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Ted killed a woman, didn’t he? Probably could have saved her life had he alerted authorities immediately, but didn’t because of political considerations.
Talk about a woman-hater. Yet he’s a liberal icon.
As one person on Twitter put it “The politician with the only confirmed kill in the War on Women”
Flaws? Do you call causing the death of a woman and then fleeing the scene a flaw? I’m not sure I want to know the skeletons in Dan’s closet if that is barely a blip on his radar.
DNC mulls over moving the Democratic convention from Bank of America Stadioum(74,000 capacity) to Time Warner Cable Arena(20,000 capacity) under the guise of `severe` weather…Strange, none is forecast….Guess they`ve realized that they can`t fill the BOA Stadium.
“He had flaws, but who doesn’t.”
Sure, I mean, we all drive drunk sometimes and flip our cars off a bridge into a tidal canal, and then leave our female passengers to die. Most of us would have waited 9 hours before reporting it, too (after leaving the scene of an accident). We all have flaws, right? Ahh, the “lion” of the left. Lol.
Mary Jo Kopechne, gone but not forgotten.
Oh, and another little tid-bit….Yesterday, the Country hit its highest debt ever…$16,000,000,000,000.00 …Thats $16 TRILLION…and COUNTING !!!
Everyone get their jollies fixed last night from that First Lady and Mayor Speech? Whewie! How’s that 13 Suns doing today? She’s usually has some fun things to say.
MARY JO KOPECHNE
“Ted killed a woman, didn’t he? Probably could have saved her life had he alerted authorities immediately.”
She drowned. He delayed reporting it. But there was no way for him to “alert authorities immediately” that could have prevented her drowning.
John Brown, she died in a car accident.
She drowned. He delayed reporting it. But there was no way for him to “alert authorities immediately” that could have prevented her drowning.
There was a strong possibility Kopechne survived for a time after the incident, according to testimony at the time.
She may have been saved for all we know, but Kennedy chose to put his political future over the possibility of saving a young women’s life. That’s nothing short of despicable.
Ummm, Dano. No official autopsy was conducted. The Medical Examiner simply listed the cause of death as drowning, without actually determining for sure if that was the case. Also, the diver who pulled her body from the car stated: “It looked as if she were holding herself up to get a last breath of air. It was a consciously assumed position. …She didn’t drown. She died of suffocation in her own air void. It took her at least three or four hours to die. I could have had her out of that car twenty-five minutes after I got the call. But he [Ted Kennedy] didn’t call. — diver John Farrar
#4 They moved it because of thunderstorm possibilities. Problem is they had already handed out 65,000 tickets.
Dan she actually asphyxiated when the air pocket in the car ran out of oxygen. “Divers later estimated that if he had called them immediately, they would have had time to pull out Mary Jo.” She survived for several hours after drunk Teddy ran the car off the bridge.
The fact that you are defending it doesn’t surprise me, but is pretty despicable. It goes to show you that as long as you’re a democrat even killing people is excusable in your eyes.
“Ummm, Dano. No official autopsy was conducted. The Medical Examiner simply listed the cause of death as drowning, without actually determining for sure if that was the case.”
Like I said, the cause of death was drowning, after a car accident.
I also believe the cause of JFK’s death was a gunshot wound. Just call me gullible. Or call yourself a nut.
I see the republican talking parrots have followed their talking points memo this am…so stuck in the past, first they were bashing Jimmy Carter, now Ted Kennedy – and not one peep from or about their previous “illustrious” leader, George W. Bush. Shhhhhh, best not to mention his name…people might remember his disastrous 8 years.
hey john brown, if teddy were alive, he and bubba bill would’ve been competing with sandra flucke for the right to represent womens right’s at the democrat convention. i bet ol’ sandra would’ve ended up being the peanut butter.
Jeff, there is a 20-40% chance of thunderstorms in Charlotte every day this week, thanks to some remnant energy from Hurricane Isaac and the interaction from an approaching cold front; and the Green, SC NWS office issued a HWO that states the following:
SCATTERED TO NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WILL DEVELOP
ACROSS THE REGION TODAY AND LINGER INTO THIS EVENING. THE PRIMARY
THREAT FROM ANY THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL. IF
THUNDERSTORMS REPEATEDLY AFFECT THE SAME LOCATION…FLASH FLOODING
OF STREAMS OR URBAN FLOODING OF POOR DRAINAGE AREAS COULD RESULT.
CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING STRIKES WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE WITH ANY
THUNDERSTORMS.
Given that a Nascar fan was killed at Pocono from a lightning strike along with another 9 people injured, if there is a chance for thunderstorm activity and they have an alternate venue available, it makes sense to use it…rather than have convention goers and speakers caught outside in a storm, where they would have to quickly vacate the open stands for cover in the concourse.
Not to mention, given that it’s a televised event, any interruption would present a pretty significant issue for broadcasters and DNC organizers.
That said, just like the folks with the GOP should have possibly thought better about scheduling their convention in a hurricane zone in Florida, during hurricane season…the folks with the DNC should have thought better about scheduling part of the convention in an open-air stadium, in the south, during the tail end of summer when thunderstorms are commonplace.
Wonder if the Dems will cancel the South Carolina Black Churches busses now there are less seats? And the North Carolina school busses?
#4 BTW, dolto, the forecast for tomorrow DOES call for possible thunderstorms. Remember that all of these people have to be moved into the stadium well ahead of time, and then if lightning hits they’d have to move to safety and then move back in. Logistical security nightmare.
Lol. No Dano, that would be YOUR opinion-based on an opinion from a Medical Examiner who never even conducted an autopsy to determine the cause of death. I’m sure the Kennedy’s had nothing to do with that. Sure. She was in a car that was submerged, so she HAD to have drowned. There is NO other way she could have died BEFORE the accident, and there is NO other way she could have suffocated as the diver reported. I guess the diver who pulled her from the car was just a crazy nut, too? Lol. I’ll just call you gullible, I guess.
That’s the equivalent of the Fraternal Order of Police having a convention and honoring Drew Peterson as one of their best. If Ted Kennedy was one of an organization’s best, that tells us all we need to know aobut that organization. Of course in an organization that includes Pelosi, Reid, the Clintons, Jimmy Carter, Jesse Jackson, and John Edwards, Kennedy probably was no worse than the others. That’s sad.
Dan
How in the world can you defend him? Drunk driving, cheating, dead girl? You constantly gripe about the “Rich” screwing the poor and taking advantage of the system. I guess it is ok if the “Rich” person is a.liberal democrat
At least we know now that unless Obama does something worse than killing someone we won’t hear a disparaging word from ol’ Dano regarding Obama. Does ordering the killing of an American Citizen without due process better or worse than drunk driving your car off a bridge and leaving your passenger for dead?
I’m looking forward to hearing Bill Clinton speak about Obama. If you can’t trust a president who was impeached for committing perjury in a court case where he was accused of sexually assaulting a subordinate, who can you trust?
“I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. Those allegations are false!”. He sounded really convincing, didn’t he? So bold and emphatic. So sincere.
I’ll bet he sounds just as sincere when he speaks of Obama.
Are the black churches and N.C. schools bussing? I would think both would frown on all that kissing.
Get off the high horses boys and girls, accidents and bad judgement happens to even the nicest of people.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp
If being a dirt bag in your personal life negates everything else, plenty of charities now have to close and nothing Nixon (among others) did can ever be noted.
“At least we know now that unless Obama does something worse than killing someone we won’t hear a disparaging word from ol’ Dano regarding Obama.”
Wrong, again. I’ve already criticized Obama for not getting out of Afghanistan, and for agreeing to extend all the Bush tax cuts.
I could understand any liberal who refused to vote for his re-election on those factual grounds.
65,000 tickets?????…even if that were true, that would mean that obama and 20,000 of his lying minions would be inside, while 45,000 stood outside in the `thunderstorms`…….As of yesterday, the Country`s debt went to $16,000,000,000,000.00….AND RISING ! $16 Trillion….The ECONOMY is in the TANK !!!!!!!!
matt, a medical examiner’s word is the final judgment on those cases. If they didn’t do an autopsy they determined that they didn’t NEED TO DO ONE to determine cause of death.
I realize facts mean nothing to you people, so not sure why I’m bothering.
Gone but not forgotten ??? Forgotten, until now….Gone for good.
Other john, Gdumbass, and the other blind mice….We ALL know why they are moving and you know it too…plain as the lying nose on Clintons face. Can`t fill the Stadium.
So should divers be called in to override the determination of all medical examiners on drowning incidents? What are the diver’s credentials for making such a medical determination? None. To say so is the height of ignorance.
Just say you hate the man and be done with it. Stop trying to say that, in effect, all he had to do was extend his hand to the trapped victim.
Jeff Doto – do you have a 401K? How is it doing? Do you have any stocks? How are they doing? Notice people have money enough to impact the skyrocketing auto sales? “Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It’s Barack Obama?”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/
You really need to move outside the FauxNews bubble and visit us here in reality…it isn’t all doom and gloom, Can it get better, of course, but not under anything like a Romney/Ryan administration.
#33 If they’ve got 65,000 already, doesn’t matter if they can’t fill it, Dolto. But scheduling it outside in Charlotte this time of the year was pretty dumb. I will admit that. You’d probably also have people passing out from heat and humidity.
“You’d probably also have people passing out from heat and humidity.”
Yeah, and then Obama would be up on stage telling them to get help from paralegals…right, gdad?
Let the poor girl rest in peace for her own bad choices and leave the dead alone FGS! Or better yet, ask Romney to baptize them both!
“Or better yet, ask Romney to baptize them both!”
Best line of the day so far.
#37 Gosh, matt, he corrected that one immediately. But then you never correct your idiocies on this blog.
Sure, Kristen/Saintbridge. Maybe YOU missed the facts. Fact: the examiner did NOT conduct an autopsy. Wait, I know! He must have been the most amazing medical examiner ever! He can just look at a victim and tell how they died! It is absolutely beyond speculation as to WHY he wouldn’t spend a little time to conduct an autopsy, right? Certainly there was no pressure whatsoever from one of the most powerful families in America, right? LOL. So, what happened to all that “science” you libs always rely on?
Also, to suggest that a rescue diver should have no say and should not be able to voice an educated opinion based on years of experience is the height of ignorance. Throwing out the diver’s opinion while relying on an opinion from an examiner who never conducted an examination is the height of ignorance.
All he had to do was extend a hand? Ha! I never said that. But, pretty much any sane human would expect an effort to actually rescue her, not simply leaving the scene of the crime and then failing to report it until 9 hours later…thus ensuring certain death for the female victim. That’s a big difference Saintbridge, even if you choose to be blind to it.
I think it’s interesting that the Dems showed the video of Teddy, especially in the wake of reports the the GOP nixed a hologram of Reagan because they were concerned Romney would look hollow by comparison.
By comparison to a hologram, that is. Priceless!
Really Dan what in the world did he ever do? He got kicked out of Harved for cheating. He graduated from a very good law school other than that can’t see he accomplished abythig. Did he ever manage or run a business? Make himself or anyone else any money? Of course not he was a career politician? Other than graduating from Law School Icant see that he accomplished much of anything.
Hey Kristen
Master’s-degree matt is a better judge of the cause of a death that occurred (probably) before he was born than the medical examiner in Massachusetts at the time.
Can’t you grasp that?
Found submerged in water. Not breathing. Cause of death? Hmmm. That’s a tough one!
Matt, is that kind of like Romney telling the woman whose house was under water from hurricane Issac that should go home and call 211 for assistance?
#43 Hey why not? We have a poster who knows better than the guy who owned the Kent Square Subway why he closed the business.
Dana, since you obviously were alive during this incident, YOU know better. I guess that particular medical examiner and yourself have a lot in common- you guys base nothing on fact, just your opinions.
Can’t you grasp that?
Bill, if you want an accurate comparison, I think it would be more like Romney seeing the woman drowning in floodwaters from Hurrican Issac, and then simply walking away (but calling authorities 9 hours later to alert them to a drowning woman). Lol.
hey sandi, your comment about “let the poor girl rest in peace for her own bad choices….” says volumns about you. blaming the victem, eh? yep, you excuse ol’ teddy, by blaming mary jo’s “bad choices”. no doubt, ol’ monica made some “bad choices”, eh? …certainly not the man of the hour, bubba bill?
#26 Henry, The good thing for Bill Clinton is that the bar was set so low the first night of the convention. For the Dems, leading off with Jimmy Carter was a brilliant move. If the next two speakers had been Castro and Charles Manson it would’ve been a step up. Clinton is even a step up. Arguably, even Biden might be a step up… nah…, but he wouldn’t be a step down.
Nobody believes anything Bill Clinton says anyway. http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/08/a-river-runs-through-the-tuesday-open-thread/#comments Check out the comments at #206 and #210.
Matt, you can ask whomever you wish for an “opinion”. Doesn’t matter. The medical examiners determination is ALL that matters.
As we’ve learned on thus blog, you can find people nutty enough to say anything. Your “diver” is just another on a kong list.
Dan:
Your admiration for the work Edward Kennedy did on behalf progressive causes is understandable. He deserves some credit.
However, he cared more about protecting his lofty position than doing the right thing that night at Chappaquiddick. This is why he didn’t seek help immediately. And because of that he killed a woman, who died by suffocation – not drowning.
@19 – OJ – That forecast sounds pretty similar to the forecast fore the VT vs GTech game the other night. We didn’t see them canceling the game on Saturday did we? Looks like empty seat day was about to go all empty stadium day. LOL.
#50 “Nobody believes anything Bill Clinton says anyway.”
Comment by VRWC — September 5, 2012 @ 12:06 pm
Because of your use of the qualifier, “Nobody”" I will disprove your unsubstantiated claim. I believe Bill Clinton when he speaks about Romney/Ryan’s plan pushing us backwards – back to the bad old days of trickle down, versus, President Obama’s Forward campaign.
That was ridiculously simple, no?
Bill Clinton’s made over $75 million in speaking fees since leaving office. Somehow I think they won’t have any trouble filling spots.
“#50 “Nobody believes anything Bill Clinton says anyway.”
There are perfectly good reasons for approaching with skepticism any statement by Clinton that has to do with extramarital dalliances. If you want to extend that to “everything,” I can understand that, too. But “nobody believes anything” is too strong. Even a stopped watch is correct twice a day.
Has Clinton ever lied? Of course. But you can say the same thing about everyone. VRWC, do you believe “nobody believes anything anyone says anyway”?
#54 Shillary and #56 Dan, as soon as I pressed “Post Comment” I knew I shouldn’t have used “Nobody.” I should have used “Few.” There will always be people who believe individuals like Bill Clinton are credible, and there will always be a work for fraud investigators.
#54 “That was ridiculously simple, no?”
Sometimes VRWC is ridiculously simple. Other times he isn’t. You never know which VRWC you’re going to get.
“Has Clinton ever lied?”
Under oath and on national TV with his finger in our face. Boldly and completely without reservation. He lied effortlessly to us. He even sent his wife and Cabinet out to back him and talk about how much they trusted him, even though he knew he was lying.
That’s one good thing about Clinton: He made a lot of Democrats look like complete fools.
“However, he cared more about protecting his lofty position than doing the right thing that night at Chappaquiddick. This is why he didn’t seek help immediately. And because of that he killed a woman, who died by suffocation – not drowning.”
Yep. You nailed it, Dave Gresham.
#53 We’ve also seen people standing out in very dangerous storms or hurriedly trying to get into inadequate shelter. And we certainly did see a game at Tech cancelled, not because of the forecast but because of a storm.
Unless you have evidence of anyone forcing that unfortunate young woman into the car, away from her companions, then yes, she made a bad choice. I have never defended Kennedy or Clinton (or Vitter, or Ensign, or Craig, or Foley, or Stevens), or anyone else of their bad behavior and as both the young woman and Kennedy are both dead, there seems little reason other than faux right wing outrage to even be discussing the issue.
The right, sure as hell is real “blamed” Sandra Fluke! So can the “blame the victim” BS!
If being guilty of moral turpitude or any crime is an indication that “Nobody believes anything” they say, where does that leave your hero, Limbaugh? Do you shun the TP/GOP pols who have done similar? Think Larry Craig told the truth? Think Vitter, Ensign, Foley or Stevens did? Get over yourself Terps.
Clean your own house before complaining about the condition of ours!
Romney would have solved the problem of potentisal danger from rain and lightening at Bof A stadium. He would have just tossed a couple of million bucks to the guys at Sports Authority (writtenm off on his taxes of course) and bought a one iron for every body entering the stadium. After all, Jack Nicklaus said “not even God can hit one iron.”.
“Romney would have solved the problem of potentisal danger from rain and lightening at Bof A stadium. He would have just tossed a couple of million bucks to the guys at Sports Authority (writtenm off on his taxes of course) and bought a one iron for every body entering the stadium. After all, Jack Nicklaus said “not even God can hit one iron.”
Or the Koch Bros would have come thru and put a roof on that joint lickety split.
Re: Comment by dave — September 5, 2012 @ 1:43 pm
Nice rework of an old joke.
Dave Gresham, I take your point and I certainly cannot gainsay it per se. However, from personal experience, I have seen someone suffer such a trauma that they were literally and completely “outside themselves”, beyond control, beyond rationality, beyond sanity for some amount of time. To this day decades later they cannot speak of it. Maybe Ted Kennedy is the monster many want to claim. Maybe he was the total villain and left that poor girl to die. And maybe he wasn’t. That is not for us to judge IMO.
sandi, sandi, sandi,
please elaborate on your earlier comment “Let the poor girl rest in peace for her own bad choices…”. please let us know what Mary Jo’s “bad choices” were?
also, is it your opinion that some rape victims also make bad choices? if they make bad choices, does that excuse the rape?
if Mary Jo made bad choices, please identify them, and then let us know if teddy should be excused for Mary Jo’s “bad choices”.
…by the way, all words above, within quotes, are YOUR words…
Matt, I asked my sarcastic question in response to your sarcastic statement about Obama calling the paralegals (not Ted Kennedy).
I was not defending Ted Kennedy
Sorry to nitpick, but the “one iron” quip came from Lee Trevino (who actually did get struck by lightning on a golf course in the mid ’70s).
Say What?@2:08
Can’t dispute your fact because I haven’t researched it. I do know that I have heard Jack Nickclaus say those exact words more than once as a commentator on golf telecasts. Maybe he just stole it from Trevino?
I figured Sandi would swoop in to add a “The girl was asking for it”.
War on Women, Democrat style.
Oh now see, the folks who defended Limbaugh’s tirade calling Fluke a “slut” are gonna pretend I have “blamed the victim”! Hypocrites!
Frank, if you cannot read or comprehend posts, that is not my problem.
You do not know one iota more than I do about what actually transpired between the two involved, stop pretending you do.
“Judge not, lest ye be judged,” wingnuts. Every American has been touched in positive ways from legislation sponsored by the Lion of the Senate. RIP, Senator Kennedy.
“Every American has been touched in positive ways from legislation sponsored by the Lion of the Senate.”
Yep, especially Mary Jo Kopechne…oh wait.
38.”Let the poor girl rest in peace for her own bad choices…”- Sandi (blaming the victim)
73. “Oh now see, the folks who defended Limbaugh’s tirade calling Fluke a “slut” are gonna pretend I have “blamed the victim”! Hypocrites!”- Sandi
Umm, SS? Which is it? You seem to be flopping all over the place again.
For what it is worth I actually like Bill Clinton. I don’t think the tax rates were fair and the cuts were the one thing Mr. Bush actually got right during his term. Business was great during the Clinton years, of course we did have a Republican Congress and Mr. Clinton governed to the right. Believe me I would take Mr. or Mrs. Clinton over what we have now any day of the week.
Sandi, what you said was, “Let the poor girl rest in peace for her own bad choices”. all i asked was, “what were those bad choices”?
I also asked what that statement means when directed to a rape victim…are they one and the same?
the way i see it, you could have meant any of the following:
1. “oops. my bad. i did not mean to say those words that way”.
2. “i said those words because i believe that MJK actually put herself in that bad situation, and she should be left to rest for her bad decision”. At which point i would query further be asking, “what bad situation did MJK put herself in, Sandi? And, did her bad decisions lead to her death?
3. Sandi, maybe you could offer your own rational, for why you said what you said, here in number 3?
Please notice, no insults, names, or mud-slinging has yet occured.
Michael Howdyshell, I’m glad you recognize that Clinton governed “to the right.”
Why haven’t you realized that Obama has done the same thing?
Clinton was focused on “other things” during his tenure, giving Congress a free reign. Because The Republicans were in charge, we didn’t have to worry about the economy. We did, however, have to hear about his active adulterous sex life and his mistreatment of women. War on Women indeed.
Obama was hampered by a Democrat Congress that kicked the legs out from under the outstanding Bush economy. However, Obama didn’t let a small thing like 10% unemployment keep him from playing 100 rounds of golf and taking lavish vacations. After all, why should he and Moochelle suffer along with us?
I am amazed at the callous disregard, in some of the liberal posts, towards a poor woman whose only mistake was to ride in a car with someone who had absolutely no concern for her wellbeing.
gdad,
Keep spinning the weather line and you will get dizzy. Hey, according to Emanuel he can make the rain stop… has the pres. lost his touch? I think that people have now found he is “out of touch”.
Henry, well said. bubba bill went the way that the repubs took him, and he is now idolized by the libs for doing so! that guy is a GREAT politician, and a LOUSY person.
Gee Frank, and no comprehension either apparently. I answered you. If you do not like the answer, you may “kiss my grits”. You are not even worthy of a reply for acting like such a total boor!
Clinton is a politician to his core, there is nothing else there IMO. His speech will carry no weight with me.
Yeah well Mike O, I was pretty “amazed at the callous disregard” of the conservative people here who defended Limbaugh and his assault on Fluke, so what? I do not believe I have been even half as “callous” toward a dead woman as they were to a living one.
I have been touched Art, right in the pocketbook. Dan Mr. Obama has goverened further to the left. Karl Rove wrote apiece in the WSJ last week about this exact topic. Google it and see
Ted killed a woman, didn’t he? Probably could have saved her life had he alerted authorities immediately.”
She drowned. He delayed reporting it. But there was no way for him to “alert authorities immediately” that could have prevented her drowning.
Comment by Dan Casey — September 5, 2012 @ 10:32 am
So why did she drown.
Ted Kennedy (seen his ex wife Joan stoned drunk and fall on Beacon St)
Ted was driving…Is that not murder…second degree at least!
ichael Howdyshell, I’m glad you recognize that Clinton governed “to the right.”
Why haven’t you realized that Obama has done the same thing?
Comment by Dan Casey — September 5, 2012 @ 4:11 pm
WHAT?
Need some help on this one…
Breaking news. Ted Kennedy got kicked out of Harvard and ended up UVA Law (big admirer of TJ’s UNIVERSITY)
Ted Kennedy WAS A JOKE in C’VILLE…I have a lot of friends who were in school with him.
TED KENNEDY was MARRIED and was chased by cops for DUI..TK was caught ON the floorboard of HIS car with another woman….Published in C’ville papers.
Ted Kennedy was and is a slime ball. No one could stand him. His daddy and brothers propped him up…or brothers legacy.
Kennedy killed a woman. He was a Senator.
Clinton sexually assaulted a woman.He was a President.
Limbaugh did not. He’s a journalist.
“kicked the legs out from under the outstanding Bush economy.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Henry, you are on a roll! They’ve got nothing!
“She drowned. He delayed reporting it. But there was no way for him to “alert authorities immediately” that could have prevented her drowning.”
Actually Dan, you may be legally correct in that drowning was listed on the death certificate. However, no autopsy was performed and the judge denied a request to exhume the body later. However, the diver who recovered her body said he was able to get to her within 25 minutes of being notified. He also said that her body position seemed to indicate that she suffocated when the air in the air pocket on the car ran out. They also estimated that the air would have lasted between two and three hours. If Kennedy hadn’t valued his own political and personal interests over the life of another person and delayed reporting the matter for NINE hours, she may well have lived. According to witnesses the fatal crash most likely happened at around 12:45. Kennedy was back in his motel room by approximately 2 am. If the air pocket info was correct, he could have notified someone and very possibly saved her life. Unfortunately there is no way to know for sure if she drowned or if she suffocated because the judge denied the request to exhume because, quite simply, they didn’t want to know what really happened.
The fact that you simply accept what’s written on the death certificate because it says what you want to hear is telling. But hey, tune in to the convention tonight where you will no doubt hear similar “truths” from Bill Clinton. I just hope he wags his finger in everyone’s face again when he tells America how none of the stuff that has happened during Obama’s presidency is Obama’s fault.
sandi, you have NEVER addressed why you said what you said about Mary Jo K’ “bad choices”….unless you believe that fuming about it counts for something. You said what you said without coercion, of free will and of free mind, and your words were:
“Let the poor girl rest in peace for her own bad choices”. You were referring to Mary Jo Kopechne(sp?)’s “bad choices”..
I am inquiring as to WHAT Mary Jo’s “bad choices” were, according to you. You have refused to describe what you meant when you called Mary Jo’s “bad choices” into question.
Maybe you should ask dano to come to your resue with this one. Maybe he will be able to craft a paragraph or two describing what you, like the pres, really MEANT to say…he and pbs think he’s pretty good at that, you know…meaning he must be pretty good at putting his “opinion journalist” skills to work offering missives about what “smart” people like obama, and presumably you, really MEANT to have said…
Also, since you’re a prolific fact-checker (i’m not calling you a name, sandi, you really are a prolific fact checker, and that’s a good thing), another thing you could do is, if you aren’t up to explaining what you allege Mary Jo K.’s “bad choices” were, maybe you could do a fact check and see if you really said that which you refuse to acknowledge…although we both know how that would turn out…
“I have been touched Art, right in the pocketbook.”
Poor thing, you might have to sell your Big Green Egg.
Pop quiz; Which pol was condemned as the vilest woman-hater by the leftwing media?
1. Ted Kennedy who killed a woman.
2. Bill Clinton who raped a woman.
3. Todd Akin who used a term that was taken out of context
Frank, I am seriously doubting your cognitive ability. For the last time, I answered you at 1:31PM at post #62. Shut up and go sleep it off. If you expect me or anyone else on earth to believe your efforts here were about respecting women or Mary Jo Kopechne, you should have stopped long ago. FlimFlambaugh’s badgering is not flattering, and neither is yours.
Why do none of the rightwankers want to talk about Bush and Margie Schoedinger?
‘Why do none of the rightwankers want to talk about Bush and Margie Schoedinger?”
Why can’t liberals discuss, argue or debate without resorting to name-calling most every time? That is my issue with the democratic party. It isn’t really the candidate and I actually agree with some, not all, but some of the platform, just as I do with the republican platform. It’s the arrogance, intolerance, vitriol, smug condescension, name-calling, personal insults and hypocrisy from the liberals in society that make me want to vote for the other guy.
Stevenelson, Kennedy would have been like 25 years older than you are. I would imagine many of his classmates from UVA have passed away. Explain to me how you have many “friends” who were in class with him.
I think you went to the Paul Ryan School of BS.
Sandi,
Regarding Mary Jo Kopechne’s(sp?) tragic death, which occured while she was out and about with Ted Kennedy, a rich and powerful US Senator, and member of one of the United State’s richest and most famous families,you said, “Let the poor girl rest in peace for her bad choices”.
I asked you “what were the bad choices you speak of, which you allege that MJK made.
Your response (I only include the words which appear to be in response to my query): “Unless you have evidence of anyone forcing that unfortunate woman into the car, away from her companions, then YES, SHE (my emphasis added) made a bad choice”.
Then you rail on about the right “blaming the victim” regarding Sandra Flucke… Huh? Mary Jo Kopechne died. Conversely, Sandra Flucke is apparantly doing what she has had her heart set on doing, and appears, based on her most recent tv appearance, to have the adolation of all of the women in the democrat party. Mary Jo is dead. And per you, Sandi, it’s because Mary Jo herself, made a “bad choice”.
Your response directly connects you to the reprehensible tactic employed by defense lawyers as they defend alleged rapists…”BLAME THE VICTIM”.
Good for you, you stood your ground, just like Akin has.
Q: Why do none of the rightwankers want to talk about Bush and Margie Schoedinger?”
Answer from Chuck: Why can’t liberals discuss, argue or debate without resorting to name-calling most every time? That is my issue with the democratic party. It isn’t really the candidate and I actually agree with some, not all, but some of the platform, just as I do with the republican platform. It’s the arrogance, intolerance, vitriol, smug condescension, name-calling, personal insults and hypocrisy from the liberals in society that make me want to vote for the other guy.
Chuck, plenty of policy debate goes on here. If you look at who’s doing the name calling, check posts by Suzie and pammala for starters.
“Why do none of the rightwankers want to talk about Bush”
I love talking about Bush’s 4.5% unemployment and low deficits compared to Obama’s 10% unemployment and $1,500B deficit.
As usual, Chuck and Frank see only what they want to see and nothing more.
Frank, I see that you don’t get it. Think what you like and what they tell you, it is obviously where you are comfortable. Odd how you can see so clearly that I “blamed the victim” but not that the accusers of Fluke did anything wrong. I bet you think we have been too hard on Palin, but Hillary got what she deserved too. You are not even smart enough to see the double standard when I laid it out in front of you with neon. Sad.
Bush had “low deficits”? Really?
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/the-fiscal-legacy-of-george-w-bush/
#100 Same question I was going to ask, Kristen. Don’t reckon you’ll get much of an answer.
Never Art, death before egg! Cooked dove on the Egg Monday night the were em em good.
My brother is a UVa Alum and the only thing he has ever been ashamed of UVa about is they let a person in Law School that was kicked out of another school for cheating.
……and had a hand in a yong lady dying
Wasn’t it Clinton who ‘quipped’ to Kennedy that racist comment about 0bama carrying their bags?
So the Democrats cheered a rapist, impeached liar, and racist last night. That’s where their party is, folks.
hey, Sandi, your words live on, as do your “blame the victim posture concerning Mary Jo Kopechne. You could have just said, “oops”. But no, you doubled down, just like Todd Akin…
In case anybody missed it, Sandi clearly and succinctly wrote that Mary Jo Kopechne made “bad choices” when she went off with Ted Kennedy,…which ultimately resulted in her death while trapped in Ted Kennedy’s sub-merged car. Sandi’s posture is a clear-cut example of “blame the victim”, where the the victim met a horrible and well-publicized death, while the rich, powerful politician she made the “bad choice” to “go out” with, went on to achieve idolizing stature within the liberal community.
To Sandi’s credit, she stood her ground. And while doing so, exposed her belief that women who make the apparently “bad choice” to simply go out with a man are responsible for what may befall them… if they might get raped?….or if, due to their “bad choice”…of “going out with a man”, they end up dead.
Sandi has… “Akined” herself.
Michael, TK went to law school before Chappaquidck.
I love hearing all the dirt on democrats from the party of Richard Nixon. Cast those stones, you guys are great. LMAO
“Don’t reckon you’ll get much of an answer.”
Not an intelligible one anyway.
MichaelH, a UVA student athlete beat his girlfriend – another student – to death recently. As a UVA alum that would concern me a lot more than Kennedy.
Frank, your comprehension skills certainly tells us why you support Willard. Keep on digging!
Richard,
It was Obama’s fault that Nixon was forced from office — didn’t you know? Obama burglarized Watergate, framed CREEP, then personally imitated Nixon’s voice on the White House tapes. Lest anyone roll their eyes and say, “but he was only 11,” that’s not true either. His actual Saudi birth certificate shows that Obama was born in 1948.
according to Sandi’s line of thinking, that uva student who got tragically beaten to death had clearly made a “bad choice” by ever dating the guy.
Dan.
Nixon went down trying to do the honorable thing by protecting his people. Hey he screwed up and was punished and you don’t see him being honored at the RNC convention.
Michael,
Nixon went down because he didn’t trust the American people.
Kristen
The monster in question was not admitted to UVa after he committed a Felony. Ted Kennedy was admitted to UVa after he had been dismissed by another institution for cheating.
#110 Show us where Clinton has ever been convicted of rape. And of course we know he’s not a racist.
Crickets.
I don’t think cheating at school is a felony. And Chappaquiddick didn’t happen until after he finished law school, as Dan pointed out.
I have a feeling that if the UVA alums, students, and admits were scrutinized, all sorts of stuff would come up. Like any other school. We just know of Ted Kennedy because he’s famous.
Michael – Perhaps you have not listened to the White House tapes where Nixon wanted Kennedy to have a deadly “accident”, to where he hired protesters to act like violent hippies to discredit war protesters, where he threw the Constitution out the proverbial window. Sorry, Mr. Nixon cannot be defended.
As for UVA and Kennedy, the school was most proud to have a Kennedy in school at the time and since. As for Chappaquiddick, the young lady was getting a ride home from Mr. Kennedy. She had worked for Bobby as I remember and was a family friend. The bridge was a one lane over a foggy river. The only witness was Kennedy who plead guilty to leaving the scene of an accident. Ted Kennedy remained a great leader in spite of his personal flaws. He readily recognized that the deaths of his brothers and sister, Chappaquiddick, and the failures of his marriage and illnesses of his wife, tragedies of his children, his airplane crash, all did to his psyche. He worked hard to rid his demons and in his latter years with the help of his second wife did so. Very few men could suffer as he did and come out of it as he did. He is a man to be admired for his leadership as well as his ability to continue after each tragedy befell him. He never gave up but kept climbing back. What a heroic man.
116. Dan, on good authority, I’m sure i read it in “Harlot’s Ghost” by Mailer, Obama infiltrated the CIA and convinced them the break in was essential for the takeover of the US by Islam. This was his 100 year plan to discredit the Nixon White House so that Agnew could step in. When Agnew was kicked out for fraud, he had to switch to plan B which was to bring in Iranian, Saudi, and Somali women to have babies born in the US. Then the CIA was to take them back to be raised as terrorists until they could come back to blow us up. He also worked to get Jimmy Carter to support the Afghans and Pakistani so we could train them in terrorism for the final days once he became President. He had Osama taken out because he was about to spill the beans.
“116. Dan, on good authority, I’m sure i read it in “Harlot’s Ghost” by Mailer, Obama infiltrated the CIA and convinced them the break in was essential for the takeover of the US by Islam. This was his 100 year plan to discredit the Nixon White House so that Agnew could step in. When Agnew was kicked out for fraud, he had to switch to plan B which was to bring in Iranian, Saudi, and Somali women to have babies born in the US. Then the CIA was to take them back to be raised as terrorists until they could come back to blow us up. He also worked to get Jimmy Carter to support the Afghans and Pakistani so we could train them in terrorism for the final days once he became President. He had Osama taken out because he was about to spill the beans.”
I’m sure there’s an email flying around about this, too.
Richard
He did open up China. I oviviously don’t care for Senator Kennedy my main arguments are political. He is a liberal and I’m a conservative.
Dan, just got to thinking and I realized that Mailer’s “Ancient Evenings” was really code for Obama’s dark plans of takeover. I was confused when I read it, but it all makes since now. Obama must have been controlled by Mailer. In fact it was really Obama that Paul Simon was writing about:
“A Simple Desultory Philippic (Or How I Was Robert McNamara’d Into Submission)”
I been Norman Mailered, Maxwell Taylored.
I been John O’Hara’d, McNamara’d.
I been Rolling Stoned and Beatled till I’m blind.
I been Ayn Randed, nearly branded
Communist, ’cause I’m left-handed.
That’s the hand I use, well, never mind!
I been Phil Spectored, resurrected.
I been Lou Adlered, Barry Sadlered.
Well, I paid all the dues I want to pay.
And I learned the truth from Lenny Bruce,
And all my wealth won’t buy me health,
So I smoke a pint of tea a day.
I knew a man, his brain was so small,
He couldn’t think of nothing at all.
He’s not the same as you and me.
He doesn’t dig poetry. He’s so unhip that
When you say Dylan, he thinks you’re talking about Dylan Thomas,
Whoever he was.
The man ain’t got no culture,
But it’s alright, ma,
Everybody must get stoned.
I been Mick Jaggered, silver daggered.
Andy Warhol, won’t you please come home?
I been mothered, fathered, aunt and uncled,
Been Roy Haleed and Art Garfunkeled.
I just discovered somebody’s tapped my phone.
126. Michael – he also bombed the hell out Cambodia before pulling out of Nam. Sorry, Richard Nixon was a man who had real psychological problems with paranoia. He began the Southern Strategy that has divided this Nation for 50 years and never let ethics or honesty stand in his way. He could have been a great politician and leader had he not had his mental problems. His staff went to prison as would he had President ford not realized how devastating it would have been for our Nation. Opening China may be turning out to be one of the biggest blunders we could have made now that they have grown so strong.