The Post of the Day is about Mitt Romney’s secret tax returns
Grafic by Dan
(Note from Dan: Richard J. Beason, who knows more about taxes than most, weighs in with a fine little rant on why Mitt Romney’s tax returns matter in the context of presidential politics.)
Mitt Romney could have easily avoided paying any U.S. income tax with his offshore companies. That is the loophole Congress continues to allow the wealthy investment bankers. The fact that it is legal to take advantage of this loophole does not make a whole lot of difference to me.
Mitt is running for the leader of our Nation and has been for more than eight years. If he did not have the sense, patriotism, and lack of greed to put his faith in our Nation and stop avoiding paying taxes by using aggressive loopholes then he obviously is a poor politician, leader, and cares nothing about public perception of our tax system.
He simply believes he is above paying taxes and as such tells us all that we too should not pay taxes. Yet we know that does not work and in fact his economic plan will make the middle class pay more taxes while he and his investment bankers pay less. He wants to take away college tuition credits, he wants to take away the mortgage deduction, he wants to take away the medical deduction so seniors in nursing homes pay more taxes.
Mitt shows that he believes only the ultra wealthy should pay no taxes and that the middle class should pay more. That is the point of his taking advantage of tax loopholes for the last ten years.
In spite of running for President during this whole period, Mitt could not bring himself to be a leader and show how he is paying his part of the nation’s taxes. He could have easily brought his businesses back to the US and paid his fair share and shown what a patriot he is. Instead he shows us that wealth has its privileges and the rest of us should just kiss their asses.
August 2, 2012 - 1:30 PM
why dont you look into all of bammys secrets, like his school info, school loan info, etc..cant do that canya, its secret, secret bammyboy shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I wonder what Mitt has to hide. Guess we’ll never know.
In other news, Obama’s lead is trending upwards. If he’s lucky Rmoney will take a few more overseas jaunts. If we’re all lucky…Rmoney will just stay overseas and keep his money company.
One question Richard – Do you “take advantage” of any tax loopholes?
What about your clients?
And if so – why is it ok for you to legally use the system to your advantage but wrong for Romney, or any other person for that matter, to do so?
Are any of your clients among the “wealthy”?
Mitt will do just fine….but boy, doesn`t that Chik-fil-A taste GREAT ? Record Global sales…When I get my business up and running, I want everyone to know I`m 100% pro-lifer…then watch it grow, by leaps and bounds ! Great to see the Christians across this Country come together !
Romney could have evaded paying his taxes. Show some proof that he did and then shoot your mouth off.
Yes Doto…nothing says Pro Life Christian like deep fried fast food. Darwin working again.
I’m impressed by Jeff’s comments regarding Chik-fil-A. Nothing like using Jesus as a marketing tool! Good luck with that corner you’re praying on. You already have your reward.
Excellent post. If Romney has nothing to hide, why doesn’t he come forward and put the issue to rest?
will, Jeff Doto, Kathy and all the rest of the cheerleaders for Rmoney.
You think Romney paid his fair share of taxes? Less than 14% on $42 million is “fair”? Heck, I pay about 25%, and sorry to say, not on millions! Romney used every one of the Bush tax cuts [for the wealthiest Americans] to avoid paying taxes while the rest of us have to pick-up the tab for that lost revenue. Who do you think makes up budget shortfalls?
So, Rmoney cheerleaders, how many Swiss accounts, Bermuda and Cayman Island tax shelters do you own? How many years did you NOT pay taxes? I would bet your answers will be NONE.
Corporate elites like Rmoney have determined that they can make MORE money by laying off, outsourcing, union busting and pension raiding – and they then send that money outside of the country…you know, “shelter” it from taxes. Taxes are for “you people” – not the likes of the Romneys. Unless you are in the .01% – 1%, you should be horrified and angry – if you aren’t, then stop your constant whining about your tax burden, or about paying taxes at all. You and all the teabaggers who complain about paying too much to the government please, just smile while you pay more and the wealthiest [like Rmoney] pay less. He and his ilk will continue to rob from middle America, play hide and seek with their money, while plundering wage earners and closing American companies. Since you champion his hiding his money in offshore tax havens to ensure little to no tax burden – take your medicine [more taxes] like grownups…
In his own words, Willard Romney: “I pay all the taxes that are legally required, and not a dollar more.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/mitt-romney-made-42-million-paid-14-percent/story?id=15423615#.UBraL6DzYs4
Yes, Legal vs Ethical; Legal vs Moral; Legal vs Patriotic – okay, I have the measure of the man now.
What’s Obama doing with our taxpayer money?
Chick-fil-A 2 days in a row! GRILLED Chicken rocks!
Tax disclosure..
I think we can fairly ask for his “Worth Certificate”
to be provided whether we go to Hawaii or Switzerland
to find it.
Really Dan? That sort of crap gets through?
Debbie’s correct. This blog has become a sewer. Maybe RWers throwing around terms like that will be great for your page views…y’all have fun.
YAWN…. This poor old horse getting beaten again…
Since, by now, everyone should know that the man paid his legal tax burden or Obama’s IRS would be all over him. Even Richard acknowledges this, but it “does not make a whole lot of difference to” him.
Richard goes on to say that Romney “could not bring himself to be a leader and show how he is paying his part of the nation’s taxes” (are these the same taxes Richard already acknowledged were paid?).
In one sentence Richard projects that Romney is a “poor politician” because he did not (when knowingly running for office) attempt to “trick” Americans by changing the amount he might pay in taxes.
Had he done so, for political gain, that would speak volumes about his integrity. Personally, I don’t want another lifelong “politician” leading this country. One peek at the last 3 ½ years might explain.
In another sentence Richard notes that Romney “tells us all that we too should not pay taxes” and later says “he believes only the ultra wealthy should pay no taxes and that the middle class should pay more”; anyone else see an inconsistency there?
Richard questions Romney’s “sense, patriotism” greediness, “faith in our nation and suggests that he wants to take away virtually everything from everyone and top it off with screwing the people in nursing homes. All of
Richard’s gratuitous assertions fall well short of truth.
From a man who deals with facts and figures for a living, more “facts” and less “figures (verb)” might be expected.
In summary Richard wants a politician who will lie to the American people, do anything and tell anyone anything to get elected and allow our country to follow the likes of Greek economy; all for his own narcissistic purposes. Well I suppose we know who Richard will vote for in November.
For me; I will take a man, with integrity and honesty, who knows economics and how to “take care” of the people he works for (Americans).
Vote Dan… Nobember 6th 2012… (I am Dan Casey and I approve this message)…lol
Shrill,
Re: “Yes, Legal vs Ethical; Legal vs Moral; Legal vs Patriotic – okay, I have the measure of the man now”
Remember you are talking about all of Richard’s clients.
And a simple question… when you signed your tax form, were there any “deductions” on it or did you pay taxes on your gross earnings?
No need to reply, I am sure we all know you took at least one of those nasty unethical, immoral, unpatriotic deductions…
Are we to assume everyone who abides by the tax laws and does not pay on “gross earnings” is unethical, immoral and unpatriotic?
I think the crickets are about to chirp…
Sorry Kristen. That one got by me. It’s trashed now.
Mike O …
You can yawn all u want…
but you are likely to sleep through the
fireworks..
Stay tuned…the faucet has only started to drip.
…”Worth Certificate” anyone?
Kathy …
Ever heard of a term called lying by omission??
Lying by omission…Also known as a continuing misrepresentation, a lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. Lying by omission includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions.
These are the two guys we need to be listening to.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/morning-joe/47548926#47548926
“Why dysfunctional gov’t. is worse than it looks
Author Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein join Morning Joe to discuss their new book “It’s Even Worse Than it Looks,” which takes a look at why our government is dysfunctional.“
#12 Had to have been Dolto, whatever it was.
#14 – mike o – Do you have a Swiss bank account?
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/01/26/10244809-romney-revising-disclosures-for-overseas-accounts?lite
A Cayman Island tax shelter? Any Bermuda shell companies?
http://www.alternet.org/rss/breaking_news/1026300/despite_denial,__records_show_romney_owned_bermuda_shell_corporation_before_forming_blind_trust/
Have you lied about where you lived so you could get a $54,000 Utah resident tax credit, then proclaim you really didn’t live there so you could run for governor of Massachusetts?
http://www.boston.com/news/daily/25/romney_decision.htm
Get back to me on those issues. For my part, never cheated on my taxes, hid money, or lied about my residency…how about you?
If failing to report Swiss accounts is no big deal which seems to be your premise [not to even mention it being unethical] please explain why Romney had to adjust his income reporting, not only just recently, but in the past after certain facts came to light…I guess if no one knows what he is doing it is all okay. If he gets caught, the accountant did it!
Will I answered that question in the original post. Check it out.
Mike O – What are you talking about? Do you have any idea of Mitt’s tax plan for you? Your taxes are going up under Mitt, so if that is taking care of you, go for it. As for Mitt tricking the voters, that seems to be his plan. Mitt took advantage of the most agressive tax moves a citizen can make. Legal? Maybe, from what I have read, in a very very dark gray area. Do I want my President to be so concerned about saving his 15% tax on his millions that he would walk on the edge of legality? No, no, no. Like I hold a preacher to a higher standard, I hold my President to one as well. I don’t want a preacher who commits adultery, nor do I want a President who is more concerned about saving taxes than being forthright to the public.
Mike O – It is a shame you talk economics when you do not understand the Greek economy, our economy, and the vast differences.
Mitt shows that he believes only the ultra wealthy should pay no taxes and that the middle class should pay more.
Romney pays millions of dollars a year in federal taxes, moron. The top 5% pay over 60% of the federal taxes, yet you think they should pay even more.
You think Romney paid his fair share of taxes? Less than 14% on $42 million is “fair”? Heck, I pay about 25%,
No, that’s not fair that Mitt pays $6 million while you pay only a few thousand. Good point.
If Willard Romney only took advantage of every tax allowance, incentive, deduction etc that is legally allowed, then what is the big deal with sharing at least the 6 years of tax filings that Obama did and many others have? Granted Kerry and McCain had the rich wives who needed to be shielded since they were not running but I think the Romney’s have nothing of the kind.
The problem, and the reason he does not want to show them is not that he did anything “wrong” or illegal, it is that he will be the poster child for how unfair and beneficial to the wealthy the tax structure put in place by the best politicians their money can buy, will be shown to be. An Exxon or GE not paying taxes is one thing, a Treasury Secretary making a tax “error” he had to rectify is one thing, a Presidential candidate benefiting from the very tax structure Saint Reagan railed against is all together another thing!
“The nation is still recovering from a crushing recession that sent unemployment hovering above nine percent for two straight years. The president, mindful of soaring deficits, is pushing bold action to shore up the nation’s balance sheet. Cloaking himself in the language of class warfare, he calls on a hostile Congress to end wasteful tax breaks for the rich. “We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share,” he thunders to a crowd in Georgia. Such tax loopholes, he adds, “sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary – and that’s crazy.”
Preacherlike, the president draws the crowd into a call-and-response. “Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver,” he demands, “or less?”
The crowd, sounding every bit like the protesters from Occupy Wall Street, roars back: “MORE!”
The year was 1985. The president was Ronald Wilson Reagan“.
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-the-rich-20111109#ixzz22QsozwDU
Utahans get a $54,000 resident tax credit? Really?
Who woulda thunk?
WAY TO GO, Orrin Hatch!
Jethro Dodo, I’d be shocked if you could start up a lemonade stand by yourself. Let’s set your sights a bit more realistically and work on mastering those Velcro shoe laces first.
I’m still looking for a slack jawed simp to mow my grass, though. $40 bucks twice a month under the table and it’s on the bus line, too. Come on over and get your inner entrepreneur on. You can even use my mower but you’ll have to sign a disclaimer; can’t have you getting wacky on the pipe and then chopping your foot off and lawyering up on my deed. Anywho, it would be a great way for you to work off all the extra LBs you packed on at the CFA these past two days.
Let me know.
Richard,
Some of the “aggressive tax strategies” Romney urged the Marriott Corp. to take, when he was head of their board’s audit committee, were not legal. And Marriott paid through the nose for those.
Dan, at least we know where you stand on the political side, no wonder your subscribers to your liberal rag is on the decline, every time I go to Kroger someone is trying to give me a free paper and sign me up. My response is, yes if you can have more pictures of Oblamer so my bird has something to aim at and it vastly improves the pic.
Secret Tax Returns? I thought ALL tax returns were secret and PRIVATE.
I think we can all be secure in the concept that Mitt’s taxes have been carefully reviewed by “many” for many years.
New subject: Obama sends Winston Churchill’s oval office bust back to UK — what’s up with that?—–Obama And The Churchill Bust
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http://roanokeslant.blogspot.com/2012/08/obama-and-churchill-bust.html
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” If Romney has nothing to hide, why doesn’t he come forward and put the issue to rest?”
If Obama has nothing to hide, why doesn’t he come forward and put the issue to rest?
“What’s Obama doing with our taxpayer money?”
Trying to make sure as many people as possible have healthcare coverage for when those chicken sandwiches lead to heart attacks, diabetes, obesity, etc.
Henry, Obama already has released his tax returns. Just like every other major party nominee (and some primary contenders) since 1968.
Except for Mitt Romney.
Henry, Obama already has released his tax returns. Just like every other major party nominee (and some primary contenders) since 1968.
medical records?
school records?
Some of the “aggressive tax strategies” Romney urged the Marriott Corp. to take, when he was head of their board’s audit committee, were not legal. And Marriott paid through the nose for those.
Oh sorry. Marriott’s use of those tax shelters WERE legal at the time. They predated the change in the law. But since Dan isn’t really a journalist, he doesn’t care if he reports facts or not.
Post of the Day? Not. Propaganda? Yes. The present administration has already hung the largest tax increase in history on us with the partisan,
100% liberal, Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). The nasties part of this horrible legislation were deviantly left to kick in after the 2012 election. IMHO, an elected representative who then votes for a bill without reading same all the time knowing that a majority of their constituents oppose said bill has not represented his constituents but
rather unrepresented them. Such an individual is unrelectable to any
future office…like Perrielo, Warner, Webb and a host of others.
The goal of every paid tax preparer is always minimum tax under the law. One is free to donate to the IRS but I don’t hear of anyone doing so…maybe it has something to do with the $55 billion in erroneous refunds that have been recently paid by the IRS or the $44 million in bonuses paid by the GSA for overseeing trillion dollar deficits made by the most corrupt administration in the history of the United States.
BTW; Obamacare will provide us 16,000 new IRS agents (320 per state; 50 not 57); unless we get rid of this terrible administration and repeal this horrible tax increase.
Why don’t we blog about college records next Dan?
Sandi@25…what’s your take on Charlie Rangel? You may have spoken to soon about tax cheat Timmy as the LIBOR scandal is coming to light and
he was neck deep in same.
Have to say this is fun. Hope I can figure out how a CPA can endorse anything that this administration has done to the economy…or believe they inherited the mess when the last two years of the Bush administration were years were Democrats controlled both the House and the
Senate and therefore all policy making and spending. Obamanomics=LOSER.
New subject: Is your blog that full of bunk all the time Mr. Hagen>
The bust of Sir Winston Churchill, by Sir Jacob Epstein, was lent to the George W Bush administration from the UK’s Government Art Collection, for the duration of the Presidency. When that administration came to an end so did the loan; the bust now resides in the British Ambassador’s Residence in Washington DC. The White House collection has its own Epstein bust of Churchill, which President Obama showed to Prime Minister Cameron when he visited the White House in March.
I believe the reasons Romney want release his tax returns are because it would prove he was still with Bain after 1999 and it would prove that he has paid a very low percentage of taxes or none at all for money overseas.
Ken,,,
When you purposly try to be cute and disrespectful
by mangling the chief executives name it gives
an overall impression..It brings to mind a truck
with gun racks, Confererate flags, and inadequate
dental insurance.
Im sure thats not what you really want to portray.
His name is Obama…its not really that hard to spell.
And it does absolutely nothing to elevate the discussion..
It just labels you before you get to the first verb.
Everyone will be talking about Romney’s tax return issue right on up until November 6th until the country’s entire media calls the race for Obama once they color-in the map to include his wins in Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, and finally Ohio and Virginia.
“Newt Gingrich on Tuesday questioned why Mitt Romney has not released his tax returns, arguing that if the front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination has nothing to hide, he ought to make the documents public before South Carolina holds its first-in-the-South primary on Saturday.
“Either there’s nothing there, so why isn’t he releasing them, or there’s something there, so why is he hiding them?” Gingrich told reporters here after holding a town hall at an art gallery. “I believe we have the right to know. Therefore, he owes us the knowledge. If there’s nothing there, why not release it this week?”
He warned that if there is a problem in the tax returns, President Obama’s campaign will discover it during the general-election campaign.
“You do not want a nominee who blows up in September, because in September you have no choice,” Gingrich said. “If somebody has a fatal weakness, you better find out about it before they get the nomination.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan/18/news/la-pn-gingrich-romney-tax-returns-20120117
Enter Sarah and The Donald.
Fire up the bus honey.
One question Richard – Do you “take advantage” of any tax loopholes?
What about your clients?
And if so – why is it ok for you to legally use the system to your advantage but wrong for Romney, or any other person for that matter, to do so?
Great post, will. Why would anybody go to an accountant who didn’t fight tooth and nail to get them all the deductions they’re legally entitled to?
Dan, Romney surely failed the Marriott Corporation while on the Board. His powerful business acumen that also kept the Marriott hiring illegals instead of self deporting them. Mitt has so many skeletons in his closet, you just keep waiting for him to come out.
I guess that is why the RWers on here cannot defend Romney, their only reply is to criticize Obama about things that have been proven incorrect and inaccurate. Suzie is the only one on here that can find reasons to love Mitt Romney and they are the very reasons most people cannot stand him. Like Suzie, Mitt believes he is elite. Mitt apparently believes that paying taxes is only for everyone else.
23. Suzie – Before calling someone a moron you should check you statistics on federal taxes. Of the 2.5 trillion in federal revenue, the top 5% pay less than .8 trillion, yet they hold nearly all the assets of the country, and most of the Country’s expenditures are made to protect them. A more realistic tax based on their income, control of assets, and cost to protect would be 95% of the government revenue of 2.5 trillion. The middle class continues to subsidize the top 5% by paying more than its share of federal taxes.
Richard, succinct and maddingly (to conservatives) accurate post. That the tax loopholes the wealthiest use are legal is cold comfort. Legality is the lowest form of ethical behavior. Mr. Romney is a decent man, I think, but I do not want him in the presidency. He represents a government ideal – tax cuts that ultimately profoundly benefit the wealthy and trickle down economics – that has wrecked the US economy. Presidents Reagan and Bush presided over an unprecedented transfer of wealth from the poor and middle classes to the extremely wealthy, and Mr. Romney has given every indication he will continue on that same course. I pay taxes, and I am happy to do so. I generally think I get an good return on that tax dollar, because it benefits me and my community.
This blog is plain stupid…..just like you idiots who think Obumma is going to save the USA…..my ass! Just watch your income from his “mandates” shrink in the coming years if re-elected. Quit your bitching either way and VOTE, VOTE, VOTE! Now that’s not so hard is it? Personally, I’ll take Jeff Doto’s posts over most on here b/c he DOES take the time to research what he writes. Need a job? Vote Obumma and see what you get……..maybe a minimum wage one w/o any benefits if lucky. Great posts Jeff! Economy, economy, economy! We are in some deep s**t if this idiot is re-elected in this regard. He has no plans for the economy except to bankrupt this once great nation. Dan Casey, you are an imbecile.
guilty till proven innocent, you guys are surely GREAT Americans.
I could list the number of liberal media outlets but lets be clear, MSNBC/Chris Matthews and Rolling Stone are 2 of the most biased in the “industry” when it comes to politics. Broaden your horizons Sandi, it may keep you from being narrow-minded.
With Barack as President you don’t think there is not a whole wing at the IRS going through every return since Romney actually started earning a dollar?? Yeah Romney actually has had a job and earned money. What a novel approach.
For something to actually get fired up about did you see actual unemployment (the U_6) is 20.1% in California and 18% in Nevada??? Sandi the only bust we need to talk about is Barack Hussein Obama. Sorry Dan more facts don’t mean to clutter your blog with them. Sorry.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48468748
Leon, do you always argue with lies and distortions or are we special?
It is a lie that the “present administration has already hung the largest tax increase in history on us with the partisan, 100% liberal, Affordable Care Act (Obamacare)”. It is simply and completely a lie. Since tax avoidance is such a rampant mantra for the TP/GOP, this one is easily avoidable. They WANT you to avoid it.
If you believe “an elected representative who then votes for a bill without reading same all the time knowing that a majority of their constituents oppose said bill has not represented his constituents but
rather unrepresented them” then you are against the majority of the TP/GOP folks in Congress as well. Good call. Omnibus bills and reconciliation are their specialty and if you believe they read “The Patriot Act” or any other bills, you are dreaming!
Actually, the “goal of every paid tax preparer is” to accurately and legally report your income and deductions. Making it into a tax avoidance scheme cheapens their profession. They know the law and they use it to their client’s advantage just as an attorney does. That is why the purchase of politicians and legislation that wrote (and revises) the tax code is so vital to the wealthy and why the TP/GOP is their handmaiden.
Millions are donated to the IRS as a matter of fact.
BTW, this is not “the most corrupt administration in the history of the United States” that is yet another lie. What is with you people? Propaganda will obviously rot your brain like Meth!
Sure we will “blog about college records” right after Romney releases his tax records!
Leon, I am thankful that Charlie Rangel is not my Congressman. I am also thankful that Ted Stevens wasn’t. I am thankful that Randy Cunningham wasn’t. I am also thankful that Ensign, Vitter, Craig, and many others I could name, never “represented” me.
Oh Leon, of course you can’t “figure out how a CPA can endorse anything that this administration has done”, that is because “garbage and lies in, garbage and lies out”. You have fallen for the meme and you can’t get up.
You have proven in one single post that you know nothing of how an economy, a Congress or a nation works. Wow sir, well done! Do some research outside the bubble Leon, the truth really will set you free.
Here’s a great book, just read the introduction and you will be more informed than you have ever been, obviously.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ycKCxduv3xEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:ISBN0465031331
Did Dan have a blog dying to have 10 years of tax returns when the ACTUAL tax cheat who runs the IRS Timothy Geitner when he was given his job? Oh I forgot he is a democrat nominated by Obama.
Kristen: #6 “nothing says Pro Life Christian like deep fried fast food. Darwin working again.” That is good Kristen!!
Obama won’t release his college records because they list him as a foreign student whose education money was paid by foreign terrorists. It must be true because he won’t release them.
If Romney had legal issues with his taxes, the IRS would have already discovered that. Which government body investigates Obama’s college and medical records? Anyone? Bueller? Of course the American media won’t look into their candidate for fear of finding something. But they will resort to fabricating data against Romney like Rather did to Bush.
Wasn’t Mitt Romney born in Mexico? Isn’t it time to see that birth certificate?
“Legality is the lowest form of ethical behavior.”
Nosaj, nice line.
Romney’s done whatever the law allows? In most places, it still allows bath salts.
Where are those Obama college records? What’s he hiding?
Mitt’s Tax Returns, which I’m sure he’ll release 2 years worth, but I could give a flip.
Obama’s is a failure, Mitt id in, and Imma gonna grin!
Hey Dan, why doesn’t the RT go ahead an endorse Obama. Don’t you want to be “transparent” like Obama? BAWA ….AHAHAHA!!!!
In reply to Dan Casey’s more appropriately titled “Rant of the Day” and Mr. Richard J. Beason’s and other “head in the sand” supporters of the current administrations accusations and, tell it like it is, LIES, wake up and smell the roses people before it’s too late. We are speeding down the road to socialism, perhaps communism, and away from America’s foundation and traditions, which includes God and his Word, at warp speed. By the way, for the one who reports 25% in taxes compared to Mitt’s 14%, assuming a $50,000.00 annual income would equal $12,500 in taxes, compared to Mitt’s $5,880,000 in taxes on his 42 million, means it would take 470 taxpayers at $12,500 to equal what Mitt puts in the U. S. Treasury, Go Figure. I’m going to lunch at Chick-fil-A.
“With Barack as President you don’t think there is not a whole wing at the IRS going through every return since Romney actually started earning a dollar?? Yeah Romney actually has had a job and earned money. What a novel approach.”
James Swingle, when has Mitt Romney earned a paycheck like most people in America? I don’t believe he accepted a salary when he saved the Olympics (with taxpayer money, btw) or when he was governor of Massachusetts. Has he ever worked in a filling station, or dug ditches, or washed dishes?
Most of the time what he “earned” was carried interest, that magic form of income that allow someone to pay way, way, way less in taxes than the average Joe.
I am thankful that Michele Bachmann isn’t my representative.
45. Suzie – LMAO – This is where you go when you have no way to defend your candidate as usual.
“Which government body investigates Obama’s college and medical records?”
Sheriff Joe Arpaio! And his “Cold Case” squad!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Joe belongs in prison!
@50
Comment by watchdog
You mean kinda like the birther thing?
James Swingle – actually, Romney would love to have Obama have the IRS go to work. But after Nixon, that is simply not allowed or tolerated.
Interesting that the GOP did not stop the nomination of Tim Geitner. They certainly had the power as shown by their blocking many others. Obviously they knew the US needed his expertise and believed his explanation of his tax problems. End of story.
Of the 2.5 trillion in federal revenue, the top 5% pay less than .8 trillion, yet they hold nearly all the assets of the country
First, that’s nonsense. Second, they have already paid taxes on most of their assets. In the case of property, they pay taxes year after year. Leftwingers want those assets taxes AGAIN through a death tax.
It’s never enough for you people.
Suzie is the only one on here that can find reasons to love Mitt Romney and they are the very reasons most people cannot stand him. Like Suzie, Mitt believes he is elite. Mitt apparently believes that paying taxes is only for everyone else.
How did you feel about John Kerry who had three times the wealth Romney has. But at least Romney earned his. Kerry had to rely on his wife for his wealth, or rather a Republican who earned that wealth then died in a plane crash.
So Kerry never worked, owed his fortune to a Republican and through marriage, and yet you people were totally silent about him. Hypocrites.
Maybe Romney should do like Obama did when he released his birth certificate. Release his tax returns and shut us all up.
I think the second Dilbert strip (2/15/1990) explains a lot when it comes to the “Death Tax”.
http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Inheritance
There she goes again. The Ann and Mitt Romney attitude—–”you people”.
Suggested ad reconfiguration:
Romney – Believe in America
(But put your money in the Cayman Islands)
68. Suzie – that is fact. Perhaps you should look a little deeper. Try adding in all the payroll taxes, excise taxes, sale of federal lands and contracts, corporate income taxes. The middle class pays these either directly or through their purchases of products (remember your party insists all corporate taxes are passed through to the customers), the sale of the federal lands, oil leases, licenses, etc. (95% middle and lower class attribution). You see, your info is simply wrong. Death Taxes?? There is no such thing. Not in the Internal Revenue Code or the Virginia State code.
61. Liniel Gregory – based on your comments and your lunch date, it appears it is you with your head in the sand. Obama is so moderate that he keeps the left wing mad at him. He has even made Bill Clinton look left wing at times. The GOP and TP tag of communism and socialism is, has been, and continues to be fantasy. Obviously, you have little knowledge of what has been done by the Obama Administration, but rather, you are repeating the Rush report. Try reading instead of listening to Rush and Fox, you might learn something original.
its ok that the obuma white house staff owes over $800,000 in back
taxes at this moment. that all federal employees in the us owe more
than $200,000,000 in back taxes. casey, how about releasing your tax
returns for the last five years?
Dan how could the republicans in Congress have blocked anything when democrats had a super majority until 2010??? End of story??? Maybe you should tell the whole story.
Dan about Romney earning a paycheck like all other Americans statement. This is America all individuals start from a different starting line. As long as he follows the law what is the deal with this whole post? Speculating again??? You do not think that someone that is in the public eye for as long as Mitt Romney would not have the IRS comb through his finances like he combs that beautiful hair everyday?? Come on Dan talk about what needs to change in the country, what we need to fix. Not on your jealousy of Romney’s wealth (or is it the hair) or democrat versus republican. We need to fix stuff not go for each other’s jugular. Face it President Obama has not fixed nothing and made the economy and the job picture worse. Far worse.
“So Kerry never worked, owed his fortune to a Republican and through marriage, and yet you people were totally silent about him. Hypocrites.”
So Romney never fought for his country, owed his fortune to the many advantages of his privileged upbringing, and yet you people are totally silent about that. Hypocrites.
There. Fixed it for you.
I wonder how much Mitt scored with credit default swaps, gambling that the market in mortgage bonds would collapse? I guess we’ll never know, because he’s not going to release those tax returns, eh?
Alfred, more than a few are speculating that’s Romney’s game. He’s going to let that crescendo peak, release returns that show nothing wrong, then steal all the thunder from his opponents. And they believe Haley Barbour, George Will, Bill Kristol and other conservatives who are calling for him to release his returns are part of that game.
Mediocre community organizer… successful businessman… mediocre community organizer… successful businessman…
Decisions, decisions…
colorado max, I will release ALL my tax returns the minute I declare my candidacy for president of this country. I promise.
But they would bore you, honestly. Mitt’s are 550 pages or so. Mine are 3, including Schedule A.
Liniel Gregory, what is it about you right wingers that tells you God’s people should support tax unfairness? You can compare dollars to donuts but the truth is that some people pay a bigger percentage of their EARNED income in taxes than Willard Romney does on his UNEARNED income. How you think God would call that fair is beyond me. But then so is the idea of discriminating against gays but not divorcees, adulterers or profiteering businessmen, and you manage to do that as well. Go to your new shrine and bask in your hypocrisy so God will be sure to note it.
James Swingle, you are not getting it (in neon)! This is not about following “the law”. It is about the buying of the pols who wrote those laws and the ones who see that they are enforced. The tax structure did not just turn into an unfair, loophole riddled Rubic’s Cube of “laws”. It was MADE to benefit the wealthy like Romney and that is precisely what his tax returns will show. I do not for a moment think he “broke any laws”. He has however, used every avoidance tool that the best Congress money can buy have afforded him. He gets privilege for his efforts and we get stiffed. THAT “is the deal”. And THAT is “what needs to change in the country, what we need to fix”!
Face it yourself, President Obama has not been allowed to fix anything. He was met at the door with Lincolnesque hatred and obstruction and nothing has changed. Supporting that is just plain scary. Where do you think this tribal political climate is going to lead?
When and where was that Democratic Super-Majority that was “in control”?
President of the U.S…Tax cheat….
President…Tax cheat (overseas buffoon)
I think we can name that tune in just a few Romney off key notes.
Anyone know what bobble-head started the “democrats had a super majority until 2010″?
All the cut-and-paste pugilist are repeating it (miss-spelled no less) — here and on a number of other forums / blogs that I frequent. A “supermajority” vote is a requirement set by law, rules, by-laws, charters, etc. What the cut-and-paste pugilist are talking about is a strong majority vote on measures that require a simple majority. And even then the was not a consistent 67% democratic control — even in issues that passed by such votes as there were crossovers from the parties.
FYI:
rangel.house.gov/legislation/glossary.shtml
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supermajority vote:
requires more than a simple majority for passage (e.g. a 2/3 or 3/5 vote)..
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and
http://tinyurl.com/dyyg9ub
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Definition of SUPERMAJORITY
: a majority (as two-thirds or three-fifths) greater than a simple majority
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and
http://tinyurl.com/bluuurs
Definition of ‘Supermajority’
A corporate amendment in a company’s charter requiring a large majority (anywhere from 67-90%) of shareholders to approve important changes, such as a merger.
James – Check your facts, because the GOP dragged out Al Franken’s election results and Ted Kennedy passing, the Democrats never had a Super majority.
80. MM – Poor boy becoming Constitutional Lawyer vs Tax Dodging Inherited rich boy is much more accurate
Stop the Presses!! Romney just got a major endorsement that ought to win him the election!
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/retired-porn-star-jenna-jameson-says-she-supports-143703925.html
The money shot: When you’re rich, you want a Republican in office.
At least she’s honest.
Politics creates such strange bed-fellows…
76 colorado max – how many of those government employees are running for President?
69 Suzie – John Kerry never worked??? Military hero and long term Senator appear to be work. But he never claimed to be elite. In fact, he volunteered for military duty when he could have avoided it. Unlike Mitt who used every possible deferment while supporting the middle class and poor going to fight for him.
“Poor boy becoming Constitutional Lawyer”
This is what POs the right-wing so much. They can say all they want to about opportunity in America, but when a poor black kid goes to college and on to Harvard, where he become editor and later president of the law review, they believe he cheated and had an unfair advantage. Unlike the legacy kids.
Somehow, he was an affirmative action baby. Somewhere, he put down something wrong on an application. The craziest of the bunch believe he is a communist plant, and those crafty commies plotted all the way back to when he was born, inserting fictitious birth announcements into Hawaiian newspaper.
Notice the left’s treatment of Clarence Thomas. The left has been stridently critical of him. They have criticized him as an AA baby — but that was only AFTER CT issued court rulings against AA. They keyed in on his hypocrisy, not any help he got along the way. And they have disagreed strongly with his opinions, etc. But has the left ever demanded to see CT’s college transcripts or applications? Nah. Why bother. The guy graduated college; we know that. He graduated law school. We know that, too. He had some help because of his race, sure. But that’s ok. Affirmative action is not a bad thing.
Is Jenna out of rehab?
Fighting for your country — not working.
Evangelizing in Paris, living in a former embassy — working.
Suze sure lives in a weird world.
91. Dan – Obama not only had to deal with his mixed race, he had to deal with divorce of his parents, the remarriage of his Mom, and the death of his Mom, moving around the World with his Mom, and being raised by his white grandparents at a time when few accepted mixed anything. He climbed to the top with exceedingly hard work while recognizing the help government gave him along the way. For the RW to minimize his accomplishments as compared to a rich boy who was given every opportunity this country has to offer is absolutely amazing.
For any of them to question Michelle Obama’s clothing costs when she shops for off the rack clothes as compared to the many first ladies that had everything designer made or see the expenditures of Sarah Palin in running for VP. The RW on here is off the chart in crazy.
“Why don’t we blog about college records next Dan?
Comment by Leon — August 2, 2012 @ 10:16 pm
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cause he’s scared to , he wont even watch an obama made video..lol
“92.Is Jenna out of rehab?
Comment by Dan Casey — August 3, 2012 @ 1:29 pm
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are you?
RJBCPA:
90.”69 Suzie…”
No thanks.
Look, all you have to do to figure this election out is go to the map:
http://www.270towin.com/
Obama can afford to lose New Hampshire, Iowa, Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Colorado, all states he won last election, and still get over 270 electoral votes. This means he only has to carry New Mexico, Nevada, and Ohio to get there. Does anyone around here seriously doubt that Obama will not carry New Mexico, Nevada (hint hint hint, Latino vote maybe?) and Ohio (hint hint hint, Romney opposing saving auto industry in state with 2nd largest auto industry jobs in America?)
This is simple math folks, really simple when matched with polling and demographic and ethnic trends and campaign resources on the ground and everywhere else…
Maybe Romney should do like Obama did when he released his birth certificate. Release his tax returns and shut us all up.
If Romney were to do like 0bama, he’d release a photo-shopped tax return. Nobody independent has seen 0bama’s real one. He won’t give permission for that. All we’ve seen are copies
he had to deal with divorce of his parents, the remarriage of his Mom, and the death of his Mom, moving around the World with his Mom, and being raised by his white grandparents at a time when few accepted mixed anything.
Hitler, Stalin, Clinton, and Mao were also damaged in childhood. In all cases there was an absentee father. They were screwed up. It’s not something to be admired, and all the above were disastrous “leaders”.
0bama was a worthless cokehead pothead POS who was given whatever placements he got. He won’t release his transcripts because there was obviously something very damaging. It’s hard to imagine a professional job where at some point you didn’t have to provide your college transcripts.
Good post, William Bova. With less than a 40% voter turnout, it still always comes down to the lazy masses who may or may not go and vote. Sad.
#99 Only true nuts think we haven’t seen his birth certificate. suzie is a nut.
If Romney were to do like 0bama, he’d release a photo-shopped tax return. Nobody independent has seen 0bama’s real one. He won’t give permission for that. All we’ve seen are copies.
For Pete’s sake, no presidential candidate EVER has “released” his ORIGINAL tax returns. They have released COPIES of their returns. Everybody would settle for a photocopies of Romneys returnS. We trust him not to release phony-ed up ones.
Now quit your silly garbage about Obama and the copies of his BC. The original is held by the State of Hawaii — and they won’t even let him have that one.
You guys are still steaming about that, tho, aren’t you, like a pile of dog dung on some hot summer asphalt. I have heard from reliable sources that Joe Farah almost had a stroke on the day Obama came out with the long-form certificate, after Farah had beaten on the White House for months to release it, and on the EVE OF PUBLICATION, BY FARAH’S OUTFIT, of a book explaining why Obama would not and could not release that long form.
That was a masterful stroke by the White House, at a cretin that was deserving of it and much more. And it’s why there are a few people out there who believe the Mittster is playing the same game with his taxes.
97. John Wilburn – Now that was ugly, LOL
100 – Suzie – what is your excuse?
101 – You would imagine that the top law firm he worked for 14 years had a transcript. But maybe his recommendations were so high they did not need one. That little rinky dink University of Chicago Law School where he taught Constitutional Law probably has one too, but they see no reason to provide it to the likes of you. Both are places of excellence that you could not get your little toe into so I see why you try to bad mouth him so.
100 – Suzie – your opinion on leadership qualities would be an interesting study if anyone gave a royal rip. But your credibility is so damaged by your comments that it is obvious that the meds have taken over again. Call hubby and lock the keyboard.
Richard, Suze’s excuse is that he is a sad, lonely dumpy sack who got a correspondence school degree from Strayer. He spends a lonely workday at a car rental booth at the Roanoke airport (I won’t say which company, but there’s only one booth run by a sad-looking and balding middle-ager.) And he listens to RW talk radio all day. This blog is his prime outlet in life.
It is sad, truly.
Suzie, call hubby?
That would mean the Suzester is gay. . .interesting.
109. Dan, that would explain the bitterness, perhaps?
Screwzie, you’ve said on more than one occasion that you grew up relatively poor. What was wrong with YOUR parents that you had to endure poverty? Were theu lazy, stupid, divorced? Which is it?
#99 Only true nuts think we haven’t seen his birth certificate. suzie is a nut.
If you haven’t been to Hawaii or Kenya, there is no possible way to see the orginial birth certificate, genius. And Idiot Boy refuses to allow the original to be seen.
Wonder what he’s hiding.
Richard, Suze’s excuse is that he is a sad, lonely dumpy sack who got a correspondence school degree from Strayer. He spends a lonely workday at a car rental booth at the Roanoke airport (I won’t say which company, but there’s only one booth run by a sad-looking and balding middle-ager.) And he listens to RW talk radio all day. This blog is his prime outlet in life.
Wow. Dan is become nastier and more pointed in his comments. Girl must REALLY be getting under his skin. A couple of weeks ago he called me a prostitute. Very professional.
He actually seems unaware that without me, this is the RT blog. I think he thinks it’s him. LOL.
It IS him, we come here IN SPITE of you Suzie and when the Roanoke Times finally upgrades Roanoke.com we sincerely hope to be rid of your trashy, classless droning.
Let me thank number 102 John Wilburn for thew kind words, and ask Suze if I can use this AAA coupon for a free one-class upgrade next month on my rental…
Sandi, when “the upgrade” comes, you bet ….. I’ll be gone. Then the sheep can call Dan’s blog “Sheep Talk.”
You can criticize President Romney!!
This blog is (Suzie’s) prime outlet in life.
At least I never blog while on vacation. Dan will be in here a couple of times a day at least while “on vacation” just like Kristen was. What a sad sad life.
Upgrade? Hahaha. Even their own reporters say this paper is struggling to stay afloat. Upgrade, hahahahahaha, They can’t even figure out captcha. Every once in a while I check in just to make sure Dan can continue to feed his family. You’re welcome.
#117 What a sad life suzie has that she thinks she needs to dictate to others how to spend their vacations. Can you imagine what a drag it would be to go anywhere with her?
Cabinetmaker in Martinsville to shed 335 jobs. FORWARD progress by Obama….or is this still Bush’s fault?
Actually, the “goal of every paid tax preparer is” to accurately and legally report your income and deductions. T
Comment by Sandi Saunders — August 3, 2012 @ 8:48 am
In response to:
The goal of every paid tax preparer is always minimum tax under the law.Comment by Leon — August 2, 2012 @ 10:16 pm
Leading to the conclusion:
You have proven in one single post that you know nothing of how an economy, a Congress or a nation works. Wow sir, well done! Do some research outside the bubble Leon, the truth really will set you free.Comment by Sandi Saunders — August 3, 2012 @ 8:54 am
LOL, Sandi I’m laughing at you, not with you! Perhaps Mr. Beason, Dan’s
alleged tax expert, can throw you a life preserver as you’re in way over your head.
BTW; the CPA designation does not infer that the holder has any special expertise in the area of taxation; rather, it deals with the body of knowledge required to perform and opine regarding the attest function.
Bob…
Its the fault of Southside Va to have settled
on being so one dimensional in what it offers the world..
The local leaders are as much at fault as anyone…and the jobs
have been leaving Southside long long before our current president..
If you think the Mittster will stop the large sucking sound of low wages
elsewhere in the world…be my guest to cast your vote that way..
Ya might want to check into that little tax issue that keeps dogging him
before you start sewing his cape.
Keep digging Leon!
Dan, your email box is full and rejecting, guess you have PO’s somebody big time.
123.Keep digging Leon!
Comment by Sandi Saunders — August 4, 2012 @ 11:48 pm
LOL
God you libbies are jealous of Romney. What a pathetic display. Why? Because he worked hard, something that ‘crap-for-president bammy never did
Oh, so asking to see “personal information” means one is “jealous”? Well pammala, that sure makes you right wingers a very “jealous” bunch!
#126 Obama is president. That takes a LOT of hard work. Something pammie will never accomplish.
Obama is president. That takes a LOT of hard work.
Only if you consider a record number of vacations, a record number of golf rounds, and a record number of fundraisers “hard work”.
Judging from the results, he’s doing very poorly at his actual job.