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Tell us what we can expect in the debate between Vice President Joe Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan tonight, Gonzos.
Will Ryan prevaricate more than Mitt Romney did in the presidential debate last week?
Will Ryan do better than Sarah Palin did four years ago? That one didn’t help her team a bit.
Will Biden do what President Obama didn’t last week — call his opponent out on distortions and outright untruths?
Give us your predictions in the comments.
October 11, 2012 - 11:00 AM
So what’s the over/under on the number of Biden gaffes tonight?
Seriously, though, that’s the wild-card here. I think Biden will be able to upset Ryan’s cool and attack his positions pretty effectively, but all it takes is one embarrassing misstatement to overshadow the whole thing.
sarah moped the floor with ol’ joe, in their debate.
Biden will do great….but gaffe twice. Turning a great debate into 2 soundbites of disaster for the Obama campaign
Biden will be his normal bumbling, foot-in-mouth fool. He needs a muzzle or perhaps just call in sick.
Ryan makes Biden his intellectual chew toy.
My prediction? I predict that I won’t watch this one either.
I wouldn’t want to be in Biden’s shoes! How can anyone possibly defend the last 4 years? Economy in shambles, Middle East in flames, deficit at $16 trillion, gas prices at record highs, health care costs skyrocketing, middle class income falling by $5,000, home prices collapsing, Iran putting final touches on nuke… I could go on and on, but anyone with a brain knows our current president has done more to destroy our country than anyone in history.
Obama couldn’t defend his pathetic and destructive record last week, and Biden certainly has no chance to do that tonight.
I’m guessing that Paul Ryan won’t say anything about this…
http://www.nationalmemo.com/5-things-paul-ryan-will-not-say-during-the-vp-debate/2/
Why Dan can’t you simply pose the question about tonight’s debate instead of including your biased, liberal views into the equation? I’ll tell you how tonight will go…Ryan will be knowledgeable, factual and engaged while Biden will, like the president, mentally meander for answers and skate the questions. It will be a replay of the presidential debate. The Republican nominee will school the Democratic nominee in an embarassing display. After Obama was spanked by Romney, as an American I cringed, hoping the rest of the world wasn’t watching. To view the leader of the free world as ineffectual, weak and out of touch, there is no doubt who Al Queda is rooting for. Due to this, this is the first time in my lifetime that our enemies don’t fear us and our allies don’t trust us.
I truly hope Biden at least doesn’t follow his usual trend and that is to say something completely idiotic and/or offensive and of course utilize the race card but I’m not holding out too much hope. I don’t possess a crystal ball but I can say with confidence, “Democrats…be prepared to get spanked, AGAIN!
I’m guessing that Paul Ryan won’t say much about this either…
http://www.nationalmemo.com/5-things-paul-ryan-will-not-say-during-the-vp-debate/3/
I’m guessing Paul Ryan won’t say much about this either…
http://www.nationalmemo.com/5-things-paul-ryan-will-not-say-during-the-vp-debate/4/
I’m guessing Paul Ryan won’t mention that Ayn Rand novel he’s living in…
I’m guessing Paul Ryan won’t be mentioning this either…
http://www.nationalmemo.com/5-things-paul-ryan-will-not-say-during-the-vp-debate/6/
“sarah moped the floor with ol’ joe, in their debate.”
She’s a mope all right. She quit her job as Alaska governor!
“I’m guessing Paul Ryan won’t mention that Ayn Rand novel he’s living in…”
That would be a good line for Biden: “Young man, life is not an Ayn Rand novel. You haven’t learned that yet.”
Has Ryan ever had a job?
I predict that regardless of what happens Dan and the other liberals will lie just as much as they always do. That’s who they are and they do not deserve the least amount of respect or consideration!!!
Maybe someone should tell Ayn Ryan that chewing on an intellectual will not make him one.
It does not matter what happens here, Romney’s “surge” has proven people want to be lied to and that they have a high tolerance for BS delivered on steroids. Ryan is your man.
hey Steve,
I think your post was very thoughtful, and very well presented. Well done.
Frank
Other John. Watching the Tigers instead of the debate, maybe?
No bias here /sarcasm
LIES, LIES and more LIES from Ryan.
I’m guessing Ryan won’t say anything about this either.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/10/influence-peddling-runs-deep-in-energy-loan-deal-e/?page=all#pagebreak
David Burge has it:
“Mr Ryan – why do you want women to die? Mr Biden, same question – why does Mr Ryan want women to die?”
My guess is : “Mr Ryan, how can you be in line for the Presidency when you are such a horrible, despicable, terrible liar? Even talking to you makes me feel I have violated journalistic ethics. Followup question for Vice-President Biden, a two-part question. How do you feel about being the greatest Vice President ever? Secondly, will you spank me later if I ask something you don’t like? A good hard spanking. “
I predict that if Ryan breaks down in tears, Screwzie will say he looked ‘sexy’ and ‘vice-presidential’.
Paddy,
Please read the links below and get to the truth.
http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2012/08/27/why-home-prices-are-rising-the-distressed-share/
The highest monthly gas price average in the U.S.A. was Aug. 2008 when the average was $4.12 a gallon.
I was informed today that the health insurance premiums for my college were NOT increasing for 2013. In fact, due to the Affordable Care Act, our employees would experience a free premium month in 2013 because of the claims experience we achieved thus far in 2012.
The economy is recovering, slowly but surely.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/26/oecd-us-economy-income-inequality
With all due respect Paddy, I would say the president did more to wreck our economy was the one who left office in January 2009.
I predict that Biden will say something idiotic and insulting.
I predict Ryan will lie about saying something idiotic and insulting.
No one will win, and democracy will lose.
well Ryan knows we are in the 21st century, not the 20th like bidet thinks..what a court jester, cant wait to watch him get slammed just like Romney did with bammyboy
Paddy – All you proved is that you live in an entirely different universe than the real world.
In the real world, the global economy is in far better shape than when Obama took office, leading to an increase in gas prices from the depths of the near-recession when demand for oil was at its nadir.
In the real world, there were more attacks on consulates and embassies under Bush than their have been under Obama, in the Middle East and elsewhere.
In the real world, most of that $16 trillion debt is the result of Republican policies – two wars put on the national credit card, an expensive prescription drug benefit that no one even pretended was paid for, tax cuts for the wealthy that failed to bring the promised economic expansion.
In the real world, health care costs have risen at the lowest rates in decades for the last two years. In the real world, Obama has put crippling sanctions in place against Iran that are decimating its economy – far tougher action than any Republican president took against the regime.
In the real world, housing prices are beginning to rebound after the collapse caused by deregulation of banks favored by Republicans.
Oh, yes, I’m sure you could go on and on and on. It’s easy when all you do is make stuff up.
This video shows several good samples of Ryan’s inability to tell the truth; that’s what I’m expecting tonight:
http://freakoutnation.com/2012/10/11/ad-hits-paul-ryan-before-the-debate-from-the-casual-fib-to-the-flat-out-falsehood/
Maybe Biden will point to the daily signs of the Obama recovery.
http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/315232
I’m pretty sure Biden knows he has to do well if they have any hopes winning Canada. I bet he just intermittently shouts ‘Big Bird’ while alternating between staring at the floor and the ceiling. I predict he’ll do noticeably better than James Stockdale did when he was Perot’s running mate.
hmm, let’s think about ol’ vp joe for just a moment. during his recent visit to Danville,VA, he became known for his infamous bellow, “they’re gonna put you all….BACK.. in chains…”. Since ol’ vp joe is a well-known pea-brain, and known for pea-brained bloopers….I’m thinking he might double-down on Danville…KY.
kristen, other than a self proclaimed community organizer, where was obama employed?
MR. VICE PRES WILL SCREW UP BIG TIME- He will be and become confused in the later stages of the questioning- Some body put a big money curse on old Joe.
Just wait and see and you can find out how to have such a curse at your disposal.
so what lies…what about bammys lies?
Biden and his boss will have to outrun the curse placed on them- Expect a strong victory at Biden’s expense- This is a very expensive curse and will work big time. You will all see its power tonight..
ring-headslicer
Where’s mike o when you need the police chief of the “name calling” squad?
What do you think about this comment @ 28
“well Ryan knows we are in the 21st century, not the 20th like bidet thinks..what a court jester, cant wait to watch him get slammed just like Romney did with bammyboy”
Comment by pammala — October 11, 2012 @ 2:08 pm
Now you must have dozed off, because certainly according to your criteria – this is bad, bad, bad. If “hypocrite”, when used appropriately and truthfully, is offensive to you, what must you think of the almost illiterate petty small minded name calling in the above post? Or only when a progressive uses a word you disagree with do you become sooo offended? You know what I call some one like that?
Yes the forbidden word..h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e.
steve,
After his graduation from Columbia Obama worked for a year at the Business International Corp., which advises American companies on operating overseas. BIC was later acquired by the London-based Economist Group and it was later merged into the Economist Intelligence Unit.
After he left BIC, Obama worked for the New York Public Interest Research Group. That’s a liberal outfit that focuses much of its effort on consumer advocacy.
Then he worked in Chicago for three years for a Catholic Church-founded group called Developing Communities Project. While a “community organizer,” Obama set up a job training program, a college-prep tutoring program and a tenants’ rights organization. (I know — you don’t believe tenants should have ANY “rights” because those are not in the Constitution, right?)
Then he went to Harvard Law, during which he was editor of the Harvard Law Review and later, the law review president.
After graduation, he taught law at the University of Chicago School of Law (U of Chi is known as a quite conservative outfit, btw) for the next 12 years.
I would ask if the information above helps, but frankly I doubt it. You believe Obama was born in Kenya, right?
But remember, Columbia is nothing according to Kristen and gdad. That is the university whose press published the Columbia Guide to Standard American English. The same publication that proved the usage of me vs. I is a toss-up and neither is more correct than the other.
“That would be a good line for Biden: “Young man, life is not an Ayn Rand novel. You haven’t learned that yet.””
At which point Ryan carries an empty chair over next to Biden and says ‘Have a seat, you sure do sound winded.’
Only a heartbeat away….
Steve, I just saw your comment to me, and I see Dan answered you. I’m sure you don’t consider being a professor “work”. Far less being a “community organizer”, because the right doesn’t consider anything “work” unless a decent serving of screwing over the little guy is involved.
More to the point, Obama doesn’t represent the party that’s written off the “47%” of the population that “doesn’t pay income taxes”. I’d like to think Ryan’s generated some taxable income of his own as opposed to living off it.
Now let’s talk Ryan’s not-on-the-government’s-teat career…oh my, there was never a time since he graduated from college that he hasn’t been paid by the taxpayer, and had his health insurance covered by the taxpayers and never held a professional private sector job…moocher anyone?
“But remember, Columbia is nothing according to Kristen and gdad. That is the university whose press published the Columbia Guide to Standard American English. The same publication that proved the usage of me vs. I is a toss-up and neither is more correct than the other.”
MMM, just because Columbia got that wrong doesn’t mean you have to as well. Grow a spine, buddy!
Oh jeez Marked drop the OCD already. I have absolutely no doubt you’ll still be yammering about Suzie’s grammatical error a year from now. Be kind enough to her to let it go.
“ring-headslicer?” Good grief, pammala! WTH are you talking about? Is that something you use to prep the onions for the hot dogs?
“moocher anyone?”
IOKIYAR.
Uh-oh Shillary. In reference to your earlier post in the other thread about hitting your knees in your blue dress, Dan R says Obama has already fixed the economy. Looks like you better get ready to pucker up Buttercup. Strange though. It never crossed my mind that libs were referring to that when they said if we wanted the economy to improve we’re gonna have to suck it up.
“ring-headslicer?” Good grief, pammala! WTH are you talking about? Is that something you use to prep the onions for the hot dogs?”
Oh thank heaven for 7-Eleven.
Chuck = WRONG AGAIN. What the heck are you talking about with your comment @48? Can you link to where I posted anything about a blue dress? You have lost your mind, again.
Chuck, I am still waiting…can you explain what you were talking about in your post directed to me? Something about a “blue dress”…
Chuck,
The comment you are referring to, I think, is one made by Contrasuzie. You probably should apologize to Shillary.
Shrilliary never wrote, on the other thread Chuck references, that she would slip on a blue dress and get on her knees for Bill Clinton.
Contrasuzie wrote that, and it was an especially funny quip given that Contra is a guy.
Chuck, do you think it’s possible you got confused AND you didn’t get the joke, either? You’re striking out repeatedly on this one.
Re: blue dress comment
LOL! Got a little more mileage out of that one than I thought I would. I really only posted it because I figured Wilburn would get a kick out of it.
I presume Ron May that Chuck – being what he is – won’t apologize…but thanks to you and Dan for clearing up what the reference was…funny in the Contrasuzie context, not so much otherwise…
Unlike Shrillary, I think Chuck will admit his mistake and apologize.
54.Re: blue dress comment
LOL! Got a little more mileage out of that one than I thought I would. I really only posted it because I figured Wilburn would get a kick out of it.
Comment by Contrasuzie — October 11, 2012 @ 8:24 pm
Glad you got your kicks; perhaps you should apologize as a liberal has been offended.
Contra, Leon is suggesting you should apologize for Chuck’s unwarranted slur on Shrillary.
That kind of leaves you wondering which other conservatives’ dumb and unwarranted actions Leon believes the rest of us nonconservatives should be apologizing for.
Would you care to elaborate on that, Leon?
Would you like me to apologize for Bush declaring “Mission Accomplished” in Iraq, years before we ended fighting there, and well before thousands of American soldiers were killed, maimed or wounded?
#37 pammalamadingdong is getting really, really, weird.
Biden will anxiously save up “gotcha” lines and zingers like he’s holding a fart. Ryan will be excellent on the issues, but Biden and his experience will make the Overall better impression, mostly because his side has nowhere to go but up.
I predict Biden will “win”, but Ryan will be solid.
Raditz; “Let’s open with the wingnut’s number one talking point…”
Anyone that resorts to name calling clearly needs to stay out of a blog. It is clear that weak minded people have no real talking points. Unfortunately most people of one party always fall back to this tactic. They have close ties to people that trash any place they meet, they insult fellow Americans to further their goals. Slander those that disagree with their ideals and values. What party do you think I am talking about?
“I really only posted it because I figured Wilburn would get a kick out of it.”
Yes, I did. Your creativity never goes unnoticed
There’s a great joke about a blue dress, by the way. If I remember or find it, I’ll send it to you.
Ryan is stronger crisper points. Biden can only sit there smirking,
Vice – President Biden is not a bright man
“Iran is no closer to nuclear weapons than when we took office” That’s rich.
OK. So we’ve established Iran is nowhere near nuclear weapons. Somebody better tell the rest of the world.
Ryan takes the foreign policy segment. Now let’s get to the economy (smirk).
Oh wow. Now there’s no economic downturn. OKAYYYY
And not Biden is laughing that there is 10% unemployment in parts of Wisconsin. Very statesman like.
Leon is the gift that keeps on giving.
Biden is talking about putting stuff on a credit card now. LMAOOOOO
Oh wow. The mod cut off Ryan while he was hammering the idiot on ‘green jobs’. “Okay, okay, we’ve talked about that enough”
Ryan sounds like Alfalfa on The Little Rascals. He’s simpering, totally wonky, and he sounds tinny. Biden is schooling him. It’s sad, in a way — for the GOP ticket.
Okay, okay, I’ll say I’m sorry. I’m sorry that Linda Tripp wasn’t gettin’ any.
Biden is killing Ryan. It’s not even close.
Eddie Munster is getting creamed by Joe Biden…
Biden sounds like a statesman. Ryan comes across like a wonky twerp.
ALFALFA! No wonder Biden’s laughing at him.
Eddie Munster is getting his @$$ handed to him.
Ryan looks like he wishes there was some hemlock in that water glass…I love Joe calling out the ahem, “inaccuracies” – Ryan when asked about specifics equivocates as usual…asked again, about specifics…got nothing…
OMG. Biden’s medication is starting to wear off. He’s a ranting sputtering crazy man.
Ryan was the cool professional. Biden was the crazy smirking ranting interrupting imprecise unstable and disrespectful.
The only think Ryan didn’t do that he should have done is put the idiot in his place.
I feel a little sorry for Ryan. He’s in a position of defending a running mate who’s been on every side of every issue — and Romney’s still changing his mind on some of them. LOL
To paraphrase Joe Piscopo, “Biden’s got pieces of guys like Ryan in his stool.” This isn’t even close.
The little bit I saw Ryan was stammering and stuttering. Nothing smooth at all. Then I went back to baseball.
LMAO. 30 minutes to go. Watching what all Biden will do will be worth the price of admission.
Ryan – who wants him this guy one heartbeat away from the presidency?…can’t even get his talking points right.
Holy hell. Biden is acting inebriating. I r he had a few beforehand
Ryan wants to fundamentally change Medicare by 2014, but he’s unwilling to commit to bringing our troops home from Afghanistan by then.
ol’ vp joe is the gift that keeps on giving. does he even know what he looks like with his infantile behavior….on a split screen? Oh, he knows all right. he already knows he and his boss have lost the independents, and he’s acting the way he is for 2 reasons:
1. that’s just the way he is, and
2. he is simply trying to keep any of his true believers, like ol’ dano, sandi, the Bobsey Twins, tristen, etc., from peeling off to Romney. what he and the pres don’t seem to realize is that THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT WOULD CAUSE ANY OF THE TRUE LIBS TO PEEL OFF….
and therefore, they are pandering only to their already adoring, IV-infused-with-kool-aid libs…. they have lost the others.
Does he REALLY know what his behavior looks like on the split screen? How did Romney pool THAT off?
Ryan would make a great weatherman in Afghanistan! He’s got those seasons down pat.
Afghans to do the job…Afghans to do the job. Yep, that is the way it is suppose to work…Eddie Munster wants Americans to go out and get killed, not the Afghan soldiers…wow
Seriously, folks. Is Biden slurring his words? He sounds like Foster Brooks.
LOL. Paul is just sitting there, letting him ramble on. Very respectful, but he’s allowing him to hang himself.
My 15 year old daughter just came down to my wife and I and made two interesting observations. First, she said “the old guy is pissing me off. Everytime the young guy tries to talk, the old guy talks over him.” The second observation was “I thought the moderator wasn’t supposed to take sides?”
Yeah, Joe, your foreign policy is working well. The problem with “It’s the Afghan’s job” and that’s why “we will be out by 2014″ is that if we just cut and run and the Afghans DON’T get the job done and the taliban and al-qaeda are allowed to rebuild, WE pay the price.
Damn, I wish alcohol wore evenly. I much preferred the early laughing drunk to the current rambling drunk.
Hey Dan, weren’t you the one talking all the way through last week’s debate about how Obama was winning right up until, oh well, the rest of the world acknowledged that Obama was the loser?
Oh yeah. Bring up the Catholic issue and abortion.
Ryan wants to go to war with Iran to prevent war with Iran. And he wants to invade Syria, I guess. It’s hard to tell.
He’s really out of his element in foreign affairs. But he would make a great TV weatherman in Kabul.
Time to play to the fundies.
Sorry, Joe. You aren’t a practicing Catholic.
I predict Christopher will be sent home and Melissa will win this week’s challenge…oops!…sorry…I changed the channel. I gotta say, though, the Runway challenge is more intense than the VP debate. Who woulda thought?
Yeah Dan, that’s what he said. Which channel are you watching?
The RWers are trying to make Joe something he is not, and are trying to make Ryan vice-presidential…neither is working. Ryan keeps on drinking…he will slosh all the way back to Wisconsin..bye bye.
He Chuck, where’s my apology?
Chuck, have a little class and apologize to Shrillary before you post any more, OK?
VERY strong closing argument by Ryan.
Ryan gets a question from a soldier about building the the nation up, and he answers by tearing down Obama with more RW lies.
Ryan just drilled the Obama administration on all the broken promises. And somebody get Biden his Geritol. He’s asking for equal time when HE WENT FIRST! AND THE MODERATOR GAVE IT TO HIM!
That was great. Biden just demonstrated the tone and practice of the entire Obama Administration. “He gets 40 and I get 15″. He might as well have said “Whaaaaaaa! It’s not fair. It’s not our fault.
Lyin’ Ryan is uniquely qualified to lead this country because of his “honesty.” His HONESTY? He must have bit his tongue on the prefix, “dis.”
if there were ANYONE out there who STILL doesn’t think vp joe is nothing but a blowhard?
“Suzie says:
Holy hell. Biden is acting inebriating. I r he had a few beforehand
Posted on October 11th, 2012″
Check it out! Screwzie’s obviously playing the VP Debate Drinking Game! I wonder which version? Probably the take-a-shot-every-time-Ryan-takes-a-sip game.
#91 Now suzie’s just making up more lies.
Don’t think Ryan helped Romney tonight…Go Joe
Evidently Chuck is intent on making me “look wrong” when I stuck up for him and predicted he would apologize to Shrillary. My mistake!
Hey Chuck I am still waiting…tick tock tick tock
Interesting that you posted this comment before he started his closing statement. Geeeessshhh!!!
#107 Chuck, why would you post a disgusting lie about Shrillary?
Dan you can’t help if you have faith in people – just happened in this case the wrong person…
Biden is going to have to answer for calling the State Department liars.
Biden getting pounded for smirking too much. I agree. It was very disrespectful.
If someone sees Ryan running down the street please stop him and get Biden’s boot out of his ass.
Ryan’s tough guy persona just goes up in smoke. He spent the last hour and a half curled up in the fetal position crying for momma while a guy 27 years his senior fed him biscuits like he was working at Hardees.
according to ol’ vp joe, our intelligence community was responsible for the Libya thinga…., AND, when Iran gets closer to “the bomb”, our “intelligence community” will tell us…!
Jep, Marked Man, that’s the guy that’s one heart-beat away from being president.
Romney campaign now pleading for super glue donations. Ryan needs them desperately to reattach his ass.
Art Hill says:
To paraphrase Joe Piscopo, “Biden’s got pieces of guys like Ryan in his stool.” This isn’t even close.
Posted on October 11th, 2012
That pretty well sums it up!
The story is Biden’s unlikeability, folks. Every single network hammering the circus clown. Even MSNBC.
Biden also getting nailed for his whopper about State Department security in Libya.
Joe Biden wasn’t smirking – Joe was LAUGHING at Ryan…letting him sit at the grown up table…quite a joke.
Interesting that you posted this comment before he started his closing statement. Geeeessshhh!!!
Actually it wasn’t his closing statement, but it was damn good.
Romney/Ryan = malarkey
I suppose if Alfalfa from “The Little Rascals” debated President John F. Kennedy, there would be some nutcases out there who claimed Alfalfa won. And that explains the comments from Chuck, Suzie, Frank and Leon. They are living on a different planet, that’s all.
The fact is, Joe Biden hammered Rep. Paul Ryan tonight. It wasn’t close. Biden was statesmanlike, he was passionate, he had a command of facts that Ryan didn’t.
Yes, he laughed at Ryan on a few occasions. It was far more than “a smirk.” But consider the great self-control Biden exhibited by not howling and holding his sides for the entire debate. Because almost everything Ryan said was laughable, or sad, depending on your perspective.
Ryan sounded tinny, ultra-wonkish and weak. It’s clear he sees on the trees rather than the forest on just about every issue. He suggested the U.S. should go to war with Iran but also at the same time said it should not, and that Romney-Ryan supports a continuation of the current policy. SNL will have a field day on his apparent fixation with “the ayatollahs” and his wonkishness. And they will also have a field day with Biden’s grinning/laughter at the garbage Ryan was spewing.
The one thing we can give Ryan credit for was his knowledge of the seasons in Afghanistan. He had those down pat. Very impressive!
“Holy hell. Biden is acting inebriating. I r he had a few beforehand”
Sounds like Jethrene’s been in the corn-squeezins. Don’t blame you, guy, Ryan got hammered.
Let’s give Suze a break. There are no rules against drunken commenting here.
From Huffpost:
“WASHINGTON — An hour into the debate, a survey of more than 300 debate watchers from across the political spectrum finds that Vice President Joe Biden is handily beating Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) by a margin of 65 percent to 35 percent.
The survey, conducted for HuffPost by OverTheShoulder.com, is dubbed a “Smartphone Town Hall” and draws on a random sample of more than 300 voters. The members of the panel are watching the debate live and answering questions sent to their phones.
Roughly the first 20 minutes of the debate focused on foreign policy and national security, a comfort zone for Biden and something Ryan has spent little time on. Still, the Obama campaign has been on its heels since a deadly attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, killed the U.S. ambassador there. The debate then moved to domestic policy, and Biden immediately lit into Ryan over Mitt Romney’s infamous 47 percent comments.
Biden has spent the night on the offensive, smiling and laughing as Ryan answers, sometimes fact-checking him before he finishes his sentence.“
Yes Joe Biden this was a BFD…no lies no nasty remarks just years of experience displayed against Romney’s BFF’s inexperience…
wow. wow.
1. ol’ vp joe is one heartbeat away from being president. don’t we all feel REAL good with that, eh?
2. this time, with vp joe’s personal story about losing his first wife and daughter, I’s surprised he didn’t mention the drunk driver.
3. you know, when you listen to ol’ joe’s comments, saw his shallowness and narrow-mindedness, it is easy to form the opinion of ol’ joe as being nothing more than a bully…, and that he ol’ dano seem to have similar personality traits.
4. you know, with ol’ joe’s crass behavior tonight, he just might have trouble on his hands at home. He should.
“Holy hell. Biden is acting inebriating. I r he had a few beforehand.”
Someone’s with pammallala getting into the PBR.
Tomorrow’s RW spin”
Ryan held his own
Ryan was up against a senior politician [having ridiculed Joe as an old rambling mistake ridden guy this week]
Biden should have been better because he is a senior politician – see above.
Nobody really cares about these debates…bwahahahahahah
I reckon that, based on his silence, even Michael Howdyshell realizes Biden won. He just doesn’t want to come on here and admit it, is all.
A story came out today that Ryan hadn’t asked Sarah Palin for any advice in the debate run-up.
Perhaps he should have.
Shrillary:
132.”Yes Joe Biden this was a BFD…no lies no nasty remarks just years of experience displayed against Romney’s BFF’s inexperience…”
Shrillary, Biden’s behavior was inexcusable. I have never seen a more classless debate performance. Romney’s was close, but Biden was far worse. Of course, the media gave the win to Romney, so why not. I’m embarrased that our vice president conducted himself that way. He sold his manners on the advice of his debate coach. Biden is better than that and I think we had good reason to expect better of him.
Someone’s with pammallala getting into the PBR.
Comment by Kristen — October 11, 2012 @ 11:05 pm
Hey! If pammallala’s 7-11 sells PBR I might have to stop by and get a six pack the next time I’m in town.
They each won a few points, but I cannot stand our leaders behaving that way, regardless of party. Biden would have won on style had he been cool and been the same Biden in the 2008 primary debates. i though that Biden was the best candidate the Democrats had that year.
Our culture doesn’t value civility like it once did. Biden’s interrupting turned it into the O’Reilly factor (which I cannot stand to watch for the incessant rudeness of o’Reilly). It was a sad reflection of our culture more than the candidates.
Speaking of Biden’s personal family tragedy in 1972, the death of his wife and his 18 month old daughter, I thought it was extremely crass by the Romney/Ryan campaign to try this (sorry for the long quote!):
RYAN: He talks about Detroit. Mitt Romney’s a car guy. They keep misquoting him, but let me tell you about the Mitt Romney I know. This is a guy who I was talking to a family in Northborough, Massachusetts the other day, Sheryl and Mark Nixon. Their kids were hit in a car crash, four of them. Two of them, Rob and Reed, were paralyzed.
Given Ryan’s extreme debate preparation, including this story was a calculated attempt to distract Biden emotionally. I think Ryan’s use of it here shows that he felt Biden had the upper hand in the debate. It also shows a lack of character by Ryan and Romney.
Well Sarah would have told him to wink more and say “ya betcha” frequently…
John Wilburn,
Biden did interrupt a few times — when it was clear Ryan was trying to hog as much time as possible and keep Biden from saying anything.
If he hadn’t, you’d be on here calling him a wuss who let Ryan walk all over him.
CNN post-debate poll: Who won?
Ryan 48%, Biden 44%
Best line of the night; “Oh, now you’re Jack Kennedy.”
Fox News is calling Joe Biden “mean” – oh boy…I guess when a Democrat speaks up, they are mean. When a republican speaks up they are “forceful”…
Dan:
“If he hadn’t, you’d be on here calling him a wuss who let Ryan walk all over him.”
Dan, was Biden’s conduct becoming of a vice president? Yes or no? I’m not putting anything patisan into this. In fact, you had no problem with me saying Romney “acted like a jackass” during his debate. That performance has now paled in comparison with Biden’s. I’m fair on this. Are you?
John Wilburn,
I agree with you on the civility issue. However, we get the behavior we permit.
Last week we, the college I work for, had our Bishop on campus to give a presentation regarding the Catholic church’s position on immigration. We sponsor a lecture series each year and his presentation was part of that. It is open to the public. The Bishop did a great job making the presentation and there was a vigorous discussion after the presentation. I moderated that discussion. Some tried to take that discussion in a direction it didn’t need to go. I didn’t permit it to go there. The Bishop, to his credit, was prepared well and didn’t get too ruffled by the discussion.
We can disagree with each other, but we should do so amicably.
John,
As I have said before on this blog, Romney won on style (though not at all on substance). That style was aggressive. Obama’s chief fault, style-wise, was not challenging Romeney on his distortions, lies and inaccuracies. Biden did that. Sue, he bridled a bit when Ryan tried to hog time, and he did interrupt. But he called Ryan out on his BS, and he did it appropriately.
I’ll say it again: If he hadn’t, you’d be on here calling him a wuss who got walked all over.
Dan:
76.”Biden sounds like a statesman. Ryan comes across like a wonky twerp.”
Oh, please. I’m disappointed that you’re defending that. “Statesman” does not describe Biden’s performance at all. Biden had a great advantage going in; still not sure why he gave it away to be remembered for for being a condescending jerk.
CNN, FOX calling it a win for Ryan. The little boy, er Rachel Maddow calling it for the drunk.
Dan:
“As I have said before on this blog, Romney won on style (though not at all on substance). That style was aggressive.”
Steamrolling the moderator and disrespecting the time of one’s opponent is not “agressive”. it’s wrong.
“I’ll say it again: If he hadn’t, you’d be on here calling him a wuss who got walked all over.”
Said twice. Wrong twice. It’s not my fault if he doesn’t have a good answer, but civility was sorely lacking. If the second presidential debate goes that way and becomes a reality-TV spectacle, I’ll just turn it off.
Some tried to take that discussion in a direction it didn’t need to go. I didn’t permit it to go there.
You mean some people don’t think folks should be allowed to immigrate unless they follow our immigration laws?
Glad you headed that one off.
When are you having the bishop talk on abortion? How are you going to moderate that? Cut the bishop off?
Ryan wins 2 to 1 on likability.
Beautiful. That means he won the battle. We already knew Ryan had the edge on facts and figures. This is a bonus.
Caveat on the CNN poll, by CNN:
“According to This Poll
SPECIAL NOTE OF CAUTION #1: This poll does not and cannot reflect the views of all Americans. It only represents the views of people who watched the debate. SPECIAL NOTE OF CAUTION #2: The sample of debate-watchers in this poll were 31% Democratic and 33% Republican. That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is about eight points more Republican than an average CNN poll of all Americans, so the respondents were more Republican than the general public”
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/pollingcenter/polls/3262
Pretty said when CNN has to acknowledge the unreliability of their own polling…
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should have been pretty “sad” – waaaay to late to hit the keys. Good night all.
Question of the day:
In what year did Biden get his false teeth? My friend the dentist said he tries to talk people out of commode-white dentures like Frank Sinatra had. Old Vain Joe didn’t listen. Those choppers are as fake as 7.8% unemployment.
Ron May:
“I moderated that discussion. Some tried to take that discussion in a direction it didn’t need to go. I didn’t permit it to go there.”
Great. I nominate Ron May to moderate the next presidential debate. Actually, I’m willing to moderate a candidate debate and was slightly critical of Christian Trejbal’s performance as moderator of the Montgomey County debates last fall. He was fair, but didn’t keep them on task. I would love to try my hand at that.
Biden received more speaking time than Ryan (Obama was allowed more speaking time, too). So it’s interesting to see Ryan being accused of “hogging” time (at least on this blog…haven’t heard that anywhere else).
The CNN post-debate poll that is referenced by John Wilburn is interesting. As John stated, CNN gave it to Ryan 48%-44%. The same poll had a few other interesting nuggets: 1) Overall, did tonight’s debate make you more likely to vote for Barack Obama or Mitt Romney? 28% said they would vote for Romney, 21% said they would vote for Obama. 2)Who defended their running mate better? Ryan-49%, Biden-43%. 3)Who expressed their views more clearly? Ryan-50%, Biden-41%. 4) Who spent more time attacking their opponent? Ryan-19%, Biden-70%. 5) Who was more likeable? Ryan-53%, Biden-43%. 6)Who was more in touch with the needs and problems of people like you? Ryan-51%, Biden-44%.
Doesn’t sound like such a dominating victory, Dano. I guess you could always fall back on old faithful: CNN is a racist organization and everyone that was questioned in their post-debate poll is racist.
Chuck:
Are you going to tell your 15 year old daughter what you said on the internet about a woman you’ve never met, and why you refuse to apologize for it?
Rmoney/Rayn’s new campaign chant:
Four More Wars!
Four More Wars!
Four More Wars!
Four More Wars!
105.Ryan gets a question from a soldier about building the the nation up, and he answers by tearing down Obama with more RW lies. (comment by Dan)
I noticed that too, Dan; asked what they had to say about negativity in campaigns, Rayn’s response quickly became a litany of complaints and negativity, with no sense that Rayn was even aware of the contradiction in his answer,just like most of his contradictory answers.
I loved it during those several times when the Vice-President said “I was there in the room when that decision was made”. When he said it about the bipartisan effort to address the deficits that Reagan’s tax cuts caused, I had to wonder if that meeting was when Rayn was getting his most significant private sector experience, driving the Weinermobile. Because after all, Rayn, the purported champion of “job creators” HAS spent his entire adult life sucking at the taxpayer teat.
HuffPost scored it for Biden, pretty big.
1. Biden interrupted every time that Ryan told a lie or got his figures wrong. That was frequent.
2. Biden needed to be agressive because Romney/Ryan and the Rethugs have a mindset that they are going to roll over the opposwition and they needed to be stopped.
3 Biden was not smirking at Ryan. He was very effectively laughing at him when he strayed ofrf into fantasyland with another lie. By doing that he communicated to the TV audience that Ryan was lying without actully having to call him a mliar.
4.iden destroyed Ryan on the social security and medicare issues, on the effect of the stimulus issue, on the auto bailout issue.
Biden’s most effective line was when he said that the economy would be much stronger now if the Repiublicans in Congress would have gotten out of the way insteaf of trying to block everything .
5. On foreign policy Ryan was a babe in the woods, in particular on the Afghanistan, Syria, and Iran issues. and Biden schooled him on all of those.
An earlier blogger cherry picked a CNN poll. The CBS poll had Biden winning 50% to 31%.
Wow! Screwzie was posting dangerously close to the ‘loser hours’ last night!
I wonder: does your dentist friend also talk younger people out of those expensive teeth-whitening procedures as well? Or is it okay to have commode white teeth up to a certain age?
Out of curiosity, what year did you start dyeing your hair a color other than its natural color? Was that before or after the grays started showing up?
164.HuffPost scored it for Biden, pretty big.
Comment by Dan Casey — October 12, 2012 @ 1:09 am
Of course they did. . .three days ago!
90.Afghans to do the job…Afghans to do the job. Yep, that is the way it is suppose to work…Eddie Munster wants Americans to go out and get killed, not the Afghan soldiers…wow
Comment by Shrillary — October 11, 2012 @ 10:08 pm
It is well to remember that more are dying in Afghanistan under B0 than under GWB. Ryan’s point about letting the commander’s on the ground make more decisions is common sense; let the leader’s lead. There are not any
leaders at the WH now; only corrupt imitations. As to 2014. . .advertising one’s intentions is not a good idea when one is fighting a war. . .and the USA is still engaged, on multiple fronts, in the war on terror. Like it or Not.
Chuck, have a little class and apologize to Shrillary before you post any more, OK?
Are you going to tell your 15 year old daughter what you said on the internet about a woman you’ve never met, and why you refuse to apologize for it?
Dan and other leftwingers have said a lot worse about me, including insinuating I was a prostitute. How they shriek to high heaven when they think a leftwing woman got insulted. Now all the sudden it’s not so funny.
Joe Biden’s next job – Polident spokesman. Size 5 mouth, Size 10 Teeth, Size 1 Brain.
The Proverbs scored it better:
29.9 If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.
Of course Ryan won to the conservative eyes and ears, they are tone deaf and blind to conservative lies, and his sticking to vague and incomplete talking points was a sign of strength not the lack of intellectual depth and true policy understanding. Proving once again why they are called “low effort” voters. How are we ever to rebuild a nation with such refuse?
Women especially irritated by Biden’s smirking and laughing
http://www.gop.com/news/research/what-they-are-saying-bidens-smirk-doesnt-charm-debate-watchers/
CNN nailed it. They said over time, Biden’s smirking and laughing will become the storyline of this debate, overshadowing the substance, just like Algore’s sighing in 2000 became the story. In the end it will lead to the accurate perception that Biden lost the debate.
Women, it seems were particularly annoyed. I know I was. See, women are very attuned to condescension and lack of respect. We can deal with someone being “not nice” as long as it’s tied to a necessary purpose, but Biden was just being an ass for the hell of it, and that’s what really turns women off.
Girl was also dead on in her real-time reaction to each debate in foreshadowing the public take:
OMG. Romney’s crushing him.
Comment by Suzie — October 3, 2012 @ 9:47 pm
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Ryan was the cool professional. Biden was the crazy smirking ranting interrupting imprecise unstable and disrespectful.
I could easily be a talking head on one of those networks.
Comment by Suzie — October 11, 2012 @ 9:59 pm
OMG! There is a reliable source for you: gop.com/news/research/
Glad the Unbiased Huff Post scored big for Biden..ha ha ha ha ha ha.
What about CNN?
Excited the base, came off as an arrogant jerk to moderates.
In truth, Ryan missed some opportunities.
He should have hammered the circus clown on his assertion the State Department lied on Libya
He should have called out on his sneering disrespect.
He should have been more forceful in his point about Catholic Bishops opposing 0bamacare. (He started to, but got interrupted by Raddatz and Biden.
He should have waved off Raddatz’ interruption and continued hammering Biden on Solyndra, et al.
He should have been less deferential to the drunk’s interruptions.
Ryan won, but he could have been more forceful.
Sounds like Sandi needs to be let out again, Dano. She’s barking at the wall again.
You know Joe the pro wiped the flour with Lyn’ Ryan when the crazies over at FOX this morning are whining that “Uncle Joe was sooo mean, mommy!”
The Fox bobbleheads went into overdrive with the amount of anger & hate spewed against the VP beginning at the end of the debate and continuing this morning. It is evident to even them that Ryan did not help Romney…
Ryan “won” like Bristol Palin “won” on dancing with the stars…
Joe Biden looked like a clone of Howard Dean last night. Rude and arrogant. And this man holds the second most powerful position in the free world? No wonder our enemies are laughing at us.
“I hears the chains a rattlin’” LOL!
The right’s new “winning” strategy. “Biden’s teeth are fake”.
Dave,
Most media outlets are considering last nights debate a draw, with each candidate scoring some points on different issues. Unlike the destruction of Dear Leader and his low effort at the last debate, there was no clear-cut winner last night. And even most of the liberal pundits completely disagreed with the childish, condescending, immature and irrational guffawing of ol’ hair plugs. Only you and Dano seem to think those antics were worthy of a vice presidential debate. Coming from the two of you, I am not surprised at all.
The bummer for you guys is that you now have Dear Leader to hope and pray for in the next debate. I imagine thinking about that doesn’t have you feelin’ too comfortable at all, considering the beating he took in the last one. Enjoy that feeling.
I watched the debate with a 25 and 26 year old who didn’t know much about the candidates prior to the debate. During the debate, they couldn’t decide whether Biden was senile or drunk. They were completely turned off by him and liked Ryan. Just what I hoped would happen. Perfect!
Biden was what he is, the “drunk uncle at the Christmas party.” Ryan, who is intelligent looked even more so compared to Biden. Ryan was polite and tolerant toward Biden, the way a successful young man should deal with his mentally slow, old uncle when he visits him in the nursing home. Good job Paul Ryan.
PP,
It was a HuffPost poll. Not an analysis. I’m a moderate. Biden didn’t come across as an arrogant jerk to me. He was passionate and knowledgeable and appropriately reserved, to the extent that is possible for an Irish American, in the face of Ryan’s BS garbage.
Ryan came across like Alfalfa from The Little Rascals, obsessed over “the ayatollahs.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/lindsay-lohan-romney-vote-employment_n_1960935.html
Rmoney has the drunken crack-ho vote locked up!
“The court’s decision leaves untouched the “preventive services” provision in the legislation under which the Department of Health and Human Services issued a regulation that will require virtually all health-care plans in the United States to cover sterilizations, artificial contraceptives and abortion-inducing drugs.”
SuzieQ, the opposition to the Affordable Care Act by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops(USCCB) is rooted in its opposition to one portion of the Act. That is the requirement that health-care plans are required to cover sterilizations, contraceptives and abortion inducing drugs. If Congress were to amend the Act to remove that one requirement, the USCCB would be in favor of the ACA.
“I could easily be a talking head on one of those networks.”
Nope, you couldn’t. You’re not young enough anymore.
Two funny “analyses” of last night’s debate”
1. You know what’s the difference between Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan? Lipstick.
2. Joe Biden laughed at him [Ryan]? Of course, he did. The only other option was to hand him a participation ribbon and take him to Burger King for lunch.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-debate-joe-biden-13626962#ixzz295mIG81A
Yes Vast Right Wing…, we are well aware of what the “low effort” voters go for.
Suzie defending Chuck’s disgusting post just took it to the lowest level. You have accused me of a similar activity in your low life depraved rantings so back down, no room for you on that pew!
Chuck, that was truly beneath you. Not Suzie, not lower case matt, not even Frank, but it was beneath you. Your refusal to even acknowledge attacking the wrong poster speaks volumes too.
I still can’t figure out why Chuck doesn’t simply admit he was wrong and apologize. Geez, everybody makes mistakes now and then.
It’s a little skeevy that someone with a young daughter would talk that way online to a strange female, but whatever. Once you start attacking a guy over his dead family, it’s not possible to get much lower.
I still can’t figure out why Chuck doesn’t simply admit he was wrong and apologize. Geez, everybody makes mistakes now and then.
I still can’t figure out why dan doesn’t simply apologize for calling me a prostitute.
A poster on CNN’s website said it best about Biden:
“Can you imagine this classless bloviating lunatic as president?”
DAN #184 “I’m a moderate”
Dan, this is the POST OF THE DAY! Conservatives on this board you have to read #184!!!
Dan said he is a “moderate”!!!!!!!!!
I’m from the undersea world of Atlantis and have fins instead of feet.
Dan, what are you moderate on?
PP,
I am a moderate. Former U.S. Senator John Warner is my favorite senator from Virgina ever. I worked for the Nixon campaign (as a volunteer) in 1972. I have voted for both Republicans and Democrats in presidential elections, elections to the House of Representatives, the Senate, the Maryland and Virginia general assemblies, and city council races. I vote for the person I believe is the best candidate, period. Usually (though certainly not in the case of John Warner) I find myself not voting “FOR” anyone, but “AGAINST” the worse other candidate.
Alas, in more recent years the Republican Party has gone full-tilt crazy. They’ve left me behind as they’ve moved to the far right, and begun advocating positions against clean air, clean water, and subsistence-level support for society’s have-nots.
I haven’t changed. The Republican Party has.(So has the Democratic Party. They’ve become more conservative, too.)
If you can’t see this, you need to go see an ophthalmologist pronto. And better get your hearing checked, too.
I’m not the only one who feels this way, btw. Many, many conversations I’ve had with friends and acquaintances have revealed they’re thinking the same way.
@185 – Good. Now if he could only steal some of the “no effort” obamaphone demographic…
“Dan, what are you moderate on?”
Lots of things. I’m writing my Sunday column so I don’t have time to run down the whole list. But here’s one: Food stamps/SNAP.
Currently, those benefits can by used to buy just about anything in a grocery store other than cigarettes and alcohol. Recipients can spend all of those benefits on candy, soda and potato chips if they want.
Because the program is supposed to provide nutrition, and NONE of those items do, I believe SNAP should be restricted to items such as dairy, meat, vegetables, fruits, cereal etc. There’s already a system set up for this called WIC that provides only nutritious food for pregnant women. SNAP ought to follow the WIC guidelines.
I’ve outlined this more fully in a column.
I applaud any Republicans who are trying to change the system to what I’ve described. But many of them won’t even breathe a word of support for it, lest they run afoul of the snack-food and grocery industries, two huge businesses who are receiving billions and billions each year in SNAP subsidies.
I’m from the undersea world of Atlantis and have fins instead of feet.
Comment by pistol pete — October 12, 2012 @ 11:17 am
Now that I believe…
From the CQ Roll Call Daily Briefing Email:
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There’s no single dominant conclusion about last night around the national water cooler this morning. The millions of tweets, thousands of blog posts, hundreds of TV talking heads and dozens of newspaper analyses offer a cumulative babble about the takeaways from the vice-presidential debate. Which means that a tie goes to both of them.
Each is getting credit from his partisan backers for “doing what he had to do.”
**
Dan, there are states in the U.S. in which EBT cards can be used to buy cigarettes and alcohol. Remember the cashier in N.H. who refused to sell a man cigarettes because he was using an EBT card to buy them? Just unreal.
“Whiton said her boss told her she can’t refuse to sell beer and cigarettes to customers, because, according to the Department of Health and Human Services, EBT or state assistance money can be used to purchase tobacco products.”
“New Hampshire officials said no state in the country has restrictions on how cash benefits can be spent. They said enforcing restrictions would require an expensive infrastructure to be created.”
Read more: http://www.wmur.com/news/nh-news/Peterborough-clerk-says-she-was-fired-over-EBT-cards/-/9857858/15276636/-/3n84t/-/index.html#ixzz296QSuTpC
Yeah, stand up, Chuck! Oh, God love ya, what am I talking about?!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2mzbuRgnI4
A biased moderate????? Hum?
“I am a moderate.”
vs.
“…, I’m an opinion columnist. By definition, an opinion columnist has — gasp! — an opinion. Opinions are subjective, and that is the opposite of objective. And that mean biased.
It’s a source of great mirth to me how riled up my critics get about this elementary fact.”
Comment by Dan Casey — August 29, 2012 @ 10:36 pm – on http://tinyurl.com/c27cq8m
“MMM, just because Columbia got that wrong doesn’t mean you have to as well. Grow a spine, buddy!”
You are right, Dan. I can’t believe they gave obama a diploma either.
Kristen, I had honestly forgot it was Suzie that brought it up in the first place. I couldn’t remember who it was… just that you were wrong.
And, someone that wrote the Columbia Guide to Standard American English proved you are wrong.
Some might enjoy some of these:
http://tinyurl.com/9zz6wld
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The 25 funniest tweets about the VP debate
Brandon Griggs, CNN
By Brandon Griggs, CNN
updated 11:15 AM EDT, Fri October 12, 2012 | Filed under: Social Media
SNIP
Fair or not, those were just two characterizations of Thursday’s vice presidential debate on Twitter, where a Greek chorus of jokesters kept up a witty commentary throughout the 90-minute throwdown. As with any live TV event in the social media age, the people of Twitter let no gaffe or verbal tic go unnoticed.
Here are 25 of our favorites:
SNIP
Did you see other debate tweets that made you laugh? Let us know in the comments or by tweeting us @cnntech and we’ll add the best ones to the list.
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FWIIW I rather liked:
Morgan Murphy – Biden’s teeth are so white they’re voting for Romney.
Chad Schomber – To think, all this just to sway 4-6% of undecided voters. And those folks are not watching the #VPdebate.
From Pistol Pete
I’m from the undersea world of Atlantis and have fins instead of feet.
Comment by pistol pete — October 12, 2012 @ 11:17 am
At last PP says something we can probably believe in. He still hasn’t fully evolved. As for the moderate versus extremist debate, here is an op ed from the Washington Post by the best candidate running for Congress in the 6th district which perfectly frames that issue. Democrats are yesterday’s moderates. The Republican party has been taken over by right wing extremists and there are lots of Republicans out there who feelk that their party has left them out in the cold and are very conflicted about voting for the people who have taken over.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-far-right-has-skewed-our-political-debate/2012/10/11/1b25e374-081c-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_story.html
I could easily be a talking head on one of those networks.
Comment by Suzie — October 11, 2012 @ 9:59 pm
Comment by Suzie — October 12, 2012 @ 9:14 am
You’re right Suzie. I could easily seeing you cohosting the Glenn Beck
show or maybe even fetching coffee for Rush Limbaugh and giving him neckrubs while he rails on about sluts.
Dan:
“I’m a moderate. Biden didn’t come across as an arrogant jerk to me. He was passionate and knowledgeable and appropriately reserved, to the extent that is possible for an Irish American”
Wow. Dan actually defends it. I’m disappointed.
Suzie:
“I still can’t figure out why dan doesn’t simply apologize for calling me a prostitute.”
I, for one, never thougth you were. Something tells me Big Lots couldn’t sell that box for 99 cents.
Suzie citing an outside post:
“Can you imagine this classless bloviating lunatic as president?”
In 2008, I couldn’t imagine Obama as president, so I guess I could get used to it if I had to.
matt, I said nothing about EBT cards. Those are different than SNAP cards. Different program, different rules.
pistol pete:
200.”I’m from the undersea world of Atlantis and have fins instead of feet.
Look at this! Is pistol pete studying evolution?
Dave Hicks,
Being moderate doesn’t mean you can’t have an opinion.
“Matt, I said nothing about EBT cards. Those are different than SNAP cards.” –Dan
Umm…Dano?
“Common benefits (in the United States) provided via EBT are typically of two general categories: Food and cash benefits.”
“Through EBT, a recipient uses his/her EBT card to make purchases at participating retailers. Food-stamp benefits can only be used to purchase food items authorized by the USDA’s SNAP program. Cash benefits may be used to purchase any item at a participating retailer, as well as to obtain cash-back or make a cash withdrawal from a participating ATM.”
“State agencies work with contractors to procure their own EBT systems for delivery of SNAP and other state-administered benefit programs. In the United States, ALL SNAP benefits are now being issued via EBT.”
“In the late 1990s, the food-stamp program was revamped and actual stamps were phased out in favor of a specialized debit-card system known as Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) provided by private contractors. Many states merged the use of the EBT card for public-assistance welfare programs as well.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Benefit_Transfer
matt,
You’re conflating SNAP with EBT. The former is a subset of the latter.
Allow me to clarify.
SNAP benefits are issued by electronic benefit transfer cards.
So are benefits under other welfare programs.
SNAP cards don’t allow for the purchase of alcohol and tobacco. The same restrictions were in place when the benefits were distributed as food stamps.
The other welfare programs do allow purchases like that. Those EBT benefits used to be issued via check, so there was no restriction before, and there is no restriction now.
I don’t think alcohol and cigarettes should be allowed to be purchased under either program.
I’m for greater limitations on the food bought with food stamps too, like cutting chips and crap and the endless tooth-rotting soda. I don’t know if it would be a ‘conservative’ position, I think it’s just a pro-nutrition position.
I like the way farmers markets are moving in the direction of taking SNAP benefits and doubling the dollars spent at the market…the people we buy from report a nice increase this year in people using their SNAP at the market.
“I don’t think alcohol and cigarettes should be allowed to be purchased under either program.”
Well we are in rare 100% agreement, Dan. I’m gonna go look out the window now, just to make sure there aren’t any pigs flying around.
Re: Comment by Dan Casey — October 12, 2012 @ 2:55 pm
Read my comment.
The focus was on being a “biased moderate.” Not on having a biased opinion. Most folk who are opinionated tend to be biased. And, for that matter, I never said that there could not be a “biased moderate.”
However, you must admit that that is not terminology that one runs into very often. Is it rather like being enthusiastically uncommitted, apathetically committed, etc?
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Kristen, you’re just another moderate who’s been left behind in conservatives’ shift to the far and crazy right.
holy cow! Hel- has frozen over! matt, ol’ dano, and kristen are all in agreement on the same issue! be careful matt…it’s all part of the libs’ strategery to woo you over… And, ol’ dano is trying to pass off kristen as a “moderate”, like, yeah, right.. be very, very careful.
Well, actually, I kinda agree with youse guys as well. sheesh!
Well, Frank, I have to say that I’m glad to hear you and matt agree with Kristen and me about this particularly egregious form of corporate welfare.
matt@3:41
Looking out the window is a good thing. Let a little light penetrate that dark hole you live in inside your mind. You might even learn something
for a change.
don’t go readin’ too much into it, ol’ dano.
By the way, for some chuckles, I suggest that all libs google “evelyn garcia palm beach county, and just start “readin and chuckling”!
To Shillary:
You were absolutely right. I mis-attributed one of Contra-Suzies posts to you where she referenced hitting her knees in a blue dress in front of Clinton. That was my mistake and you have my most sincere apology. Sorry it took so long. I just got back to this thread and saw all of the others trashing “who I am”, as they once again show their tolerance and hypocrisy. Apparently in their world anything is fair game until someone else does it, but that’s neither here nor there. Again, I was wrong and I apologize.
Chuck showed some CLASS! Hooray! It was only 24 hours after the fact!
Some people have to sleep on their sins. Where I come from, we used to say they have thick skulls.
Whatever. He has apologized like I predicted he would.
Good job, Chuck. Sincerely.
Chuck – Apology accepted. Let’s move on.
@223–Thanks, Dave. Great advice. Regarding windows – you should probably stay away from them. I imagine your life has all the glare it can handle…
SNAP benefits can be used to purchase all food products,but NOT beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes, or tobacco.
I’m with the others here who suggest soda and junk food should not be part of the purchasing power of SNAP – junk food provides far too many empty calories and should be substituted with healthier choices like fruits and whole grains, especially for children.
“SNAP benefits can be used to purchase all food products,but NOT beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes, or tobacco.
I’m with the others here who suggest soda and junk food should not be part of the purchasing power of SNAP – junk food provides far too many empty calories and should be substituted with healthier choices like fruits and whole grains, especially for children.”
–Comment by Shrillary
I think that we have arrived at something called “common ground” on this issue. Y’all ought to ask yourselves why this is not something some congressman or -woman is out there pushing this. Why isn’t Rep. Bob Goodlatte, former chair of the House Agriculture committees (SNAP is a function of USDA) leading the charge?
I don’t know the answer to that question. But I suspect it has to do with money and corporate lobbying and the pressures many in Congress are subject to.
Because, SNAP is NOT a welfare program for the poor. The money DOESN’T end up with them. They are merely the pass through. It ends up with Frito Lay, Coca Cola and Pepsi and outfits like Kroger, Food Lion and 7-Eleven.
SNAP and its junk-food underwriting are a disgrace and that aspect of it should be stopped. ESPECIALLY with a well-established and effective system like WIC to use as model for an alternative.
matt
Actually I open mine frequently, especially to let in a little fresh air to dissipate the stench in the room after reading one of your posts That BS leaves such an unpleasant odor.
“Actually I open mine frequently, especially to let in a little fresh air to dissipate the stench in the room…”– Dave
Sounds like you need to change the ol’ diaper, Dave.
The USDA last year was providing grants for farmer’s markets to get “wired” so that SNAP participants could make purchases at these local markets. I am not sure with the current republican push to cut benefits if these grants will be available after this year – but farmers were given notices of the program and the grant process – and it seemed to be a step in the right direction.