The Post of the Day is a list from Sandi Saunders!
Grafic by Dan
Note from Dan: This comes from the indefatigable Sandi Saunders.
Saw this one today:
“Dear Republicans,
We’ll stop our alleged “war on religion” if you stop your war on:
Women
Workers
Unions
Teachers
Textbooks
Voting Rights
Minorities
Science
The Environment
The Separation of Church & State
The Poor
The Unemployed
The Middle Class
Common Decency
and Common Sense.
OK?”
~Anonymous
May 5, 2012 - 10:00 AM
So many strawmen, so little space. There’s a reason this was signed ‘anonymous’. Probably doesn’t know his/her own name.
Just for kicks and giggles, let’s destroy the list one by one.
“Dear Republicans,
We’ll stop our alleged “war on religion” if you stop your war on:”
1) Women, Strawman. GOP economic policies better for women as well as everybody else. Leftwing promoting the lie that women demand abortion. In fact, most women are pro-life.
2) Workers. Strawman. $2 billion spent for net lost jobs. Brilliant. Declaring war on job providers is hardly helpful to workers. Artificial wages cost more lost jobs.
3) Unions. Yep. We’re out to eliminate that cancer. Thanks for the compliment.
4) Teachers. You mean coddled union workers. When they stop teaching crap, we’ll leave them alone.
5) Textbooks Textbooks? What year is this? Kids hardly use textbooks in the 20th century.
6) Voting Rights. You mean like absentee military voters the Democrats wanted tossed out? Or did you mean you want to keep voting “rights” extended to the dead?
7) Minorities. Keeping minorities dependent is what I’d call “declaring war” on them. So is administration which has lost net jobs in three-plus years.
8) Science. Well, we believe in the scientific method, which means to not close a debate until the facts are in. Um. umlike what the leftwingers have done on MMGW.
9) The Environment. Throwing billions of dollars away on made-up ‘catastrophes’ like MMGW, carbon emissions, acid rain, and ozone depletion isn’t declaring war on the environment. It’s just not pandering to the anti-capitalist, displaced Communist green kooks’ extortionist agenda.
10) Separation of Church and State – Er, you mean the eliminating the Church and replacing it with the State.
11) The poor – Assuming you’re talking about the obese poor and not the truly poor —You people have hurt the poor by losing net jobs, keeping people dependent on gov’t, supporting artificial wages which eliminate low-end jobs, and declaring war on Walmart where the majority of poor people shop, and which employs the largest number of erstwhile poor people in the world.
12) Unemployed – Did I mention Idiot Boy’s the ONLY administration since the Depression with a NET job loss.
13) The Middle Class – Oh, you mean the ones you want to hit the hardest with taxes from 0bamacare? THAT middle class?
14) Common Decency – Yes. Let’s talk about the common decency of the violent and destructive OWS movement and the administration and media that looks the other way. Let’s talk about the ‘common decency’ of the destruction of decent people’s reputations like Sarah Palin and Herman Cain.
15) Common Sense. Right. Does ‘common sense’ dictate that we should re-elect a president who has LOST net jobs during his term, who is the biggest wartime butcher LBJ’s Viet Nam, who is in the process of LOSING a war, who has refused to drill and increase domestic oil production while gasoline prices soar to record amounts?
There. Done. It always feels great to destroy the “post of the day” with a powerhouse response.
“Let’s talk about the ‘common decency’ of the destruction of decent people’s reputations like Sarah Palin and Herman Cain.”
“When you engage in premarital sex there are some very bad natural consequences that follow: divorce, distrust, broken families, kids without guidance, self-centeredness, inability to sacrifice, weak willpower, underachievement, wasted time, unfulfilled promise.”
“Both grew up in environments where religion was obviously not a big part. When God is not present, other idols fill the void: sex, alcoholism, violence, ill-temper, cheating, mistrust.”
Bristol Palin engaged in premarital sex. According to your statements, she grew up in an environment where religion was obviously not a big part. She filled that void with Levi’s penis. Therefore, Sarah and Todd Palin are unfit parents for allowing this to happen. Sarah ruined her own reputation by not being able to handle her own children.
Well, that, and the fact that she proves her stupidity every time she opens her mouth.
I’m going to leave the rest of your diatribe for the others here on the blog to destroy.
Excellent, Sandi!!
#2 – I for one am still waiting for a “powerhouse response”…
instead, yours is, as always, an ill-informed-fact-free argument to try to square a circle…
another day, another post, another of your failures…because you post it doesn’t make it a Fact nor the Truth…
Got it. Everyone is a victim except the 1% white males. Liberalism is very depressing.
My browser is acting up. I see a space for comments 1 and 2, but nobody is saying anything . . .
Anyone else experiencing this?
BRAVO Suzie!!!!!!!
I am giving you a standing ovation!!!
SharonN@1:26
Bravo! I am giving you a standing ovation for making a post that is less than 1000 words of unreadable gobbledy-gook. Even though it is still stupid.
BRAVO Suzie!!!!!!!
I am giving you a standing ovation!!!
Thank you, Sharon. Sometimes they toss you a fat one right down the middle.
I love how conservatives never let FACTS stand in the way of their opinions.
Indeed Bravo Sandi.
Well done.
Its refreshing too that ones
like Suzie and Sharon N.
fall in duck step with the
limping, rote, right ditch.
,,and say NO.
And then think just by saying NO that ends the
discussion.
Its usually so that the discussion is over
on their deep vapid inhalation.
Sharon N, is your financial situation better than it was last year, when you told us that you had a job with no health insurance and you had no disposable income? I sincerely hope it is, but if it hasn’t changed much or at all, do you really think Romney becoming President will make your life better?
Suzie’s response to Sandi is exactly why i have given up on the Republican Party. The Party has been hijacked by a bunch of wack jobs who could care less about the truth.
I am hoping other bloggers will provide the facts and the links to support the “war” designation listed in the Post Of The Day – let’s start with #1…
1. WAR on Women:
FACT #1: Since the Republicans began their war on women, even former presidential candidate (Saint) John McCain recognized it as a losing war for his party when asked about this “war” – he acknowledged it and, his answer: “ I think we have to fix that. I think that there is a perception out there because of how this whole contraception issue played out — ah, we need to get off of that issue, in my view. I think we ought to respect the right of women to make choices in their lives…” So was John McCain delusion when he said this on a Sunday morning program before the RWers put a muzzle on him? See for yourself – watch the video on the link. http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/john-mccain-claims-gop-needs-get-issue-war
Or FACT #2:
Republicans were intent on defeating H.R.1519 – “The Paycheck Fairness Act”,
that would provide more effective remedies to victims of discrimination in the payment of wages on the basis of sex, and for other purposes.
Or, FACT #3:
Evidently, the House GOP finds nutrition assistance for low-income women and their children to be a “lower priority program,” as the bill cuts the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) to such an extent that 325,000 to 475,000 currently eligible women and children will be denied help.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/23/house-gop-proposes-budget_n_865915.html
Or, FACT #4:
The Republican sponsored and supported, “Blunt Amendment” that legislates the religious freedom of employers to deny coverage for birth control. It’s also the religious freedom to deny coverage for cervical cancer, because it’s caused by HPV, which is transmitted sexually.
And in summation, there are many many more examples, but for brevity’s sake I compress them into an additional few – let’s see: Republicans’ multiple votes to shut down Planned Parenthood; Republicans pushing forced transvaginal ultrasounds on pregnant women; Republican state legislatures passing more than 1000 acts restricting women’s access to health care since 2010… If you cannot see the Republican Party’s blatantly anti-women’s agenda by the above samples, well don’t let the pesky intrusions of FACTS and reality diminish your dogmatic brain cells…
#8
“BRAVO Suzie!!!!!!!
I am giving you a standing ovation!!!”
Comment by Sharon N. — May 5, 2012 @ 1:26 pm
Figures; one of the most spectacularly illiterate posters on the board meant to type “sustaining ovaries” but spelled “standing ovation” instead. Why am I not surprised…
Excuse me People…..
You are praising a “post of the day” that has nothing IN it but ONE WORD blurbs…facts?..how can ONE word be a fact?..how can one word be “truth”?
Suzie breaks down each “strawman” and gives examples…and yet again you start hurling the personal insults, without being able to disprove or defend, or even give a counter argument for anything she has said.
What has you so upset? That she challenged that post?
I would think you all could do better than that….if you feel she is wrong, tell us why you think so.
“You’re Lying!!” is hardly a response worthy of much merit.
Suzie’s response to Sandi is exactly why i have given up on the Republican Party.
BS, Bill. You were never Republican. People generally don’t get dumber with age.
Think about it. Three stimulus bills — all a half trillion dollars or more, billions more in “jobs programs”, yet this SOB has actually LOST net jobs. Losing net jobs is unheard of. Why isn’t the media asking where the EFF all the money went? Why isn’t the media questioning why these massive boondoggles didn’t work?
Sean Hannity is right. The MSM died in 2008.
So let me see. If you you are a democrat, you argue for or against whatever issues you choose, but if you are a conservative and you disagree, you have declared war on those issues?
#1 Good lord, racist troll suzie’s one to talk about strawmen.
Debbie:
With all due respect, I am not taking ONE PENNY from the Government, other than that, I do truly thank you for your concern because I feel it is genuine, but, we will leave it at that. Okay?
LOL, actually, when I read the first line of your post, I thought you read my response to Thursdays Thread and you were going to ask me if I worked for the Natural Foods Co-op. The answer to that is “no, I dont..but perhaps I should? That is something that I get passionate about. PROTECT OUR FARMERS!!!
But, ya know, I WILL choose to answer your question about Mitt Romney and share my thoughts about, not only that, but the Senatorial candidates too, if you are interested, or even if you are just curious.
Mitt Romney..my LAST choice!!! UGH!! My 2nd choice (my first was Herman Cain, if you recall) is still in the race, but unfortunately, everyone pretends that he isn’t….and that kind of gets me peed off at the Republican “establishment.”..and even at the so-called “right wing media”.
RON PAUL is who I would like to see get the nomination…if, by some miracle he DOES, I will enthusiastically do all I can to see he becomes POTUS. I think he would be the BEST choice. If you’re laughing, I don’t care..if it makes you feel any better, I get that from the Conservative side too and it doesn’t bother me from THEM either. I still support him and can “defend” WHY I support him and why I think he would have the BEST chance of WINNING this election.
If you Conservatives want to chime in…with WHAT?? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND? He’s a KOOK, his foreign poiicy is dangerous, only “truthers” and drug users ( I am neither) support Ron Paul..yea I’ve heard it all…I just challenge you to LOOK at his RECORD, and READ THE CONSTITUTION!!!! If you think he is “unelectable”..just take a look at the support and enthusiasm he is generating everywhere he goes from all sides of the political spectrum….the MEDIA won’t tell you…not even FOX.
I’ve read some articles that indicate that the “Establishment” Republicans are trying to HIDE the actual support that he is getting by kind of “fibbing” the number of delegates and percentages of support that he is getting in these States, and they can prove it…and that they also have a “back-up plan”..and the Republican “Establishment” is getting sort of worried. We’ll see, all I am saying is that I am not going to give up hope, no matter how small it may be, while there is STILL hope.
Having said all that, I will support WHOEVER is the nominee, even Mitt Romney, just not as enthusiastically. The ANYBODY BUT OMAMA sentiment is very strong…and although I hate to vote for Obama-lite, I will. I think this sentiment would also carry the day if Ron Paul should, by some miracle, get the nomination. ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!!, even if it’s RON PAUL!! When you see former candidates “endorse” Mitt Romney…it’s not because all of a sudden they agree with him on everything…they are taking the ABO stance…and like everyone ELSE..they are kind of ignoring Ron Paul.
I’m not sure I am trusting this “Republican establishment” much more than I trust this “New” Democratic Party when it comes to listening to the will of “We The People.”, sorry to say.
If Ron Paul should NOT get the nomination and then run as a third party?…I don’t know, ask me again later..it would depend on a number of factors as to whether I am willing to “risk” another Obama term on a 3rd party candidate, I may or may not be.
I wish that I could be more confident about it being a legitimate election, but it is not looking like ANYONE of either Party is going to do much to ensure that.
I sort of feel the same in the Virginia Senate Contest. I will support whoever is the Nominee,..but my PRIMARY VOTE is going to Bob Marshall. (sorry Chip and Greg A.)…he has the best “record” of standing for the Constitution, and the 10th amendment..what the other candidates SAY they will do….Bob Marshall has ALREADY been doing. He has been fighting hard to protect the Citizens of Virginia from the Heavy Hand of Federal Government overreach for 20 years…his record shows that.
Probably the GOP cut WIC because 1) it is effective and 2) it doesn’t allow pregnant women to buy junk food with her federal aid like food stamps (SNAP) does.
Contrary to popular believe, SNAP is a government program not for the poor. It is actually a gigantic, taxpayer subsidy to the Grocercy Manufacturers of America. That’s were ALL the money winds up. The poor are merely a pass through.
Sharon, there’s a red under your bed. Google it, click on the second hit.
Sharon N, I never thought you were taking gov’t assistance, or meant to suggest that you were. I just wondered how you felt about Romney. If you thought he would help the poor and middle class? I don’t think he will give them a second thought.
As for Ron Paul, I’m not laughing at you for supporting him. I have a couple of friends who support him. It’s their choice, but he will not get the nomination. I think he has about as much a chance of becoming President as I do.
A know-nothing ‘post of the day’..laughable at best ! what a jealous mind, so sorry sandi but that was pathetic, is that the best you can do? Why don’t you look into all the lies and crap bammy has told you, scared to, huh? scared you might find some truth.
like dan ackroyd used to say on the original snl, point/counterpoint..sandi, you ignorant ____ you can fill in the blank yourself..
I will vote for anyone that refuses to piss on the Constitution like barack 0bama does every day, he is a fraud.
Excuse me People…..
You are praising a “post of the day” that has nothing IN it but ONE WORD blurbs…facts?..how can ONE word be a fact?..how can one word be “truth”?
Suzie breaks down each “strawman” and gives examples…and yet again you start hurling the personal insults, without being able to disprove or defend, or even give a counter argument for anything she has said.
What has you so upset? That she challenged that post?
I would think you all could do better than that….if you feel she is wrong, tell us why you think so.
“You’re Lying!!” is hardly a response worthy of much merit.
This is what they do all the time, Sharon. No facts at all in the OP, yet they never challenge the arguments in the rebuttal; just hurl insults. These people are the nasty ones, yet they clamor to get conservatives banned. I’ve always said it’s an upside-down world in liberalville. In their world everything is the exact opposite of reality.
Most recent ass-backward “reality” of liberalville?
Dark-skinned dark-eyed hispanic George Zimmerman is a “cracker”, but lily-white blue-eyed Elizabeth Warren is a minority.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=george+zimmerman+cracker+elizabeth+warren&num=10&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1267&bih=597&tbm=isch&tbnid=H6i5FYUE0J_yJM:&imgrefurl=http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05/harvard-law-school-wont-say-if-elizabeth-warren-is-its-one-little-indian/&docid=F4laQy4Nk3HxtM&imgurl=http://thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/cracker-e1336172495578.png&w=500&h=368&ei=Q3CmT8umNIec2AXNrJynAg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=2&sig=118103896345075292608&sqi=2&page=1&tbnh=129&tbnw=169&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:72&tx=288&ty=246
LMAO. The leftwing idiots will twist themselves in a knot to say “up is down”.
So funny to see, praise the post of the day with one word hits and denounce post #2 that at least shows a little detail and explanation. Hello! Both parties are schills and schmucks.
Ryan’s bill makes a lot of necessary cuts. It may or may not cut WIC, but leave it to the left to lie and/or make a dishonest or exaggerated misrepresentation for political gain in an election year. Figures.
Personally, I think those 47% freeloaders who pay no federal tax should chip in at least a small share of their kids’ food and milk. You’d think they’d want to. So I’m fine with encouraging them to do a little themselves.
Dan
The GOP cut WIC because they are conducting a war against women and children. Don’t get off message.
Speaking of reds under the bed, here’s the latest right-wing nuttery, compliments of Virginia’s own Doug Domenech, state secretary of natural resources: “I though there was some value in talking to pastors about about environmental issues. They may not recognize when there is an effort to infiltrate the churches with environmental thinking>” (Christina Nuckols column today)
WHAT????????? There’s a wacko commie environmentalist behind every tree? This is the sort of loon we have as natural resources secretary. And guess what wingnut appointed him.
23. Dan Casey – that is the real truth behind the Republican Party. They are against the federal government when it helps poor people; but for government spending when it means government contracts for their companies. Your two most conservative business people on this blog constantly decry government spending and too big of government; yet, their businesses are dependent on the lucrative government contracts in construction and software. The Conservatives enjoy suckling the government teat; they just do not want any competition or regulation in doing so.
Suzie writes: “You were never Republican. People generally don’t get dumber with age.”
Kudos to Suzie. She finally admits that the dumber they are the more likely they are to be republican. And praises Bill for not being in that category. I knew with enough coaxing, she’d see the light eventually.
Suzie@8:55
So now the extremist exaggerator assumes that all of the 47% of the people who didn’t pay federal income tax because of Republican legislation that set it up that way, are all on WIC and not paying for their kids’ milk and food. Let’s see the breakout on those numbers.
Kudos to Suzie. She finally admits that the dumber they are the more likely they are to be republican. And praises Bill for not being in that category. I knew with enough coaxing, she’d see the light eventually.
No, sugar. As people mature and get smarter, they typically become Republicans if they weren’t before. They rarely go the other way because people rarely get dumber.
I loved Elizabeth Warren’s comment that “Indians have high cheek bones”. Let’s see if any of you liberals will condemn those condemn those comments, since you readily whine about people who describe characteristics of the races
That big lib nur keeps stepping in it.
So now the extremist exaggerator assumes that all of the 47% of the people who didn’t pay federal income tax because of Republican legislation that set it up that way,
Wait a minute. I thought the Bush tax cuts were for the rich. You mean they were for the poor too?
You mean that stuff you’ve been blabbing for a decade has been a lie????
Oh, dang. Did the OP get derailed? How did that happen? LOL.
I think Dan’s statement:
“Probably the GOP cut WIC because 1) it is effective and 2) it doesn’t allow pregnant women to buy junk food with her federal aid like food stamps (SNAP) does.”
is indicative of the fundamental reason our government can’s solve even the simplest of problems. The vitriol between parties has degenerated into a reality-TV style name calling fest that seeks only to malign the other party rather than solve problems. We no longer see the political opposition as well-intentioned people who hold different beliefs. Instead we see them as an enemy with malicious intent. When we fall into this trap of childish name-calling and hateful innuendo, we no longer focus on problem-solving. Instead we focus on how we can beat the other side. Sadly we have turned from the ‘Greatest Generation’ and a nation of problem solvers and society builders into a nation of whining children with an entitled mindset that glorifies the mis-deeds of the likes of Teen Mom and The Housewives of Wherever. We reward abhorent behavior with fame and then are surprised when our youth aren’t mature enough to realize they should not emulate this behavior. We seem more than content to wallow in the muck as long as we can blame the fact that we chose to do so on our political enemies. Unless there is a fundamental change of attitude, behavior and belief on BOTH sides, I see little hope for the future of this society.
As to whether Romney will help the poor and middle class, I hope so. I think the idea that he will only be for the rich is a silly argument made by political enemies. Even the dimmest candidate knows that the bulk of the electorate is composed of the poor and middle class. Hard to win an election if you can only count on the proverbial 1% to vote for you.
The issue is, how will he try to help. This is where we differ in politics. Too many people in society today think “help” means cutting them a check. Subsidizing their life and affording them a comfortable life regardless of their personal contribution. Personally I think to do so once again fosters laziness and poor personal choices. If a child learns that he/she can get something without following rules or working to get it, they will take the easy route every time. It’s like letting them choose between ice cream and cauliflower. Are we surprised when they choose ice cream?
Similarly, we are talking about a society that is enthralled by the likes of Lindsay Lohan and Kim Kardashian. Do we really think we can just hand this group the means to either help themselves or continue their poor decision making and trust that they will make the right choice? I think helping means providing opportunities. Opportunities to attend college, opportunities to work, opportunities to make the most of their lives. I do not think enabling bad behavior by giving them money regardless of their effort helps to do anything but perpetuate the cycle.
Debbie asked if someone thought Romney would help the poor. Given that it is election year, I think a fair question might be, will Obama ever get around to helping the poor and middle class if re-elected and if so, how will he do it. He’s had almost three and half years and so far he has promised the world but hasn’t really delivered much. Yes, yes I know, it’s Bush’s fault . . .
BTW, the captcha thing still sucks!
Way to give a non answer Suzie. Now would you like to address the real lie in your statement and tell us how many of the 47% are on WIC? Never deal directly with a question when you can tell another republican lie.
The Bush tax cuts were desrtructive to our country and to oue economy.
Leaving the tax structure in place that was in effect under Bill Clinton, and not using deficit spending to finsnce two wars, onbe of which was totally unjustified would have left us on the road to paying off the debt
and growing the economy for everybody.
Suzie writes: “As people mature and get smarter, they typically become Republicans if they weren’t before. They rarely go the other way because people rarely get dumber.”
Truth is, people DO get dumber as they get older. Sorry to burst your bubble, Toots.
According to recent study
(Bugg, J., Zook, N., DeLosh, E., Davalos, D. & Hasker, D, (2006). Age differences in fluid intelligence: Contributions of general slowing and frontal decline. Brain and Cognition)
two of the primary causative factors for decreased fluid intelligence in the elderly are (a) decreased speed of cognitive processing (a generalized cognitive slowing mechanism) and (b) decreases in the executive functions of the frontal lobes as evidenced by decreased frontal lobe volume, alterations in frontal lobel cell morphology, and reductions in cerebral blood flow to the frontal and prefrontal brain lobes.
Sharon N:
“RON PAUL is who I would like to see get the nomination”
Interesting. I’m sure it was Ron Paul’s desire to decriminalize drug use or support for the LGBT community that swayed you over Rick Santorum???
Leaving the tax structure in place that was in effect under Bill Clinton, and not using deficit spending to finsnce two wars, onbe of which was totally unjustified would have left us on the road to paying off the debt
and growing the economy for everybody.
How would we have paid for the damage done from a super al-queda attack in 2003 or 2004 had we sat on our hands like your side wanted us to do after 9-11?
The necessary Iraq war cost $600-$800 million. The Bush tax cuts, pretending they had nothing to do with the tremendous economic growth of the 2000s still “cost” only $210 billion a year. So you’re still a mile away from Monkey Boy’s $5 trillion added to the deficit.
So you basically pulled your claim of the debt being paid off out of your ass.
Let’s deal with the crap Suzie Q puts out one pile at a time. See the article linked below.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/06/07/238602/chart-debt-without-bush-tax-cuts/?mobile=nc
Here’s some info dealing with pile # 2 from Suzie Q.
“Likewise, the Iraq War helped the economy in some ways. But to many experts, the costs will far outweigh and outlast the benefits.
As U.S. operations in Iraq end, tallying up the costs and benefits of a nine-year ordeal is a daunting task. Estimates on Iraq War spending vary. The Congressional Research Service has put the Operation Iraqi Freedom pricetag at $806 billion.”
“One key way that the war’s costs will outlast its operations is in veterans’ health care. A recent paper from the Center for American Progress estimates that the projected total cost of veterans’ healthcare and disability will run between $422 billion and $717 billion.”
“It’s really the decision of how to pay for it that has had such a negative effect on the U.S. economy. Because unlike any previous war in U.S. history, this was paid for entirely by debt at the same time that we cut taxes,”
“The Center for Budget and Policy Priorities has estimated that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, together with the Bush tax cuts, will account for almost half of the projected $20 trillion debt in 2019.”
From U.S. News & World Report (12/15/11)
Here’s pile # 3.
Notice all Republicans are against repealing this. Notice also its cost. $7 Trillion. But Rep. Paul Ryan has a plan for that. We all know what a load of crap his plan is. He and Suzie Q must eminate from the same pile of DNA crap.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/18/gop-2012-candidates-opposed-to-repealing-unfunded-medicare-drug-benefit/
Here’s a link to an interview with Bruce Bartlett, a chief economic adviser to Pres. Reagan & architect of the Reagan tax act of 1986. He tells the plain truth about the damage done by Pres. GWB & his Republican cohorts.
http://billmoyers.com/segment/bruce-bartlett-on-where-the-right-went-wrong/
Suzie, You really are angry at everyone except those who agree with your uninformed comments. When someone calls our President Obama a racist name Monkey Boy, and a bastard, you really are sick. I wonder if you call yourself a Christian? If you say you are, you certainy don’t know the Golden Rule…Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Shame on you. Learn something before you comment again.
Ellen,
Suzie is typical of a certain brand of conservatives in this polarized day and age. You’re 100 percent right that they’re angry. They are seething that Barack Obama is president. They are furious that he co-opted a Republican health-care plan and got it though Congress. They are appalled that he gave the order for the military to take out bin Laden. They believe only a Republican should got to have given the order.
Mind you, they do not care about the country. They care about being in power, so they can reward their friends or stomp on their political enemies.
Keep in mind, the above does not apply to all conservatives. It applies to SuzIe, for sure, and a particularly virulent subset of conservatives. They are not few in number though.
Ellen is one of those liberals who doesn’t think conservatives should be allowed to respond to liberal crap. She especially doesn’t like it when someone responds in forcefully in no uncertain terms. And dear, I call 0bama Monkey Boy because his thin lips and big ears (both Caucasian features) make him resemble a chimpanzee. Y’know. Just the way your side referred to “Chimpy’ Bush for eight years.
Ron thinks “Think Progress” is a real source. And thanks for linking Bruce Bartlett. He’s the one who supplied my statistic of $210 billion a year “cost” for the Bush tax cuts. I guess that means you agree with me on that. Thanks!
fluid intelligence
Lynda,
You really shouldn’t throw around terms you don’t understand. There are two types of intelligence; fluid intelligence and crystallized intelligence. Fluid intelligence involves quick processing, which does decrease with age. The type I’m talking about is crystallized intelligence which involves the accumulation of knowledge and indeed becomes stronger with age. That’s why older experienced people often become Republican.
“Crystallized intelligence involves knowledge that comes from prior learning and past experiences. Situations that require crystallized intelligence include reading comprehension and vocabulary exams. This type of intelligence is based upon facts and rooted in experiences. As we age and accumulate new knowledge and understanding, crystallized intelligence becomes stronger.”
http://psychology.about.com/od/cognitivepsychology/a/fluid-crystal.htm
A word of advice to liberals: Don’t fool around with big words or complex ideas. You’re liable to injure yourself.
Lynda K, to quote a country song and in defense of “mature” folks, “I’m as good once as I ever was”……lol
Ellen,
Suzie is one of those who were referred to in Matthew 13:14 which says
“In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.”
Terribly sad, but true.
So you’re an adherent of the Bible, are you, Ron?
Still looking for the passage where it says it’s OK to cut up little babies.
Okay – so here’s refuting most ill-informed’s ‘no war on workers’ remarks, that frankly made no sense [dare I say, "as usual?]
WAR on Workers –
FACT #1 – Republicans were against extending the payroll tax-cut extension
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-20/news/30536517_1_tax-cuts-low-taxes-payroll
FACT #2 – Republican opposed extending unemployment benefits.
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2010/12/clueless_about_the_jobless.html
The Council of Economic Advisers estimates that, without unemployment insurance, the economy would generate 478,000 fewer jobs by the end of 2014.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/12/15/extending-unemployment-insurance-essential-our-economy
FACT #3 – During Bush’s eight years in office, the economy lost 646,000 private sector jobs. Under Obama, it’s lost 274,000 jobs despite the fact that the economy was losing hundreds of thousands of jobs per month when he took office – thanks to the Bush Republican policies. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
FACT #4 – House Republicans called for drug testing for everybody seeking unemployment benefits and the bill they introduced would allow states to screen claimants who lost their jobs. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/15/unemployment-insurance-unemployment_n_1279415.html
So, here’s a cup, do your thing even though you paid for your unemployment benefits…
FACT #5 – Senator Harking (D-Iowa) introduced a bill to increase the Federal minimum wage, however, there is “little to no chance in the GOP-controlled House” as Republicans are “loath to raise the minimum wage or put any regulations on employers…”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/minimum-wage-tom-harkin_n_1389457.html
Republicans offer the reason as it would kill jobs and stymie business growth. There has no evidence of such in the last increases to minimum wage – 40 hours @7.25 = $15,080 yearly gross salary.
At the end of the day, what ever happened to the Republican mantra of 2010 – “jobs, jobs, jobs”? Republicans at both the state and federal level instead, have been about trying to repeal the health care law, defund Planned Parenthood, gutting the EPA, passing Personhood legislation, union busting – everything but creating jobs, boosting the economy or concentrating on the everyday challenges of the working American middle class.
#22 Sharon N… [hint:]
verbose
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adjective
characterized by the use of many or TOO MANY WORDS; wordy: a verbose report.
Once again Suzie sidesteps justifying her lie that the 47% who do not pay federal income tax don’t provide milk and food forheir children and are all on WIC. Come on girlyman, lets hear the stats and see the link that supports that lie.
Suzie Q,
Just so you know, my wife and I have three sons who survived child birth and are living today. Our first son, Jacob, died while in my wife’s womb at 5 months. My wife carried him to term and as we knew he would be, he was stillborn. Our second son, Isaac, also died while in my wife’s womb at 4 months. Again, my wife carried Isaac to term and he also was stillborn. Both Jacob & Isaac’s remains were interred in the family cemetary near my ancestral home in southern Indiana. My wife and I were advised to terminate both her pregnancies when it was determined our sons were dead. She & I chose not to do so, despite the potential threat to her health.
You really need to find someone else to accuse of cutting up babies.
Unfortunately in Suzie’s case, there wasn’t much fluid intelligence to begin with. Then the experience factor caused hers to ossify rather than crystallize. You can feel free to look up ossification.I’ll even help you. Just type in G-O-O-G-L-E and click on search.
“Crystalline intelligence” is what meth users think they get from that nasty stuff.
Good girl, Suzie… You looked it up! So glad to see you can still operate a dictionary.
Unfortunately in Suzie’s case, there wasn’t much fluid intelligence to begin with.
I can outquick you any day of the week, gramps.
Ron,
Makes it all the more amazing you don’t think other babies should have the same shot to live yours did.
Wow Ron. I have a lot of respect for that difficult decision. If anything, the experience would only make one appreciate thier children even more.
Ah Ron. You and your wife are so brave but no one on here owes that miserable dried-up *itch anything so personal. You don’t need to justify your views to her or anyone else.
#63 I’m sorry about your losses, Ron.
Let’s see. I worked a 12 hour day today so I’m just catching up. Of course, dear Sandi your post is a perfect example of how average Americans see the daily struggle and recognize the GOP and TEA bagger war to finish off us middle class Americans who are footing the bill so folks like suzie enjoy early retirement, live on the public dime and can blog all day.
For Gods sake folks, think before you vote in November. The GOP is smelling blood in the water and it’s all because they are underestimating the intelligence of the American voter. Mitt goes out or his surrogates on a daily basis and just tells lie after lie on Obama and the state of the Union. Obama has done Yeoman’s work righting the American ship that Bush destroyed in his eight years of unabashed spending on war and profiteering.
It’s real Simple.
Bin laden is dead and GM is alive. Obama and Biden in 2012.
I saw a great bumper sticker the other day. It said The Republican party is not the right to LIFE party. It’s the Right to BIRTH party.
So true
Re: Comment by Kristen — May 6, 2012 @ 10:47 pm
Plus one, here.
FWIIW, just ignore the so-called “content” of the miserable dried-up [whatever's] comments. It drives her nuts.
Nah, that’s not a drive. It’s just a short walk. A very short walk.
Responding to the alleged content of her tripe gives her the mistaken illusion that she is being taken seriously.
To be sure, her comments some times dovetail into others’ comments. So, occasionally we will debate issues that other raise and she parrots. And, IMHO, that’s life.
However, her digs at individuals, name calling, and general hatefulness is best ignored — unless, of course, you can rip her up the way Contrasuzie does. Poking fun at her is fair game. Have at it.
But give her comments the attention their content warrants — zip!
Dave Hicks;
Sociopaths live vicariously observing emotions they are unable to feel and this one is no exception. Like it or not, it’s hard to ignore a train wreck. You are correct, the only way to destroy it is to ignore it.
Quick! Suzie, let’s have those stats on the 47% of Americans who don’t provide milk and food for their children and are on WIC. Snap it u.p now. We’ve been waiting and waiting for those stats. I’m sure you have them ossified somewhere in that massive brain of yours
SMACK!
“Your two most conservative business people on this blog constantly decry government spending and too big of government; yet, their businesses are dependent on the lucrative government contracts in construction and software. The Conservatives enjoy suckling the government teat; they just do not want any competition or regulation in doing so.
RJB, CPA you have NAILED it!
From the Free Online Dictionary:
Ossify– To change into bone: becoming bony
Ossification–The hardening or calcification of soft tissue into a bonelike material.; To become set in a rigidly conventional pattern.
Or to put it into the vernacular—turning into a complete bonehead.
Also synonymous with Suzie, SharonN, pammalala, and Henry.
I have to agree with Cold and Richard with regard to businesses that exist pretty much only to serve the government. The business owners I know who fit this category tend to be the most rigid right-wingers out there.
I’m not even going to try and catch up w/ the first 79 comments, but Sandi, you have nailed it AGAIN
WAR on Unions –
FACT #1 – The National Conference of State Legislatures is tracking an explosion of anti-public union legislation – 744 bills that largely target public-sector unions, introduced in virtually every state, at all levels of government across the nation. Nearly half of the states are considering legislation to limit public employees’ collective bargaining rights.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/02/nation/la-na-unions-20110402
FACT #2 – HR 3094 – Republicans introduced, ‘Workforce Democracy and Fairness Act’ which redefines collective bargaining units and makes significant changes to election procedures, including one intended to intimidate employees: an employer-supplied list of eligible voters with contact information provided by the employee. This is one of many Federal level union-busting bills.
FACT #3 – The attack on unions, however, is not limited to Wisconsin. Republican lawmakers in Indiana voted late last week to advance House Bill 1468, which would put Indiana on a fast track to outlaw union security clauses; in Ohio, GOP Gov. John Kasich is pushing SB 5, a bill that would strip collective bargaining rights from Ohio public employees; in New Hampshire, the House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly last week to make New Hampshire the first state in the Northeast to enact a ‘right-to-work’ law.” http://www.goiam.org/index.php/imail/latest/8339-gop-union-busting-efforts-spread-to-indiana-ohio
Before the Tea Puppets took over the Republicans Party, Ronald Reagan’s famous remark [infamous to TP’s]: “Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.” – Ronald Reagan – 1980. http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/reference/9.1.80.html
Just a sampling of FACTS on the Republicans’ concerted efforts to bust unions that, according to some conservatives is just fine – you know, unions are like commies or fascists, or no, wait Nazis!
Cold n p pretty much sums it up! Just kidding. I have been very consistent in my views of Government spending. Since I got out of school I have been primarily involved managing Government Construction contracts and have always said providing secondary education and other necessary Government services is a responsibility of Government. Providing building spaces for these services is necessary. Although I will admit most people myself included rationalize positions that best serve their interest. “Cut the other budget, but don’t touch mine”. My hypocrisy does know some bonds.
@63 Ron, words can’t adequately express how sorry I am about what your family went through. (And I’m also joyful about your 3 sons.) I agree with Kristen @70 as well, but sometimes it is just necessary to push back in the most direct way imaginable. I applaud your candor.
Could this be the biggest Troll fail, to date”
Former presidential candidate Newt Gingrich says tea party activists don’t have “the passion they had in 2010.”
http://tinyurl.com/cmh5zl7
Re: Comment by Michael A. Howdyshell — May 7, 2012 @ 8:52 am
“Although I will admit most people myself included rationalize positions that best serve their interest. “Cut the other budget, but don’t touch mine”. My hypocrisy does know some bonds.”
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Ah! A breath of honesty. I, too, believe that to a lesser or greater degree most people (myself included) rationalize positions that best serve their interest — a.k.a., Where-You-Stand-Depends-On-Where-You-Sit (WYSDOWYS) With a side serving of Not-In-My-Back-Yard (NIMBY). My hypocrisy also knows some bonds.
“Some people make things happen, some watch things happen, while others wonder what has just happened” — anon.
In order to keep hypocrisy in bounds one must operate in the first group, IMHO.
I do believe that Michael and a number of others here are in the first group and keep their / our rationalized positions within bonds. I suspect that if more did we might have intelligent conversation — not name calling and fallacious, mislead, deceptive, bitter and abusive diatribes being passed off as debate.
As an INTJ, I see one area that need far more attention — we need to honestly and ruthlessly questioning “Does it work?” and “What are the untended consequences?” Only then will we have valid independence of mind, freeing us from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.
As always, YMMV.
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OTOH, if one knee-jerks to bumper-sticker appeal, one is relegated to the other two positions:
2nd. At best, they are relegated to watching their position be formed by others or by their own visceral self-interest — w/o their their own intellect being in control, obtaining other data, considering other options, anticipating unintended consequences, and making rational decisions, (IOW they watch but do not control their value setting) or:
3rd. At worst they are totally unaware that their position was formed by others or by their own visceral self-interest w/o any rational input — hence they just wonder what has happened. Ditto for the Bobble-head manipulated parrots.
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A bit of an aside. I keep hearing commentators talk about the younger generations becoming more “visually oriented” and less verbally oriented.
When I hear that I think of a number of text that I have read about how the mind of the Dark Ages operating as “visually oriented.”
For one easy to read / popular treatment see How The Irish Saved Civilization — Thomas Cahill. [Yes it is a quick and somewhat over simplified take but it's consistent with other writers, in great part.] Page 204 “A man no longer subordinated one thought to another with mathematical precision; instead, he apprehended similarities and balances, types and paradigms, parallels and symbols. It was a world not of thoughts but of images.
Even the “Romans” at Whitby presented their point of view in the new way [i.e., post classic education - dh]. They did not argue, for genuine intellectual dispute was beyond then. They held up pictures for the mind……
Now think of our world. think of how often dramatic pictures have been co-opted by sides in a dispute and visual images have driven what passes for debate.
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I do believe that Michael and a number of others here are in the first group and keep their / our rationalize positions within bonds. I suspect that if more did we might have intelligent conversation — not name calling and fallacious bitter and abusive diatribes being passed off as debate.
As an INTJ, I see one area that need far more attention — we need honest, ruthlessly, questioning of n “Does it work?” and “What are the untended consequences?” IMHO. only then will we have valid independence of mind, freeing us from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.
As always, YMMV.
Pork looks different when it comes wrapped as your pay check.
LOL!
Very next RSS feed was a tutorial in crafting visual images.
http://tinyurl.com/7qjga6z
Re: Comment by Kristen — May 7, 2012 @ 12:55 pm
Or, conversely, the much needed civic improvement takes up your parking space.
77. Cold N P — The sad thing is these same government contractors want to cut benefits to the poor as unnecessary. They fail to understand that cutting food stamps or WIC not only supports feeding a family it also keeps grocery stores in business, increases tax inflow to local governments, and exponentially increases the GNP. They tell us that their contracts are necessary to run the government, but the truth of the matter is that with out the other government programs, there would be no need for government offices and buildings, subsidized housing, or government software needs. The resident misinformatio troll on this site declares that the government does not create jobs over and over; yet time and again, the government keeps contractors and software companies in business.
John Wilburn:
For all of the complaining I see in here about my long-winded posts, ya’ll sure do make me have to repeat myself a lot. I stated that my 1st Choice was Herman Cain. When he dropped out…my 2nd choice was Ron Paul, and still IS. Where do you see Rick Santorum (or anybody ELSE) in that mix?
With Ron Paul being my 2nd choice, because I liked 90% of what he stood for, I got involved in researching his reasoning behind the 10% I thought was a “deal breaker” in my mind..and found that it wasn’t a deal breaker at all…it makes perfect sense according to the Consitution….so now I agree with him 100%…and can defend that position..if any Conservatives would like to debate that.
Debbie:
I’m sorry, I guess I didn’t make myself very clear and created a misunderstanding. I didn’t mean that YOU were insinuating that I was on Government assistance. I guess I was making a point to the others in here that I don’t expect the Government to meet my needs.
Chuck:
You’re post was really profound..very well said and your “point” is spot on!! Which is why no one on the blog could “counter” it with any kind of reasonable “counter-response” at all..so they ignored it.
Don’t ever expect that anyone in here is going to step outside of the “pack” enough to tell a Conservative that they made a valid point, and don’t expect them not to attack you on any other point that you try to make on any other subject. It is a hard won “Victory” but, when they ignore your post….YOU WIN!!!
Like my response on Thursday’s thread about the FDA not needing to regulate Farmers who goods are sold LOCALLY only. No one can give me a good reason why we SHOULD let the Federal Government put their boots on the necks of our local farmers..so, they ignore it. I WIN!!
See how that works?
And that just could be because the FDA does nog have its “boot” on the neck of local farmers. When was the last time you visited one of the thriving local farmer’s markets. There is no evidence whatsoever that the FDA is doing anything to curtail those or make things more difficult for them. Just one more winger conspiracy theory with no foundation.
Mind you, they do not care about the country. They care about being in power, so they can reward their friends on stomp on their political enemies.
Keep in mind, the above does not apply to all conservatives. It applies to Suzie, for sure, and a particularly virulent subset of conservatives. They are not few in number though.
Comment by Dan Casey — May 6, 2012 @ 5:57 pm
If THIS is not a case of “Pot meet Kettle”, I don’t know what WOULD be.
“I stated that my 1st Choice was Herman Cain. When he dropped out…my 2nd choice was Ron Paul, and still IS. Where do you see Rick Santorum (or anybody ELSE) in that mix?”
Sharon, I guess your post was just so dang wordy, I couldn’t figure out who your fist and second picks were. My real question was why doesn’t someone who leads everything with their religious foot like Rick Santorum as a first choice? He was Suzie’s first choice. Oh, and NO ONE is making you repeat yourself. I think I likely speak for the board when I say, okay….we got it.
“It is a hard won “Victory” but, when they ignore your post….YOU WIN!!!”
Either that or they just have something to do, like i do here in a little while. I’ve had business or an appointment out of town and come back to find posters delighting in some perceived victory over something or another. Who ever really “wins” the argument portion of an issue? If I waste an hour of my day telling you how much I don’t need your religion, I have lost an hour of my day and dae to say you haven’t won anything. This blog is educational sometimes and can be fun, but I don’t consider the little banter that goes on here worthy of notching “victories.”
Sharon N, congratulations, you’ve morphed into Suzie.
#42 Chuck posted, “As to whether Romney will help the poor and middle class, I hope so. I think the idea that he will only be for the rich is a silly argument made by political enemies.”
Really Chuck? Here is his list of priorities expressed on the campaign trail and in the “budget” his campaign put forth…
ROMNEY’S POSITIONS and BUDGET CUT RECOMMENDATIONS:
Supports tax subsidies for Big Oil – At the expense of the middle class?
Supports tax breaks for billionaires – At the expense of the middle class?
Self-described “severely conservative” – Will he care about the poor?
Cut $500 billion overall from social safety nets – Will he care about the poor?
Gut Medicare & Medicaid as we know it – Will he care about the poor and elderly?
Privatize Social Security – Will he care about the poor and elderly?
Believes in sweeping deregulation – Will he care about the environment?
Repeal the AHC act/Romney-care – Will he care about the less fortunate?
Treat corporations as people – Will he care about real people?
Restore ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ – Will he care about all Americans?
Increase defense spending – Will he really care about deficit spending?
Defund Planned Parenthood – Will he care about women?
Opposes the Buffett Rule – Will he care about the middle class?
Eliminate the Department of Housing and Urban Development –Will he care about the poor?
Encouraged politicians to let the U.S. auto industry “go bankrupt” – Will he care about the American worker?
Labeled the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq as “tragic”- Will he prefer our troops to stay forever in the Mideast?
Minimized the search to kill Osama bin Laden as “a very insignificant increase in safety” – Does he care about the security of the US?
“Self-deportation” of immigrants – Will he eliminate the US as the “great” melting pot?
Teach a bible-based “science” – Will he continue the US” downward spiral in science and math?
Suggested letting the housing market “hit bottom”- With his multiple homes, does he care about foreclosures on middle class families?
Supports the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war – With 5 sons and none in the service, why not start another war?
Refuses to release his tax records as others have done. What is he hiding?
I haven’t and won’t complain about Sharon N.’s longwindedness, partly because I’m at risk of it, too, but moreso because no matter the length of her posts, she’s still very concise in the messages that she puts between the lines.
Take post #90, for example:
“It is a hard won “Victory” but, when they ignore your post….YOU WIN!!!”
And “..so, they ignore it. I WIN!!”
Which, in the spaces between a mere twenty words, emphatically confirms how she embodies a mindset that is not about having a conversation, but “winning”. It’s hostile or at best indifferent to the idea that conversation is how the most accurate analyses emerge (not zero sum “debate”), and disregards that conversation suffers from the mania to make everything competitive.
Perhaps entering into conversation to “win” is a behavior that needs a name; cantorsation, perhaps? As in, “One should be cantorsant with the Fox News interpretation before starting a cantorsation on the topic.” The first syllable (cant…) delivers appropriate meaning on several levels: Empty uncritical thought (Cant), a fixed angle (cant), and declaring action impossible (can’t).
For Sharon N. and the many like her, the good news is that they are not alone, and there is a large infrastructure working to keep them in that adversarial orientation.
The bad news is that honest Conversation does not have “winners”.
John Wilburn:
You are the one who tried to put words in my mouth, based on your pre-conceived notions of what YOU think that I should think, and then asked me why I changed my mind from a candidate that I never said I supported… I will call out anybody who tries to ask me to explain something that I didn’t say. I have a tendency to do that when you all attack Conservatives, Christians, Republicans or the Tea Party on things they never said too…be prepared. If we are accused of lying, I will show that we are not.
As to “being busy”..I can perfectly understand that and that will always be my “first thought” (like, I wasn’t in here all day yesterday)..but when you see people who you were discussing this particular subject with on the OTHER threads making comments, and even the trolls who usually have to follow my every comment with some kind of critizism…I think it is safe to say that my answer is being ignored because it can’t be argued.
I count that as a “victory” in that perhaps that means that I am making some small progress in trying to teach you all how to think like “free American citizens” rather than falling for every sorry excuse that the Government comes up with to just blindly turn over your freedoms. Although I see that no one will admit it…I can at LEAST hope you will think about it…and I hope you will vote accordingly…even though you’d never admit that either.
Plus, ya know, I have to confess that I came to this blog with the CRAZY idea ( there, I admit it..it was CRAZY…CRAZY to the MAX) that perhaps we could find ONE important “Cause” that we could look past our differences and work toward together. I got kind of excited when I had a couple of people who seemed as passionate about protecting our safest food suppiers..our LOCAL Farmers…as I am about it, and that we might be able to pool our energies into that one important cause.
Crazier STILL is I thought that perhaps when you got involved in THAT, you would not only see first hand what we have been talking about when we talk about “Overregulation”, and you would see how people’s property rights have been destroyed. IF we could cross party lines to fight JUST that, we could show the GOVERNMENT that we are not their little puppets, and we will NOT let them do that to Free American Citizens. Our Forefather’s did NOT fight and die for our Constitution, and the protection and freedom that it gives us for us to roll over like submissive puppies while they take it from us. NO matter WHO they are!!
Notice that I have been saying the Government, Not Obama, although he seems to be the one who is doing it most blatently and with the most defiance, not the Democrats, not the Republicans, but, the GOVERNMENT.
Further, I thought that if “We the People” could show true Solidarity in ONE thing, it would scare the HELL out of both parties, and help to keep them both in check. I know batpoop crazy huh?
But since ALL I have seemed to find here are bloggers who show their teeth and growl if we say anything that doesn’t agree with Obama, while you roll over like submissive puppies to any lie he tells you…beyond all common sense..(let me add IMO)..well, the best I can do is not let you get away with it. IF you are going to sit here and smugly type lies, I am going to call you on them…I am not going to keep going over the same arguments over and over, I am going to cut to the bottom line whenever and wherever I can and take it as a challenge to get to the point where you can’t argue with my reasoning without looking exactly like you say we look.
This might be fun.
“I will call out anybody who tries to ask me to explain something that I didn’t say.”
I simply asked why Santorum wasn’t your first choice since you’re a religious nut. You don’t want to answer and I’m not asking again. Next.
“I think it is safe to say that my answer is being ignored because it can’t be argued.”
There is a huge difference between something that cannot be argued and something that cannot be logically discussed with you.
“…that means that I am making some small progress in trying to teach you all how to think like “free American citizens”…”
You’re teaching free thinking while giving ultimate freedom of thought to your faith? You can’t teach what you don’t know.
“…I hope you will vote accordingly…even though you’d never admit that either.”
I’m voting for the same candidate you are. Are you rolling everyone on this blog that disagrees with you into one convenient little package?
“…talk about “Overregulation”, and you would see how people’s property rights have been destroyed. IF we could cross party lines to fight JUST that, we could show the GOVERNMENT that we are not their little puppets, and we will NOT let them do that to Free American Citizens. Our Forefather’s did NOT fight and die for our Constitution, and the protection and freedom that it gives us for us to roll over like submissive puppies while they take it from us. NO matter WHO they are!!”
Surely you aren’t still preaching to me here. I’m a libertarian.
“Further, I thought that if “We the People” could show true Solidarity in ONE thing, it would scare the HELL out of both parties”
I spoke too soon. Here is part of the problem: She thinks there is a two-party, two-position country. The Libertarians have been trying to do this for years. They picked the most important issue, the Constitution, and rallied around it. When one is so religiously absolutist, it’s mighty tough to get the kind of broad support you’re talking about.
“But since ALL I have seemed to find here are bloggers who show their teeth and growl if we say anything that doesn’t agree with Obama”
I’m outspokenly anti-Obama, second only to Suzie. Please tell us when you change channels…
“I am not going to keep going over the same arguments over and over,…”
Yes you will
“…I am going to cut to the bottom line whenever and wherever I can…”
No you won’t
“….and take it as a challenge to get to the point where you can’t argue with my reasoning without looking exactly like you say we look.”
Not a chance in…
“This might be fun.”
Oh, yes it will. Sharon, intellectually, you’re bringing a Q-Tip to a pugil stick fight here. There are a lot of people whom I philosophically disagree with, but they are smart. As Dan might say, you’re not cut out for this sandbox. The others here will eat you for lunch. Chill out, converse, and try to learn while you can.
Sharon N. writes like Sarah Palin speaks. Sometimes, she even (winks!)
“I’m outspokenly anti-Obama, second only to Suzie.”
Why?
Sharon N, sometimes comments just aren’t worth a response. If you want to consider people not responding to something as a win, go for it.
#98 “Are you rolling everyone on this blog that disagrees with you into one convenient little package?”
That’s what folks like suzie, pammala, and Sharon do. Sad, isn’t it?
Exactly Debbie… was going to say the same thing. If they want to consider being ignored a “win”…have at it.
Art Hill:
100.”“I’m outspokenly anti-Obama, second only to Suzie.”
Why?”
That’s a long, winding post that could go on forever. In short, he is very unqualified, has not taken tough stands against spending just as he promised he wouldn’t, and seems content to want an unending expansion of the federal government’s power. The road we’re travelling spiraling into a level of debt we may never recover from combined with constant power-grabs here and there is frightening.
All of the “Muslim” hysteria, birth certificate fiasco, pledging alegiance with the left hand internet forward, being black, and all of the other angles people use to discredit him are so besides the point, it’s laughable. On his own merits, he’s simply awful.
Let’s make a pool: At what time this afternoon will Sharon’s response finally be finished and posted?
Who wants the over/under on a word count of 600?
As she said, “This might be fun”
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I’ll make a real contest of this if Dan approves:
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What will the combined word count be for all of Sharon N’s posts be between today at 9:33am and 11:59pm Friday May 11th, 2012?
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You all can e-mail your guesses to me at john@chpclass.com. I’ll forward them to Dan. Closest guess wins a prize from my bookshelf, a copy of the Virginia Gun Owner’s Guide. LOL! I’m quite serious. Her last post was 669 words. She said “this might be fun” and I’m making sure of it!
E-mail those guesses bloggers!
To be fair, I’ll quit taking guesses at noon tomorrow. Since it’s such an odd number, it doesn’t relly matter hom many guesses one makes.
Seriously, the winner gets a copy of the Virginia Gun Owner’s Guide.
I’ll work out a way to get it to you anonymously if you wish to maintain your anonymity.
What will the combined word count be for all of Sharon N’s posts be between today at 9:33am and 11:59pm Friday May 11th, 2012?
The can’t respond to Sharon, so they play games like this.
John W. is obviously not familiar with Warlock and the novels he writes on here.
It has nothing to do with Warlock or novels. It’s simply a way to do something constructive with the poster who regularly crams 50 words into 500. It’s not fair of me to nominate extra work for Dan, but I’ll gladly accept guesses from him on a bloggers behalf. Posting your guesses creates a disadvantage for the poster and gives a Sharon N a way to steer it. You are welcome to guess if you like! If Dan is willing, I’ll send the book through him if the winner wants to maintain his/her privacy.
“On his own merits, he’s simply awful”
This country’s been in debt since the stone age, why the big deal now?
I realize you’re a Libertarian so I would imagine you weren’t that fond of Bush either. But for all the wailing and gnashing-of-teeth Obama has done nearly everything the Right has wanted him to do. Business as usual on Wall Street, passing a watered-down health reform act, continuing the Cheney Doctrine in foreign policy and domestic surveillance, sustaining Guantanamo, you name it. This is Bush’s third term! I’ve seen no moves on the second amendment, no attempts to regulate finance, no real efforts to end the war in Afghanistan and he’s taking the blame for the Bush Recession. This guy is a Republican wet-dream, why would you want to throw him out?
Art, do you even need to ask? Obama’s an under-the-radar Muslim, not born in the U.S.A, who’s a Democrat and who has never accomplished anything in his life, aside from graduating Columbia, Harvard Law, being both editor and president of Harvard Law Review, teaching law at the University of Chicago, getting elected state senator and U.S. senator from Illinois (over Alan Keyes), and then getting elected president.
. (It has nothing to do with his race of course).
Actually, just reading one or two of SharonN’s post every day engenders in me the feeling of total exhaustipation. To the uninitiated, that is a new word added to the dictionary this year. It is defined as just being too tired to give a s–t!
aside from graduating Columbia, Harvard Law
Hmm…Bush has degrees from Yale and Harvard. If y’all aren’t respecting that, why should we respect Mr. Affirmative Action?
“This country’s been in debt since the stone age”
Not under Jackson. He put a hold on lots of spending to pay off debt. I know there’s a lot of stuff to hate about Jackson, but can’t we please have a president who is dead serious about gettign out of debt? I sincerely believe Ron Paul would do it. Yes, I know Mitt cares more about Mitt than the debt, but I think he’ll at least make an effort.
Dan, I hope you aren’t throwing me in the Suzie category with all of those arguments. As for his resume, yeah, all of the college stuff is great, but I still say that isn’t a president’s real world resume.
Dave Hicks has a very good point but he’s going about it the wrong way. I too have been trying to gently suggest that Sharon N doesn’t belong in the big kids sand box but she’s a little slow to take a hint. Scratch that; she’s just a little slow period, no qualifier necessary. I’ve even gone so far as to suggest that she compose her little tirades in MS Word and than run spell check so she doesn’t come across as a delusional nitwit who got crushed by the GED but she still won’t listen.
She’s also a resilient little window licker. She’s proven time and time again to be completely tone deaf to my helpful hints and just keeps plodding along down the road towards virtual irrelevancy. She obviously ain’t goin’ nowhere. Face it, folks; she’s a lifer here.
The way I figure it, if we gotta’ be stuck with these slow learners, why not take matters into our own hands? We can’t stop Sharon N from posting here but we can damn sure try to help the poor thing be half way literate. To this end I took the liberty of doing a little research for Sharon N‘s benefit. VWCC offers a “College Composition I” class this fall which I think would be perfect for our little budding scholar. Tuition is a bargain at $387 per three hour credit course. I know this seems kind of high but if, say, 20 of us regulars each kicked down $20 we could cover the bill and get Sharon N to start composing at the 9th grade level. This also have the side benefit of consequently stopping our eyes from collectively bleeding every time Sharon N posts another dopey novelette about the Kenyan-in-Chief.
Would you guys please take a few days to kindly consider this very wise investment? All the conservatives on Dan’s blog always say that we never give to charity. This is our chance to prove them wrong and demonstrate that its us that really care about the mentally infirm. Richard J. Beason might even be able to advise to how we may be able to use our charitable deeds as a tax deduction.
Total win-win. Think about it, everyone.
#113 You mean Bush, the guy who got in only because he was a legacy? Sounds like the rich guy’s affirmative action.
“Would you guys please take a few days to kindly consider this very wise investment?”
My college composition classes have served me well and I have no problem paying it forward and trying to help with your suggestion. I should be sorry I made complete sport of it, but I’m really not. If you’ll recall, I posted a link to a textbook my first grammar and comp professor recently published. He was making all of the stuff we had to pay for, available for free to anyone who wanted or needed it. http://www.ugrammar.com
“can’t we please have a president who is dead serious about gettign out of debt?”
I believe his name was Clinton, but you guys were too busy chastising him for a consensual hummer.
“I believe his name was Clinton, but you guys were too busy chastising him for a consensual hummer.”
First of all, I hope you aren’t lumping me in with the right wing loons when you say “you guys.” Secondly, the “consensual” part isn’t the problem. The problem to me, all intelligence-stifling, religious BS aside, is that I take the commitment to one’s spouse very seriously. I DO think it is a serious black mark against Clinton’s character that he cheated on his wife.
Steve C….
speaking of charging people for posts….perhaps we should charge people who make posts that do nothing but insult other posters…you get extremely wordy with that. So many seem to be here JUST to find the best way to insult anyone who doesn’t agree with them…and never make any OTHER contributions to the “debate”.
But I know, it’s a defense mechanism..you are trying to cover up the fact that you HAVE no ideas, you don’t think anything about anything…you just want to follow the “crowd”.
Dan makes typos, gaffes, etc sometimes, and he does this for a living. yet you, nor I, expect him to be perfect.
Suzie:
I see that, I have seen them do that to you for a long time now. I wonder if they realize that they are only solidifying and proving Chuck’s post above with every comment like this that they make. LOL I, for one, will think of Chuck’s post every time they do it from now on.
I have also seen clearly that there is no reasoning with them…they can’t reason like normal people, they won’t recognize the most simple solutions to the problems that they complain about. I’m not sure why that IS. I could speculate…but have instead decided that I am going to confront them and make them defend their positions at every possible opportunity ( as time allows) …and let that speak for itself. I don’t expect to be liked, I can live with that. (smile)
John Wilburn:
I guess I will have to give you your OWN post since you can’t seem to discern specifically when I am talking to you, or talking to the posters “at large.” No, you didn’t “ask me” why I didn’t like Rick Santorum, you made a snarky comment about me switching from him to Ron Paul, when I didn’t “switch” to anybody..get it straight.
You say you are for Ron Paul…for all of the same reasons that I am…and yet, you jump on the bandwagon with everyone here and go into attack mode. Why is that?
Actually, I was really impressed with Ron Paul at one debate I watched where he gave everyone else on the stage a moment of pause (even Republicans)…it made so much common sense that no one could argue with it…do you know what I am talking about? ….dumping nuclear waste in Nevada. Does that give enough of a hint? Or do I need to write more words and spell it out.? In any case, I am trying to emulate what he did in that debate.
In my FDA conversation with Kristen and Debbie, we were discussing Food Freedom and Raw milk etc…..they both agreed with me that they should have the right to eat and drink what they want without the Government interfereing…..but, their solution was more Government Regulation…MY solution is no Government regualtion AT ALL over our small farms who only sell their goods locally… reply was “Crickets”..no response at all.
Wouldn’t THAT be a Ron Paul type ideal and solution? Wouldn’t THAT be thinking like a “free citizen” rather than thinking we needed Nanny Government to “regulate” everything, and take away our personal choices So, why are YOU also attacking me and telling me that is it something that no one could have a logical conversation about?
Why are you attacking me AT ALL? I speak out against infringements on the Constitution, and our Constitutional rights…when YOU say that you are a libertarian and you have ALWAYS said that we needed to follow the Constitution….EXACTLY what I have been saying!! I also speak up against the “Republicans” who aren’t following the Constitution, I always HAVE!! So why the attacks??
Is it because I am a Christian? Gee, I think Ron Paul is too, and I think our Founding Fathers, you know the ones that WROTE the Constitution, also believed in God. But like Ron Paul, I believe there is a difference between being a Christian and trying to regulate “morality”, under the guidelines of the Constitution. Please point out to me when I have EVER said otherwise!!!
Not wanting Muslims to come to our Country and try to undermine our Constitution, furthermore, US citizens having to go through all this “security” etc..giving away our CONSTITUTIONAL rights, to accomodate Muslims..IS a Constitutional issue.
To me..abortion is a “Constitutional” issue….I have NEVER been against abortion because I want to ridicule expectant Mothers….I want to save the Constitutional rights of the innocent life they are carrying..by any means possible. Ron Paul wants to overturn Roe vs. Wade also, but I guess HIS reason is to leave it up to the voters of each State to determine when “life” begins (as being one who realizes that sometimes “the best we can do is the best we can do”)I can sort of “live with that”..can’t you? IN no way shape or form though, do I think that CHURCHES nor their affiliated Hospitals should be forced to pay for them, or perform them..that is kind of stomping on THEIR Constitutional Religious rights..it goes both ways.
Same with Gay marriage, if Gays would just be satisfied with being allowed to have a civil union that was recognized legally…I say go for it…but, don’t demand that a CHURCH marry you. Under the Constitution..we are ALL to be treated equally, no one is a “special group” who are worthy of more rights than the rest of us..for ANY reason, not just because they feel “bullied”…so they turn around and “Bully” Christians.
You Non-Christians seem to be all gung ho about the First Amendment when it says….”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”..but when it comes to the “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”..you want to ignore that part.
So, I ask you again John Wilburn….why are you jumping on the “attack Sharon” bandwagon?
“I hope you aren’t lumping me in with the right wing loons”
Nah. But Clinton’s “indiscretions” were between himself and his wife. Even though he sold the American worker down the river he still left office with a surplus.
“No, you didn’t “ask me” why I didn’t like Rick Santorum, you made a snarky comment about me switching from him to Ron Paul, when I didn’t “switch” to anybody..get it straight.”
Nope. Still wrong three times later. At this point who cares… ALL HEAR THIS, Sharon never liked Rick Santorum. Is that better?
“You say you are for Ron Paul…for all of the same reasons that I am…and yet, you jump on the bandwagon with everyone here and go into attack mode. Why is that?”
Let’s get one thing straight; I stick to my principles. Many a time have I been in the minority here, especially on gun issues. I couldn’t care less about any perceived “bandwagon.” When you make good points, I’ll agree, when you say absurd stuff, I’ll poke it with a stick, when you defend said absurdity with religion or canned right-wing talking points, I will poke it with a stick, point, laugh, and probably see a bunch of others independently laughing and pointing too. A group of people laughing doesn’t make a bandwagon, but feel free to see it that way. Seriously, no one has to tell anyone else that your stuff is funny, we can each make that call by ourselves…. those of us who made it through all 972 words, that is.
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Nah. But Clinton’s “indiscretions” were between himself and his wife. Even though he sold the American worker down the river he still left office with a surplus.
Cool. Another endorsement of GOP tax cuts and spending rate reductions. They worked so well, Bubba (who opposed them at every turn) is now taking credit for them.
SharonN
No LGBT person that I have ever heard of has ever said that any Church should be forced to perform a marriage cermony between two LGBT citizens.
That would be an unconstitutional infringement upon their right to observe their own faith. But there are tons of marriages conducted every day by civil authorities (court clerks, JP’s, judges0 and there are also churches that do believe in same sex marriage. So denying LGBT people that right is ALSO an infringement upon their rights as citizens. And as for civil unions, most of the states adopting these bigoted constitutional amendments actually ban those too. So once again it is clear that you have a comprehension problem and don’t actually understand
the subject you are attempting to argue. That YOU can’t see THAT is typical of the problem with all your arguments.
I have also seen clearly that there is no reasoning with them…they can’t reason like normal people, they won’t recognize the most simple solutions to the problems that they complain about. I’m not sure why that IS. I could speculate…but have instead decided that I am going to confront them and make them defend their positions at every possible opportunity ( as time allows) …and let that speak for itself. I don’t expect to be liked, I can live with that. (smile)
Sharon,
As you have found out, when you confront them on their indefensible positions, they don’t even try to defend them; they just turn on the insults.
There are three reasons people in here go along with the insane illogic of the left. Number one, some of them truly don’t know any better. They are uneducated and lack the intelligence to question their marching orders. They really don’t think for themselves a whole lot. That constitutes the majority of the leftwingers in here. The second group knows their statements are ridiculous, but they just don’t care. They are pawns just the same as the dummies, though. Just a few of those here. There is a third group, and maybe only one or two in here could fall into that category; they also know this liberal crap is nonsense, but they are the ones who influence and profit from deluding others. These would be the leaders of the left, though the ones in here are extremely low-level.
….Let’s get one thing straight; I stick to my principles…
AS DO I!!
… When you make good points, I’ll agree….
Aren’t there a few things that you could agree with me on in the last post?..both of us being Ron Paul supporters and strong defenders of the Constitution and all.
…..when you defend said absurdity with religion or canned right-wing talking points….
I just ASKED you to point out WHEN I have done that.
Instead you pull a “chuck’s post” example and just ridicule…in some cases ridiculing your own “principles” ..because I share most of the same principles, just not ALL.
In any case, I am going to bed now…you have plenty of time to respond.
Sharon N,
Seriously, the entity “agreeing” with you bought a brand of bicycle from Cardinal Bicycle that they didn’t sell in 1996. Moreover, she/whatever, claims she “rode the hell” out of it. This entity is apparently unfamiliar with the hugely important role the bicycle played in women’s liberation dating back to the late 19th century (otherwise she never would have acted so progressively).
OMG. LOL. How many ways can a troll expose herself?
dave,
This is the way the whole “gay marriage” argument has gone:
1. Conservatives: “We “love” gays, but we hate their sexuality. Because we’re Christians, we love the sinner, but we hate the sin. And, watch out! Some day they will demand to be married! And btw we totally own the concept of marriage!”
2. Gays: “Because not one Christian heterosexual has ever been able to describe the day they CHOSE to be heterosexual, we know that heterosexuality is not a choice, and therefore it cannot be a sin. Therefore homosexuality cannot be a choice, and ergo, it cannot be a sin. Gay couples demand the same sort of advantages and rights that marriage confers on heterosexual couples. But you don’t have to call it ‘marriage.’ We’ll settle for ‘civil unions.’ ”
3. Conservatives: “OMG! Civil unions? You mean gays in a civil union are going to have the same legal rights that married hetero couples have? That DEBASES THE SACRAMENT OF MARRIAGE!”
4. Gays: No sacrament of anything confers ANY legal rights. We are content to settle for civil unions, which would have been OK with your God, too. And btw, gays in the military with no BS ‘don’t ask-don’t tell.’ We were born this way, for God’s sake, just like you were born hetero.”
5. Conservative: “Cilvil Unions are the same as MARRIAGE! See, we told you! Next thing they’ll want is for polyamory and bestiality to be LEGAL!”
6. Gays: We would have settled for civil unions, which gives us everything we really want because marriage is just a word. But because you’re being such asses about it, WE WANT TO BE MARRIED, you jerks!”
7. Conservatives: “We need constitutional amendments in states across this nation that not only bars gays from getting married, but bars them from civil unions, and also bars them from entering into any sort of contract (between two adults) that creates a contractual obligation that might approximate rights conferred by marriage.”
8. Gays: “Game on! We’re getting MARRIED, ha ha.”
This is a shorthand of the history of that movement. And in the same way that abolition of slavery crept through this country, despite certain “Christian” pastors that proclaimed slavery was bible-based, the movement toward gay marriage is inexorable. You might as well try to stop a glacier from melting. It’s a total losers game. And you know what that makes the people who are fighting it — losers.
Seriously, the entity “agreeing” with you bought a brand of bicycle from Cardinal Bicycle that they didn’t sell in 1996
So Dan, when you call Cardinal and find out they sold Schwinn in ’96 are you going to openly apologize to me here in the blog? Now don’t be asking them if they sell them now. And don’t talk to some 22-year-old kid. Find someone who was there then.
I just don’t understand why gays think they deserve extra privileges over and above what everybody else gets.
Apparently neither do voters in dark blue states.
“Nah. But Clinton’s “indiscretions” were between himself and his wife.”
You know he was doing Monica in the Oval Office, right? And you know he was accused of attacking Paula Jones in his Attorney general office, right? And you know he was sued for sexual harassment and committed perjury, right?
And they wanted to keep Clarence Thomas off the Supreme Court for telling a dirty joke.
Sharon N, I have some info on local farmers markets that I will post later today.
I think the President is handling this well. He is not letting his own personal viewpoint – which favors gay marriage – intrude upon the fact that it is a state issue not a federal one. Nothing in the Constitution says anything about letting Uncle decide who you can or cannot spend your life with. Therefore, it’s not a federal issue (as per the 10th Amendment).
The nuances and benefits associate with marriage vs. civil union are best left to the states.
The state can’t force churches to perform ceremonies…but they can’t prevent them either. And plenty of churches have been performing the ceremonies well in advance of legal initiatives.
This is because what goes on in church is a dog-and-pony show, and you’re not considered *really married in this country unless you’ve bought the license. No license, no marriage. And since the license is a strictly civil function much in the way getting a building permit is, the state has no business standing in judgment of the particular couple writing the check.
One day this “gay marriage” hysteria will be viewed in the same way we see (some of us anyway) Jim Crow today. One big “Duh, what were they thinking”.
Sharon N,
You are making this so much harder than it needs to be…Your grammar is just plain atrocious. Mind you, this constructive criticism is coming from the guy with the second worst grammar on the whole blog, so that ought to be telling you something. Everyone here knows you desperately want to be taken seriously but for God sakes if you keep murdering your native tongue in the process you’ll be mocked for entirety.
Look, please just try this; open MS Word and compose your first draft there and than run spell check. Simply click on all the words that have red squiggly marks under them. I swear to God its just as easy as I just described. Sharon N, I know you have some weird pre-conceived notion about how grammar is supposed to emphasis the points you are trying to make but I assure you MS Word’s programmers have a slightly better command of the English language than you do: there’s a damn good reason it’s called MS Word and not Sharon N Word. If this is too difficult for you than just let me know and I’ll personally come to your house and teach you the fundamentals. It ain’t rocket science, I promise. Your just being careless with the same grammatical rules you were taught in grade school. It’s really easy to fix if you just try it.
The grammar is the low hanging fruit, as it were. You can do this much, I promise. No, I really mean it. I know you can. The far larger issue of trying to have a dialogue with someone who insists that the President was born in Kenya is going to be your Achilles heel. But, hey, lets focus on the basics first. MS Word is your friend; use it.
Last thing; I want you to try to slow down a bit when you read other people’s posts. Your eyes obviously work faster than your pea sized brain is able to process information; at no point did I suggest charging people for posting; you’re confusing me with someone else. I’m merely suggesting that the regulars all chip in to help one of our own who obviously is in no position to help herself.
Let me know if I may be of further assistance.
Funny. The blog entity thinks I’m going to call Cardinal to try to prove the entity is not lying (again). Ha, ha, ha!
Kristen@135..yep…much ado about nothing.
Funny. The blog entity thinks I’m going to call Cardinal to try to prove the entity is not lying (again). Ha, ha, ha!
It’s up to the accuser to prove his claim. But Dan’s been busted so many times challenging me, no way he’s going there again. I suspect he has already called and gotten an answer he didn’t want to hear. LOL.
I realize this is a testosterone-free zone, but I challenge you other so-called cyclists to disprove my claim.
#139 We don’t do right wingers’ research for them. Except when they try to claim weeks after it’s been disproven that painters tape caused $7 million in damages to marble.
“I realize this is a testosterone-free zone, but I challenge you other so-called cyclists to disprove my claim.”
Comment by Suzie — May 10, 2012 @ 11:02 am
Where the hell do we start?
1-You jetted off to NYC for the day
2-You earned a Masters degree in Engineering
3-Back in the day intro level classes had a two digit course #
4-You and hubby flew to Hawaii for the weekend
5- You conducted a Facebook poll to find out who the boards biggest racist was
6-You Mansion has four separate AC units
7-Hubster’s business was one of the top 25 largest business in the valley
8- That she regularly ate at “La Cove” and chastised us spineless libs for not eating there, even though it had been closed for a year and a half.
9-That hubby’s company did duct work for La Cove.
10- Sharing with the board that Hubbys company did countless hours of heater work the the valleys vast and unappreciative minority community.
11- Insisting that Hubby’s company did not do HVAC work.
12- Sharing with us how the Golden Corral catered to millionaires with discriminating culinary tastes.
13- How she once purchased $50 Anderson Bros Hotdogs for a cook out.
And the granddaddy fib of them all, that she did missionary work in Africa with a Catholic charity that hadn’t been there.
I could go on and on. The stories about her stunning natural beauty are too numerous to count, as are her tales of her enormous wealth, yada, yada, yada.
And you expect us to actually believe this story about a purple schwinn?
Sharon N,
I asked Lindsey Nair about regulations on local farmers selling their goods. This info is from a local farmer’s market manager. She mentions state regulations and nothing about federal ones. If you have info about the feds regulating how local famers can sell their good, please provide it with links. I’m not attacking you, nor do I want others to. I’m just providing the information that the manager gave Lindsey.
The Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, has very strict regulations that apply to all farmers markets – the health department is really not involved. There are lots of regulations for pretty much everything consumable that is sold at the market. For more information and guidelines you can check out this website:
http://www.vdacs.virginia.gov/vagrown/frmsmkt-resources.shtml
Also, we have a local VDACS inspector who visits every market in the region to enforce compliance with all of the rules. It is actually very detailed and is the main reason our Blue Ridge Market Managers group was formed – so we could share our experiences and help one another with VDACS guidelines. The rules are strongly enforced and as market managers, WE are responsible for any violations.
Eggs must be clean, held at 45º or less at all times and properly labeled (Safe handling instructions, Name and address of packer, grade, and name of product). There is actually a Virginia Egg Law.
As for produce, it is really the easiest thing to sell at market. The only regulations I can think of pertaining to produce would be the way it is sold – such by the pound, bunch, pint, quart, etc. There are some state standards that give the vendor some flexibility, yet they try to be consistent throughout the state.
The final answer is that while the government has strict rules and guidelines that apply to consumable items (including pet treats. It is easier to sell fresh poultry at the market than to sell pet treats – these are much more regulated!).
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Catholic Charities doesn’t exist in Zimbabwe? Where’d you get that?
Um, notice through all that incoherent blather, Steve C. didn’t disprove anything. Next?
If you “wise” and “informed” right wingers “see” things so clearly, why are you still here wasting your time? Who goes among people who despise them, ridicule them and do not believe them if they managed to tell the truth? Seriously, Sharon N, Suzie et al, you defy all aspects of reason, truth and even decency, and yet you are still clinging to the mentality of childish playground activity. You are bullies; misinformed, unintelligent, dishonest, insulting bullies. You do not post here because anyone wants to discuss anything with you, because anyone here respects your POV or twisted world view, you post here so you can bully, intimidate and bother people. You are sad.
We’ve already been over this charade. Catholic Charities did not sponsor any trips to Zimbabwe during the period you claimed to be there. If you wanted credibility you’d post a picture that proves your adventure so that for once in your miserable virtual existence you’d be able to finally shut me up. Instead, it’s obvious that you enjoy making up outlandish fairy tails that I can use to metaphorically beat you silly with.
Q- How do you know if suz is lying again?
A- Her post shows up on Dan’s blog.
BTW Sharon N, the guidelines for farmers to sell their products locally, must not be too onerous. There are a multitude of them out there doing it every week.
What does Sen. Joe Wilson have to say about suz’s claims?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-e5UH4-Jnz-Q/TwaE5WjsYZI/AAAAAAAAKaE/RTDqh4MfGaE/s1600/joe%2Bwilson%2Byou%2Blie.jpg
“As you have found out, when you confront them on their indefensible positions, they don’t even try to defend them; they just turn on the insults.”
Coming from the person who claimed to defend her religion with “100% logic” When I asked for an explanation of Noah’s Ark and Dan asked for an explanation of immaculate conception, both using 100% logic, we were completely ignored. I’ve asked again a couple of times, but be sure she avoids it! Suzie LIVES for the reactions she solicits on this blog, don’t let her suggest any different.
“There are three reasons people in here go along with the insane illogic of the left. Number one, some of them truly don’t know any better.”
Like those who were spoon-fed religion since birth and have been successfully kept in a perpetual state of intellectual laziness ever since…. yes, go on….
“They are uneducated and lack the intelligence to question their marching orders. They really don’t think for themselves a whole lot.”
Again, coming from the folks who ignore any scientific discovery made in the last 500 years that suggests the earth is over 10,000 years old, there’s any truth that simply “didn’t make the cut” when it came to compiling the Bible, or refuse to explain the most obvious holes in the Genesis account. These kind of folks have been around forever. They were the ones arguing the earth was flat. We still have them, right here on this blog.
On average, the liberals and libertarians on this blog are more educated than the conservatives. Your master’s degree didn’t provide you with one ounce of intellect. After I got a bachelor’s, I went back for a two-year certificate in something else useful instead of a master’s I was wasn’t going to use. Dropping the master’s degree thing at cocktail party or this blog is pathetic. You remind me of a friend I have that carries a wallet-sized miniature version of his master’s degree diploma that he whips out at bars to impress chicks. It has never landed him a date. It is good only for an eyeball roll from the girl and a belly laugh for the rest of us to embarrased to be wingin’ for him.
You are right Debbie, it is not the government that makes farming “onerous”. I love a farmer’s market!
And how could I forget the biggest suz whopper of them all, the one where suz promised us she’d leave for good if Dan ever deleted one of her posts?
Like I was sayin’ suz just flat out lies. If we could take every one of her lies and lay them down side by side we could build a bridge to Zimbabwe so all her starving young un’s could just ride the unicorns suz gave them to the US for a feast of Anderson Bros. $50 hot dawgs.
“You remind me of a friend I have that carries a wallet-sized miniature version of his master’s degree diploma that he whips out at bars to impress chicks.”
Really? This doesn’t work?? Color me astonished.
Seriously, you have a friend who “carries a wallet-sized miniature version of his master’s degree diploma”? Is that a joke? How old is he? That is too precious for words! In the funniest way possible of course.
Really, if you think about it, this blog is the equivalent of Suzie rolling out her “brillant” bona fides and having them laughed at, daily. Then coming back for more. Doubtless she thinks we spend time wondering how pretty, rich, powerful, educated and traveled she is, and all we really do is laugh and make jokes at “her” expense. Then she drags poor, pitiful, Sharon N and pathetically unprepared pammala into the fray, all are woefully incapable in this arena, and yet it never stops. They are the right wing personified. Declare victory and move on Mary Katherine Gallagher!
We’ve already been over this. Charities did not sponsor any trips to Zimbabwe during the period you claimed to be there
We’ve already been over this. I didn’t go on a sponsored trip.
Wait a minute. Why am I explaining stuff to a high school grad who has never made more than 20 grand a year at any of his 24 dead-end jobs? Why don’t you tell us about your Manpower gig in Asheville over New Years, Steve. Don’t you remember? You said you were “moving away”. That didn’t last long, did it?
I must not engage losers.
I must not engage losers.
I must not engage losers.
“We’ve already been over this. I didn’t go on a sponsored trip.”
She’s finally admitting she didn’t go to Zimbabwe. Was it all a ruse so she could stop donating to charity?
A ruse would require more than “she” is capable of. Call it what it is.
She’s finally admitting she didn’t go to Zimbabwe. Was it all a ruse so she could stop donating to charity?
Ahhh… we went on our own. Dan’s Kiwanis award obviously wasn’t for being the sharpest knife in the drawer.
152.”Seriously, you have a friend who “carries a wallet-sized miniature version of his master’s degree diploma”? Is that a joke? How old is he? That is too precious for words! In the funniest way possible of course.”
I’m dead serious! All of us that know him from grade school and still hang out think that stupid thing is hysterical! He also has a surface mining permit that comes out on occasion…LOL! One time he did that and simultaneously and unplanned, I and another friend pulled a refrigerant recovery license and blockbuster video membership card out of our wallets just to make fun of him. His OMG pocket diploma was embarrased back into his wallet for at least six months, but it’s been out a few times since from what I hear.
He and I are totally different in that regard. He carries his masters from Marshall around in his wallet to show it off, where neither of my diplomas have ever been out of the envelope.
#154 suz,
I fixed your post for you.
“We’ve already been over this. I didn’t go to Zimbabwe“.
No LGBT person that I have ever heard of has ever said that any Church should be forced to perform a marriage cermony between two LGBT citizens.
That would be an unconstitutional infringement upon their right to observe their own faith. But there are tons of marriages conducted every day by civil authorities (court clerks, JP’s, judges0 and there are also churches that do believe in same sex marriage. So denying LGBT people that right is ALSO an infringement upon their rights as citizens. And as for civil unions, most of the states adopting these bigoted constitutional amendments actually ban those too. So once again it is clear that you have a comprehension problem and don’t actually understand
the subject you are attempting to argue. That YOU can’t see THAT is typical of the problem with all your arguments.
Comment by dave — May 9, 2012 @ 11:59 pm
OMG!!!! A post that I agree with Dave on…100%..I never thought THAT would happen, I’m glad I went ahead and READ that post….I agree 100% Dave, except for the part that you accuse me of not understanding, I posted above that I thought Gays should be able to be married in a Civil Union…and I have said that BEFORE on this blog. And if you all would quit trying to put words in my mouth that I have to defend…I wouldn’t need to type such long posts.
I will probably let you all know MY stance on Gay marriage in a newer post…..that will be the FINAL “word” on my position..then you all can stop with the attacks based on what you THINK I think.
What many people seem to have missed is that in the eyes of the law/government, marriage IS a civil union. That it is also a religious sacrament is not the relevant point in this debate. It never has been. You can easily get married without clergy blessing of any kind, you CANNOT get married without benefit of the government “blessing”. THAT is why it is such a BIG issue for folks like me who are not gay. Discrimination is wrong. Wrong when you do it, wrong when I do it and REALLY wrong when the government does it.
What you don’t seem to understand is that there is a difference between a marriage and a civil union. Civil authorities (clerks, JP’s , judges) perform marriages, not civil unions. You don’t have to exchange vows in a church to be married. You objuected to gay marriage because you claimed that gay people were attempting to force churches to marry them. I pointed out to you that such is not the case. Civil unions are a legal alternative to marriage. But they are NOT marriages. That s the point that you do not seem to grasp. Laws authorizing civil unions typically confer some legal rights enjoyed by married couples upon LGBT citizens who undertake them. But frequently they have some limitations and do not confer the full range of rights ad liberties afforded to married couples.
They usually are an attempt at using semantics to cover up the fact that they still limit those rights under the law. But a marriage is a marriage
with all the rights typically attendant to that status.