Obama: ‘It couldn’t have been the real Romney’
The counter-attack begins . . . as Romney begins backtracking on his “47 percent” remark.
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Friday, May 24, 2013
THE ROANOKE TIMES
Is this the latest propaganda from the Obama campaign? I hope they pay you well to push this stuff out for them.
How refreshing, the teleprompter is back telling him what to say.
He’s not telling the truth at least according to factcheck.org:
Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true. Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit.
To be clear, Romney has proposed cutting personal federal income tax rates across the board by 20 percent, in addition to extending the tax cuts enacted early in the Bush administration. He also proposes to eliminate the estate tax permanently, repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax, and eliminate taxes on interest, capital gains and dividends for taxpayers making under $200,000 a year in adjusted gross income.
By themselves, those cuts would, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, lower federal tax liability by “about $480 billion in calendar year 2015” compared with current tax policy, with Bush cuts left in place. The Obama campaign has extrapolated that figure out over 10 years, coming up with a $5 trillion figure over a decade.
However, Romney always has said he planned to offset that massive cut with equally massive reductions in tax preferences to broaden the tax base, thus losing no revenue and not increasing the deficit. So to that extent, the president is incorrect: Romney is not proposing a $5 trillion reduction in taxes.
http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious-denver-debate-declarations/
I hate to bring up suzie’s name but I just have to. Troll girl said that Romney was absolutely right about the 47% percent and that he should stick to it. Now we see Romney saying he was absolutely wrong about the 47 percent. Obviously the remark has damaged his campaign badly.
So, suzie, either Romney really was completely wrong and, hence, so were you, or he’s right and he’s now spineless liar for backtracking. Which is it?
Yep. All the liberals were surprised President Empty Suit looked so bad.
That’s the problem when you paint a false caricature. You begin to believe your own lies. They convinced themselves Romney was a silver-spooned pretty boy. What they saw was a brilliant accomplished supremely confident alpha male.
They convinced themselves 0bama was brilliant smooth and otherworldly. What they saw was a weak, overmatched bumbling fraud.
Sounds like Barry is in denial
Is this the REAL Obama?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCN5-ovvFL0
What happened to this guy?
Liberal political tolerance on display:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/04/14220157-pa-student-who-wore-romney-shirt-teacher-told-me-to-get-out-of-the-classroom?lite
Ya, ole Mitter’s walking back that 47% nonsense. Guess all of the loyal sheeple who defended it as the truth to bolster him up have officially been thrown under the bus.
Well look at this! This also looks like the speech that our President spoke and said that we were going to export jobs. Funny we won’t see or hear about that here.
Speaking of real. Would real be when you go in front of a specific group or race of people and change your annunciation, speech patterns and dialect??
Dan Casey just keeping it real.
Captain Fraud, telling us what’s “REAL” and what’s not. lol
“However, Romney always has said he planned to offset that massive cut with equally massive reductions in tax preferences to broaden the tax base, thus losing no revenue and not increasing the deficit. So to that extent, the president is incorrect: Romney is not proposing a $5 trillion reduction in taxes.”
UTR, it’s difficult to understand what “preferences” means in this context, but let’s cut the jargon and get down tow brass tax. Obama’s point was that if you eliminated all the deductions, and all the credits for everyone, they still don’t come close to making up for the $5 trillion in tax rate cuts Romney is proposing. The president is right about that, Romney is wrong. He’s being deceptive.
The president won that part of the debate, btw.
#2 You are aware, aren’t you, UTR, that Romney uses a teleprompter? Just thought I’d help you out a little.
“However, Romney always has said he planned to offset that massive cut with equally massive reductions in tax preferences to broaden the tax base,”
Details, details
“Ya, ole Mitter’s walking back that 47% nonsense. Guess all of the loyal sheeple who defended it as the truth to bolster him up have officially been thrown under the bus.”
Only took him, what, 17 days?
#9 “Would real be when you go in front of a specific group or race of people and change your annunciation, speech patterns and dialect??”
James, you’re a little late picking up on this one from your right-wing overloards.
Politicians do it all the time, James. George Bush dropped his “G’s” more when he was in front of a more Texas-like crowd. I did it all the time when I was reporter because if I won trust faster that way.
Obama didn’t think of that. His speech writers placed that on his teleprompter and he read it.
When he has to think for himself, without his teleprompter, he’s in trouble…
“Would real be when you go in front of a specific group or race of people and change your annunciation, speech patterns and dialect??”
James Swingle,
Next you’ll be criticizing Romney for wearing jeans when he meets with coal miners on the campaign trail, and a suit for the debates. There is formal wear and informal wear. The same goes for speeches and enunciation. They all do it — cheesy grits, remember?
#15 Oh, god, the teleprompter meme is back.
47 percent.
Adjusting your speech patterns to better model your audience is a highly evolved and effective speaking technique. Most people who address various different groups of people from different populations alter their presentation in some way from group to group. There’s nothing new here.
“Obama didn’t think of that. His speech writers placed that on his teleprompter and he read it. When he has to think for himself, without his teleprompter, he’s in trouble…”
Yeah, unlike this guy.
“I met an onion grower at the airport today, and he said, ‘You gotta help me find people that’ll blow onions.” LOL
I have to say. I have never changed my dialect when talking to a specific group of people. I think it’s hilarious 0bama tried to sound like a ghetto black man. Hillary and Algore tried this too, with equally ridiculous results. Is there anything real about ANY Democrat?
I did it all the time when I was reporter because if I won trust faster that way.
That is the most ridiculous thing ever. People don’t trust a phony. Is that what the RT instructs its reporters to do? LOL.
#19 Yeah, Dan, it’s absolutely fascinating to watch all these former Bush supporters making fun of somebody who isn’t quite as fast on his feet as some or who doesn’t express his thoughts as well as as a more polished politician. BUSH SUPPORTERS. On of which keeps claiming he was the greatest president EVER.
And then they can’t helps themselves — they just have to mention the teleprompter. You know, that device that Romney uses almost all the time.
Mitt should not have backtracked on the 47% comment. Jeez, he just beat the sh*t out of the idiot and now he’s throwing him a lifeline? Must have gotten a call from the GOP leadership. Hell, they’re probably mad at him for beating 0bama up so bad.
#20 Yeah, right.
#20 Come on, suzie, I’m still waiting to hear from you whether Romney (and you) was just flat-out wrong about the whole 47 percent thing, or whether he was right and therefore is a spineless liar for saying he was wrong. Which is it?
25
Romney shouldn’t even be commenting on the the 47% thing, But if he had to, he should be busting the 0bama campaign on it’s lie, then reiterated what he originally said and meant- that there’s no point in working for the freeloader vote. The Food Stamp class will vote for 0bama no matter what. Keep them freebies rolling in.
#21 suzie, honey pie, when you’re down in the coalfields covering a coal strike, you don’t break out your best King’s English. Bad idea if you want to get information. But my accent change didn’t sound phony, either. I was born and raised in Roanoke and grew up around all kinds of western Virginia accents and dialects. OTOH, I didn’t try to imitate a New England or Brooklyn accent because I knew that WOULD sound phony.
Why ya’ll always gots ta be frontin’ on how I be talkin and sh*t? Dis be how I do ery’ day, son. Dis be da real me. Dem other folk be straight trippin. You best recognize.
#26 OK, so I’ll take that as “Romney’s a spineless lying politician.” Thanks.
“I have never changed my dialect when talking to a specific group of people.”
I doubt the people on the barstools to the left or right differ much.
Rumor has it obama has asked Romney to write his acceptance speech next year for him when he puts in his application to be a ‘community organizer’ again.
Suzie, why don’t you go pahk yer caaah? Its wheels are spinning.
Dan;
Making one statement as a joke (cheesy grits)is not changing your speech patterns to make people think you are one of them. Where I grew up that would be called patronizing.
Face it right wingers, Rmoney has decided he needs to quit running as some dude to the right of Reagan and run more like first-election George W. Bush. It’s the only way he’ll get elected. And Obama foolishly let him get away with it Wednesday.
Obama didn’t bring up the 47% thing because it was taken out of context and he didn’t want to give Mitt a national platform to explain it since the press won’t cover what was actually said. Once explained the millions he has spent on advertisements on it would be down the tank.
It has more shelf life as a statement taken out of context. Obama knows that.
Here’s the link for Romney’s disavowing his 47 per cent remarks. Once again, Mitt proves that he’ll say anything to any group if it means he thinks he can get their vote. When he was making that 47 per cent speech to his billionaire buddies, that was the firat and only time in this campaign that he sounded honest and in his element like he relly believed in something. Anyone who trusts a man who takes so many diffrent positions on every issue is gullible and in denial. The man is a liar and a shameful opportunist.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04/mitt-romney-47-percent_n_1941423.html?utm_hp_ref=daily-brief?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=100512&utm_medium=email&utm_content=NewsEntry&utm_term=Daily%20Brief
Job figures revised upward for July and August,. Net job gain again in September. Unemploymdnt rate drops to 7.8%. DJA back to a new record high
nearly 7000 points above the level when it bottomed out due to the Bush depression. Is the economy where we’d all like it to be? No. But has Obama turned it around and headed it in the right direction? Emphatically yes!
#32 She’s already worn out several sets of tires.
“Obama didn’t bring up the 47% thing because it was taken out of context and he didn’t want to give Mitt a national platform to explain it since the press won’t cover what was actually said. Once explained the millions he has spent on advertisements on it would be down the tank.”
Was that BobH blaming Obama for not doing something, or praising the president? It’s hard to tell. . .
37
yeah…sure, dave.
Yeah, Rmoney’s running like hell from his “47%” crap because he was “taken out of context”. Not.
Fom BobH
Obama didn’t bring up the 47% thing because it was taken out of context and he didn’t want to give Mitt a national platform to explain it since the press won’t cover what was actually said. Once explained the millions he has spent on advertisements on it would be down the tank.
It has more shelf life as a statement taken out of context. Obama knows that.
Comment by Bob H — October 5, 2012 @ 10:54 am
Maybe BobH would like to explain how the 47% speech was “taken out of context” shen actually Mother Jone released the whole damn tape. It wasn’t a few words taken oiut of context the way Republicans di on Obama’s “you didn’t build that” It was a long, naturally flowing speech to a bunch of billionaire true believers which prooived beyond a doubt that Romney would say anything to get their vote or support. And now, when he thinks it will get him support from independents, he tries to back out and disavow it. Therewas nothing taken out of context in that statement.
“Would real be when you go in front of a specific group or race of people and change your annunciation, speech patterns and dialect??”
Yeah. Who would do such a thing?
@2: FactCheck is wrong this time, or, rather, overthinking things.
Romney has promised a 20 percent across the board tax cut. That’s a specific number, and that will cost $5 trillion. He has also promised to make it up, somehow, by limiting deductions and closing loopholes. Until he ponies up with the details, Obama is absolutely right to say that Romney has proposed a $5 trillion tax cut that he has not shown how he can pay for. Independent analysts say it can’t be paid for without eliminating deductions and loopholes Romney has already taken off the table.
#35 Out of context, Bob H? Even Romney isn’t claiming that. And now he says it was wrong.
26. Suzie – Rhino Mitt continues his journey to the middle. His admitting he was completely wrong about the 47% is just one more leap away from the crazy Tea party. It won’t work because no one can believe him now; but is is fun to see the GOP finally drop the RWer crappola.
BobH: Exactly how was the 47 percent thing taken out of context? Explain, please. By the way, here it is, in full context:
There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. And he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not, what it looks like. I mean, when you ask those people…we do all these polls—I find it amazing—we poll all these people, see where you stand on the polls, but 45 percent of the people will go with a Republican
Neither Dan. Not hard to tell at all.
Obama was trying to do what is best for Obama, which is par for the course. The country is on down the list….
Nice try Dave, some places have started their seasonal hiring early, and Obama is just playing games with how this is reported by driving how the labor pool is reported down. It is not the real unemployment rate and it does not calculate the underemployed.
Even if real (which it is not), only desperate dems would crow about 7.8% unemployment.
Things are not better. This is just a “let them eat cake” caveat from the Obama team.
Just back from hearing P J Crowley speak. Great time. Interesting how he sees Benghazi and Libya. Libya as one of the all time perfect military missions. Benghazi as a tragedy that our Ambassador and staff knew the risks but accepted them. He comment was simply “you cannot do your job as Ambassador locked in a fortress. All Ambassadors understand the risks but know they have to be in the public eye to get the job done.” He also said the US is still trying to find out which group attacked. That Libya has many, many groups that have weapons and want to cause a break between Libya’s new government and the US as a means of gaining power. Our State Department has to be methodical in its work to get the right attackers. In other words – Mitt needs to shut up.
He also said how Romney is wrong on China. China has its won problems and that while they cheat on the economy, we must work with them for the World economy as a whole.
On Iran, he does not believe Iran will develop a nuclear weapon and he believes that bombing them will force Iran to have to build one after which all of the middle east will acquire them.
Things are not better? I’m always amazed when people can say that with a straight face. We’ve had, what, 40 months now of straight private sector job growth? (Obama’s overseen the creation of more jobs in less than four years than Bush did in eight). Compare that to the months before Obama took office and got the stimulus passed: We were losing upwards of 750,000 jobs a month. If the public sector hadn’t slashed more than half a billion jobs (with Republicans cheering each and every one), unemployment would be far, far lower.
The Dow has broken several four-year highs recently. It was in a free-fall when Obama took office.
The American auto industry was on the brink of collapse when Obama took office. Thanks to his bold efforts, it not only survived, but is thriving. The housing industry is also making a comeback.
Things are not better? Only if you’re a Republican trying to win the White House.
(should be half a MILLION jobs; not half a BILLION)
Dan,
When it was first widely reported it was being taken out of context. The whole video was not being made available. So, therefore, when the Obama attack ads started using that, they were using those words out of context.
I guess Obama calling the police stupid was out of context too? Or when he said 3 years and I don’t deserve to be re-elected if it isn’t fixed?
When do we get full disclosure (from the Obama administration) on the murder of our ambassador Dan?
Why isn’t Obama and why aren’t you dems running on HIS record instead of attacking Romney?
Why are you crowing about 7.8% unemployment when you know it isn’t true and would be embarassing even if it was true.
Unemployment AVERAGED, under 8 years of Bush, 5.3%. FIVE POINT THREE PERCENT! And that wasn’t using this “new method” of calculation that Obama adopted (you know, yes, that was the Obama team that once crowed about the rate of the INCREASE of unemployment had slowed even though unemployment had gone up-WOW-now there is a reach)
It must be a slow day for Radmacher today…..
Welcome back to Dan Radmacher, former editorial page editor of The Roanoke Times!
Dan,
When it was first widely reported it was being taken out of context. The whole video was not being made available. So, therefore, when the Obama attack ads started using that, they were using those words out of context.
BobH, do you leave such piles of horse manure lying around your 70 acres in Bedford County? I hope not.
It was not being taken out of context when was first widely reported. At the time it hit the news, it was part of a lengthy video clip posted only. Within 48 hours of that report — and LONG BEFORE any Obama attack ad based on it appeared, the entire video was online.
You must be thinking of the RWer whining and taking out of context of Obama from his appearance here in Roanoke in July.
The Labor Department reported that 953,000 part-time workers were added last month. It’s a no benefit, part-time recovery.
Part time for economic reasons +582,000
Slack work or business conditions +306,000
Could only find part-time work +65,000
In 2006, 5 years after Bush took office, the average unemployment rate was under 5%. And the Democrats said we were in dire economic straits.
Spin that up for us, Dan’s.
Bob H obviously knows better than Romney, who is NOT claiming now and NEVER has claimed it was taken out of context. I realize that Romney was the only who was recorded talking, but obviously Bob H is more knowledgeable about what happened than is Mitt.
Actually, what happened, Bob H, is that there was an acknowledgement that there was a minute or two of what Romney said missing because the person recording it didn’t get it, but, again, Romney NEVER claimed it was out of context or that that minute or two changed his point. Even troll suzie gave up on that BS one quickly.
#55 Well, Henry, as it turned out we were indeed heading into trouble then because of Bush and the Repub Congress, so that was pretty astute of the Dems.
Bob,
As Dan Casey said, you are simply wrong. Mother Jones first reported the 47 percent comment, and they included the full video.
Obama didn’t call the police stupid, he said what they did was stupid – and since they ended up arresting the guy, I guess maybe he was right.
Obama didn’t say he should be fired if everything wasn’t fixed in three years, he said he should be fired if he didn’t get the economy turned around. Clearly, he has gotten the economy turned around (if you don’t think so, you must have an EXTREMELY short memory).
You know, the entire Democratic convention was about Obama’s record. Very little was aimed at Romney. On the other hand, the Republicans devoted an entire day to a stupid attack on an out-of-context, willfully misinterpreted Obama quote (the gist of which every thinking American agrees with, even Romney).
Whatever the unemployment rate, the fact is that more net jobs have been created under four years of Obama than eight years of Bush. That is a simple fact: http://www.futuresmag.com/2012/09/06/obama-vs-bush-on-job-creation
Henry still thinks Bush’s term ended in 2005 and that’s his benchmark for the Bush presidency. Guess what, he still had three more years for the effects of his policies to start us on the road to economic ruin. And that is exactly what happened.
The Democrats took over Congress in 2006 which was the beginning of the fall.
@58 – Facts? I see Sheriff Spin has arrived.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/313383/look-jobs-numbers-and-so-called-recovery-veronique-de-rugy
Heres another link.
http://www.jeffkropf.com/media/photos/myth-obama-has-created-more-jobs-bush
and yet another…
http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-economic-sleight-of-hand/
Radmacher and Casey in the same place again. What did we do to deserve this again? I thought Obama as President for 4 years was bad enough. Dan R. not sure about how that more jobs than Bush were created number comes out. Are you talking about part time jobs with evil companies who don’t offer free contraceptives? Weren’t those laughed at in the Bush years? Clearly he has the economy turned around??? Whoa. 46,000,000 on food stamps, record foreclosures, NO job growth unless tweaked by the government, stock market held up by the Fed. GDP at a standstill.
Futures Mag cover this month had the democrat donkey on the cover with the tin foil hat with the caption 4 More Years.
I really doubt you want to start comparing fact checks between Romney and Obama:
http://factcheck.org/tag/mitt-romney/
Romney’s the biggest, most consistent, least shameless liar to run for president, ever.
Only 30 percent of the Romney statements checked by PolitiFact turned out to be true or mostly true. On the other hand, more than half of the Obama statements checked by PolitiFact were true or mostly true.
On the other hand, 43 percent of Romney’s statements were found to be mostly false, false, or pants-on-fire lies. Obama only had 28 percent that fit in that category.
Keep in mind that, as president for four years, Obama’s had a lot more statements vetted by PolitiFact.
No politician is a bastion of honesty, but Romney takes dishonesty to a whole new level.
Below is a link to an article which clearly outlines the lies Mitt told during the Wednesday night debate. I’m not quite sure why Obama didn’t call him on the lies. I guess we’ll find out in the next 6 weeks. A warning that the second page of the article uses a word that I don’t usually include in my posts. I tried to delete the word but couldn’t. I’m sure someone will see it and complain about it.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/highly-debatable-the-big-liars-biggest-lies/
Interesting when the Job Report has been bad for Obama the republicans crowed like crazy, when he gets a good one then the numbers are fixed. If he could have fixed them, don’t you think he would have blown Romney out of the water months ago and saved millions in advertising?
If I am not mistaking, while discussing entitlements during the debate, Rhino Mitt called the poor “your poor” . Another real slap by Flip Flopping Rhino Mitt.
suzie, honey pie, when you’re down in the coalfields covering a coal strike, you don’t break out your best King’s English. Bad idea if you want to get information. But my accent change didn’t sound phony, either.
Did you do a black accent when you went to talk to black folks? You know, to earn their trust. To make them think you were like them.
If you people were not so woefully ignorant of what the people you support have done to this nation, I might be persuaded that you give a tinker’s damn about anything since. Thanks but I will pass on the BS, which is all you have to offer and why you are going down again.
We can trade lying links all night ling, Romney is an empty suit and he will never stand for anything. He has no values, except getting what he wants.
Will Romney’s debate lies become the story?
By Jonathan Bernstein
The First Debate: Mitt Romney’s Five Biggest Lies
The truth behind that $5 trillion tax cut, pre-existing conditions and more
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-first-debate-mitt-romneys-five-biggest-lies-20121004#ixzz28TCuvcJR
10 Most Shameless Romney Debate Lies — Debunked
Your conservative relatives should see this.
Even his own damn campaign has to “fact-check” the man! You see in politics, if you want to replace someone, you need to do that with a better person, a better candidate, with better ideas and values.
So what if Obama lies, so does Romney! What is it you cannot grasp about that? Romney brings nothing to the table. Nothing.
Perhaps what has suze and matt so upset is not how Obama sounds when he talks to black audiences, but how he sounds when he talks to white ones. I reckon they believe he doesn’t sound “black” enough. How dare he?
Romney has promised a 20 percent across the board tax cut. That’s a specific number, and that will cost $5 trillion. He has also promised to make it up, somehow, by limiting deductions and closing loopholes. Until he ponies up with the details, Obama is absolutely right to say that Romney has proposed a $5 trillion tax cut that he has not shown how he can pay for. Independent analysts say it can’t be paid for without eliminating deductions and loopholes Romney has already taken off the table.
Sorry, Rad. The 0bama campaign has already admitted to lying, saying Romney’s proposed cuts “aren’t even close to $5 trillion” which confirms CNN’s own analysis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTL9PB1oiF0
So why do the leftwingers in here persist with that debunked lie?
“
Rhino
LMAO. Could someone PLEASE help Richard Beason out? Every time he makes this boner, it gets funnier and funnier.
Perhaps what has suze and matt so upset is not how Obama sounds when he talks to black audiences, but how he sounds when he talks to white ones. I reckon they believe he doesn’t sound “black” enough. How dare he?
So Dan, Gdad says he altered his dialect to suit his interview subject. when he reported for the Roanoke Times. Do you do that too? Does the RT have you do that?
Below is a link to an article which clearly outlines the lies Mitt told during the Wednesday night debate. I’m not quite sure why Obama didn’t call him on the lies. I guess we’ll find out in the next 6 weeks. A warning that the second page of the article uses a word that I don’t usually include in my posts. I tried to delete the word but couldn’t. I’m sure someone will see it and complain about it.
Hey Liberal Ron, what did you think of the HUGE 0bama lie that’s been the cornerstone of his campaign that Mitt Romney is calling for $5 trillion in tax cuts, a claim that’s been disproven by both CNN and confirmed as a lie by the 0bama campaign? Does that bother you?
Love seeing Dan Radmacher back blogging here! Watching the right wing meltdown is Honey Boo Boo with typing, but it is entertaining.
Things are not better? Only if you’re a Republican trying to win the White House.
Comment by Dan Radmacher — October 5, 2012 @ 2:16 pm
Instructions for your shovel; “dig hole (in sand); insert head in hole.”
A miracle of manipulation occured today; the unemployment rate descended to 7.8%. GOK (God Only Knows) how many more quit looking and got dropped or if they are adding all the advertised jobs (part-time) that are planned (not quite real yet) for the Christmas Season.
Things are not better, period. Obama cannot not run on the economy, period. Obama cannot run on foreign policy, period. Obama cannot run on
transparent, efficient or honest government. Obama will not be effective
in any of the other debates; he has not a leg to stand on or a pot to pee in (looked like he needed to go in the first debate). Biden versus Ryan will be must see TV. Unfortunately, we will get to see much more of the “real Obama” as this campaign will now be painted Chicago Thug ugly.
Dan needs to get a Burka.
politifact is a lefty “fact” check organ.
#73: “Perhaps what has suze and matt so upset is not how Obama sounds when he talks to black audiences, but how he sounds when he talks to white ones. I reckon they believe he doesn’t sound “black” enough…”
Dan, you nailed it exactly, evidenced by how much as a certain poster talks approvingly about Republican African-Americans like Cain having “100% slave blood”. It reminds me of the inspired line “the zebra thinks he’s half not black”, which beautifully mocks those regressives who can’t abide self-identification in others.
Oh, and by the way, DNA proves that terps and Elizabeth Warren share a common ancestor, but he refuses to acknowledge it.
Ahh. And dan pulls the race card… What card is next? Gender or class envy?
(door)matt’s still bitter because, unlike President Obama, he only got accepted to a girl’s school.
Ladies and gentlemen you’re being fed a lie from the 0bama Labor Department.
There was no big unemployment drop. As the Harvard Professor said, this is book-cooking. The administration took over a million workers off the rolls in September in order to bring the unemployment percentage down.
The labor participation rate is the most accurate barometer of a nation’s employment health. The rate today is 63.5%, down from July, mark of 63.6%. The claim of economic improvement the past month is a damned lie, designed to resuscitate a moribund campaign.
I don’t alter my dialect. But I often alter my demeanor. Not for any reason of race or ethnicity, though. It has much more to do with the nature of the story I’m pursuing.
Romneys “winning” debate performance, not only did he lie, he had to cheat to do it. Prepared notes are forbidden. How long will the “liberal” media keep covering for this chump?
I don’t alter my dialect. But I often alter my demeanor.
Sure, but that’s not nearly the same ridiculous thing Gdad and Kristen are saying about adopting an accent.
Tomorrow we’re going to visit our doctor friends from India. Got to brush up on my trilling. Got to relate, you know.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
#76 “So Dan, Gdad says he altered his dialect…”
Lying again, suzie. As I clearly said in #27, I altered my accent. And as I already clearly pointed out, I altered it only when it was an accent that was natural for me.
#70 Guess what, suzie, I married into a family from the coafields so I AM partly one of “them.” Folks from far Southwest Virginia, that is. I haven’t the slightest idea how to talk “black,” or really even what that is, since African-Americans have MANY different accents and dialects.
Boy are you an idiot.
See what I said before, suzie just can’t keep race out of her comments. Pitiful.
Steve C,
I believe you are suggesting that matt was an affirmative-action admission to grad school.
With regard to my reply about dialect to Suzie:
I don’t care what other reporters do in the pursuit of information, as long as they aren’t dishonest. That’s where I draw the line.
It’s weird, but many people find me intimidating. This includes co-workers. I’m kind of mystified by this. Because the truth is, I’m a pipsqueak kitten hiding behind another persona. I’m a friendly teddy bear, unless I think you’re withholding info from me. Then I can get a little scary. But I’m not a total a–hole about it.
Suzie Q,
Since I don’t believe most of what you say, I am not sure how old you are. I will turn 66 on Sunday. I am a baby boomer. My generation has impacted nearly everthing that has happened in our country since the end of WWII. It will continue to do so for the next 20 to 30 years. Among those impacts is the one that relates to the labor participation rate that is figured into unemployment/employment statistics. Below are a couple of quotes from an article I recently read on the topic. A link to the entire article is below that. I suggest you and others read the entire article. Perhaps reading it will help you understand more completely how the daily retirement of as many as 10K baby boomers impacts the labor participation rate and the unemployment rate. Despite what you and all the conspiracy theorists believe there is a rational explanation.
My own retirement is at least a year and a half away. Not because I need to work, but because that’s the commitment I’ve made to my current employer. I will likely continue to work in interim positions for 5 or more years after that as long as my health permits or when I stop enjoying what I do. As the author of this article suggests, I don’t know how my part time work will be counted in the employment rate.
“So while I might be counted in at least one of the labor surveys, a larger percentage of people turning 65 are retiring. A recent article by the Chicago Federal Reserve Bank estimated that at least half of the decline in the labor force participation rate (LFPR) in the recent recession was due to retirement.
The participation rate, simply the percentage of people in the general population who are working, peaked at 67.3 percent in early 2000 and then fell by 3.6 percentage points to 63.7 percent as of January 2012, a decline more than twice as large as any since World War II, according to the Chicago Federal Reserve Bank.”
http://crosscut.com/2012/04/06/econ-finance/22178/How-boomers-will-change-retirement-jobless-rates/
#87 Once again for the intelligence impaired like suzie — I would NEVER try to adopt an unnatural accent like someone from India or even from New England. There’s absolutely nothing at all unnatural about me shifting my accent some to match folks from western Virginia. I was born and raised here. The proof was in the results — I came up with information and stories that the AP guy from somewhere in the midwest couldn’t get.
I would expect that Obama can shift quite naturally between African American vernaculars. A friend of my daughter’s is working on his Ph.D. and he switches back and forth with ease depending on the situation. There is nothing at all unusual about this.
OK, suzie, now that I’ve finished showing you for the childish dolt you are yet again, I’m done with this. Go practice your “trilling.” But don’t be surprised if your “doctor” friends smack you for it.
#92 Nope, never dishonest.
The Dow has broken several four-year highs recently. It was in a free-fall when Obama took office.
The American auto industry was on the brink of collapse when Obama took office. Thanks to his bold efforts, it not only survived, but is thriving. The housing industry is also making a comeback.
Things are not better? Only if you’re a Republican trying to win the White House.
Incomes are down, savings are down, the labor participation rate is lower than it was even in July, unemployment is way up. (The 7.8% is a bogus 0bama accounting trick where you discard those who have been long unemployed. The true number is 11%) The stock market is still not close to it’s zenith under Bush, gasoline is way up.
The new leftwing trick is if the economy isn’t going to hell as fast as it was when 0bama and his fellow Congressional Democrats brought it down is to say things are ‘improving’. They aren’t. The left is trying to convince people the economy is good when it isn’t, just as they are trying to pretend 0bama leads in the polls when he doesnt, just as they are trying to pretend 0bama didn’t get annihilated in the debate when he did.
Lying again, suzie. As I clearly said in #27, I altered my accent. And as I already clearly pointed out,
That’s equally ridiculous, granddad. So do did you practice your ‘black’ accent before you interviewed those people? You still haven’t answered.
Once again for the intelligence impaired like suzie — I would NEVER try to adopt an unnatural accent like someone from India or even from New England. There’s absolutely nothing at all unnatural about me shifting my accent some to match folks from western Virginia. I was born and raised here. The proof was in the results — I came up with information and stories that the AP guy from somewhere in the midwest couldn’t get.
That’s stupid as hell, Gdad. “Gdad got the scoop because he changed his accent”. LMAOOOOOOOOOOO.
Suzie,
Romney is calling for a $5 trillion tax cut, period. That’s how much it will cost to lower tax rates across the board by 20 percent. That’s a fact.
Now he says he will make up that cost by closing loopholes and ending deductions and through the economic growth fairy (how’d that work out for us during the Bush years? Not so hot). But while he’s specific enough about the tax cut, he hasn’t given any particulars on what loopholes he’d close or deductions he’d eliminate. We’re just supposed to trust him on that, even though every analyst that’s looked at it says the math does not, and can not add up. As Cutter said, best case scenario, he’s at least a trillion dollars off. That’s a trillion that will either end up being added to the debt or coming out of middle class pockets.
The Dow’s not close to its zenith under Bush? That’s as honest as anything you’ve said here Suzie Q. The zenith under Bush was just under 14,000. The Dow closed yesterday at 13,600.
Most observers would call that pretty damn close.
It’s a shame that the right would rather see the economy go to hell over the next couple of months than see Obama get a scintilla of credit for the obvious improvement that’s occurring.
The obama admin is telling the people that the new Unemploymnet #`s are 7.8%…imagine that..30 days away….two of the leading economists for the Bureau of Labor Statisics happen to be big obama contirbutors…The “U6“ number(the real unemployment number hidden by this administration)places the # at more than 14% !!!!!! This coincides with the 35,000 loss of manufacturing jobs in September !!!! DO NO BE FOOLED by FOOLS…Also, go and see `2016` the movie..Its all you need to know.
obamas `black` accent ? Pandering…plain and simple.
#74….Why ? Because they are sheep and will march to whatever drum obama and the media tell them to march to.
Well, saunders is breaking..and to the good…at least she admits obama is a liar…but not a very good one…couldn`t lie his way to a win in the debate…not enough talent available when he has to `wing` it….c`mon left, time to gather the wagons around the `annoited one`…he has been brutalized and left out for the wolves w/o his normal protection from the media, speech writers…poor little obama.
#`s 61-63…..Good job, Walker…but you don`t seem to understand….these itemsthat you presented are Facts…liberals don`t understand Facts and therefore, have no use for them. (Good `ol tormenting, pesky, pertinent Facts)
Hell, Radmacher…If I was foolish enough to believe the biased media as you are, I`d be on my front porch waiting for my `wheelbarrow of money`…You`re a democratic plantation sheep just as the rest of the left are….you`ll believe anything they tell you to believe, Sadly.
Golly…when you stretch and yawn after this much fun, you get somewhat dizzy…Almost like being in Denver.
But, what is really important is the love sATAN has for the democrats, what with the murder of innocent children, homosexuality, and the fact that the democrats want to take GOD OUT of everything !!
Suzie’s strong suit is dishonesty, here on this blog.
I guess by 11:13 the NightTrain started to sink in.
Suzie – You question Mitt being a Rhino? You thought so during the primaries while supporting Bachman, Perry, Santorum. Mitt was last on your list. He said all that Tea Party stuff and now is repudiating all of it.
Interesting to see that Jeff D seemed to have suffered a brain cramp this morning that lasted about 45 minutes. I hope he is feeling better now.
#112 Ron May,
Interesting observation, Ron. Jethro the Dodo was recently diagnosed with a terminal case of PORS, commonly known by its full name, President Obama Reelection Syndrome.
PORS takes over the prefrontal cortex of the frontal lobes, the area of the brain chiefly responsible for personality expression and the planning of complex cognitive behaviors, thereby leaving the sufferer in a significant state of vegetation that correlates strongly with zombie-like behavior. Initially the affliction allows the host to preform simple reflexive functions, i.e., booting up the PC and hammering out 8 or so incoherent actions like jethro did in the space of 38 minutes. Advanced stages consume the rest of the brain responsible for any intellectual activity, leaving the sufferer to pursue the functioning gray matter of normal people in a flailing attempt to replace their own. This dreadful and painful disease usually culminates in a painful fit of neurosis late on the evening of Nov. 6th with a haunting howl and subsequent expiration of the host.
It’s a cruel disease but at least it doesn’t string its victims out too long. Hang in there; this too shall pass and things should get back to normal in a few weeks.
#98 Thanks for more demonstrations of your lack of having a clue. Stick to what you know about — if such a thing exists.
Yes it is great to see Dan R. back. No one else can distort thr truth, change the rules in mid-play, and just flat ignore facts like he does. Let me see if I follow your logic Dan. When Romney says something you don’t like and FactCheck disputes it, Romney is lying because FactCheck said so and they are supposed to be non-partisan. However, when Obama lies and fact check calls him on it, FactCheck is wrong? Damned if that ain’t convenient.
You guys seem awfully wound up about Romney’s “lies” but don’t seem to mind a bit than Obama has made his living off of making and breaking unrealistic campaign promises. In one thread somebody actually said it’s not presidential to be aggressive. So apparently the president is supposed to be wuss. Also, apparently lying is okay if your name is Obama, but not if you are anyone else.
C’mon, Chuck. As a teacher you must know people don’t make decisions based on facts, they make decisions based on information that mirrors their own way of thinking. When confronted with anything the least bit uncomfortable they’ll double-down on their opinions, right or wrong. How do you tell if a politician is lying? And between you and me, you couldn’t polish Radmacher’s shoes.
C
Chuck – they cant admit all the bad stuff, and there IS a lot, about bammy the communist..
dan r – euuuuuuuu – couldnt get another job, eh? tuff crap , back to the old rag rt..LOL..it would do the old rt a world of good to hire someone that actually knows what they’re talking about..
I see gdud spends all day long on here, pretty sad
We’re just supposed to trust him on that, even though every analyst that’s looked at it says the math does not, and can not add up
That’s a lie. Even liberal CNN says the total is not even close to $5 trillion, as did Stephanie Cutter herself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTL9PB1oiF0
109.Suzie’s strong suit is dishonesty, here on this blog.
Comment by Dan Casey — October 6, 2012 @ 1:23 pm
Lypocrisy from Dan. The entire liberal postion is based in dishonesty.
The cornerstone is that they (liberals) are better and smarter than everyone else (particulary consersatives or RWs).
Thus they would have us belief Romney is a liar…with no mention of Obama, whose word is gospel, despite it having been proven to be a lie.
They reality is the opposite…liberals buy in to Lypocrisy and, therefore, are fundamentally, dishonest.
How else can they ignore or minimize: Fast & Furious, Libya, Solyndra, Delphi, DOJ, DHS, GSA, Treasury, Wright, Ayers, Abortion and God?
The Dow’s not close to its zenith under Bush? That’s as honest as anything you’ve said here Suzie Q. The zenith under Bush was just under 14,000. The Dow closed yesterday at 13,600.
Most observers would call that pretty damn close.
It’s a shame that the right would rather see the economy go to hell over the next couple of months than see Obama get a scintilla of credit for the obvious improvement that’s occurring.
The DOW is still a full 500 points off its all-time high five years ago. And why should 0bama get credit for an economy that he and his fellow Democrat Congressmen helped destroy starting when they took over Congress in 2007?
You guys seem awfully wound up about Romney’s “lies” but don’t seem to mind a bit than Obama has made his living off of making and breaking unrealistic campaign promises.
Correct, Chuck. And they’re unfazed that 0bama told the biggest lie of all during the debates about the “$5 trillion in tax cuts” which has been debunked by the CNN and admitted to as a lie by the 0bama campaign itself.
Suzie – You question Mitt being a Rhino?
Yes. Governor Romney is not a rhinoceros. Is that the sixth or seventh time the leftwingers have left you out to dry to look like an idiot? Er…maybe they don’t know the difference themselves.
I haven’t the slightest idea how to talk “black,” or really even what that is
Maybe you should listen to 0bama and Hillary to see how it’s done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egJ8NtvVFs8
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO.
If you think the MSM has been in the tank for 0bama, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Wait until the second debate. They will resurrect him as if he were Lazarus. If he displays a pulse even ONE time, they will hyperfocus on that instance and use it to claim he dominated the debate.
They’ll do everything in their power to airbrush his disastrous first debate.
Haven’t heard much about SNL this election season.
Love to see a sketch on Wednesday’s debate?
Oh, they didn’t do one? Odd.
The DIJA is also not anywhere near the 7949 that it was when Bush left office.
On Friday (10-05-12) it was 13,610. Maybe not an all time high, but a lot better than Bush left it.
#128 They’ll do one no doubt, probably as they’ll do one on Romney flip flopping like a fish and trying to downplay a continually improving economy.
#128 What the hell are you talking about, suzie? It was the opening sketch last night.
What a dolt.
#120 Let’s see, pammalamadingdong, I was on at 9:30 or so in the morning and at 10 at night and you think I was on all day long? Are you being dishonest or just stupid? Or a combo of the two. Seriously, lay off the Slurpees.
#115 “No one else can distort thr truth, change the rules in mid-play, and just flat ignore facts like he does”
You must just skip over suzie’s posts. Try reading them for a while. She does all of the above CONSTANTLY.
Suzie, my fingers did indeed type an h,thank yo for the correction. Now I will correct you. There is nno question but that Mitt has dropped the Tea Party RW BS, has dropped the GOP platform and is now trying to flip flop to a moderate. It mmust be eating your soul. But the problem with Mitt is just as Newt stated during the primary,”Mitt Romney says anything to get elected”, there is no truth in him. In fact, his own campaign has stated that they will not let the facts get in the way of the campaign.
Mitt simply has no credibility anymore. He has campaigned all over the policy landscape with no clue as to what will or won’t actually work and no beliefs to fall back on. Mitt is dangerous to our economy and to our safety because he does not have a backbone and does not know where he stands on anything.
Suzie – you should check your data. The economy began tanking before the Democrats took office. No one can blame the Great Recession on anyone but the GOP.
Ah, Jeez… Mr Beason: rather than discussing the merits of your debate with her, Suzie has taken to making fun of you because of your “rhino” reference. Until this is cleared up, Suzie, legend-in-her-own-mind such as she is, will continue to skid off-topic into adolescent fits of pseudo-superiority. Coming from someone who’s self-worth was likely quantified through which clique she ran with in high school, this should come as a surprise to no one.
Mitt is a RINO (Republican In Name Only), not a rhino, though I’m sure living a sexually repressed, theologically backwards life does tend to make one horny, frustrated and temperamental. (see also: Suzie) While this doesn’t matter to us, it certainly seems to matter to her, for obvious and not-so-obvious reasons. The most obvious being that she knows that what you meant, regardless of spelling, is true of Romney and can’t debate it.
We appreciate your efforts in trying to ice-skate uphill with her, futile as they may be.
Oops. Meant DJIA
“Haven’t heard much about SNL this election season.
Love to see a sketch on Wednesday’s debate?
Oh, they didn’t do one? Odd.”
Of course they did suze. Funny as hell. I would post the link. But, as you are so fond of saying, Do your own homework.
Poster #128 contains that poster’s usual lack of truth. SNL opened the show last night with a sketch on the debate.
Also, as Alfred pointed out, the DJIA is double what it was when Bush left office, and the threat of imminent financial system collapse that prevailed then has been quarantined.
Also, an acronym’s only meaning is set by usage, and thus other acronyms can be equally as valid. For the edification of the uninformed and the ignorant like poster #128, Rhino happens to mean Republican Hero In Name Only. That is why it applies to Rmoney, because he and his limited partner’s current lease on the Republican Party has made him a Republican Hero only insofar as they project what they want onto him, be it Tea Party ideologue, Massachusetts moderate, severe conservative, or protector of the plutocrat class. So anyone saying “Rhino” in regards to Rmoney is accurate, and anyone not knowing that acronym’s current usage while claiming superior knowledge is the one deserving of mockery. In the case of poster #128, it’s self-mockery.
#128 And btw, suzie, they did a second extended piece during the news update making fun of Obama’s performance. So you’re DOUBLY wrong. A twofer.
Suz, I think I just solved your SNL issue;
Crawl out on top of your double wide. You are still in Vinton, right? Go over and bend the coat hanger that cleatus jury-rigged up there as an antenna in the general direction of downtown Roanoke where WSLS broadcasts from. That ought to do the trick
Here’s a link to the hijinks if you want to wait until it quits raining before performing this simple adjustment.
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/debate-cold-open/1419927
Hope this helps.
Correction: While the DJIA is not quite double what it was when Bush left office, as I carelessly stated, it’s gain since then is far, far higher than the 500 points that poster #123 thinks is huge.
#141 Steve, suze might have had to duck out of this thread. Her SNL comment was even more stupid and clueless than usual.
Correction: While the DJIA is not quite double what it was when Bush left office, as I carelessly stated, it’s gain since then is far, far higher than the 500 points that poster #123 thinks is huge.
“Hey, I effed up the economy. Now give me credit for the corporations forced to do more with less while I try to screw them even more”.
Suzie – you should check your data. The economy began tanking before the Democrats took office. No one can blame the Great Recession on anyone but the GOP
Nope. 2007.
So anyone saying “Rhino” in regards to Rmoney is accurate, and anyone not knowing that acronym’s current usage while claiming superior knowledge is the one deserving of mockery. In the case of poster #128, it’s self-mockery.
Too late, clown. Richard already admitted he made a mistake.
#120 LOOK pammala, suzie spent “all day” (by your definition) on here yesterday!!!! Pretty sad, eh?
“Suzie – You question Mitt being a Rhino?”
I don’t think it’s a question whether or not Romney is a RINO. He’s definitely a RINO in the classic sense, but just what makes for a REAL Republican is the new question. That party is in trouble and having an identity crisis. The Democrats were a disaster long ago, but have integrated their “baggage” better than the Republicans are now.
I hope the crap that both parties keep polished up comes out and a strong Libertarian party can emerge. It will take only a little more failure on the part of the Republicans to get there IMO. The Libertarians are certainly the most honest of the parties and it holds them back in the way of electability.