The Polls! — and a pre-debate #2 thread! — Oct. 16, 2012
Romney by 0.3 percent
We are using as our weekly yardstick here the Real Clear Politics average. It’s always changing slightly — it looks at the 7 most recent polls. The national snapshot we take is Tuesday at 10 a.m. And it shows Romney barely edging President Obama by three-tenths of 1 percentage point.
The Mittster clearly has the momentum, though his apparent edge is well within the margin of error. The question is, can he hold it?
Romney was actually up by more than a point over Obama in the RCP average on Saturday, following an apparent Romney surge after the first debate.
But the release of two polls Monday showing Obama as the slight favorite (by 1 and 3 points) seem to suggest that his surge is subsiding.
Did the vice-presidential debate, in which vice-president Joe Biden schooled Paul Ryan have anything to do with that? Perhaps.
Is it the truly rotten math in Mitt’s tax cut plan? That’s been getting wider attention in the media since it was revealed that of the “six studies” that prove the Mittster’s plan can work, four were either op-eds or blog posts by some GOP dimwit. And the other two were “studies” commissioned by the Romney campaign.
There’s no question that the big turn in Romney’s favor came after Obama’s lackluster performance in the Oct. 3 presidential debate.
The second one is tonight. Can Obama turn it around? Will the Mittster deliver the coup de grace? Stay tuned.
But in the meantime, put your predictions here.
October 16, 2012 - 11:00 AM
Potus might clean Mitt’s Clock
Not as baffling as watching Paulie cleaning an empty crock.
What’s the vegas line on someone asking the Pizza Hut “Pepporoni or Sausage” question? I got money on the President actually answering it if its asked.
All comes down to Ohio, if Obama can win it again, he gets 4 more.
i feel much better now, that Hillary has agreed to foist herself upon the proverbial sword…for Obama. Of course, all of us should believe Ms. Clinton. After all, (and in my opinion, this is the funniest whopper I can remember…), she SAID she “dodged sniper fire” when landing in Bosnia… when it was learned she didn’t.
Oops. Yeah, believe a Clinton. Sure. HaHa! How does this figure into the debate? Don’t know yet.
“How does this figure into the debate? Don’t know yet.”
Easy. Mitt will imply she’s a liar, which will help him cement the women’s vote (not!).
hey dano,
Hillary is well known to have said on more than one occasion, and I’ll para-phrase…, “the buck stops in the Oval Office”. I guess she meant… EXCEPT when obama is the one in the Oval Office. Eh?
I agree, Joe.
Biden is definitely an empty crock.
I believe Hillary…
“He continues to spend millions of dollars perpetuating falsehoods. So shame on you, Barack Obama.” – Hillary Clinton
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@5 – Rmoney doesn’t even have to respond to Clinton doing that. He’s letting them dig their own grave on the issue. The communication and story has been botched from the beginning. All he has to do is outline the events that have transpired to prove the incompetence of handling the situation.
I agree that it is not something we have been used to seeing, did it happen with any of the Bush heads of state? A department head who takes responsibility is a good thing. I applaud Secretary Clinton for her candor and her acceptance of her role as head of the State Department. I hope she has set a precedent for those who come after her.
Frank, you are supporting two liars so what is your problem with other liars? It does not make sense, unless you are just a total hypocrite. Oh wait…
I been puzzled by Romney’s tax plan. I know he wants to lower rates across the board and to limit deductions. I’ve finally found a site that
attempts to explain it more fully. I encourage everyone to read and understand the it’s nuances.
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/
Everybody make sure they click on Mike Scott’s link!
Obama Throws Hillary Under The Libya-Bus
Roanoke Times keeps this entire disaster and its coverup a secret!
It’s much too close to the election to cover the real news!
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http://roanokeslant.blogspot.com/2012/10/obama-throws-hillary-under-libya-bus.html
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I don’t get it, Mike. It’s a link that includes Romney’s good name and it allows you to press a ‘donate’ button which in turn sends more of my hard-earned money to democrats.
Why is that anything new??
MikeScott GREAT LINK.
#12 Now THAT was funny. And undeniably true.
#8 We’ll resist showering the blog with the all negative stuff that Republican primary candidates said about Romney. Because pretty much everybody except one person knows that all kinds of stuff gets said in primaries.
Hilarious! Thanks, I needed that!
Ever since Obama’s self-implosion two weeks ago, the shine is off the apple. The Emperor, it turns out, has no clothes. The Wizard of Oh was shown to be a little petulant man hiding behind a media made curtain. The genie (or weenie, in Obama’s case) is out of the bottle. Humpty Hussein Dumpty had a GREAT fall in front of 70 million onlookers and all the takers and fable makers can’t put him together again. HopeN’Change is over, folks, and it doesn’t matter what The One does in tonight’s debate. We’re looking at 1980 again – you can feel it in the air. And Mitt is on his way to a massive landslide victory!
So the DNC purchased a domain in order to keep Romney from purchasing it, and then played a joke. Imagine, the dems do have a sense of humor.
Dan
Timely post. You just missed the Gallup poll today that has RMONEY up 4. Thats FOUR!!!!
The RCP avg. should be about 1.5 after they deal with that. This may be a landslide for RMONEY.
the point sandi,
is that hillary apparantly HAD believed that the “buck stops in the oval office”, …except when obama is the occupant. no doubt, if SHE were potus, she wouldn’t accept her Secretary of State accepting responsibility for a buck which stops on the potus’ desk.
Nevertheless, she is prostrating HERSELF at the feet of obama, to shield him from the Libya-mess he might have thwarted IF HE’d ATTENDED MORE SECURITY BRIEFINGS. You know, he just might have asked a question or two which might have gotten others in the room…, well…, thinking some more. That’s what good leaders do, don’t they?
Yep, Hillary still sees that it’s her job (isn’t it always her job?)…to “protect” her man. Sad.
Nope, Terps. We all know Gallup is an organization run by racists. That’s why the White House has publicly called into question Gallup’s polling methodology at least twice over the past several months, even getting Gallup to alter their process. And yet, Romney remains. Interesting.
I was just going to post the same link as Mike Scott…hilarious!
Instead, here’s some good journalism (sorely missing from real news organizations these days) courtesy of Rolling Stone magazine:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/mitt-romney-s-tax-dodge-20121012
Frank, I think your metaphors are getting scrambled.
Marked Man…you are not unlike the other
slack jawed Foxers here…I think the Beatles
wrote a song about you all..”Twist and Shout”
I think it was.
#22 I told my wife the other day that unless something astounding happens, I think Obama will lose. Sad to say, but there it is. And I still hope to be proven a poor prognosticator.
Mind you, I’ve NEVER called Obama’s re-election anything like a lock or a certainty. I have no words to eat in that regard. I always knew it would be very close at best. In fact, I said long ago that Romney was the only primary candidate with a chance. I knew he could act moderate enough when he needed to while the others would probably stay insanely right wing and get trounced.
Mitt doesn’t have to address Hillary’s lie directly. All he has to do is scold the little boy for passing the buck on leadership and questioning the fairy tale he didn’t know it was a terrorist attack when everyone else did. Romney needs to give the manchild a lecture he’ll never forget.
But the release of two polls Monday showing Obama as the slight favorite (by 1 and 3 points) seem to suggest that his surge is subsiding.
Well, except two polls released today both have Mitt up by 4. But look, these little “surges” back and forth are fiction. The fact is, Romney has never trailed at any time. For the 90th time, he was never going to lose this election. It has never been close. People don’t jump back and forth on a whim like the polls suggest. As I have said dozens of times, the media has LIED about 0bama leading in order to influence early voting, discourage Republicans, and assist the Idiot in fundraising. They do it every cycle. Now that the election is near, these polling organizations know their numbers have to have at least remotely resemble of the actual result or else they lose all traces of credibility.
THE ELECTION WILL NOT BE CLOSE. ROMNEY WILL WIN IN A LANDSLIDE.
Look, people. Suzie has seen the future. The sooner you start listening, the sooner you’ll stop looking foolish.
The point, Frank, is that you do not have a point. Unless you or anyone else has proof that Obama or anyone in his office got the request for security, the messages that it had nothing to do with the protest earlier in the day in Cairo or similar proof, you are once again, shooting in the dark. Making accusations you cannot prove is not something you condone when it is done to a TP/R though is it? Odd, how you always have that big ole double standard. Hypocrite!
Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of State. It is her department. She does run it. She has been a really good and competent Secretary and this is a blight on the whole department and the administration.
If the nation wants to blame Obama, they will, your braying about his guilt here is not going to make that a reality though. With the exception of you “low effort” voters, the rest of the nation prefers to know someone has done something wrong before passing sentence.
Mind you, I’ve NEVER called Obama’s re-election anything like a lock or a certainty. I have no words to eat in that regard.
We know, Granddad. You’re the type that sits on the sidelines and takes shots at others who try. Typical liberal. You’re also wrong about the reason Romney won the primary. He won when he sounded conservative; not moderate. He beat Santorum and Bachmann because he had more money and a superior organization, not because his message was better-received than theirs.
anyone that calls Romney Rmoney is only showing how jealous they are of his $$$$$$$$$$$..lol too funny, and how childish..get a grip or a better job…..
Frank, give us the proof that the pleas for additional security in Libya made it to the White House. You got a link or something? Did the ambassador have Obama’s cell number in his mobile phone or something? Or did he report to the State Department — like every other ambassador?
Until then, all we have are your suspicions. And given the others you’ve outlined on this blog, those aren’t worth squat.
Gdad, I had faith in America, until more of them started showing up here. Now, I seriously wonder if half this nation could find their butt with both hands. We can only hope that most of the “low effort’ voters stay home. They always said we would be destroyed from within and this election might prove that right.
“But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.” -Sinclair Lewis
right sandi, all the marines and ambassadors are lying..sure, keep believing your king stupid, the entire freaking country knew what was going on, how come your king and his court didnt? I cannot believe how ignorant you are..
“anyone that calls Romney Rmoney is only showing how jealous they are of his $$$$$$$$$$$..lol too funny, and how childish..get a grip or a better job…..”
Yeah! (pammala might hire you at 7-Eleven).
#23 Frank, aren’t you the same person who said you had some sort of inside info about the ambassador being tortured and abused? Still waiting on that.
nope, not a chance, I have all the employees I need..and I only own 1 franchise and it isnt in Roanoke VA
LOOKING FOR a new job danny, I would NEVER hire you
#33 says pammalamadingdong after calling Obama all kinds of juvenile and obnoxious names. Hey, how you like all that government welfare money you soak up at “your” 7-Elevens?
making fun of my job are ya dannyboy, at least I’m not a small time news pimp working at a dying libbie rag
#32 Boy, suzie, you need to learn to read. Rmoney has grown more moderate acting for the PRESIDENTIAL election, NOT for the primary. The other primary candidates would have stayed insanely right-wing in the PRESIDENTIAL election and would have without question lost if they had been the candidate.
“You’re the type that sits on the sidelines and takes shots at others who try…”
Wait, so not declaring that Obama would definitely win easily when I knew he wouldn’t is sitting on the sidelines? Posting my opinion that this was a close race and that many, many months ago I thought Romney could beat Obama is sitting on the sideline? I was supposed to declare that Obama would win easily when I didn’t think he would?
That’s two really stupid comments in one post, troll.
#30 “People don’t jump back and forth on a whim like the polls suggest. ”
So even Fox was part of this conspiracy? How clever of them.
The Supreme Court goes against Republican Ohio voter suppression:
“The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected a last-gasp appeal by Ohio Republicans and approved early voting for Ohio residents on the weekend before Election Day.
Ohio’s Secretary of State John Husted had refused to enforce last week’s appellate court decision, in which a three-judge panel came down on the side of the Obama campaign and blocked a law that would have limited early voting.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/supreme-court-ohio-early-voting_n_1970603.html
The reason Repubs were against this voting is quite clear:
“Husted remained adamant that Ohioans should not be allowed to vote on that weekend, which was a prime voting period for minorities in the 2008 election.”
Mind you, they wanted the military to keep voting early because they tend to vote Repub. This was also where the Repubs LIED and tried to claim that Obama was attempting to limit military voting, when in fact all he wanted early voting opportunities for ALL.
Many other Rethug voter suppression efforts continue, but at least this one is kaput.
@34 – Prove the request didn’t make it to the White House. Maybe if Obama attended his daily intel briefings…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-obama-alone-this-president-does-not-need-intel-briefers/2012/09/13/c11e1a52-fda5-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html
This clown has been “present” his whole entire life. What a turd.
Hey Suzie
Where is the second poll that has Romney up 4?(I only saw Gallup.)
The news just keeps rolling on in. Even Rubio says there’s no hope for the Romney budget “plan,” such as it is.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/marco-rubio-mitt-romney-tax-plan_n_1970484.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
I wonder if pammalala takes SNAP at her store. Or sells lottery tickets.
Walker, Thiessen’s opinion is no kind of proof that the requests for additional security in Libya made it to the White House.
If it proves anything, it’s that Obama feels more comfortable reading than GWB did. At least, reading anything more advanced than, “My Pet Goat.”
@50 – I wasn’t trying to supply any proof. But it is proof that in the days before the attack, Obama wasn’t interested attending the briefings.
I’m sure if Obama were to read to children it would be “Everyone Poops.” Or then again, he may have Hilary read it.
Pammala, most of the comments you post seem to be written by someone with the IQ of a jelly doughnut. When you can consistently post comments yourself that aren’t childish, then you can legitimately call out others for their childish comments.
Wasn’t Frank the one who said (within a week or so of the tragedy in Libya) that the ambassador had been raped and tortured? I recall that one of the regressives on here definitely did, and never provided any substantiation when asked for it.
Okay Frank-yeah, you of the condom and inches obsessions-was the ambassador raped?
Hey Suzie
Where is the second poll that has Romney up 4?(I only saw Gallup.)
Public Policy Poll (PPP), Terps.
I don’t know Gdad and Suzi, I’m not convinced yet, unless the polls are and have been wrong. Now if Suzi is right and God I pray she is then my analysis is wrong and Mr. Romney will win in a landslide. I just don’t understand how anyone could support Obama. His Presidency has been one big failure after another. Mr. Romney has never failed at anything in his life and he has actually accomplished something. I don’t consider anything President Obama has done an accomplishment. I digress. The polls have Mr. Romney leading in Virginia 49% to 47% (13), North Carolina 51% 48% (15), Florida 51% 47% (29). Missouri 49% 46% (10). Nevada is a tie with 6 Electors. New Hampshire is a tie with 4 Electors. Mr. Romney has to win Ohio with its 18 Electors and Obama leads by 1% there. If Mr. Romney wins Ohio he has to win either Nevada or New Hampshire. Currently the only must win swing state Mr. Romney trails in is Ohio and that is only by 1%.
Should be very interesting a least he is making a race of it.
“I wasn’t trying to supply any proof.”
What’s new?
Our Oct. 16 presidential debate thread opens at 10 p.m. tonight.
So, Michael, answer the big question: How many ducks did you bag in the socialist hunting grounds of Canada?
I don’t understand how liberals can accept the actions of a “leader” who will allow (or request?) a subordinate to take blame for the boss’s ineptness. If this were a business, and the “boss” had a female “take the fall” for that which was his responsibility there would be a lawsuit.
But who can understand liberal politics?
If one only looks at the “timeline” it is easy to see that the “president” could have, or should have, been aware of the obvious potential dangers, and ensured protection of our diplomats even if they had not asked for it (which they did). The answer lies in only a few scenarios; ineptness, ignorance, uncaring or politics (or a combination of these).
Obama likes to credit himself that “osama is dead”; but takes no responsibility that “our citizens are dead”. Is that an acceptable definition of “liberal leadership”?
We limited this morning before 8:00 AM. We killed a lot of birds. Beautiful country more waterfowl than I have ever seen!
I think what mike O is getting at is George W. Bush should have accepted the blame for 9/11, the unconscionable invasion of Iraq, preceded by a cooked-up pretext for war, and a LOT of other STUFF!
Reuters; Obama gains for third straight day. Romney losing support among undecideds.
here we go!
kristen, soo, you caught the missing “r”. Good for you!
Sandi, Where, oh where, to begin? How about thusly: I don’t blame obama personally for the tragic Libya fiasco. I do blame his administration for the folowing:
1. they must have failed to recognize the warnings which Ambassadore Stevens wrote of in his personal diary.
2. they must have failed to report to the potus that the US Consulate in Benghazi had been attacked in April and June of this year (the June attack was “bigger” than April…and 9/11/12 was even larger…). If they HAD reported such things, surely he would have…asked a question or two about the safety of our Benghazi assets? Naaa.
3.they must have failed to report the terrorist attacks carried out at the British office in Benghazi, and the Red Cross office in Benghazi…both of which had since been closed… but our Consululate remained open… had the potus been involved in such a discussion, I can’t see him saying, “let’s LEAVE Benghazi unprotected”.
4. they must have believed… for some reason? what reason? …that after the above-referenced attacks, that Ambassador Stevens and his staff were certainly able to protect themselves. How high up in Clinton’s Sectretariat did knowledge of the previous terrorist attacks go?
5. Were the earlier terrorist attacks on OUR Consululate, the British Consulate, and the Red Cross office, all in Benghazi, …part of Obama’s security briefings? if the were, was he even in attendance? if he wasn’t there, were those seemingly reasonable things for a potus to know… given to him in writing?
6. Regardless of the above, the “other” issue is,
Why have both Obama and Clinton continued to blame the the “un-stable” American maker of a horrible film… for Steven’s death, and the deaths of the other Americans? He even told the WORLD that lie, during his UN speech. They kept up what we all know is a lie, for weeks after the testimony of others, and reports from even the main stream media, showed what they were selling to the world…was a lie. It was terrorists. Not a friggin filmmaker. Sheesh.
And…thus far, no one has been fired. That’s what I thin is the issue. Obama thinks that Americans should just go on about their business, he’s got it all under control. Yeah, tell that to the living four “assets” he forfeited in Benghazi on 9/11/12.
dano, well, ditto the above to sandi…,to you, as I don’t want to cross that ol’ “too repetitious” …line again. Before you begin with your next iv of kool-aid, please re-read the above points. The guy is in over his head, and the crew he has surrounded himself with can’t shoot straight. Just look at the record, and think of those four unprotected folks in Benghazi who got killed. And look at the record following…
Romney is coming in at the right time, just like Reagan did.
“…a “leader” who will allow (or request?) a subordinate to take blame for the boss’s ineptness.”
Two words, Scooter Libby. Thanks for playing!
Thighlary Clinton is such a doormat. Far from the strong ‘feminist’ she’s supposed to be. From Bubba’s bimbo eruptions in ’92, to Lewinsky, and now this. She has also been a proven lying sack of sh*t her whole career.
Supreme Court rejects Republican voter suppression in Ohio.
@64 “Two words, Scooter Libby. Thanks for playing!”–Comment by Art Hill
Touché
Somedays, I do not know whether to laugh or cry. Maybe it is not dishonesty but true delusions that lead the right wing in this nation.
Governor Romney will not win in anything resembling a landslide. Intelligent voters will not allow that atrocity. Speaking of what we “don’t understand” I cannot fathom how anyone except the wealthy and big business could support Romney. His failure is such that even after being their governor, he will lose Mass. You all made a big deal of that when Gore lost TN, but of course that is not to be considered.
Romney has managed to have a failsafe so that it appears he “never failed at anything”. What competition was there for him to get a good education? How hard did he have to work for political connections and money? Even his “crowning achievement” as a “businessman” carried a virtual guarantee.
What he has accomplished was a given for the people of his class and backing. That it receives more merit from some than the true achievements of President Obama is incredibly unfair but also incredibly telling.
Self respecting constitutionalists and those who truly hew to the founding fathers would never consider voting for a Plutocracy. Yet the right wing has done so and justified it for years.
Dan, re: 5:54
You would be correct, if 9/11 meant what it does now, and if airports had requested extra security. Then he should have accepted “responsibility”. (responsibility = something obama has never, and does not now, understand)
Nice try though….
You can’t make this stuff up with liberals….
Sandi’s newfound love term is “low effort” voters. I suppose she will blame any obama loss on these folk.
Meanwhile: Obama has lost 16 points among postgraduate educated voters and 24 points among college graduate voters (I suppose they were “hop”ing for jobs last election).
But the good news is that his support among those among sandi’s educational status remains strong an example is below:
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=obamaphone+video&mid=306B9F87190C01D53E04306B9F87190C01D53E04&view=detail&FORM=VIRE2
Mike O, you have GOT to be kidding??!?
Really? You lived through Nixon, Reagan, and Bush and you “don’t understand how liberals can accept the actions of a “leader” who will allow (or request?) a subordinate to take blame for the boss’s ineptness”? You have damned yourself with your own words.
As for your utterly ridiculous notion that “If this were a business, and the “boss” had a female “take the fall” for that which was his responsibility there would be a lawsuit”, that too is simply a joke. Two words, “plausible deniability”, no workplace operates without it. The CIA brought it into being back in the Kennedy administration and no political or business office has operated without it since. Rose Mary Woods, Archibald Cox, Fawn Hall, Ollie North, or Scooter Libby, ring any bells?
But who can understand liberal politics?
If one only looks at the evidence one wants to consider, Mother Teresa was a callous fiend who let poor people suffer and die instead of trying to alleviate their conditions. People like you burned witches, and they too claimed it was “easy to see”.
The reasons for your posts lie in only two scenarios; ignorance or politics.
“President Obama takes responsibility for the safety and security of all diplomats serving overseas,” said Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki on Fox News today.”
Yes, that is indeed a “liberal leader”. Unlike Bush, who never took responsibility for Iraq: “As president I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq. And I’m also responsible for fixing what went wrong by reforming our intelligence capabilities. And we’re doing just that.” Sounds to me like he is offering more than to just allow subordinates “to take blame for the boss’s ineptness”!
Frank, BULL! Nothing more is required.
Two more, Art:
Oliver North
Just exactly Dan how was President Bush responsible for 9/11? I’m not a huge fan of Mr. Bush but I certainly can’t blame him for 9/11.
hey art,
I’m with you on that. Exactly. Scooter should have been pardoned.
You evidently match obama’s ineptness for W’s. Why in the world would you do that?
Is THAT all you can bring yourself to think about NOW? …some knee-jerk reaction …to a Bush comparison? As though that helps YOUR guy appear all the smarter?
He’s in over his head, and his vp character is out somewhere burnishing his false teeth. sheesh.
I wonder if pammalala takes SNAP at her store. Or sells lottery tickets.
Comment by Kristen — October 16, 2012 @ 3:55 pm
what do you care you don’t believe me anyway with all your common person snide little comments…what trash
oh gdud you ignorant ass ..don’t you remember all the same kind of names you called Bush,, of course not, your little mind can’t handle but so much..and sandi’s can handle less, thoughts of doughnuts swirling in the air
“I wonder if pammalala takes SNAP at her store. Or sells lottery tickets.”
Comment by Kristen — October 16, 2012 @ 3:55 pm
“what do you care you don’t believe me anyway with all your common person snide little comments…what trash.”
Comment by pammala — October 16, 2012 @ 7:06 pm
Yes! She does . . . And she’s making a killing off it. pammala’s store is being subsidized by Obama! The ironies never end. LOL
“She has also been a proven lying sack of sh*t her whole career.”
I’d talk…
I have no doubt pammala is indeed a business owner. “…with all your common person snide little comments…” followed by “oh gdud you ignorant ass …your little mind can’t handle but so much..and sandi’s can handle less, thoughts of doughnuts swirling in the air“. No, you truly cannot make this stuff up!
“I have no doubt pammala is indeed a business owner. i…with all your common person snide little comments…’ followed by ‘oh gdud you ignorant ass …your little mind can’t handle but so much..and sandi’s can handle less, thoughts of doughnuts swirling in the air’. No, you truly cannot make this stuff up!”
we should give pammala a break. She’s an elite business owner, and she spends her days at the convenience store telling people “No, dearie, you cannot by cigs and beer with SNAP cards. How about a Big Bite and some Doritos? Or a Slurpee?”
It must be frustrating, for sure.
“I certainly can’t blame him for 9/11.
“Bin Laden determined to strike the US.”
On yet another note, how did you manage to smuggle all those dead waterfowl across the border?
we should give pammala a break. She’s an elite business owner, and she spends her days at the convenience store telling people “No, dearie, you cannot by cigs and beer with SNAP cards. How about a Big Bite and some Doritos? Or a Slurpee?”
It must be frustrating, for sure.
Three decades ago when I worked at a small-town 7-11, our manager made $28K.
I suspect a 7-11 manager in a mid-sized city today earns more than a metro columnist for a mid-sized newspaper.
What we did not eat we cleaned, bagged and gave away. We are bringing no birds home.
Actually does anyone remember the questioning of Col. North by Senator Gore concerning Osama Bin Laden?
“I suspect a 7-11 manager in a mid-sized city today earns more than a metro columnist for a mid-sized newspaper.”
Successful call girls earn way more than me, too.
What’s your point?
Michael, perhaps you have forgotten:
On Aug. 6, 2001, while he was on vacation at his ranch in Crawford, Tex., GWB got a CIA briefing on a memo titled, “Bin Laden determined to attack in U.S. Here is one graf from that memo:
“Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.”
The point is, there is no evidence that Obama was ever briefed on security concerns at the Libyan embassy. I’d bet you that Terps’ brother in law, who actually worked in State Department Security, would tell you that something like this would be unlikely to ever make it to the White House. (But maybe Terps’ should make that call and find out and report back on what his BIL says about that).
But there is proof that Bush DID get such a briefing — and that it went NOWHERE. He shrugged it off. Maybe he had wood to chop or a mountain bike ride to go on. Whatever. . . we know what happened one month and 5 days later.
Good one Dan we laughed about that one in Canada
“…reporter Kurt Eichenwald writes of the presidential briefings that came before the well-known August 6 warning “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.,” concluding that “the administration’s reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed.” That included a warning from the CIA on May 1 that “a group presently in the United States” was planning to strike and one on June 22 that an attack could be “imminent.”
As the 9/11 Commission noted, “There were more than 40 intelligence articles in the PDBS [Presidential Daily Briefings] from January 21 to September 11 that related to Bin Laden.” In a section of the report called “The Drumbeat Begins,” the Commission highlights a late June briefing that alerts to the “high probability of near-term ‘spectacular’ terrorist attacks resulting in numerous casualties … including a ‘severe blow’ against U.S. and Israeli ‘interests’ during the next two weeks.” But whereas the Commission report describes the threat of attacks worldwide, Eichenwald’s exclusive intel specifically cites a domestic threat, one with “dramatic consequences.”
However, as Eichenwald writes, the administration was much more concerned with Iraq:”
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/bush-administration-ignored-september-11-warnings.html
If you want to talk about someone ignoring clear and present danger warnings, you want to talk about Bush. Only you right wingers don’t. You want to pretend the Consulate attack is on the same level with 9/11/01. Dream on.
hey sandi,
don’t despair so much. think how BORING this blog might be if everyone thought like….you. We don’t want a boring blog. Sheesh! You think the world is flat, I think it is more roundie/pearie shaped. so what?
you can’t stand Bush. I can’t stand obama’s policies. So what?
Seriously Michael H, …http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/warned-about-bin-laden/
“We are bringing no birds home.”
Lighten up, Michael. I enjoy giving you a hard time, it’s way too easy.
What’s your point?
The point is you belittled the duties of a 7-11 manager, and she’s likely more successful than you. Besides, your occupation is closer to that of a call girl than Pammala’s.
Michael,
I believe you are confusing Osama bin Laden with Abu Nidal. Typical right-wing misinformation.
When North was testifying in Congress, bin Laden was a “freedom fighter” working with us in Afghanistan.
#83 I suspect you’d be be wrong once again, troll. No surprise there. It’s a simple thing to google the salary of a store manager.
#76 Of course pammalamadingdong is happy to take that gummint money. It’s probably a fair percentage of her gross. You can tell be her childish overreaction.
#77 Tell me what names I called Bush, pammie, other than Shrub, which really doesn’t mean anything other than a play on his last name. Go ahead. But provide some proof of those names. Don’t just make it up out of thin air — like you’re doing now.
I predict the sound of crickets.
Re: Comment by Suzie — October 16, 2012 @ 8:45 pm
“she’s likely more successful than you.”
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How do you define “success.”
Is an underpaid fireman who save a life more or less successful than a corporate raider who gets rich creating unemployment?
Is a celibate Saint saving souls, feeding the poor, caring for the sick etc while living in poverty more or less successful than a receptionist that gets rich marrying the boss?
Is an opinion writer who challenges folk to actually think more or less successful than a blogger who turns folk off with a string of narcissistic unsupported claims, which scream that that individual is excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy / inadequacy, power, prestige and vanity?
#83 I suspect you’d be be wrong once again, troll. No surprise there. It’s a simple thing to google the salary of a store manager.
Notice Granddad didn’t and couldn’t disprove anything or even say anything. No numbers. Just his usual whining accusations.
“How do you define “success?”
Is an underpaid fireman who save a life more or less successful than a corporate raider who gets rich creating unemployment?”
Simple, Dave Hicks. Suze is saying that a whore is more successful than an EMT. The whore may not save as many lives, but she makes more money by spreading her legs. In Suze’s final reckoning, that’s the only score.
That’s one point of view.
Perhaps Suze will call a whore if hubby is ever displaying signs of a heart attack. But for his sake, I hope not.
No problem Art, we decided nit to bring any birds back because its a real pain. Plus flying with shotguns us bad enough not to mention checking a cooler with ducks and geese. You are allowed to bring a days limit of each bird and you gave to leave one wing attached. Too much of a pain. Dan I saw the interview the other day I will find it. Plus President Clinton could have had him killed and didn’t
#99 I’ll let you google the average salary of a store manager yourself. I’m not doing your homework for your lazy ass. I also know what I made at the RT about 30 years ago and while it wasn’t making me rich, it was more than your imaginary store manager from 30 years ago. It’s a safe bet that a columnist 23 years after that is making more than the average 7-Eleven store manager salary I found. If not, then Landmark has gotten really, really cheap.
As I said, once again you’re wrong.
“The point is you belittled the duties of a 7-11 manager,”
Look. Even Screwzie doesn’t believe pammalapdog owns the 7-11. She referred to her as the manager. Owner…manager…either one will never make it to Screwzie’s 1% club, so she’s not an achiever.
But let’s be real: pammalapdog doesn’t own jack, and her own mother had to get free meds from pharmaceutical companies.
Just out of curiosity:
Do franchisees count as business people who ‘built it all by themselves’?
Interesting question, Contra. Maybe when they’ve paid back their US GOVERNMENT BACK SBA LOANS they are!
Anyway, doesn’t she claim to be an “owner”, not a manager?
Re: Comment by Kristen — October 17, 2012 @ 11:17 am
I believe so.
However to support Contrasuzie’s point old Rants & Raves (w/ lies) appears not to believe pammala — for what ever either Rants & Raves (w/ lies) or pammala opinions are worth.
Obama won the 7-11 poll, that must have frosted her.
http://www.inquisitr.com/359972/7-11-cup-poll-pegs-obama-as-likely-winner/
The world view of a Plutocrat and what they consider success is just plain sad.
Re: Comment by Sandi Saunders — October 17, 2012 @ 3:45 pm
Particularly given the quote:
“Polling is a serious science, and 7-11 is in no way, shape or form endorsed by political scientists as a valid method of gauging the sentiment of any one electorate. That said, the 7-11 coffee cup poll has correctly predicted the winner of the last three elections. [emphasis added]“
#99 BTW, note that suzie didn’t prove anything or provide any numbers, — except one she made up out of thin air, supposedly from 30 years ago. And then she complains when I allegedly do the same (except my post is backed up by googling today’s 7-11 salary). What a whiner.
a corporate raider who gets rich creating unemployment?
That doesn’t exist in the real world, Dave H. Just in your leftwing fantasyland. Stop being a griping negative old man who’s jealous of everything and everybody. Just like Dan is so jealous of Pammala’s success, he has to belittle her and make comparisons to call girls.
Seriously, liberals are the most jealous, miserable people on earth.
#100 Dan,
“Perhaps Suze will call a whore if hubby is ever displaying signs of a heart attack. But for his sake, I hope not.”
Comment by Dan Casey — October 16, 2012 @ 11:46 pm
For the love of God please reconsider this sentiment. After all this poor sap’s had to put up with during his miserable existence the least he deserves is a pleasant sendoff. God and Baby Jesus both morn that that fateful morning about 30 years ago when the newly minted Mr. Hubster awoke with a blinding hangover in a cheap Vegas flop house and mumbled the immortal words; “I did WHAT last night?”
Cut a brother a break, Dan, and cross your fingers that this long suffering slap monkey will be able to escape the earthly bounds of mortal life with the ol’ ball chain with a richly deserved smile on his face.
The sad glimpses into the world Suzie believes she lives in can be demoralizing. Of course “a corporate raider who gets rich creating unemployment exists in the real world, and everyone except you, apparently knows it.
The world of leveraged buy out, liquidation companies that literally specialize in just that, not only exists, it has made many ugly. greedy people very wealthy and powerful. Pointing out facts is not comparable to the rightwing fantasyland you live in, but it is real.
So if you and pammala being griping, negative, insulting shrews means you are just “jealous of everything and everybody”, please try to improve and enrich your own lives and leave us alone. By your own stated standards, you are so jealous of my successful, creative, intelligent, well liked self that you have “to belittle” and “make comparisons to” all sorts of offensive things and people. You two, along with lower case matt, prove daily that conservative right wingers “are the most jealous, miserable people on earth”.
You tell on yourselves, not us.