The Post of the Day is about a conservative Shangri La
By Dan
Note from Dan: Lots of people are spending millions these days in an effort to elect good, old-fashioned conservative leadership in Washington. They want the nation to be more like Mississippi, the most conservative state in the union. The poster known as Hillary penned this one about the Magnolia State.
Which of the 50 states has the most religious population?
More than 8 in 10 people in Mississippi (82%) say religion is very important in their lives, making the
Magnolia State the most religious according to Pew Research.
What is the most Republican and most conservative state in the nation? Mississippi
According to the 2011 data compiled by the U.S. Census Bureau:
☻Mississippi ranks 1st in the number of people living BELOW the poverty level.
☻Mississippi ranks 50th in median household income of $37,790 – the LOWEST in America – over $14,000 below the national figure.
☻Mississippi ranks 45th in school funding – this only made possible by a substantial amount of federal aid
Mississippi students have the LOWEST mean score on the ACT college admissions test.
Mississippi’s high school graduation rate: less than 60% of its children even graduate high school.
Mississippi led the Republican south — and the entire country – in providing dismal health care in 2009.
It is no coincidence that you get outcomes like Mississippi’s when you have super religious conservative Republicans governing.
These results: the worst incomes, educational performance, and health care – will be what Republicans will bring to the entire US if they can buy enough elections and representatives.
Finally we can all be Mississippians!
May 17, 2012 - 3:58 PM
Guess which state has the highest charitable giving as a percentage of income in the country:
Mississippi
Guess which state has the Lowest giving?
Massachusetts
You see, liberals believe in giving other peoples money away, and they are stingy with their own.
Conservatives believe in quiet and substantial personal charity and that confiscating others money is immoral.
I don’t know about you people, but I am sick of liberals like Hillary constantly criticizing black people. Mississippi is 37% black, by far the highest in the nation. Blacks’ high school graduation rate is 54% comparied to 78% for whites; blacks. 72% of blacks are born out of wedlock compared to 28% for whites. And 90% of blacks vote Democrat.
So Hillary is basically saying it’s the blacks (who are almost all Democrat) who pull Mississippi to the bottom of the heap in so many categories.
I just don’t know why these libs have to keep re-hashing those facts. Are they THAT racist?
Do you have a link for that source Terps?
On this occasion, 1 & 2 are RIGHT!
#2 This post is a fine example of typical RW behavior – attacking to avoid dealing with the facts.
No problem, Sandi.
http://www.forbes.com/2005/11/23/most-charitable-states-cx_lh_1125home_ls.html
The story terps linked to is from Forbes, and the outfit that ranked Mississippi #1 is called the Generosity Index. Given that “charity” includes contributions to churches (as it should, I would argue) it is hardly a big surprise that the most religious state in the nation, which also happens to be the poorest in terms of household income, ranks #1 in giving relative to adjusted gross income.
And then here are three grafs farther down in the story terps cites:
“Last year, the Boston Foundation commissioned a new study of national charitable giving that they hope would address some of the problems in the Generosity Index’s methodology. Paul Schervish, director of the Boston College Center on Wealth and Philanthropy and head author of the study, explained that the study, entitled as “Geography and Generosity,” sought to find a new way of measuring charitable donations relative to income.
Schervish, and his colleague, John J. Havens, at the Center on Wealth and Philanthropy, used three measures of income: gross household income, gross household income after taxes and gross household income adjusted for the income tax and cost of living of each state. The result presents a very different picture of the country’s charitable giving by state.
“The Generosity Index is inherently biased against high-income states like Massachusetts and Connecticut. We think our methodology is a lot fairer,” commented Schervish. In fact, using his methodology Massachusetts leaps from 44th place on the Generosity Index to 11th on the Boston Foundation’s list.”
With the new methodology, here are the top 10 state for giving:
1. Utah (conservative)
2. Maryland (liberal)
3. New York (liberal)
4. Connecticut (liberal)
5. California (liberal)
6. Hawaii (liberal)
7. New Jersey (mixed)
8. Georgia (conservative)
9. South Carolina (conservative)
10. North Carolina (mixed)
From this, we can conclude that 5 out of the top 10 states in terms of giving are liberal, 3 are conservative and 2 are mixed.
Now seriously terps, your own link states that the survey you cited is so faulty they would not use it and instead offered another one, with better methodology and M-I-crooked-letter… is not even in the top 10! Do you read your own links?
““The Generosity Index is inherently biased against high-income states like Massachusetts and Connecticut. We think our methodology is a lot fairer,”
http://www.forbes.com/2005/11/23/cx_lh_1125featslide.html
“7. New Jersey (mixed)”
What?! You mean mixed with about 10% conservatives?
In yelling praising for #2 as “RIGHT”, John Wilburn is saying that he agrees that Mississippi having a 37% black population means criticism of that state is blaming blacks. He also hopes you will let him use this type of math proficiency for buying or selling your home, so if you’re looking in the NRV, give John a call today! (People with Massachusetts accents, please leave a message).
#7 Dan – I presume Utah is number one because Mormons make up about 60% of the population, and the practice of tithing, which asks Mormons to give part of their earnings directly to the Church is calculated as “charitable donations”.
“Particular to Mormon teaching, Latter-day Saints must pay the tithe to remain a church member in good standing and participate in temple rituals. The Doctrine & Covenants, a collection of revelations from church founder Joseph Smith, says of tithing that Mormons “shall observe this law, or they shall not be found worthy to abide among you.” Nearly 80 percent of Latter-day Saints said they paid a tithe in a recent survey by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/25/romney-tax-returns-mormon_n_1230613.html
Mormon tithing is considered “charity” so the millions Romney [for example] gives to the Mormon Church becomes a tax deduction. Such altruism…
The story terps linked to is from Forbes, and the outfit that ranked Mississippi #1 is called the Generosity Index. Given that “charity” includes contributions to churches (as it should, I would argue) it is hardly a big surprise that the most religious state in the nation, which also happens to be the poorest in terms of household income, ranks #1 in giving relative to adjusted gross income.
It sure took a lot of finagling to get the stingy Massachusetts libs up from the bottom of the heap. The Boston Foundation method essentially counts cost of living and state income taxes as charitable giving, a bogus indicator of “charity” if there ever was one.
The Generosity Index tells us what we instinctively know anyway.
Wow Dan
If you had applied half of that energy and digging to Warren’s grandmother’s marriage application you would have won a Pulitzer for exposing a hoax.
Instead, I guess your conclusion is that church donations should not count as charity. Is Greenpeace more worthy?
#2 This post is a fine example of typical RW behavior – attacking to avoid dealing with the facts.
I gave purely facts. You’re the one who made a false conclusion. You blamed Republican leadership for economic ills when there is no connection.
“Never allow liberals to handle statistics; they tend to injure themselves.”
“It sure took a lot of finagling to get the stingy Massachusetts libs up from the bottom of the heap. The Boston Foundation method essentially counts cost of living and state income taxes as charitable giving, a bogus indicator of “charity” if there ever was one.
The Generosity Index tells us what we instinctively know anyway.”
Oh, I see. It should be measured against adjusted gross income alone. Presumably because the cost of living in Hawaii and Mississippi are the same, so that makes it a level playing field. Rich!
Here’s a measurement for you, Suzie (and terps).
Compared to GDP, spending, taxes, and the deficit are ALL lower today than on the day that Barack Obama took the oath of office.
Biden gave $300 to charity last year. Case closed.
#14 most ill-informed posted, “You blamed Republican leadership for economic ills when there is no connection. ”
FACTS AND HISTORY – The enemies of Republicans and quite a few on this blog:
From a report by Bloomberg – Feb 22, 2012
“While Republicans promote themselves as the friendliest party for Wall Street, stock investors do better when Democrats occupy the White House.
From a dollars- and-cents standpoint, it’s not even close.
The BGOV Barometer shows that, over the five decades since John F. Kennedy was inaugurated, $1,000 invested in a hypothetical fund that tracks the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index (SPX) only when Democrats are in the White House would have been worth $10,920 at the close of trading [February 21, 2012]
That’s more than 9 times the dollar return an investor would have realized from following a similar strategy during Republican administrations.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-22/stocks-return-more-with-dem-in-white-house-bgov-barometer.html
Oh, I see. It should be measured against adjusted gross income alone. Presumably because the cost of living in Hawaii and Mississippi are the same, so that makes it a level playing field. Rich!
I don’t see why not. Cost of living is higher in the blue states, but higher wages offset that.
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Compared to GDP, spending, taxes, and the deficit are ALL lower today than on the day that Barack Obama took the oath of office.
Government pending as a percent of GDP is a circular measurement which doesn’t prove a damn thing since GDP is partially determined by how much government spends. (Kinda like saying “I’m tall because I’m tall”). So if government spending is high and private spending is lower, the ratio of government spending to GDP will naturally be lower.
I’m sure you’ll also give 0bama credit for illegal immigration being at a standstill now. (Our economy sucks so bad, illegals think they have a better deal back home).
If you had applied half of that energy and digging to Warren’s grandmother’s marriage application you would have won a Pulitzer for exposing a hoax.
I don’t think Pulitzer would reward that kind of digging. Above all else, Dan doesn’t want to be another Bernard Goldberg.
Bernard Goldberg is an American hero, btw. He was the first MSM insider to admit what we conservatives always knew, that the MSM was institutionally biased far to the left. Almost immediately after his 1996 piece in the WSJ, 25-year network veteran Goldberg was stripped of his duties at CBS. To the libs in charge, his “crime” was far worse than Jayson Blair’s of the NYT who fabricated stories. He was a traitor to the cause.
On the latest return, the Bidens listed $5,540 in donations to charity
#16 Terps you made the same comment about 6 months ago…”Biden gave $300 to charity last year. Case closed.”
and I corrected you then, so your up to your old trick of simply lying to make an invalid point:
Your statement is absolutely FALSE, and as you continually to appear FACT-challenged, here is the information on his tax return [how many times must you be presented with FACT before you stop the LIE?
According to the White House [release], “Together, [the Bidens] reported adjusted gross income of $379,035. The Bidens paid $87,900 in total federal tax for 2011. They paid $13,843 in Delaware income tax and $3,614 in Virginia income tax. The Bidens contributed $5,540 to charity in 2011.”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bidens-donate-15-percent-income-charity-2011_636971.html
Dan,
Have you been to Ole Miss in Oxford? Great school! The Greeks rule and you still see blue blazers and ties at football games. My kind of school, I would be very pleased if any of my boys applied to Ole Miss. I see Mississippi through a different light than you do. Have you read much Faulkner?
It sounds like the author of the post doesn’t like African-Americans.
Suzie, if you applied half of your venom to telling the truth, you would not be such a pariah.
“In yelling praising for #2 as “RIGHT”, John Wilburn is saying that he agrees that Mississippi having a 37% black population means criticism of that state is blaming blacks. He also hopes you will let him use this type of math proficiency for buying or selling your home, so if you’re looking in the NRV, give John a call today! (People with Massachusetts accents, please leave a message).”
Warren, you’re an a*hole.
@7 Dan,
Funny how you point to something that factors income tax into the equation. Income tax should be irrelevant in giving since charitable contributions below a threshold (around 50% of agi cash and 30% something assets) is deductible therefore reducing taxable income and tax liability. If anything the higher tax states such as Mass. should encourage giving based on the taxes rather than discouraging giving.
Also funny is how you list New Jersey and North Carolina as mixed. This is especially funny after a week when North Carolina was referred to as back woods etc. on this blog after the vote against same sex marriage.
To put things in perspective, you have asserted in the past that both California and New York are swing states.
“Lots of people are spending millions these days in an effort to elect good, old-fashioned conservative leadership in Washington.”
Really Dan? As opposed to the Obama campaign which plans to spend a BILLION dollars on this campaign? Seems like conservatives aren’t the only ones who are spending tons of money to bring their candidate to Washington these days. They are just the only ones taken to task for it.
“On the latest return, the Bidens listed $5,540 in donations to charity.”
This means terps is off only by a factor of 19. Not bad for him.
Oxford is beautiful. The rest of the state looks looke a 3rd world country.
We all know the Weekly Standard is just another liberal rag.
Obviously, BM doesn’t realize that charitable giving is deductible only to taxpayers who itemize.
Oh so Warren is an “a*hole” for making fun of you John Wilburn, but you are what for making fun of Rachel Maddow? If the shoe fits…I think you got bit by what you brung.
Woah! Don’t look now but it appears Suzie has respect for an award given to journalists!
I thought her belief was that awards like the Pulitzer were hokey and unnecessary since its just a bunch of libbie-coms patting each other on the back. For preaching the party line.
At least that’s what she said months ago when she was preaching that the Associated Press and ProPublica were Soros funded propaganda machines.
Terps is lying more and more on this blog. Sad. And pitiful.
Here’s some song lyrics I wrote once about Mississippi. It’s a pretty long song, and they veer from the serious to the absurd and back to serious, but for whatever they’re worth:
I swear last night I fell asleep in Kokomo,
But somehow I woke up today in Tupelo,
And you’re gonna think I’m crazy, but strange as it sounds,
Mississippi seems to follow me around.
I dreamed I was up on a high mountain ridge,
With a view clear down to the Tallahatchie Bridge,
I awoke just as Billie Joe’s throw hit the ground,
Mississippi dreams do follow me around.
Mississippi ain’t s’posed to be where I am,
When I’m visitin’ folks over in Birmingham,
I look at Alabama clay but see fertile Delta ground,
Mississippi seems to follow me around.
I left Itta Bena during Hurricane Katrina,
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was gone,
Even Stevie wondered how I found higher ground,
But Mississippi seemed to follow me around.
One summer when I’d saved up a couple dollars,
I went to Oxford to try to be a road scholar,
I found and hurried through that sound and fury town,
And Mississippi seemed to follow me around.
Cleveland and Canton I used to think were way up north,
With their Halls of Fame, their factories and so forth,
But when I got up there you can guess just what I found,
Mississippi seemed to follow me around.
And when I go to Jackson Tennessee,
Playing music with those rockin’ hillbillies,
Instead of Carl Perkins it’s a Marty Stuart sound,
Mississippi seems to follow me around.
McKinley, Chester, Riley, Bo,
Tammy, Conway, Charlie, so
No matter by what name they gained renown,
Mississippi seemed to follow them around.
Jimmie Rodgers, Elvis Aron,
Robert Johnson, Jesse Garon,
The ghosts of Mississippi have been crowned,
Even when they’re sleeping in the ground.
So I went down to the crossroads, where I thought I heard the devil,
And I offered him my soul if I could sing like Aaron Neville,
But when I dared to look it was my friend Boy Willie Brown,
Mississippi seems to follow me around.
No one would mistake me for that fat cat Haley Barbour,
Or a poor Haitian refugee in Gulfport Harbor,
I sit in bars, ’til I see stars, as my sorrows drown,
Since Mississippi started following me around.
See, until I married Delta Welty, I had no Welty kin,
She looks like Delta Burke, and acts like works a sin,
But she was so eudorable in her cotton wedding gown,
Mississippi seemed to swallow me right down.
For her Valentine’s wishes, I gave my missus kisses,
And a Mississippi ham……twenty pounds!
But it didn’t turn out quite the way it sounds,
Now Mississippi seems to follow HER around.
And it’s Rebel hell as she cries “more more more”
My Mississippi queen’s a mountain who can’t fit through the door,
So I’ve left my Dixie Belle to go wander town to town,
Still, Mississippi seems to follow me around.
See, her Philadelphia lawyer took my name to court,
And had the state declare that I owe her full support,
Now there’s a good ol’ boy named Bubba with a tracking hound,
That Mississippi sent to follow me around.
Sweet Home Pascagoula,
Southern man don’t mourn Tom Dula,
Strange fruit grows in Vicksburg’s hallowed ground,
Mississippi scenes do follow me around.
Warden Freeman, Bailiff Buffett, Ol’ Judge Grisham-the whole bunch,
Earn their pay signing my warrant and they’re finished before lunch,
Like the home foreclosure man when catfish prices are way down,
Mississippi seems to follow me around.
So it’s gonna be Bye Bye, Mississippi and I,
That ol’ magnolia clan won’t catch this Mississippi guy,
But no matter where I go I’ll still be Mississippi bound,
‘Cause Mississippi seems to follow me around.
(copyright 2010)
Biden’s cheaper than I thought. He averages$369 a year in charitable giving
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-12-biden-financial_N.htm
#2 suzie’s usual piece of BS.
Woah! Don’t look now but it appears Suzie has respect for an award given to journalists!
Not sure where you’re getting that. I said Pulitzers aren’t given for digging for information harmful to liberals.
Good stuff, Warren. What about Natchez, though?
Warren, that’s very cool. Do you sing it and, if so, when do we get a private concert?
#37 You said he gave $300 last year. Guess you were lying, eh, terps?
“….but you are what for making fun of Rachel Maddow?”
A typical blogger critisizing a PUBLIC figure… as you do… as everyone else does. It’s different and you know it. He’s personally insulted me several times and I don’t really care, but leave my business alone.
Well at least you never insult others John Wilburn, There is always that comfort…oh wait. Nope, you got nothing.
Michael,
Out of state costs at Ole Miss is close to $30K per year. I hope you understand that the quality of a university is not really measured by whether “Greeks rule.” The reality is, in my view, Virginia has several public universities which provide much stronger academic programs than those available at Ole Miss. In addition, there are also several high quality private colleges in Virginia equal to or better than Ole Miss. In short, I think your children would be well served by staying in Virginia. The choice of college, in my view, should be much more about fit for the student than anything else. Obviously, that’s between you and them. Good luck when the time comes.
HISS, HISSSS, Claw! Sandi wants to be reincarnated as a cat.
Only GDAD would be proud of Biden donating $369 per year to charity. I’m getting old fast and the years fly by. It was a couple of years ago that he gave around $300. That’s actually alot for a liberal.
John Wilson, I agree that your business should be off limits here
Wilburn that is…sorry John
#47 Please point out where I ever said I was “proud” of Biden.
I’ll be waiting for that post number, terps.
Bill, there is a proper context for everything. As an outspoken gun rights advocate, that’s fair game for critizism, hence why I link my class website to the blog and others link their occupy, blog, and music websites and the like. The blog is about our personal positions and discussion, not about our businesses and how we feed our families. From time to time people’s businesses get in the news, that is different, and then others like Dan’s businesses are about news itself. So to him, a 40 foot barb wire-wrapped hose habenero enema about him as a journalist is no big deal and funny at that, but personal attacks would be different.
It’s still nice that we have so many people who have so many skill sets to weigh in on the different topics. Like I spent umpteen years working in a tool and eqipment repair shop doing welding, electrical, and engine work. So when Hillary brought up an ethanol topic and how it relates to engines in the real world, that was something to which I could contribute. I like it when others can contribute their experience and expertise; those are the days when I get to learn new things and enjoy the blog the most.
Michael, your alma mater is a far better school.
I’d like to see how “charitable giving” is defined here. IMO, sending a bunch of cash off to a TV shillvangelical doesn’t qualify as “charity”.
GDAD
Time to get out your red flag and beret. Tomorrow is your big day.
#24 Henry – you are evidently projecting your own racism as I never once mentioned race – that was introduced into the thread by your ignorant-in-kind poster, most ill-informed.
As a low information voter, you are unlikely to stumble across understanding what is really happening in the states run by Koch brothers-bought-and-paid-for-Republicans until it is far too late – if you weren’t so pitifully indoctrinated, you would be funny.
Sandi @25 – if a rattlesnake bit most ill-informed, the snake would die…
“So to him, a 40 foot barb wire-wrapped hose habenero enema about him as a journalist is no big deal and funny at that . . .”
As a writer, I am in awe of that imagery. It was/is both well-put and absolutely hilarious. Whatever happened to good old Al, anyway?
I am starting to see a pattern – here’s a follow up to the original post:
“A new report finds it is more difficult for people in Southern states to climb the economic ladder than it is for people in states in other regions, particularly those in the North.
States were compared against the national and regional average.”
“The study, using data from the Census Bureau and Social Security Administration, is billed as the first analysis of the economic mobility of Americans — both upward and downward — done on a state-by-state basis.
Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, Mississippi and North Carolina all scored below the national average in two of [the] three measurements.”
“By contrast, Northern states generally had greater upward mobility and less downward mobility. New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Utah and Connecticut fared best.”
http://www.ajc.com/business/study-upward-mobility-greater-1435583.html
#53 See, terps, you can’t point out where I ever said I was proud of Biden, so you’re forced to make up something else.
I could pull out my American flag and my NY Yankees or Pea Island Wildlife Refuge cap, but that’s about it. Of course, you probably consider national wildlife refuges commie, so that might do for you.
Yes Hillary, the snake would not stand a chance.
gdad, love Pea Island!
I love Pea Island also.
But, it’s a crying shame that the EPA and the other environmental nazis are killing the livelihoods of Hatteras Island inhabitants with their bull—- on the Point and elsewhere.
They are ruining people’s lives.
The birding there is outstanding, and the peacefulness, ahhh, the peacefulness…
Oxford is beautiful. The rest of the state looks looke a 3rd world country.
Comment by Dan Casey — May 17, 2012 @ 10:37 pm
WELL MR. CASEY, APPARENTLY YOU HAVE NOT SPENT ANY TIME ON THE MISSISSIPPI GULF COAST WHERE I HAPPEN TO RESIDE, BECAUSE IT IS CERTAINLY BEAUTIFUL, NOT TO MENTION AN HOUR FROM NEW ORLEANS AND SEVERAL HOURS FROM DESTIN, FLORIDA, WHERE YANKEES LIKE YOU COME IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY TO ESCAPE YOUR COLD AND FROZEN DRAB-GRAY LIVES!!!
Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, Mississippi and North Carolina all scored below the national average in two of [the] three measurements.”
6th, 11th, 23rd, 1st, and 7th respectively in percentage of blacks.
I don’t know why Hillary can’t let this racist crap go.
Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, Mississippi and North Carolina all scored below the national average in two of [the] three measurements.”
6th, 11th, 23rd, 1st, and 7th respectively in percentage of blacks.
I don’t know why Hillary can’t let this racist crap go.
Comment by Suzie — May 18, 2012 @ 8:12 pm
I don’t know about you people, but I am sick of liberals like Hillary constantly criticizing black people. Mississippi is 37% black, by far the highest in the nation. Blacks’ high school graduation rate is 54% comparied to 78% for whites; blacks. 72% of blacks are born out of wedlock compared to 28% for whites. And 90% of blacks vote Democrat.
So Hillary is basically saying it’s the blacks (who are almost all Democrat) who pull Mississippi to the bottom of the heap in so many categories.
I just don’t know why these libs have to keep re-hashing those facts. Are they THAT racist?
Comment by Suzie — May 17, 2012 @ 4:40 pm
Suzie Q, you seem to be the only one bringing up race in this discussion.
I would also like to remind folks that when the most conservative, religious state in the country, Mississippi, gave it’s voters the choice last year on the ballot in the general election to pass the so called “personhood amendment” that was to declare the resulting female egg-fertilized “zygote” an actual living person with all rights and constitutional protections of a grown adult citizen, the voters rejected the amendment decisively.
Really? This is nuts.
“Arizona official may keep Obama off ballot”
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/05/barack-obama-birth-certificate-arizona-ballot-ken-bennett-/1#.T7bxK8XpiSo
Odd how every time ANYONE mentions a problem any state might have, Suzie is there to announce the black population as the only possible reason. Sick, racist and pathetic.
Suzie Q, you seem to be the only one bringing up race in this discussion.
No, Liberal Ron. HIllary keeps using veiled racism. I don’t know why she does it.
Obviously, BM doesn’t realize that charitable giving is deductible only to taxpayers who itemize.
Comment by Dan Casey — May 17, 2012 @ 10:40 pm
Oh, so it is now one excuse after another to rationalize charitable contributions or rather the lack of?
First you point to a piece that adjusted for the impact of high taxes on charitable contributions. I point out the fact that this is a lie.
You don’t dispute that the argument was false, you only use the tax code as a defense that only itemizers can deduct charitable contributions.
Your arguments are a joke. Using high taxes as a reason for not contributing to charities is as lame as using the fact that 70% of filers use the standard deduction as an argument for not contributing or the fact that religious organizations were included in the original reference.
Odd how every time ANYONE mentions a problem any state might have, Suzie is there to announce the black population as the only possible reason. Sick, racist and pathetic.
No, hon. But I do get offended when folks keep telling us how bad states are that have a lot of blacks. And they keep it up. Why do they do that?
Ron, I at least give Suzie credit for having the guts to bring up race. This blog is not now nor likely ever will be ready for a serious discussion about race. As a society, we are just about there with discussing sex and guns, we are slowly making our way to being able to really discuss drugs, but race is still some time off. It’s unfortunate.
Ron,
I know great schools in Virginia. I just like Ole Miss and I like the state regardless of what Dan says. Thank you Kristen! Gdad where you at the game tonight? Need to learn to catch the ball!!!
#71 suzie, always the one to bring up race. ALWAYS. That’s why she’s known as racist troll suzie.
#73 Not only catch the ball, Michael, but keep your head in the game. They gave up three goals making dumb errors — twice running off the field for a sub when there was no horn after a shot and leaving the defense down a man (actually, down two once because there was already a penalty) and then not picking up the guy flying down the field with the ball once. They also LOST two of their own goals because of mental errors. They just weren’t very sharp.
#73 Sorry, Michael, forgot to ask if you were in a Tennessee shirt tonight?
And Dan is silent as to his failed attempt to argue taxes and standard deductions prevent charitable donations.
What prevents someone from donating an amount equal to or greater than the standard deduction? Would this allow a filer to itemize and benefit from the contribution?
Basically the decision to donate comes down to the individual and their beliefs/conviction. Arguing for adjustments based on taxes, cost of living etc is baloney. Higher tax rates should promote charitable contributions and higher cost of living areas generally equate to higher wages, which again should equal the ability to contribute for the majority of wage earners.
71 suzie, always the one to bring up race. ALWAYS. That’s why she’s known as racist troll suzie.
It’s racist when you accuse others of being racist for the mere mention of race.
I am very pleased I succeeded in disproving Hillalry’s conclusion that Mississippi’s performance has anything to do with GOP leadership. Nobody is saying that or defending it now.
John Wilburn, this blog is a lot of things, but the place to have “a serious discussion about” anything will never be one of them. Suzie, Lake Claytor, Pistol Pete, Henry, and Phil (among others) are always sure to wreck any conversation anyone tries to have. Just look how Suzie manipulates, lies, and shouts out into conversations that have no meaning already. You cannot have a serious conversation during a food fight among children.
#78 “It’s racist when you accuse others of being racist for the mere mention of race.”
Not when the person you’re talking about brings up race all the time, every time. Racist troll suzie.
Big Momma, can you please cite the post where Dan made this “failed attempt to argue taxes and standard deductions prevent charitable donations”? I cannot see it.
“Big Momma, can you please cite the post where Dan made this “failed attempt to argue taxes and standard deductions prevent charitable donations”? I cannot see it.”
Sandi, it never happened, that’s why.
#82 Your blog sure is being inundated with right-wing liars lately, Dan.
True, Sandi, Suzie trainwrecks a lot of good dialogue, but I think you would have a harder time with a race conversation. I’ll enjoy the blog for what it is, not long for what it isn’t…
There is no conversation I would have a hard time with, there are only conversations we would have a hard time trying to have. This is just not the place for it.
John Wilburn,
I’m not afraid of a serious discussion about race in our society. However, that’s not what Suzie Q and many like her really want. But I think you already know that.
“Suzie, Lake Claytor, Pistol Pete, Henry, and Phil…..”
Phil??!? MOI??? I am shocked….shocked I say that you would include me in a group with those other hooligans.
Big Momma, can you please cite the post where Dan made this “failed attempt to argue taxes and standard deductions prevent charitable donations”? I cannot see it.
I can. Posst #7 where he endorsed a method of charitable giving calculation that gave people credit for amount of taxes paid.
I will just point out to Hillary that Washington DC has many worse socio-economic numbers than Mississippi. Is she blaming that on GOP leadership, too? LOL.
As I have said, whenever I answer stupid accusations like Hillary’s against southern states, I simply say “Washington DC” and the debate is over.
Works like a charm.
lc, all we have to do to get a beach pass is watch a short video and, granted, pay….but if those beaches are demolished the locals will definitely lose their livelihoods. And they can still fish….they’re not being told they can’t.
If the new rules encourage tourists to double up when driving on the beach instead of every one of them driving their own truck out there, it’s a good thing.
“there are only conversations we would have a hard time trying to have. This is just not the place for it.”
Why?
#69 – most ill-informed posted, “HIllary keeps using veiled racism.”
The thief always expects others to steal
The liar always expects others to lie
The unfaithful spouse always expects the other to cheat
The racist always claims “racism” – and, that would be you most ill-informed.
Since you appear racist in many of your posts,, you evidently project your own bigotry on others where it doesn’t exist. Making up ridiculous accusations against others is YOUR failing…you see racism because you are indeed a racist. Since you do not know me – but I have met your kind throughout my life as “closet racists” who project their own racism on others…you come off as not only ill-informed but a racist. For clarity, would you like me to cut and paste the denigrating hateful racist words you spew on a regular basis?
Example of earlier posts:
“So you’re fine with my referring to 0bama as Monkey Boy since he in particular has facial characteristics like a chimpanzee’s? Good.”
Comment by Suzie — December 14, 2011 @ 11:03 pm
or,
“. but the black folks having kids out of wedlock ain’t the ones voting Republican.”
Comment by Suzie — December 11, 2011 @ 9:35 pm
Despicable and ignorant.
“I will just point out to Hillary that Washington DC has many worse socio-economic numbers than Mississippi. Is she blaming that on GOP leadership, too?”
I will just point out that DC is a city, not a state, but I’m happy that Suzie has finally come around to supporting statehood for it. I’m in favor of that, too.
#89 Doesn’t work at all, suzie, especially when there are SO MANY Republican-run states in such sad shape.
#63 There’s a majopr problem with the Gulf Coast in Mississippi, William — hurricanes.
#91 Would you honestly expect a serious conversation from Suzie? Do you think others could have a serious discussion without Suzie destroying it?
Off to Local Colors now. It is my favorite of Roanoke’s festivals.
“Would you honestly expect a serious conversation from Suzie? Do you think others could have a serious discussion without Suzie destroying it?”
I honestly believe Suzie and political correctness would compete to see which would hinder the conversation the most.
Really, JohnW, a blog that boasts a regular who calls our African American president “monkey boy”, lots of spritely talk about “Injuns” and war paint…I don’t see much PC hindering the free flow of what passes for “thought” on here.
#89 most racist and ill-informed posted, “As I have said, whenever I answer stupid accusations like Hillary’s against southern states, I simply say “Washington DC” and the debate is over.”
Did I miss DC becoming a state in the Union? Another brilliant remark by most ill-informed…and another racist remark. Just can’t help yourself, can you?
Firstly, you didn’t “answer” anything. Secondly, you might have noticed that my post was backed up with actual FACTS [links] – something I am sure you are unfamiliar with and unable to process as you reside in a fact-free world.
Really you should try putting the keyboard away – then the racism will vanish – “works like a charm”…
99. “Really, JohnW, a blog that boasts a regular who calls our African American president “monkey boy”, lots of spritely talk about “Injuns” and war paint…I don’t see much PC hindering the free flow of what passes for “thought” on here.
Right you are, Kristen. Those who most often invoke “PC” as a factor are those who love thinking of themselves as particularly independent thinkers, regardless of whether rigorously honest review would justify such a self-image (which it seldom does). From climate change deniers, to homophobes, to those who recently agreed that the 37 percent of Mississippians who are black are to blame for that state’s issues, for all these groups thinking of themselves as boldly “non-PC” is a favorite mechanism for self-exemption.
As absurd as Suzie is, I really believe political correctness is just as absurd. Political correctness takes a lot of things off the table for dicussion because the lefties are told to turn on and discredit anyone who dares go there. And Warren is still a jerk.
#102 So, John W, who would you appoint to make the determination as to what’s “PC” and what isn’t?
John Wilburn, you really should like “political correctness”. Trust me on that.
Really, JohnW, a blog that boasts a regular who calls our African American president “monkey boy”, lots of spritely talk about “Injuns” and war paint…I don’t see much PC hindering the free flow of what passes for “thought” on here.
And let’s not forget Kristen’s use of the racist term “cracker”.
“So, John W, who would you appoint to make the determination as to what’s “PC” and what isn’t?”
We should get rid of the people who are appointed to create PC in the first place. It’s authoritarian and treats adults like children. If adults want to say ignorant or hurtful things, let them. It tells us who’s who. Forcing them to “play nice” ends in disappointment, dishonesty, and a failure to communicate.
#106 I repeat, who will be in charge of defining what constitutes PC?
Gdad, apparently racial and ethnic slurs aren’t offensive enough on their face to merit censorship.
There are 20 gazillion places on the WWW you can drop as many N bombs as you want, to applause and acclaim. Those who feel overly hog-tied by Dan’s pretty liberal parameters can go there.
Did I miss DC becoming a state in the Union? Another brilliant remark by most ill-informed…and another racist remark. Just can’t help yourself, can you?
LMAO @ leftwingers who think because DC isn’t a state, they don’t have to respond. The fact is, the District is included with states in many statistical rankings. And they usually rank the worst. Leftwingers should ask themselves why this is so? Decades of Democrat leadership?
“There are 20 gazillion places on the WWW you can drop as many N bombs as you want”
But I don’t want to and you ought to know that. It’s the politically incorrect topics……
Whatever
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most ill-informed @89 again tries to redirect from her ignorance…it had posted DC as a “state”…another brilliant remark
“…against southern states, I simply say “Washington DC” and the debate is over. ”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….
Ignorance is bliss – and you are the most blissful non-person I know!
Hon, comparing DC to states isn’t the same as saying it is a state. If you don’t like how it stacks up to southern states, you might want to contact the federal government which includes DC in its tables.
Suzie has endorsed statehood for Washington, D.C. I actually agree with her on this. And, if it’s approved, it means we’ll be adding two more senators to the current 100.
Suzie has endorsed statehood for Washington, D.C
Not hardly. They’d elect senators that would make Maxine Waters look like an intellectual.
Here’s an example of Maxine’s “civility”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqFIb0uVZrs
Dan:
“And, if it’s approved, it means we’ll be adding two more senators to the current 100.”
What you meant to say is “And, if it’s approved, it means we’ll be adding two more Democrat senators to the current 100.”
As Steve C would say, “There. Fixed it for you.”
Phil #87, sadly, the shoe fits. And it breaks my heart, because I know you are better than that. I guess your feathers have been ruffled too many times.
Suzie #88, Dan’s post #7 says no such thing, you are making things up again.
Suzie #112, you are right, comparing DC to states “isn’t the same as saying it is a state”, but it is stupid.
John Wilburn #91, because you cannot have a serious, honest conversations while the children are throwing the contents of their diaper. You know that. And FWIW, allowing people to have such “free for all” verbal jousts is just as restrictive and offensive as any supposed “PC rules” you think are.
You will not go unarmed in public and yet you want people to be vulnerable and honestly discuss sensitive topics in waters full of sharks in here? To what end. Every day here begins and ends the same. This is the equivalent of a food fight in middle school, not adult conversation. I am sorry you have yet to realize that. Without moderators and strong rules that is what happens.
Most ill-informed @114 – “Here’s an example of Maxine’s “civility”.
OK, and here are examples of YOUR “civility” and greatest hits:
1. You should be asking why the selfish liberal bastards up there won’t pony up
Comment by Suzie — December 11, 2011 @ 11:30 am
2. No conservatives rubbed shoulders with these maggots.
Comment by Suzie — November 28, 2011 @ 9:57 am
3 Nearly all now-famous killers or would-be killers are deranged liberals (actually all libs are deranged
Comment by Suzie — December 9, 2011 @ 11:54 pm
4. Put these tree-hugging bastards out of a job for good. Send them to the OWS dirtbaggers.
Comment by Suzie — December 8, 2011 @ 10:08 pm
5. Let me simplify it so that even the stupid leftwing jackasses in here can understand:
Comment by Suzie — December 8, 2011 @ 12:20 am
6. …they’re pretending these anti-God anti-capitalist lunatics are legitimate serious people.
Comment by Suzie — December 6, 2011 @ 7:58 am
Gee words any Catholic mother would be proud to have their child spewing, don’t ya’ think, hon?
Sandi Saunders:
“You will not go unarmed in public and yet you want people to be vulnerable and honestly discuss sensitive topics in waters full of sharks in here?”
Do you wear a cape when you protect all of mankind from themselves?