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Tonight marks the third and final presidential debate of the 2012 election season, and so far, the score is 1 to 1.
Mitt Romney won the first debate on Oct. 3, even though he appeared (to put it charitably) as woefully uninformed. Romney won purely on style — he was aggressive. And much of the reason he was pegged winner was that Obama failed to call the challenger out on his bad grasp of facts or deliberate distortions.
President Barack Obama made sure he didn’t let that happen the second time around, on Oct. 18. He lectured the challenger like a veteran professor putting a smarmy college freshmen in his place.
Tonight’s debate is supposed to focus on foreign policy and world affairs. And it represents the most dangerous turf so far for the Republican.
To put it mildly, Romney is unskilled in that arena, and he’s left a lot of what passes for his “vision” to some neocon has beens who spent years getting this country into unnecessary wars and otherwise screwing up our foreign policy to just about the greatest extent imaginable. Such as former UN Ambassador Jon Bolton.
Just consider what Prof. James J. Hentz, chair of the Virginia Military Institute’s Department of International Studies, wrote on today’s ope-ed page. It was a reaction to an Oct. 8 foreign policy speech Romney gave at the military college in Lexington.
“Increasing defense spending, as Romney proposed, misses the point. If the increased budget is used to fight current wars, there will be less money to invest in preparing for the future, money for research and development. This choice cannot be made in a strategic vacuum, to say nothing of being made as part of a tactical political ploy. Do we want to continue to fight one, two or more wars in the Middle East? Or, as the question should be posed from a strategic point of view, do we want to lead?
Romney showed himself a shrewd tactician (an attribute that probably made him successful in business). The lack of strategic vision, however, was staggering. His prescription seems to be that we should continue to fight the last two wars. Obama’s strategic vision states those wars are over, and that it is time to prepare for the future.”
Hentz nailed it. If anything, Romney’s speech “showcased his lack of a strategic vision.”
The central theme of that speech was that under Obama, the United States has abdicated its position as leader of the free world. Expect Romney to make that charge repeatedly tonight, and to offer as evidence the recent deaths of four Americans in Libya.
But is it true?
The dollar is still the world’s reserve currency. U.S. military might is still unequaled by any nation or group of nations. The last president started two unnecessary, lengthy and treasury-draining wars that did nothing to improve our standing in the world. Those cost the lives of many, many more Americans.
Obama’s biggest foreign-policy fault (and it is one) is that he hasn’t gotten us out of Afghanistan fast enough. Romney wants to stay their longer, and he seems to want to go back into Iraq, and perhaps Syria.
Still, Obama has learned more about foreign policy in four years than Romney will ever learn. And that’s what we can expect to see on display tonight.
October 22, 2012 - 11:12 AM
Obama’s opening statement:
“If elected, I will appoint sandra flucke as my special womens “health” ambassador, whose mission will be to spread free rubbers across the world…especially to Muslim countries. I have been holding special, secret meetings with leaders in the Muslim world, and those leaders assure me that that is what their women most desire. Free rubb.., oops, free women’s “health” care. So, what do you say to THAT, Gov. Romney?
Romney shakes his head, and goes, “sheesh”.
I predict that I will be watching a Monday Night Football and/or a Bruce Springsteen Blu-Ray in preparation for seeing The Boss, TWICE tomorrow. Once at the Charlottesville Pavilion, and once at JPJ!
Debate? What Debate? Like it does anything!!
I won’t watch this one either. Lions vs Bears, and Game 7 of the NLCS.
I will, however, watch the debate tomorrow between the third party candidates.
Two things will be interesting tonight. The first will be what “Romnesia”
attack will Mitt suffer in this one (you know, one of those I didn’t really say that last week or if I did I didn’t really mean it). The second will be how thoroughly Obama takes himto school in a field where the Mittster has already proven himsewlf to be woefully inadequate.
“time to prepare for the future”??? Obungler’s version of the “future” is more of the same. Little Timmy Geithner at Treasury will print billions more $$$ so the O-man can spend more. And what about his reactions to the deaths of our troops, & diplomats & civilians in Libya? His public statements from the Rose Garden & elsewhere looked as if he were reading a laundry list -bored & detached. Of course, then you’ve gotta jet off to the next fundraiser, pick up the check & jet back to DC.
“learned more about foreign policy in four years..”??? Just like he “learned” how to be an Ill. state rep (I vote present) & a US senator? Until a person has BEEN president, they won’t know all about foreign policy. However, a person’s CHARACTER is important. Washington, Lincoln, Truman & Reagan had it. They didn’t “lead from behind”, apologize for America’s supposed crimes/sins over the last 100 yrs, or attempt to whitewash & downplay the serious threat we now face from the Islamists.
Mitt has an excellent chance to make it a debate sweep tonight. 0bama’s disastrous record abroad should make the task fairly straightforward. Three areas Mitt should hammer tonight:
1. The Libyagate lie and cover-up. Crowley protected 0bama the first time out and lied on his behalf. Romney will be ready this time. He should simply asked him why he lied for two weeks.
2. 0bama funding al-Queda with billions of our dollars by supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in the “Arab Spring”, using our money and arms allowing to kill our ambassador,
3 0bama’s abandoning of Israel and support of Iran’s nuke ambitions.
4. Fast and Furious. He can recount this again and tie it in with 0bama’s undelivered promise to fix immigration. Both score big in chipping away at the hispanic vote.
5. When the discussion turns to currency, Mitt can again return to the litany of 0bama economic failures. That strong recitation at the 60-minute mark is what sealed Romney’s victory in the second debate.
3rdFred,
On Sept. 11, Mitt Romney gave a campaign speech in Reno. Then he flew to Jacksonville, Fla., so he could attend a fundraiser there the next day.
In other words, he was NOT in Libya, protecting the ambassador and others.
Why not? Where was Mitt? Why didn’t he jump into a phone booth, rip open his shirt, display the Superman emblem and fly over there to save those four lives?
(Btw, I’m asking that question facetiously).
The only prize Obama can run on in foreign policy is “Bin Laden was killed”. But let’s face it, he didn’t do that either. It would have been done no matter who was in office thanks to our wonderfully capable Navy SEALS and military intelligence. The foreign world is looking at the US and thinking we are a bunch of jokers, and hoping that the lead JOKER gets re-elected. Then they are free to continue doing whatever they want without reprecussions. I have to wonder if all you libs are really convinced he is best or you are just too far in denial to see how badly this country is falling. Here in Roanoke, just last week, 200 jobs are lost b/c of the war on coal. That is 200 people who could be any of our neighbors, now without work, b/c of the war that has been created against the coal industry by Obama. He said he would bankrupt them, that is one promise he has seemed to keep.
Scott, Tonight the Boss will sing “Born in the USA” in honor of Barry Soetoro.
3rdFred: Your account of history is wrong. Truman was pilloried by the nascent Mcarthyite wing of the GOP for his foreign policy, his dismissal of McArthur, and for supposedly downplaying the threat of communism.
Oh, and Reagan raised taxes and left hundreds of Marines to be killed in Beirut, FYI.
#6 THREE areas Mitt should hammer tonight:
Snicker, snicker.
Sad Suzie thinks it’s possible for Romney to “sweep” the debate after he had his hat handed to him last week.
Sad Suzie thinks Crowley lied, when all you have to do is read the Rose Garden transcript, as Obama advised, to see that she and Obama were correct, and Romney was the one who lied.
From there, sad Suzie veers off into sheer fantasy and blithering incoherence.
Radmacher returns!
He’s being very kind to Suzie. Her life was so unfulfilled when she had no forum on which to bicker with him.
Romney was behind Dear Leader by 10 points in all the polls before the debates started. Now he is ahead by 7 after the first two bruisings he delivered to the Bumbler-in-Chief. The more the voters get to see Mitt unfiltered, the more they like. I was a tepid Romney supporter a month ago, but now, like millions of others, I am convinced that I am seeing the 2nd coming of Reagan. Tonight we will witness the final death blow to the most failed presidency in modern U.S. history. It will be delicious!
OMG – signs that we are in the “End Times” – the new RW faux meme…”Libya-Gate…!
Sad Suzie thinks Crowley lied, when all you have to do is read the Rose Garden transcript, as Obama advised, to see that she and Obama were correct, and Romney was the one who lied.
Really? Why did she later admit Romney was right? LOL.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2012/10/17/video-candy-crowley-admits-romney-was-correct-about-libya-attack
“Romney was behind Dear Leader by 10 points in all the polls before the debates started. Now he is ahead by 7 after the first two bruisings he delivered to the Bumbler-in-Chief.”
My God what a laugh this is.
Obama has never been ahead by 10; his lead was more like 1.0; Romney is not now ahead by 7. Try 8/10ths of a percentage point.
Paddy O’Ryan, you need to go back to school and relearn those devilish decimals!
#13 “Her life was so unfulfilled when she had no forum on which to bicker with him.”
So, Dan C, you might actually deserve some credit for helping improve the life of a forlorn blog troll orphan with nowhere to go?
#14 “I am convinced that I am seeing the 2nd coming of Reagan.”
You mean the guy who raised taxes or allowed them to be raised 8 times, who didn’t retaliate after hundreds of Americans were killed, who was good at making up stories, and who in a number of ways was fairly middle of the road to liberal socially? That one?
I predict that two clowns will take the stage and compare shoes for about 90 minutes. In the end, both sides will declare victory and millions of clownlings will rapidly disperse to the nether regions of cyberspace to see who agrees and disagrees with their opinions. They will then bicker childishly about it ad nauseum.
In 14 days, we’ll elect our leader for the next four years. Regardless of who wins, there will be a brand new batch of lamentations, along with countless conspiracy theories of corruption, fraud and illegitimacy.
Face it: an increasing proportion of the population just isn’t happy unless they’re bitching about something – and it doesn’t matter what it is.
/cynicism
“Tonight we will witness the final death blow to the most failed presidency in modern U.S. history.”
I didn’t think this election was supposed to be about George W. Bush.
gdad, show us that intellect of yours and give ALL the areas that Obama will be strong in dealing with foreign policy…besides ‘Bin Laden is Dead’
That is ONE thing by the way.
As you say…Crickets.
Not a prediction, but an interesting read:
http://tinyurl.com/9dj4d8j
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CQ TODAY ONLINE NEWS – DEFENSE
Oct. 21, 2012 – 7:19 p.m.
Experts Project Future of Defense Spending Under Obama, Romney
By John M. Donnelly, CQ Staff
When President Obama and Mitt Romney debate for the final time Monday night with a focus on foreign policy and defense it may provide the last, best opportunity to clarify their views on military spending.
If Obama is re-elected he’s widely expected to accept more cutbacks at the Pentagon, while Republican presidential nominee Romney has said he would increase military spending above Obama’s projections by what experts estimate would be about $2 trillion over the next decade.
But neither candidate has delved deeply into what he has in mind for the defense budget. Romney, in particular, has not fully explained how he will avoid raising taxes, cut the deficit and still keep military spending at or above its current, near-record level.
In fact, many experts believe defense spending is likely to come down in the years ahead by more than either candidate acknowledges. The next president, analysts say, will have to effectively oversee an inevitable and deep downsizing at the Pentagon that will occur even if the automatic budget cuts, known as sequestration, are avoided — and those cuts may amount to more than the half a trillion dollars in new reductions to planned spending that sequestration would require.
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Good stuff to think about.
“It would have been done no matter who was in office…”
Well, except for Bush. But we already know that.
The prediction is quite simple… Romney will lie his Mormon glutes off, while interrupting and bullying Obama, and the moderator. Then the next day both sides will claim victory while Romney’s camp says that the economy just isn’t picking up fast enough, and Obama’s camp will wonder why no one pays attention to all of the lies that spew forth from Romney’s mouth. Simple enough.
The fact is this, Romney has paid his way to the point he is now. Money works in mysterious ways. I would like to ask that bumbling charlatan, Billy Graham, how on his own website, he has considered the Mormon superstition as a “cult”? And now all of a sudden, it is not a cult…? Of course having a religious leader do things for money and lie for no other reason than personal gain has never been done before… NO! Not our good ol’ anti-Semitic, president’s pastor Billy Graham…
#8 “Here in Roanoke, just last week, 200 jobs are lost b/c of the war on coal.”
Gosh, conservative, you’re absolutely SURE that lower natural gas prices had nothing to do with it? You’re absolutely sure that when the coal companies say a major problem is the decline in demand from China and other nations (see story in paper today), THAT had nothing to do with it? Can you provide some evidence that this “war” on coal was the sole reason?
Maybe you need to talk to the NS spokesperson who said that the problem was due to a combination of factors, including a dramatic drop in the number of coal mining permits issued, a shift from thermal coal to natural gas as the fuel of choice for domestic electricity production, and, more recently, a world-wide decrease in demand for metallurgical (steel-making) coal.
I had no idea that Obama was SO powerful he could dampen the cost of natural gas AND knock down global demand for our coal. Can you explain how that happened?
BTW — and I’m assuming you’re talking about the NS layoffs since you weren’t specific — not all of the 200 were in Roanoke.
I predict that Dan will call me delusional after the debate tonight. That will make me a delusional 3 for 3.
“Obama has never been ahead by 10″ – Dan
http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/08/8-2-12-Topline-for-release.pdf
Jul 16-26, 2012 obama was up by 10 over Romney.
obama’s foreign policy = bow to muslim leaders, lie and apologize, take away ammo, ignore pleas for help = IGNORANT marxist !
I predict that no matter what happens in tonight’s debate the Faux News network will declare Romney the winner and all the RW parrots that visit this blog will repeat that same meme.
and of course they will whine that the President was so meeeeeean and ruuuuuuude. Meanwhile the fact checkers’ heads will be spinning trying to dispute all the Romney lies…and catch all the “I was for it before I was against it before I was for it” Romney positions.
Geez he has more positions than the Kama Sutra…
You think?
http://tinyurl.com/9h4yaxc
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Romney debate strategy: Make corner office relevant to Oval Office
By Dana Bash, CNN Senior Congressional Correspondent
updated 2:16 PM EDT, Mon October 22, 2012
Washington (CNN) — Mitt Romney is planning to shed the scrappy in-your-face debate strategy from last week’s town hall and replace it Monday night with a calmer demeanor, someone voters can imagine as commander in chief, CNN has learned.
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STORY HIGHLIGHTS
√ Adviser says Romney won’t match up point-for-point with Obama’s foreign policy
√ Romney will try to make his CEO résumé turning around “messy situations” relevant
√ GOP candidate will also try to turn the discussion to the economy
√ One goal will be to better communicate criticism of handling of Benghazi attack
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Danny Boy :
Just a sampling – Gallup on 9/11 – Obama by 7. Pew 0n 7/26 – Obama by 10. NPR on 9/30 – Obama by 7.
Gallup today – Romney by 7.
No decimal points needed!
I simply must get back here for the remaining two weeks before E-Day. It’s become quite the head-shaker for me…. how any sane, rational, intelligent person can even consider voting for someone like Mitt Romney, is beyond my comprehension. If I was a die-hard conservative, his flip-flopping alone would cause me to back away. It obviously doesn’t matter to those in his camp that he talks out of both sides of his mouth – probably because they know the true Mitt – the one who is a racist elitist – and they like him. Anything to take the White House “white” again.
As for tonight’s debate… I think Obama will win among his supporters and Romney will win among his. At this point in the game, any undecideds are not likely to be swayed by a debate on foreign policy… something most folks, I would wager, really could care less about.
“Scott, Tonight the Boss will sing “Born in the USA” in honor of Barry Soetoro.
Comment by pistol pete — October 22, 2012 @ 1:46 pm”
Actually he’s off tonight. But thanks for your uninformed opinion.
Again not a prediction, but an interesting read:
http://tinyurl.com/8cylv48
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Do the Math
A 20-question debate scorecard for real talk on the defense budget.
BY GORDON ADAMS | OCTOBER 22, 2012
There has been so much erroneous and distracting information about the defense budget in this campaign that it is almost impossible to sort through. Mostly the public doesn’t care, but Monday night the candidates might just be required to talk about it.
To date, the candidates have said little. Mitt Romney proposes adding significant money to the defense budget, and has proposed building 15 ships a year and increasing the size of the ground forces. Barack Obama says his budget is “just right,” that the services agree, and that his challenger wants to add money for which the military has not asked.
Maybe we will see something more substantive tonight, though I doubt it. It would be nice to have a defense budget debate that stood on its feet, rather than the talking points standing on their head that we have heard so far. Rather than write what they should say, perhaps a scorecard will be the best for which we can hope.
So here are 20 questions and a scorecard on the defense budget. Keep track at home:
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Romney will win, despite all of the liberal `cheating`….Obama can`t win w/o lying…Look at the Middle East….“Oh, sweet arab spring.. the flowers, they fail to grow…the burning land of arab man, a perpetration of lies, you know.
Hey Terps, on topics like this, you are delusional.
#22…No pistol pete…doesn`t take much to shut up Gdung…just ask him for truth and facts…devoid.
Christina Nuckols article today, 10/22…stated that the Roanoke Times was NOT backing Obama….What a supreme gutteral laugh that was…thanks, Christina, Whew…I needed that….People, DO NOT believe a word that this or any other liberal paper tells you…It is a campaign of LIES.
Comment by Paddy O’ Ryan — October 22, 2012 @ 3:03 pm
This posts for you…
AS OTHER POLLS SHOW TIGHT RACE, GALLUP STANDS APART
Questions about the gap between Gallup’s findings and those of other pollsters is the latest fuss this election season over polling methodology as partisan passions come to a boil in the heated final weeks before the November 6 presidential
contest.
[...]
“They’re just so out of kilter at the moment,” said Simon Jackman, a Stanford University
political science professor and author of a book on polling. “Either they’re doing something
really wacky or the other 18 pollsters out there are colluding, or something.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/20/us-usa-campaign-gallup-idUSBRE89J02720121020
“Oh, sweet arab spring.. the flowers, they fail to grow…the burning land of arab man, a perpetration of lies, you know.”
Jeff Doto, for this we can thank the neocons, whose long ago STATED GOAL of the invasion of Iraq (this was years before they launched the WMDs fiction) was the “springboard for Democracy” in the Middle East. It was this beautiful flower that was going to bloom — and that goes back in 91 or earlier.
Those idiots, however, weren’t so adept at thinking two steps ahead. Because the very “Democracy” they coveted then is what’s taking place now.
Interestingly, George President George H.W. Bush took a very dim view of this when those boys first made their pitch, EXACTLY for the same arguments you’re using to criticize the “democracy” that you suddenly DON’T like.
You should ponder the implications of this for a moment, JD.
And guess what, JD? Those neocons are now advising Mitt Romney!
This debate is Obama’s last chance.
Romney will win again on substance, facts, demeanor and his being viewed as Presidential. Romney need only do what he has done in the previous two debates. Be himself and point out Obama’s HORRID record.
Obama will get even more “fiery” in his defense of Benghazi (he has too), even though it will hurt him. I imagine he will try to take sole credit for killing OBL bare-handed, several times. Schieffer will most definitely lob softies to Obama and make Crowley look like Switzerland.
The media has already (yet again) written the headlines for tomorrow. “Obama wins BIG, looks hawkish and Presidential” and “Romney Rich White Guy”.
But, the people will not be fooled anymore with Obama or his alternate reality.
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Radmacher…if Crowley was right and Romney wrong…why did she go on TV later and say that “Romney was RIGHT, in the main”. Whatever that means. Why was she walking it back?
Delusion is currently all the Left has these days, Dan. (both of you)
Once again, you all remind me of that parent-in-denial that we have all experienced. They have their baby in their lap. The baby has filled his diaper to over-flow and EVERYBODY in the room knows it…except them.
Change the diaper, start fresh…everyone will forgive you and respect you a lot more afterwards.
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I suppose funding and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood is Bush’s fault as well? LOL.
“Christina Nuckols article today, 10/22…stated that the Roanoke Times was NOT backing Obama. . .
What a supreme guttural laugh. The article came out Sunday. Are we a bit calendar challenged?
Oh look…Doto learned a new word and he’s spreading it all over the RT site.
hey Lake claytor…
you dare to confron dan r with logic? he wouldn’t know what logic is if it hit him in the knee from gdad’s pea-shooter. dan r can’t handle…logic.
But, good for you to lay it out there for the rest of us… to see how weak and biased dan r really is.
Well done.
Even the Salt Lake Tribune wouldn’t endorse Romney. “Too many Mitts,” they said. Pretty bad when the Mormons are jumping ship.
Re: Comment by pammala — October 22, 2012 @ 2:58 pm
pammala, do you have a clue what marxism is? Even the slightest clue?
Marx’s relentless criticism of capitalism, private ownership of property, etc and his corresponding promise of an inevitable, harmonious socialist future has nothing to do with “muslim leaders, lie and apologize, take away ammo, ignore pleas for help, etc” even if they exist.
The term “marxist” is not a catch-all pejorative having negative connotations, disparaging or belittling outside the realms of economics and social theory.
BTW, the labor theory of value, a major pillar of traditional Marxian economics, was not unique to Marx. Adam Smith flirted with a labor theory of value in his classic defense of capitalism, The Wealth of Nations (1776), and David Ricardo later systematized it in his Principles of Political Economy (1817), both of which are often quoted by free-market economists and supporters.
Re: Comment by Lynda K — October 22, 2012 @ 3:04 pm
Bingo!
Well said.
I predict I will forget there’s a debate until 10 o’clock, then be vexed to remember there’s no new episode of Castle, after which I will watch the debate until I am thoroughly creeped out by Romney (about 5 minutes), and so will shut down my computer in disgust and go find a good book to read.
Re: the debate:
There’s an app for that: http://tinyurl.com/9alqf8s
GO MITT ROMNEY!!!!! This blog article is why I don’t subscribe to the Roanoke Times anymore… I cannot stand Dan “I wanna have Prez NOBAMA’s Baby” Creasy… He is so freaking blind… He obviously LOVES NObama… You know, I am neither a Republican nor Democrat, I am a TRUE INDEPENDENT, and I am a YOUNG VOTER, however if someone could give me ONE GOOD REASON why I should vote our current Prez back into office then I would give him a chance…, Debt is higher, now I have to pay more for health care so all the illegal’s that Obama lets in to the country for free can have health care, and jobs still suck out there, and what I find MOST disturbing is that when we had a Terrorist Attack on our people, he first appoligized to the Terrorist for hurting their feelings over a video, and then hid the information for 2 weeks before stating it wasn’t an act of random violence but a planned attack. And now he lies about it everyday, saying he called it a terrorist attack… All he is doing is trying to save his butt, for re-election since he has obviously made us unsafer in the world.. Not to mention his wife made the statement that she was embarrassed to be an American over how we handled foreign countries when they threaten or attack us… Any Prez that apologizes to others who kill our people, to me is NO LEADER for OUR COUNTRY! SO, I hope that Mitt, hammers him tonight on his foreign policies and handling of threats abroad….
Oh and before all you NObama supports say, “But Mitt has no foreign policy experience”…. remember this…. NEITHER DID OBAMA when he was elected…
GO GET MITT!!!!! MITT 2012!!!!
I forgot to say, Lynda K, welcome back! We’ve missed you; hope all is well.
UVA#1,
Steve Nelson, reincarnated?
(And which ACC football rankings are you looking at, anyway?)
HA HA HA HA … Is that the best comeback you can come up with Dan?? Let me guess your one of those bandwagon riders… You probably loved the Hokies until this year.. And who said I was discussing FOOTBALL??? You must really be a Hokie fan, because thats all you guys can be #1 in, UNTIL THIS YEAR…. lol Call me when you when a National Championship in something OTHER than Bass Fishing… Then we can talk..
Hm… maybe I can get a job with the Roanoke Times… If they can hire someone as clueless as you, then there is hope for anyone who wants to be in journalism…
Even the Salt Lake Tribune wouldn’t endorse Romney. “Too many Mitts,” they said. Pretty bad when the Mormons are jumping ship.
It’s been covered Poodle. The ownership isn’t mormon; they’re leftwing whacks totally at odds with their readership. A lot like the Roanoke Times.
Now you can go back to sleep.
Dan,
Re: 1:37 (facetious question)
You are correct, the (not president) romney did not put on his superman cape and save the lives of our murdered citizens.
However, the current president obama, failed to provide adequate security prior to attacks and left a wake up call for his next fundraising trip instead of dealing with the “3 am call”.
However, he did “on his own” go to Pakistan and get bin laden…
Actually, Dan, I think the post from UVA#1 could be an example of what pammela would have written had she not taken the brown acid.
Sheiffer will be on kneepads for the Republican as Romney continues to shape-shift his policies. Sooner or later he will have covered a position that appeals to every moron out there. Corporate media will fawn over how “presidential” he looked, and the Neocons will steal another close election using Tagg Romney-supplied voting machines. (It’s true, look it up.) The best government Koch money can buy, and you have no one to blame but yourself when you’re living under a bridge. Happy viewing!!
If he asks Suzie to jump “on his panel”…we’ll know.
Both candidates will attempt to pivot from foreign affairs to Jobs and the Economy. On Foreign affairs every time Romney attempts to be critical of the administration, Obama will underscore Romney can offer no solutions.
Both will play defense. No fireworks tonight.
I really don’t think this debate matters too much. Most folks have made up their mind, it’s Monday night football or baseball and we will choose the Circus on the field over the Circus in Boca Raton.
#39 Gee, Dolto, you need to read a little more closely. It’s not that the RT isn’t supporting Obama — they’re not endorsing anybody for president. Which they also didn’t do in 2008. A new policy they announced in 2007. Before they even knew who the candidates would be.,
I was wondering which right-wing dolt would fall into that one. Appropriate that it’s Dolto.
UVA#1, I was up in Charottesville for the big game a week ago Saturday. Go Terps!
I predict Romney and his car will get stuck
in an elevator. He will try to postpone…but
will only be allowed to call it in from his cellphone.
He will ask Ann (also stuck) to act as much Obama as she can
so he can grimace while he delivers his lines.
Obama delivers the nights best line..”well Mitt…I didn’t build that elevator”.
How naive can people be? The Republicans planned this very outcome. They blocked every piece of legislation Obama tried to pass to help the economy and now they yell, “What have you done to create jobs and fix the economy”?
The quote I read today sums it up pretty well…
“Imagine that Republicans blew up the Golden Gate Bridge on their way out of power, then complain that Obama hasn’t rebuilt it yet while THEY are blocking the roads that carry the building materials and construction workers to the work site… AND they have the balls to complain about how much the reconstruction costs…” ~ Jan Chase
Prediction:
From one side of his mouth, obama will mention osama a half dozen times as he thinks this makes him look “strong” while from the other side he will suggest Romney is a “cowboy” in his beliefs (maybe throw in a few “Bushisms”.
Romney will, rightfully, grill obama over his inept handling of the Libya embarrassment while obama takes responsibility and passes blame in the same breath (media will suck it up like mother’s milk).
Romney will suggest that the US does not “bow” to other countries and obama will plead we must “understand” those who hate us.
Obama will suggest Romney does not understand world affairs and Romney will bring up business, economy and Olympic experience.
Romney will probably go home peaceful with the knowledge that he did his best and it is up to the voters to decide if they are “better off” than they were 4 years ago and what the next 4 might bring.
Obama will probably go home and tell michelle to make a list of places she has yet to visit because the $100 million vacations (on the taxpayer dime) are just about over…
Btw… does anyone find it curious that “professor president” finds it necessary to be “holed up” for days studying for a foreign policy debate where he is supposed to be so knowledgeable?
I’m glad you’re back, Lynda K.
naive can people be? The Republicans planned this very outcome. They blocked every piece of legislation Obama tried to pass to help the economy and now they yell, “What have you done to create jobs and fix the economy”?
Sorry, peach. That dog won’t hunt. Democrats controlled the whole shootin’ match for two years. They had their chance and predictably blew it.
Doesn’t really matter who wins. So much is shifting to Romney I don’t believe anything will stop his being elected short of fraud. But like always the press will say Obama won “just like Obummer won in the first debate” Yeah right!!
mean the guy who raised taxes or allowed them to be raised 8 times, who didn’t retaliate after hundreds of Americans were killed, who was good at making up stories, and who in a number of ways was fairly middle of the road to liberal socially? That one?
Somebody needs to compare the federal income tax rates at the beginning of Reagan’s term and at the end. Both of those climbed significantly under Reagan.
“Never make predictions, especially about the future.” — Casey Stengel
“Somebody needs to compare the federal income tax rates at the beginning of Reagan’s term and at the end.”
Why only income tax rates? Why not compare the federal gas tax rates? The SS payroll tax rate?
Elena, are you sure Yogi Berra didn’t say that? It sounds more like him. . .
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“however if someone could give me ONE GOOD REASON why I should vote our current Prez back into office then I would give him a chance…”
Racist.
Hopefully the kids see through Romney’s, (and the GOP’s) bullshit, and vote in sufficient numbers to prevent this spooky Mormon empty suit from being elected President. Seniors, women, minorities and the “formerly” middle class all have irons in this fire. Please don’t forget who it was that put us in this mess through eight years of malfeasance and incompetence. The party of the rich, the Republicans!
only income tax rates? Why not compare the federal gas tax rates? The SS payroll tax rate?
Reagan didn’t ask for those tax hikes. Democrats did.
It does sound like Yogi, but nope, it’s Casey! He’s got great ones…http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/casey_stengel.html
“Romney the 2nd coming of Reagan”. What a joke! If Reagan were alive today, he couldn’t even get nominated by the Teapublicans. The Republican Party has been hijacked by a bunch of crazies!!
Suzie… If you go to the Emergency Room with massive hemorrhaging, the doctor doesn’t first measure you for a new suit to replace the one that you’ve bled all over. he has to first control the bleeding, discover where it’s coming from, and work on finding the best ways to fix it.
Obama blew nothing. He was very busy his first two years in office. As is evident from his long list of accomplishments.
“The future ain’t what it used to be.” I think that’s what Yogi is supposed to have said about the future.
71. Dan – it is easy to lower the tax rates, and even easier to reduce the deductions. Reagan screwed the middle class and Rostenkowski went along. Rostenkowski deserved jail for what he did to the middle class. Yet the press went along because they never understood. Reagan dropped the top tax rates but left the middle class rates the same. He then took away interest expense deductions on cars and credit cars, took away the sales tax deduction, took away the outside salemen’s expense deductions and made them subject to the Alternative Minimum Tax. He then allowed the banks to offer equity lines and with the loss of the interest deduction, the middle class took unsecured debt and secured it with their homes. This was a major cause of the 2008 recession.
Now Mitt is doing the same thing. Dropping rates gets all the attention. But he is taking away the mortgage and state tax deduction, taking away the earned income credit, the child care credit, the child care tax credit. The middle and lower class is once again getting screwed and the media is again letting it happen.
DAN: “only income tax rates? Why not compare the federal gas tax rates? The SS payroll tax rate?
SUZIE: “Reagan didn’t ask for those tax hikes. Democrats did.”
Reagan signed them into law. That’s the way it works, Suzie. The president has to sign those laws passed by Congress. He could have vetoed them. But he didn’t. He put his John Hancock on those tax increases.
Claytor: Radmacher…if Crowley was right and Romney wrong…why did she go on TV later and say that “Romney was RIGHT, in the main”. Whatever that means. Why was she walking it back?
She didn’t say anything later that didn’t match what she said during the debate. Do you deny that Obama called Benghazi an “act of terror” on Sept. 12 in the Rose Garden? Because it’s on video. Crowley said after, as she said before, that Romney was right that the focus was on the video for the first two weeks. If you don’t believe me, ask her. The following day, she was asked if she was backing off from the mid-debate fact-check, and she said no.
@Suzie #68: Sorry, peach. That dog won’t hunt. Democrats controlled the whole shootin’ match for two years. They had their chance and predictably blew it.
I know facts don’t matter to you, Suze, but you know that’s a lie. Democrats had 60 members in the Senate for only about four months in 2009 before Scott Brown was elected and denied them a filibuster-proof majority for all of 2010. Because of unprecedented Republican abuse of the filibuster, Democrats could only get anything done in Congress when they had all 60 members on the floor and able to vote. So, that’s four months, not two years.
Reagan agreed to some small tax cuts in exchange to Democrats’ promise to cut spending. Reagan did his part; Democrats didn’t. This is why you should never trust the bastards. The always lie. 0bama tried the same trick last year and the Tea Party members in the House wouldn’t bite.
Poor George H. W. Bush fell for the same trap. He thought he was being a nice bipartisan guy. How did they Democrats show their gratitude? They said he lied in his ‘no new tax’ pledge.
This is why you NEVER work with Democrats. It’s why you crush them.
Romney will be Romney and Obama will win the debate.
The right wingers have nothing but lies, hate and insults to hurl. I know Romney is an embarrassing weather-vane, but you make your party look like the ignorant, unhinged, liars so many have accused you of being. Way to go!
Mitt Romney won the first debate on Oct. 3
I LOVE when even the furthest left lunatics are forced to admit this. From MSNBC right on down to Dan.
hey Bill Perdue, if Reagan were alive and kicking today, he’d be leading the Republican Party. And if JFK were alive and kicking, he’d be Reagan’s wing man.
hey Ron May, we could do a whole lot worse than consider the thoughts and pronouncements of Yogi Berra….or, whatever it might be that he is alleged to have said.
“Reagan agreed to some small tax cuts in exchange to Democrats’ promise to cut spending. Reagan did his part; Democrats didn’t. This is why you should never trust the bastards. The always lie. 0bama tried the same trick last year and the Tea Party members in the House wouldn’t bite.
Poor George H. W. Bush fell for the same trap. He thought he was being a nice bipartisan guy. How did they Democrats show their gratitude? They said he lied in his ‘no new tax’ pledge.
This is why you NEVER work with Democrats. It’s why you crush them.”
You have no Earthly idea what you’re talking about. Once, again, for the 1,000th time, you’re making it up.
Poor Wonald Weagan! He could not veto dose Big, Baaaaad Democwats budget bills!
Bull. He could have. But he didn’t want to. Reagan deliberately signed those budget bills.
If Ronald Reagan were alive today, Frank, he’d be a Democrat.
And just btw: Obama’s tax cuts were worth at least as much as Reagan’s federal income tax cuts, in terms of putting money in people’s pockets.
oh. Bill Perdue, I forgot to add this last, but important, part…
OBAMA is supported by CASTRO, CHAVEZ, and PUTIN. PUTIN you might know just sent a couple of dastardly punk rock girls, “pussy riot” is the name they are known as, to the gulag for, well singing mean songs about Putin and what he stands for.
JFK would not recognize America, let alone what used to be his family’s democrat party.
Kristen has already had the courage to come out and say she’s happy to be on the same side as CASTRO, CHAVEZ, and PUTIN. All other libs have apparently been too chicken to respond. So, here goes again:
Hey you libs (and Ron May)…, including but not limited to: dano, dan r, contrasuzie, debbie, sandi, Bobsey Twins (ol’ dave and gduddy), art, steve c, cold, joe, beason, lynda, dave h., shrill, scott, etc…. how is it that you find yourselves standing on the same political side as: CASTRO, CHAVEZ, and PUTIN?
If Ronald Reagan were alive today, Frank, he’d be a Democrat.
Ronald Reagan’s big two campaign promises in 1980: Cut taxes and strengthen America’s defense. Which Democrat is campaigning on that? Duh.
ol’ dano,
I never thought you were stupid, until now. Oh heck, ok, i know you’re not stupid. You’re just trying to stir the debate to inflate your blog hits. Even I know YOU don’t believe Reagan would be a today’s democrat. Heck, even JFK wouldn’t be a today’s democrat.
The number one reason to vote for President Obama is that he understands the difference between science and religion. We are not a theocracy.
The number two reason to vote for President Obama is that he supports privacy in reproductive choice, whatever that choice is. It is not your bosses choice, or a church’s choice, or the government’s choice, it is yours.
The number three reason to vote for President Obama is that he supports equal pay for men and women.
The number four reason to vote for President Obama is that he is trying to save Medicare and Social Security for future generations.
The number five reason to vote for President Obama is that he has decimated the leaders of Al Qaeda, ended the war in Iraq, will end the war in Afghanistan and is fighting terrorists with drones instead of boots on the ground. Do not believe the right wing lies about weakness and apologies. They are desperate and they lie to win.
The number six reason to vote for President Obama is that he supports education, innovation and technology that will lead us into the future.
The number seven reason to vote for President Obama is the promise of the stem cell research being done instead of the fetal cells being disposed of because of religious zealots. Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s diseases are decimating the elderly.
The eighth reason to vote for President Obama is that he works for the middle and working class. He is not a Plutocrat who wants to pull the ladder up after reaching the top. He knows the gap is too wide between the rich and the poor. He knows the tax structure is unfair to workers.
The tenth reason to vote for President Obama is his support for equal rights for ALL Americans not just the Christians. Gay couples deserve equal protections and responsibilities as members of our society.
The eleventh reason to vote for President Obama is his support for our veterans and the progress that he is making in giving them the respect and opportunity they deserve for their service.
I could go on and on but I ask honest people to realize he did not cause the economic crash or the debt levels that hampered our efforts to respond to it which was made worse by an obstructive Congress who would rather watch us suffer than work with Obama. Hating Obama more than you love America is telling.
Oh lord, I left out the number nine reason, sorry!
The ninth reason to vote for President Obama is that he is for peace and is willing to talk to sovereign nations instead of just invading them and expending our treasure and money.
JFK, nor Reagan would wipe their feet on the TEA Party loons. Just like other criminals, hijacking a party does not make you the leader of it.
LC swallowed the lie that Suzie’s been peddling. … It figures.
Shieffer is a respected journalist, it will be difficult for either side to accuse him of partisanship. Look for Romney to spend ninety minutes on Libya, while desperately trying to turn the narrative to the economy. From most accounts this will be a kinder, gentler Mitt as he flip-flops yet again in his attempt to be all things to all people. If the debate focuses on substance and not sound bites, the president will win.
Go Cardinals!
Poor George H. W. Bush fell for the same trap. He thought he was being a nice bipartisan guy. How did they Democrats show their gratitude? They said he lied in his ‘no new tax’ pledge.
Comment by Suzie — October 22, 2012 @ 7:24 pm
The most important thing George H.W. Bush agreed to was the establishment of Pay As You Go Rules in 1990. That along with his tax increases & the tax increases Bill Clinton & the Democrat congress put in place in 1994 balanced the budget and began paying down the deficit. George W. Bush and his Republican congressional colleagues got rid of the Pay As You Go Rules that would have required them to pay for the tax cuts, two wars and the Medicare Drug Benefit. The Republican congress also repealed Glass Stegal and within 10 years we had the biggest economic collapse since the Market Crash in 1929 which was why we got Glass Stegal in the first place. You don’t want to acknowledge it SuzieQ, but our economy is where it is because of actions of the Republicans. Mitt Romney wants to do it all again. It’s simply not the direction we need to go. Without TARP & the Auto Bailout we would be in even worse shape. Much remains to be done and both sides must, I repeat must, stop the attack mode and start talking about how to solve the crisis we are facing.
Reagan’s proposed budgets actually contained larger deficits than the budgets Congress passed, another talking point out the window (or it would be if conservatives had any regard for truth or facts).
Even Mike Huckabee admitted that Reagan would be too liberal to win the presidential nomination in today’s far-right Republican Party.
I know facts don’t matter to you, Suze, but you know that’s a lie. Democrats had 60 members in the Senate for only about four months in 2009 before Scott Brown was elected and denied them a filibuster-proof majority for all of 2010. Because of unprecedented Republican abuse of the filibuster, Democrats could only get anything done in Congress when they had all 60 members on the floor and able to vote. So, that’s four months, not two years.
Dan, Maybe you can tell us which major 0bama bills from 2009 and 2010 failed because 100% of Republicans and no Democrats opposed them. Cap and trade? Not proposed. Immigration? Not proposed. Let’s see you back up your crap.
Do you deny that Obama called Benghazi an “act of terror” on Sept. 12 in the Rose Garden?
This is a lie. That was never said.
President Obama lost the first debate, Romney however, disqualified himself with telling lies and flip-flopping. There was no winner, least of all the American people.
Lake Claytor swallowing and repeating a lie, what else is not new? It appears that is all the right wing has.
Reagan, the former union president, and labor union advocate, the former strike leader, would be a Democrat today, Frank. He would be standing around saying “What has happened to my party?” just like former Sen. Dick Lugar, Reagan’s close friend, is saying right now, for God’s sake.
You putzes believe Obama’s a LIBERAL. He’s not. He’s a CENTRIST. He leans very very slightly to the left, a little more than Bill Clinton did. Jimmy Carter was a centrist, too. The Democrats haven’t had a true liberal in the White House since FDR kicked the bucket — altho LBJ put on a pretty good act that he was one.
You RWers are insane. You’re acting as if Ron Dellums is president and his first lady is Angela Davis. THEY were liberals, and she was arguably a communist. Not Obama. Not even close.
Frank believes Mike Huckabee is stupid. Huckabee may be wrong on the issues, but he’s not stupid.
The number three reason to vote for President Obama is that he supports equal pay for men and women.
The number four reason to vote for President Obama is that he is trying to save Medicare and Social Security for future generations.
Comment by Sandi Saunders — October 22, 2012 @ 7:50 pm
Sandi, take a few more silly pillys…even you can’t believe this tripe.
Take #3…actions speak louder than words and the Obama Whitehouse is a striking statement that Obama do not believe what he utters. As to #4;
his cuts in the SS tax withholding rate has gutted the SS fund (what was left of it) and now; with every dollar Bernanke prints; the benefits paid
are less. Some save…and BTW…Obama has put succeeding generations so far in debt that the least of their worries will be SS.
#Suzie @16: As I mentioned before, Crowley did NOT walk back anything she said during the debate. If you don’t believe me, ask her: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/candy-crowley-libya-fact-check-backtrack_n_1973431.html
Besides, why should she walk anything back when she was actually right?
@Suzie #102: “This is a lie. That was never said.”
The right-wing capacity for self-deception is astounding. They can actually read a transcript that includes the paragraph below and convince themselves that Obama never referred to Benghazi as an act of terror.
“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.”
It’s astounding. Pathological, but astounding.
@Suzie: Cap and trade passed the House. They never bothered in the Senate because they knew it wouldn’t overcome a filibuster. Immigration reform also passed the House in 2010. It went nowhere in the Senate because of the filibuster threat.
I have no crap to back up, Suzie, only the truth. On the other hand, your crap is backed up so far, I’m surprised you can breathe.
Suzie – Ronald Reagan cut taxes for the wealthy, raised middle class taxes, and borrowed money for military spending increasing the deficit. Yes, that is indeed Romney’s plan. He may lie and say otherwise, but his policies lay it out plainly.
But Mitt is going to cut all the funding hubby’s suppotting you with. Maybe, you should start job hunting. Mitt’s going to magically put all the 50+ to work. Waiting to see that. Maybe he is going to make the groceries add more baggers.
A quick pre-debate observation: the active drone program that the President has prosecuted in Pakistan and Yemen should be seen as a part of a greater strategic policy that includes Iran and the rest of the Middle East, with the ramifications of it extending at least that far.
@Suzie: Cap and trade passed the House. They never bothered in the Senate because they knew it wouldn’t overcome a filibuster. Immigration reform also passed the House in 2010. It went nowhere in the Senate because of the filibuster threat.</em.
Oh, OK. So the GOP didn't stop those bills. That's what I thought. Thanks.
It’s astounding. Pathological, but astounding.
If he meant it that way, Dan, why did Jay Carney repeatedly say it was not a terrorist attack, but a video protest? Why did Susan Rice say the same thing? Why did 0bama himself blame the video after that?
You’re the folks who are pathological. You know damned well the administration held to the video meme for two weeks before coming clean.
Reagan, the former union president, and labor union advocate, the former strike leader, would be a Democrat today, Frank. He would be standing around saying “What has happened to my party?”
Actually, Reagan addressed that very question. He said “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me.”
JFK is the one who wouldn’t recognize his party were he alive today.
#Suzie @16: As I mentioned before, Crowley did NOT walk back anything she said during the debate. If you don’t believe me, ask her:
“Governor Romney was right in the main.”
In other words she knew the slick SOB 0bama was playing a game.
The ninth reason to vote for President Obama is that he is for peace
Right. That’s why he killed more American soldiers in his first term than died under Bush. It’s also why he’s given billions to al-queda so they could attack us.
OMG. Huge Romney roundhouse. “I wouldn’t have made a deal with Putin promising to be more flexible after the election”.
0bama is blinking and stammering so much, he can’t get a point out. ” Where’s the damn teleprompte?r”
My three personal reasons for voting for Obama:
1) He’s black.
2) He plays a damn decent game of basketball.
3) He has a pretty good singing voice.
I love the look on the Con Christian Republican’s faces when I tell them that.
Mitt’s flailing. “I’ve got to get this turned toward the economy because I don’t know jack about foreign policy.”
Good work on our role in the world, Governor. Moved it back to the economy. Hit 0bama hard on Israel.
0bama: “We are stronger than when I took office’.” And he said that with a straight face, folks.
Wow. 0bama’s big plan for our role in the world is to tax the rich.
Mitt is taking the debate right back to the economy. He’s now rehashing the economic failures. Restating the 5-step plan.
Oooh. Big hit on the teachers’ union. Excellent.
“Class sizes make a big difference”
Somebody needs to tell 0bama how RCPS increased test scores by laying off teachers.
“Mr President, I’m sorry you’ve got that wrong” (Smile).
Beautiful
0bama’s doing the $5 trillion lie again. But no problem. Nobody’s watching anymore.
The two conflict meme is straight out of the Neocon playbook. Bolton should be proud. “Governor. we now have ships that planes land on.” Oh, snap!!
Romney’s busting his ass on the apology tour of 2009. Now 0bama’s lying about it.
Romney is addressing 0bama directly now. In his face. Beautiful
OMG. 0bama is seeing red now. You don’t pull back his robe. LOL
Oh yes. Keep talking about presidential traveling. LOL. Hit him on the fundraisers, Mitt. Hit him on the golf rounds. Hit him on Moochele’s shopping sprees.
Romney is now telling everybody WHY things are NOT fine in the world. 0bama is seething
0bama is now back to taking credit for OBL. Bet the Navy Seals are loving that.
Can you believe this idiot is taking credit for ending the war in Iraq?
No mention of Libya. They’re protecting 0bama. Mitt should have hit him on Benghazi anyway unless he did it in the first ten minutes which I missed. I hope he does it in his final remarks.
Wow!! SuzieQ is nearly apopletic that Pres. Obama is kicking Mitt’s butt!! 7 comments in 12 minutes. Is that a record Dan??
Mitt is very strong on China. Once again he’s taking it back to the economy. Mitt got Sheiffer to ask a question about the economy vis a vis China. He’s hitting it out of the park. Right in his wheelhouse.
Look out Suzie, lower case matt is gonna have a problem with all those posts in a row…nahhh, of course not.
Go back to sleep Leon.
Romney is absolutely murdering him on government investing in the car companies.
Mitt is rehashing 0bama’s economic numbers. Once again.
suzie, you can’t change the debate just by posting here.
BTW, based on your stream of consciousness posting, it sounds like Romney talking about non-foreign policy items. Ducking the topics?
Romney will get the last word. 0bama needed to hit a five-run homer, and he didn’t do that. Romney won it again, but as with the second debate, he could have hit it harder. The talking heads will probably call it a draw. If they try to give it to 0bama, they’re lying. It will prove once again they’re trying to resuscitate him.
Romney made money helping our number 1 enemy, Iran. He doesn’t even try to deny it.
Good lord, suzie simply repeats the same lies over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over….
Rad, susie’s not backed up, she’s clearly got a bad case of diarrhea of the mouth. Put a sock in it. Just might help.
According to suzie’s posts, Rmoney is avoiding the focus of tonight’s “debate.” What a dishonest bastard.
CNN is claiming the Idiot won. LOL. Jeez. Will the proppng up never end?
I wonder if pammala gave suzie a discount for buying her Red Bull by the case.
Any thread where SuzieQ has 1021 posts in a row, Obama must be kicking ass.
Brit Hume and Chris Wallace have it right. They said Romney the more presidential and big picture.
First fact check. 0bama lied about the status of forces agreement. There never was one.
LMAO. The marines still use bayonets. The Idiot said they were obsolete.
Fact Check #3. Romney right on the bankruptcy/bailout claim of the auto industry.
0bama has three whoppers so far.
FOX had Romney winning it. Good call.
Obama obviously won. Romney lied about the “apology tour,” lied about his own “plan” for Detroit (and Obama called him out on it and nailed him), failed to articulate his so-called “comprehensive policy” for the Middle East (which doesn’t exist) and AGREED with Obama about EVERYTHING else. He even tacitly acknowledged Obama’s criticism that he’d made money helping our “No. 1″ enemy Iran, by not disputing it one bit.
I’d say, how could he? But he already is trying to take back his essay on Detroit, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Mitt tried.
Oh, now she’s claiming bayonets aren’t obsolete.
When’s the last time a marine killed an enemy combatant with one, Suze?
All the fact checkers are rating Romney as pants on fire about Detroit.
Maybe Mitt was thinking about all that money he made helping our No. 1 enemy, Iran.
Romney lied about the “apology tour,” lied about his own “plan” for Detroit (and Obama called him out on it and nailed him)
Both of these comments are incorrect. 0bama absolutely apologized on is tour, and the fact checkers bear out Romney’s account of the bailout.
Romney did what he needed to do. Even liberal CNN admits this.
Next, Suze will claim this nation still has horses, too, so they’re not obsolete. Just like Studebakers!
Romney nailed him on the apology tour. “And by the way, they noticed that you skipped Israel”. Scored very big points there.
FOX had Romney winning it. Good call.
Comment by Suzie — October 22, 2012 @ 10:50 pm
SURPRIZE!! SURPRIZE!! SURPRIZE!!
Suze, the people know the truth. No barrage of lies that you tell in the comments here is going to change that. You’re only demeaning yourself.
Hey Dan!! Watch those comments about Studebaker. We used to make those not far from here!!
#151 Exactly right, Kristen. suzie must have seen how badly Romney was getting mauled and went into panic mode. 30 out of 45 posts. A blog record. And most of them wrong or lies.
Oh, now she’s claiming bayonets aren’t obsolete.
When’s the last time a marine killed an enemy combatant with one, Suze?
Marines definitely use bayonets, Dan. That’s part of their training. 0bama proved his detachment with the military on this.
Romney agreed with administration policy more often than not. His tired talking points about the improving economy seemed forced and stale. His closing statement was more like a whining plea. Smackdown moment of the night; “We have fewer horses and bayonets now, too. We have ships that planes land on, we have boats that go under the water.”
0bama sealed his loss in Virginia tonight.
Marines also fire guns with blanks in them on occasion, Suze. That doesn’t mean blanks have any bearing on real battle. And bayonets don’t either. You’re flailing, beating a dead horse on that one. It was a great comeback by Obama that illustrated how ill-prepared Romney is to be commander in chief of the armed forces.
“Romney nailed him on the apology tour. “And by the way, they noticed that you skipped Israel”.
Obama’s response to this dumb charge was one of his strongest of the night, of course. What was it? It was that Romney went to Israel with his sugar daddy Adelson where they partied and raised Mitt some cash.al
Obama, meanwhile, did the REAL tour. The Holocaust Memorial. And other cities that Hezbollah missiles rained down on. And, btw, Obama the candidate visited troops fighting for America. Romney didn’t even mention them at the GOP convention.
@Suzie #129: “Romney’s busting his ass on the apology tour of 2009. Now 0bama’s lying about it.”
You had a typo there: “Romney’s lying about the apology tour of 2009. Now Obama’s busting his ass about it.”
FIXED
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/02/obamas_apology_tour.html
@Suzie: “Oh, now she’s claiming bayonets aren’t obsolete.”
Again with the lies. Obama didn’t say we didn’t have any bayonets, he said we had FEWER of them – the point being that’s no way to judge the readiness or capability of our military. And I’ll tell you what … $10,000? C’mon, let’s bet $10,000 that Obama was right.
All right kids. Going to bed. Very pleased about tonight.
Well seeing SusieQs hysterical reflexive compulsive posts here, we can safely assume Rmoney got his ass kicked. Funny.
Suzie: “Romney won it again, but as with the second debate, he could have hit it harder”
Engage universal translator: “Romney needs a new Depends.”
What will I remember tomorrow?
Obama’s defining Romney’s worldview:
Foreign policy of the 1980′s
Social policies of the 1950′s
Economic policies of the 1920′s
OBAMA HOME RUN! DEMS WIN! DEMS WIN! DEMS WIN!!!!
“0bama proved his detachment with the military on this.”
Six males in one family and not a single one with any military service proves a severe detachment with the military.
Romney ~ Believe in America.
But send someone else’s kids to defend her.
“Going to bed.”
Bet not.
The race is about the ecomony. So with that…
Cold in P: POLLS WON’T CHANGE!! POLLS WON’T CHANGE!! POLLS WON’T CHANGE!!
“going to bed “= “reload the crack pipe”. Weird display Suziekins, eve for you.
#119,
suz is bloviating so much she can’t get a point out. ” Where’s the damn spellchecke?r”
Obama looked really angry and bitter from what I saw, between NFL and MLB games. He definitely won points on several childish and misleading jabs. Still can’t run on his record. PERIOD. Don’t expect much of a bounce, people are just NOT that stupid. The Great Divider.
I am a Marine, we still use bayonets in our arsenal. But that does not prove that President Obama is disconnected with our military. It just proves that he does not have to clean one everyday. The Marines clean and use them everyday so you don’t have to, so President Obama, does not have to.
What does prove someone to be disconnected from a group of Americans? When you don’t thank your military during a Republican Convention. When you tell young people to borrow money from their parents for college. When your son says he wants to “Swing” on the President of the United States for being honest. You are most definitely disconnected when you are changing your opinions and views from one moment to the next.
This race has slowly went from a race between Republicans and Democrats, to who is willing to admit that Romney is a liar and is going to be extremely damaging to our country. It is a race to separate the insane comments from reality. I don’t like to paint myself into a corner by putting a label on myself such as democrat or republican. But if you honestly look in the mirror and say you are going to vote for Romney, you are denying yourself the truth, and you are most definitely falling to selective reasoning.
@ Justin True
Justin, thank you for your comments!!
The Teapublicans on this blog are under the self imposed delusion that Marines (and other branches) are all for Mitt Romney and I’m glad you proved that BS wrong.
@Bill Perdue
No problem, Mr. Perdue! Most of my fellow Marines can see through the Republican/Tea Party ambush. One thing that a true Marine will stand for is integrity. Mitt Romney, will sell anything to make a dollar. We all know he is willing to sell us out. He is willing to sell anything.
One thing I have learned about this election, people are willing to believe anything as long as it is in agreement with their own selfish needs. One thing I have learned as a Marine, and as a good father, is that no matter what, you have to remain selfless! You have to make decisions for the good of all people! Not just those of whom you agree with. Mitt Romney, is a selfish liar. My vote will support my selfless president, Mr. Obama.
The military has given more money to the Obama campaign than to the Rmoney campaign. This myth of military Republicanism needs to die.
Thank you for your service Justin!
My pleasure, Ms. Saunders! Go Obama!
Consistently voting against any bill to benefit veterans proves an incredible detachment to the military.
http://thepragmaticprogressive.blogspot.com/2012/08/paul-ryans-shameful-record-on-veterans.html
Thank you for your service as a Marine, Justin True.
Justin is supporting the Christian-aligned (and admitted) President obama. How will you be able to face your group of 6 people after that, though?? Them knowing you cast your vote for an admitted Christian??
First, Justin True, Semper Fi, brother — from an old brown shoe.
Hang around the blog for awhile if you can.
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Second, not my observation, but a good zinger reported in today’s CQ Roll Call Daily Briefing:
“Last night he was all over the map,” Obama said a few minutes ago about Romney’s final debate performance. “It was at least Stage 3 Romnesia,” he told a crowd of 11,000 at a sun-drenched tennis complex in Delray. “I want to make sure nobody here catches it.” But if anyone in Florida comes down with the president’s newly diagnosed condition for his rival, he told the crowd, “Don’t worry: Obamacare covers pre-existing conditions.”
MMM, there are two Christians running for president. The question is, which candidate is the better choice. Justin understands that; you, apparently, do not.
Re: Comment by Dan Casey — October 23, 2012 @ 2:00 pm
Yup. But why does it matter?
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U.S. Constitution – Article 6 – Debts, Supremacy, Oaths
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The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
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@# 191 Marked Man,
First off, Semper Fi to all of my fellow Marines and to fellow service members.
Mr. Casey brings the point that I really do not have a choice in the matters of which candidate has my preferred belief. I am an Atheist, so I am relatively sure I will be waiting a while for a fellow Atheist to run for public office.
But to answer your question. Mitt Romney, is a Mormon, a very outspoken Mormon. He is the type of leader that uses his religion as an excuse to enforce laws and regulations on the public. He does not care what is right or wrong, he does what his religion sees as correct. It is no doubt that humanities morals have grown, and evolved since the majority of the religions that spawned from Abraham were made up. Romney, is adamant on subjugating women, and keeping the gay community from having basic human rights because of his religion and no other reason. Not to mention, this man was a very avid supporter and active in his Mormon church when they would not let black people in their church at all. I want a president that does things right because his morals will not let him halfway do something. His morals will not let him falter and hold the human race back any longer because of his personal beliefs. The reason I can look my fellow Atheists in the eye and say, “Yes, I am voting for Mr. Obama”, is because I am not willing to let one issue keep me from making the best choice I can make. President Obama, is a Christian, but he will not force us to pray to his god, and he certainly will not enforce a law onto his fellow citizens because his superstitious book says it is OK.
It must be comforting to some people that avowed atheists will still vote for a Christian running for public office EVEN THOUGH they have every chance and right to write in their own vote for someone else.
obummer is NOT a Christian..Christians do not wear muslim headslicer rings
Pammala, I say YOU are not a Christian. You are an anti-American Muslim. Oh, and a Marxist. Can’t forget that one.
Marked Man, you are correct. I do have every right to write in whomever I wish. I choose President Obama, because he is the best choice in my opinion. If you are suggesting that I should vote for someone just because they are Atheist, that’s repulsive.
Like I said before, President Obama, is a Christian, but he does not use his religion as an excuse to enforce or repeal laws. I know plenty Atheists who are voting for Obama because they agree with his leadership as a fellow human who recognizes the equality of all humans. I will not disavow my president because of his admitted faith. I will support him for all of his other great qualities, such as “Obamacare”, and his support for human rights for all people regardless of sexual orientation and sex.
Justin True admitted 0bama lied. Thanks, Justin.
What are you lying about this time Suzie? Which words of Justin’s are you trying to twist?
Re: Comment by pammala — October 23, 2012 @ 3:13 pm
http://tinyurl.com/8f5bnrs
http://tinyurl.com/95eexfs
You’re right, Justin. I don’t know why I thought obama used his religion to guide his political decisions…
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/02/at-prayer-breakfast-obama-ties-economic-message-to-christian-values/
“Marked Man says:
It must be comforting to some people that avowed atheists will still vote for a Christian running for public office EVEN THOUGH they have every chance and right to write in their own vote for someone else.
Posted on October 23rd, 2012″
It also must be comforting to some people that some Catholics will still vote for a Mormon running for public office EVEN THOUGH they have every chance and right to write in their own vote for a fellow Catholic.