Cows coming home on the Thursday thread
Some of the cows that are raised at Ancilla College in northern Indiana. | Photo by the regular here who goes by 'Ron'
Note from Dan: Here’s the email from Ron that came with this pic:
Dan,
Attached is a photo I took this evening as I went to my car to head home.
The calves in the picture are among more than 100 calves born this during the calving season.
Just part of all the things we do here where I work.
Ron
May 3, 2012 - 10:00 AM
I owe Dan an apology. Elizabeth Warren(aka. Pinocchiohontas, sacajawhiner, etc.)has conclusively proven that she is Cherokee and has proven RW”s like me to be total liars.
Here is the video:http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/warren-my-grandfather-had-high-cheekbones-all-indians-do_643103.html
You see, her “high cheek bones” proves that she is Cherokee. Nevermind that the geniologists cannot back up her claim that her great, great great grandmother was half Cherokee….I am sure they are also RWers who are part of the conspiracy.
Also, don’t believe the Associated Press when they tell you she earned over $900,000 last year and is therefore part of the evil 1%. AP is also lying when they say that she declined to check the box on here taxes that would have declined tax relief.(she stiffed the 99%)
All of these RW liars need to be exposed.
A well written “opinion” piece by E. J. Dionne.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-winning-strategy-on-foreign-policy/2012/05/02/gIQAKEeywT_story.html
By the way, the beef at Ancilla Grain & Beef Farm is hormone free and grass fed.
Ummmmm. Indians is very PC.
#1 What the heck is a “geniologist”? Are those folks who study genies?
I swear, if we had a nickel for every time a right winger misspelled or misused a word or made up something on this blog…
Today’s Roanoke Times has a map of the electoral results for mayor. The north half of the county was shaded blue and the south was red. Darkest blue, meaning the heaviest turnout for Democrat Bowers was the poorest part of Northwest City. Darkest red for Republican Lucas was South Roanoke.
The job creators, the people who look out for everybody else had their candidate thwarted by the folks who are on the receiving end, many who contribute little to the system. The blues always outnumber the reds. This is why, unfortunately, Roanoke will never move forward. It’s why we won’t get the best people; It’s why we’ll get leaders who will continue to make dumb decisions, and it’s why unnecessary taxes will be leveled to pay for these dumb decisions.
I’m a voice in the wilderness, but we need to return to the times when only contributors got the right to vote. Now I know some will jump in and say “oh, you want a return to ‘whites only’ voting.” No, that’s the typical race-baiting reaction. People who say that must assume racial minorities never contribute to the system. That’s the view of racists. It’s not my view. No, let’s allow only taxpayers, only contributors to vote. Period. No taxes paid, no vote. I don’t care if you’re retired, on welfare, disabled, or found enough loopholes. You don’t pay you don’t vote.
In order to save our country and urban centers, we need to release the stranglehold of non-contributors voting themselves goodies and the providers getting outnumbers. That fosters politicians like we have in Roanoke and in the White House who have no interest in the common good; just to provide goodies to the freeloaders and retain power.
Who’s with me?
GDAD
Chec dis owt. Evin da San Fransisco Kronicul is trashing yoar beeloved OWS heeros.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/03/ED181OCCEB.DTL
I saw more evidence last week of why it’s a bad idea to fall into line in one lane and even go so far as to block the other lane miles ahead of time when a highway is going to drop from two lanes to one. This is not the first time I’ve seen this exact situation.
I was northbound on I-81 somewhere around Exit 137 (Salem) when I noticed southbound was backed up. This was puzzling, as I hadn’t seen road work or an accident. As I continued north, I started seeing the usual pattern of heroic truck drivers blocking the left lane to make sure nobody “jumped” line — never mind that every study done shows that the fastest way to merge is to use all lanes all the way to the choke point.
Anyway, these self-appointed lane police had created sections where nobody was using the left lane for large chunks of mileage, which was what they wanted to do. Problem was, as I found out later from the news, there HAD been an accident, but it had been completely cleared at least 10 minutes before I observed the lane blocking. IOW, these truckers were shutting down a lane that up ahead was open and ready for traffic. But, by golly, they were damned well gonna make sure nobody jumped line!!
I have a better idea. In companies only stockholders are allowed to vote. Why not only property owners that have a vested interest in the country be allowed to vote? And another idea the original intent if congress wad for the Senators to represent the states and the House represent the people. Why nit go back to that. These two things would go along way towards fixxing the problems we have. But my idea will be considered radical and we will continue to allow people to vote that have no earthly idea of the issues. Take Sandi for example while I disagree with her she is educated and informed on the issues and votes accordingly. She and the balance of liberals on this blog are fair and reasonable competition. The uneducated ignorant fools that voted for President Obama thinking they would get a free hand out ate not.
Out of 100 people in downtown Roanoke how many do you think could tell us the three branches of government or even who the Vice President is? 25 to 30 maybe
Ron, nice picture! It made me want a steak.
I hate reporters sometimes.
A “13 year-old”(actually almost 15) tried to rob a couple at gunpoint and was killed by the victims.
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/05/slain_teen_jaquares_walkers_mo.html
The mother was quoted as saying “It’s like he’s still here, and I feel him **holding me up**,”
I know the mother said it but the reporter didn’t have to repeat it.
This is incredible stuff, Mr. Anti-BULLY himself- Dan Savage decides to bully Christian High School students in a speech. Calling them Pansies!
http://www.nomblog.com/22269/?roi=echo7-6123579689-25499616-c03075d99b225b8a0ff0b8d62ea6dbb6
He also talks about how Christians say that they ‘have to bully’ because of what the Bible says.
That is ludicrous, just because a Christian doesn’t agree with a behavior means they bully them. ..The woman at the well.
Lets hear all honest remarks from the Left about this video
3. Monkey Misinformation Troll – you are so full of it. Perhaps you have failed to read the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence as to equality in this Country. Your little bit of money, and I do mean little, gives you no more rights to dictate the politics in Roanoke than anyone else. The people in North Roanoke City re some of the hardest working people in the City, have a longer history in the City, and care more about the City than than many of those who have moved into South Roanoke from elsewhere. For many in S. Roanoke it merely means they have larger mortgages than those in N. Roanoke and more debt. Job Creation comes from risk taking and hard work, there are just as many of those in N. Roanoke as South, and many that are much more successful. For instance, Ralph Smith was a N. Roanoke boy that worked his way up. I don’t expect he wants to hear your snotty job creator remarks about N. Roanoke. There are many, many more like him.
Monkey brains, you need to take your medicine and turn off your computer.
Suzie… What an idiotic idea. I believe you speak for the majority of conservatives who think the least among us should have no voice. How do you drag yourself out of bed each morning and look yourself in the mirror?
Little-known stat:
0bama is responsible for 2193 coalition deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan as of Wednesday. In Bush’s entire first term, he oversaw the deaths of 1686, and this includes the initial invasion wave of Iraq. So that’s 527 more deaths the current Commander-in-Chump is responsible for than GWB. By election time, that difference will be close to 800 deaths.
Now flip back to 2004. Bush had a roaring economy, and a low unemployment rate, so the media felt the only thing they could attack him on was the war. And you recall the relentless hammering Bush got.
In 2012 that same media is silent on the greater amount of war carnage 0bama is exacting. So not only is the 0bama economy the worst since FDR’s Great Depression, he’s a bigger butcher than Bush ever was.
But we hear nothing about it. Come on, hypocrite leftwing MSM. Do you damn jobs for a change.
gdad, I ran into that on I-81 down near Marion. It was several miles ahead of the lane closure for the bridge work that is going on there…but everyone was in the right lane. I was in the left lane and just kept going. People honked and a couple tried to block the lane. But the road was completely wide open, no sign of a wreck or anything else. and it was clear sailing for another 2 miles until I hit that work zone too.
Michael Howdyshell, if only property owners have the right to vote, does that mean that those of us who live in apartments can’t vote?
#4 As I’ve patiently tried to explain to you, terps, I really don’t care a whit for the national OWS folks. I really know very little about them. The only reason I stared commenting about the local ones is because you posted some outrageous and offensive lies about them. I just don’t think that the type of vile and baseless BS you made up should go unchallenged. I guess that kind of honesty and desire for fairness comes from my journalism background.
terps, spellchecker alert . . .
And what if you own a lot of property? Does a landlord with 15 properties get 15 votes? What about joint owners, or partners in a property?
Does it have to be DEVELOPED property? If not, there’s going to be some neat gaming of the system going on, with lotsa people owning 9 square inches of land here or there.
For all the reasons above, and plenty others, the idea is ludicrous.
“Why not only property owners that have a vested interest in the country be allowed to vote? ”
Because it’s unconstitutional? You are aware that many military families live in government housing and don’t own anything….should they be denied the vote? What about people in assisting living facilities? College students?
Owning property has no bearing on how much you know about the “issues”. Plenty of good home-owning folk couldn’t name the three branches of government…qualifying for a mortgage isn’t the same as passing a civics test.
PP, I love Dan Savage if for nothing else for his “Santorum” initiative.
Miriam,
If Dan should have a blog get together sometime this summer when I can get there I could bring some steaks to cook on the grill & maybe get my son on the Eastern Shore of Virginia to ship us some of his oysters. What do you think?
Ron, yesterday I was up in a processing operation in Dayton, VA picking up 100 lbs of grass fed drug-free beef from a 1/4 cow I bought. Great stuff! We end up paying all in somewhere between $4.40 and $4.75 lb (I’ve bought from 3 different farmers) for cryopacked butchered *eating* meat, which is some formula of hanging weight, dressed weight, and butcher fees. Is this in the neighborhood of what you guys get for your meat?
Oh man! If we could fix on a date we could do this at Loch Haven if people wanted to — where there is swimming, sunning, kayaking, fishing, and a very good vibe generally. (There’s a $6/hed guest fee).
@22 & 23 – I think that’s a fabulous idea. I promise to eat steaks if they are cooked. I will also be in charge of drinking some beer and stalking away a reasonable downwind distance to smoke. I also vow to sit in a shady spot and laugh. And I’ll bring the paper plates. And napkins.
Do it!!!!!!!!
Maybe a gathering at Texas Tavern. I hear it has the best food in town.
Kristen, wondering if you watched the video? You know, where the “anti-bully, it gets better” guy tells a room full of teenagers that the Bible is bull%h1t and that they were pansies for walking out.
On a different note. I’ve had some experience with family members dealing with LYME’s disease. I want to recommend to everyone to Queue on Netflix “Under Our Skin”
We have people DIEING of Lyme’s all over this country and bureaucracy is allowing it. If you know someone that is affected, or has symptoms of MS, ALS, Parkinson’s, etc…please tell them to see this film http://www.underourskin.com
grass fed drug-free beef from a 1/4 cow I bought. Great stuff!..cryopacked
Hey. Sounds a lot like AB Steaks!! Tried it once. It was OK, I’d just as soon get a hunk of Great Value meat from down at the local WM.
Dan, If you do a cookout, I am there! I’ll do my part and bring my Bible, my 9mm, and Huckabee for president petition!
Oh, and also my grandmother’s famous potato salad
8. Michael Howdyshell – You guys have got some nerve. While we are at it, lets change the constitution so that the more money and property you have, the more power you have. The President will now be the King, the lords will be ranked by riches as dukes, earls, and gentry and the rest will be serfs. Michael, you and Monkey Troll will finally realize that you are not the wealthy people you so want to be and will join the rest of the serfs. A few government contracts do not make you wealthy people. When you get to the 2 to 3 hundred million in assets, then you might have reason to be saying such nonsense. but then again, it is never the truly wealthy that have such ideas, it is the wannabes that want everyone to think they are wealthy that really have little that spout such BS.
Hey Dan, don’t you have to be someone’s guest to hang out at Lockhaven? You can’t just pay the $6.00 can you? Like you have to list someone on the book thingy.
Suzie… What an idiotic idea. I believe you speak for the majority of conservatives who think the least among us should have no voice. How do you drag yourself out of bed each morning and look yourself in the mirror?
The great thing about America is anyone can have a voice if they want one. Voting is a privilege that should be earned. If you want to have a say, you need to participate. All you have to do is contribute a little—and pay some taxes.
Of course I said that a little tounge n cheek.
15. Monkey Misinformation Troll – again with the misinformation. Everyone knows that the insurgency that cost American Lives occurred after the initial invasion when the civil war began in Iraq and Afghanistan. The civil wars that occurred because the Bush Administration handled the wars so miserably. The lives lost cleaning up the Bush mess is terrrible and should be placed directly at the feet of the neocons.
18)” I guess that kind of honesty and desire for fairness comes from my journalism background.”
OMG….GDAD please tell me you are kidding. I almost fell over my keyboard when I read that. Believing that your jounalism background makes you “honest and fair” is beyond delusional.
You are a left winger and I am a right winger. We see the world through different prisms. Thats it! But for some reason, liberals think that their point of view makes them more “honest”.
I have no doubt that you are an honest and fair person, but its not because you are a liberal and it sure as hell has nothing to do with your jounalism background.
The people in North Roanoke City re some of the hardest working people in the City
Thannks for agreeing with me, Richard. We both understand hard-working people should have a vote. I hope you also agree that freeloading lazy-butt people who leech off the system without paying federal income taxes SHOULDN’T have the voting privilege.
Re: Comment by Richard J Beason, CPA — May 3, 2012 @ 11:41 am
Well done.
You and I don’t always agree but you nailed that one.
On an earlier thread, I have suggested that our resident troll move to the City of London, as I am sure she love voting based on workers employed (until she found out how it rally works).
http://tinyurl.com/78ufhz7
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Voters
Eligible voters must be at least 18 years old and a citizen of the United Kingdom, a European Union country, or a Commonwealth country, and either:
A resident
A sole trader or a partner in an unlimited partnership or
An appointee of a qualifying body.
Each body or organisation, whether unincorporated or incorporated, whose premises are within the City of London may appoint a number of voters based on the number of workers it employs. Limited liability partnerships fall into this category.
SNIP
Qualified voters can vote twice, once at local government elections in the City and once at local government elections in the district where their home address is situated. Residents of the City can only vote once.
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Miriam,
I’ve been a member there since ’94. It’s an amazing and fantastic place, with great people.
You guys have got some nerve. While we are at it, lets change the constitution so that the more money and property you have, the more power you have. The President will now be the King, the lords will be ranked by riches as dukes, earls, and gentry and the rest will be serfs. Michael, you and Monkey Troll will finally realize that you are not the wealthy people you so want to be and will join the rest of the serfs
See? I predicted this would happen. The leftwingers make it about something other than what I said. I didn’t say anything about wealth or power. I’m saying you have to contribute. Something. You have to pay some federal income tax. If you can’t do that simple act, you don’t deserve to have a say.
Michael Howdyshell@11:16 AM
Michael, that is pure , elitist, condescending crap. How about the uneducated ignorant, Christian fundamentalists who vote for Republican candidates because their pastor tlls them to , usually because he is convinced that homosexuals are taking over the world in some conspiratorial plot to do away with mariage between a man and a woman.
Or because they have been told by someone on the internet that a professed and avowed Christian, Brack Obama, is a secret Muslim radical dedicated to the destruction of the United States and the establishment of Sharia law. If you count the flaming ignorance and bigotry on th Republican side, (much of it espoused by propert owners) The plutocratic theocracy that you propose to establish would be just another American Taliban.For a professed and suppsed student of history, especially American history , that is plain pap.
I guess that kind of honesty and desire for fairness comes from my journalism background.
Yeah, that’s a hoot, all right. Some of the most dishonest people in the country call themselves “journalists”.
Monkey Misinformation Troll – By your guidelines only your husband could vote in your family as you are a freeloading lazy-butt person. Accordingly, we should not listen to anything you have to say.
Monkey Misinformation Troll – What about other taxes, don’t they count? I think the best thing to do is take the vote away from anyone living off federal and State government contracts. Why should they have the right to vote when they are merely living off the rest of us.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/orly-taitz-california-election-fraud-case_n_1473965.html
Another sad day in court for the top birther.
Re: Comment by Dan Casey — May 3, 2012 @ 12:41 pm
But, Dan, the banks, financial institutions and other big businesses owners in the City of London love the idea. Excepting, possibility, who elects the Lord Mayor of the City, the sheriffs and some other key City officers.
See same link as above [ I'll not c&p more on this thread in compliance fair use doctrine].
Take Sandi for example while I disagree with her she is educated and informed on the issues and votes accordingly. She and the balance of liberals on this blog are fair and reasonable competition. The uneducated ignorant fools that voted for President Obama thinking they would get a free hand out ate not.
I agree there are some differences between liberals on this blog and the abject freeloaders. I disagree that most or even many libs on here are “fair and reasonable”. While they know more about issues than the average street-dweller, they have the knowledge but don’t act upon it. They know, and they don’t care. In that regard, they are worse than the leeching bums.
I can vouch for Lochaven. My wife, son & I spent an hour or so visiting with Dan and his son there last summer I think. The chair I sat in was particularly comfortable. My wife, son, and I had just hiked the trail to McAfee’s Knob.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/operation-rescue-patient-records_n_1474563.html
Time these domestic terrorists are treated as what they are.
32. Monkey misinformation Troll – the great thing about living in American IS that anyone can have a voice. Sometimes we have to listen to the voice of a fool, but all have a voice.
Comment by Ron — May 3, 2012 @ 12:51 pm
Oysters in the summer?
Where are your traditional values, Ron?
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How’bout some crabs?????
@38 Yeah Dan, I belonged over there for one summer and it was a great place to read (while the daughters did teenage stuffs). I just couldn’t remember if you had to be a guest of a member, but we have that covered now!
I knew no one would respond to the Dan Savage video..
except Kristen who defended him
I see that now that ter-ps dosn’t have David Bowers to kick aound anymore, he has shifted all his attention to Elizabeth Warren. This is the typical Republican right wing Karl Rovian attack method of shifting the debate away from all the fantastic policies whjich she initiated through the Consumer Proptection work that she did . This supposedly enables them to allow another third rate sponsor of cronyism like Scott Brown to stay in power.Brown cast two votes in four years for progressive initiatives so that he could portray himself in this election as a bipartisan Senator ina state dominated by Democrats. This was a cynical ploy since the rest of his voting record toed the party obstructionist line in 100% lockstep.
Some of the most dishonest people in the country call themselves “journalists”.
Yep. And 80 % of them work for Faux “News” or Conservative talk radio through Clear Channel.Can you spell Hasnity, O’Reilly, Coulter, Beck, Limbaugh (and those are just the tip of the iceberg).
The sad thing about this whole election is most people, Democrat and Repubican, knew Lucas was the better choice. The ultra-lib RTEB knew it. Even libs in here thought so.
And yet the obviously best choice was denied.
There’s just something a little wrong when Sherman Lea starts rushing around, picking people up off the street, driving them to the polls because he’s “getting a little worried”. If these people are that disengaged, what business do they have voting? It’s clownish. Can anybody see Bob Goodlatte frantically driving down Wycliffe or 23rd rousting the locals to rush to the polls?
Love the Loch Haven idea. Two cases of beer and a bottle of Tequila from me. One thing though. Must declare it a gun free zone!
This comment sort of fits in to the fenced cattle pic, visually, not substantively.
In any case, is this the “Worst Political Ad Ever”?
http://tinyurl.com/73b8rom
#15 most ill-informed – since you seem to have a congenital defect for truth telling, where are your links to your “little known stat”…?
Both the casualties in the military and civilian for the last 10 years (only 31/2 years under President Obama) are on GWB as he botched the war in Afghanistan by turning his attention to Iraq and sending the majority of troops there instead of trying to get bin Laden. Thank goodness President Obama is cleaning up good old Geo’s mess…
Deaths of coalition military personnel in Afghanistan to date:
2001 – 2012 = 2,987 Total.
http://icasualties.org/oef/
Deaths of military coalition personnel in Iraq to date:
2001 – 2012 = 4,804 Total
http://icasualties.org/iraq/index.aspx
HISTORIC REALITY CHECK FOR most ill-informed – can you stop with your ridiculous assertions about GWB?
Just days after the Washington Post documented that George W. Bush presided over the worst eight-year economic performance – “Bush Lead During Weakest Economy in Decades” – in modern American presidency.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/11/AR2009011102301.html?hpid=topnews
On January 9, 2009, the Republican-friendly Wall Street Journal summed it up with an article titled simply, “Bush on Jobs: the Worst Track Record on Record”
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
As the New York Times showed, George W. Bush, the first MBA president, was a historic failure when it came to expanding GDP, producing jobs and fueling stock market growth
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/24/business/24charts.html?_r=3&partner=rss&emc=rss
My plan, right now, is to take the last two weeks of July off. The first week of that will be spent at Lake George in the Adirondacks. The second week usually involves visiting my sons in Virginia. Maybe we could work something out that last week of July. I’d have to figure out how to get the steak & oysters there, but I can work on that.
“uneducated ignorant, Christian fundamentalists ”
Ahh, the Left proves its hypocrisy time and time again. Dave will be in here tomorrow crying about the need for tolerance and decrying name-calling.
#41 most ill informed posted”Some of the most dishonest people in the country call themselves “journalists”
you forgot to complete that sentence with: “and they appear on Fox “News” nightly…”
#35 I never said that being liberal makes me honest and fair, now did I, terps?
However, I did almost make you fall over your keyboard and I provoked suzie into yet one more comment. All is good.
#11 And exactly why shouldn’t that have been reported, Henry?
I’m all for the cookout!
@41 Some of the most dishonest people on this blog call themselves “Suzie”.
As long as folk are talking about different parts of the city, check out:
http://tinyurl.com/ckqahmr
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Accident-Zone: Poorer Neighborhoods Have Less-Safe Road Designs
SNIP
Researchers have proposed many explanations for social inequalities in traffic injuries, including differences in the prevalence of drunk driving, use of helmets and safety restraints, and driving speeds. The new study, published in the American Journal of Public Health, finds that the street environment may be largely to blame.
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Nevertheless, “billions of dollars are invested every year to build new roads and to rebuild old ones,” Morency says. Oftentimes, the engineers who build those roads unintentionally incorporate less-safe features—such as wide lanes and shoulders that allow people to drive faster—or they fail to include features that make roads safer for bicyclists and walkers. Morency suggests that at least “the government could stop spending money in ways that only increase the problem.”
When traffic-calming measures are installed, they’re more likely to be located in wealthy neighborhoods, Utah’s Ewing points out. “In terms of social justice, if I were a mayor, I would put more of my resources into traffic safety in lower-income neighborhoods, because they have a higher incidence of traffic accidents.”
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Also see: http://tinyurl.com/7hsca4o
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Neighborhood Social Inequalities in Road Traffic Injuries: The Influence of Traffic Volume and Road Design
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Anyone surprised?
“Some of the most dishonest people in the country call themselves “journalists”.”
You wouldn’t be referring to El Rushbo now would you?
Right, He’s just an entertainer.
Here are some cows that might come home in November:
http://tinyurl.com/7pvb7yk
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Defense trumps poverty in Republican House
By DAVID ROGERS | 5/2/12 11:23 PM EDT
American soldiers learned the hard way not to walk down enemy trails in Vietnam — and certainly not twice. But here come the House Republicans, marching into the sunlight by shifting billions from poverty programs to the Pentagon, all within hours of adopting an entirely new round of tax cuts for those earning more than $1 million a year.
Is this the same party that abhors class warfare and wants to show a gentler side of Mitt Romney toward women and Hispanics? Are we talking smart, principled politics or the charge of the light brigade?
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I have an idea…what if we fine people who don’t vote.
What about other taxes, don’t they count? I think the best thing to do is take the vote away from anyone living off federal and State government contracts. Why should they have the right to vote when they are merely living off the rest of us.
No. They don’t demonstrate any meaningful commitment to the system. Folks with government contracts presumably work for the money in that contract, unless they are with some bogus “green” company.
By your guidelines only your husband could vote in your family as you are a freeloading lazy-butt person. Accordingly, we should not listen to anything you have to say.
Why would you think my name isn’t on our joint tax returns?
PP, I saw the Dan Savage video. I agree with the points he made for the most part. He should not have referred to the students who walked out as pansies. He later apologized
@4 -”I swear, if we had a nickel for every time a right winger misspelled or misused a word or made up something on this blog…”
And I swear, if we had a PENNY for every time a left-winger who had no answer for an argument on this blog tried to change the subject by attacking spelling, grammar or the person making the post, we could buy out Bill Gates.
15 since you seem to have a congenital defect for truth telling, where are your links to your “little known stat”…?
My source was the same as yours, Hillary, icasualties, and you have disproven nothing. My figures were from the first terms of both presidents. Just because you copy and paste the totals proves nothing. Did you even have a point with that?
So many times these ADD libs don’t read what was written.
I have an idea…what if we fine people who don’t vote.
Great sentence. Toss in a “nickle” for Bill.
PP, there was nothing he said that I didn’t agree with on the Bible and homosexuality, and I’m with Dan…he shouldn’t have bothered mentioning the snerts who ostentatiously got up and stomped out, but he was getting a lot of applause from the rest of the crowd.
Would it qualify as “bullying”? Of course not…ridiculous.
And the kids aren’t pansies…they’re poor brainwashed young sheeple who couldn’t produce any original ideation if someone waved a Twinkie in front of their noses. Sad.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/north-carolina-gay-marriage-amendment-1_n_1470956.html
Another “accidental” racist. But just because I SAID “Caucasian” doesn’t mean I had any racial IMPLICATIONS. 4 realz.
To me, dishonest journalists are folks who failed to vet or examine the least qualified presidential candidate in American history in 2008, and instead of focused on the #2 for the other party.
And speaking of vice-presidents, did everybody read that OBL had planned to assassinate 0bama, because he thought Biden was a total boob, completely incapable of running the country?
So the dishonest journalists in essence LIED to America by not vetting the entire Democrat ticket in 2008.
And today the dishonest journalists are ignoring 0bama’s predictably abysmal domestic and foreign records, ignoring the fact that the country is falling down around us, pretending like the jackass isn’t 100% over his in the job he’s in.
66/Dave Hicks…that’s interesting. The community I live in is a poorer one, working class folks almost exclusively. We don’t have the best utility services from private companies…such as really shoddy cable, no cable internet, no fiber optic (though a middle-mile line is being built a half-mile away that won’t serve us), no natural gas (though Atmos has a main line a half mile a way and a spur a quarter mile away), a power grid that even AEP said needed to be upgraded…but hasn’t, and only recently were we able to obtain DSL from Verizon. In terms of the roads, several need repaving or at least some form of improvements since they’re not wide enough for 2 cars to pass. We got some of the road chip-sealed and others covered with an asphalt slurry…but no physical geometric fixes. VDOT plow truck drivers say our community is the worst one in the county to handle. Steep, narrow roads, lots of hairpin curves, and often steep drops off the shoulders. Usually, we’re the last to get plowed because VDOT hopes the snow melts first. Thankfully, one neighbor uses his plow blade on his pick-up to clear a path and another has used his Bobcat loaded to help with driveways.
The federal government is charged with defending the country, not redistributing our money. The Pentagon is supposed to get the money. The poor are supposed to support themselves, not sponge off the government.
“holding me up” can be interpreted as robbery(as in a “hold up”) which is what her son was doing when he was killed.
Henry@2:24
Actually, I tolerate their mindlessness just fine. I didn’t say that they have no right to state their false and uninformed opinions. On the contrary they do. They also have the right to vote. My post was entirely in response to M. Howdyshell and Suzie who portrayed poor and less educated citizens as incapable of voting and proposed that they be denied the right to vote. This of course, was because they voted for Democrats
and were smart enough to see that voting against their own economic interests was and is a bad isea. They are too ignorant and uneducated to vote. Well that shoe fits on other feet equally as well. That condescending, only people who own property, or only people who pay FEDERAL income taxes should be able to vote is hogwash. As is your post.
Yo Henry,
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution indeed tasks the federal government with providing for the common defense. But by a longshot, that’s not ALL it does. Among other things, it tasks Congress with providing for the general welfare.
You might want to reread it if you haven’t in awhile. You might learn something.
#73 Pay attention, Chuck, suzie is the one who’s been attacking spelling for no reason recently. I’m just poking a little fun at her (and a tiny bit at terps).
#73 For example, Chuck, check out #75 below yours. We’ll wait for your comment to suzie about changing the subject now.
I predict we’ll hear crickets instead.
Dan@4:24
Fat chance of that happening. Henry is still in 2006 with 4% unemployment and King george on the throne.
#80 I get your point now, Henry, but I thought nothing of it at all when I read it because I understood what she actually meant.
As for the purpose of the federal government, as Dan says, it’s not just for defense. And there are plenty of private companies and even states sponging off the military.
#70 “unless they are with some bogus “green” company.”
Or some defense contractor charging 5 times the value of a product or just flat-out stealing cash.
As for the purpose of the federal government, as Dan says, it’s not just for defense. And there are plenty of private companies and even states sponging off the military.
Not sure how selling something or performing a service in exchange for pay constitutes “sponging” unless, again, it is a bogus company like Solyndra.
Fat chance of that happening. Henry is still in 2006 with 4% unemployment and King george on the throne
I think all of America wishes it was 2006 again. A booming economy and a president who knew how to conduct a war with fewer casualties than the clueless moron in the WH now.
If I could go back in time, though. I would put Frank and Dodd in shackles so we could have gotten in there and stopedp the bad loans to unqualified minority applicants. That would have saved us from the whol economic crisis.
#78 most ill-informed: Because you and many of your cohorts, conservatives, RWers, and Teabaggers on this blog tend to get their “facts” by listening to or watching Fox News, let’s review Fox News’ more recent lies from their “journalistic” endeavors:
☻Dana Perino’s LIE About Diane Sawyer’s Interview with Mitt Romney
http://foxnewslies.net/?p=720
☻Steve Doocy’s LIE About President Obama’s “Silver Spoon” Comment
The Lie? On the April 19th, 2012 edition of Fox and Friends,
http://foxnewslies.net/?p=658
☻Mike Huckabee’s Lie about President Obama Being a Foreign Student
The Lie? During the January 20th, 2012 edition
http://foxnewslies.net/?p=658
The Fox-bots on here are regularly ridiculed because they’ll link to Fox – the most disreputable group of “info-tainers” – they cannot possibly even be referred to as “journalists”. It is normally smart to check anything produced and broadcasted from Faux News – their misinformation keeps snopes.com and foxnewslies.net in business.
#74 most ill-informed: you did not present all the information, you picked and chose what you could to eh-hem, “flavor” your outcome. George W. Bush’s wars, in their entirety, belong to him…President Obama inherited them. He follows what generals suggested as a timeline to leave safely. Your guy made up a reason to go into Iraq, President Obama ended combat in Iraq is.
Your guy put us there, and President Obama will get us out. Your guy left us with bin Laden still alive, President Obama killed him.
Your guy was unable to dismantle or disrupt al-Qaeda, by all accounts, they are in disarray and without a leader.
Obama – Biden 2012: GM is alive, bin Laden is dead.
You can’t dispute that…
Suzie writes: “…freeloading lazy-butt people who leech off the system without paying federal income taxes SHOULDN’T have the voting privilege.”
According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, in 2010, a married couple filing jointly didn’t have to pay any income taxes if their income was less than $18,700 – That would be any family, where one person works a full time job, making $9.00 an hour or less. I’d venture to say there are millions of families in that situation. These folks are the working poor. You call them freeloaders?
Nontaxable returns from people with income between $75,000 and $100,000 went from 4,025 in 1996 to 476,624 in 2009 — an increase of almost 12,000%.
And, sadly, more than 1,400 millionaires didn’t pay any income taxes in 2009. Now THESE are the true freeloaders.
gdad, perhaps you should pay attention. I don’t get involved in the whole suzie soap-opera. You self-proclaimed more enlightened types are the ones who let her dominate the blog. You decry her as a liar, troll , etc. yet you continue to engage. Brilliant!
And BTW. Don’t think I didn’t notice that you did it again. You did it with more subtlety this time, but you still did it. A perfect example of yet another liberal not being able to counter the assertion so instead you go after the poster. It’s fast becoming a classic liberal move.
“Facts? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts. We’ll just attack the opposition and ignore their argument.”
“Miriam says:
@22 & 23 – I think that’s a fabulous idea. I promise to eat steaks if they are cooked. I will also be in charge of drinking some beer and stalking away a reasonable downwind distance to smoke. I also vow to sit in a shady spot and laugh. And I’ll bring the paper plates. And napkins.
Do it!!!!!!!!
Posted on May 3rd, 2012″
I’ll stalk away with you for the smoke breaks, Miriam!
I’ll bring the Solo cups, but I’m bringing blue ones, not red.
Just out of curiosity, how many of you folks are 420-friendly, either in theory or practice?
Screwzie, between your prolific posting today and your many spelling errors, the kids molested by the Catholic pervs will enjoy a pretty good donation at the end of the month. And all along I thought you didn’t care…..
#74 most ill-informed: you did not present all the information, you picked and chose what you could to eh-hem, “flavor” your outcome.
The only comparison we can make between Bush and Idiot Boy on the wars is how they handled them their first terms. We know how Bush’s second term went. A victorious war in Iraq, despite unbelievable criticism from the unpatriotic left. I agree it is impossible to predict how 0bama will f*ck up in his second term. So I took the first term info for each. 0bama is by far the bigger butcher with what will be 800 casualties more on his hands than Bush had.
Hope that clears it up for you.
“Among other things, it tasks Congress with providing for the general welfare.
You might want to reread it if you haven’t in awhile. You might learn something”
You might take that advice yourself Dan. Think about it while you’re re-reading the 10th Amendment . . . you know, that pesky part about the powers that aren’t delgated to the United States by the Constituion being reserved to the States.
Richard
You don’t have a blue what you are talking about so I won’t comment on your ignorance. I will say my political social and economic opinions were formed at a very you’ve age by parents, aunts uncles and grandparents who were at one rime southern democrats. My political views have nothing to do with my personal status. I do agree with you about the wannabees. Please read The Millionaire Next Door. They refer to that as ” big hats no cattle”
“You decry her as a liar, troll , etc. yet you continue to engage. Brilliant!”
One of the rare instances I actually agree with Chuck. Why do you people continue to feed this simpering twit?
According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, in 2010, a married couple filing jointly didn’t have to pay any income taxes if their income was less than $18,700 – That would be any family, where one person works a full time job, making $9.00 an hour or less. I’d venture to say there are millions of families in that situation. These folks are the working poor. You call them freeloaders?
What you are describing is a couple where one works at Subway and the other doesn’t work. That situation is not sustainable without taxpayer help. These folks are receiving far more than they are putting in. They don’t deserve a say as to how much greater contributors have to pay.
Sorry.
Just out of curiosity, how many of you folks are 420-friendly, either in theory or practice?
Comment by Contrasuzie — May 3, 2012 @ 6:05 pm
I must not be one of them because I don’t know what 420 friendly is.
Oysters in the summer?
Where are your traditional values, Ron?
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How’bout some crabs?????
Comment by Dave Hicks — May 3, 2012 @ 1:48 pm
Dave,
My son produces cultivated oysters pretty much year round. Not just the months with “R” in them. I don’t have access as directly with Chesapeake Bay Blue Crabs, but wouldn’t object to some crab cakes or soft shell crabs.
#96 – most ill-informed: you would have to wait for all 8 years to do a comparison between the two presidents for an equal comparison…not the first years. If we project that very few American soldiers will die in Iraq in 2013, and compare that against the fourth year of Bush, Bush would lose – as we have pulled our troops from there – that would be an unfair comparison.
You do this very often, you pick a year GWB had some non-negative numbers in the economy or unemployment,etc and compare them to President Obama…that is called picking and choosing. Wait for this President’s two terms [which he will have] then make your comparisons. Until then, fudging the numbers just makes you look disingenuous at best.
By any standard, [including conservative Wall Street Journal] GWB was a failure…just learn to live with it and move on for goodness sakes…
“You decry her as a liar, troll , etc. yet you continue to engage. Brilliant!”
This creeps me out to say, but….sometimes I think these leftwing guys get some weird sexual thing out of it. It’s like they like to be slapped around a little TOO much.
Ron @59 – where do you stay when up at Lake George?
We have a tentative trip in June – then to Cobleskill…I love the Adirondacks…spent most summers up there…
Suzie, you are just plain creepy.
Sorry.
I don’t care if people smoke it. But I don’t like it — that’s me. Now, if you had asked if I was 419 friendly, the answer would have been YES!
Okay, I’ll bite, 419?
Be sure to get to Kirk Avenue tomorrow night to support ‘da Blue here in the Valley. Free admission, BBQ and drinks for sale, Blue Cadilac is the band! Supports the BlueRidge Blues Society.
Re: Comment by Dan Casey — May 3, 2012 @ 4:24 pm
Dan, Dan, Dan,
Don’t you know that to the RW promoters of a plutocratic oligarchy believe that the “general welfare clause” only means that the goverment is to protect them (in their opinion the First Class citizens) by whatever methods of systematic planning or action (including handouts of bread and circuses or, OTHO force) required to keep the second class “subjects” in line and avoid (violent of peacefully political at the balotbox) revolution against the RWers excesses.
Hillary,
My wife’s family have a lake house in Bolton Landing. As my grandad said once, “Boy, you married up.”
I enjoy the Adirondacks as well. My wife & I will celebrate our 42nd anniversary later this year. We’ve spent a week there every summer since about 1975. I’m just a southern Indiana farm kid.
For the uninitiated:
420 refers to the time of the weekday when the staff of High Times magazine would take a break and go up on the roof to smoke pot.
419 is a reference to 4.19, aka April 19. April 19, 1943 is a historic day for planet Earth. That was the day that Albert Hoffmann, a Swiss chemist, got a little bit of an ergot derivative on his fingers as he was investigating it for potential medical uses. He proceeded to ride his bicycle home, and that ride turned into quite a trip.
The substance, according to his nomenclature, was LSD-25, because it was the 25th different substance he had created from lysergic acid, a derivative of the fungus ergot, which grows naturally on grain.
In common parlance, it was LSD, or acid, and that was the first trip in human history. The world hasn’t been the same since. April 19 is known round the world as Bicycle Day, in honor of Hoffmann’s great adventure — and discovery.
Your humble moderator is quite 419 friendly, because he remember it fondly from his youth. Unlike 420.
Re: Comment by Ron — May 3, 2012 @ 6:52 pm
Ron,
I hope you know I was just pulling your leg, a bit.
FWIIW, I understand the not in the months with “R” had to do with the lack of adequate refrigeration in days of yore.
Thanks for explaining that for me Dan. Now I understand why I get called “square” from time to time.
Ron, this might be random but is the Sagamore in that town?
Good news indeed!
http://tinyurl.com/7akbngf
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Good news for farm families
by Walter Olson on May 3, 2012
As I relate in a post at Cato at Liberty, the Obama Labor Department has withdrawn a far-reaching proposal that would have banned much or most work done by kids on farms, even work for their own family members (a narrow exemption would have remained in cases where parents were the sole owners of a farmstead). The proposals drew a huge outcry from rural America.
SNIP
If it seems impossibly extreme to forbid 15-year-olds from feeding chickens at a neighboring farm owned by their aunt, be aware that many groups organized around the fine-sounding mission of ending “child labor” would like to institute bans that go even further. For example, an NGO by the name of Global March Against Child Labor (represented in Washington, D.C. here) supported the DoL rules and declares itself “of the view that child labour in agriculture should not be allowed in any part of the world and in any form-whether as family labour or as hired labour.”
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FWIIW, I did age-appropriate farm work as a kid and it didn’t hurt me at all.
To add to the discussion about who should vote. I think we’ve settled that argument in the courts sometime ago. However, I think we should do everything we can to increase the voting turnout. For example, all elections should occur on weekends instead of on whatever Tuesday happens to be in the right sequence. Also, we should adopt the Australian system of fining people for not voting. They regularly have more than 98% turnout. Lastly, we should do away with the electoral college in presidential elections.
There are other suggestions I have for our political process, but I’ll leave those for another day.
Dave,
Yes, I understood. The best week my son had this past year was Superbowl Week when he shipped more oysters than he had ever shipped in a week to wholesalers in New York & Boston which were the two NFL cities involved in the Superbowl. He works hard and I kid him that he is continuing the family tradition of farming. Of course he farms in water instead of dirt.
Kristen,
My wife’s family home at Bolton Landing is immediately next door to the public access point for the Lake George in Bolton Landing. The Sagamore is just across the lake about half a mile away by water. We’ve spent several New Year’s Eves there as well. A few times we actually walked across the ice covered lake to have dinner at the restaurant at the Hotel. We always take a cab back though.
It’s a great area and I really enjoy spending time there.
#93 Chuck, bud, I have no knowledge whatsoever of Elizabeth Warren, which was the original topic brought up by terps, and I have absolutely no opinion about her. ONCE AGAIN, I was merely ribbing da suze because SHE jumps on spelling without addressing the topic. Not addressing the topic — the same thing you seem mighty upset at me for.
I’m not real sure why you care about it if you don’t pay any attention to the troll show. What does it matter to you whether or not I address Elizabeth Warren and whether or not she has American-Indian heritage? Is this a vital topic to you?
“For years, religious conservatives, despite their hatred for the poor and sick, have been denouncing atheists, agnostics, and those they feel are less religious, such as liberals, as being godless heathens who are destroying the morality of America. A new study, however, finds that less religious people are actually more compassionate and generous than highly religious people.
In a study published in the latest edition of Social Psychological and Personality Science journal, researchers performed three experiments and concluded that highly religious people are apparently more stingy with money and less compassionate overall than those who are less religious.”
Interesting little article:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/02/study-reveals-atheists-are-more-compassionate-and-generous-than-highly-religious-people/
Fellow Conservatives:
A little something I’ve learned that you might make use of when posting on Dan’s blog.
With the exception of one or two of them, most posters on this blog have no idea what is happening in the Country. While telling US that we get all of our news from FOX and Rush..and in MY case WND, they never seem to have any knowledge outside of the “Left wing talking points, what the lame stream media reports, what the Roanoke Times reports, and in many cases it appears that if Dan Casey hasn’t reported it, it didn’t happen.
I learned this when Dan posted what was said at the debate, when I was actually there to HEAR it and knew that in at least 2 cases, he was totally off the mark. I accused him of ( lies 2 truth 1).
When in acuality it was
1 little white lie that he admitted when he got “called on” it.
1 rant based on ignorance. He had no idea that 1 school took a kid’s healthy lunch, said it didn’t meet their standards of a healthy lunch, and replaced a turkey and cheese sandwich, with apple juice, with some chicken tenders from the cafeteria. Also, he didn’t know that one school was actually considering doing away with the practice of letting the kids eat any home packed lunches at all. Since we have a FEDERAL Department of Education that controls what goes on in all of the schools in the US, he thinks we are crazy for thinking that if ONE shool gets away with it, it would soon become a Federal Mandate. When this was explained to him..he still didn’t have a “light-bulb” moment of “Oh, so THAT is what she was talking about”..he prefers to double down on the ignorance and call Jaime Radtke a loon…and the sheeple follow along behind….except for the ones who tried to give reasons that not allowing home packed lunches is a GOOD idea!! Of those, I respect that, when they didn’t do it by throwing in an insult, I tried to consider their point, can understand it but can’t agree with it..and I just chalk that up to us not being able to “think” the same about freedom, government overreach etc.
Anyway, my point is….I kind of had a light bulb moment myself at that time….THEY DON’T KNOW what’s going on in the Country, whether it is because they don’t CARE to find out, it’s too much trouble…it’s MUCH easier to rely on The Roanoke Times to give all the news, they don’t WANT to know, it’s much easier to hide their eyes and pretend that nothing is happening, they don’t want to buck the crowd….I don’t know, I can only speculate.
Anyhoo, you can’t ASSUME that they know ANYTHING.. you have to take them by the hand and lead them to the “story”, and explain how it relates to them. If they still find an excuse to hide their eyes from the truth, well you have done all you can do. As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink…so, let’s lead the “horses to water”, maybe SOME of them will drink..but, of course, don’t expect them to ever TELL you they have.
Which brings me to my next post….
Ah back at my desk top! Sorry about the type “O” s today. Smart phone dumb user. Dave you make me chuckle, my wife laughed and said “he does not know the half of it”. My mentor whom I have known since my late teens laughed and said “see Michael I have told you that you are an elitist for 30 years. ” He and his wife were fairly prominent here in town but have retired and moved away, we talk every day. I’m not an elitist, although I was a Fraternity Man and I’m a Free Mason a lot of folks think both have elitist ideas. If you know me you know I have worked hard and have no problem putting on boots and blue jeans and doing it again when necessary. I will do almost anything to help people who are willing to help themselves, but folks who make stupid decisions and won’t try to work hard and be responsible I have little or no use for. I’m the first to admit I have had a lot of people, family and others that took a special interest in helping me succeed. One thing that anyone who knows me will say is that I always have worked very hard.
Richard I would love to know where you went to school and if you were Greek?? Sorta doubt it, but curious just what kind of school would graduate a man such as you. I have shared many times undergraduate degree University of Tennessee, MBA Avertt University.
Suzi
I understand why you lose your cool with some of the bloggers. There are those; Dan, Kristen, Debbie and Gdad, and even Sandi most of the time that while I know they disagree with me and I with them we manage to stay away from personal attacks, and on top of that I really like Kristen and Gdad as we focus on what we agree on as opposed to what we disagree on. Then there are others Dave, Richard just to name a few that just beg for us to take the gloves off, and you do and your good at it. Although sometimes its like they bring a knife to a gunfight. There is one blogger that personally attacked me that I won’t even acknowledge that he/she exist ever again. In my world that person no longer exist. A couple are getting very close to having that honor.
#121 This from a birther tinfoil-hat wingnut?
LOL
Actually, Sharon N, I did know that one school, in the entire United States, had taken a kid’s turkey-sandwich lunch and replaced it with chicken tenders, nuggets, whatever.
It was a story in the newspaper in NC, that got picked up and splashed by Drudge into something that was way bigger than it really was. It was one dumb school worker in 1 school and it happened to 1 kid. There are millions of schoolchildren and tens of thousands of schools where hundreds of thousands of people work. In other words, it was an exceedingly rare exception, not the rule.
And Jamie Radtke took that story, and twice implied to the crowd at that debate that 1) the federal government was responsible for that; 2) this was a frequent occurrence; and 3) she would put and end to that and protect parents “rights” to pack their own children’s lunches.
What a bunch of hooey that was. And from that, I concluded that she was either 1) ignorant; or 2) willing to mislead voters with that BS for her own advantage. And I would not want either representing me in as a Senator from Virginia.
In recounting this, I made a small mistake that I admitted (subbing Virginia for the U.S. or something like that). You were right about that, but not about the rest. I didn’t lie, despite your claims that I did.
.THEY DON’T KNOW what’s going on in the Country, whether it is because they don’t CARE to find out, it’s too much trouble…it’s MUCH easier to rely on The Roanoke Times to give all the news, they don’t WANT to know, it’s much easier to hide their eyes and pretend that nothing is happening, they don’t want to buck the crowd
Very well put, Sharon. That’s it in a nutshell. Mostly, they don’t know the truth, and if told, they don’t care. They aren’t going to change their POV. “None are so blind as they who will not see .”
Wingnuts are terrified of Elizabeth Warren and will stop at nothing to discredit her. That tells me she’s the woman for the job.
Ron, what an awesome picture!! It is nice to know that your college hasn’t bought into the big lie that the Government is telling us about farms being “toxic”.
Kristen, I commend you for trying to do what’s best for your family’s health by buying meat off the farm. We used to do that too when I was growing up, as well as eggs, sweet corn ( because we could never grow ENOUGH of that, wink) and my Mother has always loved tending a big garden and canning or freezing her produce.
But Come ON Guys!! Get with the program!! This is not “green” according to our Government, farmers are a threat to the planet!! It is MUCH more “green” to buy food from foreign farmers and have it sent here by boat, rather than trucked from local farms…less of a carbon footprint that way..don’tcha know. Is it safer? no. Cheaper? no. More healthy to rely on food grown Lord knows how than to buy it from a local farmer that you know and trust?…not that I can see. But..that is the way it is….we have to protect the planet from those evil cow and pig farts, not to mention of course, the methane gas…or having to supply water to the actual animals or grow the crops etc, that is just NOT “sustainable” Let’s hope the farmer you get your meat from isn’t one of the ones to be singled out and “crucified” to keep the other farmer’s in line.
And if you think the EPA is bad, the FDA considrs it “Criminal” for farmers to sell their food themselves. Haven’t you heard about the ARMED raids made on the Whole Food stores for selling raw milk and on the farmers who supply it? OMG!! we just can’t let people decide that they want to drink raw milk!! ( if you want links, I can provide them.)
But, ya know, what caught my notice was when you all started talking about having a cookout/picnic and have Ron supply the steaks. Guys, don’t let the FDA see you mention that..you can’t DO that….it is strictly “FORBODEN”!!!
Yea, I haven’t see it happen here in Roanoke..yet. Probably because your Republican majority won’t let it….but I sure hope that what happened to THIS farmer doesn’t happen to you. Unless, of course, it would be the catalyst to WAKE YOUR BUTTS UP!!! to what our Country is becomming.
http://www.naturalnews.com/034125_food_freedom_picnic.html
I knew that didn’t “look” right. Make that “VERBODEN”..LOL…I’m not even sure that’s right…oh well, you know what I mean.
Yea, I was trying to be cute, I admit it…and I will laugh right along with you if I STILL didn’t get it right.
Sharon N,
There’s no law against grilling steaks from an Indiana farm at Loch Haven (which by the way is an independent republic with its own Constitution).
Dan, GOSH…..do I have to hold your hand and lead you to the trough?
Yes that one incident happened at that one school…but where did the school get the idea of doing that to begin with?
A “regular” on your blog gave you a link to a whole school who wants to go one better..FORBID home packed lunches, period. Was it Chicago? What the heck good ever comes out of Chicago…but, that is beside the point.
WE have a FEDERAL Department of Education which mandates that all students be treated the same, NATIONWIDE, what is so far out about thinking that it is just the first step in making that a rule for ALL schools?
Jaime Radtke was pointing out that a Federal Department of Education can dictate even down to what your child can and can’t eat for lunch..when it gets THAT powerful…it’s time to get rid of it…if she is elected, she will work to DO that.
Is this so hard to understand? PLEASE tell me that you are purposely being obtuse, and trying to be funny..NOT that you truly don’t “get” this. Because if you don’t get it…I truly overestimated your intelligence.
What I am wondering now though, is if you are going to explain to your son what she meant by that statement, or are you going to continue to let him think that she just pulled the school lunch idea out of her arse…you can tell him you don’t agree with her …but, I would think that allowing him the opportunity to make an “INFORMED” decision on his own would be a better way of showing that you “don’t tell him what to think”..rather than let him continue to think that comment came out of nowhere, because Republicans are crazy that way.
RE: your comment of 12:39..I doubt there was a law on the books against it in Nevada either.
Sharon N,
It was one idiot at one school. It is not federal policy, as Jamie Radtke suggestion. She can’t “save” us from something that doesn’t exist. If she believes that exists she’s as bad as the person who took the child’s lunch. If she doesn’t, she’s misleading other dummies. Either way is bad.
Sharon, your thought processes should be verboten.
Sharon N, if the federal gov’t considers local farms criminal, why are farmers markets growing by leaps and bounds? As for raw milk, people have died from consuming it. There is a reason why pastuerization exists.
Some info for you, Sharon N.
http://www.realrawmilkfacts.com/
From the link below-”At least one major retailer, Whole Foods Markets Inc., is pulling raw milk from its shelves in four states, citing high costs for liability insurance because of the potential risks of selling raw milk and different state regulations that make it a challenge to create a national raw milk standard for its stores. State officials in Connecticut linked a 2008 outbreak of the bacterial infection E. coli 0157 to raw milk sold by a dairy that supplied a Whole Foods store there.”
Selling it is not worth the risk to them, if people get seriously ill. They do not want to be held responsible. Common business sense 101.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304370304575151663770115120.html
BTW Sharon N, IMO the “water” you want to lead us to, is a mirage.
Michael Howdyshell – VA Tech. Only Greek entity I had time for was Beta Alpha Psi.
Michael Howdyshell – apparently I was also a member of Kappa Theta Epsilon but I have not kept up with it.
Here’s an early weekend present for my right leaning friends; the Old Dominion is trending very strongly blue lately. The latest poll has President Obama squashing Romney by 7 points.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/post-poll-obama-leads-romney-as-campaigns-converge-on-virginia/2012/05/03/gIQAgH1hzT_story.html
Have a great weekend, everyone!
Oh say can you see
there are more steaks for me.
Steak as a noun may be Verboten, for you
as a meat.
But for me, a 16 ouncer and ein bisschen
heat.
“0bama is by far the bigger butcher”
Suzie admits Bush to be a “Butcher”
Pathetic. To be a bigger butcher their has to be a littler butcher, right?
#128 Good lord, Sharon, I wasn’t aware that the feds had wiped out all U.S. farms. Can you tell me what those places are that I drive by that have cattle grazing in fields or huge rows of green plants growing? What about those expanses of land with rows of trees with edible looking material dangling? I’m sure you can help me.
#128 “It is nice to know that your college hasn’t bought into the big lie that the Government is telling us about farms being “toxic”.
BTW, Sharon, if you have honestly been brainwashed into thinking this is so unusual, take a quick trip up the road to Virginia Tech and you can watch cows graze, crops being grown, orchards being tended — and some of it financed by government money. Seriously, Sharon, government employees URGING farmers to farm and helping them to find better ways to do it. And also helping localities set up markets where local farmers can sell their wares directly to the consumer. Go to the famers’ markets in Roanoke, Salem, Blacksburg and many other places to find the same thing.
Yeah, I know, it’s pretty awful that the government would require these people to meet some sort of minimal health codes. It WOULD be infinitely better if they’d just let the growers poison people.
Sharon, sometimes I really do think you’re a loon.
#139 Steve C, this poll is obviously biased. Once it starts showing Romney winning, it won’t be biased any more. I have that straight from susie.
And, sadly, more than 1,400 millionaires didn’t pay any income taxes in 2009. Now THESE are the true freeloaders.
I already answered that, hon. If you aren’t paying into the system that particular year, you don’t vote. All these libs agreeing with me, but they want so badly to be adversarial.
Suzie, you are just plain creepy.
Sounds like Lynda is jealous Ronnie Van Zant hit on me and not her.
If this idea / bill spreads to Virginia, it would change this blog — big time.
http://tinyurl.com/7co3os4
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Nearly Half the New York Assembly Republicans: Require Deletion of Anonymous Comments Whenever Anyone Complains
Eugene Volokh • May 3, 2012 11:54 pm
Twenty-three of the forty-nine New York Assembly Republicans, plus one Independent and one Democrat, introduced this bill last Fall but just “unveiled” it yesterday:
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It’s not clear what it means to “confirm” that one’s IP address, legal name, and home address are accurate; but at the very least, this bill would require a Web site administrator — me, for instance, if I were found to subject to New York jurisdiction — to remove any comment unless the commenter signs his name to it.
Nor would this be limited to comments that allegedly libel someone, or even insult someone (though that would be bad enough), despite all the talk of preventing cyber-bullying by the bill’s backers. Rather, the law would apply any time anyone makes a “request” that a comment be removed, even if the comment doesn’t mention anyone by name but is simply religiously or politically offensive to the “request[er].” The same would apply to anonymous material added to Wikipedia, if Wikipedia were found to be subject to New York jurisdiction, anonymous videos posted to YouTube, and so on.
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Not a big Tech guy Richard, most family went to UVa although I do have a few cousins and a niece that could not get into UVa so they went to Tech, I could not get into UVa either probably could not get in to Tennessee now. Tech is a pretty conservative school, my brother in law is a CPA from Tech and he is very conservative. You may be the only liberal I’m acquainted with from Tech. What went wrong with you? and why the personal attacks, can’t you stick to the issues?
“Suzie says:
Sounds like Lynda is jealous Ronnie Van Zant hit on me and not her.
Posted on May 4th, 2012″
Are you STILL in high school?
I just wrote a long post in response to Sharon and lost it to CAPTCHA, but suffice it to say that my family drinks raw milk and there’s nothing about the many problems in our food supply that the Right or Jamie Radtke is going to address or fix.
And yes the FDA is crap, but that’s completely due to the efforts on the behalf of Big Food to declaw it by underfunding it. And the Right isn’t going to fix that either.
Oh man! The only family members of Michael Howdyshell who went to Tech were those too dumb do get into UVa?
Ouch!
Michael Howdyshell just sent me this email, because he couldn’t get this comment through captcha on his smart phone:
“Not true and not nice. You are going to get a lot of my friends and relatives upset with me. I could not get in to Tech and I like Tech. Tech is a very good school, not quite as good as Tennessee or Virginia but a very good school and a great engineering school. Question their business school that would educate a liberal. Guess I’m going to have to go anonyms.”
My family is full of liberal Hokies grads. Where do you get that VT is mostly conservative stuff? According to guys like Newt and Santorum, most of the universities have a liberal agenda.
Kristen:
I hate when that happens, ( about the Captcha code). I imagine it’s happened to ALL of us, and I understand how frustrating it is when you write a long well thought out post, make all of your points and then lose it without the time or the motivation to type ALL of it over. In either case, I am sorry that I missed the whole long post, because I see we may be on the same wave-length…at least to a certain extent..and I am sure your longer post would have better explained to me exactly where and how we may differ, (if we actually do)
I’m wondering how you feel about Debbie just telling you that you need to be protected from yourself?
Not to pick on you personally Debbie, (if anything, you are one of the “regulars” who I feel is most likely to try and make INFORMED decisions) You are just the one who expressed exactly what the problem (as I see it) is..and expresses how the Government is taking away our personal liberty by telling us we are too stupid to weigh the risks vs. health benefits of drinking raw milk, for example..and make our own decisions.
Either THAT, or they are telling us that we have to give up our personal decisions because some other MORON might wander into the Whole foods store and pick up raw milk by accident and sue the store?
And you think that we are crazy for suggesting that we need to try to stem these ridiculous lawsuits because SOME people can’t see that steaming coffee is HOT, for example.
Didn’t you all used to giggle WITH us about these lawsuits, or the ridiculous labels that we have to put on everything, to try and foresee every contingency that the truly stupid could come up with to use the product incorrectly and we don’t want them to have the excuse…well, the label and/or the salesman didn’t TELL me that “cruise control” doesn’t mean that the car drives itself( for example)
I mean, we giggled because we couldn’t believe that someone would admit to being that stupid…but, we were shocked when the Court actually gave them a “voice” and the jury ruled in their favor. It’s no laughing matter when they get into court and ruin a business because the Jury fell for that BeeEss.
And it is even LESS funny when we see that we have given up our personal liberty because we feel we have to protect ourselves from stupid people.
Richard playing in a golf tournament with our CPA. Told him about you. His comment Liberal CPA? No wonder he has time to blog, no clients want a CPA that believes in higher taxes
Michael,
Have you asked your CPA if he is Suzie?
No client wants a CPA who dismisses Warren Buffet as a liberal just because Buffet advocates tax code fairness, which currently requires restoring the tax rates of 1996.
Michael, so your CPA buddy thinks the tax code is “fair and balanced”?
Dan
I can’t guarantee many bur one I van is our CPA does not moonlight as Suzi, he is not even from Roanpke
Guys, stop being ridiculous..of COURSE I know that there are still farms throughout the Country. DO you really think I am stupid enough to believe that they are just going to outlaw farms overnight? Would we stand for that?
No, they (the Government) are trying to convince the gullible that it is for our own good, we need to save the planet from MMGW…and they will do it in steps.
Did anyone actually think that a few years ago, we would have to arrive at the airport 2 hours early so we could go through the lines (like cattle) to get scanned or molested? Why do we put up with this” To keep us “safe” of course…but isn’t there a limit to what we are willing to put up with?
Terrorists attacked with PLANES on 9-11-01..so, all of a sudden we couldn’t TRUST local Security to keep us safe by just being “present” and with the authority to call suspicious people out for questioning…at AIRPORTS…and OMG, we needed to make sure that we couldn’t be accused of “racial Profiling”..so, even though our attackers were Arab men between the ages of 17 and 40…we needed to make sure that we questioned an equal number of blonde haired blue eyed “granny types”. Man, local security might even let someone slide if they KNOW them personally…we better bring in a GOVERNMENT AGENCY…TSA to the rescue.
Then we thought maybe it would be better to have everyone go through a metal detector, that would be safer and if we ALL did it, no worries about racial profiling…and of course we needed to have our luggage emptied and searched..and our shampoo, and toothpaste thrown out, as WELL as our razors and our lighters or anything sharp because, there are Liquid explosives too that our grannies might be hiding in their lotions or poligrip.
Then again, we have another Arab dude, put a plastic explosive in his shoe that wasn’t detected by the metal detector OR found in his luggage…so now, children, grannies and grandpas..you must remove your shoes, any embarrassement you might feel about corns, crooked toes or stinky feet be damned…take off your shoes!!!
UT oh…NEXT we have another Arab looking dude, place a plastic bomb in his groin area…Oh Damn!! What now??
WEll, it’s a good thing that there is some lobbyist in DC who has trying to peak our interest in these new body scanner contraptions that show people’s body under their clothes, we’ll just make it mandatory that everyone pass through those and put them in EVERY Airport..if we can’t get a clear picture for one reason or another from THAT!! or they absolutely refuse… We will have to pat them down….groin area included don’t ya know. Of course, under the circumstance of where THAT bomb WAS..we have no choice. And this means EVERYBODY of course, no one excluded..if we let Granny or Baby get by…the Muslims will tell us we are singling them out for extra scrutiny just because they are Muslims. Oh wait, you say that Muslim women are prohibited by their religion to exposing even an image of their bodies?…we might have to exclude them. But when it comes to Americans..modesty, dignity, and common sense be damned..make sure they ALL go through that scanner or be patted down, no exceptions.
OMG!!! Now we are seeing that Muslim suicide bombers are having bombs surgically implanted!!
Anyone want to loan me some money to invest in a company that makes..uh X-RAY machines??
This stuff creeps up on ya people, by sounding like a “good idea at the time”…but when do we draw the line? When do we say enough is enough? Do we wait until they are making us go through body scanners everytime we are on Public transportation or in a crowd?
If one wonders….well, we are putting up with ALL THIS CRAP at the AIRPORTS in an attempt to keep Muslim Suicide bombers out of our Country…why aren’t we taking the same precautions at our borders? There are more than Mexicans sneaking across that border…we are told…don’t be a “racist, heartless, paranoid,fear-monger.”
#98: “my political social and economic opinions were formed at a very you’ve(sic) age by parents, aunts uncles and grandparents who were at one rime(sic) southern democrats”
…said a RW blogger whose “love of history” either does not include awareness of mid-20th century political realignment in the U.S., or does not question what led to their shift.
A clue may be in the poster’s other declaration that :”I was a Fraternity Man and I’m a Free Mason”, which indicates that belonging to structured groups is important to the posters identity. Identity politics was the governing subtext of the political realignment of his family that he’s apparently reluctant to investigate.
“Fatha say-uhs we must suppo-art Guvnah Almond” still echoes in the ears of those afraid to question their identity, sixty years on.
Sharon, me making the call for myself and my family is different than undertaking liability as a corporation. Plus the product is illegal everywhere I think, which requires all sorts of convolutions.
I’d like to see the entire dairy supply treated as humanely and with the same level of attention ti hygiene as your average smallish farmer does, who understands how his practices fit into our food chain and effect public health. That would require a massive increase in the regulation and enforcement of food production standards Theres not much political or public will for it, sad to say.
In a study published in the latest edition of Social Psychological and Personality Science journal, researchers performed three experiments and concluded that highly religious people are apparently more stingy with money and less compassionate overall than those who are less religious.”
Oh cool. An extremely amateurish survey conducted by a nobody organization and published on a far-left extremist website, that just happens to contradict longstanding research and well as common sense.
#155 Come on, Michael, CPAs don’t mind higher taxes as long as there are plenty of loopholes for them to find for their clients. That’s part of what they get paid for. If we simplified the system too much, a portion of them would be out of work.
Richard playing in a golf tournament with our CPA. Told him about you. His comment Liberal CPA? No wonder he has time to blog, no clients want a CPA that believes in higher taxes
Bingo.
BTW, it seems like Dan is being awfully inhospitable to Michael who has defended him numerous times.
“Raw milk” “grass-fed beef” “free-range turkeys”
Blah, blah. I’ll bet these nuts who obsess about organic crap couldn’t make it one time around a track.
Just eat the right foods and exercise. Everything else is because you have too much time on your hands.
Michael I had to laugh at the picture in my mind of you and your CPA friend dinging Rick about wasting time blogging whilst spending 5-6 hours playing golf? LMAO
By all rights, accountants SHOULD desire a tax code that is complex and requires the services of an expert to minimize a taxpayer’s obligation. Because that’s how a lot of them make their money.
I like Michael, who I’ve already talked with once on the phone today.
(I also like to yank his chain. The same goes for terps).
I tend to agree with Bill Perdue, although there are lots of people who surely don’t consider golf a waste of time.
Here’s what I’d like to know: Does the fact that Michael’s on the links with his accountant make it a tax-deductible business expense? In other words, are taxpayers subsidizing their green fees?
Dan, great question! Michael must be quite the linkster. I saw him 2 Fridays ago at another golf tournament but didn’t get a chance to say hello.
Sharon N, Kristen and other adults who drink raw milk are free to do as they please. I just posted the facts about it. People have become very sick from it and a few have died. Did you read the Wall Street Journal link I posted? People are free to make their own decisions, but they should be informed of the good and the bad that can happen.
It’s not like years ago when families owned one or two cows for their families personal supply. These are large farms supplying stores, and E-coli and other bacterial problems happen. I agree with those who say it should not be given to young children. Adults can drink at their own risk. Kristen’s kids are teens, if she wants to buy it, it’s her choice. I don’t know where she buys her milk from, but obviously she’s had no problems and I hope she and her kids never do.
Who better than a CPA familiar with not only the tax code, and accounting practices, but the inherent inequity in it to speak on the subject? That is not about any one individual, industry or company. If you have a medical question, do you call your banker? When honesty bothers you, it might be you. For someone always ranting about insults, I think attacking or making fun of someone’s profession or professionalism is pretty low.
It is a good question, does your CPA believe the tax structure is “fair and balanced”?
And why is golfing superior to blogging as an activity?
Sharon N, do you think the FDA should exist at all? If certain foods are linked to an E-coli outbreak should grocery stores pull their supplies, or should they post signs saying buy at your own risk?
I buy a lot of my food from the farmers at the downtown market, and I don’t have health concerns with the food I buy from them. I trust family farmers, I do not trust factory farmed food.
Darn it..it just happened to ME Kriten and the BF is telling me to hurry up…..I’ll be back to type my response later.
I for one, am glad for the FDA – having one place that monitors things like a drug’s impact [paxil] or the possible effects of fish [mercury] on pregnancies, I believe is beneficial and may help prevent many birth defects. I hope the days of drugs such as thalidomide’s impact on the unborn are over through the diligence of those working at the FDA.
Actually I’m a lousy golfer play about 4 or 5is times a year. I don’t know Dan I was a guest. I spent more time blogging them hitting today. Did not play well
#166 I don;t know of anybody who eats or drinks organic things because they think it makes them run farther or faster, they do it because they think it tastes better and/or they like to avoid chemicals and all the artificial crap that goes into most of our food.
Yet another strawman from suzie.
Crap!! It happened again…I did the usual copy and then paste type of thing, and what pasted was an earlier response that I thought I had deleted..I give up for tonight and Chili Cook Off is the plan for tomorrow…so, I will re re-type my answer tomorrow sometime, maybe…as soon as I get time.
Have a Good night all.
I would never drink raw milk and I have now stopped eating red meat. My suspicion is, if they found one or two or three cows with mad cow disease…. there must be others…. and since they don’t test each and every single cow, I refuse to take that gamble.
My wife, Donna, is with Lynda K, Ever since mad cow happened in Britain, she has refused to bring red meat into the house.
Sometimes I buy a reduced-price steak in the brown meat section at the supermarket (where they charge less but ought to be charging more because the meat’s a lot more tender). And on rare occasions when dining out I’ve ordered a burger. Other than that, it’s chicken and fish for us and sometimes pork.We don’t miss the beef.
SharnN@1:15 PM
“I understand how frustrating it is when you erite a long and well thought out post….” I’m sure you understand how frustragting it is when you write a long post. Most of yours are 275% longer than those written by almost anybody else. But well thought out? That stream of consciousness style ehibits little thought, just rambliong musings that usually make no sense. So don’t hurt yopurself hurrying back to write something that most people will ignore anyway.
“Dan Casey says:
Sometimes I buy a reduced-price steak in the brown meat section at the supermarket (where they charge less but ought to be charging more because the meat’s a lot more tender).”
My husband used to call that the ‘Used Beef’ section.
Michael – I was accepted by UVA and invited into their secret society and to live on the lawn but decided Tech was the better accounting school. Sorry you could not get in, perhaps you would have a better understanding of economics and taxes.
I do appreciate your concern about my welfare, but, as you have noticed, I am doing well enough to do what I want to do. Perhaps you will get there some day.
I enjoy playing golf and have for a long time. I have a double digit handicap, but I still enjoy it. I can also say that I’ve raised a lot of money there than other more traditional places to do so. Having a prospective donor on the golf course gives you much more time to explain the many reasons he/she should financially support your institution.
Geez, you people are more paranoid than preppers.
I support the FDA too,Hillary. I only wish the gov’t would make the dept. larger and stronger. I seriously doubt that will ever happen though.
Michael – Of course, maybe I have more time to spend on the blog because I work a little faster than you and Monkey Troll’s CPA buddies. I started that in high school playing sports, working a full time job, and being an honor student. Did not go Greek in college because I worked a job on the weekends, graduated a year early, and remained an honor student passing the CPA exam in May of my senior year. Started my own practice at 24 after having worked for the IRS and a Big 4 accounting firm. I have been on the board of directors of the VSCPA and the VSCPA Education Foundation, am an AICPA Ambassador, teach for VA Tech’s Tax Conference each year, am a CPA, CMGA, PFS, and a CITP. been published and have business locations in Roanoke and Hilton Head. Now you know my resume, I assume you will stop worrying about me now.
Richard J. Beason,
If you never enrolled at UVA, then you were never invited into a UVA secret society nor were you invited to live on the lawn. Lawn rooms are reserved for 4th year undergrad students and require application and acceptance. They are generally awarded to outstanding and meritorious students. What is this “secret society” you speak of? There are several, and again, you would never have been tapped for one if you didn’t enroll at the University.
NRV – At the time I was recruited and told that I would be invited for both. Certainly, you have to maintain your grades to meet the requirements. As for the secret society it had to do with Jefferson is all I remember, that was a long time ago.
BF doesn’t feel good, may or may not get to Chili Cook off…so, maybe, I ‘ll try again now.
From what you both have said….it seems all three of us are on the very same page. We all trust our local farmers to provide the best and safest food, much more so than the Big Agri-businesses or Factory Farms.
The difference? You both have at least hinted that MORE regulation is needed from the FDA. I say that MUCH LESS is needed.
Debbie, to answer your question, Yes, I do feel that we need the FDA, of course we do!! We could debate about whether they are doing a good JOB in what they are appointed to do…but we can discuss that later if we want. (wink) Right now, we’ll just talk about food and farms.
We need the FDA to set, monitor, and regulate Food Safety Standards for the Factory Farms, as you call them, who have a national or global market. The food that goes on the shelves of all our normal everyday Supermarkets and Grocers all over the Country.. for all of the reasons that you both mentioned. I agree with that.
My question is WHY do they have to regulate the small “Family Farms” who sell their goods by way of the farmer’s Market, roadside stands, or the Natural Foods Co-op or Whole Food Stores, or by way of private sale, LOCALLY at ALL?
Yep, I don’t think they need to be regulated AT ALL!!! They are LOCAL!! There has never been a national epidemic or recall of ANY foods sold LOCALLY, Nothing from the Farmer’s Market has had to be recalled, nothing from the National Food Co-op has ever caused a national outbreak of illness. When you go buy half a cow, or raw milk…you can see for yourself what the cows have been fed, the condition of the farm, how many cows thay have and if they are adequately housed,if any of them are sick…etc. If you buy it from the Natural Foods Co-op…all of their items like milk, eggs, meat.. are labeled as to exactly which Farm/Creamery they came from…check them out for yourself if you want to. THERE is nowhere SAFER to buy your food than from the Farmer himself.
Lynda K..if you miss your steaks..run on down to the natural Food Co-op and get some…they are MUCH more expensive, ( which brings me to another rant that I won’t get into now.)…but, you can have your steak every once in while without worrying about Mad Cow disease.
For GENERATIONS, we have been buying produce from roadside stands, farmer’s markets etc…and we have ALWAYS known that they were not “FDA Inspected” in other words we have been “buying them at our own risk” for all this time and I’ve never heard of any problems with that.
Why “fix” something that isn’t broken?
@ 188. Richard, I think a cha ching is in order.