Upside-down on the Thursday OPEN thread
Shot by Dan Tuesday on Electric Road near Melrose Avenue.
“People really feel that, when they go to the gas pump now, that the oil cartel is holding them by the legs and tipping them upside down and shaking money out of their pockets.”
Ed Markey
July 12, 2012 - 10:00 AM
Below is a “right side up” story. I had a 1961 Austin Healy, but sold it to pay for grad school.
http://news.yahoo.com/texas-man-finds-stolen-car-42-years-later-203003133–abc-news-topstories.html?fb_action_ids=10151919471770352%2C498014913547738%2C3914398671416%2C3914384511062%2C10151024799984759&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_ref=type%3Aread%2Cuser%3AS4dMMMjmTpEzb9y4nSsVL4xhsGc%2Ctype%3Aread%2Cuser%3ArWTd7iV67n32ojAt6hZBHuox-68&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151919471770352%22%3A10151109832946528%2C%22498014913547738%22%3A10151098760796803%2C%223914398671416%22%3A10151011815594659%2C%223914384511062%22%3A10150926613308144%2C%2210151024799984759%22%3A10150978312448318%7D&code=AQCkC6iflcjzZZr5Wd0x5AN_Qdns1_5F8cUco7g-8Rbz9J4QHaPqVpN_rDjLE2DG1kt42WfpJBFh2qD1i1YfEQ7ASN8Zmedz5bdnJjL0F1zMywp001CLmUdWyFbJQbeV6dPpUQJybxyEwJwyu760M3VoMaMBdLDY8cZKyTQ0BogtnmnDQAem_QTLTiwKdV6MZS4#_=_
Wow…
Sure as a lot of impressive hardware in the skies over Roanoke today. The stuff we produce is impressive, and scares the heck out of our cats.
A few quotes from Mr. Jefferson
“When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.” — Thomas Jefferson
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
– Thomas Jefferson
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.”
– Thomas Jefferson
“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” — Thomas Jefferson
“My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.” — Thomas Jefferson
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” — Thomas Jefferson
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
– Thomas Jefferson
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” — Thomas Jefferson
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”
– Thomas Jefferson
Mike Scott, I grew up in Virginia Beach, not too far from Oceana NAS. We had a lot of fly-bys from the F-14′s, and then F-18′s…plus CH-53′s and C-130′s. Needless to say, our walls and windows rattled often, but after a while, it’s just background noise like living next to a highway or a railroad. We actually get a fair number of relatively low-altitude F-18′s screaming over where we live now, so it’s like being back in Hampton Roads. I miss living around all that military might, having grown up with it, but I don’t miss the traffic from down there.
Here’s the top of AP’s story regarding Penn State and culpability of it’s top officials, including football coach Joe Paterno, in covering up assistant coach Jerry Sandusky’s sick sexual abused of children:
“Joe Paterno and other top Penn State officials hushed up child sex abuse allegations against Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago for fear of bad publicity, allowing the former assistant football coach to prey on other youngsters, according to a scathing report issued Thursday on the scandal.
“Our most saddening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky’s child victims by the most senior leaders at Penn State,” said former FBI Director Louis Freeh, who was hired by university trustees to look into what has become one of sports’ biggest scandals. “The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who Sandusky victimized.”
After an eight-month investigation, Freeh’s firm produced a 267-page report that concluded that the Hall of Fame coach, President Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz “repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky’s child abuse.”
Paterno “was an integral part of this active decision to conceal” and his firing was justified, Freeh said at a news conference. He called the officials’ disregard for child victims “callous and shocking.”
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PENN_STATE_ABUSE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-12-12-19-48
Note: Freeh is a devout Roman Catholic who, although he’s not a member of Opus Dei himself, sent one of his young sons to a private Opus Dei school.
#3 “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
– Thomas Jefferson
I don’t guess TJ was including his slaves as those who were doing the work.
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Just like I said. The whole point was to convict conservative Catholic Joe Paterno. It was never about the gay assistant coach who actually did the hideous acts. But it’s all part of 0bama’s war on religion, specifically Catholicism in order to justify his trampling of religious rights to gain acceptance for his takeover of 1/6th of the American economy through 0bamacare The media has been more than willing to do 0bama’s bidding on this.
If you don’t believe me, look at the timing of this whole thing. Catholic bishops story, followed by the Sandusky story (out of the blue) followed by 0bama’s announcement to force contraception, followed by Sandra Slut Fluke (out of the blue).
Looking the Other Way
One of the dilemmas we face in our society is the ethics of looking the other way. It is especially true in the workplace as shown in today’s report on the Sandusky scandal at Penn State. You may say I would never ignore such a thing, but are you being honest with yourself? Penn State officials sought to protect their jobs and their institution by ignoring their obligations; in the end, multiple children paid for their cover up. But, what about the teacher who sees a colleague verbally or physically abuse a child – berating or a little hidden pinch; should he risk accusing a fellow teacher who may lose their job, or should they ignore the situation hoping it won’t happen again. Perhaps in preparing a tax return, a CPA discovers a good client is hiding cash receipts – nothing large or particularly material, but still wrong – do they look the other way or give up the client. Or during an audit, you discover a CEO that is contracting services through a separate corporation at competitive process but not disclosing the lack of an arms-length transaction. No harm done? A tough situation, your boss asks you to shred information that would show the company is covering up safety violations that caused a fellow employee to be injured or perhaps looking the other way to sexual harassment or wage discrimination. Action will mean firing and most likely a blot on your reputation that may keep you from ever being hired again. Are your ethics strong enough to take action? What about our Corporate leaders? We expect our companies to make the highest profits possible and judge the CEO’s performance on each year’s growth. Yet do we expect the company to treat its employees fairly, treat of environment justly, and bless our Nation with its taxes as our Nation has blessed the Company with freedom to grow? Apparently not, CEOs get no credit for their ethics and morals by investors. Does capitalism mean the complete void of ethics and morality? Is it naïve to ask our businesses to sacrifice profit for honesty, longevity, environment, employee health and legality? Has our Nation become callous to “truth, justice, and the American way.”
Looking the other way can be as simple as ignoring the beer can by the side of the road as you take your evening walk, or not saying anything as your neighbor breaks the pool rules by bringing in glass bottles. Perhaps as simple as not picking up after your dog as he relieves himself on your neighbors yard, or letting him run loose when there is a leash law while knowing that even the friendliest dog can attack a child.
What about paying your taxes? In my profession this becomes a major issue. Our income tax system is a voluntary tax system. We are charged with voluntarily preparing and submitting our tax returns in a truthful, fair, complete and accurate way. Yes, the IRS does crosscheck some items, and they may indeed audit some returns; however, the government does not come to your home, tell you what you owe, and collect the tax each year. Our system asks you to voluntarily submit a complete and fair tax return based on truthful and accurate information. Except in a couple instances, the government does not require written proof of your income and deductions. If you are audited, they only require evidence to support your income and deductions. In many cases, they do not even require complete accuracy, only that your reporting is fair under the laws of the land. We have a substance vs. fact rule that works for the government but also for the taxpayer. That leaves a wide area of gray as to what is and is not appropriate filing and paying of your income taxes. As licensed tax preparers, my profession must consider the presentation of the facts and fairness of each client’s reporting of their annual tax information. Are the amounts reasonable and supportable, is the client truthful in reporting all income from whatever source derived. Are the amounts excluded from income reporting lawful and each deduction taken real. We face each day having to determine our ethical requirements of turning down work for a client we do not feel is being honest or forthright in reporting their tax information. We often face reviewing returns prepared by other practitioners that appear false or poorly prepared. We struggle to find the line between client confidentiality and exposing fraud. We seek to help our clients take advantage of every lawful deduction, yet are professionals licensed by the government to protect our clients and the public trust. As such, when a client wants to take advantage of tax shelters that are questionable on a substantive basis; even though they may appear to meet the letter of the law, we have to demur to the substantive nature of the shelter. As our client’s representative, we must protect the client from his inclinations to be too aggressive as well as not aggressive enough and this poses many ethical considerations for the professional. Yet, we are also entrusted through our license to not only represent our clients in tax matters; but to also represent the public trust. We are required to protect the integrity of our tax system. We are required to insist that our tax laws be fair and equitable for all citizens, that the laws are equitably applied, that our clients pay not a penny more than required, but also not one penny less. As licensed professionals, it is our duty to speak out and insist that tax laws are equitable and responsible in covering our governments cost; but also, fair to the public trust, and each citizen. We are ethically required to maintain our tax system so that it is respected by the public, that the public dutifully pays their fair share, and that the public believes all others are paying their fair share. Can we say the public believes that all are paying their fair share?
There is the belief that everybody does it. Everybody cheats on their taxes, everybody puts the cash in their pockets, and everyone stretches the truth. Many believe the poor pay too little or the rich pay too much. Some belive that it is fine to have an inequitable tax system if it encourages some to invest or stops the threat of moving their assets overseas. Such belief destroys our voluntary tax system. The system becomes untenable as more and more citizens seek to stretch the boundaries. Of particular concern is when out leaders readily do the same. From Congressmen and Cabinet members that conveniently fail to report questionable items of income to Presidential candidates that take advantage of offshore tax havens, abusive tax shelters, and Swiss bank accounts. Like religious ministers, we know they are only human, but like our ministers, they hold themselves out as leaders of men, and as such, establish themselves to a higher standard. If your minister preaches abstinence and the sins of adultery, then we certainly expect them to not be adulterers. Before Mr. Clinton had his unfortunately affair in the White House, as legal as it may have been, you never heard the four-letter word “suck” in the media. Now it is more common, and I do mean “common”, as heck, dang, shucks and much more. We should certainly expect our leaders to go out of their way to set the example of paying their fair share of taxes and maintaining standards for our society. We must forgive indiscretions as human failure, but we must also hold their hand to the fire as representations of our values and of our public trust. Just because it is legal, does not mean we want our leaders to stretch the extremes. When they do, it is extremely hard to justify expecting the citizen to do otherwise.
We have become a Nation of looking the other way. In fact, we have become a nation where we accept leaders that not only have human flaws as do each of us, but as they readily display their flaws and ask us to accept such as par for the course; we do. We have come to accept leaders that protect institutions over citizens, investors over the public trust, party over fairness. Yet each time we look the other way, our Nation loses one more bit of truth, one more bit of justice, and one more bit of the American Way.
#5 He’s obviously not a REAL Catholic if he’s doing anything but worshipping Joe. This is just another part of the continuing MSM plot that any day now will include baseless attacks on Coach K. Right after the whole 10 Commandments thing in Giles County blows up into a gigantic presidential campaign issue.
“Raped and battered women “are distractions” that only represent a “small portion” of South Carolina’s population. That’s how Governor Nikki Haley explained her decision to veto critical funding that goes to programs that work to prevent domestic abuse and rape.”
Harry Truman had it right a long time ago.
http://front.moveon.org/take-one-look-at-this-quote-by-harry-truman-and-let-us-know-which-side-youre-on/#.T_7_soSHzAY.facebook
#7 Oh good lord, suzie made up something even more outrageous and tinfoil-hat-worthy than what I posted in #9. Astounding.
Michael Howdydo-
Three of the nine quotes you listed are bogus, there’s no evidence that Jefferson said them (2, 5, 7). But congrats, a .666 accuracy rate is pretty good for a right wing chain email.
#4 is a misquote, but I won’t count that against you.
Seriously everyone, if you get an email that has been forwarded a million times, take a few minutes to confirm what it says.
Thankfully, nutbars like Suzie won’t get to write the history of Joe Paterno. He will be remembered by everyone who hasn’t drank the Happy Valley kool-aid as a man who covered up crimes repeatedly and actively enabled the rape of children.
Did any of the progressives on this blog know about this connection?
I just happened upon this news from early 2012, and if I were a conspiracy “enthusiast” I think I should be worried about it, no?
1. Clear Channel Communications owns more radio stations (850) than anyone else in the United States. So, needless to say, Clear Channel basically owns conservative talk radio.
2. One of the subsidiaries of Clear Channel is Premiere Radio Networks. Premier is a wholly-owned division of [the above]Clear Channel Communications. Premiere Radio Networks is the company that syndicates the radio shows of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck, among others
3. So who owns Clear Channel?
4. Bain Capital is one of the primary owners of Clear Channel. This company that Mitt Romney ran for so long, is one of the “big bosses” over virtually all conservative talk radio broadcasts in America. That deal was finalized in 2008. Today, Bain Capital is still one of the primary owners of Clear Channel.
“He [Romney] is a “retired partner”, but he still has a huge financial stake in Bain Capital. We’re talking about millions upon millions of dollars.”
http://www.infowars.com/bain-capital-owns-clear-channel-romney-supported-by-talk-show-sphere/
5. Now Romney can basically “own” the RW radio industry – having his minions act as his cheerleaders and propagandists – asking him “soft ball” questions, which is typical of Romney’s inadequate interviews, allows him to do his usual gaming the system.
6. So, untangling this knot of secret deals:
Bain Capital owns Clear Channel Communications, which in turn owns Premier Radio Networks [the RW propaganda machines], therefore, by extension, theoretically Bain “owns” Rush Limbaugh, which allows Romney unfettered access to Limbaugh’s low information listeners. Romney, without one core belief proceeds to buy his way towards the presidency.
How would the RWers react if you inserted the name Obama for Romney? The lunatics would run from the asylum called the Republican Party foaming at the mouth and tearing out their hair…and we would hear the constant drumbeat about unethical behavior…but for now, crickets…
Also, talk about gaming the system! Romney flew some
black-onservative “audience” members to yesterday’s NAACP meeting, to ensure he would have some friendlies in the audience…The republican game plan: lie, cheat, and steal to win any election…
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/12/naacp-official-romney-rigged-crowd-by-having-blacks-flown-in/
#3- And a few more quotes attributed to Mr. Jefferson…
“But this opens with a vast accession of strength from their younger recruits, who, having nothing in them of the feelings or principles of ’76, now look to a single and splendid government of an aristocracy, founded on banking institutions, and moneyed incorporations under the guise and cloak of their favored branches of manufactures, commerce and navigation, riding and ruling over the plundered ploughman and beggared yeomanry. This will be to them a next best blessing to the monarchy of their first aim, and perhaps the surest stepping-stone to it.”
“Preach, my dear Sir, a crusade against ignorance; establish and improve the law for educating the common people. Let our countrymen know that the people alone can protect us against these evils, and that the tax which will be paid for this purpose is not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings, priests and nobles who will rise up among us if we leave the people in ignorance.”
“Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.”
He was talking about the Europe of that time in this one, but I wonder if he wouldn’t say this same thing about our country today?
“Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep. I do not exaggerate. This is a true picture of Europe. Cherish therefore the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. Do not be too severe upon their errors, but reclaim them by enlightening them. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress, and Assemblies, judges and governors shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions; and experience declares that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the governments of Europe, and to the general prey of the rich on the poor.”
Michael,
As you can see, it’s fairly easy to pick and choose certain quotations from Mr. Jefferson to backup a different line of thought than yours. I guess it’s because he was a complicated man and not a one-dimensional thinker. He seemed to be someone who gave great care and thought to each circumstance and didn’t feel that a “blanket” process or answer could work just as well for every instance.
Looking over his writings, laws, works, etc. you can see that in some cases he was more conservative and in others more liberal. That is one of the reasons I admire him. I think this country would be in much better shape if we would all strive for more balance and much less extremism.
Magpie, welcome back!
Good to see that Screwzie is so concerned for the abused children.
Mr. Beason, I agree with you that all of us are guilty of looking the other way from time to time on issues such as taxes, fellow employees stealing from employers, etc…. but I can assure you if I had been the assistant coach that witnessed first hand what horror Sandusky exposed these children to, that bastard would not have left that locker room in the same shape he entered it. It still makes me want to puke when I think about that assistant coach turning his back on that child and walking away, making no effort to rescue that boy from that monster. I never make it a habit of confessing to know the mind of God in any circumstance, but I can’t help but wonder what judgement day was like for Paterno. Joe Pa was a good man who done so much for his university and all the players who came through his program, but when good men stand by and do nothing in certain situations innocence pays the price….
When you are putting your name on something, at least bother to check it out!
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/jefferson-quotes.htm
My daughter is planning to attend the VCDL picnic Sat. eve and she is considering taking John Wilburn’s class. She wanted me to ask if Mr. Wilburn will be at the picnic and, if so, how can she find him there to meet him and get more info on the class. Thanks!
“The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who Sandusky victimized. Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley never demonstrated, through actions or words, any concern for the safety and well-being of Sandusky’s victims until after Sandusky’s arrest.” -Louis Freeh
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/07/12/156654260/was-there-a-coverup-report-on-penn-state-scandal-may-tell-us
The aforementioned men spent 14 years to protect the Penn State football program. Thus, Penn State should lose their football program for the next 14 years…and I would just add one more year to make it an even 15.
Jefferson was a hypocrite, I see where some get the idea that is OK, but it really is not. There is as much to despise as admire. Taking any quote out of context diminishes the man you are trying to esteem in many cases. It matters!
“The Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom – Draft
Thomas Jefferson
(1779)
SECTION I. Well aware that the opinions and belief of men depend not on their own will, but follow involuntarily the evidence proposed to their minds; that Almighty God hath created the mind free, and manifested his supreme will that free it shall remain by making it altogether insusceptible of restraint; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments, or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, who being lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do, but to extend it by its influence on reason alone; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time: That to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical; that even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion, is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness; and is withdrawing from the ministry those temporary rewards, which proceeding from an approbation of their personal conduct, are an additional incitement to earnest and unremitting labours for the instruction of mankind; that our civil rights have no dependance on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which, in common with his fellow citizens, he has a natural right; that it tends also to corrupt the principles of that very religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing, with a monopoly of worldly honours and emoluments, those who will externally profess and conform to it; that though indeed these are criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way; that the opinions of men are not the object of civil government, nor under its jurisdiction; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency is a dangerous falacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty, because he being of course judge of that tendency will make his opinions the rule of judgment, and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own; that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself; that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate; errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them.”
http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact_draft_1779.html
Suzie,
Why oh why do you have to be a Catholic? Haven’t we suffered enough already?
Daily Kos reports that Limbaugh’s empire is not unlike the Wizard of Oz’s – don’t look behind the curtain!!
http://tinyurl.com/73tfp5d
FWIW ,MichaelH, I’m disinclined to care much about the attitudes of a slaveholder towards labor.
And Paterno’s legacy is now one of both enabling and covering for child molestation. I wonder how long until that statue comes down. I hope PSU’s faithful haveg
their checkbooks handy.
#23- Sandi,
I agree that “There is as much to despise as admire.” There are some things I do admire about him. There are other things I don’t, and some of his opinions/beliefs I vehemently disagree with. Although, to varying degrees, I can say that about many people I know.
As for Jefferson being a hypocrite, that’s a charge that could be leveled at anyone. I say that because a person might think something was alright in this instance but not in that. And to someone, not knowing the other person’s reasoning on the matter, it may look like that person is just being hypocritical. I’m not saying that Jefferson wasn’t one. I’m just saying that it’s hard to know when he was from such a completely different time period than the one we live in. Obviously some of the things that were acceptable then aren’t now and vice versa. (But he could have seemed to be a big hypocrite to people in his time too.
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On another note, I too just took snippets from some of Jefferson’s speeches or writings. I did that purposefully though, to show that you can pretty much back up any of your beliefs or arguments that way- even if you’re countering what someone else offered by using the same source.
Suzie,
Why oh why do you have to be a Catholic? Haven’t we suffered enough already?
Oh, let me guess. BBSuz is another one of those fake Catholics who thinks abortion is just fine.
And for all those missing Virgil Goode…and I know you are out there:
If Virgil Goode gets on the ballot in Virginia it could spell trouble for Romney. He pulls 9% of the vote, getting most of his support from Republicans and conservative leaning independents. With him in the picture Obama’s lead pushes out to 14 points at 49-35. It’s highly unlikely Goode would get 9% in the end but he certainly could make a difference if Virginia ended up being more like a 1-2 pt race. Goode staying off the ballot may be vital to Romney’s prospects there. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/07/obama-holding-serve-in-the-upper-south.html#more
Coming to a blog near you (courtesy of the Republican Party), soon?
http://tinyurl.com/827csx8
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S-R must provide info on anonymous commenter
Thomas Clouse The Spokesman-Review
July 10, 2012 in City, Idaho
The Spokesman-Review must provide information that could identify an anonymous reader who typed a disparaging online comment about the chairwoman of the Kootenai County Republican Party in February, an Idaho judge ruled Tuesday.
SNIP
In his written decision, Judge John Luster pointed out that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled since 1942 that the First Amendment does not protect defamatory speech. “… while the individuals are entitled to the right of anonymous free speech, this right is clearly limited when abused,” Luster wrote.
He ordered the newspaper to give to the plaintiff “any document establishing the identity, e-mail address, and IP (Internet Protocol) addresses of ‘almostinnocentbystander.’”
SNIP
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If this judges opinion stands and spreads, old Rants & Raves (w/ lies) might end up being outed by a legal precedent created by the Republicans. Now, IMHO, that would be ironic.
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Thankfully, nutbars like Suzie won’t get to write the history of Joe Paterno. He will be remembered by everyone who hasn’t drank the Happy Valley kool-aid as a man who covered up crimes repeatedly and actively enabled the rape of children.
You’re the nutbar. You choose to allow the acts of one gay pervert assistant coach to erase a 50-year career of Paterno making sure his players graduate and become productive individuals.
We must remember it’s the left who has always preached any lifestyle should be permitted. They’re the ones who embrace homosexuality and all that can accompany it.
A few quotes from Mr. Jefferson
“When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.” — Thomas Jefferson
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
– Thomas Jefferson
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.”
– Thomas Jefferson
“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” — Thomas Jefferson
“My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.” — Thomas Jefferson
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” — Thomas Jefferson
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
– Thomas Jefferson
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” — Thomas Jefferson
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”
– Thomas Jefferson
Now Michael has the nut cases attacking the venerable Thomas Jefferson. Well-played, Michael. That’s two great ones in two days.
Dan deleted my post responding to Howdyshell yesterday because I spelled out “BS” but that’s ok. I won’t spell it out today but Howdy gets another “BS” from me today. Misquoting Thomas Jefferson not once but multiple times….what is the RW of the Republican Party coming too? I’ll repeat what I said three days ago in response to another misquote by Howdy…. either the RWers are intentionally misrepresenting the truth or there are lots of dimwits amongst the RWers.
Dude, please check out this BS before you pass it along. I will be eye opening and you won’t look so silly!
Thanks Suzi
13 Suns:
21.”My daughter is planning to attend the VCDL picnic Sat. eve and she is considering taking John Wilburn’s class. She wanted me to ask if Mr. Wilburn will be at the picnic and, if so, how can she find him there to meet him and get more info on the class. Thanks!”
Barring a work-related catastrophe (out of town client on the way in), I will be there. A lot of the VCDL folks know me, just ask around or she can call or text me at the number on the website. I look forward to meeting her and discussing the class!
Most ill-informed – PLEASE point me to ANY progressive endorsing pedophiles like Sandusky. Never going to find it, never happened. Your dim bulb needs changing as you have been told time and time and time and time again that Sandusky is not gay – he is a pedophile. You know, like the Catholic priests that are moved from parish to parish…they are criminals. Gay people are not criminals. Let it seep into the cesspool you call your “brain”…
Michael Howdyshell, you really want kudos from someone who thinks Sandusky’s behavior is “gay” and not pedophilia? Someone championing a coach who looked the other way while young boys were raped? I know you have sons, I have sons – how would you like other coaches to behave like that – Sandusky rapes, Paterno looks the other way…careful now that most ill-informed decided you are like her…
Re: Comment by Shrillary — July 12, 2012 @ 5:00 pm
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Shhhh.
Don’t tell the TP.
You see it is actually a liberal funded plot / strategy for a key swing State.
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A few quotes from Mr. Jefferson….
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
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But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
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What is it men cannot be made to believe!
-Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)
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Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
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Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
Plucked from: Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
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But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
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What is it men cannot be made to believe!
-Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)
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Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
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Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
Plucked from: http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm
Thus begineth the quote mine war in which people who espouse particular positions by plucking random quotes, out of context, to bolster their point of view.
History question Michael: Was Jefferson’s view of a limited Federal government consistent with his use of executive power in regard to the Louisiana purchase? How about sending the US Navy to Tripoli?
Love to hear what you have to say about that.
OJ@4
Oddly enough, we had a ton of low flying military hardware flying over our home in Ferrum, of all places. Some real window rattling. F15′S, F18′S a low flying B52 and a B1 or two. Not as common as the beach area, but it became pretty routine.
My wife and I were hikie at Mt. R ogers a couple of weeks ago and we got buzzed first by an A6 and then aV22 Osprey.
I’m pretty sure I don’t want to be in a place where that kind of technology is trying to kill me.
Speaking of “swing States”, are we ready for “swing counties”?
http://tinyurl.com/d42safp
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Loren Thompson, Contributor
Washington
7/10/2012 @ 12:25PM
Defense-Heavy Fairfax County, Va., Could Decide Presidential Race
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Virginia is one of the states deemed too close to call, and this year it looks poised to be the kingmaker because of the way the other swing states will split. As Helene Cooper put it in the New York Times on May 4, “With Virginia, Mr. Obama can lose Ohio and still win re-election. With Virginia, he can lose Florida and still win re-election.” But without Virginia, Obama looks doomed — as Romney may be if he loses the Old Dominion’s electoral-college votes. So 13 electoral-college votes can mean a lot when the national electorate is evenly divided, as it is today.
The way the electoral system works, though, it isn’t just a handful of swing states that are likely to decide which candidate wins in November, it’s a handful of counties within those states. In the case of Fairfax County, its 1.1 million residents represent one in seven of all Virginians, and so it bulks very large in the determination of which slate of electors will get the most votes. In 2008, candidate Obama attracted 310,000 votes in Fairfax, which was more than his margin of victory in the state. No other county in the state contributed even a third of that number.
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Check this out.
http://tinyurl.com/7l2gcmh
Where are you on the global fat scale?
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FYI, my results:
You have less body fat than 73% of males aged 70-79 in your country
You have more body fat than 66% of males aged 70-79 in the world
You’re most like someone from Denmark
And I know that I overweight.
Shrillary:
“If Virgil Goode gets on the ballot in Virginia it could spell trouble for Romney.”
I heard him speak and signed to help him get on the ballot yesterday.
Perhaps the GOP can bring Newt back in now that Mitt is admitting a felony for signing SEC papers as being in charge when he says to the American people today, he wasn’t. To top it off, he accuses Obama of lying as President to cover his own lies.
Between using abusive tax shelters, hiding his money in the Caymans and with the Swiss, owning part of a foreign company specializing in outsourcing US jobs, lying about his status to the SEC, dodging the draft, refusing to issue his tax returns, no idea on foreign affairs, bankrupting companies to make a profit, using the most aggressive schemes to avoid US taxes, Mitt should bow out now.
Just a bit of history to share today. Walter Mondale made a big decision on this day in 1984. Can anyone remember what it was???
Think Geraldine Ferraro!!
#21: 13 Suns, if your daughter’s in the Roanoke Valley, I recommend that she skip travelling all the way up to the NRV, and instead take the excellent course taught in Hardy by Gary Feazelle and others:
http://www.roanokerifle.com/
I agree with this article.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/12/opinion/gale-tax-cut/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7
13 Suns,
I don’t see where John replied to you. I’m not certain, but I do believe he is planning to attend the picnic.
I’ve not met him personally myself, so I’m not sure who to tell your daughter to look for. However, just asking around for him I’m sure someone there will be able to point her in the right direction.
http://tinyurl.com/7ajwzcv
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John King: Why is 1999 so important in Obama-Romney race?
By John King, CNN Chief National Correspondent
updated 9:14 PM EDT, Thu July 12, 2012
[video]
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Obama campaign says Romney lying about involvement with Bain after he left
Romney campaign chief says Obama should apologize for “out of control” campaign
Four sources — three of them Democrats — support Romney side of dispute
Obama campaign wants to tie story to other attacks on Romney’s character
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Why o’ why can’t both side debate policy and drop the attack ads?
A curse on both their houses, IMHO.
Bill Perdue,
With regard to the made-up quotes from TJ: Facts don’t matter anymore. Didn’t you get the memo?
#41 – Dave Hicks
Here are my results:
23 bmi
Less body fat than 88% males 30-44 nationally
Less body fat than 60% males 30-44 internationally
Apparently, I’d fit right in in Malaysia.
Thanks for that. It makes me feel pretty good, actually.
Dave Hicks, I think it matters because the Romney name and imprimatur matter. He may have handed over management but he neglected to inform the SEC of that and yes, that matters, it is a lie.
“To be clear, all four of the sources voiced professional loyalty and personal respect for Romney. And all four have a vested interest in defending the work of Bain.”
What if she is right? “Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony, or he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments,”
The PURPOSE of the SEC reports is accuracy and truth. Investors who see Romney’s name as owner cared IMO and that is why it continued. “a Massachusetts financial disclosure form Romney filed in 2003 states that he still owned 100 percent of Bain Capital in 2002. And Romney’s state financial disclosure forms indicate he earned at least $100,000 as a Bain “executive” in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings.”
http://bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2012/07/11/government-documents-indicate-mitt-romney-continued-bain-after-date-when-says-left/IpfKYWjnrsel4pvCFbsUTI/story.html
Michael, Bill Perdue is about as straight an arrow (and as nice a man) as this blog gets. He is ALSO not a liberal. You need to check that Suzie dazzle that has you acting as you have the past couple days. She is hiding in anonymity. You are not.
Why o’ why can’t both side debate policy and drop the attack ads?
A curse on both their houses, IMHO.
Maybe it’s because only one side is doing these lying attacks. But I understand. You’re following the leftwing playbook. When a Democrat is caught red-handed in a lie, you say “both sides do it”/
Most ill-informed – PLEASE point me to ANY progressive endorsing pedophiles like Sandusky. Never going to find it, never happened.
I already told you, honeybunch. Boy-molestation is the milieu of gay men only. Conservatives don’t approve of gay activity. Liberals demand we embrace gay activity and all it entails. You people want an anything-goes society. That’s what you got. You people have created the environment that allows boy molestation to happen. Ever heard of NAMBLA? Big supporters of Democrats. Wonder why.
In my own defense im not 100% sure Mr. JJefferson said these things, but i dont know that he did not. I do know he feared a strong federal givernment and believed in state centered federalism. True or not it was fun to po the libs. Dave have you read everything Mr J wrote. My brother holds a phd from Mr. Jeffersons University and is well versed on ole TJ I will ask him
21: “13 Suns, if your daughter’s in the Roanoke Valley, I recommend that she skip travelling all the way up to the NRV, and instead take the excellent course taught in Hardy by Gary Feazelle and others:”
So did you take that class yourself Warren and are personally endorsing it or are you just continuing to go WAY out of your way to flip me off again?
Mike Scott, what was the hardware over Roanoke today?
John W., Warren, and Jack:
Thank you gentlemen for your replies. I’ll pass the info along to my daughter. I’d like to join you folks, but I’m already obligated to go on a daytrip with a couple of other grandmas to NC. Outlet stores, look out! Here comes the old gals club again!
13 Suns, we have events fairly regularly. I hope you can make it to something soon; I’d like to meet you.
Remember “micro-stamping” as a supposed crime-contol measure?
HAHAHAHA! And this is doing it the MORE difficult way! Link via the VA-ALERT:
http://tinyurl.com/7c8783k
This carries some weight. The only man in American history who has overseen two major war victories from two different cabinet positions says Mitt Romney is the only man who could see America safelly through a major attack”
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cheney-calls-romney-only-man-able-lead-country-021944293.html?_esi=1
This is like having Muhammed Ali tell you’re a great boxer or MJ saying your a great hoops player.
#38- “Thus begineth the quote mine war in which people who espouse particular positions by plucking random quotes, out of context, to bolster their point of view.”
Mike Scott, a trick learned from doing it with the Bible so often.
#41- Dave Hicks,
Thanks for sharing that link. I think the calculator on that test may not be working correctly though, but I’ll take it! haha I do try to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but I’m not fanatical about it and definitely don’t deprive myself. I wonder if having a “body type” category too on these tests would change the outcome much?
BMI 23
You have less body fat than 86% of females aged 45-59 in your country
You have less body fat than 62% of females aged 45-59 in the world
You’re most like someone from Libera
#61 It does carry some weight, coming from probably the most despised person in American politics. Even many Rethugs can’t stand the guy. But take heart (he, he), there’s no indication he’s coming to the gun event at Green Hill.
#32 OK, and now suzie considers pointing out the quotes that didn’t actually come from TJ “attacking.”
It does carry some weight, coming from probably the most despised person in American politics.
Cheney is only despised by the half-percenters who watch Butch Maddow or the weird middle-aged guy who still parts his hair down the middle. The rest of America reveres the guy.
Reckon Cheney’s daughter and her wife call Rachel, “Butch”? What a loser you are Suzie.
#65 Lord, how do you stand being wrong all the time? One of Cheney’s last ratings had him at 18 percent approval and 74 percent disapproval. Eighteen percent is what you call the “rest of America”?
So did you take that class yourself Warren and are personally endorsing it or are you just continuing to go WAY out of your way to flip me off again?
Comment by John Wilburn — July 12, 2012 @ 10:40 pm
My gun training was obtained before Gary was doing it, although he’s been at it a long time. But I certainly do endorse his class as better than the dangerously bogus one hour online “class” that the VCDL is willing to defend as sufficient for a CCP. Also, Gary doesn’t spew the type of strident gun radicalism that puts mainstream gun owners in a bad light during public safety discussions.
But I don’t know why you thought it was about you, John, when it was 13 Suns’ daughter I was advising not to go out of her way with such good instructors locally. Do you have some special reason she should? If she’s in the Roanoke Valley, it will be closer, and acquaint her with a range she can use more often.
I guess I can understand your touchiness if teaching gun classes is an important component of your income. Don’t worry-you’ll manage to find more students eager to pay for gun instruction, and I suppose some will even want some optional indoctrination in RKBAG philosophy and learning how to combine wholesale dismissal of other gun owners who disagree with one’s positions as “antis” while applauding one’s self as a particularly objective and independent thinker capable of imagining they moderate the VCDL’s image. After all, the NRV has plenty of Palin supporters too. Good Luck!
#54 most ill-informed, “I already told you, honeybunch. Boy-molestation is the milieu of gay men only. ”
OMG – are you saying the Catholic Church is filled with GAY men!!?? whose “milieu” is “Boy-molestation”??!! Finally, you have connected some dots…however, please go study up on pedophilia so you know the difference when speaking to a priest who may be gay and one who is a pedophile… the one patting the boy on his behind is probably the latter, just so you know.
#42 John Wilburn posted, “I heard him speak and signed to help him get on the ballot yesterday.”
Comment by John Wilburn — July 12, 2012 @ 8:38 pm
He was our representative in Franklin County, heard him speak many times, and understood him about 50% of those times…
I hope you do a great job campaigning for him, you are in essence helping the President…how is that for irony!
Run Virgil, Run!
Virgil is to 2012 what Ralph Nader was to 2000.
Except that Obama could win without Virgil in the race, and Bush couldn’t have beat Gore without Nadar in it.
True Dan, but the amusement factor…I for one look forward to how closed caption will capture whatever Virgil says and put it on the bottom of the screen…vicxps ciitysp nnunun – I think it will look something like that…
Why, oh why, am I not surprised #42?
Warren, you remain untouchable! My husband brought home a new rifle last night and I joked, “get that in the house quick, I can’t be seen near a gun!”.
JohnW, seriously you heard him talk? Did you understand one word? The man is unintelligible. That he’s a candidate for president doesnt speak well for democracy in general.
That being said, I wish him much success.
Virgil sounds just like Ward Burton.
“I hope you do a great job campaigning for him [Virgil Goode]”
I am NOT campaigning for him. I just like to see people who put forth the effort to get on the ballot, get on the ballot. That goes for anyone.
I went to hear Ralph Nader speak once, but I wasn’t campaigning for him either. He was very interesting. Virgil Goode was interesting too, but for different reasons. The Q & A made it worthwhile.
75.”Virgil sounds just like Ward Burton.”
No offense, but Ward Burton sounds better. It’s the same accent, but different voice.
“But I don’t know why you thought it was about you, John, when it was 13 Suns’ daughter I was advising not to go out of her way with such good instructors locally.”
Oh, BS. You loathe me for whatever reason… I will go to Roanoke to teach anyway. If I taught in Roanoke, you’d endorse someone in the NRV just to spite me. Jabbing at a few of your favorites on the blog is apparently a serious hobby of yours.
Now Dan, Ward Burton is bad, but not nearly that bad! And Virgil and Gary Johnson in this race will be just aboiut enough to suck away about 3 to 4 % of the most radical winger vote that might have gone to Romney. I wish them both success. I even wish we could get Ron Paul in the race as a third party candidate. Every redneck nitwit that deserts Romney is a plus for the home team.
71.”Virgil is to 2012 what Ralph Nader was to 2000.”
No, Virgil Goode will not get nearly that many votes of be that much of a factor.
“I even wish we could get Ron Paul in the race as a third party candidate.”
Me too, but he would be on par with Ross Perot in the third party arena and make a gift of the election to Obama.
I like the other candidates and appreciate hearing what they want to do and their opinions of how to better our county, but I’m voting for Romney. He may be no better than Obama, but a second term for Obama is far too risky for me. Romney doesn’t show me an effective first term either. He is a politician… not a statesman… a politician. I don’t think he has anything up his sleeve for either term.
For those that think of him as a “vulture capitalist” that likes to break up companies and part them out, let’s say he could do that to the country too:
Sell off Minnesota and Maine to Canada to help pay off debt. It’s too cold to live there anyway. Sink that cash-hemorrhaging California for a natural reef and make Nevada a coastal state. Make West Virginia a scrap recycling center (officially, as it already is unofficially) and privatize it. Give Texas back to Mexico, but make that new border a real border… sounds like a good deal to me. It’s not like they don’t have Texas now. Sell the gulf to BP and let them continue to market it as a private resort and sell questionable seafood. Let all of the modern-day secessionists go in together and buy Mississippi.
I say this in jest, but it would be interesting to see some ideas for “parting out” this country. Kind of like the plan for the airline in the movie “Wall Street.” Just a fun question for a fun Saturday!
Have a great afternoon. Hope to see you at the VCDL picnic!
Virgil sounds just like Ward Burton.
No, Virgil has that southside Virginia gentleman accent. Burton has a speech impediment. His brother doesn’t talk that way.
I never understood why Virginia State Parks would hire Ward Burton, a guy with a speech impediment, to be their spokesman. Especailly when he had to say “parks” so many times.
I respect Gary John ten times more than I do Virgil opportunist Goode! And Johnson actually manages to make sense on some issues.
John Wilburn “jabbing” people who ask for it is not what you do? Really?
John Wilburn – correction, I hope you are successful getting Virgil on the ballot…and I mean that sincerely…no snark.
@69 All I can say is that reply rocked!
82.”John Wilburn – correction, I hope you are successful getting Virgil on the ballot…and I mean that sincerely…no snark.”
Hey, he needs 10,000 signatures (likely more since Virginia is so picky). I gave him one.
It was my pleasure to meet John Wilburn, Dave Hicks, and the regularhere who goes by Jack, and others, at the VCDL picnic this afternoon. Thanks for the invite guys, more about the picnic on the blog tomorrow .
Likewise Dan. Thanks for joining us!
It was my pleasure to not only meet Dan and Zach in person, but Steve C passed his regards by phone as he couldn’t make it. A fun day for sure.
Sounds like you boys had a great time! My daughter said to let Mr. Wilburn know she wishes she could’ve made it, but it was raining cats and dogs during the time she had planned to come by. She is planning to get in touch with you via your website in the next couple of weeks.
13 Suns,
It poured mercilously for a few minutes at the beginning and end of the picnic, but otherwise was a nice day. I look forward to hearing from her.
13 Suns,
I was running about 20-30 minutes late for the picnic, and the weather had been great all day.. started pouring on the way.
But, it let up for most of the time and the only time it really rained hard was while we were in the shelter listening to Philip Van Cleave talk about a few things. It let up again as soon as he was finished.
Dan — It was great to meet you and your son, too. I know he was dying to eat and I hope he found enough to satisfy him.
I hope we get the opportunity to hang out again some time.