Louisiana launches program with public vouchers for private schools
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Virginia yet hasn’t dipped its toes into direct public funding of private religious schools, although the General Assembly this year approved a back-door version of that. It passed a law allowing tax credits to individuals and businesses who contribute to private-school scholarship funds.
That means people and companies can pay at least some of their taxes to religious schools if they choose to, rather than to the state.
But the commonwealth may one reach the conservative holy grail of taxpayer-paid-for vouchers for private schools. A Louisiana program now underway does just that, and it’s creating a bit of a kerfuffle in the Pelican state.
This year, 121 private schools applied for vouchers worth up to $8,500 per student. The state approved all but two schools and 99 percent of the approved schools are religious ones. About 5,600 students will be attending them.
The problem seems with state Schools Superintendent John White. He hasn’t released to the public state documents that detail how the 119 approved schools were vetted. The Associated Press asked for those documents more than 10 weeks ago. One of White’s underlings said the request was refused to avoid “ridicule or criticism.” Now White says he will release them, in September after schools have opened.
But the ridicule and critcism already has begun. And some of those schools sound like doozies. From columnist James Gill, at The Times-Picayune:
This coming year the state has allocated about 80 slots to a small New Orleans school run by Leonard Lucas, a former one-term state legislator who now styles himself “prophet” and “apostle.” When Lucas ran for City Council a few years back, he issued press releases bespeaking an indifference to grammar that ill becomes an educator. The parents who send kids to school such as his may wish they had left them where they were.
Some of the schools teach creationism. Some use textbooks from publisher A Beka, which put out a 10th grade biology text titled “Biology: God’s Living Creation.” Other books teach evolution, to the extent that they “they present it as incorrect, contrary to Christianity and atheistic,” a science advocate told the Louisiana Advertiser.
Coming to Virginia soon? Let’s hope not.
August 24, 2012 - 6:00 AM
Indiana has already done this. In addition, students may leave one public school system and go to another public system that has, according to state data, better performing schools and take their state aid per pupil with them. The private and church related schools have been saved with public money. But we have separation of church and state don’t you know.
Isn’t Louisiana typically in the bottom 10% in school rankings already? Seems as though they are determined to continue that decades old tradition.
Here’s the issue I have with vouchers. You still have to have the income available in advance before you receive the voucher, correct? You still have to pay the bill, then the next April you get the tax credit. That in itself is exclusionary. No lower income, or even most middle income families can afford that.
I wonder if they are the same kind of doozies that run the “United Federation of Teachers” union in New York City. I agree there are less than legitimate schools out there however the doozies exist in the public schools as well as the private… I only ask you to consider whether all of the public education that is provided in this area meets your expectations?
I’m a little disturbed by Lousisanna’s handling of this but only because some of the religious schools have been given carte blanche to present creationism as science. It isn’t and never will be. It’s a religious idea, not scientific one.
However, in North Carolina, I am very interested to see exactly how the new Charter school scheme is working. In eastern NC, where my wife hails from, the publics schools have been abysmal. This is largely the result of integration and white flight to private academies. Despite the State’s best efforts many of the public schools were still bad, and to be honest, the private academies didn’t offer much either. Worse still, people with little income and who pay taxes were compelled to send the kids to private academies to get a half decent education, and I do mean half decent.
The State is wiping the slate clean. New charter schools seem to be siphoning off students from the academies and hold great promise for a real change.
I would have to say that I am in favor of Charter schools in areas of the country where there is long history of poor public education. I don’t think this is the case in the Roanoke valley, but it is in many places around the US. I might add that my view has come around to that of the President’s, and North Carolina is one States where his administration’s policies are getting a try. Something needed to happen for sure.
I guess Louisiana doesn’t count Islam as religion…or Muslim schools as “religious” schools. Religion = Christian in LA…
“Louisiana Rep. Valarie Hodges, R-Watson, is retracting her support for Gov. Bobby Jindal’s voucher program, after realizing the money could be applied to Muslim schools…
“Hodges initially supported the governor’s program because she mistakenly equated “religious” with “Christian,” according to the report. Jindal’s reform package allows state education funds to be used to send students to religious schools.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/06/valarie-hodges-lawmaker-retracts-support-for-bill_n_1655249.html
This is what you get when you put know-nothings in charge of the legislative process…ideology over common sense.
And awaaaaay we go – backwards!
crooked road:
Vouchers and tax credits are two different things. You don’t have to front the money with a voucher.
We must stand against this. The union public school machinery must not lose its vise grip on curriculum control. Their agenda of godlessness, man-made global warming condom distribution and It’s-All-The-White-Man’s Fault history cannot be compromised!
What is so wonderful about these is those electing to have their tax money set aside for vouchers and/or credits seem to be the ones getting the vouchers/credits. A backhanded way of paying private school tuition.
#3 Of course not. But with the publics there is at least some minimal level of accountability, kids aren’t learning stuff like Creationism is a scientific explanation of how we came to be, and public money isn’t supporting Christian indoctrination schools.
#8 Of course suzie returns from all-too-brief cooling-off period by injecting race into the discussion.
“What is so wonderful about these is those electing to have their tax money set aside for vouchers and/or credits seem to be the ones getting the vouchers/credits. A backhanded way of paying private school tuition.”
Indeed. I don’t know how the Virginia law allowing the credits is offered (it just went into effect). Supposedly it’s available for donations to scholarship funds that pay for low- and middle-income students to attend private schools. But I wouldn’t be surprised if, at some point in the future:
1) the eligibility is later broadened to include upper-income students under the argument that they’re currently being discriminated against;
2) at some point, some schools figure out a way to target “scholarships” toward the children of “donors” to a “scholarship fund” that in effect means taxpayers will get tax credit for their kid’s private school tuition. Then it will be a true end run around the Virginia constitution.
Cuccinelli already has ruled that the tax-credit scheme doesn’t violate the constitution!
Those minimum standards mean very little to a kid sitting at “Insert Name” county high school where teachers and administration have written off kids or are giving them answers for SOL testing… Of course this could never happen, except it did in Atlanta Georgia… http://www.walb.com/story/19343254/six-dougherty-teachers-suspended-in-cheating-scandal
My point is not that all public schools are bad because they are not, I have been very happy with the public education that I received and that my kids are now receiving. Your blanket statements that essentially all private school are indoctrination chambers is wrong and you should not make that…
If it could be done right, it could be a good thing, obviously, it is not going to be done right. Sending taxpayer money to “an Apostle and Prophet” does not pass the smell test for education being their priority.
I do find it funny that those who usually scream about money being “fungible” can find no fault with taxpayer money advancing religion (well as long as it is not Islam).
A friend shared the article below with me via Facebook. I think it was written by someone who lives in Chesterfield County, VA. I don’t agree with every thought expressed, but it sure outlines what, in my view, the basic problem with our public K-12 education is. It will be interesting to see if anyone on the blog reads it and responds intelligently.
http://www.villagenewsonline.com/node/8142
Can I ask a question here…that relates to the posts shrillary and I have made the past few days.
How many of you consider “evolution” as an undisputed fact?
“Can I ask a question here…that relates to the posts shrillary and I have made the past few days.
How many of you consider “evolution” as an undisputed fact?”
Oh boy, here we go folks. There are probably more nutball websites out there that claim evolution is BS than there are birther sites who claim Obama was born in Kenya. And it sounds like Sharon N has just discovered them.
Ron May,
I thought that was an excellent article and I wonder what you are disagreeing with.
There goes Dan, trying to anticipate my thought process and shut down any discussion as “lunatic” talk…..typical.
But, Dan, isn’t a “fact” something that can’t be disputed? If we are going to play the “my facts are undisputed, and your’s are bee ess” game..shouldn’t we at least lay ground rules as to what an “undisputed fact” IS?
For those of you who are horrified that Religious school might teach creationism…I have a little personal experience that indicates it’s the other way around….even religious schools HAVE to have Evolution in their curriculum and teach it…at LEAST as an alternate “theory”.
@18 Can I ask a question here…that relates to the posts shrillary and I have made the past few days.
How many of you consider “evolution” as an undisputed fact?
Comment by Sharon N. — August 24, 2012 @ 7:51 pm
Frankly the more I read some of the comments on Dan’s blog, the more I am sure not all in a particular hominid group have “evolved”…
Ron, that is an excellent commentary and not at all far from the mark. The thing about taxpayer dollars going to religious institutions that bothers me the most is the right winger line about “indoctrination”. How many times is that thrown at public education as an accusation? And yet, the very purpose of a religious institution is indoctrination, but that is fine by them. Odd huh?
The other thing is that the religious, private and home school nation cannot provide for all children so public schools will still have to exist and just removing children and their funding achieves NOTHING that improves public education. Lose/Lose IMO.
There was a least one lawmaker in Louisiana who was all ready to vote for private school vouchers until he learned that there was little the state could do, under the scheme, to prevent public money from going to private Islamic schools. What an outrage! He thought that taxpayer money was supposed to be spent only on Christian schools! So he voted against the bill, which passed anyway.
Since the goal is education of the children it follows that private schools and thus vouchers; are a slam dunk. Ron@17 idea is a start.
And to add to Leon’s point, public funding to private religious K-12 education merely follows in the tradition of federal government funding to private religious colleges and universities.
Hey Leon, do you know what entity receives more federal aid that any other in the state of Virginia?
It’s Liberty University. They’re getting $450 million A YEAR in taxpayer support. That’s how whacked things have gotten in this country. The right-wing is getting most of the taxpayer funded bennies BY FAR, and they’re screaming like stuck pigs about the comparative pittance that’s going to the poor.
It’s shameful, but they don’t realize that — because most of them are shameless. The ones who are are dumb.
The other thing is that the religious, private and home school nation cannot provide for all children so public schools will still have to exist and just removing children and their funding achieves NOTHING that improves public education. Lose/Lose IMO.
Comment by Sandi Saunders — August 24, 2012 @ 9:28 pm
Why can’t private schools provide for all children?
Dan@27 Liberty University is a very good school. Shame they get less than Solnydra did.
The right-wing is getting most of the taxpayer funded bennies BY FAR, and they’re screaming like stuck pigs about the comparative pittance that’s going to the poor.
Comment by Dan Casey — August 24, 2012 @ 11:46 pm
Approximately 46% of the population are receiving some type of benefit from the government. Proportionately; how many of these are left-wing
bennies recipients? My guess. . .the amount of right-wings bennies compared to all bennies amounts to a fart in windstorm.
“Approximately 46% of the population are receiving some type of benefit from the government. Proportionately; how many of these are left-wing
bennies recipients? My guess. . .the amount of right-wings bennies compared to all bennies amounts to a fart in windstorm.”
Leon, you and I both know that number counts people receiving unemployment benefits (for which they pay) and retirees on Social Security and Medicare. They paid in to that system for years, and now you’re tagging them as leeches.
Shame on you.
Frankly the more I read some of the comments on Dan’s blog, the more I am sure not all in a particular hominid group have “evolved”…
Comment by Shrillary — August 24, 2012 @ 9:15 pm
And the more I read ..the more I THANK GOD we haven’t.
“even religious schools HAVE to have Evolution in their curriculum and teach it…at LEAST as an alternate “theory”.”
SharonN
See that’s the problem, because “creationism” isn’t a theory in the scientific sense at all. I’m not going to waste any time trying to educate on the matter. If want to know more about how science views theories, you have plenty of resources to do so. Creationism is religious explanation, and not alternative scientific theory.
My guess. . .the amount of right-wings bennies compared to all bennies amounts to a fart in windstorm.
Yep, Leon. And they fail to mention the ‘right-wing’ has financed almost all these bennies. That’s why the “they didn’t do that” line is doubly ludicrous. We not only ‘did’ the business, we built the infrastructure as well. Conservatives basically did it all.
It’s Liberty University. They’re getting $450 million A YEAR in taxpayer support.
That’s a lie. Students are paying Liberty. It’s as ludicrous as saying the taxpayers are funding bingo halls and liquor stores because welfare recipients spend their money there.
Now if you want to argue students shouldn’t be getting taxpayer money and welfare queens shouldn’t be getting financed to play bingo, I’m right there with you.
Thought y’all may be interested in the salaries of the union bosses.
$493,000.00 for the President of the Teachers Union..(money well spent)
Good book coming called “Shadow Bosses”.
What I find interesting is the graduation rate in Roanoke City schools and lack to knowledge the current education system has produced..Ever watch Jay Leno or Watter’s World asking simple questions..like Why do we celebrate July 4th, Who was the 16th President, Why/who were we fighting on WW2 and my favorite..NAME THE COUNTRIES north and south of the United States.
Totally against sending tax dollars to Washington and have them allocated resource..Inefficient and it ain’t working..dumbing down kids.
But they sure can tell you who JZ or J LO are.
AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka – $293,750.
National Education Association President Dennis Van Roekel – $460,060
Service Employees International Union President Mary Kay Henry – $290,334.
American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees President Gerald McEntee – $512,489.
International Brotherhood of Teamsters President James P. Hoffa , Jr. – $372,489.
American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten – $493,859.
International Association of Fire Fighters President Harold Schaitberger – $323,811.
American Federation of Government Employees President John Gage – $198,690. (Gage retired this month)
United Food and Commercial Workers President Joseph Hansen – $361,124
Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/union-bosses/2012/08/24/click-top-union-leaders-salaries#ixzz24Yj4qiLp
#29 A very good school at what, Leon? And are you saying that Solyndra is getting more than $450 million PER YEAR, year after year?
I didn’t think so.
Steve Nelson@36
And your point is? These guys are the Preidents and chief ewxecutive officers of organizations involving hundresd pf thousands of members.
Compare those salaries to this paltry list:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/gallery/2011/dec/14/americas-top-10-highest-paid-ceos-2011
stevenelson, why do you hate the wealthy? This class warfare needs to stop.
In the 5 schools that we have adopted in La. I can say they all need a good paint job and look very much in short supply of good funds. All the oil that gets pumped out of that state from what I am told from folks down that way the taxes goes out of state. So the schools need money badly but do not get it. Even one school (Boothville Elementary) down in Buras (80 miles south of New Orleans) did not have a music program. We made sure they had a standup piano and a pile of instruments.
The point here is the public schools are very badly lacking in money. Will we get to a point in this county where if you can’t afford an education you are left on the side line and are setting down the roots of many problems coming down the road.
Those on the right want private jails, private hospitals, private colleges, and even some have suggested turn our libraries into a private money pit. They have only one motive for this and that is greed. Where people are not people but a dollar sign to be squeezed out of every penny they have and then left out in the cold.
“Those on the right want private jails, private hospitals, private colleges, and even some have suggested turn our libraries into a private money pit. They have only one motive for this and that is greed. Where people are not people but a dollar sign to be squeezed out of every penny they have and then left out in the cold.”
Indeed. It seems hard to believe, but we already have dipped our toes into waters where things like government operated fire departments and police departments and prisons and schools are considered socialistic enterprises, and our failure to replace them with privately operated businesses (which are paid for by taxpyaers funds) is a yet another sign of Marxist creep.
I do not know how long it will take maybe long after I am gone that the 5.0 gilded age will get to a point where folks will have enough of it and fight back. But the good news is folks have already in their own way helped out their fellow man in many small ways. I think it always goes back to community. We all share the roads, use the schools, and hope if our home gets on fire there will be firemen there to put it out. Call it what you want and yes the far right wing distorts the term Marxist. I think as Bill Maher says, the GOP should replace their elephant with a unicorn, i.e. not in the real world.
Dan@31. . .I did not call anyone a leech. . .this is your verbage.
Do you have any idea why they call Mr. Obama the “Food Stamp President”?
IMO. . .since this administration started it’s devious plan the number of
Federal employees has risen by 25%. ACA adds 150 plus new Agencies and 16,000 IRS agents. Hope the new R&R administration reverses or repeals
all of this waste. . .at which time your suggestion that RWers get most
of the bennies will be completely reversed making you happy. . .Me TOO!
gdad@37. . .use your imagination. . .Solnydra is the tip of the iceberg regarding the “green” energy fraud this administration has perpetrated on
the citizens of the USA. Think billions not millions.
Be honest, Leon. Solnydra was a case of horrible timing in a free-trade market in which technology moved faster than the company did, not one of fraud. It attracted $1 billion in private investment. It applied for a loan guarantee program that was created by Republicans in Congress, while Bush was still in office, and the Bush administration listed its application as one of its three highest priorities for approval in the waning days of the administration. Yes, it was ultimately approved after Obama took office. But to attempt to blame the he president for that is silly and disingenuous. I realize you don’t give a crap about fact, so you probably won’t click on this link, but here it is anyway.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/17/david-plouffe/solyndra-loan-george-w-bush-david-plouffe/
. It applied for a loan guarantee program that was created by Republicans in Congress, while Bush was still in office, and the Bush administration listed its application as one of its three highest priorities for approval in the waning days of the administration. Yes, it was ultimately approved after Obama took office
Not hardly. The Bush administration turned down Solyndra for the loan. Despite his own analysts admitting the company wasn’t stable, 0bama overruled and granted the loan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra.
Nice job, ‘journalist’ Dan. Way to dig for the truth.
Wrong again, Suzie. Here’s the timeline of what happened.
January 2009: In an effort to show it has done something to support renewable energy, the Bush Administration tries to take Solyndra before a DOE credit review committee before President Obama is inaugurated. The committee, consisting of career civil servants with financial expertise, remands the loan back to DOE “without prejudice” because it wasn’t ready for conditional commitment.
March 2009: The same credit committee approves the strengthened loan application. The deal passes on to DOE’s credit review board. Career staff (not political appointees) within the DOE issue a conditional commitment setting out terms for a guarantee.
In other words, the Bush administration pushed for the loan to be approved. A panel of apolitical civil servants rejected the Bush administration’s demands. They said the loan ap needed to be strengthened. After it was, the panel approved the loan, and by then Obama had taken office.
Owned AGAIN!
You’re so easy. It’s not even fun any more.
Just so we know the numbers for Liberty University:
Evangelical college Liberty University is the largest recipient of federal aid to a student body in Virginia, and the eighth largest recipient in the country overall, reports Lynchburg, Va.’s News & Advance.
Eighty-eight percent of the $445 million in federal aid that Liberty received in the 2009-2010 school year was comprised of student loans; the remaining 12 percent came in the form of Pell grants and other federal education subsidies.
Liberty is the largest private university in Virginia and calls itself “the largest and fastest growing Christian Evangelical university in the world.” The university was founded on the fundamentalist principles of the late Jerry Falwell and requires students in all its programs to take a course in “creationist studies.”
http://floridaindependent.com/25080/liberty-university-one-of-the-largest-recipients-of-federal-aid-for-students
Et tu Liberty – Pell grants?? Republicans want to eliminate education “subsidies”…
“Republicans want to eliminate education “subsidies”…
And they will, if they get the chance, for all students except those at Christian universities and private elementary and secondary schools.
Not sure of what the Republicans on education but let the numbers speak for them self.
DC has the highest per capita expense per student and they turn out numb nuts.
Roanoke City spends millions and has or had 50% graduation rate. But the grads (if they graduate) can tell you the price of the new Air Jordan or Labron James shoe, J-LO, JZ tunes and who Paris Hilton or the Kardashian’s latest break up…what one girl married 72 hours!
Matter’s World asked some bimbos on the beach who could not even tell you what countries border the USA….Who we fought in WW2.
The President OF the TEACHER’S UNION EARNS $493,000.00..(money well spent?)
Obviously it ‘AIN’T” working…
Watch Jay Leno Man on the Street..depressing These idiots can not even tell you who was the 16th President..(they know BHO). Whose picture is on the “dollar bill”.
Dan, do you have a problem with Christian schools and their (christian) schools graduation rates? At least the students are held accountable and know 2-2 equals zero..(no self esteem issues).
Compare Public Education and Private Education rates, impact on society and salaries..(leave out athletes income).
By the way Warren Sapp, great guy, great football player just declared bankruptcy..MADE MILLIONS…listed his assets of 240 pair of AIR JORDAN tennis shoes…
One other question…why are we sending local tax dollars to DC…having people administer/manage the money and then send it back to the States…another government inefficient program…just like the Post Office…Does DC know what is best for Martinsville, city of Roanoke.
Dan your theory is everyone is a victim and someone has to pay for their victim hood.
45.Be honest, Leon. Solnydra was a case of horrible timing in a free-trade market in which technology moved faster than the company did, not one of fraud. It attracted $1 billion in Comment by Dan Casey — August 25, 2012 @ 3:52 pm
Honestly Dan,
Solyndra was a politically rushed deal by the Obama adminitration (the Bush administration passed) to tout the success of the stimulus (LOL)and it’s green energy initiative. What’s really appalling is that it was a
100% loan guarantee which Tresury protested but DOE happily ignored. The
major players were Obama cronies. The House Energy and Commerce just released a 154 page report. The report is not pretty. The real fraud;
Solyndra is one of many such steals.
University of Virginia declines Obama request to speak on campus
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/25/university-virginia-declines-obama-request-to-speak-on-campus/#ixzz24bErIoUt
WOW…I am impressed..UVA tell the ‘bamster” ..sorry President Barrack Hussein Obama the STUDENTS come first…you are not welcome. How RUDE that UVA would turn down President Barrack Hussein Obama…guess the students are more interested in getting a job after graduation then BHO telling them more “bovine scatology”.
I will share this with my liberal friends..I applied at Darden..(that is the Business School for those who are not informed). I passed all application, reviews but I was competing with a lot of people for 200 seats from all over the world. (they showed me the list) and did not get in…guess I was a VICTIM and no money..
Algore got into Harvard after flunking out of Divinity School at Vanderbilt..(must not have had a Christian education).
To my Lib friends…How does someone who flunks out of Vanderbilt get into HARVARD…(went their for 2 years at night while working full time and PAID for my own classes and NO loans).
Wonder if any small bakers turned BHO down.
GO HOOS!
Steve Nelson I found a book for YOU.
Leon, the Bush administration pushed the loan approval. The apolitical civil servants were the ones who sent it back, requesting a stronger loan ap, which was delivered after Obama took office. The stronger loan ap was approved.
It’s true that the largest investor was an Obama supporter. The second largest was the Walton family — they own Walmart and are huge GOP supporters.
I’m being honest here. Why won’t you? Is it contrary to your nature?
Steve Nelson, you went to college for two years, and you still don’t know the difference between there and their?
“Not sure of what the Republicans on education but let the numbers speak for them self.”
Indeed.
I suspect a book given to stevenelson would be a book that would never see the light of day.
Shrillary:
“The university was founded on the fundamentalist principles of the late Jerry Falwell and requires students in all its programs to take a course in “creationist studies.”
So??? Lot’s of people take a course in creative writing.
54.Leon, the Bush administration pushed the loan approval. The apolitical civil servants were the ones who sent it back, requesting a stronger loan ap, which was delivered after Obama took office. The stronger loan ap was approved. Comment by Dan Casey — August 25, 2012 @ 8:19 pm
So I guess what you are saying Dan is that the Obama administration was much more forceful in pushing through a bad loan guarantee program than
the Bush administration. There were problems with the Solnydra deal from
the git go. . .Bush may well have supported the programs initiatives; however, he did not force the loan guarantee through for political purpose; Obama did. Congratulations; the Solyndra deal belongs to Obama.
Can we talk about the Delphi pension deal next or are you getting low on
honesty. Hard to spin truth isn’t it Dan.
“Steve Nelson, you went to college for two years, and you still don’t know the difference between there and their?”
Don’t forget they’re!
Kristen:
“I suspect a book given to stevenelson would be a book that would never see the light of day.”
Sure it would. The one too-short leg on his coffee table is bound to see some daylight.
#44 You simply said Solyndra got more than Liberty. Wrong.
JohnW, that was very funny.
Although if I’d thought about it, I might have gone in a “he can use it to replace the flat on his house” direction.
You’re right, Dan. There and their, they’re not the same word.
Kristen:
“63.Although if I’d thought about it, I might have gone in a “he can use it to replace the flat on his house” direction.”
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA… I guess he and pammala just over-taxed the old tires last night! Can’t let DNA that good go extinct, you know.
Dan,
Anytime you want to have a debate on the issues let me know.
Your posting I have a 2 year degree is INSULTING AND TYPICAL of the ROANOKE TIMES and lack of Journalist integrity.
The Constitution granted FREEDOM OF THE PRESS…(NOT IGNORANCE nor will I allow you to distort the truth!)
Dan you are offended that anyone will challenge your reporting because your are a “JOURNALIST”.
I do not pretend to be the best writer but will challenge your publication and writing.
I have a 4 year degree is Political Science/Public Administration and a MINOR in Economics.
I worked full time in Boston and attended a college in Cambridge studying Business Administration and Economics.
The only game you have is reporting what you receive from Democrat President Barrack Hussein Obama.
When you lose the DEBATE your revert to name calling or “mispokes, out of context..political snafu’s”.
I stand by my comments (grammar taken out of context) but YOU …DAN CASEY are a journalist from the Roanoke Times….and no credibility..)
I do not have the benefit of a teleprompter…and my issue IS not with anyone on this blog…JUST YOU and the Roanoke Times and the DRIVE BY MEDIA.
Their HAS BEEN no one ON THIS BLOG TO REFUTE or CHALLENGE MY comments..
Just “words just words” Democrat President Barrack Hussein Obama.
Demean or smear you all you want..”ain’t going away”.
UNTIL 11/7
Debbie. two years at Harvard while working FULL TIME and GUESS WHAT no GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE…
I paid for MY EDUCATION out of my OWN POCKET… I was working FULL TIME but wanted to IMPROVE my OPPORTUNITIES.
Democrat President Barrack Hussein Obama was not AROUND TO “HELP ME”.
Maybe I can sue my parent for making me self sufficient and NOT RELYING on the ‘DA GOVINMENT”
Debbie since you spoke up can you tell me about your back ground and education…(do not really care!)
Is anyone else beginning to wonder if Steve Nelson is a paid troll from the Obama camp, who’s trying to make the anti-Obama crowd look bad?
steve nelson:
“I have a 4 year degree is Political Science/Public Administration and a MINOR in Economics.”
I had a client once who asked for a refund for his degree. So, it’s not unprecedented if you go that way.
Can we see you transcripts stevenelson???
I’m going to have to call BS on the Harvard thing.
#67 Good lord, Harvard taught you to write that way?
I think you’re actually pammalalala.
steve nelson:
“two years at Harvard while working FULL TIME…”
That was the quote, guys. Two years as a grounds keeper or parking attendant, probably. If he did go there, I hate that he disclosed that for Harvard’s sake. He’s embarrasing.
Hey Steve Nelson, you may have blown your chance with the woman(?) of your dreams. Suzie thinks Harvard is a lousy school for liberal losers.
Below is a link to a statement issued in March of this year. I don’t know which years you attended Harvard, stevenelson, but Harvard’s historic acceptance rate has been around 6 to 7% of applicants. More power to you.
“Although Harvard College saw 1.9 percent fewer applications this year, the acceptance rate looks likely to decrease nevertheless. Since the admissions office plans to count on a yes from the vast majority of students accepted through its renewed early action program, Harvard may admit as few as 3 percent of the students waiting to hear their decisions this Thursday.”
Does Harvard offer associate degrees? That’s all you can usually get in two years. But, since he already seems to know everything, maybe he didn’t need to learn as much as most folks (humor).