Spotted on the boardwalk on the Saturday OPEN thread
Shot by Dan on the boardwalk in Ocean City
“As Commander in Chief of the United States Military, I will never send our sons and daughters and our brothers and sisters to die in a foreign land without telling the truth about why they’re going there.”
Howard Dean
I’ll be out most of the day, folks. Have a good one!
August 18, 2012 - 9:52 AM
Ah an Open thread.
So, for a question.
http://tinyurl.com/9zmrdxg
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Who will claim the Catholic vote?
By Timothy Stanley, Special to CNN
updated 9:43 AM EDT, Fri August 17, 2012
SNIP
But political strength doesn’t necessarily mean political unity. Today’s Catholic vote is divided by intensity of faith. According to Gallup, the “very religious” lean toward Romney and the “nonreligious” prefer Obama, by significant margins. This reflects an internal story of conflict between liberal and conservative perspectives on what it means to be a Catholic. Biden and Ryan stand on either side of that debate, and their selections as running mates signal vastly different approaches to winning the Catholic vote.
Joe Biden is part of the Vatican II generation of Catholics, reared on the lofty ambitions of the 1960s. After the Vatican II council, the church reformed its liturgy to encourage greater participation of the laity and make the Mass more accessible. For many Catholics, evangelization and catechism became less important than charity and social activism. Some, like Biden, have even accepted homosexuality and abortion as part of society’s slow evolution toward justice for all.
SNIP
When Paul Ryan was growing up, the charismatic, anti-communist John Paul II was Pope. His traditionalist ethos has been continued and expanded under Benedict XVI, who has talked seriously of the church becoming smaller but purer. In this context, Republicanism and Catholicism find synergy — and Ryan is its embodiment. He has a large family, boasts a 100% percent prolife voting record, and supported the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. Ryan also is happy to lend his Catholic moral theology credentials to his new boss, who sometimes struggles to strike a chord with religious voters.
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Don’t know if I believe this story or not. Irregardless, I’m sure it will stir up some conversation. Most of it not very polite.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/gop-consultant-koch-brothers-bought-ryans-nomination-with-100-million-promise/
An excellent article on the truth about the Romney-Ryan plan for Medicare and the Affordable Care Act.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-big-lie-of-the-day-a-plan-even-paul-ryans-mother-couldnt-love/
One last article before I hit the golf course for the afternoon. It’s about why Mitt Romney must release his tax returns. 4 really good reasons. All of which come from Republicans not Democrats.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/history-tells-us-why-mitt-must-release-his-taxes/
Mitt Romney is talking in circles. First he tells us how much trouble medicare is in and then he criticizes Obama for making changes that strengthens medicare. Gee Mitt, I thought you were in favor of cuts in entitlement spending.
No the real Mitt only wants to privatize medicare to please the insurance companies just like Ryan tried to send social security to the Stock Brokers. Mitt’s plan makes the young workers pay for those over 54 to continue receiving benefits while providing nothing for the younger workers when they retire. Their vouchers will be limited to the current budget whims on Congress which means they will have paid in for years and get virtually nothing in return. Mitt’s banking on the seniors not caring about the young workers and the young workers not paying attention to what he is doing to them. What a rip off to them.
But it is also a rip off to the seniors. Mitt is saying we won’t lose a thing under his plan. But we do. Once he takes away ACA, we get stuck with the doughnut hole again on prescriptions. Obama, with ACA not only keeps all medicare benfits but closed the doughnut hole.
Romney screws the young and the old with his medicare plan. Obama has worked to lower medical costs through ACA so that medicare as it currently is survives. He helps the seniors and the young by protecting health care for all.
Just a little women’s history from 92 years ago this month.
http://womenshistory.about.com/od/suffrage1900/a/august_26_wed.htm
“When thirty-five of the necessary thirty-six states had ratified the amendment, the battle came to Nashville, Tennessee. Anti-suffrage and pro-suffrage forces from around the nation descended on the town. And on August 18, 1920, the final vote was scheduled.
One young legislator, 24 year old Harry Burn, had voted with the anti-suffrage forces to that time. But his mother had urged that he vote for the amendment and for suffrage. When he saw that the vote was very close, and with his anti-suffrage vote would be tied 48 to 48, he decided to vote as his mother had urged him: for the right of women to vote. And so on August 18, 1920, Tennessee became the 36th and deciding state to ratify.
Except that the anti-suffrage forces used parliamentary maneuvers to delay, trying to convert some of the pro-suffrage votes to their side. But eventually their tactics failed, and the governor sent the required notification of the ratification to Washington, D.C.
And so on August 26, 1920, the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution became law, and women could vote in the fall elections, including in the Presidential election.”
I think this is my favorite part of the article I referred to in my other post:
“Opposed by a well-organized and well-funded anti-suffrage movement which argued that most women really didn’t want the vote, and they were probably not qualified to exercise it anyway, women also used humor as a tactic. In 1915, writer Alice Duer Miller wrote,
Why We Don’t Want Men to Vote
Because man’s place is in the army.
Because no really manly man wants to settle any question otherwise than by fighting about it.
Because if men should adopt peaceable methods women will no longer look up to them.
Because men will lose their charm if they step out of their natural sphere and interest themselves in other matters than feats of arms, uniforms, and drums.
Because men are too emotional to vote. Their conduct at baseball games and political conventions shows this, while their innate tendency to appeal to force renders them unfit for government.”
How will this go? Will SCOTUS dodge, again? If not, how will they decide? Do you agree or disagree with what you would expect the decision to be?
http://tinyurl.com/cot5rhn
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The National Law Journal August 20, 2012
Judicial pay fight may reach high court again
Federal Circuit to hear case claiming Congress unconstitutionally withholds judges’ cost-of-living pay adjustments
By Marcia Coyle
A year ago, the U.S. Supreme Court dodged a sensitive constitutional question concerning judicial salaries, but it may face that question again before the next term ends.
On Sept. 7, in a rare en banc hearing by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, six current and former federal judges will argue that Congress unconstitutionally withheld judges’ pay adjustments and the Federal Circuit was wrong when it ruled otherwise over a decade ago.
In asking the Federal Circuit to overrule its 2001 precedent, the six judges said they recognize “that there are few matters more delicate for judges to decide than those involving their own pay. The compensation clause, however, ‘is designed to benefit, not the judges as individuals, but the public interest in a competent and independent judiciary.’”
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Another book for our reading list:
http://tinyurl.com/8ffg8kn
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Senate Experts Argue to Save the Filibuster, Sort Of
By Niels Lesniewski
Aug. 18, 2012, 1:01 p.m.
Advocates and opponents of changing the Senate rules will find something to like in a new book hitting shelves next week that documents the history of filibusters.
In “Defending the Filibuster,” Richard Arenberg and Robert Dove outline their case for substantive reform without undermining the chamber.
The bipartisan duo push the case against an effort led by relative Senate newcomers Tom Udall (D-N.M.) and Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) to change the chamber’s rules by a simple majority vote at the beginning of a new Congress.
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Rants & Raves (w/ lies) is going to love this one, which will appear Sunday in The New York Times:
http://tinyurl.com/crcb7t7
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Lawyers of Big Tobacco Lawsuits Take Aim at Food Industry
by STEPHANIE STROM
Published: August 18, 2012
Don Barrett, a Mississippi lawyer, took in hundreds of millions of dollars a decade ago after suing Big Tobacco and winning record settlements from R. J. Reynolds, Philip Morris and other cigarette makers. So did Walter Umphrey, Dewitt M. Lovelace and Stuart and Carol Nelkin.
Ever since, the lawyers have been searching for big paydays in business, scoring more modest wins against car companies, drug makers, brokerage firms and insurers. Now, they have found the next target: food manufacturers.
More than a dozen lawyers who took on the tobacco companies have filed 25 cases against industry players like ConAgra Foods, PepsiCo, Heinz, General Mills and Chobani that stock pantry shelves and refrigerators across America.
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Think that old Rants & Raves (w/ lies) will repeat his/her claim about loving the taste of DDT on her/his food?
This can’t be Dan’s blog. She who hijacks blogs, has a big mouth and is a know it all Liberal, has yet to post. One can only hope her computer has had enough and regurgitated it’s hard drive.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/paul-ryan-gm-federal-funds_n_1799515.html
“The attack has already received a fair amount of ridicule because the Janesville, Wis., plant actually closed during the last year of George W. Bush’s presidency. What hasn’t really been emphasized is whether Ryan clearly knew this and made the charge nonetheless. ”
So, like so many on the right, it’s unclear if he’s lying or just has no idea what he’s talking about. Go Rmoney/Ryan!
All the religious here pray for the safety of your fellow religious communities.
http://tinyurl.com/bs9wnao
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Spate of attacks near Ramadan trouble U.S. Muslims
By Yasmin Amer and Moni Basu, CNN
updated 6:06 PM EDT, Sat August 18, 2012
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Attacks on Islamic centers spiked across America during the holy month of Ramadan
Many Muslims are fearful as they celebrate Eid al-Fitr in the United States
The fear was heightened by the carnage at the Sikh temple and the burning of a Missouri mosque
An Islamic advocacy group has asked mosques to beef up security Sunday for Eid
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On the subject of religion – specifically Catholics – and the Romney/Ryan budget
From the US Conference of Catholic Bishops’ 3/6/12 letter to the US House on the Ryan budget:
1. Every budget decision should be assessed by whether it protects or threatens human life and dignity.
2. A central moral measure of any budget proposal is how it affects “the least of these” (Matthew 25). The needs of those who are hungry and homeless, without work or in poverty should come first.
3. Government and other institutions have a shared responsibility to promote the common good of all, especially ordinary workers and families who struggle to live in dignity in difficult economic times.
[Pdf.] http://www.usccb.org/news/2012/12-076.cfm
and this
Nuns on the Bus
http://www.networklobby.org/nuns-bus-trip
I was taught in parochial school that Catholic nuns are always right. Catholic nuns called the Ryan budget “immoral” during the ‘Nuns on the Bus’ tour, at which time they presented their own “Faithful Budget.” And as any good Catholic schoolgirl [or boy] knows, you don’t cross the nuns.
This has probably been posted before, but in case it hasn’t:
http://www.barackobama.com/tax-calculator?source=em12_20120803_ofa_act&utm_medium=email&utm_source=obama&utm_campaign=em12_20120803_ofa_act&keycode=
#11 No, johnny, no. suzie is conservative, not liberal. Or so it claims.
#12 Good God, how do we stop these right wingers from lying constantly. Of course part of their plan is to constantly distract the Obama campaign with blatant lies, like the one about working for welfare.
Congressman Ryan was in Florida today blasting both barrels 0bama’s medicare lies. The manchild’s campaign is in full-scale panic as his polling in Florida and indeed all the battleground states drops like a rock.
I don’t know if they failed to produce enough dirty trick personal attack ads against Ryan or what, but right now he’s landing haymakers and 0bama can’t seem to fight back.
Maybe they underestimated Ryan, I don’t know.
I was taught in parochial school that Catholic nuns are always right. Catholic nuns called the Ryan budget “immoral” during the ‘Nuns on the Bus’ tour, at which time they presented their own “Faithful Budget.” And as any good Catholic schoolgirl [or boy] knows, you don’t cross the nuns.
I haven’t seen what these “nuns” are saying about 0bamacare and it’s financing of baby-killing. Don’t they know that under 0bama’s end plan, they’d be the first ones locked up after the media?
Liberal dictators never seem to show much gratitude to their supporters.
#16 Not describing Suzie. Suzie rocks, rules and and is a fine conservative. We need more Suzies in the world.
Re: Comment by gdad — August 18, 2012 @ 10:03 pm
So, is it now the consensus of opinion that she/he is not a gross caricature created by Dan or someone to make the right look bad?
“Congressman Ryan was in Florida today. . .”
Is that the same Congressman Ryan who the Koch Bros. BOUGHT with the promise of a $100 million donation of soft money to Romney? OMG the guy is so over his head he makes Sarah Palin look respectable.
“So, is it now the consensus of opinion that she/he is not a gross caricature created by Dan or someone to make the right look bad?”
I’ve never been devious enough to “create” her.
Ryan out campaigning with his mommy today. Now THERE’S someone I would trust with America’s foreign policy. The sockpuppets and concern trolls are getting thick, I just love the smell of desperation in the morning.
Oh dear. Is this the same Real Clear Politics the leftwingers had been citing up until last week?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/05/10/romney_should_win_in_a_landslide_114108.html
#20 Sorry, Johnny, but this was an absolutely PERFECT description of suzie. Couldn’t have said it better myself:
“She who hijacks blogs, has a big mouth and is a know it all…”
Lyin’ Ryan blames Obama for a GM plant closing that closed before Obama became president.
And he didn’t ask for stimulus money.
Lyin’ Ryan. Yep, that’s a good name.
The column on Real Clear Politics that Suzie cites is from Dick Morris, the ex-Clinton pollster who used to hire a prostitute so he could lick her toes. When the scandal broke, the Clintons bounced Morris, and he had to run to the right wing to salvage what was left of his career.
Here’s another, much more reality based article about Morris and Ryan and the Koch Bros. It’s by Republican operative Roger Stone, in which he discloses that Romney picked Ryan after the Koch Bros. offered up $100 million in soft money to help the Romney campaign.
“I’ve waited a few days to lay out my analysis of the selection of Paul Ryan for the VP slot on the Romney ticket. Unlike politicos like Dick Morris who bad-mouths the selection privately and shills for it publicly, I’ll tell you what I really think. My sources tell me David Koch played a key role in Ryan’s selection and that Koch’s wife Julia had been quietly lobbying for Ryan. The selection was cemented at the July 22nd fundraiser Koch held for Romney at the former’s sumptuous Hamptons estate.
Koch pledged $100 million more to C-4 and Super PAC efforts for Romney for Ryan’s selection.
The upside of Ryan’s selection is clear. Romney, distrusted by party conservatives, won’t have to worry about his right flank or the base throughout the fall as John McCain did, theoretically leaving Romney free to seek independent swing voters in the middle. The downside is Ryan may be so tattooed by the Democrats for his “extreme” positions that Romney’s ability to win these votes may be limited. The shift of the debate from jobs and the economy to entitlement funding is not beneficial to the Republicans as it will allow the campaign to play out on the Democrats strong suit issue.”
And that plant was in Ryan’s hometown!
You woulda thunk that he would have a better handle on the dates.
This is also from Real Clear Politics. Every poll listed except Gallup, show Obama ahead of Romney. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Too bad Gallup is the best and most accurate.
The real Clear Politics average has Obama up 3.4 nationally. If you click on the 4 years ago tab, you’ll see that at on the same date 4 years ago, it had Obama up by 3 points over McCain.
It always makes me laugh when these clowns cite “The Koch Brothers.”
They are pikers compared to George Soros in terms of contributions to political parties and causes. The Koch Brothers have given under $200 million to free-market organizations while Soros has forked over $8 BILLION to various leftwing causes.
real Clear Politics average has Obama up 3.4 nationally. If you click on the 4 years ago tab, you’ll see that at on the same date 4 years ago, it had Obama up by 3 points over McCain.
RCP must have run out of their blue cyan ink cartridge, because their battleground map shows NO blue whatsoever.
Maybe they can start counting Pennsylvania and some New England states as the new battleground.
“Is that the same Congressman Ryan who the Koch Bros. BOUGHT with the promise of a $100 million donation of soft money to Romney? OMG the guy is so over his head he makes Sarah Palin look respectable.”
Dan
Please, please, please…oh pretty please watch the vice presidential debate with me. I want to take a picture of your face watching Biden trying to match wits with Paul Ryan and post it on this blog. Ryan’s pummeling of Biden will be historic and may finally signal a change in America looking somewhere else than government to solve their problems.
Every poll listed except Gallup, show Obama ahead of Romney.
Yeah, gotta love leftwing Gallup. They keep running articles how Ryan is the “worst pick since Quayle” and how much the voters hate him and how he’ll pull down Romney. Meanwhile their OWN poll has had Romney ahead for the longest period ever – over a week now.
Hilarious.
Please, please, please…oh pretty please watch the vice presidential debate with me. I want to take a picture of your face watching Biden trying to match wits with Paul Ryan and post it on this blog. Ryan’s pummeling of Biden will be historic and may finally signal a change in America looking somewhere else than government to solve their problems.
I can’t wait for that, Terps. Biden is great at sounding like a know-it-all with his facts and figures –which generally turn out to be wrong–but it works because the Democrat dimwits don’t know the difference.
But this time, Ryan will be able to call the bloviating assclown on every single one of his made-up stastistics.
It’s. going to be beautiful.
“Ryan’s pummeling of Biden will be historic and may finally signal a change in America looking somewhere else than government to solve their problems.”
I can’t wait until Biden comes out with this one at the debate:
“My opponent is a perfect example of the poisonous nature of big money in politics. The only reason in the world he’s standing at that podium is that David Koch bought his selection to the VP slot with a promise of $100 million in soft-money support. Now, he’ll tell you he wants to ‘talk about the issues.’ Well THAT is an issue — Citizens United IS an issue — and it’s one most Americans care about. He’s a water boy for the oligarchs, but he’s NOT gonna want to talk about that.”
Oh, and by the way, the column by that prostitute’s toe licker that Suzie cites is from more than THREE MONTHS AGO. Dick Morris says the poll worth paying the most attention to is Rasmussen tracking, which as of YESTERDAY had Obama up by 2.
You can’t make this stuff up!
#36 most ill-informed – even the right leaning Rasmussen poll has Obama up in their latest poll numbers…no “bump” for RoMoney and Ryan…except for the one they handed President Obama!!! Way to go republican ticket…otherwise known as the “throw granny under the bus” campaign.
Rasmussen Tracking, which leans to the GOP, had Romney up by 2 points before the Ryan pick and now Romney’s down by 2.
That’s a 4-point swing, against Romney, following the purchase of Ryan’s slot on the ticket by David Koch.
LOL.
#36 Now that was complete gobbledy gook, toots.
Want the best indicator that Romney/Ryan will win? It beats any poll. Just watch the level to which Dan becomes shrill and unhinged. 4 years ago Dan had a quiet confidence and he rarely went overboard with looney left rhetoric. During the Bush campaigns, Dan sounded just like he does now. It’s all vague conspiracies pushed by Daily Kos(Koch brothers 100million) and over the top venom against Ryan who even most democrats like.
Yep, just watch Dan become unglued and bet heavily on Romney/Ryan.
Leftwingers all the sudden getting all preachy about a guy who sucked a prostitute’s toes, while they’re fine with the guy Dick Morris worked for, you know, the serial philanderer. Too funny.
Even Clinton was forced to admit Romney had a sterling business record.
#25
Oh, yeah, Dick Morris. He’s obviously one of the most reliable prognosticators around. His track record of picking the winning horse is really encouraging, ain’t it?
http://www.dickmorris.com/democrats-in-trouble/
http://www.dickmorris.com/undecideds-should-break-for-mccain/
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/09/dick-morris-should-stop-predicting-things/43141/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-nickolas/worst-pundit-in-america-d_b_160212.html
Speaking of horses (asses), isn’t it amazing how I can lead the ol’ war horse suz to water I can’t make her drink it? The ding bat is totally clueless in spite of my best efforts.
#43 Bet? No, not on that team and my guess is the GOP has their heads in their hands saying , oh no, not again come November.
If I could write a letter to Rommey, it would start like, Hey Rommey baby, thanks for Christmas in summer and giving the GOP on another lost election.
Terps, the person who announced the $100 million purchase of Ryan was Roger Stone. He’s a Republican political operative who worked in the campaigns of Richard Nixon, Ronald Raegan, and Bob Dole, among others.
“announced”. Does that now pass as fact in journalism?
“announced”. Does that now pass as fact in journalism?”
Terps, ha, this is the easiest question of all day. The question is, did Roger Stone announce this or not? And the answer, which you can find right here, is that, yes the Republican operative Stone announced this on his Web site. It is a fact that he wrote it there.
Terps’ problem is that the fact of the announcement is troubling to him. For that reason, he is demanding the news media ignore the statement. We don’t know whether Stone’s allegation is true, but we do know that he has a long history as a GOP operative and that he tends to call things as he sees them. In politics, Stone has gravitas, and that makes the allegation newsworthy, in the same way that Harry Reid’s statement that a Bain insider told him Romney hadn’t paid federal income taxes of 10 years was newsworthy.
A question for you, Terps. Remember when Pons and Fleischmann announced the “cold fusion” breakthrough in 1989? They were they were highly respected electrochemists. And it later turned out that they were wrong, of course.
Are you saying that the news media should have ignored those scientists’ claims, until the media had independently verified them? If so, how would that have occurred? Should the AP have sent one of its reporters to graduate school, to earn a Phd in electrochemistry, before it printed a word of Pons’ and Fleischmann’s “discovery?”
BTW, here’s something which has been proved FALSE. James O’Keefe’s doctored videotape in which he purportedly dressed up as a pimp, with a pimp hat, mink cape, etc. in his meetings with reps from ACORN.
It seemed outrageous on its race that anyone with ACORN could ever seriously converse with anybody dressed up in a getup. The fact that they didn’t throw him out of the office immediately was one of the most seemingly outrageous parts of that entire dustup. Because that is what the video showed.
We now know that O’keefe didn’t wear his pimp outfit to ACORN offices. He dressed normally. But he edited the tape to make it appear as if he had dressed up as a pimp for his meetings.
Terps absolutely loved that tape. He thought Fox’s treatment of it was the best piece of “journalism” he had ever seen.
From this we can draw a couple of conclusions:
1) Lies by RWers that are intended to hurt the left wing are highly prized journalism in Terps’ book.
2) But journalism that merely reports the FACT of an allegation from a respectable source, and which portrays the right in an unfavorable light, is unworthy.
Unreal.
When the right lies
billhudson, you have the workings of a good song there:
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeey Rommey baby,
You’ve vanquished all doubt about maybe,
It’s still summer, Mister Mitt
And your campaign just turned to sh–.
Your Ryan pick really sucks,
You sold it for Koch’s bucks,
It blows more than ten alto saxes,
And you’re still hidin’ all a your taxes.
Even Dickie M says you’re down,
Bad news from the toe-licking clown,
ADD SOME VERSES, FOLKS!
#43 Terps and #44 Suzie, have you seen this article from Kevin D. Williamson in National Review? Great article with some good advice to Romney to “own being a rich guy.” Makes a lot of sense, as Williamson points out, Americans love the rich, and Romney is an alpha male who has been the “boss of everything he’s ever touched.” Williamson even suggests that Romney take the silly little name the OWS types have given him, Rmoney, and change it to all caps, “R-MONEY” to emphasize his success. Good idea!
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=102723&topicId=192330009&docId=l:1722146418&Em=7&start=17
VRWC,
It’s a good idea. He could even release his wife’s horse’s federal income tax return. That would be hilarious.
But for it to work, Romney would have to have a sense of humor. Have you seen any signs of that?
Most of his attempts to tell jokes, like “Hey, I’m unemployed, too,” have made him look like a caricature of a tin-eared politician.
Dan
The guy speculates, has no proof and even MSNBC isn’t running with it. The Koch brothers fetish is the left’s equivalent to the right’s birthers. No one cares and it is a marker for the irrelevant fringe.
The Dems are out of ideas so they can only attack those who do have fresh ideas…like Paul Ryan. Watch him blossom, Dan. And in the meantime, scour the Internet for obscure conspiracy theories that may convince you that Ryan is the product of a Martian invasion.
He was against it, during the debates, before he was for it. Click here for a video clip and article about Mitt saying that under the Newt’s tax plan, he would have paid 0 taxes for the last two years if the capital gains tax was eliminated. And, that it wasn’t right.
Ironically, his new bud, Ryan, is proposing the same 0% tax on capital gains and the Mittser is just fine with it now.
51 Great article, VRWC. I think will start using RMONEY. The guy is clearly in charge. The difference between these two candidates is the starkest ever between two candidates, with the exception of the Great Reagan vs. the wimpy Mondull.
Re:
“Don’t they know that under 0bama’s end plan, they’d be the first ones locked up after the media?
“Liberal dictators never seem to show much gratitude to their supporters.”
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What more proof is needed that he/she is off her/his meds and has been in the cool-aid.
Re:
“It always makes me laugh when these clowns cite ‘The Koch Brothers.
“They are pikers compared to George Soros in terms of contributions to political parties and causes.”
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Tu Quoque much?
Why not avoid diversionary tactics and talk actual substance? All this sandbox name calling is very, very boring.
Claiming that the accusers or their associates are guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. Deal with the truth or falsehood of the original charge or explain why it is not a wrong or of concern.
Think about it.
If “a” does “$”
and if “b” does “$”
And if doing “$” is “OK” for “a” : then doing “$” is “OK” for “b”, also.
OTOH, if doing “$” is “BAD” for “a” : then doing “$” is “BAD” for “b”, also.
Therefore, you are either saying that:
1 — It is “OK” for BOTH the Koch Brothers and George Soros to make large contributions to political parties and causes.
or
2 — It is “BAD” for BOTH the Koch Brothers and George Soros to make large contributions to political parties and causes.
Ergo by using a Tu Quoque rhetorical distraction, you have either condemned your own wing or exonerated the opposite wing.
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FWIIW, I think that having the worst government money can buy is bad — very bad. A curse on both their houses.
How I pray for serious campaign reform.
I read this and just couldn’t help but ask, “What’s the difference between a ‘legitimate’ and ‘illegitimate’ rape?? Are people really this stupid??
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/todd-akin-legitimate-rape.php
Make his logo R-MONEY?
Yeah, if he wants to look like the dorkiest rapper-wannabe of all time.
“What’s the difference between a ‘legitimate’ and ‘illegitimate’ rape??”
Ron,
Todd Akin is an incredible dope. It blows my mind that he’s polling higher in Missouri than Sen. Claire McCaskill.
The other day, he was suggesting that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 needs to be repealed, and the Voting Rights Act, too. Now, this former steel plant manager is suddenly an expert in conception (he said women who are raped DON’T get pregnant, except very rarely, because some something about the rape prevents conception.
Has Romney endorsed him yet? Just curious. . .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/19/paul-ryan-bush-stimulus_n_1803761.htm
Doh! Poor Ryan…all his gutless hypocrisy out for everyone to see.
“Conservatives have routinely mocked Vice President Joe Biden for arguing that in order to reduce the deficit in the long run, the government needs to spend more now; that sentiment is lampooned in a recent pro-Republican campaign ad. But Biden’s analysis — that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term — is one that Ryan himself articulated cogently back when the GOP was urging stimulus. Ryan called such stimulus a “constructive answer” worked out on “a bipartisan basis.” Opponents of stimulus, Ryan said, ought to “drop the demagoguery.”
Indeed, Ryan. Drop the demagoguery!
#59 This doofus is polling ahead? OMG.
Two things I noticed today. First, it appears that Roanoke County had so badly mismanaged things that they might have to close ANOTHER school. Astounding.
Second, a member of city council in a city as conservative and Republican as Salem is so fed up with state Repubs screwing localities and then declaring their fiscal conservatism that she finally had to write a column for the “liberal” RT blasting Bobby McD. She rightly points out that all of these “surpluses” have come at great cost to localities like Salem and are being paid for by city citizens. Good job, Lisa Garst.
Don’t have time tonight for much more than reading a bit…
Looks like the left is in “full spin” desperation mode…
Very interesting…
Not for nothin’ Terps, but 4 years of Suzie et al would make anyone on earth “shrill and unhinged”. Dan has remarkable poise in dealing with the lies, insults and distortions that the right wingers parrot like irritating myna birds!
Suzie whines and compares: “It always makes me laugh when these clowns cite ‘The Koch Brothers. They are pikers compared to George Soros in terms of contributions to political parties and causes.”
That would ALMOST work as a comparison IF Soros’ contributions were mainly to candidates and mainly to buy influence for his wealth and power protection like the Koch brothers et al. That is simply not the truth of the matter however. Soros’ contributions are mainly for causes and efforts to help people much more so than candidates and NOTHING about what Dems do in office will benefit him and he knows it. If you need to compare, Soros is a social activist using his money working for a better world, and the Koch brothers and the other right wing moneybags are snakes in the grass paying for candidates and legislation that benefits them.
You can do anything you want with your money, except buy the government. Why that escapes you supposed Constitutionalists is very telling.
Just received a poll call from the so called “Independent Voter Research”, guess Romney is counting his Virginia chickens…happy to help them out.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/romney-camp-tapped-volunteers-for-deceptive-polling-effort-in-michigan-20120215
I got that call the other night, Sandi. If you tell them you’re voting for Romeny, they’ll call you back in November and ask if you need a ride to the polls! I’m going to request the Romney campaign send a stretch limo to take me from Tillet Road to Raleigh Court Elementary, so I can vote.
So….today RCP has Obama leading nationally, leading in the battleground states, and crushing in the electoral college. Just like yesterday. And last week. And last month.
There’s “desperation” afoot all right.
(Reuters) – A judge in the election battleground state of Pennsylvania on Wednesday rejected an effort to block the state’s voter identification law, which civil rights groups argued discriminates against minority voters.
Two striking things about this story. First of course is a judge eliminating Democrats’ primary source of election fraud. Second is the reference to the normally dark-blue Pennsylvania as a “battleground state”.
http://news.yahoo.com/pennsylvania-judge-denies-challenge-states-voter-id-law-141100233.html
We could be looking at a landslide in the double-digits here, folks.
Just received a poll call from the so called “Independent Voter Research”
This squares with my hunch. A couple of years ago, I related the story of my hearing a woman likely from NW City lamenting how the “pollin’” people keep bothering her, while neither I nor none in my wide circle of friends could ever recall having been contacted by Reuters, Gallup CBS/New York Times, ABC, Reuters, Pew, or any of these polls, asking us which candidate we supported.
The truth is, Democrat dimwits are disproportionately represented in the polls, and this accounts for their seven percent swing to the left. It’s all designed to sway elections, of course. Has there been any presidential election the past three decades in which the Democrat didn’t supposedly have a sizable lead at some point during the summer? Maybe with the exception of Mondull.
Speaking of Ryan’s position on the stimulus [although voting for TARP and the auto industry bailout while now trying to distance himself from those FACTS]
Ryan, the tea party’s “darling” railed against “bailout” money, as government wasteful spending. In the past he has said he never requested stimulus money for his constituents in Wisconsin:
Ryan said that he “ould not vote against something “then write to the government to ask them to send us money.”
“I did not request any stimulus money,” he continued.
http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/08/16/ryan/WEMawbCVyVTq2qi0pyBheK/story.html
Ummm, yeah you did:
However, as the Boston Globe has reported in the same article:
“In 2009, as Rep. Paul D. Ryan was railing against President Obama’s $787 billion stimulus package as a ‘wasteful spending spree,’ he wrote at least four letters to Obama’s secretary of energy asking that millions of dollars from the program be granted to a pair of Wisconsin conservation groups, according to documents obtained by the Globe.”
“The advocacy appeared to pay off; both groups were awarded the economic recovery funds — one receiving a $20 million grant to help thousands of local businesses and homes improve their energy efficiency, agency documents show.”
I hope the republican hypocrisy will be ending in November – the lies and distortions are already getting old fast and coming daily.
#70 Just to continue pointing out suzie’s pathological lying, Pennsylvania Repubs admitted in court that they have absolutely no evidence whatsoever of any pattern of fraud involving people showing up at the polls and c;aimed they are who they aren’t. The Repubs own national investigation of the “problem” revealed no problem. They do, however, admit, that absentee ballots are the source of a considerable amount of fraud. And absentee ballots pretty much always favor Repubs.
SO, the the most common form of voter fraud favors Repubs and Repubs have done nothing at all to clean that up. Meanwhile, they’re “cleaning up” fraud that they admit doesn’t really exist.
And suzie is a proven liar once more.
This is an interesting piece on what Congressman Ryan thinks provides him with foreign policy creds. I guess it is better than being able to see Russia from your front porch. God help us.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-wrong-kind-of-experience-paul-ryans-big-foreign-policy-credential/
Some of you may be too young to remember Bull Conner. Nonetheless, this cartoon linked below is an apt description of the voter suppression efforts of the GOP in Pennsylvania, Florida & several other states.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-wrong-kind-of-experience-paul-ryans-big-foreign-policy-credential/
Sorry I got the wrong link in my 9:38 post. Here’s the correct one.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-spirit-of-bull-conner-returns/
And suzie is a proven liar once more.
Oh wow. Gdad just made up a pile of manure and pretends it disproves something I never said.
So….today RCP has Obama leading nationally, leading in the battleground states
Not one drop of blue in any of the so-called battleground states. None leaning 0bama. None.
“Not one drop of blue in any of the so-called battleground states. None leaning 0bama. None.”
There also is not one drop of red in any of the so-called battleground states on RCP. They intentionally color the “toss-up” states gray. And their definition of “toss up” is way broader than just about anybody else’s btw.
For example, the notion that Romney will win Wisconsin is patently ridiculous. On RCP it’s colored gray. The same is true of North Carolina, where Romney clearly has the edge.
But there are light blue (leaning Obama) and light red (leaning Romney) states on its map. Suzie is incorrect about that, which means she either is colorblind or she’s lying.
#77 Sorry, toots, you made up this lie: “…Democrats’ primary source of election fraud.”
Repubs admitted in court they have no evidence of such fraud.
For years, mental health professionals, not to mention the regulars of this blog, have been unable to pinpoint the exact cause of suz’s mental condition.
Until now.
After exhaustive research, I have finally figured out why suz appears to be a little “touched” in the head. Yup, yours truly has unlocked one the the greatest mysteries of our time; folks, I’ve just figure out that suz can’t add.
And unlike the psychosocial specialists before me who have been unable to properly diagnose gurl, I’m also going to provide the solution to cure the ol’ gurl.
To begin, I was able to deduce that suz can’t add by reading her slow witted and clueless response this morning that follows;
#78, “Not one drop of blue in any of the so-called battleground states. None leaning 0bama. None.”
Comment by Suzie — August 20, 2012 @ 10:58 am
Using the information she included in her response led me to visit the RCP website to investigate the source of suz’s befuddlement when it hit me; suz has been relaying on the use of primary colors instead of simple athematic to interpret statistical data. This phenomenon is demonstrated by her total and complete inability to use clearly identifiable information obvious to even a home schooled 3rd grader. At this point I’m sure my discovery is painfully obvious to most people but of course it’s also safe to assume that suz has absolutely no idea what I’m talking about.
Thus, I have thoughtfully provided an educational work around that suz should be able to utilize as a tool to assist her in overcoming her basic mathematical deficiency;
I’m gonna’ go kind of slow for your benefit, suz. Try to keep up, please.
-click on the blue thingy below
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/
-Now, look over on the right side of the web page for a big red heading that says “Election 2012 Battle for the White House”
-On the second from the last line, you will find three red hyperlinks (I’ll explain later; I don’t want to confuse you any more than you already are) that each have abbreviations in them; those are groups of the “battle ground” states which will decide the 2012 presidential election between Romney and your current Commander in Chief, President Obama. Notice that each set has grouping of four states.
- Now take out a piece of paper and a pencil. Suz, this next part is really important; make sure the pencil is sharp and that the paper doesn’t already have anything written on it. We’re going to show you a complicate process called “addition” that apparently you’ve never seen before so I want to make sure this is as simple as I can make it for you. Draw a big line all the way down the center of the page and write “President Obama” in the upper left side and “Romney” on the right side
-Click on the first set first; It has Ohio, Florida, Virginia and Iowa in it. Notice when you do that it populates those states on the left hand of the bottom of that box. Now look to the right side of the box (this would be the same side as the hand you are most likely to have the pencil in) and count how many of these states have President Obama polling in. If you have to put the pencil down to use your fingers it’s okay. Did you count four? Good gurl. Now write the number four (4) under President Obama’s name on your piece of paper.
-Now click on the second grouping of abbreviations. Notice again how the left side of the box populates with North Carolina, Nevada, Colorado, and Missouri (Magic!). Things are gonna’ get a little tricky now so pay attention; look on the right side and see where Romney is polling ahead in North Carolina and Missouri but President Obama is ahead in Nevada and Colorado. Can you guess how many states each candidate is polling ahead in these four states without using your fingers? Did you count 2 states each? Good gurl! Now put two (2) on the box under Romney and two (2) under President Obama.
-Now click on the abbreviations on the right and see how Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan and New Hampshire populate the left side of the box again (Magic again!). Now count up how many states are polling for Romney and President Obama. Did you get four (4) for President Obama and zero (0) for Romney? You did? You are such a smart gurl! Steve C is so proud of you! Now put 4 under President Obama on the left side of the paper.
- Now comes the hard part. I want you to add up all the numbers of the Battleground states that President Obama is polling ahead in and how many Romney is ahead in (Hint; you will need both hands for this step). Did you get ten for President Obama and two for Romney? You are such a smart gurl! As a reward, we’re going to let you go to the Golden Carroll tonight and let you lick all the sneeze protectors at the food trough! Yea suz!
Suz, I know this lesson was an exercise in frustration for you but hopefully now you can start to look at statistical evidence presented in a non-pie chart format in a whole new perspective. If nothing else at least the rest of us finally know what’s wrong with you and can began to immediately implement accommodations for your short comings.
This has been a truly great day for the advancement of the psychosocial sciences thanks to your truly. I am humbled by my accomplishments here today but I also appreciate the gratitude the readers of Dan’s blog will undoubtedly bestow upon me for unlocking the secret of suz’s mental deficiency. I would also be honored if one of my fellow regulars would manifest their gratification by completely my application for my McArthur Genius grant and have it ready for my signature. Thanks in advance!
But there are light blue (leaning Obama) and light red (leaning Romney) states on its map. Suzie is incorrect about that, which means she either is colorblind or she’s lying.
And of course, that’s not what I said. I said there is no trace of blue in any of the battleground states. Amazing how imprecise Dan is for a so-called ‘journaiist’.
“And of course, that’s not what I said. I said there is no trace of blue in any of the battleground states. Amazing how imprecise Dan is for a so-called ‘journaiist’.”
AND, there is no trace of red in any of those battleground states. There is no trace of red, or blue, because RCP colors the battleground states gray.
Which means absolutely squat.
Most ill-informed – sorry to burst your illusionary bubble but according to Real Clear Politics – the current electoral map has Obama @ 237; Romney @ 191.
You understand that those numbers portend a loss for RoMoney don’t you?
SteveC, I think all of those hard numbers went right over Susie’s head. I wonder what else she needs color-coded to comprehend…I’m thinking Garanimals in the closet.
Which means absolutely squat.
Um, well it does because your birdbrained friend Kristen had been clucking how Idiot Boy is leading in the battleground states, and it turns out he isn’t. Like you said. They’re gray. Which means ‘toss-up’.
OBAMA BETTER FOR WORLD ECONOMY: POLL
“Twice as many business executives around the world say the global economy will prosper better if incumbent President Barack Obama wins the next election than if his Republican challenger Mitt Romney does, a poll showed on Friday.”
Democrat Obama was chosen by 42.7 percent in the 1,700 respondent poll, compared with 20.5 percent for Romney. The rest said ‘neither’.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/17/us-usa-election-poll-idINBRE87G07D20120817
Obama is leading in some of the RCP toss up states. Romney is leading in some. That has nothing to do with what color RCP makes them on their map. The color has more to do with the size of the lead than anything else.
You’re just flat out making this stuff up, like usual. You’re not worth my time any more.
Dan@87
When was she ever worth your time or anybody elses’s for that matter.
SteveC@81
Nice job there but I’m afraid it was all for nothing. When Suzie went to school they were still using a slate and a piece of chalk..
#85,
Maybe you are right, Kristen; there’s 12 battleground states and she’s only got ten fingers.
Hope springs eternal…
It’s easy enough to figure out which states Obama’s leading in. They’re listed, with tricky little numbers next to them. I never said anything about what “colors” the states are, because I assumed incorrectly that ostensible adults with ostensible engineering degrees could crack that code. Guess not.
Re: Comment by dave — August 20, 2012 @ 4:02 pm
Good point.
I did ignore him/her for awhile.
Then started commenting on the comments of others in reply to her/him. Then got sucked back into reading and commenting directly on his/her comments.
Waste of time. Might be time to back off.
However, before I do, I have a question. Some time back he/she was devastated by and lamenting the lose of her/his gardener. Did she/he ever report the return of replacement of that gardener?
DaveH@93
My experience was the same. And the more you ignored he/he/it the louder and more unhinged it became. The effort to get other bloggers to ignore he/she/it was a lost cause. And the promised change in the RT blogosphere which allows for blocking out individual posts never materialized, along with virtually every other promised improvement except for getting rid of the hated captcha code.
I thought trolls had only eight fingers.
Maybe you are right, Kristen; there’s 12 battleground states and she’s only got ten fingers.
Hope springs eternal.
Steve has big problems counting when a number gets bigger than 21. Or is it 20? LOL.
most ill-informed @96 – your obsession with states whether southern or battleground is misplaced. You should be more concerned with the stats from the electoral college numbers.
I tried to “educate” you on a previous thread, but as usual you have an aversion to FACTS: 270 Electoral Votes Needed To Win the Presidency. The current tallly:
President Obama [237] – Toss Ups [110] – Romney [191]
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
It doesn’t matter how a candidate gets to the 270 votes, only that they reach that number…understand?
Suzie:
“Steve has big problems counting when a number gets bigger than 21. Or is it 20? LOL.”
I bet you could count to an intermittent 23 or 24 on the right evening.