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So let’s hear your analysis of the Oct. 16 debate, gonzo’s.
Did the president redeem himself?
Or did Mitt deliver the coup de grace?
Is the race back on?
Be objective (as always!).
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Forget the stage, Romney is the least Presidential person in the room! What a putz! His lying is cranked up again and his overbearing, determined to bull his way through style is as off-putting as his lack of real plans. LOSER!
Two minutes a topic ain’t worth jack. Each debate should be based on 1 topic and there should be 30 of them. It’s like the ads gone and extra minutes. America lost tonight.
You wonder about bullying as well in our schools? Look at the politicians and this blog. Good luck America. Good luck. And Godspeed. Can I even say that anymore?
Obama is ruling the stage. He’s taking it to Romney, and Romney is losing it.
So far, Obama is hitting his marks a little better and delivering his gotchas better than Romney. Romney has some excellent points, but isn’t winning on style. Obama, of course can’t touch the deficit or his own record with a ten foot pole. Unfortunately, content is irrelevant.
Here goes an emotional justification for more gun laws….. sigh.
Obama is telling us the “Assault Weapon Ban” is coming back right here. Color me surprised…..
Romney gave a crock of an answer to the AWB in his state, for sure. There is NO pro-gun rights candidate in this race.
It’s clear Obama won tonight. Romney should have saved his lies and distortions for later.
#2 “And Godspeed. Can I even say that anymore?”
Why wouldn’t you be able to?
Oh, I see, I see, it’s another stupid play on that right-wing lie that liberals want to outlaw religion.
I didn’t watch the debate, but I gather from the comments that Obama won.
Romney won hands down. Obama’s poor record as president and his failures to live up to his campaign promises make this a one term proposition.
Romney has content…Obama was supposed come back after the 1st PD, he did it but sadly he has no clear policies which increase the economic growth…simply put Obama is using his vocal capabilities to defend himself and allure voters…Nothing to make America the nation it once was
Axelrod on msnbc 15 minutes after debate with full reign. Not bias at all.
6.It’s clear Obama won tonight. Romney should have saved his lies and distortions for later.
Comment by Dan Casey — October 16, 2012 @ 10:42 pm
Despite Candy trying to protect him. . .Obama lost. . .on jobs, economy,
Libya, and appearance. . .stutter, lie, blame is Obama’s game and it’s lame. I look forward to a Romney administration and a DOJ that will get
to the bottom of Fast & Furious, Solyndra, the GM bailout. . .we have a
new Federal prison in IL to fill.
Obama a knockout in the last round.
Obama gained with women, immigrants and created a future vision of our economy that Romney just couldn’t match. One thing I picked up on was that Romney explained the top bracket would still pay 60% of the federal taxes. He then said taxes would go down for the middle class. So. If taxes go down for the middle class, common sense says taxes go down for the top rate even though the percentages stay the same. Nobody bought Romneys lie.
Libya backfired big time on Romney. I actually felt the crowd turn on Romney when he claimed Obama did not use the words terrorist attack the next day after the attack. Romney got fact checked on the spot and the crowd was happy to give the bully Romney his comeuppance.
Obama took Romneys 100% remark in his closing and turned it into the 47% debacle for Romney.
Romney down for the count.
Romneys indictment on Obama record after the African american’s question was monster. Straight rained down on the president for 2 minutes, on that alone Obama lost. He has nothing on his own record, he beats himself.
Romney took the first hour when everybody was watching. He buried 0bama by recounting his failures. Mitt missed a big opportunity on Libya. Lord have mercy, he should have slammed the hell out of the idiot on his weak leadership. 0bama didn’t answer the question asked of him “Who made the decision not to fortify the embassy?” And Mitt should have pounded him on that.
Overall, Romney won because he had the issues on his side and 0bama has the poor record he couldn’t defend, but it wasn’t as convincing a victory as it should have been. Santorum or Bachmann would have done much better. I was disappointed Mitt accepted the premise of a Bush failure. He should have explained the exact causes of the financial meltdown. That’s where a true conservative would have knocked it out of the park.
Nothing to make America the nation it once was
Comment by raj — October 16, 2012 @ 10:53 pm
an interesting comment in light of the confidence international investors have in our economy that is driving their investment in the U.S. stock market and bond market.
Again, no real winners. Until we get back to Constitutional principles, we all lose.
These debates only serve to reinforce choices already made. Mitt had my vote 4 years ago. If only Huckabee and McCain didn’t make a corrupt bargain, the USA would have seen a good recovery under President Romney.
Romney won hands down. Obama’s poor record as president and his failures to live up to his campaign promises make this a one term proposition.
Bingo, Mike 2. Mitt scored big when he recounted the broken promises. That was probably the biggest riff of the debate. 0bama cannot win any of the debates no matter how good his style is because of his horrible record. it’s the lipstick and pig thing.
For a while I was waiting for the announcer to say…
“Let’s Get Ready to Rumble!!!”
Additionally, I was disappointed that Obama didn’t respond more than once that his inability to get some things done was caused by the refusal of Republicans to even consider cooperation on any attempts to solve the problems we faced.
Leon,
Candy put Obama in his place, too. But from your perspective, I’m sure it seemed bad, and I understand.
The Mittster has a one-point plan: trust me, elect me!
That dog won’t hunt.
Romney wants to start a trade war with China on day one. He’s out there, but I’ll cut him some slack if he’ll send me a “binder full of women”.
Advantage Obama!
Hillary 2016
Candy put Obama in his place
Apparently not. He got three more minutes than Romney.
Romney won..You can’t debate a poor record!
The president will face a whirlwind on his lie/stretch of truth on act of terror. In the long run this debate will be a loss for the president.
Obama by a landslide. Romney loses on ideas. He’s not trustworthy or presidential. He’s too much like CEOs I worked with on leveraged buyouts during the 1980s. He’s used to saying anything to close the deal , irregardless of the facts. Getting in Obama’s face was unpatriotic – no respect for the office. It really explains his unpatriotic behavior during the Libya crisis. And the Libya excahnge – I know more about the facts than Romney. He is not ready to be the commander in chief.
@6. I’m glad Obama had a better showing for your sake Dan. I was rather embarrassed for you during the last debate when after only 30 minutes you were so dismayed at your futile attempts during your play by play posts to pump up Obama’s performance that you gave up to regroup and waited for your next marching orders.
The debate tonight was back to the norm, both sides claiming a win and each candidate spewing their talking points.
Mitt just kept repeating, “I have a 5 or 4 or 3 or 2 point plan to deal with that.” or he said “I’ve been in business for my entire adult life. I know how to create jobs.” Never did I hear him say anything about what those 5 or 4 or 3 or 2 points were. Nor did I hear him say how the ideas he learned during his career in business would be applied to create jobs. Additionally, I didn’t hear Mitt say much about how he would cut all those taxes, spend all that money on defense, not reduce benefits in Medicare & Social Security, reduce those tax expenditures but still balance the budget. Sounded like …”my check’s in the mail & I’ll respect you in the morning.”
Jack J Maniscalco:
17.”Again, no real winners. Until we get back to Constitutional principles, we all lose.”
Exactly. Ignoring our Constitutional principles and oaths of offices are the ultimate example of not following the directions and wondering why things aren’t going well.
Mitt also won big on immigration, pointing out 0bama didn’t even bring up an immigration bill after promising to do so in the first year and having a lopsided Congress to help him do it. Big points there.
I’m still getting a big Obama win.
@ron may…quantitaive easing and Double downgrade of Treasury..It is clearly not working…Im Indian currently in U.S..I always admired America for being the best country in the world…Future looks different..if Obama wins
Try as hard as you may try, you cannot paint a rosy picture of oil prices, bad economy, misfires on forwign policy, dead soldiers and a dead diplomat, cover-ups one after another, military apprehending of citizens on domestic soil, gun running to drug lords, gun running to islamic terrorists, nationalizing a major automobile manufacturer,,,,,,,,,hmmmmmm, just joking, I was describing Russia. All the fancy rhetoric by the emporer cannot dismiss his record and his intent. Romney won simply by being a patriotic citizen and speaking the truth like a true leader should speak.
Obama four minute advantage. Result: Romney won and will gain in the polls as a result
I dont think either of them can resurrect the nation’s glory any time soon..but I think Romney has the right perspective for growth..
Suzie: “Overall, Romney won because he had the issues on his side and 0bama has the poor record he couldn’t defend, but it wasn’t as convincing a victory as it should have been.”
Which, in the real world, means a clear and convincing win for Obama on all counts.
“Getting in Obama’s face was unpatriotic – no respect for the office. It really explains his unpatriotic behavior during the Libya crisis.”
Teresa,
Mitt was just playing to his base on that one — the base that believes Obama’s presidency is illegitimate, and that, truly, Obama deserves nothing but contempt. A few of those creeps would like to harm him.
You’re right, tho, in the big picture it will hurt Mitt.
Oooh. Three more minutes. Out of 90. If that’s enough to make a difference, then Romney deserved to lose. Actually, he deserved to lose anyway, because most of his responses were lies. It was so great to see Candy call him on the lie about the terror attack quote from the president. That, Mitt, is what happens when you get all your news from Faux, you don’t understand what actually happened.
Must be why Suzie is at such a loss, as well.
Ron, how did the “constitutional” stuff play in the Ohio Senate debate? We’re all anxious to know!
Obama nailed Romney to the wall on the lack of specifics on his tax cut. The fact is that Romney has specific cuts worth $5 trillion, and his specific offsets for that are near zero. That’s when Romney lost the debate, and it went downhill from there for the poor guy.
raj,
Tell us what Romney’s going to do better, and how. He won’t.
Mitt just kept repeating, “I have a 5 or 4 or 3 or 2 point plan to deal with that.” or he said “I’ve been in business for my entire adult life. I know how to create jobs.” Never did I hear him say anything about what those 5 or 4 or 3 or 2 points were.
He enumerated them in the first ten minutes. He didn’t feel the need to repeat them every time. Only the Oprah watchers would need that.
Obama won! Romney needs to return to the training room and learn the meaning of “TRUTH” ~ Obama called Romney on integrity ,and he lost miserably ~ We pray…………
Which, in the real world, means a clear and convincing win for Obama on all counts.
Rad, you know damn well Romney hammered the big-eared little boy on his failed record and broken promises. You aren’t one of those nuts who’s trying to convince people the economy doesn’t suck, are you?
Suzie: “Overall, Romney won because he had the issues on his side and 0bama has the poor record he couldn’t defend, but it wasn’t as convincing a victory as it should have been.”
Dan Radmacher: Which, in the real world, means a clear and convincing win for Obama on all counts.
When you read the above, keep in mind that Suzie is liable to phone a call girl (or maybe a 7-Eleven manager) rather than an ambulance if hubby ever has chest pains, because the whore (and the 7-Eleven manager) earn more than the EMT, and thus they are more more “successful.”
Perhaps a Big Bite can bring a guy back, eh?
So Suzie claims Mitt let Obama get 3 more minutes, and Maloof claims Mitt let Obama get 4 more minutes.
Does it mean he let Obama walk all over him?
Should Obama be keeping time for Mitt, as well as for himself?
Is Mitt that big of a loser?
Just curious. . .
Let me explain it this way, people. No matter how much 0bama interrupts or lies or does whatever the libs call “style” points, he can’t win any of these debates because of his record. It’s like trying to write a scientific journal article on winning roulette. There is just no way to do it because the premise is flawed.
So Suzie claims Mitt let Obama get 3 more minutes, and Maloof claims Mitt let Obama get 4 more minutes.
Does it mean he let Obama walk all over him?
Should Obama be keeping time for Mitt, as well as for himself?
Is Mitt that big of a loser?
Just curious. . .
No, it means Crowley gave him more time. BTW, did you all hear 0bama cry and complain to Candy “Enforce the rules!”. Jeez. What a crybaby
Say goodnight, Mitt.
@Dan Casey..”tell us”?…K..to begin with..
1. Obama is just defending about growth in jobs..Romney thinks Job creation is the key..which I think is true
2. Obama showed no signs of changing or altering his strategies which are clearly not working..It would have been better if Obama has new plans to grow..For me looks like he’s just heading North believing that he’s going south, and an other 4 years in the same direction is not good
3. I think small business tax cut is good idea
4. Manipulating economy by Quantitaive easing is purely not the right approach
I understand that Romney’s plan are abstract..but if he can bring them to the real world somehow..they have potential
Suzie: The economy is so much better now than it was when Bush left the White House with his tail between his legs that it isn’t even funny. Anyone who pretends differently is a liar or a fool, or both. We’ve made enormous strides in the last four years, and only a fool would want to take us back to the policies that brought us to the precipice of disaster in 2008.
Can you honestly say the economy sucks worse now than it did in January in 2009? If so, are you a fool, a liar, or both?
@suzie ..”premise is flawed”..absolutely correct
By the way, I’m pretty sure that Romney interrupted more (and damn sure that he lied more) than Obama. But I know he didn’t earn more style points or convince anyone that his failing record as Governor of Massachusetts would be any reason to vote for him again. The people of Massachusetts sure as hell don’t want him back in office.
Charles Krauthammer even said on points Obama wins…. Fox News was a disheveled mess until they got to Hannity.
“By the way, I’m pretty sure that Romney interrupted more (and damn sure that he lied more) than Obama. But I know he didn’t earn more style points or convince anyone that his failing record as Governor of Massachusetts would be any reason to vote for him again. The people of Massachusetts sure as hell don’t want him back in office.”
The above is true. But there were two points in the debate when Romney hit his stride and began sounding like Reagan. And those points worry me greatly, because he is very appealing to folks who don’t know better when he does that. The guy’s a liar, a distorter, and a serial flip-flopper with no values except his one-point-plan: trust me and elect me.
“No, it means Crowley gave him [Obama] more time.”
Poor Mitt. Apparently he let a woman walk all over him on prime-time TV. Is that his strategy to erode Obama’s lead on the women’s vote?
Apparently, Crowley was NOT in the binders full of women Mitt had delivered to him.
WTF?
Maybe my favorite part was how Rmoney lamely tried to say his policies are any different than Bush’s because “times are different” (since 2008). Then on the very next question, he said his policies would work because it’s similar to when Reagan became president (1981). So, Rmoney would have you believe that things today are a lot more like they were thirty-one years ago than four years ago.
Cue the stupidest of regressives to try to make the case that they are.
Despite the GOP ringer planted in the audience Obama blew Romney out of the water on the Libya “issue.” The president’s obvious anger at those who would make political hay out of the deaths of “my people” knocked Mitt on his heels. The stunned look of confusion was priceless.
Here is an analysis of the debate question about guns. Link referenced in the latest VCDL VA-ALERT:
http://monachuslex.com/?p=2161
We shall see Dan we shall see. How anyone cab support the President after his complete first term failure is beyond me. Four more years of this? Really? Although it goes to show Mr. Romney is right about 47% he should have also said they are neither well educated or very smart.
Nice to see the president admit he was responsible. Two weeks later after Clinton comes out and admits it. Too bad he twisted the truth immensely (factcheck.org). That is not leadership, owning responsibility only because the light was shown on the truth and others are falling on the sword before you.
Dan R
The housing bust was brought in by many factors a few of which were, irresponsible lenders, irresponsible borrowers and Barney Franks just to name a few. The country is in much worse shape if you consider the opourtinity cost of time. Plus look at the debt and gas prices to name a few. r. Obama’s liberal policies sply don’t work. Obma care scared the hell out of most all the emplyeers I kmow. It will be jorruable for business. Plus Obama has no plan and he has never done anything of importance in his life. Mr. Romney on the other hand has made a.lot of money and built successful business. I put my money on a business man over a community organizer any dsu of the week.
Excuse typos in line at airport flying home.
raj,
In my view, Mitt Romney & his Republican colleagues want to take this country back to what it was in the last half of the 19th century. That’s not a place where you nor I want to go.
The U.S. is, in my view, the greatest country in the world. Despite its current challenges, it is a country in which you, as an immigrant, can come and prosper. It is a country to which you can come and live in freedom unlike most of the rest of the world.
I wish you well and hope that you are able to stay in the U.S. and participate in the growth and development we will see with the re-election of Pres. Obama.
Suzie: The economy is so much better now than it was when Bush left the White House with his tail between his legs that it isn’t even funny. Anyone who pretends differently is a liar or a fool, or both. We’ve made enormous strides in the last four years, and only a fool would want to take us back to the policies that brought us to the precipice of disaster in 2008.
Can you honestly say the economy sucks worse now than it did in January in 2009? If so, are you a fool, a liar, or both?
Yes. The economy is worse than in January, 2009. There are fewer people working today than were working then, despite the population being eight million greater today. 0bama’s chicanery in dropping the long-term unemployed off the rolls does not lower the rate. So now the rate is nearly 11% compared to the 6.8% on Election Day, 2008. Gas prices have more than doubled since then. Worker income has dropped. Savings have dropped. Net worth has dropped.
But if you take it back two years earlier when the Democrats including 0bama took over Congress, the economy has been wrecked even further. The DJIA isn’t even within 500 of it’s 2007 high where Bush had it.
Rad, you can’t point to ANY measure in which the economy is better than when the Democrats wrecked it in 2007-2008. Trying to tell folks not to believe their lying eyes doesn’t change that.
Ron, how did the “constitutional” stuff play in the Ohio Senate debate? We’re all anxious to know!
Comment by Dan Casey — October 16, 2012 @ 11:41 pm
Dan,
I know that I am getting older, but I don’t know how to respond to this comment. I guess I must have forgotten something.
I will say that the questions were fair. Actually nearly every questioner ripped 0bama’ s record. It was a pretty accurate gauge of how folks are feeling.
Mitt had all the memorable hits, but he missed some opportunities. Candy Crowley screwed him when she stuttered and misspoke on 0bama’s lie that he called Benghazi a terrorist attack the day after. She was affirming Romney’s account was correct, , but left the impression she agreed with 0bama who did NOT call it a terrorist attack. Anyhow, that knocked Romney off stride and ruined the point he was about to make. Romney also lost the opportunity to nail 0bama on circus clown Biden’s comment that the administration wasn’t told. A lost opportunity to bury the little big-eared SOB on his failed leadership. Fortunately, that was at 10:15 when no one was watching.
Romney not only lost the debate, he looked small, angry, aggressive and offensive in doing so. He disrespected the questions, the truth, the moderator and the President. Small. He is not fit to lead and he is not worthy of being called President. When he loses, you just remember his behavior last night. Small. Finally, he has met something money cannot buy him.
Anyhow, to summarize, Girl’s prediction was right on the mark. I said if Idiot Boy showed any pulse at all, he would be declared the winner by the left. The script was written days ago. Now it’s their job to push this false narrative and then adjust their own polls to “reflect” it. Meanwhile nothing will have changed in reality. Romney is winning has he has been for months. He will now outspend the idiot 5 to 1 in all the battleground states with his vast cash reserves down the home stretch as he cruises in to victory. Very well-planned, very well-organized. He’ll bring those skills to the presidency.
You people, like your candidates Romney/Ryan, can lie about Obama’s “failed” record as much as you like, and yes, the “low effort voters” will indeed fall for it. Your problem is, there are not enough of them.
If an unbiased person looked at where we were when the economy crashed and where we are now, they would be amazed we have come so far. NO ONE can make it all whole because the nature of a bubble is that things were ARTIFICIALLY INFLATED. It was a house of cards and when it blew, it took it all down and we started over. You all seem to need to forget that in your demonization of Obama, but America knows that truth.
We also know that Wall Street has been screwing the workers and the middle class in this nation for well over 3 decades and a Wall Street vulture will not sit in our White House!
National Review calls it a draw — which means Obama “wins” (whatever that is).
#56 BTW, NR also said Romney was quite shaky on foreign policy.
I loved it when Mitt said his plan for Detroit was the same as Obama’s.
obama to Mitt…’Mine’s’ not as big as yours.
#50 “If so, are you a fool, a liar, or both?”
I vote for both. We’ve certainly proven “her” to be a liar multiple times.
obama appeared as if he was trying to smooth things over after the first debate debacle. Mitt seemed too aggressive at times.
The main thing we all learned from the 3 debates so far… that the Dems seem to look to the moderator a LOT for help/rescue/life jacket whenever they get directly asked a question by Romney or Ryan or whoever that they cannot answer or do not want to answer. Seems if they were real leaders, they would take the time to honestly answer a question that another American citizen is asking them.
Sorry, Ron — I meant Indiana Senate debate. Wasn’t there one of those recently, in which the Democrat predicted his state wasn’t so stupid that it would vote for Mourdock?
Good answer, Ron. At least you didn’t look to a moderator to save you from Dan’s question and you answered honestly. obama would have done well to simply say, “I dont know how to respond. I must have forgotten something.”
Check the transcript, Suzie!
I doubt that stings Suze as much as it did Mitt.
Candy won…since she wouldn’t let them elaborate on anything. No good substance from either candidate because they kept getting cut off.
one thing that gets lost in all the lying….posturing….and other circus like parts of this campaign is this……Obama is the President…..he has served for four years…had a lot of successes and some failures…..he has a record…..in my view this country is safer than when he took office….in my view the economy is better than when he took office…..though it is recovering more slowly than i like….Romney is a wanna-be….he also has a record…..that record in my view is not good…..and when he speaks of foreign policy…..i fear he will lead us to more conflicts where we have to put soldiers in danger in foreign countries…..and i as a retired senior citizen take offense at his statement that i am a dependent…..i earned every benefit i receive…..has he ever earned anything by the sweat of his brow and the use of hands blistered by hard work…..no i do not think he has
#69 “Anyhow, to summarize, Girl’s prediction was right on the mark.”
If this were true, you wouldn’t have to declare it to be so numerous times. Because you keep bringing it up, we know it isn’t true.
Just like it isn’t true that the MSM has attacked coaches K or Boeheim, or that the 10 Commandments case became a major election issue, or … well, no need to go on.
Sandi..that is your biased view. Both looked angry, both were testosterone freaks, neither appealed to women swing voters. You see what the CBS Undecided’s said? Not overwhelming like you liberals like to think. You are just too excited Obama didnt get stomped this time. I remember last debate you said Obama won..heeeehheeee.
CBS POLL OF UNDECIDED:
37% OBAMA
30% ROMNEY
33% TIE
Even as a conservative, I can say yes..this is pretty accurate.
“If an unbiased person looked at where we were when the economy crashed and where we are now, they would be amazed we have come so far.”
hmm..
—12 million MORE on food stamps
—SAME unemployment rate
—5,000,000 more women out of work
Sounds like things are going much better Sandi!
If an unbiased person looked at where we were when the economy crashed and where we are now, they would be amazed we have come so far.
That’s just a ridiculous statement when so many more are unemployed and earnings and savings have gone to hell.
From the CNN poll:
According to the survey, Obama had a 47%-41% edge on which candidate was more likeable. But on some key issues, Romney came out on top, including an 18-point lead on the economy.
Romney had a 49%-46% edge on which candidate seemed to be the stronger leader and 45%-43% margin on who answered questions more directly, while Obama had a 44%-40% advantage on which man seemed to care more about the audience members who asked questions.
Over 60% said obama did not clearly lay out a plan for the economy.
the debate can best be described as a tie. One-quarter of debate-watchers said the event made them more likely to vote for Obama, and an equal amount said it made them more likely to vote for Romney. Half said it would have no effect on their vote.
The sample of debate-watchers in this poll was 33% Democratic and 33% Republican.
Check the transcript, Suzie!
I did. 0bama never called the Benghazi attack a terrorist attack. He blamed the video.
Besides Mitt’s wanting to get the little woman home in time to cook dinner, perhaps Mitt’s gift of wisdom to us was his chant in the background near the end of the debate. Mitt’s whole premise in the debate was that if we elect him to lead the government, he will create more jobs than Obama. His vast experience with the Utah Olympics will magically provide him the knowledge as President to put people back to work. That as the head of government, Mitt has the answers to all the unemployment woes. As President Mitt can lower gas prices and with binders full of women fixing dinner all will be well with the Country. After 90 minutes of Mitt telling us how as head of government he can do what Obama hasn’t; he chants three times “Government does not create jobs. Government does not create jobs. Government does not create jobs.”
Mitt is such a conflicted individual he argues with himself. As head of government I can create more jobs than Obama; wait, no, government can’t create jobs; no, no; Mitt can do it; no, no. The answer to Mitt’s conundrum is simply Mitt is so tied up in his I’m a right winger, no I’m a moderate that he has no clue what he is and clearly has no clue how to accomplish anything but to insult our intelligence.
whew! after the absolute a–whooping the bamster received from Mitt last debate, at least his handlers got him to show up this time. Score: Romney 2 – obuma 0.
What I’ll enjoy over the ensuing weeks will be the bamster’s wiggling on Benghazi…kinda like a red worm after it’s been put on a fish hook. Even tho crowley had to throw him a false rescue line…the story will continue to unfold. drip, drip, drip…., drip.
“Binder of Women”, is that a Mormon Polygamist figure of speech?
Gosh Suz… can’t believe you even had time to watch the debate. I would have bet you’da been down in Blacksburg at the Toni Morrison celebration. Bet you Toni, and Nikki could have had a swell time.
“Binder of Women”, is that a Mormon Polygamist figure of speech?”
Nah. It appears to be just another common lie by Romney, relating to his glory years as Mass. guv.
From Huffpost:
“In fact, Romney did not direct women’s groups to bring him female candidates, Boston Pheonix reporter David Bernstein points out. A non-partisan collaboration of women’s groups called Massachusetts Government Appointments Project (MassGAP) was responsible for the effort in 2002, when the group’s leaders realized that women held only 30 percent of the top appointed positions in the state.
MassGAP had independently prepared the binder before they knew who would win the governorship. Furthermore, according to a later MassGAP study, Romney’s touting of his of 42 percent female-appointment rate during his first 2-1/2 years as governor ignores the fact that the number of women in high-level appointed positions actually declined to 27.6 percent during his full tenure.”
Dan,
Here’s a link to the exchange between Joe Donnelly (D) and Richard Mourdock (R) to which I think you were referring. I watched the debate on TV and it was an interesting moment. There were times during the debate when I thought I was watching a SNL skit. The Libertarian candidate also provided several moments of comic relief during the debate.
Indiana is a very conservative state. I think Joe Donnelly has an even chance to win the Senate seat. However, if Romney wins the state by more than 6 points I think he will carry Mourdock with him.
Joe Donnelly is my congressman. I meet with him or his staff at least monthly to discuss issues related to higher education. He is precisely the kind of moderate (by my standards) we need in the Senate & Congress. Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid do him no favors because he votes regularly with the Republicans on issues. Richard Mourdock is a joke. He is a former coal company executive who has served as the state treasurer in Indiana. He sued to stop the auto bailout and spent $2 million dollars on New York lawyers in the case. The Indiana Attorney General, also a Republican, refused to participate in the case. He also invested state teachers’ & police & fireman retirement funds in very risking investments losing millions of dollars doing so. He’s blaming the auto bailout for those losses.
I agree with Donnelly that I don’t believe the people of Indiana are stupid enough to elect Mourdock. However, those same voters elected a Secretary of State, who serves as the top state election official, who was later convicted of 4 counts of voter fraud. I guess you never know until the votes are counted.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/joe-donnelly-richard-mourdock-indiana-senate_n_1968832.html
Morning wrap of just who “won” the debate…for the deniers on this thread:
☻George Will republican conservative [for pete’s sake] praised the President’s debate strategy: “As a tactical measure, the president did very well indeed,” Will said.
☻Republican strategist Steve Schmidt …agreed that Obama had the last word and that matters. “The president hit him real hard right on the nose with the 47 percent comment,” Schmidt said.
☻Fox News Channel’s Brit Hume gave the edge to Obama: “I thought that the president because he raised his game to some extent from the first time around obviously he is going to look better by comparison — he’ll probably declared the winner of this on most cards.”
☻ABC’s Matthew Dowd said that when Republicans start attacking the umpire, you know they knew they had lost. George Stephanopoulos said that Ed Gillespie of the Romney campaign was complaining about moderator Candy Crowley of CNN.
☻“Overall my reaction – I think it certainly stopped the bleeding of the Obama campaign and for that they’re going to be very happy,” said Chris Wallace of Fox News.
☻CNN’s David Gergen said that Obama did well enough to blunt Romney’s momentum after the first debate.
A CNN poll said Obama was the winner, 46 percent to 39 percent.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/10/obama-romney-the-best-presidential-debate-ever.html
Let the whining begin…3 minutes! The new republican meme is the President got three more minutes to make his case. Give Romney “a binder full” of minutes, and he will still lose – a totally rude, arrogant and unlikable republican candidate.
Dr. Cooper, I wondered if the “binder of women” was a mail order bride catalog?
I was watching the Tigers get to within a game of returning to the World Series…the debates won’t change my mind that neither candidate is ideal, and that to me they both have some glaring weaknesses and problems. I hope 2016 yields a better pool of potential candidates.
One thing I got to thinking about last night, in rough numbers, was the debt. In FY 2012, the US will have paid around $360 billion in interest on the debt, out of about a $3.8 trillion in budget expenditures. A full 10% of our expense is currently on debt interest, with interest rates incredibly low. When interest rates begin to rise, the payments on that debt go up, and could easily double, or triple. So at that point, we could realistically be paying over $1 trillion in interest alone, and still not make a dent in the total.
Even if we decide to allocate say $360,000,000,000.00 a year to pay down the debt, in addition to the interest, it would take 42 years to pay off the debt at that rate…and those payments would equate to close to hald the total receipts to the Federal government, which is taking in about $2.4 trillion this year.
We’ve got a problem…and no candidate running has a serious plan to address this…and certainly not one that stands any chance of getting enacted.
I keep trying to not be so pessimistic (read, realistic), but I’m beginning to think we’ve dug the hole so dang deep that getting out of it may no longer be possible.
Even if we were to keep taxes at the top where they are today, and raise taxes on the bottom 90% so their taxes were proportional to their income splits, we still wouldn’t make a dent. It would raise revenue by $220 billion, and that would be increasing taxes on the bottom 50% 6-fold, and the 25-50% quartile increasing their tax burden 2-fold, with 10-25% paing 30% more. And still, we’re running a huge deficit. Even taking that, and doubling those new numbers and the numbers paid by the top 10%, 2009 revenue from income taxes totaled $866 billion. Throwing in higher taxes on workers, and then doubling everyone’s taxes from that new point would yield income tax revenues of about $2.2 billion, which would still leave us running a deficit! It would result in nearly 25% tax rates on the bottom 50% (driving them to poverty or crippling the economy indefinitely), and effective tax rates of close to 36% for the top 10% as well.
We would need to effectively tax over half the country into poverty, and still enact confiscatory tax rates on higher earners…to only then get the budget to a break-even, without cutting spending. But, the other problem we have is that if we get to a slah-and-burn mode with government spending, cutting out all manner of budget items, it would result in state and local taxes going up to maintain services, or extreme degredation in their quality…or both. Plus, it would sacrifice the economy further by throwing millions out of government jobs, with little chance to make up the employment numbers in the private sector. Even privatizing vast swaths of the current government-funded programs, would result in fewer employment opportunities and higher end-user costs, which is effectively the same thing as a tax increase.
We’re effed, and I don’t think we want to accept it.
i can hear james carville now, screeching out, “hey you libs, it’s the economy, stupid”.
in my opinion, it IS the economy which will decide the election. didja notice how many of last night’s questions enabled Romney to simply DESTROY the ol’ potus? BAM! BAM! BAM! Libya…drip, drip, drip.
how many questions came up on “health care”, eh?
That, Mitt, is what happens when you get all your news from Faux, you don’t understand what actually happened.
I thought Rad objected to name-calling. Now he’s saying “Faux” News. Guess he changed his mind.
Radmacher the economy is so much better? Gas at $4, food prices through the roof, U-6 unemployment is 15 or 16% now not in 2009. Debt on top of debt, printing of money from here to eternity. When do you think we will pay for that? Call people who don’t agree with you stupid, fools idiots. Sorry dude Candy is not here to fix or channel your lies.
Did anyone fall out of the chair when President Obama in his closing comments say he believed in self reliance. Isn’t it hilarious how the man who has been President for 4 years slams somebody’s plan when we have watched him flounder and flop in all he has touched.
Dan do campaign promises that you have not done at all count as lies?
So, Mourdock spent $2 million of taxpayers’ money trying to stop the Detroit bailout that Romney panned but now claims was HIS plan? Interesting…
Why travel all the way to Bburg to watch a friend of thugs speak when you could watch the POTUS last night on TV from the comfort of your home?
Suzie: But if you take it back two years earlier when the Democrats including 0bama took over Congress, the economy has been wrecked even further.
Holding Obama (or Democrats) completely responsible for the 2007 financial meltdown is the most deeply stupid, dishonest and ludicrous thing I’ve ever heard.
0bama never called the Benghazi attack a terrorist attack.
What Obama said the very next day: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.”
No wonder you like Romney, Suzie. You both like to just make stuff up.
President Obama quote “Only reason gas prices were 1.85 in 2008 was because the economy was tanking.”
How about it is $4 now because of the printing of money.
BillPerdue…THAT was my first thought. I’ve seen a couple “binders” of Russian women.
From the CNN poll:
According to the survey, Obama had a 47%-41% edge on which candidate was more likeable. But on some key issues, Romney came out on top, including an 18-point lead on the economy.
Romney had a 49%-46% edge on which candidate seemed to be the stronger leader and 45%-43% margin on who answered questions more directly, while Obama had a 44%-40% advantage on which man seemed to care more about the audience members who asked questions.
Over 60% said obama did not clearly lay out a plan for the economy.
the debate can best be described as a tie. One-quarter of debate-watchers said the event made them more likely to vote for Obama, and an equal amount said it made them more likely to vote for Romney. Half said it would have no effect on their vote.
The sample of debate-watchers in this poll was 33% Democrat
Good analysis, Marked Man.
MSNBC had a focus group of undecided voters. It was announced they ruled the as a draw, but when the eight people were interviewed, six of them said they were leaning Romney. Chris “Tweety” Matthews was fit to be tied. He thundered at the panel that they obviously didn’t hear Romney’s response to equal pay for women, then tried to get the women to change their minds. None did. The asshat was clearly irritated.
The “winner?” Jim Lehrer. Honey Boo Boo would have made a better moderator than Candy.
Oh and how about Obama pays his female employees 18% less than their male counterparts.
#96 I also watched baseball, OJ, but I’m not sure why. The Yankees are flailing away just as much as the presidential candidates.
#91 It would have been wonderful to see these brilliant women and authors, but couldn’t make it last night. I hear that all the tickets for Burruss were reserved and that they had to set up a remote overflow site at Donaldson Brown.
From the presidents transcript the day after the Bengazi attacks:
“…No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.”
The president clearly ties acts of terror with the next sentence in which he mourns the 4 lost Americans. To say he did not call these attacks is an out and out lie.
Aren’t these debates really about persuading the ‘undecideds’? It’s laughable. I made my decision on a candidate long ago. Republicans have all made up their minds as well. And for those of us who have decided how to vote, the debates are fodder for a good argument. So, all that are left are the coveted swing voters. If there really are any.
Since we have known who the candidates are for at least six months, and have been bombarded daily with the propaganda, there is no way that someone is undecided at this point unless they are like the guy on the Geico commercial who comes out from under a rock only to discover how cheap his insurance can be.
What could be left to say that hasn’t been said? There are certainly no undecided voters on this blog.
For now, I scroll past more posts than I read because I already know what they are going to say. Kind of like the instructions on a shampoo bottle “lather, rinse, repeat”.
Lying has become irrelevant and the truth doesn’t matter either.
OJ you may be right. The tipping point of no return to the glory days of the US may have past.
We are faced with electing a man who might be able to slow or even reverse the decline in Obama. We need to help him out by cleaning out the obstructionist tea party and restore the GOP to a party of reason.
Or we can elect Romney. A man committed to double down on the policies of trickle down, tax cutting budget blowouts, unfettered, de-regulated capitalism and war mongering which will surely speed up the sunset of American Power.
I’ll take my chances with Obama. Maybe we’ll get lucky. Stranger things have happened.
Did anybody see the focus group Faux News put on after the debate? The average age had to be at least 65 years old. Of course they are going to vote for Romney. Romney is counting on the old farts coming out to vote for him. That’s why he’s promised not to change any of their benefits. Sheesh.
If you’re going to be credible, at least have some diversity in who you are questioning. The Faux coverage was a joke.
“Gas prices: Worse than ’81 oil shock”
“Gas now at highest level, even adjusted for inflation; AAA’s reading of nearly $3.20 a gallon marks ninth straight record high in current dollars.”
What’s that headline from? May 6, 2006. Blame that on Obama.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/
We got us some binders full o women:
http://bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com/
James Swingle – Your printing of money claim just does not wash. Gas prices are now at the level GWB had them in 2008 before the crash. At that time we were buying as much Saudi and Venezuela oil as we could get. We are now using less foreign oil than in the last two decades, pumping more, drilling more with much better fuel economy. We have also cut off Iran oil to Europe and decreased its usage by other countries to deter Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Before the sanctions, the price of oil was dropping in spite of the uptick in the economy in China and here.
The oil prices are up simply because of the growth in the economy and the sanctions on Iran, both good things. Throw in some speculation from te Koch brothers wanting their Keystone pipeline and you get gasoline prices where they are.
Somehow, Mitt bombing Iran does not seem likely to lower gasoline prices.
Mitt seemed determined to blame Obama for a few coal companies closing. Interesting that he never mentioned natural gas once last night. The fact is natural gas prices are blowing coal out of the water for domestic use and that is why more and more coal is being shipped overseas. Mitt likes to blame the EPA, but the truth simply is coal cannot compete with natural gas at this time.
Suzie – had Romney even come close in the debate, you would have been crowing your beak off. Your subdued responses above clearly show Obama put the smack down on flip flop Mitt.
I’m pretty sure Americans only perceive “glory days” in the rear view mirror. And probably all have different definitions of same.
I’m trying to decode the dimwittedness that can’t conflate both the movie trailer AND terrorism as being the source of the attacks on the consulate. Let’s try, shall we?
“Upon becoming aware of the stupid pointless movie trailer, several terrorists were infuriated enough to attack the American consulate, killing the Ambassador.”
Voila! Or, for Frank and matt….walla.
I will say this, I was glad to hear Romney oppose, what he supported, before he opposed it, and I hope this is his final turnaround on the issue of covering contraceptives. But no, I am not counting on it. Supporting a literal weather-vane for President has got to be a new low, even for some of you.
I watched the debate but as usual, I am pulling for Detroit! Go Tigers!
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.
Where in that sentence is he saying Benghazi was a terrorist attack? He repeatedly said it was in response to a video.
Other John, no need to be a pessimist. Really! We can do this, we have even done it before. Yes, it will be hard, but we are in better shape than last time to do it. All we need is a compassionate, smart leader like Obama and a Congress willing to govern…oh wait, you might be right, we have the worst Congress of our lifetime, bar none.
But on the bright side these things are all true today:
“Cheer Up! 17 reasons it’s a great time to be alive”
http://www.rd.com/health/healthy-eating/cheer-up-17-reasons-its-a-great-time-to-be-alive/
Cold, I’m thinking the weird survivalists may be on the right track for making it in the future…even if they are a bit nutty. I just get an increasingly sour feeling about where this country has been headed…it’s like trying to throw the Titanic into reverse with a hard turn to avoid the inevitable, but so much momentum has been built up I’m not sure we can steer away from certain destruction. To me it seems like the election is a bit like re-arranging the deck chairs while the ship is sinking.
Pessimistic? Yeah. Realistic? Sadly, I think yes. I think the biggest problem we face is that from the 80′s through the start of the most recent recession, a lot of our growth was fueled by relatively cheap credit, both for government and consumers. Consumers collapsed under the weight of the tab once the bill came due and debt costs rose…so how much longer before the same happens to the government? I don’t think this is an “If” question, so much as a “When” question now…
hey danr,
You can make it sound like Romney lied all you want…that’s what you libs do. No surprise here.
However, the issue is what actually happened, and didn’t happen, surrounding the Libya fiasco. You know it. I know it. And Romney knows it, too. It’s sure to be an interesting thing to watch un-ravel over the next couple of weeks.
Either you or I likely could have handled that specific issue in the debate better than Romney…but let’s not forget in THAT regard, your guy obama STILL needed a rescue effort from candyland…
In fact, candyland appears to have done better for obuma than he, hillary, and panetta COMBINED did for the four murdered Americans in Benghazi.
In my opinion, the leadership surrounding the tragic Libya fiasco is completely inept, ideologically stunted, or both. Do you remember, danr, that your guy is the “leader” of this fiasco? And he’s as lib as they come.
Hey Elena, Honey Boo Boo supports Obama.
http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/honey-boo-boo-star-endorses-barack-obama-for-president-1712317.story?ocid=answw11
This was not in the debate but how about our President’s comment we have got back every dime of bailout money from the auto industry and the same day the CBO comes out with there is a current loss of 23 billion. Thought I better spell out billion since it looks like the left get their news here at Dan’s blog. Is that a lie Dan? Since I guess I’m not sure what lie means I need to run it through Dan. Who better to know what a lie is?
Oh and another stimulus fed battery manufacturer for electric cars went bankrupt last week. Great investment Mr. President.
Re: “undecided voters” that the debates are all about.
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Interested tidbit from a CQ email, which I receive:
“… the million or fewer (at most) truly undecided people who will cast ballots in the nine dispositive states….”
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The CQ email also raises the point that, “Both have now shown they can play the Alpha Male, but maybe to a fault.” and raises the implied question if they can “come off as the Empathizer in Chief”.
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Thoughts? Who are these million or fewer (at most) truly undecided people who will cast ballots in the dispositive states? What is important to them — assuming all the ads and hype to date has not touched their important issues? Is there an “Empathy” issue in play? If so, what is it that will swing the election?
William Quesenberry@ 8:33 has rthe best summary of the way I feel about this election. As for the debate, there was not one area that Romney prevailed in. The one comment I find strangely missing from all the RWER’s is the meme they have pushed for four years—that the President is lost without a teleprompter. So I have a question for you? Did you see any teleprompters on the ndebate set? Did you see a President who was articulate, excellent at thinkning on his feet, and fully engaged, confident and armed with facts and figures. And for the most part his answers were concise and to the point. No stumbling, no halting, a few thoughtful pauses while he gathered his thoughts for the right answer.
The next idiot who pushes the teleprompter nonsense will simply confirm the fact the he is just that, an idiot.
Re: my last
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Might this be “THE” issue?
http://tinyurl.com/cxo8m3g
If not, what?
At least it wasn’t “bindles” full o’ women.
Cold n’ P did you see Axelrod on MSNBC 10 minutes after it ended cleaning up the mess and telling us what he meant and was trying to say? The head of the Obama campaign. 10 minutes after the debate. Cleaning up the mess.
Debbie…If I was Obama, I wouldn’t make a spot highlighting Honey Boo Boo’s endorsement, nor if I was Romney, make one of Snooki’s support for him! I’m waiting to see who Hulk Hogan is voting for to make my decision, heehee.
Dave Hicks @132
Romney of course lied last night about supporting women’s right to contraception through their work related health insurance. The Blunt Amendment would eliminate contraceptive coverage in health care plans for employees if the employer is against contraception for religious purposes – regardless of how the woman employee views contraception.
The Blunt Amendment was attached to a highway funding bill – would have allowed not only religious groups but ANY employer with moral objections to opt out of the coverage requirement. And it would have allowed such employers to do so in the case of not only contraception but ANY HEALTH SERVICE required by the 2010 health-care law. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0301/Blunt-amendment-brings-culture-wars-to-Congress
Romney:
“Of course I support the Blunt amendment. I thought he was talking about some state law that prevented people from getting contraception so I was simply — misunderstood the question and of course I support the Blunt amendment,” Romney later told Howie Carr’s radio program in Boston, noting that Blunt is his campaign’s point man in the Senate. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/29/romney-says-does-not-support-blunt-amendment/#ixzz29Zs6TOLX
This was Romney’s statement after he said he was AGAINST the Blunt Amendment…this guy can not keep his “beliefs” straight.
Re: Comment by Kristen — October 17, 2012 @ 11:12 am
Well done, Kristen!
#123 suzie, STILL in need of reading-comprehension help.
I agree completely, Elena, about HBB and Snooki. As for Hulk Hogan, I try very hard to never think of him.
#133 BTW, Dan, I just read that bindersfullofwomen.com was snapped up by a Soros-funded PAC less than two minutes after Romney uttered the phrase. They immediately knew it would be hot.
’bout sums it up, IMHO.
http://tinyurl.com/cglwv4y
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(CNN) — While President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney were ostensibly responding to questions from uncommitted voters at a town hall-style debate on Tuesday, they found plenty of opportunities to attack each other during the 90-minute encounter.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
o Mitt Romney stumbles into a mess of his own making on auto bailout and squabbles with moderator
o Attack on Benghazi mission still an issue for Romney to take advantage of
o Barack Obama hits all the marks that he missed in first lackluster debate performance
o Analyst describes rivals as ‘two high school jocks who don’t like each other’
SNIP
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@James Swingle: “Radmacher the economy is so much better? Gas at $4…”
Obama told us last night that high gas prices are the sign of a better economy. He said they were low when he took office because the economy was bad.
Sandi, I’m doing my best to be optimistic. We’re doing better than ever personally, and making major headway toward getting to the goal of being debt-free by age 40. It’ll be a tough slog to get there, but we have a plan and it’s working.
One thing I am finding though, from discussions with friends & family, is that almost everyone has re-adjusted downward their expectations of their living standards in the past 5-6 years. Many have cut out, or greatly cut back on, percieved excesses like cable/dish TV, dining out, long vacations, etc. The thing is…almost every person who has done those things, has no plan to change it now or later on, even if they get to making more money.
They’ve been forced by a down economy to learn the value of saving, of reducing debt, of picking and choosing expenses more carefully. I’ll freely admit, I’m cheap as hell. In the past year, I’ve bought 4 suits…2 labeled under Jos. A Banks, 1 under Men’s Wearhouse, 1 made by Garrett’s in Radford. I paid $25 total for all 4, getting them from thrift shops (it’s amazing how much brand-new stuff, often still tagged, gets donated…but I’m not complaining, I’ve got a hell of a wardrobe). I frequently can save 90% or more on clothing that way, why would I go back to buying at full retail price (or even discount places like from TJ Maxx or Ross?)? I won’t. Heck, even clothes at Walmart seem ridiculously priced now…
The point is, the behavioral changes in spending patterns by consumers will have a lasting impact on the economy and how much it recovers. Credit is still dirt cheap, and obviously some people are still loading up on it to get the latest iPhone, the newest PS3, the biggest flat panel HDTV, etc…but an increasing number of consumers aren’t…and that is keeping demand depressed, which in turn keeps employment and tax revenues dwpressed when people aren’t working. And the thing is, a growing number have found they don’t need to work…many families are learning to live on a single income again.
Things will likely eventually improve a bit more, but I don’t foresee the economy returning to a stable, robust level. Most times we have robust growth, it’s followed by a downturn anyway because of various bubbles…which usually leav people worse off than when they started. So the question really becomes, how will we go forward knowing that the expense for maintaining services will probably never be covered by traditional revenue streams? Does ‘free’ access to various things go away, in favor of privatization and people paying directly for things like K-12 education, use of a library or park, being able to drive on certain roads and bridges, etc? Are the bulk of social services turned over to the citizens to manage on their own…like booting people under a certain age away from Social Security and medicare eligibility and telling them to fund their retirements on their own?
I guess we’ll know soon enough…these kinds of problems and questions have been kicked down the street for far too long, and we’re about out of asphalt to keep paving the street longer and longer so we can keep kicking the proverbial can.
Why are RWers who were so incensed at the faux “rudeness” of Joe Biden in the VP debate, not condemning the actual “rudeness” of their candidate Romney? By most measures Romney was the “rude” one last night – he spoke over the President, spoke over Candy Crowley, pointed his finger in the face of the President, ignored the 2 minute time restriction and basicially became unhinged when confronted with the truth…
UTR, you’ll have to elaborate, I heard tons of spin, most of it claiming shock at how the President was unseemly and aggressive. This from the folks cheering in glee last week…
Whoever watched the debate last night lost 2 hours of their life they will never get back watching two grown men b!+c# about each other, lie, twist, argue, spit, and promise a whole bunch of stuff that they’ve neither never done nor can ever do. And anyone spending time on a blog talking about the whole bunch of nothing is just wasting more of their life taking about what amounts to 2 pounds of crap stuffed in a one pound bag. What a shame.
You people seriously have trouble whenever a reality does not suit your preconceived ideology don’t you? Of course he was talking about the terrorist attack on Benghazi Suzie, that was the PURPOSE of the remarks. It was not a gotcha question at an open press conference. It was called an act of terror and the video was not “blamed” either. Certainly not in the twisted right wing spin zone way you Romneyites are pushing it.
Remarks
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Secretary of State
Treaty Room
Washington, DC
September 12, 2012
“…There will be more time later to reflect, but today, we have work to do. There is no higher priority than protecting our men and women wherever they serve. We are working to determine the precise motivations and methods of those who carried out this assault. Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior, along with the protest that took place at our Embassy in Cairo yesterday, as a response to inflammatory material posted on the internet. America’s commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear – there is no justification for this, none. Violence like this is no way to honor religion or faith. And as long as there are those who would take innocent life in the name of God, the world will never know a true and lasting peace…”
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2012/09/197654.htm
The video WAS the catalyst for several of the protests in the region. It was not blamed for the attack from the beginning and only those who seek to parse the language and mitigate the mess made when politics got involved are claiming it was. To deny the video had any part in any of the protests is to lie. You do not know all the motivations or catalysts for anyone who fired a shot in Benghazi. To call the people on the ground out for trying to keep the peace and demand they stop “apologizing” is cowardice to the utmost. To insist that this administration did not give you every detail you sought is justifiable, given what you do with facts. Considering that is precisely the reason the Romney campaign believes they do not have to share any details of their plans makes you all and them, hypocrites.
Timeline of the attack:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444620104578008922056244096.html
Timeline of the Obama administration remarks:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/from-video-to-terrorist-attack-a-definitive-timeline-of-administration-statements-on-the-libya-attack/2012/09/26/86105782-0826-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html
When you only get your news from the TP/R factory, nothing good can come of it:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/09/12/fox-scrambles-timeline-to-excuse-romneys-embass/189849
Hey all you libs,
Just like in sports, politicians can harm themselves by peaking too soon. Obama peaked in November, 2008.
As we get closer to the big day, many of obama’s 2008 hopers and changers are beginning to change their minds, and are chosing to leave the swamp…which is about all that’s left over from the obama flood of 2008.
Romney’s track record, manner, personality, and message are all making it pretty easy for those voters’ to recognize the fallacy of their thinking 4 years ago.
Bug, welcome jack.
Re: Comment by Dan Casey — October 17, 2012 @ 6:03 pm
Typo or are you saying that (o\ ! /o) and Jack are one-in-the-same?
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Bug, did you say the same thing about the last debate?
Shrillary, it is a pattern with the Plutocrat Romney. He does not like to be questioned. He does not feel he should have to explain himself or his plans to anyone. It is not an act, he is an impatient, rude, autocratic, typical Wall Street CEO. It is the real him and it is not the least Presidential.
(o\ ! /o), Politics is messy. It is not meant to be tea with the Queen. We are wasting no one’s time but our own. There is no captive audience either.
@Jack: Obama told us last night that high gas prices are the sign of a better economy. He said they were low when he took office because the economy was bad.
And he’s exactly right. The global economy was in tatters, which is why the price of gas declined by more than $2 a gallon in 2008. When there’s no demand for oil because people aren’t producing and transporting goods, traveling to jobs or shopping like they did, that’s exactly what will happen. You have heard of the law of supply and demand, haven’t you?
Gas prices go up when demand goes up, absent a corresponding increase in supply, which the industry doesn’t seem willing or able to produce.
Back in 2008, when the price of gas was high under Bush, Faux News whined about how it wasn’t fair to blame Bush, because the president can’t control gas prices. When gas prices started to go back up after the crash, though, they whined and blamed Obama’s policies. When prices settled back down, it either had nothing to do with Obama or was part of some wily conspiracy on his part to help win re-election. There is no clearer sign of how unhinged and separated from reality the right has become than the schizophrenic reaction to gas prices.
The fact is, Faux was right when they said the president can’t really control gas prices.
More bad news for the Republicans, which means good news for Americans: The economy is showing real signs of genuine recovery in just about every consumer-related category.
The Mittster has a one-point plan: trust me, elect me!
That dog won’t hunt.
Comment by Dan Casey — October 16, 2012 @ 11:05 pm
It was clear that Mr. Romney has a five point plan…think you must be
thinking Obama=LOSER.
Suggest you go Burka shopping. Mitt kicked his butt again…easily…Obama has nothing to talk about and the public has
stopped believing his lies. The Candy bias will backfire…next debate is
about foreign policy…with her admission that Romney was right…it’s sure to come up again.
Suzie – had Romney even come close in the debate, you would have been crowing your beak off. Your subdued responses above clearly show Obama put the smack down on flip flop Mitt.
What the hell are you talking about, Richard? I was taking it easy like I did two weeks ago. Romney FLATTENED his ass. He destroyed him on his record. ALL the focus groups said they favored Romney. He won in all the post-debate polls on the economy. Not even Candy Crowley with her 28 interruptions to 9 for 0bama and the three-minute time advantage she gave 0bama could help the idiot. Not even her lying intervention could help 0bama.
I suspect Mitt will add to his lead in the coming days. The Election-day rout is shaping up just like I predicted.
Welcome jack?
Why are RWers who were so incensed at the faux “rudeness” of Joe Biden in the VP debate, not condemning the actual “rudeness” of their candidate Romney? By most measures Romney was the “rude” one last night – he spoke over the President, spoke over Candy Crowley, pointed his finger in the face of the President, ignored the 2 minute time restriction and basicially became unhinged when confronted with the truth.
That’s a laugh. 0bama had a three-minute edge, accomplished by interrupting and Crowley let him do it. She interrupted Romney 28 times compared to just 9 times for 0bama. 0bama tried to show he was wasn’t comatose, so he overdid it. All that accomplished was to make him appear inconsistent and flighty to the audience. Romney, on the other hand was the same in both debates. Firm, precise, and in command.
Between the Biden ticket and Romney ticket, the two Democrat candidates were manic and unstable. The two Republicans seemed calm and, well, normal. Women were turned off by 0bama last night and Biden Thursday. We want our leaders to be predictable and reliable.
“We want our leaders to be predictable and reliable.”
Who’s “we,” dude?
I just can’t help but notice how presidential Mitt Romney seems. How strong, confident, and in-control he is. What a great presence. If you didn’t know who the two candidates were, you’d swear Romney is the president and the other works for him in some lower capacity.
Today’s times require an alpha male who knows how to give out orders to get things done. And Romney is such a handsome man. Anchor man good-looks. And he’s everybody’s father. He’s a conglomeration of all the TV dads of the early 60s. Ward Cleaver, Jim Anderson, Dr. Alex Stone, Martin Lane to name a few. Very comforting to have a self-assured guy like that as president. So different from the immature vain insecure incompetent little boy we’ve endured the past four years.
It was also highly offensive to see the inferior man make aggressive movements toward Romney. It’s like coming at your boss. You just don’t do that. 0bama really hasn’t earned the right to stand on the same stage as Romney, let alone talk and act disrespectfully towards him. It was just way out of place.
hey dans,
You guys tag-teaming FOX News is pretty funny. If it’s not one dano, it’s the other danr. Are all current and former RT’s “opinion” journalists named dan required to be such FOX haters as you guys? Or, are you in a club or sumpthin? …one that requires you to be a FOX hater? sheesh. I bet you guys also wear the same color “I hate me” tee-shirts each day.
ok guys, tell us how fair and balanced it was that “journalist” Crowley interrupted Romney 28 times, and your guy 9 times…AND your guy gets 3+ more minutes yapping time than Romney?
In three weeks, Romney disappears into the dustbin of history.
Those who believe, say a prayer for George McGovern.
Yeah Right! I don’t understand why Suzie wasn’t able to use her immense wealth and influence to get Romney to choose her other favorite alpha male, Rush Limpballs, as his running mate. I’m sure the testosterone would just literally ooze off the platform every time they got together. They’d probably have allthe sluts throwing their panties at them at every appearance. Funny thing though, all the women I hear talking about it think Romney is a slick, sleazy, lying gasbag without a clue about how women acrtually feel about anything and that he reminds them of a shyster used car salesman.
Stephen Colbert in his inimtable parodic style, pretty well nailed it tonight. He said that Romney’s first and most important victory came in the coin tosses before the debate. Their were four regarding first question, stage position, last question, and location of spouses and he said Romney just crushed Obama winning three out of four coin tosses. This , he said , sent a powerful message to all the undecided voters out there who are having trouble making up their minds this late in the election procesw. And that message is ” For God’s sake get it over with and just flip a gdamn coin!”
From FDL; The Remarkable Reappearance of George W. Bush.
Jack?
Yes, I did say the same thing after the last debate. It is a sad state of affairs when people are deciding their vote at this stage in the game based on these debates rather than the core values and principles of key beliefs (whether that is fiscal policy, foreign policy, tax policy, life policy, gun policy, or a combination of all of the above). It seems rather Junior High to me.
In reality, these debates are aimed at the undecided. It’s not like Obama having a bad debate changed anyone’s mind that was hard core Dem just like if Romney has a bad debate that’s not going to change anyone’s mind that is a hard core Rep. All it really amounts to is fodder for the spin doctors.
Politics is the only arena where two people can spend 2 hours slinging mud at each other and each thinking they walked away clean. Debates should be structured where the person has to answer the question with what THEY have done or would do. Each one of them spent more of their time talking about their opinion of what the other one would do. The moderator should nip it there and keep them focused on their actions and not the other. Once that stuff starts, it’s just a whizzing match.
Gee, Screwzie, who’s dreamier…Rush or Mitt? I mean, they’re both soooo dreeeeeaaaammmmyyyyyy!!!!
((((sigh))))
Well Suzie, strap ‘em down, because that “inferior man” is going to beat your “presidential Mitt Romney” and remain the President of the greatest nation on earth 4 more years!
Suzie – Romney is not, has not and will never be the boss of Obama.
On Tuesday night, he came across as a man who believes he is the boss, even of the President of the United States. But he did not come across as a man who should be the boss, or ever the President of the United States. He came across as that boss we’ve all had, that we all hate, who thinks only his opinions matter, no matter how far they are from reality, because, well, because he’s the boss, damn it.
And it was offensive to see the inferior man making such aggressive movements on a debate stage, but Obama showed he was the better person by disarming that inferior man with passion, facts and presence.
Oh, and the only people who complain about the ref are those who root for the losing team.
#162 You need a new schtick, suzie.
Romney is a slick, sleazy, lying gasbag without a clue about how women acrtually feel about anything and that he reminds them of a shyster used car salesman.
Remember folks. the guy saying this is a big fan of Joe Biden. LOL.
What Obama said the very next day: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.”
No wonder you like Romney, Suzie. You both like to just make stuff up.
You’re the one inventing this crap, Rad. Candy Crowley admitted she was wrong and Romney was right. Everybody knows President Jackass repeated the video lie multiple times as did Thighlary, as did Jay Carney, as did Susan Rice who ALL insisted it was a spontaneous unplanned attack. They were all lying sacks of sh*t.
How dare that black man, or that white woman, not shut up when Mitt is trying to interrupt! I mean REALLY….
Did anybody see the focus group Faux News put on after the debate? The average age had to be at least 65 years old. Of course they are going to vote for Romney. Romney is counting on the old farts coming out to vote for him. That’s why he’s promised not to change any of their benefits. Sheesh.
If you’re going to be credible, at least have some diversity in who you are questioning. The Faux coverage was a joke.
MSNBC had a group of eight that included four women and a black, and they said the same thing the FOX groups said. 6 of 8 were going with Romney. Chris Matthews as SO pissed, he was trying to get them to change their minds and couldn’t.
Radmacher;
Since wages are stagnant and personal worth is dropping. How do you figure everything is so much better? Here are some price increases since 2008 Mr. wizard of smart.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/not-just-gas-check-out-the-drastic-price-increases-on-these-21-everyday-items/
Just put comments out there when everybody is living it. Get some facts that any dunce like me can’t just blow up. Now wonder the news media has approval marks lower than Congress. 75% of them are Radmachers.
@171 – “Oh, and the only people who complain about the ref are those who root for the losing team.”
Right. Great to hear you condone liars and manipulators. Speaks volumes.
“We want our leaders to be predictable and reliable.”
Who’s “we,” dude?
OK, Mark Poodle down in the camp that wants a screwoff as president.
181. suzie – It is a shame you don’t have an Alpha Male at home. He would take your keyboard and put you back on your meds.
Mitt really nailed it when he said that getting single moms married would cut down on mass shootings.
Re: “How dare that black man, or that white woman, not shut up when Mitt is trying to interrupt! I mean REALLY….”
Comment by Dan Casey — October 18, 2012 @ 8:37 am
Dan, come on – I trust you’re capable of being more objective than this.
Why do you feel the need to inject inferred discrimination into the discussion? Did not both candidates interrupt each other during the debate?
James Swingle, do you seriously believe the economy of this nation swings so violently after an election to the degree that ALL of the economic downturn is due to Obama’s policies? Again, you people prove why you were labeled “low effort” and “low information” voters, every single day.
Sandi do you have 5 comments stored somewhere and copy and paste them every time you post here? That is low effort sister. If in your way you are calling me stupid at least I don’t have as my post symbol a lying political hacks campaign symbol. How lame is that? I did not say that President Obama was the cause of everything bad that is coming down on our country. I posted a retort to Radmacher saying how great things are now.
hey James Swingle,
I had forgotten the fact that “we the people” think even less of the news media than we do members of Congress. What a drawing card THAT is for a carrier path.
MC @182 Comment by MC — October 18, 2012 @ 9:37 am
“Why do you feel the need to inject inferred discrimination into the discussion?”
Ummm, maybe because of this?
“Romney Supporter Wears ‘Put The White Back In The White House’ T-Shirt At Ohio Campaign Event ”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/13/romney-supporter-wears-put-the-white-back-in-the-white-house-campaign-event-ohio_n_1963583.html
or
“The Orange County Register reported that Dean Grose, the Los Alamitos mayor, sent an email from his personal account that shows a picture of the White House. On its lawn are rows of watermelons, and the caption reads, “No Easter egg hunt this year.“http://www.huffingtonpost.com/patt-morrison/barack-obama-and-watermel_b_170409.html
or here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+as+a+monkey&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=5Ks&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ghGAULSGOqnm0gHP4IG4Aw&ved=0CCAQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=516
Harmless? No. Rabidly Racist? Yes. Disgusting…and if you don’t see it you are deluding yourself…or maybe just simply agree with the above, eh?
Frank; Newsweek came out yesterday that they are going all digital in 2013. We all know where that will end up next. Still read the paper version of the Roanoke Times everyday but anymore that is the exception and not the norm. Times are changing but point of views of editors and reporters run a bunch of regular people away.
MC, check your pal Suzie’s (post #162) use of “inferior man” to actually get the Point Dan is making. The implication is clear and her track record here makes sure there is no doubt.
I just love it when Dan R comes back because no matter what he says, it drives suzie absolutely nuts that he’s even posting.
Wow Shrillary, you have outdone yourself. I see my specific question regarding Dan’s comment has ruffled you to the point of posting a couple of links from HuffPo and one where you obviously performed your own Google search that requests information on similarities between our sitting President and a type of jungle-dwelling primate. Hey, the truth is there in your link “https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+as+a+monkey…”
Stick foot in mouth and twist.
Shrillary could you forward the story in the Huffington Post about the assassination threats to Romney? Story about 1 t-shirt worn by 1 moron. Wow had to search far and wide for that. I am against the President because his policies are killing our country. Not what race he is.
Radmacher more signs things are getting better?
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/18/report-welfare-governments-single-largest-budget-item-in-fy-2011-at-approx-1-03-trillion/
Or even more hope that it is getting sooooooo much better:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/7-eleven-presidency_654846.html
Hate to tell all you pinko leftists but Suzie is the most entertaining poster on this blog. Roanoke Times should give her Dan’s column. Inferior man comment brings some American hating posters here to mind.
Blaming your predecessor 4 years after you get the job is another sign of a inferior man.
James Swingle did you look at the last link I posted? Those are not single examples…did you check out some of the TeaParty websites selling those types of t-shirts…denying racism doesn’t make it go away…but as said before by DH – whatever floats your boat…
I did read the link you provided Shrillary. The fools/morons that judge someone because of the color of skin are just that fools and morons. There has been a ton of talk on Twitter about killing Romney. But just because someone does not agree with the Prez does not mean they are racist.
James Swingle posted @193 “But just because someone does not agree with the Prez does not mean they are racist.”
No but when they make a monkey caricature or a watermelon reference in conjunction with the President of the United State that is not disagreeing with the President. There are better ways to get that point across, if one is intelligent enough, without the racists tones.
This President has more death threats than any other president. Romney better get use to that type of behavior if he wants to be the president…but should President Obama get use to the racism?
but should President Obama get use to the racism?
Comment by Shrillary — October 18, 2012 @ 3:40 pm
LOL, Odiot is a racist and has the most racist administration in history.
Eric Holder and his peeps. . .and. . . “I will stand with the Muslims” not
to mention playing the race card against anyone or anything that opposes him. LOL
Shrillary; we should never get used to or not call out hate or racism.
Stephen Colbert in his inimtable parodic style, pretty well nailed it tonight. He said that Romney’s first and most important victory came in the coin tosses before the debate. Their were four regarding first question, stage position, last question, and location of spouses and he said Romney just crushed Obama winning three out of four coin tosses. This , he said , sent a powerful message to all the undecided voters out there who are having trouble making up their minds this late in the election procesw. And that message is ” For God’s sake get it over with and just flip a gdamn coin!”
Could somebody tell dave “Stephen Colbert” is not a real news anchor or commentator? He is an actor playing a character. Just another example of leftwingers living in this fantasy world.
Hate to tell all you pinko leftists but Suzie is the most entertaining poster on this blog. Roanoke Times should give her Dan’s column.
Why thank you, James Swingle. I enjoy your posts as well. That makes two blogs maybe I can take over; this one and the little bedwetter’s 538 Blog.
MC, check your pal Suzie’s (post #162) use of “inferior man” to actually get the Point Dan is making. The implication is clear and her track record here makes sure there is no doubt.
Yep. Notice Sandy and the two Dan’s insert racial motivations in my comment where there was none. I simply pointed out 0bama is inferior to Romney because his personal and professional history as well as his demeanor wilts in comparison to Romney’s. I further pointed out that it looked like 0bama was momentarily considering striking Romney, an unsettling spectacle for many Americans.
I just love it when Dan R comes back because no matter what he says, it drives suzie absolutely nuts that he’s even posting.
It’s actually the other way around. Dan’s usual course is to get rid of folks who challenge him. It really bugs him he can’t do that now.
#203 suzie, hon, you’re the one who always goes back to whining about unfair Dan R was. Or trying to hold him to what you imagined his standards were on his blog. This isn’t his blog, is it? People on this blog play under different rules, including the flood of insults and lies that come from you.
Predictable and pitiful.
#193 I hate to tell you, James Swingle, but as soon as you call folks here “pinko leftists,” you’ve already lost any argument you were trying to make. You’ve destroyed yourself.
Oh yes, “unsettling”, like when Romney’s son said he wanted to “rush down and take a swing at” Obama? Like that, “unsettling spectacle”?
James Swingle, I don’t hate to tell you that your insults and admiration for Suzie render your opinion worse than useless, typical right wing Plutocratic bull.
Romney’s debate performances prove he respects no one, listens to no one and behaves just like a billionaire bully CEO is expected to behave. He is so far from presidential it is astounding.
The thought of ole Taggster taking a swing at anything other than a 9 iron is hilarious. The Rmoney boys are about the prissiest bunch of mamma’s boys I’ve ever seen. I doubt they want to risk wrinking their Brooks Brothers.
“There has been a ton of talk on Twitter about killing Romney.”
No there hasn’t.
I enjoy Swingle’s posts…it’s like hearing someone who just climbed out of a 1957 time capsule. The Red Threat is so throwback.
Oh yeah sister, keep clinging to that lie. Dan R likes a good debate and a good debater. You offer neither. You never have. Hate, lies, distortions and insults is not debate, it is just you being vile. You made your bed, stop whining that it is other people’s fault.
For the record, no one has ever needed to “insert racial motivations in” your comments. We know the source, we know the course, we know you.
I doubt anybody would have to worry about getting hurt if obama took a swing at them.
Of course if obama used a knife and stabbed you in the back it would definitely hurt… just like the last 4 years have.
Perhaps Gov. Romney’s son should have rushed the stage during the recent debate. Had he done so I’m certain he would have learned the efficiency of the Secret Service personnel present that night. I suspect they would have taught him a few lessons about why acting like an idiot and a bully is not always the best approach to life.
Mitt believes single-parent families beget violence.
Tagg wants to punch the President.
@199 “Shrillary; we should never get used to or not call out hate or racism.” Comment by James Swingle — October 18, 2012 @ 11:42 pm
I agree with you – which, as an aside, must be a first…
Hope you are as vigilant calling out your favorite poster, “most ill-informed” aka Suzie on hatred and racism…that should keep you busy.
I’m sure Mittster’s more comfortable with families that have 5 or 6 parents.
Single-parent families beget presidents:
President Clinton
President Obama…
Gold medalists:
Michael Phelps
Secretaries of State:
Alexander Haig Jr.
Businessman:
Steve Forbes jr.
Entertainers:
Stephen Colbert
John Lennon
Paul McCarthy
just to name a few…
BTW Timothy McVeigh – all American soldier – came from a middle class two parent family…
“He’s a conglomeration of all the TV dads of the early 60s. Ward Cleaver, Jim Anderson, Dr. Alex Stone, Martin Lane to name a few.”
Geez! You DO realize those TV dads were actors portraying characters, don’t you? But since you brought it up, Paul Ryan reminds me of Eddie Haskell.
And just in case you didn’t know, Patty Duke played both cousins in The Patty Duke Show. There weren’t really two identical cousins.
Also, most of the ‘Lassies’ were male dogs.
“It was also highly offensive to see the inferior man make aggressive movements toward Romney.”
It was funny as hell to see Romney switch directions and start walking AWAY from Obama.
“inferior man make aggressive movements toward [a white man]. It’s like coming at your boss. You just don’t do that. [A black man] really hasn’t earned the right to stand on the same stage as [a white man], let alone talk and act disrespectfully towards him. It was just way out of place.”
—————
That could well be a quote from a KKK Imperial Wizard or a KKK Grand Dragon of the 1860s, the 1920s, or the 1950s – 1960s.
“President Clinton
President Obama…”
No one wants to be like them…
“Gold medalists:
Michael Phelps”
One gold ‘medalists’?!? The pot smoker??
“Secretaries of State:
Alexander Haig Jr. ”
Ehh..okay…
“Businessman:
Steve Forbes jr.”
Explain how he was raised in a single-parent family???
“Entertainers:
Stephen Colbert
John Lennon
Paul McCarthy”
Hahahahaha… are you kidding me?
Everyone knows marijuana is a gateway drug…..to 19 gold medals.
Shrill, what single-family household was Steve Forbes Jr. raised in again?
As gdad likes to say… “Crickets” from Shrill on this one.
I think Shrill may be obama’s campaign manager… making things up like crazy.