folks say “everybody knows” something. It is because it is true. When you gotta become a pretzel…let it go.
119 posts on whether or not “Suzie” is a racist. What a waste of bandwidth.
Calling an adult a “boy” or a “girl” is insulting. You are suggesting they are less than an adult whether physically or mentally. It is a grand “Southern Tradition” to call black men and women such as a means of expressing your superiority and it is therefore a racist slur, period. Using such is simply inexcusable because it is a known “Tradition” of the South and no one that uses such can claim innocence of such fact.
118. Jack, I sincerly disagree, it is exactly what the Court asked for!
I make no claims to support anyone making any kind of racist-related comments. If it came across that way, again… my apologies.
Jack, Don’t twist yourself in a knot apologizing to this group. They aren’t offended, just pretend to be. Suzie has explained her use of the term but they go on complaining like they didn’t see it.
114 Contrasuzie, If Suzie leaves where does that leave you?
For my part I hope she stays because she offers the funniest and most intelligent contributions to this space. She should understand she will never receive equal treatment in a liberal blog. Come on back girl and keep swinging! If they delete you they delete you but you can still get some good punches in.
@123: Hey, Arthur, blame me. I asked her simple question. She denied and dodged and then tried to squeal on something she says somebody else did. I wanted to hold her feet to the fire and when I did she bailed.
I’m done. I win. She’s got no leg to stand on. I just hope for her sake she is more tolerant and respectful in her personal relationships than she is here, otherwise she is in for a lonely existence.
How surprising.
Another win for Saintbridge!
Honest to god “Suzie” do you have no shred of pride at all? Cringe inducing.
When you acknowledge it, you give it power. It’s sitting at home now, having it’s little trollgasm, gushing “Tuesday was all about me!!!” Just sayin’.
“And since making these remarks, a three-judge panel for the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals has told the DOJ that it has until Thursday to explain whether the Obama administration believes the courts have the right to strike down a federal law.”
With all due respect Jack, I agree with Richard that Attorney General Holder’s answer to the Federal Appeals Court was right on the mark and exactly what the Judges requested.
@Richard J Beason: “118. Jack, I sincerly disagree, it is exactly what the Court asked for!”
They asked for three pages (they got two) and asked for it to specifically address Obama’s comments (it did not).
#130 No pride at all, Kristen.
#123 Obviously you didn’t read the whole thread, Art.
#126 YAJ: Don’t worry about me. I’ll be fine.
#131 Art: “trollgasm”. Excellent!
Barely legibly. Kristen writes, “79.The difference between Palin commenting on pretty much anything is that she has no backround in anything, literally. President Obama, on the other hand, sports a Harvard Law degree and a backround teaching constitutional law.”
Right!! It would have been just a mistake if my 13 yr old son had said it but for the president it was simply sad. So…..a fed judge gave Holder a homework assignment(3 pages, single spaced!). ROFL
Sandi writes, “Lose with some dignity for a change.”
If for once, winning ot losing, you could lead by example. ONCE!
I imagine YAJ as a 50 something Justin Bieber type, only less masculine.
#133 Wrong yet again, Jack. The version I saw goes onto a third page (did the court DEMAND a full three pages, right to the bottom?) and after laying out its answer says it’s fully consistent with what the president said. Done. Now let’s see if the judge has another infantile temper tantrum.
It’s difficult, Phil, not to be “legible” on a blog. If you’re attempting to insult me, use “coherently” or “intelligibly”.
Phil, I appreciate that I should be your leader. I will strive to be worthy.
gdad,
If you remove the “to” part of the first page, you have 1/2 of a first page, a full second page, and 1/2 of a third page. That totals two pages. The court specifically asked for no less than three.
As you can see “…at least three pages single spaced, no less…”
Even if we don’t consider the salutations at the first page, 2 1/2 pages is certainly less than three.
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Smith: I would like to have from you by noon on Thursday… a letter stating what is the position of the attorney general and the Department of Justice, in regard to the recent statements by the president, stating specifically and in detail in reference to those statements what the authority is of the federal courts in this regard in terms of judicial review. That letter needs to be at least three pages single spaced, no less, and it needs to be specific. It needs to make specific reference to the president’s statements and again to the position of the attorney general and the Department of Justice.
That would be a salutation, a signature page, and three pages of single spaced type that this ignorant judge would have to have a clerk reqd and interpret for him so he could make another loud mouthed proclamation making a further jackass of himself.
133. Jack, I am sure if the judge is not happy with the response he will say so, but Holder answered most completely as to the President’s position and most clearly as to what the judge asked. More importantly, he made it clear that the President was correct in his statements and that the Judge should make sure he understands the place of the Judiciary in the American system. Judges do not have carte blanc in making rulings, they to are responsible to the Constitution and the balance of power.
133. Jack, It becomes infantile and ridiculous to begin counting the inches on a page; as if the original request was not infantile enough. The Judge was stepping out of bounds from the beginning demanding a single spaced three page brief. He is lucky he does not receive a rebuke from the Courts.
My chief problem with Holder’s response is that it treated that silly judge’s demand seriously. Apparently the guy has too much class.
I think Holder should have responded with the salutation, “Dear Judge Jackass,” followed by the sentence, “The president supports Marbury V. Madison” repeated over and over for three single-spaced pages, followed by the questions, “What is your problem? Are you jonesing for another raped cheeleader for your court to screw over?”
And then he should have closed with, “Yours in support of Article III, Section 1 of the Constitution.”
#142 As I said, Smith was throwing a silly temper tantrum. He was treated accordingly. Holder could have padded the response to get it to three pages, but what’s the use when you’ve already said more than needs to be said? Now he can try to hold Holder in contempt if he wants to further show the world what an idiot he is.
Our level headed president and his competent appointees clarified to that judge where he stands in the pecking order. I doubt he’ll forget this public spanking.