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(h/t to Chip Woodrum).
By Chris OBrion for The Roanoke Times
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I saw that in the RT this morning…love it!
Difficult to argue with this cartoon.
Where is the wittle cartoon of Biden telling everyone in Danville, VA today that they are going to help them win N.C. again and also Biden telling the African Americans in Danville that the Republicans are going to put them back in chains?
Wonder how much of that $20,000,000 was taxes paid by people who work and buy goods and services? Probably none. It was all provided by our great keeper the GOVERNMENT! Oh forgot they got to those business bought, built and paid for by the almighty GOVERNMENT! Thank you so much government we could not even wipe without you.
It’s all about the sound bytes, since that is evidently all the voting public cares to digest.
It’s only difficult to argue with this cartoon if you’re drunk on the socialistic Obama Kool-Aid. “Taken out of context”? again with this? Hilarious!
Dan would not be interested in those cartoons. Remember when Ole Joe tells the gentleman confined to the wheelchair….stand up Chuck or talking about the economic plan as Barack says a three letter word J-O-B-S.
That man is only one heartbeat from POTUS.
Dan wouldn’t it be more fun to have the caption this with the thought above Ole Joe’s head and everybody complete that? Because the actual thought in Joe’s head is blank.
Check out the credit under the cartoon
Taken Out Of Context gets funnier every time I see it in print. Your messiah spoke from his heart, he left his teleprompter at home, and his true feelings were shared. Anyone who viewed it and were not wearing horse blinders knows what Obama meant.
I’m proud that Roanoke Fire Station #1 was the beginning of Obama’s demise!!
MM that one comes out right after the one where Romney gets confused about who is really running for President. They all make honest mistakes. Honest mistakes I can live with.
Corrected the typo, Roscoe G. Thank you for bring it to my attention.
Seriously Bob, rumors of “Obama’s demise” are greatly exaggerated and not going to happen. For every angry old fellow like you, there is a widow who wants her kids to have SSI and Medicare too. Romney made yet another gaffe by playing to the minority of haters.
The cartoon is pitch perfect. The obstinate and arrogant have really been outed over that little skip in a speech. Some people do not get that pushing an issue into the ground and breaking it off turns off as many voters as it makes chuckle.
I feel honored Roanoke was the site of this idiot’s waterloo. Good riddance!
Taken Out Of Context gets funnier every time I see it in print. Your messiah spoke from his heart, he left his teleprompter at home, and his true feelings were shared. Anyone who viewed it and were not wearing horse blinders knows what Obama meant
He’s repeated pretty much the same line since, Bob.
I’m still trying to figure out how you take a whole paragraph out of context.
Bob, I’m going to give you some advice, borrowed from the freaks that say rich people who believe tax rates ought to be raised on the rich should be volunteering to pay more taxes:
Shred your SSI checks and withdraw from Medicare. It might make you feel better, Bob. It would be a start on “walking the talk,” ya know.
No Dan instead we’re going to vote the socialist bum out of office, take over congress, and start fixing the system. You’re welcome in advance!
No John Brown, you are not.
Funny that people like John Brown want to fix the system with a guy like Ryan who is one of the ones who created the mess in the first place. I agree with John about one thing, Congressman like Paul Ryan need to be fired and replaced with people who want to work together.
OG, I thought it was nobama that announced his running mate was running for president??
Dan, im glad your vacation sucked. You deserve it.
Actually I had a great vacation – thank you for caring about me and my family though.
In the original version of the column, I made a specific (although tasteful) reference as to why. But an editor requested I take that out. I believe he felt it was inappropriate.
But I think he’s gonna take my advice and buy his wife a copy of “Fifty Shades of Grey.”
Dan, Dan, Dan, please don’t drag your lovely wife into this disaster area! Haters gotta hate. I run things around here, remember?
Funny that people like John Brown want to fix the system with a guy like Ryan who is one of the ones who created the mess in the first place
Right. Ryan was the one who demanded Fannie back all those bad loans to unqualified people. You morons love to rewrite history, don’t you?
To all the people crying “I wonder whose taxes paid for it” in reference to the market garage.
I would really like to see all you jackasses going down there and actually have done the work to improve that garage.
That’s right, you wouldn’t have. because you’re all old, misanthropic isolationists who only care about yourselves.
There’s a reason the gov’t takes taxes and does things.. Because the public isn’t smart enough to know every single little aspect about all the goods and services it needs to continue a calm and civilized society.
So do yourselves a favor and shut up already with the “whose taxes paid for it” baloney. Mine paid for it too, and I am happy my dollars went to it!
I’m telling you, it was a national DISASTER that Joe Biden, who had just been in battleground state NC and was only a few miles from its border at the time, said something about winning NC again (which of course is in fact something they hope to do). Much worse than Rmoney’s major European goofs.
And of course reasonable people know that Biden was NOT talking about just putting African Americans in chains, but ANYBODY who will be hurt by the Repubs. And wasn’t it the Repubs — why YES it was — who first talked about “unshackling” people?
MM I thought you would have been front row in Norfolk Saturday for Romney’s big announcement. Anyway, there are plenty of clips out there you can go watch unless of course Romney’s people have already altered them to say something else. They are really good at that you know.
I’m not sure the Secret Service would allow MMM that close.
Thanks, OG. I talked to the Secret Service. They shared this clip… not sure if it was altered.
No Dan, I earned every damn cent of my social security, and I am one of the folks the program was created for. Obama has already raped Medicare some more to pay for Obamacare. They ALL have for the past 20 – 30 years.
Why do people not address the root of job loss. Ross Perot – Giant Sucking Sound – 1992. Spare me the poor old widow rhetoric Sandi you hateful (oops, almost pulled a Beckel).
President Civil ~ BAWAHAHA, isn’t addressing a thing. Ryan is way brighter, Mitt’s THE man, and I’ll leave you with a Joe Biden is a racist Clusterfudge!
Old Bob is special. Not like the others. He earned his dole.
So Bob since I’m only 28 and if the republicans have their way I’ll never see social security are you saying I won’t deserve it when I’m old enough….if so please explain why I beg you….I have to tell all you republicans my generation is by far mostly democrats so get use to us cause were not going anywhere.
Socialist…Socialism…jeez. You people wouldn’t know a socialist if it walked up and bit you on the ass. Why don’t you go to, let’s say France, where they have real socialist that you can fight. Top tax rate in France is about 50% and their new “real” socailist president wants to raise it another 25%. Your guy Ryan wants ZERO tax rate for dividend income (Mitt would pay $0)….now that’s socialism for the wealthy IMHO.
Bob, since I’m supporting you and you have plenty of time on your hands….my driveway could use some edging. And I have a couple o hydrangeas that need to be yanked.
As we know….god hates a freeloader. So come on over and earn your keep!
hokie hater, I have a son in college and he has expressed the same sentiments. He’d like to know why he’s paying into something he’ll never see. I think we’re going to see a lot of younger voters going to the polls this year.
hokie hater, I’m just a smidge older than you at 31 (32 next month), and I’ve been paying into Social Security now for almost half of my life since I got my first paying job in high school, about 15 years now. I will probably be working at least another 35-40 years, though in what capacity I’ve yet to determine.
Personally, I would like to see Social Security shored up so that our generation has the same opportunity to collect on our contributions when we hit retirement age. But if there is going to be a fundamental change made, I’d like it to happen sooner rather than later, so that I can take my portion of contributions and start investing it ASAP to start making up for the 15 years of contributions I will lose as a result.
In any case…doing nothing, or privatizing, will substantially screw anyone who isn’t already retired or close enough to it that they get grandfathered into the existing system. And that, in a nutshell, is anyone under 50 in the case of privatizing, and anyone under about 35 for the do-nothing. The current power-brokers will do what benefits them the most: making sure they, and those in their demographics or financial support base, get theirs…while forcing the burden of that decision upon everyone else.
Here’s David Frum, former speechwriter for GWB and still a GOP-er describing the perfect attack ad against Paul Ryan:
“You’ve worked hard all your life. You’ve paid Medicare taxes for almost 30 years. But under the Republican plan, Medicare won’t be there for you. Instead of Medicare as it exists now, under the Republican plan you’ll get a voucher that will pay as little as half your Medicare costs when you turn 65—and as little as a quarter in your 80s. And all so that millionaires and billionaires can have a huge tax cut.”
@36 Other John, I have children your age. Kudos to you, young man. Your reasoning and logic are sound. I am not drawing Social Security but am old enough to be exempt from the Ryan plan, and I believe that younger people deserve the same retirement system that I hope to collect from in the coming years.
I can see that the ‘left” really IS doubling down on what was named by Politifact as the “Lie of the Year” in 2011.
Paul Ryan is not cutting ANYTHING from Seniors who are currently ON Social Security/Medicare…nor making any changes for those who are now about 55 or so. He is just giving the opportunity for the younger generations to “make other plans” before they retire….and that is not even mandatory….they would still have the option of just having it withdrawn from their check just as they are now….but they also have an option to take that money and invest it themselves, if they CHOOSE to do so.
Those who are now in their thirties..or who have children younger than 55 and are concerned about thier future Social Security benefits…I don’t understand something here and would like to ask you to please tell me how you think that inaction will be to their benefit?
It is my understanding that it has been reported that the Social Security program will go broke in 2035 or so, that is only 23 years from now? To make matters worse, I have also read that in our current situation, with so few in the work force and the Baby Boomers retiring, that figure actually lessens by 3 years each year..so by the end of this year, the prediction will be 2032..that’s 20 years from now.
So, if one is , say 32, today…they will be 52, or younger, when Social Security goes belly up. Actually many people are predicting that it will go belly up MUCH sooner than that.
To ME, it would make more sense to give the younger generation the option of “opting out” of the mandatory withdrawls from their paychecks and let them invest that themselves if they so choose. Haven’t we all seen the “studies” where folks have said if they could have taken that money that was withdrawn from their checks all of their working lives and invested that privately, they could be drawing a lot more than the pittance they get in SS now..and COULD have left that money to their families if they died before they retired.
Many “Seniors” approve of the “Ryan Plan”..I think it is because they understand that and they are trying to save some HOPE for their children and grandchildren to be able to retire themselves one day. Let’s face it folks…when it comes to Social Security benefits…we’ve been screwed, we’ve been had…we just CAN’T continue like we have been.
So, what I don’t understand is…..why would you be fighting for your children to keep having mandatory wihtdrawls from their paychecks to pay for something that won’t be there for them later, rather than encouraging a plan that let’s them opt out and invest their own money for their own retirement? Gee, if they invest their OWN money..they can even leave it to their families if they should die before they retire. I just don’t understand that…could someone please explain?
“Paul Ryan is not cutting ANYTHING from Seniors who are currently ON Social Security/Medicare…nor making any changes for those who are now about 55 or so. He is just giving the opportunity for the younger generations to “make other plans” before they retire….and that is not even mandatory….they would still have the option of just having it withdrawn from their check just as they are now….but they also have an option to take that money and invest it themselves, if they CHOOSE to do so.”
Sharon N, I have news for you: Paul Ryan isn’t doing ANY of these things. He might say he wants to, but it’s not going to happen. This bill hasn’t passed the Senate, and if it did the president wouldn’t sign it, and Rom/Ry are going to LOSE the November election, and then Rep. Ryan won’t even have a seat in Congress.
No, say it ain’t so, many seniors are more than willing for the gates to be closed after they got theirs? What a new fangled idea!
This nation is not going to allow anyone to monkey with a promise made and kept for all these decades and most assuredly not to deliver tax cuts to the already wealthy. Not gonna happen.
You can make ‘em vote hate, and you can even make ‘em vote against their own jobs and wages, but damned if you are gonna make ‘em vote against SSI/Medicare! Count on it and no amount of spin, or lies is gonna fix this one. It is not called the “third rail” for nothing. Romney/Ryan is over.
@41 Obama already monkeyed with it when he cut 716 billion dollars from Medicare to pay for Obamacare. It already happened and you’re too Obama drunk to acknowledge it.
No John Brown he did not. He is trying to save the program and fix what is wrong with it. That should save money in the long term but it will not harm the system. You have fallen for a lie and call me “drunk”? Too funny.
National dept under President Barack Obama
■Jan. 20, 2009: $10,626,877,048,913.08
■Jan. 4, 2011: $14,025,215,218,708.52
August 15,2012 $15,924,245,522,843.15 and climbing
■Days in Office: 1,314 days
enough is enough, I don’t care how many hotels you build
@44 – There’s the record he CANT run FROM. LOL
A couple weeks ago during the whole Chik Fil A stupidity, Some crazy guy went to General Mills and set fire to a box of Cheerios to protest them because they are “gay-friendly”. His attempt was videotaped by his friend, and it backfired, as the box caught on fire and he ended up setting the lawn on fire in front of GM. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IOtd2sX0LM
Anyway, that guy died on Saturday of a heart attack.
Seriously people, you need to RELAX. When Obama wins in November, I don’t want to see a rise in strokes, aneurysms, and heart attacks.
2.Difficult to argue with this cartoon.
Comment by Kristen — August 14, 2012 @ 3:37 pm
Diffcult to argue with the above figures
Yo, Will, where is the president supposedly spending all this cash?
Will, I do not believe you understand debt, deficits, interest or economic crisis, so the possibility of you knowing what to do with those cut and pasted numbers is slim to none.
NO ONE is going to lower the debt in an economic crisis, not Saint Reagan and not Romney/Ryan, and no, not Obama either.
John Brown, keep in mind that Ryan wants the same Medicare “cuts” as Obama, only his will go to pay for a tax cut for Romney instead of health insurance for those who otherwise wouldn’t have it.
Unfortuantely as a nation we have become lazy/complacent and find it easier to pass the buck and point fingers than to acknowldge our faults and failures and learn/grow from them. We are being pulled to extremes by the political and media shenanigans and are to busy spending time and money for career politics vs trying to resolve issues at hand.
I do not see it happening, but I feel we should put a term limit on both the house and congress. I find it hard to believe that the members from either party are more concerned about the direction of the country and the decisions they make than there political careers and wealth.
To be quite frank we are screwed no matter who wins! It is going to take more that just a political head figure change.
Kristen. I really hope you get a horrible disease like I have. Maybe then, and only then, you’ll shut your hateful pie hole. Maybe a good car wreck will come your way tonight. Karma’s a good friend of mine.
hokie hater may want to change his name to youthful imbecile. News Flash. There will be no social security for you, especially if the country goes Obama’s way. Obama has already raped medicare of $710,000,000,000 dollars to pay for Obamacare. Ryan, who buy the way isn’t running for president, is at least addressing the out of control financial crisis.
Flip your car Kristen. I’m fed up with you evil folks!
Bob, I don’t mean to make light of your horrible disease — I would never do that — but if karma is such a great friend of yours, how come you have it?
“Sharon N, I have news for you: Paul Ryan isn’t doing ANY of these things. He might say he wants to, but it’s not going to happen. This bill hasn’t passed the Senate, and if it did the president wouldn’t sign it, and Rom/Ry are going to LOSE the November election, and then Rep. Ryan won’t even have a seat in Congress.”
Comment by Dan Casey — August 15, 2012 @ 1:01 pm
THAT’S your answer Dan?
hokie hater, social security is on it’s death bed ANYWAY. Republicans would rather be proactive and phase it out on our terms; Democrats are willing to just milk it until it the checks bounce. Your choice.
Will, what do those “figures” have to do with the cartoon or the general point it’s making? That no success is achieved in a vacuum and that the government has a role to play in that?
Let me say that the deficit isn’t a big worry concern of mine, not compared to plenty of other challenges the country is facing.
Bob, if karma is your “friend”, I’d hate to see what she’d do to you if she were your enemy.
Good God; I never thought we’d see a bigger attention whore than suz but Bob’s making her seem like a piker. Next thing you know ol’ Bob’s gonna’ claim he turned water into wine and swam over to Zimbabwe to administer it to starving children or that Peter Frampton was his back up guitar player or something.
Hey Bob, were you ever in a heavy metal band? This idiot is a dead ringer for you.
Unfortunately Ryan has already announced that his name will remain on the ballot for Congress in his district. He’ll just resign and cost the people of Wisconsin the price of another election if he wins. Nothing like being confident about your chances is there?
I’m never quite sure which department (dept) you’r getting those numbers from about what we owe (also known as the debt).
Democrats don’t want to merely “milk” Social Security until the checks bounce. Recall, it was Tip O’Neill and Ronald Reagan who came together in 1983 and “fixed” SS to, at least, keep it solvent for many more years. SS is not hard to fix: Remove the $108k cap, very gradually raise the retirement age, and start handing out green cards and SS will be fine.
It’s the Republicans who want none of that. They want to radically alter the program so because Wall Street wants their hands on that money.
56. Dan – indeed. SSN will right itself as baby boomers begin dying. SSN is solvent well into that period, it will only take a little change to make it solvent until we boomers are gone.
50. Say What, you are right on
Ha! Ryan’s hedging his bets! He thinks Romney’s gonna lose.
Well bob I’d rather be a youthful imbecile than a dumb old man, at least I have time to learn and from what you have said I see you never did.
“at least I have time to learn”
Start with grammar and composition.
Bob, you have gone beyond angry and become vicious and unhinged. Stop blogging and get some help. You can only dish it out and that does not float here.
Mrs. Sandi Saunders?
Yeah, good ole Jim Lucas-(Dan do you want to be sued?) keeps calling me “Ms. Saunders” after I have repeatedly told him I have been married for 32 years!
“Wall Street wants their hands on that money.”
Similar to the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the American worker, the 401k.
“49.Will, I do not believe you understand debt, deficits, interest or economic crisis, so the possibility of you knowing what to do with those cut and pasted numbers is slim to none.
NO ONE is going to lower the debt in an economic crisis, not Saint Reagan and not Romney/Ryan, and no, not Obama either”.
Comment by Sandi Saunders — August 15, 2012 @ 4:24 pm
I understand it Sandi and you and most everyone here understands it also. The difference is you and your like minded comrades have blinders on driven by your liberal progressive world view. Once again you cannot dispute the facts so you try to belittle the one who points them out. NO ONE in the history of the US has raised the debt by 5 trillion dollars. NO ONE has spent so much money with such poor results. Not lowering the dept is one thing. INCREASING it by one third is quite another. Of course we all know it is Bush’s, the Europeans, the Japanese, the Middle East, and everyone else’s fault that President Obama could not keep candidate Obama’s promises.
will, no president one in the history of this country had raised the debt by more than George W. Bush before Obama took office, either.
By 1988, no president in the history of this country had raised it more than Reagan. It’s not at all uncommon for one president to raise the debt more than his predecessor.
You really have no point here.
My point Dan is that raising the dept by a third in 3 years is not sustainable under any administration.
From CBS News March 19, 2012
“The National Debt also now exceeds 100% of the nation’s Gross Domestic Product, the total value of goods and services.
As part of his “Win the Future” program, Mr. Obama called for “taking responsibility for our deficits, by cutting wasteful, excessive spending wherever we find it.”
His latest budget projects a $1.3 trillion deficit this year declining to $901 billion in 2012, and then annual deficits in the range of $500 billion to $700 billion in the 10 years to come.
If Mr. Obama wins re-election, and his budget projections prove accurate, the National Debt will top $20 trillion in 2016, the final year of his second term. That would mean the Debt increased by 87 percent, or $9.34 trillion, during his two terms”.
What I do understand about debt & deficits is that in January 2001 when George Bush took office there had been budget surpluses since FY 2007. There were 2 contributors to those surpluses. One was tax increases in 1990 & 1993 which no Republicans in Congress voted in favor of. The top marginal rate was increased to 39%. Today that rate is 35%. The second factor was the Pay As You Go rules put in place with the tax increases of 1990 & 1993. Again, no Republican in Congress voted for those rules. Those 2 things took the country from growing deficits & uncontrol spending to surpluses and rules to control spending. Total national debt at the time was $5.5 trillion.
Again, in January 2001, the Congressional Budget Office projected that if tax and spending policy remained in place until 2008 the total budget surplus would grow by $3.5 Trillion. A further project stated that all $5.5 trillion of national debt would be eliminated by FY 2014.
What did GWB & the Republicans in Congress do after January 2001? They cut taxes in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006 & 2008. They eliminated the Pay As You Go Rules in 2002. They fought two wars off the official budget. They approved the unfunded Medicare Drug Benefit. Revenues to the Treasury fell from 20.6% of GDP in 2001 to 17.5% of GDP in 2008. Official Budgeted Spending(Not including Iraq & Afghanistan) increased from 18.2% of GDP in 2001 to 20.7% of GDP in 2008. The Bush Tax Cuts increasedd the federal debt by $1.6 Trillion and slower than expected growth increased the federal debt by $1.4 Trillion. The Bush tax cuts continued through 2010 adding $369 billion to the debt. Spending increases during the Bush years increased the federal debt by $2.4 Trillion. Another $800 Billion was added to the federal debt by the Iraq/Afghanistan wars.
Putting the numbers together between the $5.6 Trillion in deficit reduction that would have occurred between 2001-2001 had Clinton/Bush I tax rates & Pay As You Go rules had stayed in place, and the $6.1 Trillion impact of the Bush tax cuts and additional spending between 2001-2008 and I come up with a $11.7 Trillion problem for the Republicans.
I’m not excited about the added debt and spending that has occurred since January 2009, however, the Republicans (Including Rep. Ryan)& George Bush have to step up and claim $11.7 Trillion of the damage for themselves. That’s how I look at deficits & debt. How about you give me you take Will?
Sorry, I got a couple dates wrong in my 10:48 post. First, in 2001 there had been budget surpluses since FY1997 not 2007. Second, in the next to last paragraph the two dates should be 2001-2011 not 2001-2001. Fingers working without control.
#72: Ron May nails it!!!
How about it will (or any other “conservatives”), do you think Republicans are stepping up to acknowledge the $11.7 trillion of the debt that they created when they took us from surplus to deficit?
On top of that Warren, they will no acknowledge that from 1981 thru 1992 the national debt quadrupled. Let’s see that was the Reagan-Bush I time period I believe. They don’t want to talk about that either.
I realize that you think my “world view” prevents your “truth” from penetrating will. You cannot fathom being wrong and so of course I am either ignorant, blindly partisan, emotional, or just plain dishonest, to your way of thinking.
If Barack Obama had come into office with what Bush did, I would be roasting his bony legs over hot coals for the stimulus and the bailouts too. But that is not the reality of the situation. He was met with the worst crisis in this nation’s economic history since the Great Depression and a huge deficit that backed him into an untenable corner. Whether you have the sense, decency or honesty to acknowledge that or not, it remains the truth and history will judge it accordingly. You are a cantankerous, judgmental old pot calling the kettles black and it is wearing thin!
“roasting his bony legs over hot coals . . .”
Careful, Sandi. The Secret Service will be knocking on your door. . .
#69 Will with a capital W,
I am truly amazed and humbled. My hard has finally paid off. After what seems like an eternity of perseverance, I’ve finally affected changed on this blog.
Yessiree! I finally, finally got will with a small w to capitalize his name! Praise be to God; this here’s proof that with over a year’s hard work, dim bulb conservatives can in fact be educated to the appropriate skill set that VA SOL’s require of 3rd graders. It might have taken the repeated use of a bull whip and a cattle prod, but by God after metaphorically clubbing will with a small w like a baby harp seal, I got the poor sap to accept the fundamentals of our native tongue instead of the twisted gibberish he was abusing like a thirteen year old with his first Playboy magazine.
Thank you, Will, formally of the small w! I never lost faith in you. I’m so proud! This must be what it’s like to have a kid graduate from kindergarten!
Steve C – I am glad I could help you with you self esteem. Apparently you spend your time making up wonderfully grandiose fantasies about being someone whose opinion really matters. Maybe now you can turn your weird obsession toward someone else. No wait; at least if you are obsessing on me maybe you might leave someone else alone. You big bully you. LMBO
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