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Hey Dan
RT had a great article on Bobby Thompson today. I never knew he had so much in common with Elizabeth Warren. Looks like they both faked being indians when they needed some money.
I prefer the CSN&Y version too.
Speaking of Elizabeth Warren, the Boston Herald has a devastating article today written by a woman and former law student at Harvard who raved about how much both liberal and conservative students loved her as a teacher. However, the deception by Warren and Harvard on the matter of Affirmative Action is undeniable.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?&articleid=1061131349&format=&page=2&listingType=opi
Terps, you seriously need to learn the meaning of “devastating”. That was not even close.
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Sandi
At my company, if an employee is caught putting false information on a job application, they are fired. The article is “devastating” because it clearly shows that Warren must have been aware of the lie. I hate cheaters, whether they are democrats or republicans…and you should too.
I’m with ya in spirit, Terps, but Sandi Mays is right. The article was a letdown. I wanted to see Warren hoppin’ on one foot around a campfire and drinking firewater.
“terps” STILL believes the head of the Cherokee Nation deserves to be mocked as not being Native-American enough: Elizabeth Warren is exactly as Cherokee as the principle chief of the Cherokee nation, Bill John Baker. Baker, like Warren, is 1/32 Cherokee.
On the other hand, other than his namesake’s slowness and hard shell, I question whether “terps” is as Maryland as he implies. Perhaps he does ignore yield signs, speaks with a Bahmer accent, or talks knowledgeably about acquiring crabs, but is that enough to be a terp?
Thank you for removing the captcha and password things. Much more friendly this way.
I guess growing up with the DAR and Sons of the Confederacy, I am going to require a hell of a lot more evidence that she is not entitled to claim any native American heritage. And even at that, calling this an issue of “false information” is purely blindly partisan. We are, after all over 400 years from Jamestown. You and Henry are like dogs with a bone. There are bigger fish to fry than ancestry that cannot be disproved and being fed a meat most of us would not eat. Most of us do not pose for pictures covered in a pillow to pay the bills. Most of us do not baptize dead people. Most of us never physically assaulted a kid in school. I do hate cheaters, go prove she has no possible claim to American Indian Heritage and then I’ll consider her a cheater.
Sandi’s correct…the little op-ed piece was hardly ‘devastating’.
Warren…the fact that the top injun of the Cherokee Nation is only 1/32 injun….isn’t terps problem…isn’t Warren’s problem…and isn’t my problem….it’s the Cherokee’s problem. If true, what a sad, sad state of affairs within the Cherokee Nation. All of those tax-free casinos must have thinned the blood. Tax-free income brings many warriors and medicine men out of the woodwork. Perhaps Warren can get a job with the Indians after she loses the election.
“Phil Chitwood says:
I’m with ya in spirit, Terps, but Sandi Mays is right. The article was a letdown. I wanted to see Warren hoppin’ on one foot around a campfire and drinking firewater.
Posted on May 14th, 2012″
I nominate Mr. Chitwood’s post for most assinine, stereotypical, racist Post of the Day.
I thought he was a Christian,
Warren
I must explain the genesis of “terps.” I am from Maryland and I have caught more crabs than Dan. But I root for the Hokies. So,in tribute to Dan, I first started to log in under the name “terps suck”. One day I got an email from someone at the RT who politely asserted that “terps suck” was inappropriate. Uncharacteristically, I did not put up a fight and changed my name to “terps”.
I am thinking about changing my name to “Elizabeth Warren sucks” in tribute to her cheating.
Do a little research, then discuss:
http://www.allthingscherokee.com/articles_gene_040101.html
It proves she’s a liar and will use a fake racial identification to get ahead. She made the claim and she has to prove the claim. It’s not up to everyone else to prove she’s not an Indian.
terps may have caught more crabs that I have.
But I reckon I’ve caught more Chesapeake Bay blue crabs than he has.
There’s no smoking gun in terps’ article about Warren. It has cost her politically however, in an unfair way.
People are acting like she posed for money in a skin mag, for goodness sakes.
Phil, I doubt the Cherokees need or want your pity. And 13 Suns is correct, although your second post outdoes your first by by a long way.
13 suns writes, “I nominate Mr. Chitwood’s post for most assinine, stereotypical, racist Post of the Day.
I thought he was a Christian,”
Why in the world did you think that??
“I nominate Mr. Chitwood’s post for most assinine, stereotypical, racist Post of the Day.”
I bet I can top it.
The only reason Harvard hired her was because of the minority status. White people rarely, EVER graduate from lower tier law schools and get tenure, or are even hired to teach at Harvard Law. Harvard Law has to protect their brand.
Yeah Henry, actually it is. She has no need to prove anything to you, terps or anyone else in this regard. This is the typical right wing crap that goes on and then you have the gall to say that Romney’s bullying (even to the point of assault) of classmates or of congregants is no one’s business and old news. You people are pathetic.
And Phil, that was egregiously insulting. You sounded even more like Suzie.
Update on the Pretendian
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/05/genealogist-who-claimed-elizabeth-warren-was-132-cherokee-goes-silent-as-source-document-exposed-as-false/
It proves she’s a liar and will use a fake racial identification to get ahead.
Exactly. If you lie, you can lie about anything. Once that genie is out of the bottle, it can’t be put back.
Elizabeth Warren is a liar not fit for office.
Suzie assumes honesty until someone proves otherwise. After that, our relationship is never the same. I will always be cooler and more guarded toward that person.
The libs on this blog are playing stupid on purpose. We all know that being labeled an “American Indian” minority is a ticket to riches. You get special privledges to build casinos and go to the front of almost any line for schooling or a great job.
Sandi, please tell me…if I am 1/32 black, should I be able to apply to Harvard as an African American. Hard work and merit should be all that matters and not the nationality of your great great grandmother. All of you libs agree and you don’t have the guts to admit it.
I once traded my CD for a bag of crabs from this crabber down in Burris,La. It was first thing in the morning and that is what we had for breakfast.
OWS/Roanoke has been quiet. And terps can’t find anything recent to rag on Carilion. So give him a break. He has to find some ridiculous single issue bone to chew on.
Due to “family lore” of the people she trusted, she admits “listing herself as a minority in law school directories”, being identified “as Native American in an article in the student newspaper, the Harvard Crimson” and being listed as a “minority in a report on the status of minority faculty” while at the University of Pennsylvania.
Evidence reveals, “at other points in her career, Warren declined to identify herself as a minority”.
“On her application to Rutgers Law School, Warren wrote “No” in response to the question: “Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?”
“And on a personnel file from the University of Texas, Warren checked the box “White” when asked to select “the racial category or categories with which you most closely identify.” The categories included a box for “American Indian or Alaska Native,” which Warren did not check.”
She has committed no fraud, no deceit and certainly not “cheated”.
http://articles.boston.com/2012-05-12/news/31681374_1_elizabeth-warren-native-american-harvard-law-school
“Phil Chitwood says:
Warren…the fact that the top injun of the Cherokee Nation is only 1/32 injun….isn’t terps problem…isn’t Warren’s problem…and isn’t my problem….it’s the Cherokee’s problem. If true, what a sad, sad state of affairs within the Cherokee Nation. All of those tax-free casinos must have thinned the blood. Tax-free income brings many warriors and medicine men out of the woodwork. Perhaps Warren can get a job with the Indians after she loses the election.
Posted on May 14th, 2012″
Mr. Chitwood,
If you want to attack Elizabeth Warren, have at it. I’d greatly appreciate if you would quit with the racial slurs against the Cherokee people. ‘Injun’ is the equivalent of the n-word. And just to enlighten your ignorant self, it wasn’t the Cherokee who came up with the quantum blood classification; it was white male politicians who devised the system to keep as many Cherokee as possible from retaining their own land.
From http://www.allthingscherokee.com/articles_gene_121100.html
“Congressman Henry Dawes was a big advocate of property ownership and he asserted that it was a necessary component of civilized life. The rest of Congress agreed, and in 1887 they enacted into law the Dawes Act. The Act stated that the United States government would provide for the allotment of lands in Indian Reservations. The Cherokee Nation was divided into thousands of small pieces of land, which would be distributed among the Cherokee people. On the surface the act was an attempt to assimilate the Native people into white society, in itself a less than admirable cause, but in reality the Dawes Act did far more than Anglicize the Native Americans. The Act allowed for widespread fraud by government officials and legally stripped Native Americans of much of their land by allowing land not allotted to be opened to settlers. The Dawes Roll was the official roll of the Dawes Act and was open from 1896-1907. In order to receive a parcel of land Cherokees had to sign the rolls. In order to sign the rolls a Cherokee had to have a permanent residence in the Cherokee Nation and have appeared on previous rolls. Those who signed the Dawes Roll provided their names and blood quantum and in return were granted a piece of land in the location they desired. In addition to the “Cherokee by Blood” portion of the Dawes Rolls, there were separate rolls for Cherokee Freedman and Intermarried whites living in the Cherokee Nation.”
Now, Mr. Chitwood, I don’t know what fraction or percentage White you are, or African-American, or Hispanic, or Asian, or Cherokee, or Sioux, or Apache or any other race/ethnicity, but I can surely tell you are 100% A$$hole by your racist comments.
How do other folk here feel about this conviction?
http://tinyurl.com/7hlaneq
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Hinkle: The feds would like to know if you enjoyed that video
By A. Barton Hinkle
SNIP
Mehanna — a U.S. citizen born in Pittsburgh — recently was sentenced to more than 17 years in prison for providing material support for terrorism. Mehanna did not send al-Qaida lawyers, guns or money. He was indicted for engaging in criminal conspiracy by doing such things as “watching jihadi videos” and “[seeking] out online Internet links to tribute videos.” Those acts “were not used by the government to demonstrate the intent or mental state behind some other crime,” says Yale professor Andrew March, a defense witness who wrote about Mehanna’s case. “They were the crime.”
“It is not illegal to watch something on television,” said one of Mehanna’s prosecutors. “It is illegal, however, to watch something in order to cultivate your desire, your ideology.” March notes that, as a professor of political science who specializes in Islamic law and war, he also looks at jihadist propaganda and debates the ethics of killing, just as Mehanna did. Their actions are identical; the only difference is their frame of mind. In short, Mehanna is going to prison for what he thought — not what he did.
Some might argue that if there ever were sufficient reason to make an exception to the First Amendment, terrorism is that reason. Lamentably, however, terrorism is only one of many reasons being offered for exception-making these days.
SNIP
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FWIIW, I think it os an abomination and hope it is reversed as unconstitutional, ASAP.
Your thoughts?
How does the Right wingers here feel about it?
Left wingers?
Anyone else?
I recently made a post where I said a person only needs to have 1/32 Cherokee blood to become a member of the Tribe. That was inaccurate.
From allthingscherokee.com:
“In addition, many Indian tribes include their own quantum restrictions for citizenship. The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians requires that you be 1/16 or higher to join, and the United Keetowah Band requires a blood quantum of 1/4 or higher. The Cherokee Nation, on the other hand, has no quantum restrictions. The majority of the Cherokee Nation has 1/4 or less Indian blood.”
There are other requirements as well.
One more thought on all the discussion concerning Elizabeth Warren’s Cherokee bloodline:
WE’RE ALL ‘MUTTS’! There are no pure bloodlines.
If the wingnuts hate Elizabeth Warren she must be OK.
BTW, Chitwoods comment IS Racist and should be deleted.
Whenever I have to fill out a form that asks for my race, I check ‘Other’ and write in ‘Human’.
Soon, the wingnuts will be criticizing Warren for OMITTING Indian heritage in her applications at Texas and Rutgers. They will be claiming she hid it. “What ELSE is she hiding?” they’ll ask.
OMG You people are just unreal.
Sandi….do you seriously believe that is OK to apply for school, job or government contract if your “family lore” is that you have minority blood. Does anyone else out there see this as totally crazy?
Dave Hicks, it does not appear it was nearly as cut and dried as simply “the thought police”. Even a juror who thought he deserved mercy, felt: “To her, this much was clear: Mehanna was a young radical obsessed with violence, and the concept of jihad, or holy war, against US soldiers. He went to Yemen in 2004 in search of a training camp. When he could not find one, he returned with a deliberate campaign to promote Al Qaeda’s ideology, by translating and distributing documents and videos. Gruesome, horrifying videos.” That is not simply watching videos and thinking.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/04/15/juror_says_mehanna_deserved_mercy/
I agree he might have deserved mercy and even deportation, but I do not think his only crime was watching gory videos.
“Suzie says:
“Exactly. If you lie, you can lie about anything.”
Said the woman who showed us how she could lie to get on a jury.
“Suzie assumes honesty until someone proves otherwise.”
No, you don’t. You’ve accused at least a couple of people on here of lying based on one or two sentences they wrote. And you constantly accuse me, gdad, 13 Suns, and I believe it was Debbie, of lying about our identities based on no facts whatsoever, only your paranoid conspiracy theory ‘detective work’.
You’re the real liar, which is precisely why you assume others lie. It’s your frame of reference.
#30 Dave Hicks, my first thought was, if watching videos is the only evidence they have against him then his conviction is a travesty. However, there appears to be a little more to it.
http://www.fbi.gov/boston/press-releases/2012/tarek-mehanna-sentenced-in-boston-to-17-years-in-prison-on-terrorism-related-charges
Phil, I hope you are trying to be funny (even though you are not) but it not, you have crossed the line and become boorish and offensive for no good reason. Suzie has taught you well.
“Art Hill says:
BTW, Chitwoods comment IS Racist and should be deleted.
Posted on May 14th, 2012″
Thank you, Mr. Hill. I agree.
Terps, you are spinning like a top! She did not “apply to Harvard” as a Native American and you have no proof she did. And if she believed she was 1/32 Cherokee and was proud of that, she had every right to say so. As does anyone. I am darn sure not going to check on you, or her.
You may apply as whatever you believe you are IMO. NO ONE has even hinted that her “Hard work and merit” were not up to par and until this flap, they were ALL she had been judged on and her bona fides were authentic. NAME one thing she gained or received for noting her ancestry? She is not sporting fake medals, bogus national guard duty to avoid the draft, frivolous deferments or avoidance of scrutiny. She believed that was her ancestry, just as I believe I am German. SO WHAT?
Again, she did not get scholarships for being a minority, she did not benefit from the ancestry. You want a mountain from a molehill. She did not have an affair, she did not behave immorally, she did not bully or take anything from anyone. And frankly, in the halls of Harvard, just being a woman was minority enough.
Yes Terps I do. 1/32 any damn thing is nothing to get irate over. And you would not if it was Romney, that is how I know this is bogus.
To be consistent, I’ll take up for Phil Chitwood’s right to post the comment. He posted it under his real name and it’s good to know how people really think for the purposes of discussion. It was politically incorrect, and a little off color, but should stand.
Contra, the human checkbox on the comment form is just for you.
“terps says:
The libs on this blog are playing stupid on purpose. We all know that being labeled an “American Indian” minority is a ticket to riches. You get special privledges to build casinos and go to the front of almost any line for schooling or a great job.”
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1003869,00.html
“In many cases, the big winners are non-Indian investors, some of whom pocket more than 40% of an Indian casino’s profits. Actually, calling these people investors understates their role. They often serve as master strategists who draw up the plans and then underwrite the total cost of bringing a casino online: ferreting out an amenable tribe, paying a signing bonus, picking up tribal expenses and paying the salaries of the tribe’s officials, all of this before a spade of dirt is turned. If an Indian band isn’t federally recognized as a tribe and is thus ineligible for a gaming venture, these full-service backers will bankroll genealogists to construct a family tree, then hire lawyers and lobbyists in Washington to help change the band’s status. And if a reservation isn’t prime real estate for a casino, the investors sometimes purchase a more suitable patch and instruct their lawyers and lobbyists to persuade the government to designate the land as a trust, as reservation property is called. Building the casino is the easiest step.”
I think the comment in question is gone.
“We all know that being labeled an “American Indian” minority is a ticket to riches. You get special privledges to build casinos and go to the front of almost any line for schooling or a great job.”
Yeah that’s why Ivy League campuses are crawling with “American Indians”. Those and CEO offices. How stupid.
“In 2010, the poverty rate on reservations was 28.4 percent, compared with 22 percent among all American Indians (on and off reservations), and 15.3 percent among all Americans.”
Wow…riches indeed! Yet more people we can all be jealous of.
Sandi:
43.”Yes Terps I do. 1/32 any damn thing is nothing to get irate over.”
Not so fast, If one ounce of a quart of milk was replaced with motor oil, that could make someone irate. 10 people talking in a 320 seat movie theatre could make other people irate. If EVERY 32 days they were digging the street up in front of your house, I doubt you’d be happy either.
It’s all relative.
Since Jesus isn’t running for President, Pat Robertson is endorsing Mitt Romney.
http://content.usatoday.com/topics/article/Religion+and+beliefs/Leaders,+Experts/Pat+Robertson/06z4bLy6gr1wK/1
A better link on Pat Robertson’s endorsement.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/05/pat-robertson-mitt-romney-endorse-mormon-jesus-/1
“John Wilburn says:
To be consistent, I’ll take up for Phil Chitwood’s right to post the comment. He posted it under his real name and it’s good to know how people really think for the purposes of discussion. It was politically incorrect, and a little off color, but should stand.”
Out of anger, I agreed with Mr. Hill on deleting Mr. Chitwood’s racist posts. Then, I walked by a sampler I cross-stitched a few years ago that says, “If we don’t protect freedom of speech, how will we know who the a$$holes and dumba$$es are?” (I saw it on a bumper sticker and copied it.)
My opinion has now ‘evolved’. Let Mr. Chitwood continue to show his true colors.
And for the record, I’m in favor of allowing completely spelled out ‘cuss words’ with no cute symbols replacing letters, as well as allowing the ‘n-word’ in its true form.
Re: Comment by Sandi Saunders — May 14, 2012 @ 2:54 pm &
Comment by Debbie — May 14, 2012 @ 2:57 pm
Yes I had read those two links and some more.
IMHO, this case is a prime example of over-criminalization
see: http://tinyurl.com/brn9f7q , http://tinyurl.com/cqu836y , http://tinyurl.com/ycy3gmb , http://tinyurl.com/cl2ee7g , etc.
And the loss of the citizen’s understanding of and will for jury nullification see http://tinyurl.com/d972mt4 , http://tinyurl.com/6cpw8ju , etc.
And the ongoing lose of the requirement for both actus reus and mens rea throughout much of our law — in both the classic form of actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea and conversely.
And the expanded use of “conspiracy” and “aid-to….” laws.
Sa always, YMMV.
If you want to attack Elizabeth Warren, have at it. I’d greatly appreciate if you would quit with the racial slurs against the Cherokee people. ‘Injun’ is the equivalent of the n-word
Leftwingers freely use the term “cracker” which is absolutely racist. It is the equivalent of the n-word. I don’t hear you leftards griping about that.
Give me ‘Selective Outrage” for $500, Alex.
I do not agree that injun equals the N word.
Sandi writes, “Due to “family lore” of the people she trusted, she admits “listing herself as a minority in law school directories”,
And then, “She has committed no fraud, no deceit and certainly not “cheated”.
Both of these statements cannot be true.
Have not read all of today’s posts so if this has been covered, sorry. Does anyone remember someone here stating that Roanoke City probably would not allow the 2% meals tax to expire?
http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/308775
Phil Chitwood,
If you believed that one of your ancestors was Native American, and that was noted in a directory of peers, and you found out later that you did not have a NA ancestor, the fact of the directory’s listing wouldn’t necessarily mean you had committed fraud or deceit or that you had cheated.
I know this is a bit of a stretch regarding the Warren/Indian heritage thread, but I recall someone in Europe who claimed a distant (obviously) heritage to Charlemagne. This person made quite a deal of it though he could not provide positive proof. A genealogist responded by saying that in Europe it would be far more likely for someone to be related to Charlemagne than not and it was in fact no big deal. That Ms. Warren is 1/32 Indian to me is really not unusual or noteworthy.
#53 – Relevance isn’t your strong suit, is it? On a blog populated mostly by “leftwingers”, the only one using the word “cracker” is you, Suzie. It has no bearing in this thread. “Injun” has been used in this thread and is therefore relevant.
You should’ve been a running back, Suzie. You are the BEST at ducking and dodging I’ve ever seen, complete with textbook stiff-arms, stutter-steps and spin-moves. Surely you’d own a dozen NFL records by now.
Maybe you could get a job as a campaign manager…
A quick break from politics and arguing, since it’s grilling season. Most of us can just about always agree when it comes to food, and this recipe from Cook’s Illustrated is delicious. I roasted the pork loin in the oven instead of grilling it, still turned out to be fabulous. I cut the fat off of it too, but since I had brined it first it stayed moist.
Mustard-Glazed Pork Loin
Two surefire ways to dress up a pork roast are to give it a flavorful, deeply caramelized crust on the grill and serve it with a savory-sweet mustard glaze. Our Grilled Mustard-Glazed Pork Loin recipe has the best of both worlds. Leaving our boneless pork loin roast untrimmed added moisture and flavor—and scoring the fat kept it from tasting too fatty. For the mustard glaze, apple jelly was a perfect complement to the spicy crunch of grainy mustard, and both married well with the other glaze ingredients—brown sugar, garlic, and fresh thyme. To fully infuse our Grilled Mustard-Glazed Pork Loin with mustard flavor, we applied the glaze before, during, and after grilling.
Serves 6 to 8
Dijon and yellow mustards also work well in the glaze, but make certain to use apple jelly (which is translucent), not apple butter (which is opaque). Look for a pork roast with about 1/4 inch of fat on top and tie the roast at 1-inch intervals to ensure an even shape. Keep a squirt bottle of water on hand during browning to quell any flare-ups.
Ingredients
1/2 cup grainy mustard
6 tablespoons apple jelly
2 tablespoons dark brown sugar
2 tablespoons extra virgin olive oil
1 garlic clove, minced
2 teaspoons minced fresh thyme leaves
1/2 teaspoon salt
3/4 teaspoon pepper
1 boneless pork loin roast (2 1/2 to 3 pounds), fat on top scored lightly and tied (see note)
Instructions
1. Open bottom vent on grill. Light large chimney starter filled with charcoal briquettes (about 100 coals) and burn until covered with fine gray ash. Pour coals evenly over one half of grill. Set cooking grate in place, cover, open lid vent completely, and let grill heat for 5 minutes. Meanwhile, whisk mustard, jelly, sugar, oil, garlic, thyme, salt, and pepper in medium bowl. Reserve one-third of mustard mixture for serving. Coat meat completely with half of remaining mustard mixture.
2. Scrape and oil cooking grate. Grill pork directly over coals until well browned all over, 12 to 15 minutes. Place pork fat-side up on cooler side of grill and brush with about one-third of remaining mustard mixture. Cover, open lid vents completely, and cook, brushing with mustard mixture every 10 minutes, until meat registers 140 degrees, 25 to 40 minutes.
3. Transfer pork to cutting board, tent with foil, and let rest 15 minutes (temperature should rise to 150 degrees). Pour accumulated juices into reserved mustard mixture and whisk to combine. Cut roast into 1/4-inch slices, transfer to platter, and spoon mustard mixture over top. Serve.
As a longtime family genealogist, who has more than 35years of research under my belt, and having attended innumerable genealogical trainings, I cannot even tell you the number of purely white people who will tell me they have American Indian/Native American blood…probably 40% or more believe this. It is a rarity to actually find this bloodline – as it almost always resides in family lore, not in family records – Native American record keeping [except in some US or state censuses] was a rarity. I have no idea why all this furor over Eliz. Warren’s checking a box – so many families add this to their family histories without any documentation but pass this story down anyway – just ask any genealogist how often this comes up…you will be amazed.
This whole topic of race is starting to make me sick to my stomach.
“Phil Chitwood says:
I do not agree that injun equals the N word.”
If you were to be identified as either and called either name, you would. It doesn’t matter whether you think they’re equivalent or not, your complete posts show what a racist you are.
terps, you just sound ignorant with your Get Rich Now By Owning A Casino crap.
And then Miss Suzie jumps in with her middle school equivalent of ‘they started it!’ and ‘they do it too!’ like that makes it perfectly okay. Rise above something for once, why don’tcha? Leftards? Really? You prove your disdain for various groups of people on a regular basis.
The fact of the matter is, if any of the three of you traced your lineage back far enough, you’d more than likely find an ‘injun’ or a n***** in your family tree.
Dan…she admitted “listing herself.” Even if she believed it to be true, that is fraud.
Apologies to all for all of the “injun” references.
13 Suns….Are you an American Indian? It just dawned on me that your name on here could be a Native American spiritial name.
JPMorgan Chase, business as usual on Wall Street.
#63 – Phil Chitwood – takes a big person to make an apology…for my part, apology accepted and let’s move on.
“I have no idea why all this furor over Eliz. Warren’s checking a box”
It’s called “a smear.”
If someone believes to be true, what is in their family history and what they have always been told, it’s quite a stretch to call it fraud, Phil Chitwood. It is certainly not deliberate fraud.
And because we just can’t get any more mundane than a Romney campaign, oh, wait -who will be the VP pick?
“One Republican official familiar with the campaign’s thinking said it will be designed to produce a pick who is safe and, by design, unexciting — a deliberate anti-Palin. The prized pick, said this official: an ‘incredibly boring white guy.’”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76260.html#ixzz1utAQX3ji
Phil,
Fraud is knowingly and intentionally deceiving someone for gain. If Warren believed she was part-Native American, there was no fraud. There could have been error. That is not a crime.
I have a republican primary question. What happens to the delegates that Newt, Santorum and Bachmann amassed before abandoning their respective campaigns?
If someone believes to be true, ….. It is certainly not deliberate fraud……
Fraud is knowingly and intentionally deceiving someone for gain. If Warren believed she was part-Native American, there was no fraud. There could have been error. That is not a crime.
So we can conclude that you people are now saying GWB didn’t lie knowingly or deceive anyone about WMD because he believed they were there.
Glad to see y’all have changed your tune.
I’m hoping John Thune will be the VP pick.
“I have no idea why all this furor over Eliz. Warren’s checking a box”
Because, Art, liberals have created a world where skin color means more than the content of your character. Ask anyone on a college admissions board how precious that little “box” has become. It trumps grades, SAT’S, athletics and everything else combined.
Future generations will judge us harshly for the extent to which we have obsessed on fractional skin color and ignored the rigors of math and science.
Hilary wrote: “I have no idea why all this furor over Eliz. Warren’s checking a box”
It’s because her radically regressive opponents, who are busy trying to cut funding for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau that she championed, are trying anything to muddy her image, no matter how trivial. So terps and Phil Chitwood are simply being foot soldiers for the interests that want to maintain predatory lenders and casino capitalism using taxpayer money. That’s what they’ve decided to endorse by supporting the agenda of Warren’s opponents-endless gambling for private profit with bank depositor money, underwritten by taxpayers. So it’s quite ironic that since they support those who hate the Volker rule, they complain about casino profits that aren’t guaranteed by the government, isn’t it?
I believe Bush and Cheney knew there were no WMDs in Iraq. The inspectors had told them so, over and over and over and over. The inspectors were right.
You see, Bush felt very frustrated that he could not capture or kill OBL. It is something that apparently was beyond his abilities. When he had the chance to approve risky military ops against Al Qaeda leadership, he blinked. He was too scared to approve them (knowing well Jimmy Carter’s fate when those fail).
So he went after the paper Tiger who had gone after his daddy (who knew very well why we should never try to take over Iraq.
Thanks for the apology Phil. That was big of you and I appreciate it!
There was no choice for Indian on the census until 1880. There was also a serious advantage to pass for white if you could. There is also an historical/genealogical newsletter from 2006 that “backs up” what Warren believed although it is impossible to prove by now.
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/05/14/elizabeth-warrens-genealogical-challenge-113019
It is actually a quite interesting article.
No Suzie, that is a lie, Bush/Cheney had intel and people telling them differently and they cherry-picked and chose to ignore. That is a willful action not innocent error. The case is documented.
Precisely Warren! And isn’t it nice to have a candidate so great that is all they can find to whine over? These people want a bully, Wall Street Raider who baptizes dead people to be president but will argue for hours over someone checking an ethnicity block they believed to be true and who did not gain from it.
Re: Comment by Dan Casey — May 14, 2012 @ 7:34 pm
Dan,
You might want to check legal blogs re: my comment @ May 14, 2012 @ 4:49 pm on the ongoing lose of the requirement for both actus reus and mens rea throughout much of our law — in both the classic form of actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea and conversely.
Your comment is very historically correct. However, many modern legal authorities lament the slow disappearance of Edward Coke’s dictum — through the extension of concept “knew or should have known” device and the common law tradition that ignorance of the law or a mistake of law is no defense.
Yupbilly, I believe that if they are not released by the candidate before the convention, then after the first ballot they become free to vote for the vulture capitalist quarter billionaire who led an assault on a classmate over his hair length, believes that corporations are people, supports gambling for private profit using taxpayer money, and takes a lot of credit for the resurgence of American auto companies.
“how precious that little “box” has become”
Terps, if you were simply concerned about “that little box” your argument might carry some weight. Using it to smear a political opponent for the reasons so eloquently listed at #74 is Right wing business as usual.
Terps, Elizabeth Warren has done a lot of things in her life but “ignored the rigors” of math, science or anything else is not one of them. You have helped malign one of the few political figures ever not to deserve it, and that is all.
Sandi – FYI if you are interested:
The first federal decennial census that clearly identifies any Native Americans is the 1860 census. The instructions to the 1860 census enumerators defined who was to be counted and who was not:
Indians not taxed are not to be enumerated. The families of Indians who have renounced tribal rule, and who under state or territory laws exercise the rights of citizens, are to be enumerated.
Most genealogy guides that address Native Americans in the census incorrectly state that the first federal decennial census in which at least a portion of the Indian population is enumerated is 1870. Although the 1870 census schedule is the first to list “Indian” as a choice in the column heading for “Color,” Native Americans were enumerated earlier. Even though the 1860 census schedule does not include “Indian” as a choice in the column heading for “Color,” enumerators nevertheless followed the instructions cited in the previous paragraph and recorded more than 40,000 Indians.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/census/
“your complete posts show what a racist you are.”
Oh poo!
Re: My last.
Dan,
Your comment about Bush and Cheney at May 14, 2012 @ 7:55 pm is a good example of how the “knew or should have known” device has worked its way into our society’s common mindset.
FWIIW, I tend to agree re: Bush and Cheney — given all the intel there was to the contrary. I’m just commenting of the loss of the need for mens rea in society in general as well as in the law.
Warren – the Republicans cannot defeat Eliz. Warren with ideas, so in their typical blind ideology they must try and destroy her character. This because their goal is power, not governance – they aren’t about small government, they’re about a huge, corporate-owned government of their choosing.
The best government their corporate overlords can buy.
“13 Suns….Are you an American Indian? It just dawned on me that your name on here could be a Native American spiritial name.”
I am of Cherokee descent, along with having German ancestors, Irish ancestors, French ancestors, and others. Like I said, we’re all ‘mutts’. ’13 Suns’ has nothing to do with my Cherokee ancestry. It’s a reference to Steve Nash, the greatest African-Canadian point guard to play in the NBA. He plays for the Phx Suns and wears number 13.
Miriam, as a genealogist, would you agree/disagree/theorize that in times past, when we were even less accepting of other races and ethnic groups, family trees could be less than accurate? For example, if a ‘white’ woman had a child by a Native American, perhaps her family would not want to acknowledge the child’s Native American ancestry out of shame? You could use the same scenario between all races because ‘whites’ do not hold a monopoly on racism. In my limited experience with family tree research, it occurs to me that family history is based on verifiable facts, records, and oral history combined. (I hope that makes sense.)
In all seriousness, Harvard may be the actual guilty party. Liz listed the minority status naively, and I an see Harvard latching hold of it to boost their diversity “problem” within the law school. What I would want to know is:
Did she list the minority status before Harvard hired her. I realize that she has taught at Harvard Law for 15-20 years; and evidently, she is a wizz at bankrupcy law; but, her credentials aren’t on par with Harvard Law professors….particularly white law professors.
Sorry Hillary! I wrote Miriam, but obviously, I was asking for your thoughts. Apologies.
Dan, obviously at one point, there were WMD in Iraq. 100,000 dead Kurds and 100,000 dead Iranians kind of prove that. Plus, we cataloged the WMD after the first gulf war….and yes, we let them keep them to promote stability in the region. But Dan, what do you think Sadaam did with them?
“the Republicans cannot defeat Eliz. Warren with ideas,…” Hill-Dear, how many points in the polls was Liz up by before Indian-gate broke?
Phil
Yes warren did at UPENN before she went to Harvard. See blog from a few days ago. Of course, UPENN says that her Indian claim had nothing, NOTHING, to do with her hiring.
13 Suns – I have researched both my maternal and paternal sides back to their original country of origin, plus some. I have found that secrets often originate from shame and prejudices. Every family, I have done genealogy for non-family too, including mine and my husband’s, have stories and secrets. Not only did racism compromise some genealogical “stories”, but also prejudices of religion. Religion was another divisive and often hidden cause of family fractures – in my maternal side, proper Englishwomen did not marry shanty Catholic Irishmen. But of course, it occurred, and children were raised Catholic [as was the practice back then] and in essence one group repudiated the the other group’s religious practices. There was much “disowning” of individuals, and without careful research they could otherwise be lost – even removed from family bibles. There of course is “family history [is] based on verifiable facts, records, and oral history combined” – and as long as the stories or lore are backed up with a true and accurate document for the specific individual, it becomes a family history. I have found that there is often a kernel of truth in most family stories with a lot of embellishment!
Hope I answered your question.
Because, Art, liberals have created a world where skin color means more than the content of your character. Ask anyone on a college admissions board how precious that little “box” has become. It trumps grades, SAT’S, athletics and everything else combined.
Future generations will judge us harshly for the extent to which we have obsessed on fractional skin color and ignored the rigors of math and science.
Brilliant answer, Terps. Yes, this is a Democrat trick coming back to bite them in the butt.
No Suzie, that is a lie, Bush/Cheney had intel and people telling them differently and they cherry-picked and chose to ignore. That is a willful action not innocent error. The case is documented.
Hillary said she had evidence of WMD from souces independent of Bush. Was she lying too? Were all the Democrats who agreed with Bush lying?
#91 “Hill-Dear, how many points in the polls was Liz up by before Indian-gate broke?”
Comment by Phil Chitwood — May 14, 2012
So you won’t have trouble sleeping tonight worrying about Eliz Warren’s poll numbers:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/senate/ma/massachusetts_senate_brown_vs_warren-2093.html
and weren’t you the one criticizing most ill-informed using the tag, “Hon”? Going all most ill-informed on us now?
Dan, obviously at one point, there were WMD in Iraq. 100,000 dead Kurds and 100,000 dead Iranians kind of prove that. Plus, we cataloged the WMD after the first gulf war….and yes, we let them keep them to promote stability in the region. But Dan, what do you think Sadaam did with them?
Of course there were WMD and everybody knew it. Democrats were saying it long before Bush. Saddam obviously hid/moved/disguised them. This is nothing more than partisan leftwing revisionism.
Johnny Carson’s bio was on TV tonight. Very interesting. Hard to believe he signed off 20 years ago this month. Carson was probably a liberal, but he was way classier than that asshat Letterman. Carson was never rude to his guests. Jay Leno is more like him in that way.
#95 most ignorant posted, “Hillary said she had evidence of WMD from souces independent of Bush.”
Really, and where did I post that? as always, wrong…
Suzielioes@7:50
Nope. Bush and Cheney were fully aware of CIA findings that there were no WMD’s. They hid that information from Congress to further their purpose of going to war. By lying to Congress, they got what rthey wanted–a bipartisan vote for the war they wanted to fight. That was still criminal.
terps@7:53- That is a load of smelly BS. If you can find stats and quotes from admissions officers to back it up, bring them on.
“and weren’t you the one criticizing most ill-informed using the tag, “Hon”? Going all most ill-informed on us now?” If you’re talking to me….nope.
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton(Obama’s Secretary of State), October 10, 2002
Really, and where did I post that? as always, wrong…
Not you, ding dong. Hillary Clinton.
Sheesh. LOL.
Nope. Bush and Cheney were fully aware of CIA findings that there were no WMD’s. They hid that information from Congress to further their purpose of going to war. By lying to Congress, they got what rthey wanted–a bipartisan vote for the war they wanted to fight. That was still criminal.
Listen to Hillary Clinton’s speech in 2002. She said it was indisputable that Iraq had WMD. In this speech, she said what everybody knew. I guess the liberals who decided to revise history know most of the rank-and-file libs are too stupid to go back and listen to old speeches.
If you’re going to lock up GWB over these easily disproven claim, then you have to lock up this witch, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wyCBF5CsCA
Silly Henry. Hillary wasn’t secretary of state in 2002.
Henry….Hillary only said that because GWBush made her say it. If she were really a strong woman, she would have been able to resist. LOL
Dan writes, “105.Silly Henry. Hillary wasn’t secretary of state in 2002.”
Really, Dan?? Hillary would have had no special
insight having been out of the White House less that 18 months earlier???
And Obama wasn’t President. But now Obama is President and Hillary is his Secretary of State.
Not much gets by you, does it Dan?
“Carson was probably a liberal, but he was way classier than that asshat Letterman.”
Suzie, is whether or not someone is a liberal the first thing you need to know about someone? Is that necessary for hanging prejudice over every other opinion you form of them? If you were to find out positively, that Carson was a flaming hard-core liberal, I bet you would never give him credit for class. Likewise, regardless of how much of an “asshat” you claim him to be, if you were to find out Letterman was a solid Republican, all other of his behavior and antics the same, Your classy compliment would be reversed; I have no doubt.
You need to go deep in thought and “thin the herd” of some of your absolutes before all of sanity ranch goes mad-cow on you.
Suzie, is whether or not someone is a liberal the first thing you need to know about someone?
It usually is a tremendous predictor of character and intelligence. But if they keep their mouths shut and just display their other talents, like Carson I can often live with it. That’s why I like Leno and hate Letterman even though both claim to be liberal. Jay keeps it to himself, while Letterman is openly partisan. I suspect that contributes to Jay’s ratings dominance over Letterman over two decades.
Re: Comment by Dave Hicks — May 14, 2012 @ 8:17 pm
Although a civil, not a criminal, case, here is an interesting court case involving the spread of “knew or should have known.”
http://tinyurl.com/ccaox2q
Morris judge to decide if sender of text is liable if receiver crashes car
Peggy Wright
Can a cell phone texter be held liable if the receiver crashes and injures others while reading the message?
That’s the novel legal question confronting Morris County Superior Court Judge David Rand, who heard arguments Friday on a motion to dismiss Shannon Colonna as a defendant in a lawsuit. Rand said he expects to issue his decision May 25, possibly through a written opinion.
SNIP
The Kubert’s lawyer, Stephen “Skippy” Weinstein, amended his lawsuit to include Shannon Colonna, then 19, as a party who aided and abetted Best’s negligence by texting him when she knew or should have known he was driving.
SNIP
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I hope the judge dismisses the plaintiff’s case against the texter. But the fact that the attorney even included her supports my concern about how much the “knew or should have known” device has worked its way into society’s common mindset.
“Can a cell phone texter be held liable if the receiver crashes and injures others while reading the message?”
Ridiculous. Of the many, many responsibilities one has while driving is not being distracted by the phone. We need a shift toward personal responsibility and to see this suit dismissed.
Just because the sender knew the person was driving, doesn’t mean that they knew the person would read the text while driving. IMO the sender should not be held responsible.
Thank you for your answer, Hillary. The religion aspect occurred to me right after I hit ‘send comment’.
I saw that Dave Hicks and thought it was ridiculous. Why not just sue the manufacturer of the cell phone while you’re at it for being functional while she was driving? I hope it’s dismissed.