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I couldn’t resist sending this link in.
I hear Obama won by 47%.
STOP FIGHTING, START FIXING!
I’d be lying if I said I was happy today. I’d also be lying if I said I was one bit surprised by the results.
I have only one thing to say today…
Thank God that’s over!
Hi guys. We just got in, so I’m pretty exhausted. Good job to the socialist airlines system in Africa for getting us here two days late. Good thing we voted early.
I see the DJIA is going to hell. Down 200 already, so nice going. But the nice thing is you leftwingers get to put up with four more years of misery along with the rest of us. Me? I don’t recognize my state anymore. I think we’re going to close it down.
It was ironic seeing Griffith celebrate his 9th district victory in Bristol. He’s spent so little time in far SW Va in his two years of Tea Party representation. I wonder if he’ll manage to spend a full day down there any time before the next election cycle. Those coal mining families really gulped his bait well both elections. Other than cashing checks from Big Coal corporate executives, what’s he done for two years?
With Dan’s permission I will repost my post from the other thread:
The GOP/TP will spin this loss and assign fault to Obama’s “negative campaign”, the “liberal media”, the “handouts” all the “takers” will be getting etc. But a sober look at the demographics is sobering. In a nutshell, the GOP/TP base is old, rich, white men. He lost the women’s vote and all ethnic minorities. He lost the under 40 vote and he lost to the under $50k/yr. vote. My son commented that Romney’s speech last night looked as if it was attended by his friend’s from his country club. When I attended Clinton’s rally here I was struck by the diversity of the audience. When I saw pictures of Romney rallies I saw nothing but white faces. Clearly the GOP/TP needs to expand its base which would mean a softening of its strident views on women’s issues, low taxes on the rich, health care and safety net issues. This is no longer a country that is dominated by the wishes of the WASP vote. The sooner the GOP realize that the better for them and this country. I think they do but somehow cannot find a way to allow themselves to do it.
The Republicans are marginalizing themselves, or it looks that way to me. In an increasingly diverse country, they seem stuck on the notion that “Rich white guys rule, everyone else drools.” I don’t know what our future leaders will look like, but if we are lucky, they will mirror the increasingly diverse pool of citizens. The GOP can either get on board with it, or become a persistent minority party. Actually, I hope they wake up.
This actually relates to an older thread regarding MMGW. BobH kept repeating “follow the money,” so I thought I would provide a link to a graphic to help him with that.
The stock market is down. Why?
The Dow trading below 13,000 for the first time since early August as stocks took cues from Europe’s debt crisis and the dollar.
” Is it due to President Barack Obama’s victory as the media headlines claim? Or are investors reacting to developments overseas? European Central Bank President Mario Draghi warned that Germany, the continent’s largest economy, is no longer insulated from the eurozone troubles; stock futures tumbled after that comment.”
Romney, Ryan, Akin, Mourdock, Walsh, Allen, Brown–
Next season’s line-up on DWTS.
Now, starting today, everyone, regardless of political affiliation or religion or wealth level, needs to roll up their sleeves and work together for the good of the country. Not for a party or to win some future election, but for the country and its people.
Let the blaming begin.
The world is full of Suzies. If she doesn’t return, some wingnut will surely take her place. There seem to be a couple of folks trying desperately to take her place on this blog already.
She may even re-incarnate as someone new if Dan doesn’t catch her.
I, for one, don’t miss having to scroll past her comments.
I think if you look at which specific stocks are down, it is apparent what the market is reacting to. Energy, healthcare, banking and defense are all falling. Those are the industries that suffer under Obama’s policies. It will likely level out in a day or two but look for another plummet in December if Congress and the President can’t engage in a more cooperative effort.
To all that doubted the accuracy – or lacked the understanding – of polling aggregation, I have a quote from Jay-Z:
“Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t.”
Hopefully this election puts that tired debate to bed.
As for Republicans, your party has been derailed by the tea party express (ie. the crazy train). Your only hope for relevancy in the coming years is to drop your archaic social views. If I were a conservative, I would be terrified at the polling data regarding youth and minorities.
You will never win with the Hispanic population if you force them to prove their legitimacy. You will never win with women if you wish to control their reproductive health. You will never win with youth if you attempt to control their sexual relationships. And you certainly won’t win with blacks if you don’t even attempt to reach out to them.
The tea party is over. Please turn in your tri-corner hat at the door. And good riddance.
And just in case they didn’t get last night’s memo – the religious right is dead. Thank God.
Comment by Suzie — November 7, 2012 @ 11:03 am
She’s already back Alfred!
Thanks for the link. I have already heard some of these on TV, and read others.
On the Kaine-Allen race from the Washington Post:
“We made a few assumptions early on,” Kaine adviser Mo Elleithee said election night. “We said a positive message might actually work. . . . The other side, very early in this campaign, made a strategic decision that they were going to be running against President Obama and trying to link Tim Kaine to the president. They lacked any forward-looking approach.”
I also remember somebody on this very blog predicting that Kaine was automatically toast simply because he spoke at the Democratic Convention.
Romney lost in every state in which he owns a home or claims residency – NH, CA, MA, UT, MI
VP pick, Paul Ryan, didn’t deliver Wisconsin.
John Boehner didn’t deliver Ohio.
Eric Cantor didn’t deliver Virginia.
And as of this moment, Marco Rubio hadn’t delivered Florida.
Mitch McConnell [we-want-to- make-Obama-a-one-term- president] didn’t deliver the Senate nor deliver the defeat to have the President serve on term …
Ummm,.. evidently lying to win is not a career path.
A commenter wrote: “I see the DJIA is going to hell. Down 200 already, so nice going.”
OK, we’ll compare apples to apples:
DJIA closings after Election Day
DJIA close Nov 8, 2000: 10,907.06 Source: http://bit.ly/RJ47vz
DJIA close Nov 3, 2004: 10,137.05 Source: http://bit.ly/RJ4d6n
DJIA close Nov 5, 2008: 9,139.27 Source: http://bit.ly/RJ4Htd
DJIA close Nov 7, 2012: 12,933.12 Source: http://on.mktw.net/RixDbB
Hmmm…it appears that the DJIA is *higher* after Obama’s re-election than even when W was re-elected in 2004, and even more so when W was elected (presumably) the first time.
Correction: the DJIA’s close today is 12,932.73.
#17: “the religious right is dead” comment by Hootiefish
Much as I wish it were so, I think that feeling persecuted is so central to radical religious identity that they might receive a boost from these results.
Is Virginia ready to return a bully to the governor’s mansion?
Congratulations to the victors in yesterday’s elections; so glad they are over; (now we can look forward to non-stop toy ads instead of political ads)
I sincerely hope the leadership of the country will now work together in solving the great problems that confront our nation. I was, somewhat, concerned when listening to Reid suggesting a “mandate” and I hope that is not the beginning of continued partisan bickering on “small issues”. However, I did like his suggestion that the “filibuster” return to it’s true definition and make senators stand on the floor 24/7 to invoke.
On another note: obama owes Bill Clinton big time, he was unquestionably obama’s greatest asset since the convention. Should Hillary desire to run in 2016, obama has no choice but to support her (assuming she is not the “fall person” for the Benghazi fiasco; my guess is that the “fall person” will be Panetta or Petraeus ).
However, assuming the leaders do work to together and that the economy actually improves, which I sincerely hope happens; Hillary will be a force.
Particularly with Bill’s charisma and assuming obama can hold the black vote for her (which I see no reason he can’t) the R’s next realistic shot might be 2020.
Again, congratulations to the winners…
I gotta agree with mikeO that Obama owes Bill Clinton, big time. Big big big time. And Clinton will collect.
But I don’t necessarily see that debt as something negative. I honestly think Clinton has the interests of this country in his heart.
To which bully do you refer, Warren?
#13 Now, starting today, everyone, regardless of political affiliation or religion or wealth level, needs to roll up their sleeves and work together for the good of the country. Not for a party or to win some future election, but for the country and its people.
Excellent post Graycie.
275 comments on the blog so far today — and it’s not even 6 p.m.!
Well if Bedford didn’t already look like nuts with that whack job local GOP official, one of the stores there closed today to “mourn” the election results. What bunch of cry-baby boodlers.
To Bedfords credit, WDBJ reports that most if the people they talked too were embarrassed by the signs and would do business at Lyons Jewelers anymore.
Frank, you got your ears on, buddy?
I was just wondering how that whole “Hook, line and sinker” thingie in Wisconsin worked out? Get back to me, pal.
Anywho, maybe after your ass stops hurting from the self-administered spanking you can start apologizing for making an ass out of yourself.
I blamed Gore’s Los in great measure to the fact that he distanced himself completely from Clinton when campaigning. As flawed as Clinton is, he’s warm, genuine, and has enough charisma to spare.
My feeling is what it was a year ago. Clinton wants back in the White House, and in 4 years he’s calling in that note.
Anybody heard from Nugent? Is he in jail or dead?
Re: Comment by graycie — November 7, 2012 @ 12:52 pm
Unfortunately, I doubt that I’ll live to see the day.
Actually, Frank, once you heal up enough to sit down again I think you and (door)matt should buy me a beer or three to try and make amends for making idiots of yourselves in the last few months. You two managed to drag the collect IQ here down about 15% since your arrivals here and have caused me to wear out about 15 right side shoes against your asses. What the hell am I supposed to do with fifteen perfectly good left shoes, throw them all at George Bush?
Anyone have a fix or an estimate on the voter turnout?
I keep reading about the significant record-breaking turnout.
As best I remember the 2008 count was a bit over 131M.
The numbers for this year, so far, look to be around 112M. Sure, there are still votes to be reported.
But will there be enough to be a significant increase as a % of population?
2012 Presidential Election Numbers: 7 Things You May have Missed
By Michael Flood McNulty, Wed, November 07, 2012
The magical 270 was the number most people cared about last night — grab that many electoral votes and you win the White House — but if you dig deeper into the presidential election results, you may find some interesting tidbits of information.
Anybody heard from Nugent? Is he in jail or dead?
Comment by Contrasuzie — November 7, 2012 @ 7:22 pm
https://twitter.com/TedNugent – he blasted off for a couple of hours and then went silent. I presume Nuge Rage overwhelmed his tweeting capacity.
It’s the Stimulus, Stupid
Why Obama won reelection when virtually every other incumbent in the West has been bounced from office.
BY JAMES TRAUB | NOVEMBER 7, 2012
It’s been a rough couple of years for incumbents around the world. In May 2010, Britain’s ruling Labour Party got walloped by the Conservatives, losing 91 seats while the Tories picked up 97; Prime Minister Gordon Brown gave way to David Cameron. In February 2011, Ireland’s ruling Fianna Fail won barely 15 percent of the vote, and was replaced by a coalition of rival parties. In June, Portugal’s Socialists were routed by the center-right Social Democrats. In November, Spain’s People’s Party crushed the ruling Socialists, winning the biggest parliamentary majority in 30 years. Earlier this year, Socialist Francois Hollande upended Nicolas Sarkozy in France. The leaders of Italy and Greece were forced out of office in favor of technocrats.
But yesterday, in case you missed it, Barack Obama not only beat Mitt Romney, but his party either held its own or picked up seats in the Senate.
It is hardly possible to overstate the tidal force of the global economic crisis on the politics of the West. Nearly every incumbent who ruled during this period has been ousted — the left by the right, the right by the left. And, in most cases, the margins were of historic dimensions. Of course there were local factors: the utter contempt with which so many French voters had come to regard Sarkozy, the British weariness with Brown’s grim visage. But it’s hardly surprising that the worst economic crisis in 70 years brought down the men who presided over it. And whatever else may be said of Obama’s re-election, we need to regard it in this extraordinary light.
For or against. Happy or distraught. IMHO, one must acknowledge that President Obama’s re-election was extraordinary in light of the rest of the west.
hey steve c,
yeah, Wisconsin set me up by the last 2 gubernatorial elections. my bad.
at least, Wisconsin is still run by a smart conservative guy who truly does have a mandate to govern.
now, little man, I suggest you get a grip on your hysterics about having one of your guesses actually come true.
hey you libs,
you know, it’s kinda bizarre to have seen bill clinton be one of the persons selected go around these last couple of days calling Mitt Romney a big liar. yeah, ….bill clinton. and I’m not referring to campaign flip-flops and moving-target budget remarks like Romney’s and obumee’s. i’m talking about the ol’ “look you all in the eye and righteously finger-wag LIE straight to your face”…kinda lie.
that is now ok. the behavior which led to the lie is ok. then the lie…is ok. then to go around calling another politician a liar about political stuff….is ok.
do any of you find that a bit surreal?
Interesting excerpts drawn from a Haaretz article (an Israeli progressive newspaper)…
Netanyahu will long remember the night between November 6 and 7, 2012, as the nightmare evening on which he suffered a caustic and humiliating political double loss. It began with Naftali Bennett’s election as the new chairman of the right-wing Habayit Hayehudi party and ended with President Barack Obama’s reelection and the defeat of Netanyahu’s old friend Mitt Romney…. Netanyahu gambled on Romney. Netanyahu’s bet did not come in. Netanyahu will pay the price…
Sheldon Adelson, the joint patron of Netanyahu, Romney and Israel Hayom, also placed a bad bet. Actually, one might have expected more from a man who made his fortune from casinos…
Having gotten through the U.S. elections, we can only wait for the overdue decision of two mothballed politicians, Ehud Olmert and Tzipi Livni. Will Obama’s election be the push they need to enter the ring?
(Olmert is now in the U.S….to deliver a major address at a Washington think tank,)
“hey steve c,
yeah, Wisconsin set me up by the last 2 gubernatorial elections. my bad.
at least, Wisconsin is still run by a smart conservative guy who truly does have a mandate to govern.
now, little man, I suggest you get a grip on your hysterics about having one of your guesses actually come true.”
He lives under the impression that the election of a governor is predictive, obviously of other statewide elections.
Could it be that the election of Bob McDonnell was an anomaly in post-2000 Virginia? AND, that THAT’S why since 2000, Virginia has elected more Democrats in statewide races than it has Republicans?
Good article on the subject of a number of comments:
Record-breaking number of Senate wins for women
By KATE NOCERA | 11/7/12 10:59 PM EST
Two decades after the original Year of the Woman, female candidates put on quite a sequel Tuesday night.
After wins by five women in Senate races, one of every five members of the chamber will be female come January. New Hampshire will soon have an all-women congressional delegation and governor. And 78 women are on track to be sworn in to the House in the 113th Congress, an all-time high.
In 1992, history was made when four female Senate candidates were elected, including Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer in California. The election of 2012 is bound to earn a chapter in the next edition of that book.
Netanyahu is having his feet held to the fire for his shortsighted and loudmouthed support of Romney. Anything that makes Metanyahu unhappy is fine by me.
Obama won. Bill Clinton could beat Romney today if he ran against him. We won, you lost, it’s far from surreal…it’s completely real.
An interesting quote I found yesterday.
“Few businessmen are capable of being in politics, they don’t understand the democratic process, they have neither the tolerance or the depth it takes. Democracy isn’t a business.”
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/malcolmfor151526.html#1yXiHv3DHCkQy5dR.99
Here’s another quote that should guide us as we move forward.
“Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future.”
John F. Kennedy
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnfkenn121400.html#0PAfra1reMDO49dy.99
I see that down on the Missisiippi campus they all but pulled out the white sheets and burning crosses Tuesday night.
Gdad, happened at Hampden Sydney too. Pathetic.
I wonder if those kids who rioted are feeling a bit put out because the university president is black?
(Kinda like their parents are feeling put out, because Romney lost big and took 2 million fewer votes than McCain 4 years ago.)
yes, that’s it dannyboy, it’s only about race. you guys are too much. buy another gallon of bammyaid
“Now, starting today, everyone, regardless of political affiliation or religion or wealth level, needs to roll up their sleeves and work together for the good of the country. Not for a party or to win some future election, but for the country and its people.
Comment by graycie — November 7, 2012 @ 12:52 pm”
tell it to the new king, oh he’s in burma while the drones are getting shot at by iran and won’t come clean about Libya…moochimama is getting ready for her next vacation..buying new thong to show off in public on that huge ass..yes y’all suuuuure picked a winner..
“yeah, Wisconsin set me up by the last 2 gubernatorial elections. my bad.”
Well, I guess this is a start, Frank, but I was kind of hoping for something more along the lines of “Hey, Steve C, I was wrong and you were right”. Alas, just as I promised, I’m going to take every opportunity to remind you what a clue hound you are and beat you over the head with it and there’s nothing you can do about it accept acquiesce to my intellectual superiority and submit to being my punching bag as long as you insist on returning for more abuse.
Frank, what distinguishes normal, run of the mill asshats from the short bus monitor all stars like yourself is your inability to tell the difference between a “guess” and an opinion based on months of observing polling data trends. Your “guess” was based on hope, as was most of the idiots on this board that seemed incapable of comprehending a two-colored pie chart graph. For some odd reason you clowns also coincidently disagreed with my insightful, well-reasoned and factual opinions. Guess what; you and your ilk got SPANKED!
I can’t tell you whether or not you can continue to hang around here, but I assure you that every opportunity I have to remind what a dunderhead you are will not be wasted. Every single time you log on and spout your hate infused nonsense you can count on me being there shortly to hook up the dog collar and dragging your mangy flea infested carcass out in the rain whether you like it or not just so you stop messing on the carpet in the living room. And you’re damn luckily I’m such a benevolent pet owner because everybody else would have “Taken frank out to live on a farm in country”. In a sense, Frank, I’m sort of like the Caser Millan of pet owners, only I own an uneducated hick with anger management issues. You’ve went way out of your way to earn my derision with your pre-election asinine proclamations and I see no reason why I shouldn’t be rubbing your nose in it every chance I get. And you can count on your ol’ buddy Steve C to do exactly that.
To the victor belong the spoils, Frank. Your ass is mine. I own you. Get used to it.
So I guess I can’t count on you and (door)matt treating me to a richly deserved “beer summit” then?
We’re not rubbing this in nearly as hard as we should. The Republicans went down in flames Tuesday, Citizens United epic fail, Republican voter suppression epic fail, Fox News epic fail, Tea Party epic fail, Karl Rove big-fat epic fail. Barack Obama is in the White House and Tim Kaine the Senate. Warren, Duckworth, McCaskill, Grayson, Brown, all winners. You witnessed the complete repudiation of the 2010 Republican “revolution.” The House stayed red because of Mr. Gerry Mander, not political ideology. The GOP must re-invent itself before the next election or become irrelevant. If you are a progressive, and even if you’re not, it was a great day for America.
hey stevie c,
oh, come on little man, is that all you’ve got…only three measly paragraphs? I hassled you for weeks, and THAT’s all you’ve got? Sheesh.
if I’d have known that I could enthrall you this much over just one state, I’d have thrown a couple more states your way. This is fun!
hey, stevie c, four years from now, Wisconsin will have even less union members, and will easily vote Republican! Your guy (it won’t be billary) will be toast!
oh, and your opinions ain’t squat.
hey ron may at post 8:53 a.m.,
…where were you hiding that JFK quote during obama’s first term?
…why pull it out now?
The House should flat out refuse any deal that contains tax hikes. They should demand the entire Bush tax cuts remain intact. Then they should go out and shout loud and long 0bama’s refusal to compromise will cause the economy to crash. The media will vilify the GOP anyway, so they might as well stick to their guns and do what is right.
Republicans should well understand by now they will be hammered no matter how “nice” they behave, but they don’t. We’ve done the last two presidential elections the GOP leadership’s way and lost. The Tea Party did it its way two years ago and won big. Let’s do it that way again. But I don’t have any confidence Boehner will do what needs done. Like Romney, he’s a decent guy, but a GOP company man who doesn’t want to offend On the debt ceiling he folded with a piar of aces. He’s already signaled he’ll cave again.
It’s time to get a Tea Party guy to lead the House who plays hardball and tells it like it is. Americans are ITCHING for somebody to tell them the unvarnished truth.
#56 Wow was that weak, Frankie wankie.
#53 Read up, pammie. At H-S and Mississippi, the students made it plain it WAS about race. What’s that, you say, racial epithets have nothing to do with race?
You are so, so stupid.
So no beers, Frank?
#52 BTW, pammie, tell us what you think it’s about when the H-S students show up at the Minority Student Union, shout racial slurs, and threaten physical violence. Tell us, pammalalaland. That wasn’t about race? What about when 400 Mississippi students yell racial slurs? Tell us why they did that, pammalala? Because they love African Americans?
Frank, since you totally screwed up Wisconsin, do you think it’s justified that I now nickname you “Cheddarbomb”? It was such a fitting name for Ryan but he’s going to be out of my line of fire for a bit, maybe forever, and I hate not using it; I really think that to honor the blessed event which was you totally screwing up one the most predictable states in the nation so badly you deserve this fine moniker for a while. What do you say, Frank? Does the crystal slipper fit your delicate little foot? Plop on down there and stick your foot up. Hmmm… Well, what do you know, it’s a perfect fit! Frank’s new virtual name is Cheddarbomb!
hey stevie, seriously, is that all you’ve got? even I think you’ve got more. c’mon, don’t stop now, keep it coming!
Frank, aren’t you the person who asked someone on here how old they were because you thought their behaviour was childish? Take a look in the mirror.
“…what distinguishes normal, run of the mill asshats from the short bus monitor all stars…”
Yep, there’s Alcoholic Steven, exploiting those who ride the “short bus” and using their plight as a way to insult others (again). Tsk tsk, little Stevie. Alcoholic Steven’s angry online persona can probably be deduced to one thing: check out that mug, man. Yikes. I’d be pissed off at the world, too. I guess that’s where all the booze comes in. It’s Stevie’s coping mechanism.
#66 So, maddie, are you just making a harmless joke and pretending that Steve C is an alcoholic? Is that comment meant to be absurd, based on the false premise that Steve C is an alcoholic? If so, why would you use the plight of alcoholics to insult others (again)?
Wow, gDUD. Talk about OCD. We both know we’ve already covered the difference between alcoholism and medical issues people are born with. Go aim your little pea-shooter at someone else’s ankles, because you’ve been getting owned all day, little man.
Personally, I hope the House takes Suzie’s stellar advice. I wan them in the wilderness as “The Party of No” for a long, long time.
Oh pammala, your jealousy and your ignorance are both showing. Pick up that lip and go scrub the toilets.
#68 Alcoholism is a disease, maddie. Hate to have to educate you like this about something so simple, but there it is.
And just for the record, Steve c’s not an alcoholic. And he won’t be no matter how many times matt claims he is.
Guys, I’m getting a little tired of this incessant bickering. Funny, over-the-top, creative insults is one thing. That’s a subgenre in the low art of parody. But tit-for-tat bickering is not.
I let the childish little pr–k suck me into a pissing contest on another thread that lasted for several days. Won’t happen again. It’s time for us adults in the room to start ignoring his adolescent attempts at humor .. Like Suzie, being ignored will be tough on his ego.
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