Sandra Fluke will lead discussion on civility at Hollins Oct. 18
Sandra Fluke | AP
Remember Sandra Fluke? She’s the former Girl Scout and recent Georgetown University law grad who Rush Limbaugh branded “a slut” and “a prostitute” earlier this year after she dared speak out in favor of healthcare coverage for birth control at Catholic employers such as Georgetown.
She’s coming to Hollins University Oct. 18 at 8 p.m. for an event that’s open to the public.
From the Hollins U website:
Fluke will take part in a conversation on civil discourse with Assistant Professor of Communication Studies Jill Weber beginning at 8 p.m. in the Richard Wetherill Visual Arts Center’s Niederer Auditorium. Admission is free.
Fluke testified before the House Democratic Steering and Policy Committee in February on the need to provide access to contraception. Since that time she has spoken about this and other issues of concern to women and young people across news outlets.
Recall, Fluke had sought to testify about the contraception mandate in the Affordable Care Act before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. But Chair Darrell Issa, R-Calif., rejected her.
She later testified before a Democrats-only committee, and Limbaugh shortly afterward teed off her her remarks and branded her a “a slut” and a “prostitute.”
“She’s having so much sex she can’t afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex. What does that make us? We’re the pimps,” Limbaugh said. He kept it up all week, but after scores of advertisers dropped his show he issued a belated and weak apology. By the way, it was a lie that Fluke was demanding to be paid for having sex.
In one sense, Sandra Fluke was indirectly responsible for one of the most popular posts ever on this blog, The official time line of Rush Limbaugh in decline.
August 20, 2012 - 12:00 PM
Sandra Fluke will lead discussion on civility
I wonder if she will mention the OWS thugs who have committed acts of violence, arson, property destruction, and cost local economies tens of millions of dollars.
Free birth control is the civil rights issue of the century. No one can afford the 6 dollars a month
This ought to go over like a turd in a punch bowl with some of the regulars here.
Ready! Aim! Fire!!! …
Too bad they couldn’t get Linda Tripp or Sarah Palin to speak.
How is she relevant to lead on the topic? Because someone made fun of her?
Being that he has been merry four times I don’t think Limbaugh has any right to call anyone a slut but himself. I guess he can only get mad on’s against women and that is way he has failed in marriage so many times.
As for Ms. Fluke good for her, I myself agree with her about contraception and I am not a slut or prostitute (enough I am sure Mr. Limbaugh would disagree unless he only thinks women can be such because than he would have to look in the mirror). Most I have done with a woman is put my hand on their shoulder or back when they are upset and friendly hugs and going and hanging out regularly. Additionally if I ever get merry it shall be once and only once. I won’t be a quitter and player that abuses marriage commitment to hide being such like Limbaugh. Additionally people like Limbaugh need to learn that a person can approve of contraception, abortion, and the like yet still be conservative in terms of marriage and sexual relations and the like (of which the prior he clearly isn’t himself). Of course that would require the ability in having divergent thinking skills rather than a one track mind. Lastly I would say sex is more natural than hate that Limbaugh seems to be a monger of. Better to be a so called pimp than a hateful not so little troll
So when I read this it got me thinking, what would happen if folks on this blog went to hear this lady talk on civil discourse? Then I got to thinking is that a good idea?
I might have said something like this before but I find if you put very different types of people who have maybe opposite views, they may find they have more in common than you’d think. We did this during the war in South East Asia when many of us were against the war. And when it all gets hashed out at the end of the day you see the other person as a human being, even if you do not agree.
Which bring me to my original question; do you think that’s a good idea? As long as no one is fighting and who knows maybe meet for drinks.
VP Paul Ryan And The Real 2012 Election Issues
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Contrary to Obama and his team and his liberal press, this election is not about having enough homosexuals in the military or enough homosexual marriages or if Romney is as wealthy as John Kerry (who married his money), or if Susie can buy enough condoms and birth control pills at the local CVS to ensure she has a happy weekend!
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The Real 2012 Election Issues are:
Jobs
Doctor Directed Health Care
The Debt and Deficit
Rebirth of the American Free Enterprise System
Support of American Entrepreneurs & Businesspeople
Utilization of America’s Energy Resources and Capacity
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Perhaps Sandra can “remove the chains and shackles” that Biden has stuck in his mouth!
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http://roanokeslant.blogspot.com/2012/08/vp-paul-ryan-and-real-2012-election.html
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Whats the differance of paying for this or an abortion. Both are choices that were made by the individual when they decide to have sex. This is not my decision and I am not participating, so why should I have to pay for someone elses choice. Thats like me saying I want a BMW but can only afford and VW so I want the taxpayer to pick up my choice of car. You make the choice you pay for it. Leave my wallet alone.
Herb,
First, abortion and birth control are two different things. Second, you don’t have to pay. Mandating coverage for birth control DOESN’T increase the cost of health plans. It may even REDUCE the costs, because the women electing birth control won’t get pregnant, so their health plan won’t have to cover the pregnancy.
Poor LB Hagen. He can’t get any body to read his blog so he drops over to poison this one from time to time and try to drum up a little free advertising.
“…or if Susie can buy enough condoms and birth control pills at the local CVS to ensure she has a happy weekend!”
If Dan’s joke is any indication, she should probably pick up something. Or not. And FYI Mr. Hagen, although I realize that anything pertaining to reality and accuracy has no place on your blog, all you need is 1 birth control pill a day to have the greatest weekend ever.
And if you want the conversation to get back to actual issues, maybe you need to let the Republicans know to stop sticking their feet down their throat opining in public on the “social” issues you’re disparaging.
Herb, go ahead and join the ranks of those who completely missed the point on Fluke and birth control being covered by health care plans. While you’re at it, get some American dogs.
Maybe you can get the Chippendales to open for her, Dan ???? left-wing hack journalism excellence—–
She actually wanted taxpayers to pay for her contraception. This had nothing to do with whether contraception is right or wrong.
I agree, billhudson. I think it’s a great idea. I’d actually like to go just to see for myself what all the fuss was about. One of the many problems of today seems to be one of judgement of people we’ve never met. In a 24-hour media cycle that’s ultra-competitive, we’re often only exposed to the more salacious and sensational side of things – not the meat of the story. We judge by context and our context is composed of what’s going to make the biggest splash in the ratings. This gives us an extremely myopic window in which to evaluate an individual’s worth/credibility.
It also slants one’s opinion either way to the more extreme end of the spectrum. After an evening with Ms. Fluke, you might find she’s an arrogant, insufferable fool. Conversely, you might find her to be intelligent, personable and engaging. However, all many people have to go on right now is their own impression of others’ impressions of several short speeches given by the woman. This is an extremely bizarre standard (and completely arbitrary, as well).
What I find hilarious is that in attempting to vilify this woman, Rush made a figurative mountain out of a molehill. What should have been a fringe issue in an election year became a hot topic. Now, instead of asking, “Sandra who?” our minds are instantly flooded with words/phrases like “slut”, “prostitute”, and “war on women”. The taint of the words, regardless of on which side of the issue you stand, isn’t easy to wash away.
We have the same thing on this blog. We judge each other by our comments here when they are but a tiny, skewed view into who we really are as people. We really need something to pull us all together as human beings and a return to working together for the greater good. Sadly, that usually comes in the form of a colossal disaster of some sort. Right now, I’m not sure we could pull our heads out of asses in time anyway.
If someone cannot afford birth control, there are already measures in place to provide this for them. The problem is getting these people to USE those measures. Mandating health insurance companies to provide birth control does nothing but raise their costs, thus raising our rates. That is all.
First, abortion and birth control are two different things.
Not in the case of the Pill. They’re the same. We’ve been over this numerous times.
Will this 32-year-old professional activist still be portrayed as “a young college student”?
Henry,
She wanted her health plan, under the Affordable Care Act, to cover contraception. She didn’t say she wanted taxpayers paying for it. Limbaugh made that up.
fyi, just like Massachussetts’ Romney Care (which it was modeled after) the Affordable Care Act requires people to buy private health insurance. Taxpayers don’t buy it. Health-care consumers do.
I wonder if she will mention Bill Maher and his civility. At least with the lucrative speaking tour she got out of all this she will be able to support her own habits. I mean, pay for her own birth control.
At least Ms Fluke got a call from the POTUS apologizing for Rush’s remarks. Did Mr. Obama ever make that call to Sarah Palin apologizing for his million dollar supporter Billy Boy Maher? Maybe he can’t find her number.
Elle, you’ve got it backwards. Offering birth control coverage SAVES money.
“Actually, not really. The truth is that both insurers and employers who self-insure save money in the long run by covering contraception. So much money is saved that it makes financial sense to waive co-pays and deductibles. A 2000 study by the National Business Group on Health estimates that not providing contraceptive coverage in employee health plans winds up costing employers 15% to 17% more than providing such coverage.”
Re: Comment by dave — August 20, 2012 @ 1:59 pm
Does he even allow comments?
Who’d waste time reading a blog of one-sided propaganda? If you agree with the propaganda why waste your time — rather like re-reading a poorly written book or only reading on author. OTOH, iIf you question — wait a minute; you can’t question.
Elle, so you think it’s better for the taxpayers to provide healthcare benefits than the “health” insurance companies that are already being paid to do it?
What else do you think they should be free to not cover? Heck, I bet things like oncology and transplant surgery cost them a lot more than the Pill does…maybe they should ditch that too.
And Fluke’s point was nothing to do with whether birth control is right or wrong (a non issue) or whether the taxpayers should pay for it. Not that that little inconvenient facts keeps the dittoheads from falling neatly in line and mouthing Limpbaugh’s lies.
Abortion and birth control are two different things, even in the case of the the pill, except in the incredibly strained mind and logic of Suzie, who really doesn’t know what she’s talking about.
Re: Comment by Henry — August 20, 2012 @ 2:10 pm
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Re: Comment by Dan Casey — August 20, 2012 @ 2:30 pm
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Bingo.
Across the board it saves the goverment, the employer, and the individual money — a.k.a a win-win-win situation.
Well of course Susie thinks that if you close your eyes and concentrate really hard, you can magically prevent yourself from getting pregnant. For someone that dim,abortion and Jello pudding might well be the same things.
#15 You have said it better then me but yes in these times it is easy to put a person in a box and say who and what they are. On the net and on this blog we get hot and heavy sometimes. But would we talk like that face to face? That’s another ball of wax.
I have never met this lady but it says something about her if she is trying to get the word out about civility. As a roddie once told me, “Sometimes you have to stop your car and check you tiers.” So maybe we should stop if only for a minute and hear what this women has to say.
BTW – I believe Rush is still the #1 radio talk show in America.
“BTW – I believe Rush is still the #1 radio talk show in America.”
Will, he also holds the record for the radio show host with the most advertiser desertions. OUCH!
#1 is #1 Dan. Someone must be sponsoring him in spite of the leftist attempt to squash free speech.
Do you think the President should have apologized to Sarah Palin for Maher’s remarks the way he apologized to Sandra Fluke for Rush’s remarks?
After all if civility is the goal, why the double standard? Maybe you should have Ms. Fluke co host this blog while she is in town. Lord knows it could use some help in that area.
big deal, at least he is on the radio and telling the truth, you, danny boy on the other hand work at a dying liberal rag at best and do not understnad the truth… jealous of Rushie are ya?….he not only has the #1 talk show on radio, but the advertizers that left have been replaced with better one..you are an idiot dan
Does Rush have more listeners than the Roanoke Times has readers?
Will – here’s a little update for you about Limbaugh’s real numbers:
The Limbaugh lie about how large his audience is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rzJFmPqqlk
The Rush Limbaugh “twenty million listener” audience may have been grossly overstated as a result of the fervor of some of his listeners. More recently, a system of measurement was introduced – Portable People Meters [PPM] were introduced in 2007 and have been gradually put in more and more markets – and these cannot easily be gamed. Relative counts of approximately 50,000 prior to the new measurement system have given way to a current average of roughly 12,000 – additionally, Limbaugh remains toxic to advertisers and Limbaugh’s shares are declining as a constant trend.
The linked chart demonstrates the real numbers on Limbaugh:
http://streamingradioguide.com/listen-trend.php?showid=422
Can’t stand Limbaugh but the sad commentary is that #28 is probably correct. He lost a bunch of sponsors but he had alot of them going into this fiasco. Babe Ruth struck out 1330 times but he also hit 714 home runs. We can only hope for the day that Limbaugh is silenced but I’m not counting on it any time soon. There’s enough hate out there to keep him going a long time I’m afraid.
Uptheriver:
5.”How is she relevant to lead on the topic? Because someone made fun of her?”
She’s as qualified to lead that topic as Lori Haas is to lead the gun control topic.
Actually Rep. Akin came up with the perfect plan for free birth control. The woman just needs to declare any act of intercourse “legitimate rape” and her body will do the rest to prevent contraception. And we though the GOP folks weren’t very smart.
“Do you think the President should have apologized to Sarah Palin for Maher’s remarks the way he apologized to Sandra Fluke for Rush’s remarks?”
Will, no. Sarah Palin is a big girl. She’s a national political figure. Fluke, when she testified before the Democratic committee, was nothing of the sort. Get real.
Dave, I like your win-win-win comment. The problem is that politicians and the voting public are very leery of win-win solutions. They are much more conditioned to win-lose solutions, e.g. We Win, You Lose as in We won the election, you lost the election, or, my side won, your side lost.
#12 Kristen, Get some American dogs…?
Second Dan and Kristen, remember you and yuor party believe in seperation of church and state. The church and its employees believe in church doctrine. NO BIRTH CONTROL. Why is it that you only believe in church and state when its to your benefit. This is why the left is stupidly destroying this country.
You either believe in seperation or not. which is it Dan and Kristen?
pamadoodle @31 Could you post your links to your claim:
“he not only has the #1 talk show on radio, but the advertizers that left have been replaced with better one..”
FACTS seem to elude you.
Pat N. Hall….Good one!
Kristen, You dont have a CLUE how insurance works. We still pay for this.
Who do you think pays for major catastropihies. Surley not the ins companies.
Our premiums go higher. Since our premiums go higher,the ones that pay are us. Weather its thru work or Govt subsidies.
Rep. Akin is a jerk.
What I want to know is, who is this woman really. She comes out of nowhere at the behest of Nancy Pelosi to speak on a subject which was not in question during the original hearings yet she’s now introducing Obama and is making all these speechs. Who is she and where does she really come from???
Here’s a thought. Have one less beer a month and buy birth control with it. If, however, you’re looking for abortions and the like, pay for it yourself because it is not the duty of the rest of it to do this for you. Birth control IS NOT A RIGHT. It’s a choice and is in no way guarenteed by the Constitution. If you don’t agree, read the Constitution and tell me where this is covered as a right.
Even if Rush has the 15 to 20 million listeners,
(by the way that number is extremely dubious if you
research the matter) it doesnt say that much.
A guy who was arrested for Dr shopping for his Oxycodone
addiction..
A guy who was arrested for bringing viagara into the country
with someone elses name on the bottle..
Dropped out of college because even his own mother said he “flunked everything”
Made the infamously stupid comment about Donovan McNabb.
Made fun of Michael J Fox for being off his medication when his symptoms
of Parkinsons Disease manifested during a tv ad..and at the time was self medicating himself.
Rush has done nothing in his life but sit on his fat a$$ and shout into a microphone.
If this is the ignoramus you want driving your idiot bus I suppose
its your choice.
But its just as much my choice to ignore that fringe…inflated both in numbers and relevence.
Dan,
Re: “women electing birth control won’t get pregnant, so their health plan won’t have to cover the pregnancy”
Really?…
What happens when they “choose” to go off birth control to start a family? are the insurers off the hook? I did not read that part of the legislation.
I don’t think the main issue is with birth control being covered, it is that it is covered at no cost. Given your logic, shouldn’t everyone free BP and cholesterol medicine? Heart attacks are expensive…
Free diabetes medicine so insurance won’t have to pay for amputations?
There are a whole lot more folks who can’t control these diseases but must have med’s, than women who can’t “control” getting pregnant.
Pregnancy is a totally controllable “disease?”.
I wonder if “in her civility class” she will talk about the angry GLBT employee who shot the guy at the FRC?
Hope so… none in the media will…
Dan you are suggesting that somehow Palin is more of a woman than Fluke, and therefore does not deserve an apology for being called a name we can’t print in this newspaper? Are you kidding me?
I do believe Rush owed Fluke, a full throated, humble apology. Bill Maher on the other hand, does not apologize and you are just fine with that. Are your politics really that tainted? If I were to meet Maher in person, I would probably be tempted to show my civility for hitting him someplace where it really, really hurts. Same for Limbaugh. Limbaugh apologized because he had sponsors. Maher doesn’t. What a pig. And you Dan are on the side of the pig.
“Kristen, You dont have a CLUE how insurance works.”
This statement is unintentionally hilarious.
Paula,
She was nobody, merely a citizen who lived in DC and wanted to offer honest input to Congress on an issue she felt strongly about.
Then Limbaugh started calling her names like “slut” and “prostitute” and turned her into a somebody — and lost more than have his advertisers in the process.
Sherry,
I wasn’t suggesting anyone was more or less of a woman. I was suggesting that, at the time she testified to the committee, Sandra Fluke was much less of a public figure. Just for example, Sarah Palin had run for national office. A person in that capacity has to have a thicker skin, and has to take a lot tougher shots. It goes with the territory.
Sandra Fluke was a hardly known law student. Sarah Palin was a national politician. Are you saying you can’t see the difference?
“I believe Rush is still the #1 radio talk show in America.”
P.T. Barnum was right.
Sherry,
Fair and unbiased is almost always lost here… it is a mentally masochistic chatter, I find both intriguing and annoying.
But hey… it does bring one back… therefore… it works…
43. “Rep. Akin is a jerk”
Comment by Herb
Herb thinks the Missouri GOP wants to get a jerk elected to the Senate. Meanwhile, the Va. GOP wants to get George Allen elected to the Senate. No comment yet from Herb.
The ignorance of the Rush listeners shines like a new penny. And is almost as valuable.
This is not solely about “birth control”. Millions of women miss work due to the symptoms of being a woman.
Birth control pills cost more than “a beer”.
Everything insurance covers is not in the Constitution.
It saves the insurance company money to cover Birth Control Pills and reproductive services. THAT IS WHY they do it.
Churches that run businesses like hospitals and colleges are no longer Churches and the exemption that allows them to declare that is pushing the boundary of separation. They are not exempt from employment laws nor should they be,
Covering the cost of birth control saves money, prevents unwanted pregnancies, means less loss of work time. Dave Hicks is right in #25.
You conservative right wingers are not correct, not informed and not honest. Typical. “Talent on loan from God”, really isn’t.
yikes. Sandi rant…
Only one question Sandi…
If a woman chose not to have sex with a man… would that prevent unwanted pregnancies?
It’s a pretty simple yes or no…
let’s see if you can handle that…
Mike, abstaining from sex is not a surefire way not to get pregnant.
Re: Comment by mike O — August 20, 2012 @ 7:24 pm
Are you talking about voluntary abstention basing your asumptions on views of Todd Akin and old Rants & Raves (w/ lies).
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Hi Suzie…maybe Dan can start a new business..match makers or whatever..
IF FREE CONTRACEPTION is the KEY to keep WOMEN’S HEALTH..
THEN WHY are WE PAYING for WOMEN food stamps, medicaid and THESE WOMEN are HAVING 4 children FROM 3 DIFFERENT GUYS…
Free Contraception is AVAILABLE IF you are illiterate, don’t know your daddies and CAN NOT SPEAK ENGLISH…
Recently laid OFF…(OBAMA STIMULUS and 500k jobs a month) and TOOK the PRESIDENT of The United States of AMERICA recent AD TO HEART..
I dropped dad off for Chemo therapy and went to SOCIAL SERVICES…(thought it was Chuck e Cheese).
The women beside me HAD 4 KIDS…(HUGE TATOO down her leg) and one of the RUG RATS…”momma how come my name is Johnson and your name is Franklin..moms response YOUR DADDY LEFT ME before you were born…another crumb crunchers…momma my last NAME is WILSON…YOUR DADDY IS IN JAIL!…
I did not qualify FOR UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ASSISTANCE….my UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE was OVER THE MAXIMUM…
So to MY LIBERAL FRIENDS…AND FAIRNESS…
Do you think it is OK for US TAXPAYERS to pay for ignorance and ILLEGAL ALIENS who CAN NOT even SPEAK the QUEENS ENGLISH are MORE ENTITLED for United States and Virginia TAX PAYER SINCE 1970…
There WERE few IF ANY men at the SOCIAL SERVICE office…YET these WOMEN ARE POPPING out kids and GETTING MONEY TO DO SO…AND who IN the hell are these ILLEGALS no speaking WOMEN getting MY TAX dollars…
Question to MY “ENLIGHTENED FRIENDS”…HAVE any one of these PEOPLE COLLECTING FOOD STAMPS, MEDICAID ever CONTRIBUTED anything to SOCIETY and WE have FREE CONTRACEPTION…
Where is THE outrage for THE “boys” WHO don’t wear a RUBBER….they give those OUT at SCHOOLS…(need a school program using cucumbers)
When I was 16 back in early 70′S…we NEVER had any classes on HOW TO APPLY a RUBBER…but WE ALWAYS CARRIED ONE IN OUR WALLET….must have been the cub scout boy scout thing…BE PREPARED.
Hope I never need SANDRA FLUKE’s legal assistance…and GEORGETOWN LAW STUDENT.
Ignorance is this countries greatest asset…remind me to never recommend a Georgetown Grad for a job..
SUSIE…keep it REAL! You are the bomb!
i’m amused by those, like Roanoke’s own good ol’ dano, who think that “free” condoms equates to lower health care costs overall. …s though the folks who chose to not use them before they were “free” did so because of the cost… that’s a bunch of hooey.
Got an idea…instead of PAYING $3000.00 A year ON BIRTH CONTROL..
Give EVERY WOMEN free RUBBERS…COST CONTROL. Bet Trogan’s will SUBSIDIZED the GOVERNMENT PROGRAM.
$3000.00 FOR BIRTH CONTROL PILLS.
$ 547.50 FOR RUBBERS at the local C-STORE. (you guys have seen the machines)
$2,452 FEDERAL TAX PAYERS SAVINGS..
Keep it REAL and SIMPLE.
and Fluke WANTS to be A LAWYER…
Dan…Fluke WAS MERELY a CITIZEN….calling BOVINE SCATOLOGY on that BROTHER…
Scripted MELODRAMA…all BOUT OBAMA…and the AGENDA…(Yes OBAMA is a FASCIST).
Tell Susie I have a crush on here…the OXYGEN is getting to HER BRAIN!
Mike O, I do not know how many times I have to say this but women take birth control pills for many more reasons than just birth control. I had both my children via C-section so I had my “tubes tied” after the second surgery. I took birth control pills to counter a very serious and debilitating problem that MILLIONS of women have and the pill treats with the least invasion, for 20 years afterward and was very thankful my insurance covered the 30 dollars a month they would have cost me, and that was some time ago as I am now 54.
You may THINK you and the right wing, know it all, but you simply do not. When you outlaw birth control coverage you doom millions of women to suffer or pay out of pocket and believe it or not, many of us are not as wealthy as Suzie claims to be and birth control is not cheap.
Pregnancy issues are only one facet of birth control use and certainly only one of many facets of the birth control coverage under insurance issue. Get your brain out of people’s sex lives once in a while.
” abstaining from sex is not a surefire way not to get pregnant.”
The best part is that little gem was immediately preceded by this:
“You conservative right wingers are not correct, not informed and not honest. Typical.”
Well so what, Paul Ryan is coming to the Noke on Wednesday. I wonder if the little fellow is bringing his moma with him to talk about Medicare?
Sandra Fluke will appear at Hollins University.
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Paul Ryan will will make an appearance at a Roanoke Hardware store, because that’s where Tools are Bought.
#54 Sandi, I am not opposed to birth control, but birth control pills may not be the safe panacea that many believe. Anything that alters body function is not “safe” and probably doesn’t save money in the long run. For long term health reasons, if I was a woman, I wouldn’t take the pill.
#47 warren. The reason no response is because i have a job and family to take care of so i can pay more to the bums,like fluke that want free handouts from the govt. 2nd my comment was made because it was a stupid comment by akin. 3rd it was no better then your boy in chains biden. And still waiting on a response from dan and kristen about seperation of church and state view. Dan u had no prob responding to the ins. Part but pretty silent when ur group wants seperation only when you benefit
Chuck,
There are cases in the historical record of women who weren’t having sex who nevertheless got pregnant. Do you deny this?
Fernando:
“You Lose as in We won the election, you lost the election, or, my side won, your side lost.”
We ALL lost the last election.
Paula:
“Have one less beer a month and buy birth control with it.”
Have less beer and likely not need birth control in the first place.
mike O, some view conception repercussion-free sex as a right. You and I don’t.
steve nelson:
“When I was 16 back in early 70′S…we NEVER had any classes on HOW TO APPLY a RUBBER…but WE ALWAYS CARRIED ONE IN OUR WALLET”
Thank God for the small miracles too. Just when I thought there wasn’t, it turns out there actually is someone who shouldn’t procreate, but is trying not to.
@65 Well done sir!
@58,60,61 Steve Nelson – you sir, are….frightening.
“For long term health reasons, if I was a woman, I wouldn’t take the pill.”
Spoken like someone who’s never experienced a menstrual cramp in his life.
“For long term health reasons, if I was a woman, I wouldn’t take the pill.”
VRWC, if you had polycystic ovarian syndrome you would most definitely take the pill, for long-term health reasons. Seriously. And you might for some other health reason, too.
Paul Ryan is coming to the Noke on Wednesday.
Paul will draw a crowd the size we haven’t seen since the appearance of ….Sarah Palin.
Democrats don’t have much star power, do they? It’s always conservative Republicans who draw the big crowds Sarah even drew more than Idiot Boy in 2008. Idiot Boy couldn’t even bus in a fourth of that at an outdoor venue this year.
I like how you can determine the bats*it insanity level of a person and their views by the frequency of capitalized words in their writing. Even if it’s in a language you can’t read, when you see every other sentence in all caps, you know they have a bunker and are stockpiling silver for the coming economic apocalypse.
#73 Dan, I had no idea what polycystic ovarian syndrome is, but I googled it and found this.
http://www.womenshealth.gov/publications/our-publications/fact-sheet/polycystic-ovary-syndrome.cfm
Apparently changing one’s diet and losing weight is effective in treating the problem. I would change my lifestyle rather than take a dangerous pill that treats the symptoms. Natural remedies are usually the best.
#74 And Romney couldn’t draw half as many as Obama.
#74 OMG, Ryan is appearing at Northwest Hardware on Brambleton. You know, that locally owned store that suzie once dissed as too expensive and a stupid choice over a big box store? You know, toots, the one with expensive snow shovels? Shouldn’t he be showing up at a Lowe’s, troll?
And if that hardware store is the only place he’s appearing, you can’t fit too much of a crowd in there, snooze.
See, troll, you never know when your really stupid comments will come back to bite you in the ass.
We moved to SWVA from the heartland in April of 2010 and find all these comments absolutely astonishing. Intolerance, ignorance, misogyny. Is this column all we get??!! Is there perhaps a forum – via the Roanoke Times – for people who have neither the luxury of time nor the need for self-indulged rantings to engage in a more consciously productive discourse?
Dan, if I understand you correctly, since this was Sandra’s first rodeo, it was absolutely wrong to treat her in such a demeaning fashion, but if she was a public figure, Rush’s tirade was OK? We are talking about civility here Dan. I can disagree with someone without suggesting they are stupid, off their meds, or use a degrading sexual term no one deserves. Silly me, I believe the press and talking heads have the opportunity to show civility. Continued support for the Limbaughs and Mahers of the world does the political process no favors.
I hope Fluke’s civility discussion has some takers. Somehow I doubt anyone on this message board will have a change of heart one way or another. Limbaugh and Maher are paid haters. If no one listened, they would just go away. They offer nothing to public discourse,but they each have hair splitting supporters
Dan, knowing what I know now about hormone therapy, I wouldn’t do it. I DO support anyone who does make that informed choice, and insurance should cover that as they would any other medical condition. They cover ED drugs for Pete sakes!
suzie,,
Democrats have a hard time in the old pro slavery parts
of the state..Its those attitudes that die hard.
Probably the Dems have all but given up on SWVA
for just that reason.
That Ryan is even coming is a bit of a surprise..
I didnt know it was close enough for them to be
bestowing such a dubious honor.
Make sure the hardware store hides the Confederate Flags..
But then again as well placed as you are maybe you can use the
Star Power of Hank Williams.. get him to stop by..
You-d be right up there with the fringiest pseudo power brokers.
dano, you shoulda run a health insurance company back in the day…, had you done that, you would be one of the one percenters, because you would have had lower health care costs than the other companies because you would have given away free condoms…gee, I wonder why none of the others figured that out?
sandi, before obamacare, most if not all prescription drug plans covered the use of birth control pills if they were needed for something other than contraception.
A question FOR steve NELSON: Do you TALK THE same WAY you type? JUST WONDERING if when you talk, you shout SOME OF the words FOR NO apparent REASON.
By the way (oops, that should be BTW – can’t forget those CAPS!), if you really have a thing for Suzie’s avatar, there are lots of suggestive Amanda Pflugrad pictures on the ‘net. I’d bet she probably looks more like Rush, the Oxy-moron.
“Intolerance, ignorance, misogyny.”
Welcome to Virginia. You should have seen it 40 years ago.
“I’d bet she probably looks more like Rush, the Oxy-moron.”
I’d bet you’re right.
Saw an interesting bumper sticker while out running an errand last night. It read…
There’s One Thing A Woman’s Body Can Shut Down!!
The Republican Party!!
Art, last I checked neither Limbaugh nor Maher are Virginians. Mean people happen. Hardly exclusive to Virginia.
#79 Julie, I was wondering the same thing. BTW, welcome to Roanoke! It is a lovely, friendly town. Sadly, this forum as with most others are not given to civility and little intellectual debate. I was really hoping for more.
Did you mean intolerance of the 10 Commandments? (cough, cough)
This thread is unimaginably stupid. Men sitting around yapping about what sort of birth control they would or would not use? Incredible.
Frank, birh control is for birth control the overwhelming majority of the time. Why should a doctor have to lie about it’s purpose to get it covered by insurance? Idiotic.
#76 “Natural remedies are usually the best.” Comment by VRWC — August 20, 2012 @ 10:46 pm
So then you would disagree with the 3 Romney sons who had children through IVF – not the “natural” way? How does In Vitro Fertilization fit into the religious’ rights belief that any “science” related to “ladies’ parts” are bad…
“Ryan Sponsored Abortion Bill That Would Make Romney’s Kids Criminals” – The VP candidate pushed an anti-abortion bill that would outlaw IVF—which Mitt Romney’s children used.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/08/paul-ryan-abortion-ivf-romney-kids-criminals
Different rules for the especially rich, no? Taxes, healthcare, women’s health…on and on and on.
Sherry and Julie – please stop with the “vapors”. Political discord is not for the faint of heart. Although not every post on Dan’s blog is fact filled, nor are all threads entertaining, most will be informative in either a good or not-so-good way. The comments are a reflection of individual’s and sometimes a community’s or region’s perspective – you can agree with their comments or not – but that, of itself, is informative.
If the ignorance level here is even one-tenth as strong in teens, no wonder we still have a pregnancy problem. And you ask where they get it? Look in a mirror.
“Men sitting around yapping about what sort of birth control they would or would not use? Incredible.”
Yeah, a lot of people would consider it incredible for someone to CHOOSE (meaning agreeing to follow all rules and regulations) to attend a $40,000/yr private religious institution and then go before a Congressional Comittee to whine about said institution not providing you with free birth control. She certainly shouldn’t make use of the three federally funded Planned Parenthood Clinics within walking distance of Georgetown where she could have acquired free/reduced cost birth control. That would be incredible, too.
@96 Matt, I wondered that as well. Not to mention her future father in law is a Democratic Party operative.
@Shillary. This article is about a woman who is holding a discussion on civility. Are you suggesting poltical discord is only possible when people are decidedly UNcivil? Which is OK if that is the rule. What I find so interesting is all’s fair until one side is offended and then there is talk about all the uncivil behavior.
We wouldn’t know Sandra Fluke’s name if not for Limbaugh.
#93 Shillary, what are you talking about? I have no idea about “How does In Vitro Fertilization fit into the religious’ rights belief that any “science” related to “ladies’ parts” are bad…” I couldn’t care less about how Romney’s children had their children. I happen to think that birth control pills cause health problems for women. You’re wrapped a little too tight…
#92 Kristen, sorry, didn’t know mentioning that birth control pills might be a health hazard would offend you. Would you also be offended if I said that I wouldn’t recommend smoking or eating processed foods?
@98 Dear Sherry – if you would ask Sandra Fluke if she wanted to gain her “notoriety” by being called a slut, I believe her answer would be a resounding “no”. Is it your contention that her name recognition attached to the word “slut” is a positive aspect for her? Really?
And your false premise that I would somehow endorse incivility is well, just wrong and redirecting from my point. BTW – “Incivility is a general term for social behaviour lacking in civility or good manners”. Your posts lamenting behavior on the blog and how it appears to disturb you was my point – and, again. political discourse is not for the faint of heart. We have many exchanges on Dan’s blog that inform…sometimes harshly, sometimes rudely, but, so what? If it causes you distress, there are many places other than Dan’s blog to choose from…sewing circles, prayer meetings, cooking classes, book clubs…you get the idea.
Comment by matt — August 21, 2012 @ 9:20 am @96
Soooo,matt, what is your POV on the following tidbit?
A new male contraceptive is in the future…will the Catholic Church and the Christian right want it paid for by insurance companies if requested by men.. but.won’t that promote male “sluttiness”? Will the males “whine” that they should have free access to contraceptives?
“Because human and mouse BRDT [associated protein that is expressed only in testes] are highly conserved and have nearly identical bromodomain pockets based on our structural predictions, we envision that our discoveries can be completely translated to men, providing a novel and efficacious strategy for a male contraceptive.”
http://www.cell.com/fulltext/S0092-8674%2812%2900929-4
And lest you’ve forgotten that male Olympians received free condoms…and there was not a peep from the Christian Right, Limbaugh, Hannity, Ryan, Akin et al…following reports that 100,000 condoms (aka “male contraception”) would be distributed to Olympic athletes during the 2012 Summer Games?
“…at the 2000 Sydney Games, 70,000 condoms wasn’t enough, prompting a second order of 20,000 and a new standing order of 100,000 condoms per Olympics.”
http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/story/_/id/8133052/athletes-spill-details-dirty-secrets-olympic-village-espn-magazine
If my math is correct, isn’t that about 20 condoms a piece for male athletes? See any hypocrisy here?
Okay, I gotta admit that Sandra Fluke “speaking” at Hollins is just more reality TV shlock being shoved down the public’s throats. I find it offensive that they could not find a more meaningful speaker than someone who is merely enjoying an extended 15 minutes of fame. Is this really the best, brightest, more eloquent woman they could find? I think it’s embarassing (for very different reasons than others here have expressed). I simply don’t find that she is anything more (at this point in her life) than someone who circumstances have pushed forward…with very little substance/history/proven track record to support a speaking engagement.
You can argue over civility and what it looks like to you all day long and never come to an agreement. The ACA has 8 provisions affecting women’s reproductive health and the right wing and religious victims have picked out ONE to demonize.
“The new services are: well-woman visits; domestic and interpersonal violence counseling and screening; breastfeeding support, counseling and supplies; gestational diabetes screening; Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptive methods and contraceptive counseling and education; HPV DNA testing for women over 30; sexually transmitted infections counseling; and HIV counseling and screening.
Before the health system reform law’s enactment, some insurers did not cover such services, or they required women to pay deductibles or co-pays. According to HHS, 47 million women are in plans required to cover these eight services with no out-of-pocket costs starting Aug. 1.”
This is about comprehensive women’s reproductive health issues and birth control pills are but one aspect of them and NO ONE can force any woman to avail herself of even ONE of these services if her religious beliefs forbid it. You all want the government to sanction and uphold YOUR religious edicts and that is IMO unconstitutional. This is not about the cost of insurance as paying for birth control does not cost more than a pregnancy, illness or lost time from work over women’s reproductive issues. You are scapegoating and there is no way around it.
steve nelson:
“…Trogan’s…”
“$3000.00 FOR BIRTH CONTROL PILLS.
$ 547.50 FOR RUBBERS at the local C-STORE. (you guys have seen the machines)”
Are we supposed to take this seriously. Is this supposed to inspire us to have confidence in some people’s reproductive decisions? Ugh…
VRWC, getting out of bed is a “health hazard”. And the Pill doesn’t pose nearly the risk to ones health that pregnancy and childbirth do, considering the maternal mortality rate in this country. An inconvenient fact.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/apr/12/maternal-mortality-rates-millennium-development-goals
We’re #39! We’re #39!
Dan,
Re: “there are cases in the historical record of women who weren’t having sex who nevertheless got pregnant”..
I can only think of one, and those who are not Christians doubt that claim. Unless you are talking “artificial manners” I think you are stretching a bit far.
Are you suggesting that “birth control” should be free because “historically” one woman conceived without having sex???
Sandi,
I need no education on “other” uses of birth control. My wife needed it for matters, I would imagine, similar to yours (after I had paid good money years ago for the man-cut). Insurance paid the usual portion and we paid ours.
Your are attemting to mix apples and oranges. You obviously believe that women should have “free birth control. I just don’t understand why you would not agree they should have “free” BP/cholesterol/diabetes/anxiety or any other med’s one might wish to procure. Why not be sisistent and suggest that “everything” should be “free”?
Btw… your lack of answer to my “yes or no” question speaks volumes…
Kristen,
Since you are interested in European medical study, check on how the NHS is treating the “expensive” elderly in order to save money on services…
How many years until the IPA board (established in the ACA) similarly decides that our parents/grandparents are just too expensive?
#99 VRWC – posted, ” I happen to think that birth control pills cause health problems for women. You’re wrapped a little too tight”
Are you a woman? If not, please, your opinion is meaningless to irrelevant – those who will choose or not choose to use a pill for contraceptive reasons are not worried about your “faux” health concerns…I personally think condoms are dangerous…especially if they are “wrapped too tight”…
#105 Kristen, you won’t find me defending what is called “health care.” Calling what doctors, drug companies, and hospitals do, “health care” is a misnomer. Health care is what you do for yourself to avoid dealing with hospitals and drugs.
There are safer alternatives to the pill, and I don’t understand why women
put their future health in jeopardy for the convenience of others.
Re: Comment by VRWC — August 21, 2012 @ 10:16 am
I have no idea about “How does In Vitro Fertilization fit into the religious’ rights belief…. I couldn’t care less about how Romney’s children had their children.
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VRWC,
You might care less. However, our resident “Cafeteria Roman Catholic” and others allegedly marching to all the dictates of Vatican might well reject a candidate for “morally unacceptable” behavior.
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See: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm
“Techniques involving only the married couple (homologous artificial insemination and fertilization) are perhaps less reprehensible, yet remain morally unacceptable. They dissociate the sexual act from the procreative act. The act which brings the child into existence is no longer an act by which two persons give themselves to one another, but one that “entrusts the life and identity of the embryo into the power of doctors and biologists and establishes the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of the human person. Such a relationship of domination is in itself contrary to the dignity and equality that must be common to parents and children.” [ CDF, Donum vitae II,5.] “Under the moral aspect procreation is deprived of its proper perfection when it is not willed as the fruit of the conjugal act, that is to say, of the specific act of the spouses’ union . . . . Only respect for the link between the meanings of the conjugal act and respect for the unity of the human being make possible procreation in conformity with the dignity of the person.” [CDF, Donum vitae II,4.]
See: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19870222_respect-for-human-life_en.html
“5. HOW IS ONE TO EVALUATE MORALLY THE USE FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES OF EMBRYOS OBTAINED BY FERTILIZATION ‘IN VITRO’?
Human embryos obtained in vitro are human beings and subjects with rights: their dignity and right to life must be respected from the first moment of their existence. It is immoral to produce human embryos destined to be exploited as disposable ‘biological material’. In the usual practice of in vitro fertilization, not all of the embryos are transferred to the woman’s body; some are destroyed. Just as the Church condemns induced abortion, so she also forbids acts against the life of these human beings.”
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How can our “Cafeteria Roman Catholic” support someone declared “morally unacceptable” by his/her faith?
#107 Shrillary, I’m not sure what you were trying to say in your post. If you are defending the safety of birth control pills, that’s your choice, I don’t care. If that’s not what you were doing, I still don’t care.
VRWC – you are ridiculous.
mikeo, we have health insurance companies doling out care like misers here, today, in the United States. I can’t believe that there’s anyone here who wasn’t already aware of this, but if you weren’t, consider yourself informed. The “death panels” are already here. We call them “bottom lines”.
#107 Shillary There are class action lawsuits for the newer birth control pills. While any hormone therapy or any drug for that matter carries risks, Yaz and others are quite dangerous. I know of a 22 year old girl, non smoker, healthy life, who died because of multiple blood clots. Although she went to UVA, there was nothing to be done. A friend got pregnant on Yaz and got pregnant, developed toxemia, is still on blood pressure meds 5 years later. When people talk about risks, they are real. If a woman wants to take the pill or hormone therapy with the full knowledge of risks, fine.
Well Vast Right Wing…,if you “don’t care” why not be quiet and go away? Are you admitting to just being a troll?
Since it was Sandra Fluke who took all the bile and vitriol that the right wing and their “talent on loan from God” could muster and still stand tall, I think she is certainly someone who could speak to the issue of civility in politics, activism and citizen involvement. If people pay for Palin’s POV, why not Fluke’s?
sherry @ #113 and your point is?
sherry, if you’re ever lucky enough to catch daytime tv….there are zillions of class action suits against drugs going on at any given time. Lots of drugs…even ones that don’t allow promiscuous young women to enjoy consequence free and sinful sexual congress.
Sherry, are there no “risks” to pregnancy? Delivery? What in life, has no risk?
Shrillary,
First let me say that I think your “wrapped too tight” comment regarding condoms is LOL funny ( I do appreciate good humor).
I do, however, take a bit of exception with your contention that if one is not a “woman” their opinion is “irrelevant”. As I posted earlier (to sandi), my wife went on birth control for reasons unassociated with “pregnancy” we were informed of the potential side effects of long term treatment and we discussed and prayed over the decision. Yes, she could have made it on her own, but she understood (as I do) that our lives are intertwined and we each had an opinion to be considered. It is no different than when I considered a vasectomy, we should always consider and consult our spouse as to their opinion and future goals in life.
If two people are dedicated to a long term relationship nothing less should be expected than a mutual understanding for each other.
However, if you are suggesting that, a woman who wants to go out and bang every guy in town on Friday night should be able to take the decision, on her birth control, independently I agree; but I don’t think I should pay a portion of that.
Further, I would question if “birth control” is “free” does that end any responsibility for the man, should the woman get pregnant? No more child support? (you had the opportunity for free birth control) etc…
If the woman wants all the control, should she take all the responsibility?
My guess would be that if the government said “free birth control for all women” and “ since women are responsible for their birth control men have no obligation for any children” you would probably get a landslide of male support. How would the female support cut then?
I don’t know the answer; I am only posing the scenario.
If you were so informed about birth control, then surely somewhere you saw that it is not 100% effective at preventing pregnancy mike O.
Kristen,
Dan touts you as the HC expert like he does gdad as an expert on finance.
I am not aware of anyone here who has had the “plug pulled” because an insurance company mandated it. Please Feel free to educate me further… (facts would be appreciated).
Beyond that… are you suggesting that because, in your words, “death panels are already here”. that these decision should be made by government appointees and not doctors?
Kristen,
speaking of “misers” have you studied what the gov is projecting to pay doctors for medicare and medicade?
Further, have you considered how many are opting out?
Looking for your “professional” opinion.
Sandi Saunders:
“What in life, has no risk?”
That’s a very good question.
Democrats preaching civility…guess “our felon tax cheat murderer Republican candidate. was just acting STUPIDLY.( Obama comments about white cops in Cambridge).
Not into political correctness..if CAPS are offensive so be it. Nothing can be more OFFENSIVE then BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA..(the most cerebral guy ever to hold office as President of the United States.)
See Y’ALL at Northwest Hardware!!
mike O:
“First let me say that I think your “wrapped too tight” comment regarding condoms is LOL funny”
And a good problem to have, I might add…
sandi knows absolutely nothing abut mostly everything mike o, she wont get it hon..
“Kristen,
Dan touts you as the HC expert like he does gdad as an expert on finance.”
I do not, and have not, touted either as experts on the subjects mike O indicates.
mike O how did you draw such a conclusion?
Or is this what passes as fact in RWer fantasyland?
Cerebral is offensive to Steve Nelson. Now that’s something I can understand. . .
Comment by mike O — August 21, 2012 @ 6:14 pm @ #119
“I do, however, take a bit of exception with your contention that if one is not a “woman” their opinion is “irrelevant”.
Too bad you take “exception” – you are COMPLETELY irrelevant to every women other than your wife’s or daughter’s “lady parts” decision making. Men can not get Pregnant. So why do some men insist on opining or making the rules for those of us WHO CAN ?
You are free to do what you wish with your sexual organs -you posted, “it is no different than when I considered a vasectomy”. Did you have to ask the permission of a doctor? or pharmacist? have to wait to “think it over”? Have the doctor refuse the procedure while the clock it ticking on a “allowable” window of time because of the Doctor’s “religious beliefs”?
Did you have to view the sperm you would be not allowing to fulfill “God’s will”? Did you have to first have a trans-penis ultra sound before making the decision on your own body? Where you told you would probably get breast cancer if you terminated your sperm? Did your insurance company pay for the “termination of your potential life [sperm]? PLLLLLease.
Don’t make me laugh. It is NOTHING like the decisions women have to make in a totally hostile environment – with the interference of laws, courts, physicians and yes, men – decisions they have a RIGHT to make about their own bodies, without all the hurdles you did not have to leap over for your vasectomy,
Your disdain for women with your comment, “a woman who wants to go out and bang every guy in town on Friday night” says it all. Of course you know it takes two to bang…why save the disdain for one gender and not the other…I think you know the answer.
The world shudders to anticipate who you think is someone who knows absolutely anything “abut mostly everything”, pamalama. However “ignorant” I may be, pales in comparison to you and others who offer so little to any discussion here.
Comment by mike O — August 21, 2012 @ 6:31 pm@121, “are you suggesting that because, in your words, “death panels are already here. that these decision should be made by government appointees and not doctors?”
mike o – it is sometimes worth the effort to know what you are talking about – a principle you evidently do not embrace:
Paul Ryan said at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire on Monday the following:
President Obama “puts this new board of 15 unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats that he’s about to appoint, who are required to cut Medicare every year in ways that will clearly lead to denied care for current seniors”.
Of course this is a LIE. The FACT: The “board” [IPAB] has not even convened. The President has not made any “bureaucrat” an “appointee”, and more importantly, the board is PROHIBITED BY LAW from denying or rationing health care. This “new board” that Ryan speaks of, does not yet exist and will have the job to determine procedures and treatments that are both “health effective and cost effective.”
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/index.html
There are liars and republicans – Ryan is both a liar and a republican.
#111 Shrillary and #114 Sandi, it’s funny to watch two dupes who hate everything about business defend what the pharmaceutical companies produce for them. If it’s advertised on TV it must be safe huh?
Let’s see. No Dan, I don’t deny that there are records of immaculate conception in the historical records. Can you offer any numbers about how many? I mean you seem to think the existence of these records are significant to the debate and further, you seem to be implying that because there are records of immaculate or otherwise scientifically inexplicable, miraculous conceptions that this somehow means chemical or mechanical birth control is now a more reliable way to prevent pregnancy than is not having sex. I’m sure an ethical journalist such as yourself wouldn’t just throw that out there with no proof, like a troll, so let’s hear some numbers. While we’re on the topic, let me pose you a question. If your teen daughter comes to you and says she is pregnant but she didn’t have sex with anyone, are you going to believe it?
I think the more interesting part of this thread is your earlier position about it being okay to make hateful remarks and insults to people based on their status in life. Do you really believe it is okay to discriminate in such a manner? You seem to be arguing that whether or not a particular insult or act is inappropriate depends upon against whom it is levied. Is that truly what you think? Or do you just want it to be bad when a Republican says it, but forgivable when a Democrat does the same thing?
Dan,
Maybe I misunderstood the following from Dan to Herb:
Re: “Kristen, You dont have a CLUE how insurance works.”
This statement is unintentionally hilarious.”
I assumed the “hilarious” meant that Kristen actually “did” understand “how insurance works”
I accept your acknowledgment that Kristen does not have a “CLUE”.
@120 Sandi, I disagree about the 100% effective birth control. Remember Foster Friess? He was the clown that wanted women to put a Bayer Aspirin between their knees! Now that’s 100%!
Shrill,
Thanks for the post regarding parts of obamacare that have not yet been established. Too bad that you threw your fellow libs under the bus on the other thread, who touted that obamacare is already in effect and working “great”. .
(a small bit of advice for you would be to know about what you speak before you type. It might help to keep you from looking overly foolish).
VRWC:
“If it’s advertised on TV it must be safe huh?”
Obviously not. Religion is peddled on TV daily.
(angry) Shrill,
Re: “sexual organs” and doctor… yes we did have to have a doctor…and did have to “think it over”…
No on “allowable” window and did not ask doctor’s beliefs.
Yes on understanding that the “sperm” would not allow “any” more children. No on “trans-penis” ultra sound (are you making this up?)… Yes on future issues…
Hope I answered your questions…
Only one for you…
Do you think men go into this type of decision alone and uncaring of what their wife might think?
VRWC @ 132 ummmm? “dupes”…wow, brilliant use of language skills.
Evidently lacking in reading skills too, I believe the point was CHOICE to do as a woman wants with birth control – to choose which product – you know, like cigarette smokers choosing which brand to pollute their lungs…women too can choose to weigh the “perceived” dangers of their contraceptives.
Please, just bother someone else. You are making no valid point by being simply argumentative.
Chuck, I forgave Rep. Todd Akin Sunday. He said something that was stupid, offensive to women and horribly inarticulate. But we all say stupid stuff now and then. The mistake was almost as bad as comparing $60 billion in taxpayer savings in the student loan program to “stage-three cancer” — another odd medical judgment he rendered in April. But hey, whatever.
It’s the RWers who are not forgiving, and who are calling for him to drop out of the race — Hannity, Limbaugh, the National Review, Mitt Romney, John Cornyn, Ann Coulter and others.
mike O,
I know where Kristen works, and my statement to Herb was based on that knowledge. But Herb referred to insurance, not health care, and I was addressing his statement. (I assume that’s what you meant by HC, correct me if I’m wrong).
If you believe HC and insurance are the same thing, then on your next visit you should try asking your doctor for his (or her) expert opinion of your car insurance policy. But be prepared for a puzzled look. Because insurance does not = health care and health care does not necessarily = health insurance.
I have no idea where you got the idea that I consider gdad an expert in finance.
Dan to call BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA cerebral is offensive….kept hearing no one could understand where BHO is coming the “most cerebral president in HISTORY”…
Keep it real and TELL ME…not offended…just intellectually curious..almost 4 years in office ..
Can you tell me what BHO FUTURES is for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
OR is this ELECTION all about BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
and re-electing a (not sure what…ain’t what he promised…reducing SEA LEVELS, calming GLOBAL WARMING, bringing civility and FULL TRANSPARENCY…full employment, 5 TRILLION MORE DEBT…Bush ain’t here on this one).
Dan this is not about anyone else on this site…my issue is THE ROANOKE TIMES and YOUR full transparency.
What I find offensive…your newspaper reports the same thing..MANTRA from all media outlets expect the MAHIA RUSHDIE…(Rush HATES CLEAN AIR AND WATER)
So THE concern for the LIBERALS..
1 One RADIO disco jockey has 20 million listeners.
2 DRIVE BY Media…has ABC,CBS,NBC,NYT,CNN,MSNBC,Roanoke Times.Washington Post.
RUSH IS A VICTIM…7 AGAINST 1
See Y’ALL AT NW HARDWARE… GOTTA GET A SHOVEL for the SHOVEL READY JOBS…(bho…guess “our shovel ready jobs were not so shovel ready..HARDEE HAR HAR)
Comment by mike O — August 21, 2012 @ 8:24 pm @136
Do you read? The post was regarding the old/new republican talking point about “death panels” which is so 2008, don’t you think?
Ryan now speaks about “boards” with “appointees” which of course does not exist that will deny benefits. These are fictional “appointees” and a “board” has not even been convened.
So sorry, their is no throwing fellow progressives under the bus…but hey, don’t be too disappointed, as your guys are ready to “throw granny under the bus” with their SS plans.
The parts that are already in effect, BTW. in the ObamaCares/ACA are already working. Ask parents who now have coverage for their college age children, or those who can not be denied coverage or dropped for any pre-existing condition.
Facts seem to be pesky “thingys” for you. Pity.
Dan:
“I have no idea where you got the idea that I consider gdad an expert in finance.”
Probably from the same place that Suzie got the idea that J.M. White was a Realtor.
#138 “Do you think men go into this type of decision alone and uncaring of what their wife might think?” Comment by mike O — August 21, 2012 @ 8:35 pm
I couldn’t care less what your sexual decisions are…they are none of my business – just as every woman’s choice about her body is none of yours.
I’m bored with you now…
#121 mike O, please link to the thread where Dan touted me as an expert in finance (which I seriously doubt he did). If I had seen this, I would have quickly set Dan straight — I’m no expert in finance and have never claimed to be one.
Are you just making stuff up, like Rmoney and his claims about work for welfare?
#142 Steve Nelson, if you revere suzie so much, you won’t be buying anything at Northwest, and especially not a shovel. She lectured us a while back about how stupid it was to buy anything at Northwest because the big box stores are so much cheaper, and she used a snow shovel as an example. Places like Northwest, according to her, should be run out of business if they can’t match the bog box prices.
gdad:
“Places like Northwest, according to her, should be run out of business if they can’t match the bog box prices.”
Yeah, but the 19 year old kid at the big box store can’t recommend a quality shovel because he’s never even used one. The 60 year old at the hardware store has probably had and used a few shovels in his life and make better recommendations. Ever get a key cut at a big box store. The first time you drive 30 miles to a listing in the rain only to not have a bargain key not work, will make the hardware store key cut on a manual machine seem like a deal. Those virtually always work. Oh and I don’t care how cheap big box changes the oil in your car or changes the tires, I’ve seen far to many screw-ups with each to ever take that chance.
Value without service isn’t usually value.
#139 Shrillary,
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dupe
“dupe” [djuːp]
n
1. a person who is easily deceived
2. a person who unwittingly serves as the tool of another person or power
If the shoe fits…
It’s hard to find anyone at Lowe’s to help you, and it’s REAL hard to find anyone knowledgeable. It’s not at Northwest Hardware. But I will say this about the previous store at the Brambleton location:
The Basham family owned it when was Brambleton Hardware, and they offered the greatest service of any hardware store I’ve ever been in in my life. It seemed like they had a knowledgeable geezer in every aisle (they always wore blue and white striped shirts, with name tags, so they were easy to pick out). That guy knew 1) What you needed for anything you needed to do; 2) where it was; and 3) they always told you how to do the fix if you needed help with that. It was amazing place. They beat ANY big box store to hell.
I went to school with Doug. IIRC, it damn near broke his heart to sell it.
Dan, I frequent Northwest Hardware on Brambleton as I did Brambleton Hardware. It’s still well stocked but the service is lacking. Some “old geezers” are still there but for the most part you need to seek out help.
#148 You and I most certainly agree on this, John W. I was just quoting troll grrl from a little ways back.
#150 I pretty much go to Brambleton Hardware (as I still call it) for most stuff other than cheap annuals but I’ll have to say that once at one of the other True Values this guy owns, I felt like I was in just another big box. Service that day was largely nonexistent.
I don’t know why I remember this one, but back when da suze was lecturing us about how we shouldn’t support a place like Brambleton Hardware, she proudly told us how much she had just paid at Lowe’s for a snow shovel (I think you told her about the good shovel you had gotten at Brambleton), and she used some odd description of the shovel. That exact shovel with the exact strange description was on Lowe’s homepage, making it more than obvious that she had just picked the item and price off the Internet. One of the many times she’s been nailed lying.
@John ….
“hardware store key cut on a manual machine seem like a deal”
There is a little local owned store that I frequent that will make a key for the same price as the big stores, and except for one car key they have all worked on the first try.
“Dan touts you as the HC expert like he does gdad as an expert on finance”
You obviously can’t read. He’s done none of these things. He said it was funny when Herb said that I don’t know anything about how insurance works conceptually, and that is funny, but it’s completely unrelated to being an expert on health care.
Brambleton Hardware owns me… I’ve spent so much money in there they send me Christmas cards. That’s what happens when you are rennovating an old home. Whenever I go into the place people confuse me for a store clerk and ask where stuff is. Problem is, I know most of the answers.
I would love to be able to attend Paul Ryans visit and get him to sign my copy of Atlas Shrugged.
Way to avoid the issue Dan, but we weren’t talking about forgiveness. We were talking about your assertion that it is apparently okay to cast personal insults as long as the person is a public figure and should have a thicker skin. I, on the other hand, think it is wrong to call a woman a slut or a c#*t, regardless of who she is or how thick her skin is. The simple fact is, liberals aren’t really against hate. They think hate is fine as long the hate is directed at things they don’t like. Mot exactly the high road there, bub.
Comment by VRWC — August 21, 2012 @ 10:46 pm @149 – “If the shoe fits…”
It doesn’t, but just keep up with your inane commentary – seems to amuse you.
Inane Synonyms:
vacuous – empty – senseless – blank – foolish – vacant
Why would anyone be against hate? Hate is a powerful motivator and an important part of self preservation too. Hate is only a bad thing when it is aimed at people the way that many extremists do it. Yes, a public figure, especially a politician is different than a citizen who testifies before Congress but be that as it may, it was awful when Maher called Palin vicious names and it was awful when “talent on loan from God” called Fluke vicious names and lied about her motives. Neither deserves “forgiveness”. The difference is, no liberal on here has defended Maher, bragged about his popularity or parroted his talking points. The right cannot say they have not done so after “talent on loan from God” made his remarks.
Dan/Kristen,
Those who sell me health insurance are experts in the field of health care but like I said I am glad to admit my mistake and I understand that Kristen is not qualified to speak on the subject.
gdad, I meant Richard who Dan touted in a post earlier this month.
Shrill,
Apparently reading comprehension was not taught the angry liberal school you attended. I was responding to Kristen’s assertion that “death panels” were insurance companies and making the point that these people (mostly doctors) were to be replaced by government “appointees”.
Finally, I could care less what you do with your body. However, when a woman is hosting another life inside, that life should also have some “rights”.
“Dan/Kristen,
Those who sell me health insurance are experts in the field of health care but like I said I am glad to admit my mistake and I understand that Kristen is not qualified to speak on the subject.”
Come on, mike O. Who do you buy your health insurance from — your DOCTOR? He’s the expert in “health care.” I acknowledge that, on occasion, one term gets used in place of another, but “health care” and “health insurance” are two different things.
Moreover, Kristen is as qualified to speak on the subject as you are. She’s merely not an expert in the field. That don’t make her unqualified to speak. It means only she’s not an expert.
Btw, I don’t recall ever billing Richard as an expert in finance. Most likely, I touted him as an expert in taxation/tax law. He has been certified as such. He has a CPA.
Glad to know you’re able to “admit” your mistakes. Ha!
Comment by mike O — August 22, 2012 @ 4:24 pm
“However, when a woman is hosting another life inside, that life should also have some “rights”.
Bull hockey. Will you or your republican cohorts be willing to financially and emotionally support the woman who has been forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy? Of course not. – those of your ilk only care about the unborn – your interest and concerns end at the delivery… the living breathing children kicked off WIC for lack of funding, as well as medicaid payments being reduced for these “welfare” babies, underfunding of school lunch programs and federally funded pre-school programs including the incremental destruction of “Head Start”- these are the indicators of your party’s hypocrisy, and your own.
Anger? You bet, cruelty, insensitivity, lack of compassion and stupidity bring that out in me…so do Rwers’ duplicity and hypocrisy.
Indeed Shrilliary.
When women have pouches like kangaroos, it will be time to start taking about the life they’re hosting. Until then, it remains “potential life.”
Dan,
Our company ultimately buys insurance from an insurance provider with help of a team of independent analysts hired to evaluate various policies and prices to ensure the best alternatives for our employees. And YES they are all very knowledgeable in the field of health care issues. In fact, they provide regular seminars (ad nausea) into changes (or potential changes) in health care regulations.
Regarding “doctors”, the answer is YES these companies have a staff of doctors to evaluate various issues. Admittedly, I have been frustrated with some of the “peer to peer” necessities, but I understand the need for the practice and would rather have doctors making decisions than 15 political appointees.
I would not consider myself an “expert” in these fields, but I have been dealing with these issues for many years and probably have more information than “most”; which you stated about Richard’s “tax” knowledge, which I assumed meant “finances”. (I would fire my accountant if he had no idea of finances). I am sorry if I broadened Richard’s resume to include knowledge of finance.
I appreciate your protection for Kirsten, I do not know her qualifications regarding HC/insurance issues but from your post I expect here qualifications are in another field to which I am sure she is qualified to speak.
As an aside, I have recently purchased “extra” personal insurance thru a company that is supported by my own doctor. I can only assume they are preparing for the time when they will no longer accept “government” insurance, they promise guaranteed visits within 24 hours, as opposed to the lengthy period of waiting for those doctors who will still choose to accept “government” money (which some of our other doctors already have in place).
I imagine you might not like my answers but they are truthful.
Shrill,
I assume from your angry diatribe you believe there are “NO” rights for the unborn; sadly, even for those whose feet and shoulders make it out of the womb, to a potential earthly survival, only to have their brain sucked out, head collapsed in a death I could not imagine. Hey, Obama even supported killing those who just happened to make it out alive, but that is another story…
The answer to your question is “YES” there are many organizations who support women and children in these circumstances (does that change your view?).
Interestingly you always seem so angry on women’s issues, often suggesting that “men” have no interest or are uncaring. You bring up things like vaginal ultrasounds, as if it were something demonic. I have sat with my wife when she had that procedure. The doctor was very professional and quite frankly, I think I was more uncomfortable than she was with the two minute procedure.
I have yet to figure out if you are sincere in your anger, completely uninformed, or just spouting talking points with complete ignorance.
Maybe somewhere along the line some man “did you wrong”, maybe you should try to get over it for your own “health issues”.
AMEN4 Sister Shrillary! You go girl! Mike O, you are too clueless for words, and in way over your head.
Those who sell you health insurance are experts in the field of selling health insurance.
Shrillary seems to have this covered. No need for me to wade in. I do get heartily tired of men stomping around about this issue. It wouldn’t even be an issue if men were the ones who carried babies and gave birth…and we all know that is true. Not only would they be able to have abortions at anytime during their pregnancies, they would be fully covered on their insurance policies, they would be performed at very nice resorts with all the most modern medical care and doctors, and they’d have time off from work to recover.
Anyone who claims this is not the case…I’m just saying you’re lying to yourself.
Really Mikeo…so the people who have sold you health insurance have assured you that it’s great. And this makes them “experts” in health care?
LOL
And your comment about “hosting” another life is just twit-tastic.
Generally, guests dont have many rights and only get to stay as long as the host feels like having them. Once they’ve overstayed their welcome….adios.
Comment by mike O — August 22, 2012 @ 6:37 pm
@167 ” I have sat with my wife when she had that procedure.”
Well good for you…did she ask for the procedure, was it a necessary procedure for actual health issues? or, like women who are seeking to terminate an unwanted pregnancy [32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. ttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?linkname=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=8765248 ]
was she FORCED to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure that was not recommended based on a health issue, but because legislators, not doctors, wish this to be part of the punishment for “bad” women…
You posted, “I have yet to figure out if you are sincere in your anger, completely uninformed, or just spouting talking points with complete ignorance.”
Right, and you, with your uterus know everything there is to “know” about women! Talking points? How stupid you sound. I told you I have worked professionally in the field of which you speak with such unparalleled ignorance – 35+ years – your “experience”: you live with a wife and daughter, and held your wife’s hand through a medical procedure. Big deal. Husbands all over the world do that. They however, don’t all speak with the disdain you do about women nor purport to “know” about these issues.
You posted, “Maybe somewhere along the line some man “did you wrong”, maybe you should try to get over it for your own “health issues”.
And your stupid comments just keep coming. My career was spent dealing with women and children who have had suffered trauma and violence – physically and sexually – perpetrated upon them by the offender, and secondarily by ignoramuses like you. I have been a lucky woman, because I got to advocate for victims in the courtroom as a legal advocate, and in the “system” as a systems’ advocate. People like you, who I can say with all sincerity, are despicable and hateful in your attitudes – and small minded enough to think that it had to have happened to me, for me to be empathetic. You are a sorry excuse for a “man” – if you can even be called such – I am not even sure you are “human”.
Anger, yep,arrogance and ignorance do that to me.
“Hate is only a bad thing when it is aimed at people the way that many extremists do it.”
So you think hate is okay as long as your not an extremist? That’s great. Who gets to decide who is an extremist and who isn’t?
Sandi, do your views expressed @#160 mean that when you call Republicans the party of hate, you are actually giving them a compliment?
Chuck:
“So you think hate is okay as long as your not an extremist? That’s great. Who gets to decide who is an extremist and who isn’t?”
Exactly. If this sentence doesn’t start a circular argument, nothing will.
I said that “hate” has its place. I believe it does. Much of what we hate has the potential to harm us. Using hate to harm others, interfere with others, dismiss others, discriminate against others, disrespect others etc, is where the extremism comes in and that is wrong, on every level.
No Chuck, it is not a compliment to call an entire party, “the party of hate”. That means I believe (and facts back me up) that they are using their hate for extremist issues, ergo it is wrong.
Hating rattlesnakes, or even human “snakes in the grass” is the hate I was referring to as healthy, and for self-preservation. Hating groups of people who are different, accepting or urging discrimination, is the hate that is unhealthy. Surely some of you can comprehend the difference?
I think we have been deciding who is an extremist and who isn’t for a long time. Did you all think I just made that one up?
“Why would anyone be against hate? Hate is a powerful motivator and an important part of self preservation too. Hate is only a bad thing when it is aimed at people the way that many extremists do it.”–Sandi Saunders (from August 22)
Hmmm, this statement sounds rather strange, contradictory, and hypocritical coming from someone who was recently arguing that crimes committed because of “hate” should somehow be prosecuted more harshly. As Dan said to Sandi on that particular thread back on August 16th: “That’s where you get into thought-crime territory…”
A few comments from that thread:
“If this shooting was done out of hate, it is a hate crime and needs to be handled as such. It was an awful and dangerous thing to do. We need to examine what hate is and how it is promulgated in this nation.”–Sandi Saunders (from August 16th)
“I appreciate your adamant POV but I think the case is well proved that hate needs to be called out and fought like the scourge it is.”–Sandi Saunders (from August 16th)
“Granted you are just as dead no matter how it happens, but haters deserve harsher punishment.”–Sandi Saunders (from August 16th)
Hey Sandi, how do you square saying something like “hate needs to be called out and fought like the scourge it is” from last week, to now saying “Why would anyone be against hate?” just yesterday? Your own words have you flipping and flopping all over the place…
Kristen,
I am sure if those innocent “aborted” children could have a “choice” they would have chosen a “host” that would not have killed them weeks before they took their first breath outside the body (or in some cases immediately after).
alas.. they do not…
Also re: health insurance, I thought it had already been established you knew little in that field. Yes, my providers know lots about the health care field.
Shrill,
You know nothing about me or my experiences. I have always held the women in my life with high regard and respect; from your posts it does not look as if you have the same regard for men.
I believe your “distain” comments are a projection of your opinion towards men. I can’t be certain as I can only evaluate from your posts. If you might point to any “despicable and hateful” comments I have made please do so.
In fairness, I would be interested in your opinion on the discrimination suit against the DHS brought by a male
Also, I find it a bit curious that someone who has advocated for children, have so low regard for their welfare.
I would be interested in your opinion of Obama’s opposition to a version of the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act; given you are in the know, I imagine you understand that means killing the baby “after” it is born ( I assume you believe a “breathing” baby is a child?)
Finally, if arrogance and ignorance make you angry, I suggest giving up both.
Caffeine used to make me hyper so I gave it up.
“Yes, my providers know lots about the health care field.”
Sure they do. They sold you their product. In much the same way the guy who sold you your car is an expert mechanic. You’re exactly the sort of client who butters their bread.
Oh, and Mikeo? You know who has “hosts”? Parasites and guests. You might want a different word.
mike o @182 posted, “You know nothing about me or my experiences.”
And I am forever grateful for THAT.
“I believe your “distain” comments are a projection of your opinion towards men.”
Oh yes, I hate my father, my husband, my sons, my brother – are you ridiculous or what?…I don’t hate anyone, however you are becoming a serious contender for that area of emotion with your posts.
“I find it a bit curious that someone who has advocated for children,”
Yes LIVING, BREATHING, EXISTING OUTSIDE OF THE WOMB kind of children…the ones you and your ilk like to ignore.
Regarding your ahem, “misrepresentation” of how the President voted while an Illinois Senator:
Physical evidence (the actual IL General Assembly vote tally shows that on March 13, 2003, Barack Obama voted for an amendment making the IL Born Alive Infants Protection Act identical to the federal Born Alive bill.” Go Here To See The Tally
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/02/fact-checking-national-journals-fact.html
Please don’t waste my time on your falsehood.
“Finally, if arrogance and ignorance make you angry, I suggest giving up both.”
I will as soon as you stop directing your arrogant and ignorant comments to me for a response.
Shrill,
I went to your jump…
Are you saying he voted for it before voting “against” it?
I had my eyes diolated today maybe I missed something…lol
Kristen,
Your post continues to support your lack of knowledge in this field, I would be happy to educate you on the subject but it would probably be boring to most here.
I find it hearting that you looked up the term “host”. I can say that I used the term in an endearing manner; I find it interesting that you use it as “parasite”.
I never think of my children as parasites (ok well sometimes when they ask for cash I don’t have…lol), but not ever in a serious manner.
“Kristen,
Your post continues to support your lack of knowledge in this field.”
Sez the guy who initially claimed I had called Kristen an expert in it, then took it back.
Dan,
LMAO…
You make my point… you acknowledged she was not an expert.
Thanks
hey Shrill…how YOU doin’, especially after you posted a link to a cite which completely disproves your point. barry voted against the amendment, and you’d know that if you bothered to read what you posted….before posting.
Mike o…you put her back in her corner real quick. well stated, well done.
#187 Frank and cohort mike o#183
Do either of you read?
“Obama did not vote to legalize infanticide, and the media did not ignore the issue.”
“BECAUSE Illinois ALREADY HAD LAWS TO ENSURE INFANTS WHO SURVIVED ABORTIONS WOULD BE GIVEN MEDICAL ATTENTION”
The actual document is shown on that fact checking website…
“Physical evidence (the actual IL General Assembly vote tally [below]) shows that on March 13, 2003, Barack Obama voted for an amendment MAKING THE IL ‘Born Alive Infants Protection Act’ IDENTICAL TO THE FEDERAL Born Alive bill.” [my caps for the dimwitted]
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/02/fact-checking-national-journals-fact.html
You can make up stuff all you want – both of you – but reading comprehension is evidently the least of your problems. Twisting the truth = a LIE.
I once had a pet rock. I wanted it to jump over a rubber band. I presented good reasons for the jump – I cajoled and smiled. It would not jump over the rubber band. I gave it a light tap…it would not jump over the rubber band. I finally hit it with a spoon, and again it would not jump over the rubber band. I finally flung it into a field with the other rocks, and it hasn’t moved since – so I guess it must be happy out there with the rest of the dull rocks.
Mike and Frank, where you ever someone’s pet rock?
Shrill,
Re: “Twisting the truth = a LIE”.
I agree, that is why I do not do it.
Re: “pet rock”
I think I am beginning to understand some of your issues.
From your post, you believe “rocks” can do things that are impossible.
Interesting that you, first, attempted “cajoled” and influence but ultimately resorted to violence (hit it, flung it) to achieve your goal. This sounds a bit like abusive angry extremism.
If these are the actions you make with a “pet”, I suggest you get some therapy, and I wish you the best.
Are we sure we believe that matt has a degree in anything? Generic hate has a purpose, it can save us from the things we should fear and things we cannot abide. As I said, I was speaking of hate in the “I hate snakes” vein not the “I hate gays” vein. Hate that is self-protection is not the same as hate that is aimed at people, groups, institutions or political opposition. Surely that distinction is not lost on someone so “educated”. Or is it?
Hate: 1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
2. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.
Sandi, I know matt’s last name, and yes, he he did indeed earn a master’s from Hollins in something or other this year, as he has claimed. Much to the university’s chagrin, I’m sure.
Much to the university’s chagrin, I’m sure.
When it comes time to write donation checks, I’m sure Hollins is grateful for every conservative alumnus they have.
I just wish the folks Liberal Ron hits up for money and the folks who write his checks could read the crap he posts on here.
Re: Comment by Sandi Saunders — August 23, 2012 @ 8:25 am
“Hating rattlesnakes, or even human “snakes in the grass” is the hate I was referring to as healthy, and for self-preservation.”
———-
Sandi,
I have to disagree. Hate breeds self-destruction, damages health, and is self-destructive. Hate of individuals can lead to the hate of groups — which you rightfully deplore.
“I have decided to stick to love…Hate is too great a burden to bear.” ― Martin Luther King Jr., A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches
“There is something about hate that tears down and is destructive. So love your enemies. (from “Loving Your Enemies”)” ― Martin Luther King Jr., A Knock at Midnight: Inspiration from the Great Sermons of Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.
“I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him.” ― Booker T. Washington
Etc, etc, … etc.
OTOH, a healthy and reasonable level of fearing rattlesnakes, or even human “snakes in the grass” is another issue.
Lol. Careful, Dave Hicks. You’ve disagreed with it. Now, it’s going to start with the personal attacks, like insulting your education or where you attended college. Disagree at your own peril…
Dan, you can’t be serious; (door) matt actually has a master’s degree? I never would have believed it.
Kind of ironic that girls schools also have affirmative action admissions nowadays but if that helps the (door)matts of the world, God bless ‘em.
I guess what with all that high tuition at Hollins they were about to carve out a little something extra for short bus service to get (door)matt safely to and from classes.
Dan, you can’t be serious; (door) matt actually has a master’s degree? I never would have believed it.
You don’t have a college degree of any kind, do you, ace?
Master’s Degree Alcoholic Steve! It’s been too long. Glad you’re back. And with an affirmative action jab, too. Nice! You keep pluggin’ away, old man.
#98 (doormat),
Son, the only thing that’s been too long is the wait for your balls to drop.
Stop pretending you’re in my league. I got chunks of kids like you in my crap and I clean up with your worthless little sheepskin.
#199 Alcoholic Steven,
You are correct about one thing: you are most definitely in a league of your own. From affirmative action and short bus jokes, to comments about testicles and describing your crap to everyone…you are certainly in a league of your own.
Cheers.
well, well, well, if true, this might be old news by now, but i hear a rumor being floated that the former female Georgetown law student (no, i didn’t mean to imply that she is now a he) who pled obama’s case to have American taxpayers provide women with free rubbers is gonna introduce obama at the democrat convention. Oh boy! i bet those cheapskate male libs can’t wait! i wonder where we might see her again? …Hillary better keep her eyes on good ol’ Bill!
by the way, there’s a great documentary playing at valley view, by some foreign-born, ivy league-educated guy by the name of Dinesh D’Souza. “2016: Obama’s America”. Great Documentary. Even if you fundamentaly disagree with anything which calls Obama to question, please go see the documentary.
“well, well, well, if true, this might be old news by now, but i hear a rumor being floated that the former female Georgetown law student (no, i didn’t mean to imply that she is now a he) who pled obama’s case to have American taxpayers provide women with free rubbers is gonna introduce obama at the democrat convention. Oh boy! i bet those cheapskate male libs can’t wait! i wonder where we might see her again? …Hillary better keep her eyes on good ol’ Bill!”
Frank, you can thank Rush Limbaugh for that!
well, well, well, if true, this might be old news by now, but i hear a rumor being floated that the former female Georgetown law student (no, i didn’t mean to imply that she is now a he) who pled obama’s case to have American taxpayers provide women with free rubbers is gonna introduce obama at the democrat convention. Oh boy! i bet those cheapskate male libs can’t wait! i wonder where we might see her again? …Hillary better keep her eyes on good ol’ Bill!
Good one, Frank. She might be too old for Bubba, though
And for some reason, the libbies are afraid to talk about Dinesh D’Souza’s film and why the Grandid isn’t playing it even though they said they were non-partisan.
Re: Comment by matt — August 26, 2012 @ 10:05 pm
FYI, Sandi and I have disagree quite often — on far more substantiate issues. However, we have managed to keep the discussion / debate rather civil, for the most part.
We keep exchanging ideas and learning. Try it. You might like it.
#203: “…talk about Dinesh D’Souza’s film and why the Grandid isn’t playing it even though they said they were non-partisan.”
Does the poster understand anything about the business of theatrical film booking? Apparently not. Particularly in first release, whether a film appears at any given theater is not simply a matter of the theater’s desire to show it. There are many films that do not open at independent theaters like the Grandin, others that do not play at the chain multiplexes. There are many factors that determine where a film opens, from screening fees to technical requirements to market demographics.
Also, as was already explained here, this latest agitprop film, unimaginatively copying Micheal Moore, is intended to have an impact as much from advertising and publicity about it as for responses to viewings of the film itself.
This portion of one review sums up the film’s weaknesses:
“The only answer D’Souza entertains: that Obama is a Mau Mau anticolonial revolutionary driven to impress his dead, absentee father, a Kenyan who dared to write…that government regulation might sometimes be needed to rein in private industry. You might object, “But Obama has spent almost zero percent of his life with that father, and something like 75 percent of his life in the same private schools and Ivy League universities and institutions of power occupied by every other president of either party in recent American history…(for D’Souza)the fact that Obama senior was never around to radicalize Obama junior only proves that he did radicalize Obama junior. That explains why junior later went on to fulfill the dream of all Kenyan revolutionaries of the 1960s: passing the health care plan Republicans came up with in the ’90s.
Now might be a prudent time to ask if, of all recent presidents, Obama is the one whose daddy issues have most endangered Americans.”
http://mediamatters.org/research/2010/10/04/dsouzas-the-roots-of-obamas-rage-rooted-in-lies/171476
On the subject of parental influence, if the poster’s parents hadn’t chosen to be poor (as, according to the poster’s own oft-expressed reasoning, they did), the poster might have had wider cultural exposure, allowing the poster to have gained some knowledge about such a common business as cinema. However, they did not, and the legacy of their choice to force deprivation on their child is a poster who publicly humiliates those poor parents with every ignorant post.
hey suzie, there’s no hope for the grandid. i have seen at least a couple of documentaries there….but it must have been in my other life…the one which left me… rest assured, the only way that old dive survived is because….well, it’s not because they’re balanced…non-partisan…open-minded… Good point!nevertheless, it’s their loss, as the 2:15 p.m. show on a Monday afternoon at valley view was 3/4 full!
hey dano, it wasn’t on Rush where i think i came across what might have been a “rumor”. i try to listen to Rush every chance i get, and i’m pretty sure i “read” it, instead of “heard” it. besides, Rush is 99.6% right regarding everything he says, you know? if i heard it from Rush, i wouldn’t be calling “it” a rumor. Sheesh! nevertheless, obama did use ol’ flucke as his mouthpiece through which to plead his case for free rubbers, didn’t he? and, i believe that ms. flucke will be on the podium next week at the democrat convention, maybe with that “indian” (not Dinesh D’Souza…) of high cheek-bone fame elizabeth warren, pleading obama’s case for free rubbers for women….again. oh, now i see what the guy is after!!! soak the rich….free rubbers for all women! …with obama’s view on things, men don’t need to be “responsible”…and the rich will eventually include everyone who obama and the libs need to extract more $$$ from…
“Hate: 1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry. 2. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it…Comment by Sandi Saunders — August 26, 2012 @ 7:51 pm”
I’ll bet it has your picture beside it too.
hey dave…i agree with your note on hate. well said. by the way, is there a difference between the hate sandi rails against, and that which she so frequently displays? not to me, there isn’t.
i think Jesus said it best, but i wouldn’t dare go there on ol’ dano’s blog… by the way, i’m really just curious, but do we know what Muhammad says about hate?…or, WHO to hate?
wow warren, you can be really nasty when you want to be! yep, go right for a “poster’s” parents! yep, you’re a REAL smart one, aren’t you. the D’Souza film was a good follow-up to obama’s 2 books, and thus far with his too many years in office.
by the way, when you need good health care, be sure you go to cuba, ok. or, just cross the pond to the UK. oh, darn, that won’t work, will it. those darn waiting lists…sheesh!
oh, are you up to reading “mediamatters” now? you think that’ll get you in the club?
Criticizing a sitting president in a time of war is treason. Didn’t you guys get the memo?
I got chunks of kids like you in my crap and I clean up with your worthless little sheepskin.
Huh> Alky Steve C is losing it. Maybe he can join granny at the track in his jammies.
Does Fluke realize how ridiculous she is? A 32-year-old complaining about her condoms? First off, if you’re not married, you have no business even talking about this stuff. She’s not even mature enough to enter into a meaningful relationship. She’s approaching mid-30s and has absolutely nothing to show for it. Instead, she’s acting like an out-of-control kid.
Your parents aren’t proud of you, Miss Fluke. They’re embarrassed as HELL by your rhetoric. You’ve made a fool of them and of yourself.
Time to grow up, girl.
Rush Limbaugh turned Sandra Fluke into a household world. And Suzie is really steamed about that.
Did Dan just admit Rush is more powerful and popular than all the MSM new networks who had Fluke on before Rush talked about her?
Cool.
Dan would like to be Rush He would like to see what the zenith of journalism looks like.
With her ridiculous outbursts, I think susie wants to be as famous as Sandra Fluke.
Criticizing a sitting president in a time of war is treason. Didn’t you guys get the memo?
And speaking of war, recall that in 2004, the Iraq War and it’s casualties was the #1 Democrat objection against George W. Bush. Lo and behold, our butchering boy blunder has surpassed Bush in American deaths at the same point in their administrations by 200.
Not..a…peep… from the liberal hypocrite pukes.
209.:”wow warren, you can be really nasty when you want to be! yep, go right for a “poster’s” parents!” (Comment by Frank)
Want to know what I think about matt’s father, Frank?
Yeah, Warren. Show us how “intelligent” you really are (again). Lol. Didn’t we already discuss this parental stuff? Ya know-Frank Marshall Davis and such? You so typically became all whiney and played the race card, if I remember correctly. Either way, it’s quite strange (and telling actually) that you continue to be concerned with posters’ familial relations rather than debating issues.
“Yeah, Warren. Show us how “intelligent” you really are (again). Lol. Didn’t we already discuss this parental stuff? Ya know-Frank Marshall Davis and such? You so typically became all whiney and played the race card, if I remember correctly. Either way, it’s quite strange (and telling actually) that you continue to be concerned with posters’ familial relations rather than debating issues.”
Still avoiding the question, I see.
“Still avoiding the question, I see.”
Still flailing about, I see.
1. There isn’t a problem with ACCESS to contraception.
2. It was made up in the primaries when Romney was asked about it – he was stunned and confused because it came out of left field and not a real problem. It was the start of a distraction to keep us from talking about the real issues of the day…and it seems to be effective for many women.
3. With $16T in debt why should the federal government add free birth control to the entitlements or require that it be added to health plans? It isn’t free, someone will pay for it – I have no desire to pay for Sandra’s birth control via my higher insurance premium or taxes.
4. Yes, birth control for a single woman is less expensive than health care for a child, so if no one had birth control that would be a valid argument. However, today men and women are managing to pay for their own birth control. Our birth rate is not skyrocketing because people cannot afford it or find it. Therefore it will cost more.
5. I guarantee you that if insurance routinely covered it, the cost would go up.
6. If I wanted to create a REAL issue, I would have pushed for access to mental health care and drug/alcohol rehab. Now that is a real problem for both insured and uninsured and certainly creates many drains on our society. But “war on women” probably polled better than “war on the mentally ill”, it was 50% of the voting block, and perhaps more likely to vote than the mentally ill.
7. Common sense and personal responsibility have left this nation.