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Mural on the side of a builidng on Campbell Avenue downtown. | Shot by Dan

“In time we hate that which we often fear.”
William Shakespeare

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  1. Bob | May 24, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Fear Eats The Soul and Graffiti is a blight on society.

  2. billhudson | May 24, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    #1 It can also be art. Not that all graffiti looks good but if one could canal those who want to make art, you might find some very cool graffiti. They have done this in Beacon, NY and it is on the side of a building, showing the Hudson River and Mama nature, very nicely done.

  3. Other John | May 24, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    When I was a student at NC State, to corral the grafitti since it’s an urban campus just west of downtown Raleigh, they had what was called the ‘Free Expression Tunnel’, a pedestrian walking tunnel under the dual-track rail line that bisects the campus, where students, residents, etc could conduct graffiti art, and the campus would ocasionally re-paint the tunnel to give a blank canvas. This was used by taggers, but also student groups to advertise upcoming events…it was pretty cool, and some really great talent was displayed there. And it worked. There was rarely any graffiti issues on the rest of the campus, or in the other 2 pedestrian tunnels.

  4. Ron | May 24, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    billhudson,

    If my wife & I are still in New York at the end of July I’ll try to come see you in Carmel. :)

  5. scott | May 24, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Advertising, not Graffiti, is a blight on society. Like we need billboards and posted bills, and the holocaust that is Times Square.

  6. Dan Casey | May 24, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    The owners of the building on which this graffiti is painted are John Wilson and Suzun Hughes. They’re artists, and they encouraged this graffiti. So it hardly amounts to vandalism by any stretch.

  7. Kristen | May 24, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    This strikes me as more of a mural than graffiti.

  8. Sandi Saunders | May 24, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    I like artistic stuff like this. It is better to look at than a brick wall or the ugly kind of graffiti.

  9. billhudson | May 24, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    #4 You’re more than welcome to come, there is a lot to see. David Amram will be there as always. If you do not know who he is, do a search, he is an unbeliever musician and all around good guy, he is one of the last beats from the 1950’s. But yea it would be good to see someone from Va.
    #6 I would have to agree as to Broadway. I never go down there because of all that stuff.I only go there if I have to for business.
    Thanks Dan for that info…here is wishing we see more.

  10. William Bova | May 24, 2012 at 3:35 pm
  11. Ron | May 24, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    I guess if this blog operated in New York & the proposed legislation passes & is signed in to law, we’d all have to give up our real names.

    http://techland.time.com/2012/05/24/the-new-york-bill-that-would-ban-anonymous-online-speech/?hpt=hp_t2

  12. Hillary | May 24, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    “And they couldn’t be picked out of the crowd…”

    AIR FORCE ACADEMY GRADUATES FIRST OPENLY GAY CADETS
    Eight months after a repeal of the military’s “don’t ask – don’t tell” policy, the U.S. Air Force Academy today graduated its first group of openly gay cadets.

    As President Obama addressed the graduates, no rainbow flags could be seen on display. The LGBT students couldn’t be picked out of the crowd of white and blue.

    But gay and lesbian advocates, academy alums, school officials and current students said they were there.
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/air-force-academy-graduates-first-openly-gay-cadets/

  13. Dan Casey | May 24, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    AIR FORCE ACADEMY GRADUATES FIRST OPENLY GAY CADETS

    I reckon this is a pretty big darn deal in Colorado Springs, because up unilt now the Air Force Academy’s rep has been that it’s a hotbed of evangelism.

  14. Sandi Saunders | May 25, 2012 at 8:06 am

    That is a sad thing William Bova. I hope they survive.

  15. Sandi Saunders | May 25, 2012 at 9:25 am

    I guess I should be thanking Terps and Phil. While they and the Brown campaign tried to make the election about Elizabeth Warren’s “integrity” instead of their own record and positions, she “actually gained 8 points in the poll despite the flap over her heritage“!

    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/229267-poll-mass-voters-shrugging-off-warrens-cherokee-origin-claim#prclt-1pA1KwHG

    Nice to know there are voters who can see through the garbage being thrown.

  16. Dan Casey | May 25, 2012 at 11:26 am

    I believe Terps is personally responsible for Elizabeth Warren’s rise in that poll.

    If she wins, it’s on him.

  17. Phil Chitwood | May 25, 2012 at 1:13 pm
  18. Phil Chitwood | May 25, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    It’s not just the Boston Herald….now it’s the Globe, too. We’ll see if this will move the polls.

  19. Kristen | May 25, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Like anyone’s going to base their vote on something Harvard may or may not have said.

    The issue is dead.

  20. gdad | May 25, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    #18 “In recent weeks, Warren has repeatedly said that her race was not a factor in her hiring at Harvard or elsewhere, a point that several colleagues and supervisors at the schools have publicly supported. There is nothing in the federally required documents that contradicts those statements.”

    Righties certainly wouldn’t want to concentrate on her abilities.

  21. Phil Chitwood | May 25, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    “Righties certainly wouldn’t want to concentrate on her abilities.” By most accounts, she is a capable law prof.

    “Like anyone’s going to base their vote on something Harvard may or may not have said.

    The issue is dead.”

    Uh…by the Globe picking it up and the new info within the Globe’s piece….it’s not dead.

  22. Sandi Saunders | May 25, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin;

    Title II of the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008 (GINA), which prohibits employment discrimination based on genetic information about an applicant, employee, or former employee

    http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html

    There is no situation in which questions about an employee’s race or skin color should be use to determine their eligibility for a job. This protection is granted under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that prohibits employment discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin. Employers are permitted to ask an employee to reveal their race on a voluntary basis for affirmative action purposes.
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pf_article_110601.html

    You may volunteer your racial or ethnic identity, for informational purposes but employers are not allowed to ask the question or ask for documentation. The EEOC and DOL says to employers, “eyeball it” or accept what is offered.

    If you believe you are a native American, oddly enough, only Native American groups “require proof”. Employers cannot. Since it was what she was led to believe by family and she never had any need to “document that”, she has not done anything wrong, nothing. And neither has Harvard. And if lies mattered to you, you would notice the blatant ones, including the stupid ones from Brown. I hope it informs Massachusetts voters that this is the worst you could find on this fine woman and her points continue to gain on your pains.

  23. Dan Casey | May 25, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    What Sandi said.

    And by the way, I’m 1/14th melungeon and I dare you to prove otherwise.

  24. Art Hill | May 25, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    “We’ll see if this will move the polls.”

    It has moved them 8 points in her favor. When will the wingnuts realize this childish drivel gets them nowhere.

  25. Art Hill | May 25, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    Leno on Romney’s courting of Hispanic voters, “Mitt Romney loves Mexican food, as long as it’s a lobster and caviar burrito.”

  26. Debbie | May 25, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    I read the article about Melungeons in the newspaper this morning. As long as they thought they were of Portuguese descent it was fine. Finding out that they are actually of African descent is not sitting well at all with some of them.

  27. Dan Casey | May 25, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Art, +1

  28. Sandi Saunders | May 26, 2012 at 12:07 am

    Did you see the blurb where he even withdrew his hand from offering to shake when the activist announced she was an undocumented worker? Do you think he believe is it “catching”? What a putz.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/18/mitt-romney-dream-act_n_1214157.html

  29. scott | May 26, 2012 at 12:37 am

    1/14th!!!! LOL

    Beware of Dueling Banjos!

  30. Ron | May 26, 2012 at 6:48 am

    Do you think he believe is it “catching”? What a putz.

    Comment by Sandi Saunders — May 26, 2012 @ 12:07 am

    I think he thought she had “cooties.” It’s a generational thing. :)

  31. Debbie | May 26, 2012 at 7:11 am

    #29 Sandi, I think he’s afraid that he would be called soft on immigration if he shook her hand. You can’t be friendly to the “wrong” people, you know.

  32. Phil Chitwood | May 26, 2012 at 7:17 am

    What is wrong is that for 10 years Harvard looked at her, patted themselves on their back and said, “There’s our woman of color!”

    It simply shows what a complete cesspool the diversity industry is. They, Harvard, only wanted a way to “check the box.” A real “woman of color?” They could not care less. And that is the sad truth. It is a game.

  33. Phil Chitwood | May 26, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Art wrote, “It has moved them 8 points in her favor. When will the wingnuts realize this childish drivel gets them nowhere.”

    Art….the 8 pt poll jump was BEFORE the article….so you’re wrong. There is no way to know what the Globe’s reporting will do to the race….perhaps nothing.

  34. Kristen | May 26, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Debbie, the first I heard of the Melungeons was in the book Big Stone Gap.
    Hello…people of indeterminate race living in the rural S W Virginian mountains. Gypsy/Portugese/Turkish or African American? What seems more likely?

    Felt sort of bad for the guy who had to have himself tested 3 times to be convinced.

    We have a similar group in N NJ living in the Ramapo Mountains called the Jackson Whites. They’re decended from a mix of Revolutionary War deserters and runaway slaves, with probably a few less-than-savory characters kicked in 250 years ago. Now their biggest problem is inbreeding.

  35. Debbie | May 26, 2012 at 9:59 am

    That’s interesting, Kristen. I thought that kind of stuff was strictly a Southern thing.

  36. Ron | May 26, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Kristen,

    As a graduate student at East Tennessee State long ago, I had a course that included a rather lengthy discussion of the Melungeons of Southwest Virginia & Upper East Tennessee. Part of the theory in that course suggested a connection to the lost colony folks & native americans living in southwest Virginia & East Tennessee.

    Can you post a link to the article you read? I couldn’t find it in the online version of the paper.

  37. Debbie | May 26, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Here you go, Ron. The RT article had a picture of the same man holding the same photo, but it was a different picture and he didn’t look quite as miserable as he does in the WaPo story.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/dna-study-yields-surprising-clues-to-genetic-origins-of-dark-skinned-melungeons-of-appalachia/2012/05/24/gJQA25sonU_story.html

  38. Ron | May 26, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Don’t if this was the article you were referring to, but I found this article this morning. It confirms a lot of what I learned in the grad class more than 40 years ago.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47565074/ns/health-health_care/

  39. Sandi Saunders | May 26, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    Phil, the polls were released Tuesday and Wednesday. “Seventy-two percent of likely voters were aware of the recent controversy concerning Elizabeth Warren’s heritage.

    http://suffolk.edu/52625.html

    You and Terps are embarrassing…yourselves.

  40. Kristen | May 27, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Oh sorry Ron I just saw this, but Deb handled it for me. It was interesting.

    Deb, I looked around for some Jackson White info.

    http://www.netstrider.com/documents/whites/

  41. Debbie | May 27, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Thank you so much for that link, Kristen. I just read the introduction and have to go out for a while, but I’ve bookmarked it to read later. I was hooked just a few sentences in to the introduction.

  42. Art Hill | May 27, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    “so you’re wrong”

    How about the other poll that says 72% of Mass. voters don’t give a crap about her heritage? Keep throwing against that wall, maybe something will stick, right?

  43. Phil Chitwood | May 27, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    “You and Terps are embarrassing…yourselves.” Only because our students(you) are being such ditzes.

    Your polls were done BEFORE the Globe’s article. Your polls, NECESSARILY, could not reflect the new info….NECESSARILY!!

    Sandi ……extreme partisanship somehow distorts your sense of time.

  44. Suzie | May 28, 2012 at 6:44 am

    When will the wingnuts realize this childish drivel gets them nowhere.

    Sorry. This story got its legs from a leftwing newspaper in the most radical leftwing state. Blaming conservatives is as silly as Hillary accusing the VRWC of pulling Bubba’s pants down.

  45. Sandi Saunders | May 28, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Once again pointing out that you are embarrassing yourselves Phil and Terps:

    The statewide survey of 600 likely Massachusetts general election voters was conducted May 20-22, 2012…

    …Seventy-two percent of likely voters were aware of the recent controversy concerning Elizabeth Warren’s heritage.

    What part of that has you “ditzes, NECESSARILY” not understanding the facts?

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/05/23/poll-brown-and-warren-tie-up-race-in-massachusetts/

  46. Phil Chitwood | June 1, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Sandi….are you ok?? Something is terribly wrong. The polls came out 5/20-5/22……the Globe article came out on 5/24. Do you understand that the article, since it came out AFTER the polls….could not possibly have influenced the polls? See, when they conducted the poll, the article had not been released. So, information in the article, wasn’t available to the public or the pollsters.

    This is what I wrote that made you turn the process of time on it’s head, laughably, “Art….the 8 pt poll jump was BEFORE the article….so you’re wrong. There is no way to know what the Globe’s reporting will do to the race….perhaps nothing.”

    Of course, you did nothing but reinforce what I wrote.

  47. Phil Chitwood | June 1, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Sandi….focus on the dates!

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