These stalls are history on the Friday OPEN thread
Shot by Dan
A good (and long overdue) decision by the overloads of the City Market Building to get rid of those empty, space-taking stalls in the center of its food court.
Fridge Magnet has more on what’s going to replace them and when.
May 4, 2012 - 10:00 AM
I wonder how many people Komen is going to fire before they figure out Nancy Brinker has to go.
Getting a kick out of this Julia ordeal.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/04/30/120430fa_fact_goodyear
For anyone really interested in the raw milk/food freedom debate…this was in the New Yorker last week. I’m not sure how much you can read without a subscription, but it’s worth checking out if you find yourself in a library or something.
It details the history of the need for pasteurizaion…not surprisingly, milk in it’s natural form was more than fine until the mid 19th c. factory farms started housing their dairy herds in sheds near distilling factories and feeding the cows the LEFTOVER MASHED GRAIN that had been distilled for alcohol. Clearly dairy cattle crammed in overly crowded dark quarters and being fed stuff there are NOT supposed to eat didn’t prove to be a good decision from a food production standpoint. The milk became full of pathogens and voila, suddenly needed to be treated. But until then, the milk was fine.
Interestingly, once pasteurization was introduced, infant deaths in NYC dropped by a huge percentage. And one of the founders of Macys, a guy named Strauss, actually opened a depot where poor families could buy the new-fangled pasteurized milk at a price subsidized by his company.
May the Fourth Be With You!
Happy Friday!!!! The gamer boards are just freaking out over Star Wars today and some very hilarious stuff has been posted. (I emailed you my current favorite Dan). Can’t post videos here but if anyone want to see some examples, let me know.
Also @Contrasuzie – I’m glad you will stalk away to smoke with me. We can saunter a decent distance so that zero smoke can infringe on our non-smoking forum folks…and then we can analyze each and every one of them behind their backs while we enjoy our cigs. And I’m glad about the blue cups.
However, I would submit that I need to get the heck out of the house and meet some new people sooner rather than later, so perhaps we could have a pre-Lockhaven, happy hour some time. Seriously, save me from gaming in front of my computer.
How busy is the food court. I have not eaten there since the remodel.
Funny Miriam…I just emailed my son who came home from school last weekend “Get your butt out from behind the computer and MOW THE LAWN.”
Who’s Julia?
Any sympathy I may have had for Yeardley Love’s family vanished when I heard they are suing the lacrosse coach, the AD, and the state for $30 million. Behind this greed, naturally, is a filthy SOB trial lawyer.
Love had a history of promiscuity, as did Huguely. If you put yourself in a bad situation and consort with elements who engage in premarital sex, there can be very ugly consequences. There is some personal responsibility here. Love’s family is already suing Huguely for $30 million. That’s one thing. But to go after everybody else in sight is just plain wrong.
And who gets to pay? WE do. Yippie. Who stands to gain roughly $20 million at our expense? The SOB trial lawyer.
#2
UP, check this out.
http://freebeacon.com/introducing-julia/
Kristen @1 – sadly, Nancy Brinker is not going anywhere soon and will remain in charge…evidently the hand picked board is loyal to her regardless the financial disaster caused by her “missteps” however the only Brinker ousted was her son…
“…corporate governance experts say, the insider culture at Komen’s headquarters, with national executives and board members deeply loyal to Ms. Brinker, discouraged independent efforts.
Mr. Borochoff of CharityWatch said that Komen lacked perspective on itself — a condition he called “founder’s syndrome.
“Because they have gotten so large and so important,” he said, “they need to let go of the reins and open up the board to other people in the women’s health arena who could offer new life to the organization and a certain independence.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/28/us/with-komen-image-hurt-support-for-affiliates-lags.html?_r=1&hp
Old Blue, they are usually pretty busy at lunch time and on Saturday’s.
Flanary’s Pub has a chicken sandwich with “cheeder” for lunch today.
There’s something wrong w/the Captcha Code, it keeps saying I entered the wrong code, when I didn’t.
Thought I’d drop in to say I’ve had a change of heart. There’s no need for campus carry anywhere. For example:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t3…llege-rapes.cnn
The University of Montana has had 11 [reported] rapes on campus in 18 months and 80 in the area in three years.
I’m just thankful that those women didn’t have guns, someone might have been hurt.
Miriam, I would love to meet you, Contra, Kristen, and some of the gang. Name a place and time and I will do my best to be there.
(This Captcha thing is cranky today)
I ate at the Market Building two Saturday evenings ago and I was disappointed. Gone is the hustle and bustle; gone are the retail shops and vendors; gone are the familiar dining choices. What’s left is a huge, sterile looking, open space filled with empty tables and chairs. My food was great (I think the stall was Firefly) but the Market ambiance is long gone. I won’t go back until more changes are made.
This OWS organizer tells us all we need to know…
http://youtu.be/L9FGVcjuR7o
Direct link to my favorite part: http://youtu.be/L9FGVcjuR7o?t=6m58s
#9 They can’t get $30 million from the state.
Now go ahead and tell us what percentage of people who have premarital sex (that would be better at least 95 percent in the U.S.) end up murdered because of that premarital sex.
We’ll wait here for your answer along with a link to the proof.
@9 I agree that the lawsuits are crap. I don’t agree with anything else that you said.
Sandi, I think we should go out next week. I think there may be a Salem contingency in here so maybe we could do a Salem thingy…or downtown Roanoke. But yeah, I agree. Have a new play starting rehearsal next week so let me see how my schedule shakes out.
Kristen, that’s funny. I tell myself to get up and mow the lawn but there are just so many virtual people that need killing.
I’ll try this one more time. CAPTCHA has gotten my comments 4 times already today.
I just finished the commencement rehersal with my college’s 2012 graduates. Tonight we have our annual Academic Honors Convocation and tomorrow morning celebrate our 75th commencement exercise. As a traditional academic this time of year is my favorite. The two ceremonies acknowledge and recognise the hard work and diligent efforts of our students.
As a small college we will have slightly more than 100 graduates tomorrow. I know everyone of them, their stories and their families. When I hand them their diploma tomorrow it will be with great joy. The expressions on the graduates faces at that moment radiate multiple emotions and feelings. Among them are relief that this part of the journey is complete; joy that their hard work has paid off; and finally excitement for what the future holds for each of them. As I interact with the graduates and their families before and after the ceremony, I see the pride of accomplishment.
The events of today and tomorrow reinforce those of us who work with our students to assure their success. Once again, if only for a moment, we are reminded how our efforts can transform the lives of our students.
I agree with most of what Suzi says not hypocritical enough to agree with all and no matter what the girl had done no one deserves to be treated the way she was. The lawsuit is ridiculous.
How bizarre to be jealous of a beautiful bright young murder victim. I mean, its not like she was tapped to service some grungy musician after a concert 40 years ago. Nothing exciting like that.
I don’t think th should be suing the school. I wouldn’t have an issue with them suing the Huguelys.
Screwzie, post #9
And if you wear a tube top to a rock ‘n’ roll concert, someone’s going to think you’re slutty enough to party with the band.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/04/ted-nugent-interview-cbs_n_1477021.html?ncid=mobile7
I can’t decide if he’s trying to resurrect his moribund career or is a victim of mad cow disease.
I just couldn’t pass this up. It says it so well.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/21/1076442/-Mitt-Romney-s-Etch-A-Sketch-Strategy
#9 “Elements who engage in pre-marital sex”? That includes a lot of people.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-12-19-premarital-sex_x.htm
#9: “If you put yourself in a bad situation and consort with elements who engage in premarital sex, there can be very ugly consequences.”
Like Regent University graduate Bob McDonnell, who consorts with school founder and pre-marital fornicator Pat Robertson? Maybe so…
Kristen, I think Ted Nugent is insane. I liked this part of the article.
“Nugent later apologized for the outburst after pressure from his wife.”
#9 “Elements who engage in pre-marital sex”? That includes a lot of people.
Yes, Scott. It’s a shame. But that’s the permissive leftwing value system society is pushing. From Hollywood to the schools to pop culture. It’s very difficult for young people to overcome societal pressures and do the right thing.
But God doesn’t really allow for excuses. The consequences are the same whether we live in Victorian times or today. When you engage in premarital sex there are some very bad natural consequences that follow: divorce, distrust, broken families, kids without guidance, self-centeredness, inability to sacrifice, weak willpower, underachievement, wasted time, unfulfilled promise.
There’s a reason these rules have been around for thousands of years, folks. They work.
Debbie, I bet his wife is sick of the circus he’s creating.
He does seem to have lost it.
“There’s a reason these rules have been around for thousands of years, folks. They work.”
First of all, they’re your rules, not everyone else’s. Second, they clearly don’t work. Hence the higher rates of unwed mothers, “shotgun” weddings, and way-too-young marriage in the “Bible belt.” If there wasn’t a big guilt barrier that has been crafted and preserved generation to generation we would see better sexual choices. I don’t believe in all the free-flowing permissiveness that some parents do, but accept the reality that even the good little church girls ARE HAVING SEX and keeping you in the dark about it very well.
All of those problems you listed aren’t symptomatic of premarital sex, they’re symptomatic of people’s character over all. Just because the religious folks are more likely to keep their misery private and under wraps at home, doesn’t mean they’re all happy because a SMALL percentage more of them abstained from premarital sex.
Suzi
I don’t think you can make that kind of broad generalization. I agree morals have gotten way to lax but to somehow say premarital sex causes murder is out there. I suspect there are very few people whi go to the alter “pure”. That boy was just bad nothing the girl did caused her ti be beaten and murdered. Very sad for her and her family.
I bet she is too, Kristen. He’d better straighten up or that marriage may not last.
Hey John Wilburn,
What’s wrong with a shotgun at a wedding? Otherwise it might be a dangerous gun-free zone.
(giggle).
premarital sex causes murder?
you can just as easily reckon that marriage causes murder, given the number spouses that kill each other.
Morals have gone the way of manners, patience and decency, but sex outside of marriage is the second oldest profession for a reason. Maybe we should examine all the rhetoric of freedom, personal rights, don’t worry about PC or considering anyone except yourself, ‘look out for number one’, blame the victim, that has been drilled into “patriots” for decades now.
There was sex outside of marriage long before “Sex, Love and Rock-n-roll” and even before liberals with a conscience started nudging this nation to live those Christian values too. Sadly, men have been killing the women they “love” about the same amount of time too.
But thanks for always proving the downside of a closed mind.
Oh, no, Dan! Don’t get the gun debate going again . . .
I agree with Suzie, that premarital sex causes nothing but trouble, that’s why I never ever did it!
#29 most ill-informed posted, “There’s a reason these rules have been around for thousands of years, folks. They work.”
of course they do…except if you follow the biblical remedy/”rule” – you know those “bad consequences”:
Under the Law of Moses the penalty for adultery was DEATH. Leviticus 20:10 declares that when an adulterous situation occurs, both “the adulterer and the adulteress (i.e., both the man and the woman) shall surely be put to death.” Deuteronomy 22:22-24 clearly states the same severe penalty.
God has nothing to do with morality as demonstrated over and over by the “fornications” of the tel-evangelists and those fallen Christian-right ministries ..
Wiliam Bova, is your nose growing?
First of all, they’re your rules, not everyone else’s. Second, they clearly don’t work.
Actually they’re not my rules and they’re not my consequences. Whether you believe in religion or not, it doesn’t change the consequences that follow. And you can call them God’s punishment or natural cause-and-effect; it doesn’t matter. They happen whether you like it or not. Just like you may not believe in gravity, but if you slip on a banana, you still fall on your ass. Makes no difference what you believe in the case of premarital sex. You will reap the negative results of having it.
As for the threadbare blather about the “higher divorce rate in the Bible belt”. Yes, there is a higher divorce rate because there is a higher marriage rate. Washington DC has the lowest divorce rate in the nation. Ask yourself why you think that is. Hint: It ain’t because they value the institution of marriage.
i don’t think you can make that kind of broad generalization. I agree morals have gotten way to lax but to somehow say premarital sex causes murder is out there
I’m saying premaritax sex was part of the Love-Huguely environment. Both had casual sex with multiple partners. Both grew up in environments where religion was obviously not a big part. When God is not present, other idols fill the void: sex, alcoholism, violence, ill-temper, cheating, mistrust. All that was part of their relationship.
If Love had a “wait until marriage” philosophy, she would have dropped that idiot in two seconds, and it would have never come to this. If Huguely had been raised in a God-filled home, he wouldn’t have been out of control like he was, and it would have never come to this.
http://www.wset.com/story/18150881/police-at-scene-of-man-with-gun-in-roanoke
So….who’s missing tonight.
Romney missed a big opportunity to tie 0bama to the OWS Communists and their mayhem May 1. They are one and the same. 0bama, as we know is a close associate of domestic terrorist and murderer William Ayers. Since the MSM won’t do its job, Romney should have demanded idiot boy condemn the OWS destruction. He should have busted his ass good on that. Make sure EVERYBODY makes the connection, because there sure as hell is one.
Why do I always know more than the so-called experts?
Premarital sex is obviously one of those topics that gets suzie all excited. Probably get her reminiscing about her premarital days. She keeps bringing it up.
#29,
“But God doesn’t really allow for excuses. The consequences are the same whether we live in Victorian times or today”
“There’s a reason these rules have been around for thousands of years, folks. They work.”
Comment by Suzie — May 4, 2012 @ 5:03 pm
Which logically raises the question of what you and hubby did that pissed God off so bad that he denied you children? Jeez, talk about consequences…
So, Suzie… You are saying that you did not have premarital sex?
If that’s the case, you must be more creepy and unappealing than we imagined.
#42,
“Both grew up in environments where religion was obviously not a big part. When God is not present, other idols fill the void: sex, alcoholism, violence, ill-temper, cheating, mistrust”
Comment by Suzie — May 4, 2012 @ 8:33 pm
Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers…
Saw this one today:
“Dear Republicans,
We’ll stop our alleged “war on religion” if you stop your war on
Women
Workers
Unions
Teachers
Textbooks
Voting Rights
Minorities
Science
The Environment
The Separation of Church & State
The Poor
The Unemployed
The Middle Class
Common Decency
and Common Sense.
OK?”
~Anonymous
Ted Nugent is a Republican.
Enough said…
34.”Hey John Wilburn,
What’s wrong with a shotgun at a wedding? Otherwise it might be a dangerous gun-free zone.
(giggle).”
There’s nothing wrong with a shotgun at a wedding, but I usually opt for a dressier holster or nice shoulder rig as I did at the last wedding I went to. Some guns go better with formal wear when you’re open carrying too. The last funeral I attended, I carried my Glock as it is a flat black and matched my shirt. Whereas a stainless or nickel revolver may go better with other clothes for other occasions.
Oooh. Perhaps I’ll carry when I go to the black-tie dinner in DC to pick up my big-time columnist award.
Ron, your post about the commencement exercises at your school made my day. It’s obvious you love your work and have truly found your calling in life. I’m sure you will stay in touch with more than a few of the students graduating tomorrow. Thanks for a wonderful reminder of some real goodness in the world.
Dan@12:22
I’m sure that doing so would add greatly to the machismo of the evening.
We can all profit from a little more of that “mine’s bigger than yours”
psychology. I’ll bet that combining that with the natural high of getting the award would give you a real rush. Sort of like an old fashioned acid high.
52.”Oooh. Perhaps I’ll carry when I go to the black-tie dinner in DC to pick up my big-time columnist award.”
Sorry, Dan. It’ll have to be an empty holster protest until we can get DC fixed.
50.”Ted Nugent is a Republican.
Enough said…”
John Edwards is a Democrat. Enough said.
Please, let’s not be this short sighted.
“Romney should have demanded idiot boy condemn the OWS destruction. He should have busted his ass good on that.”
Suzie, you are obviously more intelligent than the idiot boy the GOP is running for president. He spent the day blaming Obama for economic woes that occurred under monkey boy Bush league instead of taking up up on your well thought out strategy.
“Romney visits Ohio plant that closed under Bush, blames Obama for its failure to reopen”
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/148104155.html
Romney is an idiot. Too early to tell if he reminds me of an opossum or an ostrich. Both are out of touch with reality, so both are good candidates to describe Romney the idiot boy.
Mad Eye Bachmann finally endorses Romney after claiming he has no Chance to win the election months ago:
The Democratic National Committee immediately jumped on the endorsement, circulating a piece by ABC News’ Jonathan Karl reporting that Bachmann told him on the eve of the Iowa caucuses that Romney “cannot beat Obama. … It’s not going to happen.”
http://www.startribune.com/politics/150097415.html
These lock step goppers are such good soldiers, falling into the party line.
The etch-a-sketch campaign of Flipper Romney is taking shape:
http://0-news.yahoo.com.precise.petronas.com.my/romney-tell-santorum-keep-endorsement-132500378.html
Apparently Romney believes the Tea Party is expendable at this point. Time to pivot to the center and con the independent voters to elect Gordan Gekco President. Good luck with that, Suggestion to Flipper; don’t forget to stress the dignity of working at wall mart over staying at home to raise kids. HA! Now that’s a keeper.
“Jeez, talk about consequences…”
What consequences? Butch is a charter member of the Sons of Onan.
So, Suzie… You are saying that you did not have premarital sex?
If that’s the case, you must be more creepy and unappealing than we imagined.
Only in a twisted leftwing world is it “creepy” to abstain until marriage.
I don’t regret my life for a second, buttercup. Can you say the same?
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Which logically raises the question of what you and hubby did that pissed God off so bad that he denied you children? Jeez, talk about consequences…
You’re the one who’s 50 and alone. Think about it, sport.
————
Saw this one today:
“Dear Republicans,
We’ll stop our alleged “war on religion” if you stop your war on
Women
Workers
Unions
Teachers
Textbooks
Voting Rights
Minorities
Science
The Environment
The Separation of Church & State
The Poor
The Unemployed
The Middle Class
Common Decency
and Common Sense.
OK?”
~Anonymous
So many strawmen, so little space. There’s a reason this was signed ‘anonymous’. Probably doesn’t know his/her own name.
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She keeps bringing it up.
It’s called ‘responding to a post”, dimwit.
Leftwinger: Suzie, what’s your position on ___________?
Suzie: (I explain my position)
Leftwinger: Why do you talk about _____________ all the time?
@Dan Casey: “Oooh. Perhaps I’ll carry when I go to the black-tie dinner in DC to pick up my big-time columnist award.”
If you figure out how to legally carry in DC, please share. Thanks.
Suzi
While I certainly wish the moral values of our country were better and I agree certain behavior by kids in their teens and early 20′s can have bad consequences but I can tell you I was raised in a home where my parents were married 52 years and we were in church every Sunday and in college well lets just say I was no choir boy. No one ever got hurt much less killed. Why can’t we just agree this was all the boys fault and he was/is a very bad person. Again nothing the girl ever did good or bad was an excuse for her treatment.
#61 “It’s called ‘responding to a post”, dimwit.”
No, dearie, it’s not. YOU brought up the subject in response to nothing whatsoever in post #9.
Dolt.
#61 “Only in a twisted leftwing world is it “creepy” to abstain until marriage.
I don’t regret my life for a second, buttercup. Can you say the same?”
Note that suzie always dances around this subject. She’s never said flat out, “Damn right I followed my own advice and most certainly was a virgin on my wedding night.”
It seems that in some cases there’s not a lot of post-marital sex going on either.
Jason, you seem to be implying that women are obligated to carry guns, otherwise if they get raped it’s on them. Or that guns are some magic wand that ward off rapists.
And I have to say that the obsession with rape on the part of the gun people is a little offputting.
No, no, no, suz, your doing it wrong again. This thread is about your supposedly superior moral code, not mine. Here, let me refresh your memory for you. You posted the following silly assertion;
“But God doesn’t really allow for excuses. The consequences are the same whether we live in Victorian times or today”
“There’s a reason these rules have been around for thousands of years, folks. They work.”
If this faith based snake oil really worked as a simple cause and effect, it stands to reason that if you played by those same rules you undoubtedly would have been blessed with the gift of motherhood that you wanted so badly. Think about it, suz, all the other females you know are as furtile as the Napa valley, even the liberal ones, so I guess thay all just prayed harder than you or something? Consequently, it stands to reason that you have some pretty shocking skeletons in your closet, perhaps dating all the back to a roll in the hay that you had with a greasy rock star about 40 years ago during a moment of weakness.
Don’t involve me in your silly little games about rules; they’re yours, not mine, so they can’t explain my fate. But since you asked, I do find it ironic that after conducting a very large sampling of the moral codes of catholic females, I’ve found that most do in fact have pre-marital sex. And in spite of my intensive research and all its associated sinful baggage, God has never seen it fit to punish me by making me get married to somebody as miserable as you. So what gives?
Of course the real vexing question here is not my fate but that of Mr. suz; What on earth did that poor sap do that was so morally and ethically wrong that he got you as a ball and chain? Did he strangle puppies and drown kittens? I’m sure we can all agree that if your moral code applies universally across the board that nobody has suffered the consequences more than Mr. suz has. A kind, loving and just God would never punish his faithful followers the way he did your hubby.
By the way, what the hell were you doing up at 3:10 in the morning? I hope for your soul you were praying but that’s between you and your God.
13 Suns,
I’m glad I was able to “make your day.”
I’ve been a classroom teacher, professor or administrator since 1968. I’m closer to the end of my career than the beginning. I can truly say however, that I’ve been blessed to have been able to do what I really enjoy doing for my career.
Immediately out of grad school I served as a professor at Indiana University for 11 years. While it was & is a great university, I really preferred the interaction permitted in much smaller colleges. I’ve been in such schools since. You really can have a tremendous impact on the lives of the students you serve, because you can get to know them and their personal stories much better.
Thanks again.
“Jeez, talk about consequences…”
What consequences? Butch is a charter member of the Sons of Onan.
Dude hadn’t gone to bed as of 2:43 and he’s talking about banana peelers.
Better go check on you mom, Norman.
40 years ago.
Let’s see. 2012-1977=35.
See, this is why you people never went to college. Not a”‘nickle’s” worth of smarts.
@Steve C:
I’m looking at Screwzie’s inability to have children as a blessing from God for the rest of us. No little Screwzies running around is truly a gift for us all.
Kristen, you know way to much about my life.
Richard as usual you show your ignorance. The Lawn is reserved for fourth years students and are selected by a committee based on application’s. Greek letter societies as well as secret societies only extend invitations or bids to current students.
Those readers who object to threads including discussion of self-defense weapons please note that at May 4, 2012 @ 5:37 pm, Dan latches onto a use of common allegory to communicate message of a forced marriage by means of a symbolic figures. Dan then uses that allegorical figure of speech to introduce the actual hot button issue of of “guns in church” and unarmed victim rich zones.
Then at Comment by Kristen — May 4, 2012 @ 8:56 pm, Kristen adds fuel to the fire suggesting that one of the pro-freedom members of this blog might be in a criminal situation — a disturbed man who kept a firearm pointed at himself. {Note no shots fired as earlier reported, BTW.]
So you who don’t like “Gun Threads” and don’t like other threads having “Gun Issues” introduced? If so, please note who is responsible and direct your comments of displeasure correctly.
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Re: Comment by Dan Casey — May 5, 2012 @ 12:22 am
Please confirm when and where and I’ll arrange to have someone verify the fact that you did as you claim and have it well documented. Unless you were talking about currying a banana or something of the sort.
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In any case, everyone watch who starts the discussion of 2A, RKBA, etc.
#63 Michael, your mistake is that you expect Suzie to be a thoughtful, reasonable person. That is not going to happen.
Kristen
Refering to your comment about being married
Again nothing the girl ever did good or bad was an excuse for her treatment.
And again, Michael, nobody said it was. I explained what I meant if detail. Let me try with this analogy.
If you go to the bad part of town at night, and you get robbed, it doesn’t mean the robber wasn’t at fault and that you deserved to get robbed. It just means if you had avoided that environment, you probably wouldn’t have faced the consequence you did.
I just can’t understand why Steve C. has never had a woman at age 50. He clearly knows how to talk to them judging from his posts, and then there’s that impressive gig at Manpower.
Refering to your comment about being married
Michael,
I think Kristen was talking about her own marriage.
“Dude hadn’t gone to bed as of 2:43 ”
Said the troll who hadn’t gone to bed as of 3:10 a.m.
Butch knows all about banana peelers. He’s big on assists.
P.S. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
Said the troll who hadn’t gone to bed as of 3:10 a.m.
Wow. You hadn’t gone to bed by 3:10. Me? That’s about the time I got up after my usual five or six hours of sleep.
Butch knows all about banana peelers. He’s big on assists.
Poodle’s sport is pocket pool. He likes the away games best.
Kristen-
“Jason, you seem to be implying that women are obligated to carry guns,”
Not close.
“otherwise if they get raped it’s on them.”
Not just wrong, but offensive.
“Or that guns are some magic wand that ward off rapists.”
I in no way implied that. And I’ve explicitly said many times that guns don’t ward off crime.
If you honestly thought any of the above, you’re an imbecile. Perhaps you were trying to make a point via exaggeration, I don’t know. I couldn’t have made the point any clearer: we’ve repeatedly heard here that there is no need for students to carry, campuses are safe, etc. One poster went so far as to say that nothing had happened at Virginia Tech since the massacre that would justify the use of a gun (he was wrong and I documented it).
“And I have to say that the obsession with rape on the part of the gun people is a little offputting.”
You’re obsession with not allowing adults the means to defend themselves is hateful and irrational. And it just happened to be rape, it could have been a wave of home invasions, aggravated assaults, etc.
You can insult all you like Jason but the implications of your post – not the link but YOUR editorial comments- are clear. And all of your insult-ridden high indignation on bein called on it is yawn inducing. Offended? Tough. Your post was clearly offensive to every victim of rape who doesn’t share your fondness for firearms.
For that matter,Jason, you do it ALL THE TIME. You point out some string of crimes which you ad hoc determine could have been avoided by the victim having the foresight to carry a gun. This, you find totally appropriate. But GOD FORBID any of the anti gun people point out an episode where JUST MAYBE the presence of a firearm maybe didn’t work out too well – that cop at Tech for one – and you’re willy nilly run around baying at the moon about “dancing on graves”. Blah blah.
It’s boring. And old.
Butch knows all about banana peelers. He’s big on assists.
Wow. Poodle’s hurling ‘gay’ insults now. I thought you libs were supposed to be tolerant.
#83 “That’s about the time I got up after my usual five or six hours of sleep.”
So let’s see, suzie gets up at 3:10 a.m. after 5-6 hours of sleep yet she posts on this blog after 11 p.m. almost every night, sometimes as late as midnight.
Do math much, troll suzie?
#87 Strange how Jason (and other gun lovers) frequently seem to blame the victim. Weird.
Oh c’mon gdad, you’re being offensive and an imbecile for…you know…reading.
#87 “Strange how Jason (and other gun lovers) frequently seem to blame the victim. Weird.”
Who again starts the gun discussions…..
Kristen and gdad-
Wow.
I have repeatedly said that carrying a gun does not act like a force field.
I have repeatedly said that a gun offers *a chance* at a positive outcome for the victim, nothing more.
I have repeatedly criticized those in the pro-gun movement that answer every major crime with, “It would have been different if…”
So let’s read my post again:
“Thought I’d drop in to say I’ve had a change of heart. There’s no need for campus carry anywhere.”
Obviously me being sarcastic given what follows…
“The University of Montana has had 11 [reported] rapes on campus in 18 months and 80 in the area in three years.”
An answer to the notion that no one could have a use for a gun on a college campus. This was the primary point of my post and is a far cry from, “They deserved it for not carrying.”
“I’m just thankful that those women didn’t have guns, someone might have been hurt.”
Again, a sarcastic line dealing with the idiocy of worrying about a legal carrier making a violent crime worse by using a gun to defend themselves.
Your attempts to frame me as a misogynist are repulsive and nakedly false. *I* am the one that wants adult women to have the choice defend themselves. You two are the ones that want to pat them on the head and tell them how they can’t be trusted with a firearm.
Truthfully, I did not expect something this disgusting from you two, regardless of how mistaken I believe you to be.
So Jason you’re making failed humoristic hay on the backs of rape victims. We get it now!
We all read what you posted. You linked some story about rape victims on a college campus and made a predictably gratuitous comment linking the story to gun “rights”.
Don’t blame us for reading what you wrote,and have the stones to stop backpedaling.
#93 “You two are the ones that want to pat them on the head and tell them how they can’t be trusted with a firearm.”
Please show us all where I’ve ever said anything of the sort. Provide a link.
Crickets.
Kristen-
No backpedaling was done. You are truly horrible, and I take solace that anyone whose opinion I would be remotely interested in, pro or anti-gun, recognizes how despicable you have been in this exchange.
#92 John W, given the number of gun comments you’ve made, I’m only about 4,293 behind you now.
Truth is, I only very rarely comment about the gun issue.
Re: Comment by Kristen — May 6, 2012 @ 10:52 pm
Kristen,
Are you sure you don’t have a bad case of What-You-See-Depends-On-Where-You-Stand-Too (WYSDOWYS2)?
Re: Comment by gdad — May 6, 2012 @ 11:17 pm
So, gdad, you do think that college women can be trusted with a firearm on campus?
Great! Make a donation to SCCC to help bring that about.
#92 “John W, given the number of gun comments you’ve made, I’m only about 4,293 behind you now.”
gdad, I wasn’t claiming that the antis made more posts, I was claiming that they usually start it. That’s fine; we finish it.
Jason,
Save your breath, and don’t try to please these nuts. Their sense of outrage is very selective.
#99 I don’t donate to gun organizations — on either side, John W. There are MANY, MANY, MANY better causes out there.
#93 Jason, it’s possible I misread your comments, particularly since I really didn’t read that closely, but I have been either been told — or seen other people told — on these gun threads ESSENTIALLY that if you don’t carry and your family gets hurt by somebody who is carrying, it’s YOUR fault for not carrying. You’ve failed your responsibility to protect your family. It’s certainly a familiar refrain at right-wing sites.
That about as despicable as it gets.
#101 Sorry, that was Dave H, not John W.
Re: Comment by gdad — May 7, 2012 @ 7:29 am
Jason’s rhetorical flourish aside and your donation habits aside, do you think that college women can be trusted with firearms on campus?
Put the pat on the head aside. Forget the donation. Get to the sore issue. Do you women with firearms on campus?
gdad-
Those people are despicable. I’ve never said anything like that. Again, I was responding to a specific thread as well as ongoing discussion about carry on college campuses. The point was that there are incidents where a firearm *might* have been useful. I don’t want everyone to carry. And I sure as hell don’t think that anyone but the rapist is responsible for a rape under any circumstance.
P.S. Seriously, four CAPTCHA failures in a row? I’ve never been on a site that couldn’t get this right.
Re: My last.
Rushed to answer the door bell.
Second try: Putting the pat on the head aside. Forgetting the donation. Please, get to the sole issue. Do you support women with firearms on campus?
#106 Sorry I attacked you, Jason. It’s just that I’ve seen that sort of crap too many times.
Yeah, seems like I missed a bunch of junk in this thread over the weekend. Pretty glad to be honest. I still say that no matter how offensive Susie can be, there is never a good enough reason to to go down the road that has been traveled here. Being cruel in such a personal manner is just not justified. And attacking our pro-gun folks so strongly also seems misplaced.
Either you guys all need to go to bed earlier (before you get cranky) or stop posting in the early morning (before you’ve had enough coffee).
gdad-
No problem.