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Monday, May 20, 2013
THE ROANOKE TIMES
Nice song by someone taking a stand against European fascism.
You’re aware that Woody Guthrie was a socialist and a communist, right?
Rhonda,
A socialist and a communist? How could that possibly be? We have been informed, over and over again, right here on this blog by our own “political historian,” that fascism is the same thing as socialism and communism. For you to be correct, it would mean that Woody was singing against his own brothers in politics.
I assure you, Suzie has a serious bone to pick with you.
Dan…you called me at 7pm..
I was at BRINGING my dad back from the hospital.I would have picked up the phone but most people do not conduct business after 5p.
Call me anytime…mon-friday business hours…
If all you got is A WOODY GUTHRIE song about KILLING FASCIST then I am not playing that game…(Romney and Ryan are MURDERING old women and cancer patients) and you come up with A WOODY GUTHRIE song…
I stand by my comments. I do not need SOMEONE ELSE to tell me “am taken out of context” OR “that’s JUST JOE”..(HE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA….we dumbing down that office too?
A nice feel good story about a reformed white supremacist making amends for her former lifestyle by raising her kids to be attuned to others.
http://www.npr.org/2012/08/17/158926181/a-murder-a-secret-and-a-mothers-attempt-to-atone
Rhonda, I love you!…who is Susie?
“Dan…you called me at 7pm..
I was at BRINGING my dad back from the hospital.I would have picked up the phone but most people do not conduct business after 5 p.m.”
Steve Nelson,
You sent me the email at 6:32 p.m., and I called you less than 30 minutes later. Did I wait too long? My apologies.
So I reckon you SENT the email while your dad was in the hospital. Is that correct?
Suzie is the troll on this blog who argues (wrongly) that fascism and socialism are the same thing.
What she doesn’t realize is that with that argument, she’s calling Romney a socialist.
Re: Comment by Dan Casey — August 17, 2012 @ 7:11 pm
Dan,
If you ever get past that with old Rants & Raves (w/lies), you can work on those who fail to understand the difference between socialism and a communism.
Good luck, with Le Mythe de Sisyphe task.
However, with apologies to Camus, I would imagine you a happy blogger, as that struggle itself [...] is enough to fill a man’s heart.
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I have a question that might anger some of my conservative friends on the blog. I would love to have some real thoughtful answers because I honestly don’t know the answers.
1) Why are we in Afghanistan?
2) How do we determine when victory has been achieved?
3) What is Victory?
4) Why don’t we just leave?
Suzie is the troll on this blog who argues (wrongly) that fascism and socialism are the same thing.
Oh, gee. Another lie from Dan. I don’t use the term ‘fascism’. I simply said Hitler was leftwing because all dictatorships involve big government and denial of personal freedom. Communist is socialism enforced through violence. I don’t think 0bama would have any trouble going that way if he could get away with it. After all, his father was a communist, and so were the men who mentored him.
As you all might have guessed we have been on vacation this week near my favorite city in the world Charleston SC. We are on Folley Beach and Hunter just caught a sting ray. We reeled him in cut the line and helped him get back to water.
Unless I don’t remember my European History lessons correctly Socialism refers to an economic system and Communism refers to a political system. If I’m wrong I’m sure Dan or Sandi will correct me.
Michael,
Capitalism is when you have two cows, they produce milk, you sell the milk and keep the money.
Socialism is when you have two cows, the government takes the milk from one and you sell the milk from the other.
Communism is when you have two cows, the government takes the cows and gives you some of their milk.
Fascism is when the government comes and takes your two cows, then shoots you.
I have a question that might anger some of my conservative friends on the blog. I would love to have some real thoughtful answers because I honestly don’t know the answers.
1) Why are we in Afghanistan?
2) How do we determine when victory has been achieved?
3) What is Victory?
4) Why don’t we just leave?
Michael, these were the very questions liberal hounded GWB about in 2004. Now 0bama has lost more lives than Bush did at the same point in his administration, yet we hear NOTHING about it. No media member is badgering 0bama about his failed war. The double standard is so completely outrageous.
” I don’t use the term ‘fascism’. ”
What’s wrong…outside your vocabulary? If I were a RWer I wouldn’t use that word either. Awkward.
So Dan, I take it the majority of regulars here prefer and promote #2? And you?
MichaelH, my older son had his beach week at a house at Folly. He loved it down there….so much nicer than Myrtle. Have fun!
Dan…don’t get side tracked….
I was at home and sent you an email having dinner while waiting for my dad to get released from the hospital…BEEN THERE ALL DAY!. I got the call right after sending you an email…
PATHETIC…but typical. Lose the debate and come up WITH what. WOODY GUTHRIE…KILLING FASCIST!
Fascism IS COMPLETE government control OVER privately held companies…DOES GENERAL MOTORS come to mind.
Have no interest in blogging.. I sent you an email and to your editors,Washington Post editorial writers. and responded to wanting to post my comments on your blog.
If you want to debate this via your networks…NYT, Washington Post, MSBNC then LET’S GET THE PARTY STARTED.
YOUR ONLY RESPONSE was PLAYING A WOODY GUTHRIE song…KILLING FASCIST…Again a pathetic sophomoric reply…(are you IMPLYING something)…
JUST ASKING…I stand by my comments and reply to your reporting. Nothing taken out of context on my side…nothing implied about KILLING..only YOU…
Let’s debate OBAMA and BIDEN…on THE BIG SCREEN…
Oh, gee, another lie from Suzie. You simply lie that “Hitler was leftwing” and you decide this because a government of virtually one (sometimes a small cabal) is somehow “big government” in your mind. How much smaller can a government be if it is controlled by one or a small handful of people? Who was the last TP/GOP leader to shrink government BTW? Since right wingers are historically documented for “denial of personal freedom” it is ludicrous to claim that is “leftwing”. “Communist” is not remotely “socialism enforced through violence”. Either you are not informed or you are deliberately dishonest. I can make a case for either.
You don’t even seem to know the difference in being a communist in a free country (which means nothing) and being a communist in a Communist country!
#11 Uh oh, Michael, now you’re in trouble with suzie for getting on the blog during vacation. She’s decreed that off limits during vacations. But I think it’s mostly because she hasn’t figured out how to get online without shutting herself up in her room.
Michael, here are the answers to your questions:
1) We’re in Afghanistan because George W. Bush and the neocons foolishly decided to occupy that country and try to turn it into a democracy in the wake of the 9/11 attack. What we SHOULD have done was gone in there, killed bin Laden and every other member of Al Qaeda we could find, and gotten out. We’re still there because President Obama, unwisely, has not gotten us out.
2) Remember when Afghans voted in their first election? I can still recall the awe, and choked up voices of some RWer pundits. They considered that “victory,” and one by one they had RWer punditgasms on the radio and TV. The truth is, as those silly sh–s should have known back then, is that there is no permanent and long-lasting victory in Afghanistan, as history has demonstrated over and over again by every superpower that’s tried to conquer it.
3) See #2
4) Good question. I have yet to hear a cogent explanation of why we should not.
Steve Nelson, I play a song most every Friday at 4 p.m.
Don’t flatter yourself that it has anything to do with your “letter.” That was a separate blog post.
1)Why are we in Afghanistan?Because Bush/Cheney believed that we could do what had not been done before…or they too wanted to bankrupt a nation.
2)How do we determine when victory has been achieved?” There is no victory, so we declare we are done and leave them to Heaven.
3)What is Victory? How would we know?
4)Why don’t we just leave? We have a schedule to do just that. I wish we were leaving sooner, but the reality is we lost the day we set foot in there and there is no way around it. Apparently Obama is not a good socialist after all.
The answer to Michael’s #4 should be the first question asked before any country goes to war in another country. Anyone that remembers the folks turned away from the helicopters on the roof of the American Embassy in Vietnam as the US pulled out of that war should have insight into the answer. What do you think happened to those left behind? What will happen to the courageous Afghans that supported the US efforts? Alliances formed with villagers will be their certain death if we pull out. It’s a lot easier to start a war than to end one without a decisive victory and a new government in place. We need to continue with the drone strikes until the Afghans (with our help) can take control of all sections of their country.
Or we could send Suzie over there and leave her until al qaeda runs from the mountains waving white flags!
Michael, I would love to know the answer to those questions. Why are we STILL in Iraq and Afghanistan? Dwight Eisenhower warned of the “Military Industrial Complex”. We have to keep feeding it, regardless of the party in charge. Eisenhower also reminded us:
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
I have a feeling Ike would not recognize either major political party today, and he would no doubt be ashamed of both.
Sheesh. I miss Ike
Alexander the Great failed in Afghanistan, remind me again the definition of insanity?
you’re right sandi, he is an AWESOME MARXIST though, for those that love poverty and hunger vote for barry soetoro..the man with no past !!!
So that’s three leftwingers who are blaming Bush for 0bama doubling down in Afghanistan. Its also Bush’s fault 0bama has increased the deficit more than five trillion dollars. Is there NOTHING the liberal pukes won’t take personal responsibility for?
The only answer not leaving makes any sense is not getting the Afghans that have helped us killed. We are never going to change that Country, if you can call it a Country. Read a book called The Operators by Michael Hastings. Those people don’t want democracy all they want is to be left alone to grow their poppi. We should not be in the nation building business.
How much smaller can a government be if it is controlled by one or a small handful of people?
This is a silly question, isn’t it? If a government controls all aspects of people’s lives, it is big government by definition. It doesn’t matter if there is one dictator or a handful. Conservatives want a weaker central government where the people have more control. That’s why it’s impossible to have a conservative dictatorship. ALL dictatorships are leftwing.
Why don’t you just pack up and leave Casey? I can’t beleieve you get paid for this tripe. You must have gotten help from Obama and the Lib Times. Go sing your nursery rhymes somewhere else. This is an idiotic blog b/c of you.
Another Folly Beach lover. Been every year for the last six. Always a pleasure and if you haven’t done so, save a little bit of belly room for hot dog at Jack’s Cosmic Dogs on the Folly Beach road. It’s on my personal list of great hot dog places in America.
Guess no one was interested in my little feel good diversion, see #4, because we were too busy SHOUTING AT ONE ANOTHER!
If you want to blame Obama for getting us into Afghanistan, go right a ahead, Suzie. Nobody here takes you seriously, anyway.
If you want to blame Obama for getting us into Afghanistan, go right a ahead, Suzie. Nobody here takes you seriously, anyway.
Not ‘getting’ us into. “Keeping’ us into. And doubling down besides. Bush made him do that?
Alexander the Great failed in Afghanistan, remind me again the definition of insanity?
Gee, what happened to “We should get the terrorists where they are. Not Iraq”? Idiot Boy’s own idiots have turned against him.
We do Myrtle sometimes, but it’s from a decidedly different perspective than from the sardines who pack 65th through 80th. Also, Myrtle Beach HS has a great rubberized track open to the public. The tourists built that, btw.
Who is Steve Nelson?
Ancient Bobcat, does someone hold a gun to your head and force you to read this blog? Find something better to do with your time.
ECONOMY…..ECONOMY…..ECONOMY….IT IS IN THE TANKS…Since 2008…Gas prices up by more than 110%…Groceries up 60-70 % ….42 straight months of unemplyoment above 8%…24 MILLION unemployed….$16 TRILLION Debt///45 MILLION on FOOD Stamps…a record 46 MILLION Americans in poverty……..ALL BY DESIGN.
Re: Comment by steve nelson — August 17, 2012 @ 10:42 pm
Yes, Fascism is autocratic government control over privately held companies — but it is much more:
http://tinyurl.com/6hoy9s
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Definition of FASCISM:
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
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Tell us about how the current administration set GM’s production methods, quotas, resource allocations, etc
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Also see: http://tinyurl.com/cajdd5e
So, (with apologizes to Dr. Lawrence Britt) tell us about which party is more caricatured by:
• its patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia.
• its disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
• its identification of Enemies/Scapegoats and the need to eliminate racial , ethnic or religious minorities, other political parties, etc.
• the supremacy of the Military
• rampant Sexism
• its desire for control of the media & censorship
• the intertwining of Religion and Government
• the prevalence of industrial and business aristocracy putting the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
• the suppression of organized labor
• the disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
• the obsession with Crime and Punishment
• the Rampant Cronyism, and
• the promotion of and reliance on fraudulent election process.
My favorite Woody Guthrie song is This Land is Your Land. The first link below is to the story behind the song from NPR. The second link is to a version of the song by Woody. It’s minus a few of the verses mentioned in the article. Woody was a unique American.
http://www.npr.org/2000/07/03/1076186/this-land-is-your-land
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI5IRuS2aE
Don’t forget SuzieQ, Pres. Obama ordered the operation that actually killed Osama bin Laden. That was the objective for entry into Afghanistan in the first place. We will not succeed at turning Afghanistan into a democracy. The tens of thousands of years of culture & history simply will not permit it. We should not spend another dollar nor should we spend the life of another member of our military trying to accomplish that.
The involvement was so heavily Saudi in the 9/11 attacks that we should have rolled up Saudi Arabia. It didn’t happen then. It won’t happen now.
Wow, Ancient Bobcat: you sound like someone lifted your stub tail and laid on the turpentine.
Two ways we could have changed Afghanistan; wall it off and carpet bomb it with either McDonalds happy meals or carpet bomb it back to the stone age with 1000lbs bombs. The happy meal idea would have been a whole lot cheaper and produced a desirable outcome but shrub forgot to ask me before he began his vanity crusades.
Re: Comment by Blue John — August 18, 2012 @ 1:00 am
Good post.
However, I disagree as to priority. IMHO, he first question asked before any country goes to war in another country is “What is Victory?”
Then ask and answerer:
• what the corollaries and repercussions of engaging or not engaging (and/or of that “Victory” itself)?
• do we have resolve to devote the resources (including human) needed to finish the job?
• if plan “A” fails what are plans “B”, “C”, “D”, … ?
• etc.
IMHO, never, ever, assume that “all we need to do is “A” and there will be a resounding victory.
Suzie@28
Just because you can’t read and choose to interpret what you do see incorrectly doesn’t make it true. Bush and the neocons got us into Afghanistan and started the nation building process. Obama has made a mistake in listening to the Generala and the military and not getting us out sooner. On the other hand, if he had done so, then you Rwers would have been blasting him for being anti military and called him weak. So he was damned either way.
MichaelH@29
On this issue you and I are in complete agreement. Pouring more money, men and resources into the sinkhole of Afghanistan makes no sense. I understand that it is difficult logistically to get out in a month. But six months from now we should be out of that rathole.
Ancient Bobcat seemjs to have a serious case of blog envy. I have a suggestion for him. Just don’t bother to visit it or read it. That way you won’t become so agitated and won’t need a paperbag rto stop yourself from hyperventilating.
When the Russians invaded Afghanistan in the late 1970′s, the US saw it as an opportunity to make that act of aggression their Vietnam. We provided massive amounts of money to arm the Afghans and even provide training for Mujahideen to counter the Russians. This venture, though not solely as a result of our aid, was successful. But as soon as the Russians withdrew, our aid stopped. The various tribes within the Mujahideen, who were united in their fight against the Russians, returned to fighting one another but now with the vast quantities of weapons we had supplied them. Out of this post Russian invasion period of intense conflict, the Taliban was born. As we know, the Taliban was instrumental in providing quid pro quo to Bin Laden and Al Qaeda who killed almost 3 million of our citizens. It is this administration’s hope that by our prolonged stay in Afghanistan during which we are providing training for the Afghan military and aid to improve the country’s infrastructure, we will not be deserting this country once again after we got what we wanted, got the hell out and left them high and dry. Will it work? We’ll find out. But we do know what did not work before and what the consequences were. It’s history, very recent history, and I think Obama is trying to not repeat what we have done so many times before in the short existence of this country’s foreign policy.
Yes, you would no doubt love to forget the Bush NeoCons who put us into Iraq and Afghanistan with no plan for success, withdrawal or winning in any achievable sense, who kicked BOTH cans AND the crashed economy down the road and went on their merry delusional way.
I am sure some generals told Obama they could win this war. That is what generals do. He should not have listened and he should still not listen. We will be in danger from that region for the next generation, maybe even three and that is solely and squarely on Bush. Obama is the one with the plan to leave. Obama is the one who got Bin Laden. (Like Reagan is the one who “ended the Cold War”) Obama is the one who has done more to repair international relations AND go after the bad guys than Bush/Cheney ever did. You do not have to admit the truth, it simply is.
Romney/Ryan is a painful joke in the foreign relations department. He should have picked Portman. He lost this election himself. All of America is not hate-filled liars like Suzie.
“… for those that love poverty and hunger vote for barry soetoro…”
“… if you like hunger and poverty barry’s you boy !!”
pammalapdog, aren’t you the one whose mother was poor enough to qualify for free meds from the pharmaceutical companies?
28. Suzie – Perhaps should pull his thread from three years ago when you were saying Obama was so terrible for not putting even more troops into Afghanistan. He wasn’t moving fast enough or far enough to suit you. What a hypocrite.
Folly Beach favorite place in this country I have been. Perfect trip. We will be regulars. Started reading the Bill Noel novels.
“We do Myrtle sometimes…”
Who’s Myrtle?
“pammalapdog, aren’t you the one whose mother was poor enough to qualify for free meds from the pharmaceutical companies?”
Thorazine, Stelazine, Amobarbital?
And we wonder why the “drive by media” is going bankrupt and NO ONE watches MSNBC,ABC,CBS,CNN or reads the NYT.
Just PUPPETS for the “BANANA REPUBLIC..
ALL WILL change soon.
You on the left thing 2010 WAS A WIPEOUT….guess over 2000 LIBS NATIONWIDE were put OUT OF A JOB…wait til 11/6/2012.
I welcome BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA to the UNEMPLOYMENT LINE…oh HE GOT A GOVMINT PENSION…in ALL honesty…THERE should be A MERIT qualification FOR THESE JOBS…NOT TENURE…performance based.
The Blog
Mark Halperin: ‘The Media Is Very Susceptible to Doing What the Obama Campaign Wants’
11:57 AM, Aug 18, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER
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On the Today Show this morning, Mark Halperin said the media basically does what the Obama campaign wants them to do:
“The Obama folks clearly know they’ve found some traction on this tax return issue with Romney,” said NBC’s Lester Holt. “And then of course late in the week comes this challenge–’give us a little more and we won’t complain anymore.’ Has this issue come to the point it’s jumped the shark?”
“I think the press still likes this story a lot, the media is very susceptible to doing what the Obama campaign wants, which is to focus on this,” said Halperin.
Susie and Rhonda…love Y’all!!!
DaveHicks, I agree wiht you. If you can’t describe up front what a “win” looks like, the enterprise needs to be rethought. Because how do you work to achieve something you won’t even recognize?
MichaelH, glad your trip was good. There’s something relaxing about going to the same beach every year.
Really, stevenelson…if no one’s watching it, what does it matter what they do?
Steve Nelson, pammala, suzie, matt, Frank, Chuck, Terps and some others are going to be in for a rude disappointment come November.
Re: Comment by Contrasuzie — August 18, 2012 @ 2:35 pm
More importantly, is she a consenting adult?
Dan,
Sounds like ancient bobcat is standing his ground in your yard.
Let’s see, Mark Halperin, super republican wanker is all in a tizzy about the “poisonous” atmosphere in the presidential campaign.
What bunk.
“Yes, it’s ugly out there. But is this worse than four years ago, when Obama was accused by the GOP vice presidential nominee of “palling around with terrorists”? Or eight years ago, when Democratic nominee John Kerry was accused of falsifying his Vietnam War record?”
“What’s different this time is that the Democrats are employing the same harsh tactics that have been used against them for so long, with so much success. They have ceased their traditional response of assuming the fetal position when attacked, and Obama’s campaign is giving as good as it gets — and then some.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dana-milbank-the-ugly-presidential-campaign/2012/08/15/22b72006-e726-11e1-8f62-58260e3940a0_story.html
Bullies rarely like it when someone fights back…republicans need to get over it, this “aint” 2004 nor 2008 where republicans could lie with impunity, while Dems played by the rules…
ROMNEY/RYAN – THE HYPOCRISY CAMPAIGN
#64
“Sounds like ancient bobcat is standing his ground in your yard.”
Comment by Alfred — August 18, 2012 @ 6:53 pm
Gotta’ be rabies; Don’t take the chance he’ll bite the neighborhood kids and put him down already!
“Yes, it’s ugly out there. But is this worse than four years ago..
That’s an effing joke. Sarah Palin was savaged by the Democrats and their willing accomplices in the MSM like no other candidate in history. They virtually invaded her hometown, camped around her house, tied her up with frivolous lawsuits, all the while ignoring Idiot Boy’s associations with racists, communists, and domestic terrorists, never questioning his grades or past long term-drug addiction. Nor did they question his bumbling bloviating sidekick Joe the Clown.
28. Suzie – Perhaps should pull his thread from three years ago when you were saying Obama was so terrible for not putting even more troops into Afghanistan. He wasn’t moving fast enough or far enough to suit you. What a hypocrite.
I wasn’t in here three years ago, moron. But I did object the way he had no plan for Afghanistan like Bush had for Iraq. He dithered for months, then sent the troops in that quagmire with no objectives, no plan for victory whatsoever. Now that we’re even further disgraced, he says he’s pulling troops out. That is if the polls tell him to. But then there is leftwing nut base to please…
GWB was decisive and won his war despite taking a continuous barrage of naysaying and obstruction for the Democrats and from the press. Idiot Boy has had almost NO criticism from the media despite the fact that he’s butchered more Americans than Bush while having no clue or desire to win.
” Sarah Palin was savaged by the Democrats and their willing accomplices in the MSM like no other candidate in history.”
Poor Sarah. She is wealthier now than ever before, which means . . . SHE HAS TO PAY MORE IN TAXES!!!!!
Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo. She’s crying all the way to the bank.
Susie and Rhonda…love Y’all!!!
Back at ya, Steve Nelson:).
Yep. This media is every bit as corrupt as Tass and Pravda.
Wow, did you see the way suzie savaged Michale for getting on the blog while on vacation. Oh, wait, she didn’t. OK, suzie, I’ve declared that you can’t use that idiotic routine any more.
Wow. Woody Guthrie has something in common with 0bama. Both communists.
Unhinged. You conservatives are simply unhinged morons. THAT is another reason you will lose in November. No one wants people like you running anything.
Contrasuzie:
“Who’s Myrtle?”
More importantly, where’s Myrtle and is there anyone under 70 with the name Myrtle?
Uh oh, Michael, now you’re in trouble with suzie for getting on the blog during vacation.
No, I just think it’s weird when somebody like Kristen makes posts morning, noon, and night while away “on vacation”. I can understand someone coming on once or twice while checking their mail or whatever. Personally, I’m too busy and involved with the family and friends I vacation with to come on here. But that’s just me. Gdad wouldn’t understand that.
yeah that sandi is so tolerant…lol that’s the libbie com way, my way or nothing…..scared of Romney/Ryan are ya ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
john why do you make fun of people’s names…your’s could be a synonym for a toilet..
gdud you are not good enough to discuss my mother
#50 Nobody’s listening but I reread my post and of course meant to say 3,000 citizens, not 3 million. My bad.
#75 Of course that’s more lying from you, toots. You commented on Kristen’s first post after you learned she was on vake. You simply didn’t comment on Michael’s because he’s conservative. We all know that.
BTW, Michael commented a lot more than once or twice.
Great analysis Scott, I certainly don’t know what the solution is. The bad thing I don’t think anyone else does either
As to the subject at hand….sounds like the key of G and downright gospel. Woody sounded like he was getting into it, lively cut. I think some folks think folk music is boring. I wished they were on the side of the Hudson River last week listening so many young people sing their hearts out.
And yea I like that song This Land is Your Land too. Wherever I go the school kids know that tune. Pete Seeger still sings that tune as one of his last songs of his set. I saw him about two weeks ago dancing across the parking lot at the Sloop Club, 93 and still kicking.
About what Woody is trying to say, is in the long run you fascist are not going to win. In his time many were thinking back then that fascism was the future. My own Mother use to listen to Oswald Mosley speak in England because he was a good speaker, she said. Woody was bucking the system back then and yea if he was alive now he would be railing against what is going on. The great thing about music is even though you’re out numbered you can still sing and know you are not alone and it can be down right fun.
As to who is or was red or not ..who cares? Maybe it’s just a free county if you agree.
Scott & Michael H.,
Afghanistan is and has been for more than a 1000 years a tribal society(s). Approximately 40% of Afghans are Pashtuns & the major tribes within the group are the Durrani & the Ghilzai tribes. The next largest group of Afghanis are Tajiks which make up about a quarter of the population. The Hazaras are next at 18%. Uzbeks are next at 6.3%. Then come the Turkmen at 2.5% and the Qizilbash at 1%. 6.9% are other minor tribal groupings.
Among the Pashtuns are the Durrani, Ghilzai, Wardak, Jaji, Tani, Jadran, Mangal, Khugiani, Safi, Mohamand, and Shinwari. That’s just the Pashtuns. These tribal groups also extend into Pakistan. The Pashtun have, for the most part, provided central leadership for Afghanistan since the 18th century.
I’m leaving a lot out, because I don’t want to teach a doctoral seminar on this blog, nor do I think anyone is interested in that. Nonetheless, for approximately 3 decades Communism, civil war, and Islamic fundamentalism have been attacking Afghan tribal society. The tribal structure is as weak as it has been in centuries. A calculated policy started during the Obama administration, rightly or wrongly, is built on the idea that turning to some of the tribes may be their best hope against the resurgent Taliban. Pres. Karzai, who was hailed as a potential savior by the west, has been, in my view, a miserable failure and as corrupt as can be. In 2010 leaders of the Shinwari tribe in eastern Afghanistan agreed to work with the government and forbid cooperation with the Taliban.
American efforts in the 1970s created thousands of mujahadeen to attack the Russians. These fighters viewed the Muslim clerics & mujahadeen commanders as their leaders instead of the tribal leaders. Once the Russians & the Americans left the mujahadeen commanders turned on each other and the Taliban emerged as a force that at least provided some semblance of law & order.
Now we are turning again to the tribal leaders in an attempt to put Humpt Dumpty back together again. I’m not confident it will work, but no one is asking me for advice nor should they. As a historian I have spent a lot of time studying the middle and far east. They are parts of the world that are culturally, religiously and in many other ways very different from the U.S. I really don’t think we, the U.S.A., understand them very well and our efforts there, led by both Democrat & Republican administrations, reflect that lack of understanding.
Those are just few of my thoughts on the matter.
Dan,
A couple questions and BE HONEST….
1 Does the Roanoke Times have direct contact with Barrack Hussein Obama campaign or White House when you write your articles or EDITORIAL.
2.Is the ROANOKE TIMES receiving a “stipend” from the OBAMA CAMPAIGN.
3 Do you “Roanoke Times” participate in any CONFERENCE CALLS WITH either BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA’s White House or BHO’S CAMPAIGN HQ in Chicago.
4 Are ALL of your EDITORIALS a product of YOUR INDEPENDENT thinking or talking points…(have heard the montages…before…every network has the same KEY WORD…EX…GRAVITAS…BIRTHERS…RACIST..whatever.)
5 Do you have some PERSONAL ISSUES with SUSIE…from what I have read she seems quite reasonable…I AM PAYING ATTENTION TO HER.
6 If THIS is a BLOG…WHY all of the anger and rude comments..
#82 Steve N, you can’t rally be serious in questions 1-3. If you ARE serious, then you’ve just demonstrated your massive doltishness to the whole blog.
Steve Nelson, some 100 percent honest and true and direct answers:
1. No
2. No.
3. No.
4. All of my columns are mine. They are the result of my thinking and/or reporting. (Some are reported, some not). Nobody tells me what to write. Nobody orders me to write about certain topics. But, I am informed by a variety of sources. Just because you heard the word gravitas on MSNBC and then read it on my blog means NOTHING. Unlike you (apparently), I don’t watch MSNBC. I don’t have cable or dish whatever. But it indeed is possible they are taking their cues from me, and borrowing my brilliance, and that has gotten you confused.
5. No. Suzie is not a person. She’s an anonymous blog identity.
6. I don’t know how to answer. Sometimes people send me emails or letters that are rude and angry. Example: “THE “PEOPLE” GET IT…even after BIDEN RACIAL comment…”gonna PUT Y’ALL IN CHAINS”… (nothing out of CONTEXT just like OBAMA in ROANOKE on 7/13…))
A DIRECT REFERENCE to the LAST CAPITAL OF THE CONFEDERACY…AND SLAVERY….’A GANGSTA tactic by a FASCIST ORGANIZER…HE AIN’T GOT NO game…JUST trying to be like PREZZIE! Y’all bunch of HYPROCRITES…just a little slang!!”
Sound familar?
One..ok several… more question..My “teleprompter is OUT OF SERVICE….Since Obama is losing his “MOJO”
THE “ENLIGHTENED MEDIA” set him up for failure.
Why are all of the “LIBERAL” bringing up stuff like.
1 OLD WHITE SENIORS hate a black president…(correct me if I am wrong but Barry Soreto’s mom was white)MSNBC UP WITH CHRIS HAYES..Reverend AL SHARPTON, (remind me never to attend any of his services..by the way does he have a church…must be Rockefeller Center) Rachel MADDOW…ED Shultz..(does remind me of SGT Shultz on tv show…
2 JOE (YOU KNOW JOE..just Joe) talking about “YALL BACK IN CHAINS” in DANVILLE VA (former capital of the Confederate States of America)and A DISGUSTING GUTTER COMMENT…
3 ROANOKE VA….7/13 “YOU DID NOT BUILD THAT”..nothing out of CONTEXT on that speech…watched it LIVE on WDBJ7…(THOUGHT THAT WAS MUSSOLINI in FASCIST ITALY SPEAKING)….don’t get upset liberals..
LAST QUESTION.
If BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA the most “cerebral, most intelligent, most articulate MAN ever to HOLD the office OF PRESIDENT..Then why DOES it take 3 WEEK…AND EVEN LONGER lately TO TELL THE UNINFORMED CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES what he is SAYING….
dumb it down brother…..we ain’t getting HIS compassion.
Seriously Dan, anything that does not agree with steve nelson is not “honest”. The man telegraphs in neon!
His anger, insults and rude comments are fine, any rebuttal with same is unacceptable. How very right wing of him.
Somewhere a Food Lion is out of tinfoil.
Sandi@73 “Unhinged. You conservatives are simply unhinged morons.”
LOL…pot calling the kettle black.
Personally, I have the dog on double rations so that BO will have plenty
to step in when he returns to Roanoke. Maybe he can bring Joe and they
can wallow. I’ll also be able to say I didn’t do do that; the dog did.
BTW…the dog is not in chains nor will ever be. Can’t say if he knows
what state he is in or what century he lives in. I will not entertain
any thoughts of allowing him to run with BO as VP candidate since Hillary
has declined and we know, by his own admission, the BO eats dogs. Still
wonder why we don’t take him at his word that he in ineligible for office;
he certainly has proved by his actions and inactions that he is inept, unqualified and dishonest. In November; he’ll be a loser. Later, an inmate.
Steve Nelson, you didn’t ask any questions in your second post. All you did was shout dumb RWer talking points.
steve nelson,
I only have one question of you. Are you and SuzieQ married to each other? Should the answer be yes, that explains your comments.
Wow Leon. “Inmate”? The delusion is thick on the ground these days.
What on earth are you people going to do when Obama wins. I hope your many guns are safely put away.
No Leon, I am not the least unhinged. I am painfully honest. Your entire post proved my point. Thanks.
Dan
NOT sure Suzie is anonymous at all. If so she is probably the most “ATTRACTIVE ANONYMOUS I have seen on the net..God bless modern technology!
There is not anger in my emails. Should have not posted comments in uppercase letters.
Dan in one of your articles “OBAMA SABOTEUR” is without any merit and behooves me why you would title this article…
Obama Saboteurs..
3k people standing IN LINE for 8 hours to get a ticket. Camping out for day to hear THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA speak to the PEOPLE of SW VIRGINIA.
PRESIDENT BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA told THE AMERICAN PEOPLE….” YOU DID NOT BUILD THAT!!”
JOE BIDEN..VICE PRESIDENT of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA….”REPUBLICANS” want to PUT “Y’all IN CHAINS” in DANVILLE former Capitol of the CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA…
NO ANGER…just “WORDS MEAN JUST WORDS” ..
WORDS MEAN WORDS was a QUOTE FROM PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.
I take PRESIDENT BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA for HIS WORDS…
(do the words convey A THOUGHT…AN IDEAL…A VISION…or just blabber.
Not why were are talking about AFGHANISTAN or GEORGE W BUSH in 2012.
THIS IS ABOUT PRESIDENT BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN.
To the anti neocons…or whatever..
I worked in WORLD TRADE CENTER 2 back in the late nineties. 3 years after the FIRST WORLD TRADE BOMBING…
My first HOURS in working in WTC2 WERE EVACUATION DRILLS and reading a manual.
TWO HOURS HOW TO AVOID DYING if SOMEONE WANTED TO SEND A PLANE IN THE BUILDING…
(look it UP…I WAS TOLD back in 1996 THAT AN AIRPLANE WILL FLY into these buildings.
THE GUY’S name is Sescarla..(do not remember spelling..DECORATED UK/US MILITARY guy) HEAD of Security for DEAN WITTER..AND on THE HISTORY CHANNEL. I lost a LOT OF FRIENDS…
We should have TAKEN out OSAMA BIN LADEN back in the nineties..
RE: Afghanistan. Our continued presence might also be attributed to WMD’s in a politically-unstable Pakistan. The presidents lofty goal of complete withdrawal by 2014 could easily be reversed should Romney buy his way into the White House.
Ron,
My question is,in your opinion can we change anything? Not ever country wants or needs democracy. If not how do we decide we win and go home? Or do we just stay there forever. As very limited student of The Middle East I agree we as American ans understand very little about their culture. For what its worth i don’t think we will ever change them and in one sense why should we.
Steve Nelson, If you’d said this morning when it was raining, “it’s raining”, you’d have been accurate, and despite the fact that many others also said the same identical thing word for word, there’d be no conspiracy to set a narrative with talking points. If you’d said “il pleut”, even if you spoke not one other word of French, you’d have said “it’s raining” exactly as well as any native French speaker, and still there’d be no conspiracy, only accurate reporting as long as it was, in fact, raining.
That you wonder if there’s ongoing direct contact between any particular party and the RT really shows a skewed vision of the media landscape. In fact, there has been well documented journalism showing that the closest thing to what you suggest occurs is happening at Fox News, where Roger Ailes maintains a close two way contact with conservative operatives like the Wednesday Meeting group of Grover Norquist, and does its’ best to keep conservative media strategy consistent and on message.
Ever since Micheal Deaver’s hugely effective White House PR operation in the 1980′s, and with the proliferation of think tanks and other ideological/interest group support networks over the past 30-40 years, moderate, progressive, and liberal groups have been playing catch up, often by copying the RW templates. In some areas, like talk radio, a variety of factors have kept the RW approach ahead of it’s rivals. In others, like voter registration and minority outreach, the RW has lagged its’ rivals, partly due to factors inherent in RW philosophy. Often, outright falsehoods and denial of the truth are sanctioned by media players that align themselves with an ideological pole, and while this isn’t exclusive to either side of the spectrum, until some recent catching up by the LW it has appeared to be been more commonly used by the RW apparatus, merely as a function of it’s greater size and superior cohesion.
The net effect has been a diminishment of ready agreement on objective facts in the American polity, aided by an increasingly angry, selectively informed, and less well educated voter base. Your posts certainly show the anger, but I hope you’ll start to be a bit more informed about today’s American reality and how it has transpired.
Here are a few examples of verifiable truths to measure against your existing beliefs, as a means to gauge the accuracy of your own perceptions, but there are many more:
Most print media have been suffering from the rise of the Internet and the decreasing literacy of the audience. Daily newspapers still do a majority of the enterprise reporting in the US, particularly at the local level, and no good replacement has yet emerged for that function.
Millions of Americans supported McCain/Palin in 2008, it was easy to find them everywhere, and yet they were outvoted by the millions more of legal, proper voters who supported Obama/Biden.
Many of those who complain the loudest about Obama’s deficit spending were utterly silent during the swing from surplus to trillions in debt created during the years of GOP control of all three branches if the federal government (2001-2006), suggesting that there is as strong a partisan element to their complaints as a purely practical one.
Those who created the definitions of political and economic concepts like communism, socialism, fascism, capitalism, and oligarchy did so because each is a separate concept, and they are not interchangeable terms.
More domestically spent taxpayer dollars go into the pockets of white Americans than darkskinned ones. There is also, as a legacy of America’s history, a wide and persistent gap in household wealth among racial groups. This suggests that those who complain about minorities receiving taxpayer assistance are motivated partly by resentments unrelated to economic realities. Add in subsidies, tax policies and infrastructure spending, and the working and lower middle classes of all races receive a vastly lower cost/benefit ratio for their taxes paid than the upper-middle class and outright rich in America.
Start with these, and whichever makes your pulse quicken with doubt you’ll know is an area for investigating your assumptions. Or, you can just stay angry, listen to those sources that confirm what you already tend to think, assume that that those echoing sources give complete and unbiased information, assume that any information contrary to those sources is automatically wrong, and yell on blogs in ALL CAPS!!! It’s easier than lifelong learning, you’ll have plenty of company and receive lots of reassurance that you’re right about everything. If you don’t believe me, listen to Rush Limbaugh, and you’ll repeatedly hear him tell listeners that, regardless of the issue, “It’s simple”!
But since it’s seldom really simple, make that the one test of a sources’ credibility, and you’ll be a long way to avoiding a skewed vision of the media landscape.
Michael H,
A quick answer is no, I don’t think we can change the Afghan society or culture very much. We are there still, in my view, to keep an eye on Pakistan and hunt down what remains of al Quaida there and in Pakistan. There are no easy answers there.
#93 Umm, steve, fellow, stop panting after that photo of “suzie.” It’s not “suzie.” It’s a photo she downloading off the interwebs.
Hey, troll suzie, this steve nelson guy’s getting all creepy about you.
Dan, you are attracting some seriously damaged people to the blog now.
#93 steve nelson,
You poor ignorant fool. That’s not really suz’s picture. In real life suz really looks like Stevie Nicks but with an extra 75lbs with very carefully dyed dark roots beneath that resplendent cascade of flowing blond locks that got all teased when she tried to use her curler in the shower and then accidentally spilled an extra quart of bleach on it. Ol’ gurls got a tramp stamp on her that’s so big you could put a full sized map of the Old Dominion on it including the secondary roads and not have to strain to read it from ten paces.
She’s good looking in the same sense that you’d admire a Clydesdales ability to pull a plow through frozen tundra due to her immense haunches.
WArren
Nice intelligent post . Too bad steve n asked dan to dumb it down so he could understand it so i’m confident he Did’nt comprehemd a single word of it.
I’m sensing Steve C has a mommy-complex. Likely he had to compete for mother’s attention with a smarter nimbler family member. Then when that member, the family dog, died, his mom still sat him out on the stoop rain or shine and still fed him scraps from the table. As an adult, he’s been similarly rebuffed, disrespected and laughed at by women.
So Steve C. has tried to get back at women ever since. And since he’s never been in a real relationship, he spends much of the extra time his MLM business affords him trying in vain to match insults with women who routinely embarrass him on this blog.
NOT sure Suzie is anonymous at all. If so she is probably the most “ATTRACTIVE ANONYMOUS I have seen on the net..God bless modern technology!
Thank you Steve Nelson
I think the funniest thing ever was when I was using Sandra Dee’s pic as my avatar and Steve C spent three paragraphs insulting “my” looks. Then someone had to tell him the image he was insulting was none other than a Hollywood icon and renowned beauty Sandra Dee.
Even the libs got a good laugh over that one.
yes gdud, you’re one of them
“he spends much of the extra time his MLM business affords him trying in vain to match insults with women who routinely embarrass him on this blog.”
Who said you’re a woman?
#103 So, let’s see, suzie is thanking Steve N. for complimenting her picture of another woman? You can’t make this stupidity up.
#105 Yawn. How predictable.
#103 And suzie’s also enjoying Steve N drooling all over her picture of another woman. Very, very creepy.
Re: Comment by Ron May — August 19, 2012 @ 3:26 pm
Outstanding summary.
Re: Comment by steve nelson — August 19, 2012 @ 6:51 pm
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Number six about all “of the anger and rude comments” should not be addressed to Dan, IMHO. As much as I disagree with him on some issues, I have never seen him demonstrate anger and can’t remember a rude comment from Dan.
If you want an answer addresses that question to old Rants & Raves (w/ lies) et al.
BTW, you might add your insight, also — as shouting is typically considered rude and ALL CAPS on a blog is considered shouting. So, why do you shout?
Re: Comment by Warren — August 19, 2012 @ 9:35 pm
Outstanding.
Some of us don’t have any reason to know who Sandra Dee is, other than getting a mention in a song from Grease.
“Look at me I’m Sandra Dee…lousy with virginity…”
Of course, Grease takes place in the 50s. Lots of us weren’t born yet.
Screwzie using another, much younger, girl’s photo is indeed creepy. I think I found one that’s a bit closer to reality, though.
Careful Contra. Using that stolen pic of the cheerleader, you’re gonna get Steve Nelson’s motor running.
Ron,
If we are never going to really effect change or “win” whatever that means then the trick is to figure out when to cut bait and leave. The challenge is protecting the people that have helped us, unlike in Vietnam and the first Iraq war. When we left both a lot of innocent people died. Maybe we could keep an eye on Pakistan and protect folks with Special Forces and the CIA. It seems we have gotten ourselves into a huge quagmire, again.
Still waiting for Amanda’s legal team to come get me. So many of idle buttwipes said you had contacted her.
Y’ALL ARE cracking me up…over SUSIE..and AGAIN…
DAN..you are getting sidetracked but typical when Liberals LOSE THE DEBATE OF IDEAS…NAME CALLING.
I do not know Susie…but impressed she is getting under your skin.
Susie, CHIVALRY IS NOT DEAD…
ONLY reason I am on this blog WAS to CHALLENGE the Fascist regime of BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and the COMPLICITY OF THE DRIVE BY MEDIA.
Dan had the GUTS to publish my email which had gone to the EDITORS of the ROANOKE TIMES (Tom Denton..former editor cussed me out a few years ago), Washington Post Editors Eugene Robinson, EJ DIONNE, Jonathan Capehart…etc…
None of them had the guts to publish but THANK Dan…he stepped up.
The most glaring thing about this blog (my first time) is WHEN LIBERALS lose the DEBATE they REVERT to NAME CALLING, SLANDER and bovine scatology.
Surprised HOW MEAN SPIRITED (something only reserved to lib speak) everyone is to YOU…
My instinct tells me YOU are a gorgeous women and none of these people complaining have a chance to even get a hello.
Thanks for YOUR support and MEET ME at PAUL RYAN’S rally in ROANOKE…
WOULD RATHER see SOMEONE INSPIRING then some college girl who can not GET FREE BIRTH CONTROL…(
When I was in college THE MEN KNEW THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES and THE WOMEN were JUST as RESPONSIBLE…
BUDGET BALANCING IDEA…
ELIMINATE THE INCREASED SPENDING IN EDUCATION ..2012 and A WOMAN can not figure out how to NOT HAVE A KID…
And in 2012…PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE PROPER ID to VOTE…latest scandal..93 year old woman does not have an ID….WHAT THE HELL TOOK so long!
Michael H,
A grad school classmate of mine was Vietnamese and returned to South Vietnam in 1973 after finishing. Many of us tried desparately to get him to stay in the U.S. He refused and returned. When the U.S. left in 1975 he & his family were among those left behind. His family spent 5 years in a “re-education camp” and nearly paid with there lives. They all turned up in a refuge camp in Cambodia that was supported by organizations funded by the One Great Hour of Sharing. They spent the better part of a year there before relocating to Australia where he taught at a university there until he retired a few years ago. He and I correspond a couple of times a year. We don’t have a good history of finishing what we start unfortunately.
Aw, Steve Nelson has a crush on Suzie, who’s most likely a man using Amanda Pflugrad’s mug as her avatar on here. Isn’t that sweet?
Steve Nelson you seem to be “CAPS” impaired…the cure, turn off your CAPS key and maybe some people will read what you post – otherwise it appears to be just rude “shouting”…
stevenelson, do you honestly believe that those newspaper editors didn’t publish your semi-literate swill because they disagree with your politics? Really.
“ELIMINATE THE INCREASED SPENDING IN EDUCATION ..2012 and A WOMAN can not figure out how to NOT HAVE A KID…”
You kick out nonsensical gems like this and can’t figure out why the Washington Post isn’t slapping your work on their editorial page?
#120 And suzie thanked steve for complimenting her for using Amanda’s pic. Truly creepy.