And the ‘We Want to Secede’ movement carries on . . .
Does anyone truly believe that if Romney had won the election that people who had voted for Obama would be gathering secession petitions?
No, they don’t. And it’s not because they don’t oppose a lot of the things Romney stood for. It’s because they’re not idiots.
This whole secession “movement” is simply an outgrowth of a lot of the foolishness that’s been going on in this country since 2009.
It is the SAME foolishness, by the way, that fooled the right wing into believing, with a certainty that bordered on utter insanity, that Romney was going to win the election. Because “as everybody knew” the “polls were biased in favor of Obama.” Not.
And do you think it’s any coincidence that these fools feel it necessary to secede from a country led by an elected black man?
For a large part of that constituency, it’s not.
November 13, 2012 - 1:06 PM
Hey nitwits…you know how you “secede”? Take a page from Romney and commit “voluntary secession” – get on a plane and leave. Buhbye!
They won’t leave though….they’ll just keep teasing us.
Your right. The libs would never want to secede if Romney had won. They have become dependent on receiving the fruits of other people’s labor.
The right wants to secede so that all of those who look to the govt for a check (now a majority of America) can all live in one country and all of those who believe in depending on their families and church (not govt) can live in another.
The sight of all the libs trying to get money out of other libs would be very entertaining.
Thank goodness that at least so far Virginia is NOT one of the states represented in those idiotic petitions.
Five genrations ago, Virginia was split. I don’t know why it seems so out of the realm of reason to think it could happen again. 1607, 1776, and 1861 were big shake-ups for America; I don’t think it’s a matter of if, but only when.
Hi Dan,
Similar petitions were filed after the 2004 presidential election, which of course was won by George W. Bush. While I don’t know for sure, it would be a reasonable guess to say these were filed by Democrats.
terps, welcome back!
What’s you’re overlooking, of course, is that the highest concentrations of idiots who want to secede are living in “taker” states. And by that I mean, they are living in states that enjoy a largesse of federal spending compared to the revenue the federal government gets from them.
We could probably reduce spending a lot by cutting loose those states!
Funny, the GOP used to be the party of NO, now they are just the party of stupid.
Once the federal government yanks the billions of dollars represented by the huge military installations in the seceding states, there won’t be much left.
Dan@ 2:15
terps never let a little thing like facts get in his way. And I’m sure he’s not thinking very clearly today, sincfe he’s still in a state of depression and taking all those meds for it. So give him a break. But be sure to collect on your bets!
I guess this is another reason they want to “secede”. Obama is a “Dictator” having issued “923 Executive Orders in 40 months”! Apparently more than any president going back to Teddy Roosevelt!
http://sergesblog.blogspot.com/2012/10/executive-orders-obama-dictator.html
That would be truly terrible indeed, if it were true, which it is not! In reality Obama’s actual number of executive orders, totaling 138, have been issued at a rate lower than George W. Bush, Clinton, Geo. H. W. Bush, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Eisenhower, Truman and FDR. Of recent (relatively) only Ford and JFK issued them at a lower rate.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiveorders.asp
Now the author of this drivel apparently did retract his allegation but the problem is this viral stuff stays just that, viral. Someone just sent it to me today as proof of what a terrible President and “dictator” Obama has been. I guess if I lived in a world where facts meant nothing and I believed every email forward which validated my already skewed opinion I would want to secede as well.
Terps is back. Surprised he would want to wallow with “scum” like us…
I thought we settled this whole succession thing in the 1860′s. It is often referred to as the War of Northern Agression…..
Even the thought of secession, no matter by whom, is counter to the basic tenets of a Democracy where supposedly the majority rules but the minority is given the opportunity to have another go at it in another four years and really another two? What would this country be like if there was some form of secession after every election? Of course anyone has the full right to leave if they wish. This world is filled with U.S. expats of all stripes.
terps owes me 2 lunches. He called me the other night and said I better get them fast, before he goes broke because of all the tax increases that he believes are headed his way.
Photo credits? Curious if it’s an in-house ‘shop or a found photo already altered. (And why Photoshop the text? There’s probably a zinger of a sign out there that’s SFW.)
If people of certain states are thinking about leaving America, someone should call up the European nations who had colonies and settlements in those states and see if they want back their little lost lambs. I wonder how Rick Perry would feel about answering to the drug cartels running Mexico instead of the black man running the United States.
The Romney/Ryan Administration…terps didn’t build that!
I’ve no concerns about the ‘secessionist movement’. Just like the tea party, these people have such an overwhelming ignorance (lack of knowledge for you knee jerkers about to respond) of Constitutional law that it is laughable. These are the same type of people who ‘swore’ they would move out of the country the first time Obama won, and the second time Obama won. They’re … well… ‘Suzie’ type people. Ones who lie about their status and lie about their predicted actions and lie about pretty much all they can, all out of their ignorance & bigotry.
Let the secessionists blather on, and if a federal marshal ever visited their house, they’d wet their pants and run to phone the ACLU lawyers whose lawns they burned crosses upon…
Pirengle,
It’s a public domain shot from Wikimedia Commons, taken at a tea party rally long ago. I changed the text.
Oh for the love of God in Heaven, now “the majority of America” looks “to the govt for a check”! You people so deserved to lose and to do so over and over and over and over.
“Oh for the love of God in Heaven, now “the majority of America” looks “to the govt for a check”! You people so deserved to lose and to do so over and over and over and over.”
I want my check! My tax refund check, in March!
Elizabeth Warren’s victory is a victory for the right of terps’ children to repeat what they’ve been told by their parents about their heritage.
Of course, terps might be lying and telling them that they have nothing but western Europeans in their past, since he probably also told them that Romney and Rayn were self made bootstrappers who overcame a total lack of advantages in life and a history of oppression based on their ethnicity.
Hey Scott Brown, show terps your tits! (Oh wait, you already did…)
Secession is one thing, but this is just a little over the top. It’s the kind of thiong I would expect from pammalalal, SDuzie, or maybe Colorado Max
http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-woman-runs-down-husband-car-not-voting-045426220.html
Kristen,
On your #1 post when you said get on a plane….you forgot to include Romney’s thinking…..”don’t forget to open the window”…..
Dave, that is absolutely hilarious.
The Republicans want to secede because Romney did not succeed. Newt will have his moon colony for you. Romney probably wants to go with you so he want have to pay taxes on the moon. You might want to see Carl Rove to finance your trip.
E.Duane…right, good catch!
Dan,
Re: “And do you think it’s any coincidence that these fools feel it necessary to secede from a country led by an elected black man?”
Why is it necessary to couch, virtually, every issue where people disagrees with this administration as a “race” issue?
The Declaration of Independence is an interesting and forceful document which lays out a broad understanding that a free American people should expect from their “government”. Including an interesting list of specifics, which when understood by today’s expressions, we would find examples where some may bolster one side of our political beliefs and some the other.
Personally, I find one of the most important portions is:
“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, … evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”.
Have we encountered a “long train of abuses and usurpations”? It would be hard to argue the opposite.
But it did not start with obama; and I believe that “prudence” does not yet “dictate” a complete change; and it will probably not happen in my lifetime.
However, should we continue on our current path, the constitution lays the groundwork for the process of change and “We the People” are ultimately responsible for the government under which “we” choose to live.
All, should support these folk’s “right” to express their dissatisfaction.
That said; and lest you peg me with another “diatribe” comment; I will end as I started… it is unfortunate that you make this a “race” issue.
We have become more of a “melting pot” in the last 20 years than in any time in our history. It is only the “extremes” (on both sides) that still hold your view; do you really want to be a part of that?
mikeO
Fyi, it’s interesting because the last time there was a large-scale movement for secession, race had a little bit to do with it. Back then it was whether one race should be able to own people of another.
How soon we forget. . .
So Dan, what’s the problem with letting the states secede? You just said that a lot of money could be saved.
Or did you realize how many non-whites were recieving government money in those very states? Lol!
How do you like living in the black section of Roanoke? Since color is irrelevant to you, one would think that a courageous celebrity like yourself would lead by example. You know, for all the hateful, ignorant, fearful, white people who like living around other whites. You could show through your actions that huge amounts of diversity is a wonderful thing.
Do you only like diversity from a distance?
and on cue, speaking of a “race issue”
If you want to get a glimpse from where RWers get their “ideas” and terminology we all too frequently are assaulted with through their parroting here on Dan’s blog – from WorldNetDaily
“Americans of faith and those who believe in capitalism and hard work as the means to achieve, not “Atlas Shrugged”- portrayed government handouts, have now seen their country taken over largely by uneducated and lazy morons, goons and thugs who want to dismantle all our Founding Fathers conceived of and fought for. And, their hateful Marxist desire to destroy Western civilization is not limited to the “Great Satan,” the United States, but to its biblical Judeo-Christian roots, embodied in the nation of Israel. With no racial slur intended, but only to employ the same lingo used sarcastically by many of Obama’s supporters to describe their past plight, if we do nothing and simply look to future elections to restore the nation, we will soon become the “new niggers,” relegated to the back of the bus – as the bus speeds away to quickly fall over the fiscal, social and moral cliff.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/god-has-a-bigger-plan/
The above invectives sound familiar? All that is missing is the oft spoken “maggots” and “moochers” by RWers, no?
Well done mikeo, nothing but a cop out response from the blog admin after a well said posting. A rather ignorant rebuttal.
I survived eight long years of George W. Bush. Suck it up, losers.
Mike O, I can see that you, like a lot of your compatriots just cannot see what we see. You are all too happy to believe your right wing hype about how awful Obama is and what awful things he has done, what an awful mess he has made of everything and what an awful President he is. We, on the other hand, having lived through Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and both Bush regimes see that Obama is not at all what you folks say, has not done the things you accuse and has not made things worse by any real measure. What that leaves us with is the obvious, to us. From the disrespect to his name, the comments on his birth, his attire, his grades, his breaks, his vacations, his family, his appearance and the fact that such petty ill-mannered insults seem incredibly racist. You may deny it till your fingers are numb, it is what we see and it is what we call.
Actually, Virginia has ~3,400 signatures.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-virginia-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/pBLTRmfR
If a large group of seniors who are on Social Security and Medicare are among those who secede, it will amount to budget cutting. If they don’t want to be a part of the country, then they no longer receive benefits. I’m sure the wealthy in their “new country” will take care of them. Being the compassionate conservatives that they are.
Sneeches, obviously you don’t know my neighborhood. Otherwise you wouldn’t have posted such a sneering comment.
Would you people that want to secede please hurry up others need your jobs.
Jack, welcome back! Did you sign?
Don,
What makes you think that if a state secedes that all of its citizens will quit working and relinquish their jobs to someone else?
Dan,
I won’t comment on whether or not I signed, but I will say I am very interested in seeing the responses from the White House. I’m sure Obama is wishing at this point that he hadn’t created that site and made those promises.
In any case, Texas, last I looked, was at about 80,000 of the 25,000 they need for a response. Louisiana was beyond 25,000 and Florida was 300 short, but I’m sure they have them now.
Several other states were between 3,000 and 4,000 away from the number needed.
Like I said, I’m really interested in seeing the responses.
“iI survived eight long years of George W. Bush. Suck it up, losers.”
No kidding. When people proclaim that Obamas reelection means the end of the US, I point out that if it survived 8 years of that, it can survive anything.
Obama by now has plenty of experience ignoring nut cases.
Actually, Virginia has ~3,400 signatures.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-virginia-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/pBLTRmfR
Comment by Jack — November 13, 2012 @ 7:15 pm
3,600 (with a stated goal of 25,000) signatures out of 8.1 million citizens. Exactly what do the writers and signatories of this petition think they’ll accomplish with less than 0.01% of the population in agreement with them?
These are nothing more than vanity petitions. The people who write these are the same people who quit their jobs and think that the company is just going to go out of business without them.
Go ahead and sign your petition, guys. When it’s done, you can see that you’re part of a contingent so tiny that it can’t even be considered a fringe element. Talk about an exercise in futility. It’s a little sad.
“I won’t comment on whether or not I signed, but I will say I am very interested in seeing the responses from the White House. I’m sure Obama is wishing at this point that he hadn’t created that site and made those promises.
In any case, Texas, last I looked, was at about 80,000 of the 25,000 they need for a response. Louisiana was beyond 25,000 and Florida was 300 short, but I’m sure they have them now.
Several other states were between 3,000 and 4,000 away from the number needed.
Like I said, I’m really interested in seeing the responses.”
–Comment by Jack
Jack,
There are 25 million people in Texas. In other words, less than one-third of 1 percent of the population has signed the petition. Like they should be able to make policy for the rest of the state. For goodness sakes, three-tenths of 1 percent of the population believes the world is flat. Why should anyone care about that? (Except to increase education funding in the Lone Star State)
That’s a JOKE, man. And, it’s on them. At the risk of being accused of being “an elitist” I would ask: Why should Obama pay attention to such a tiny, turdish minority? What do you want him to do? Fly over the state in Air Force One, pulling a banner that says, “Too bad, dumb losers!”
Because Obama said that any petition that gets 25,000 signatures in 30 days will get a response from the White House. I’m not saying it’s a really big thing or a large percentage of the population, only that is enough to meet the threshold for Obama to respond.
He is the one that picked the 25,000 number when he was pretending to be a transparent president.
Oh, and it’s actually 181 people that make policy for the rest of the state of Texas, by the way.
Cool; President Obama was obviously inspired by President Lincoln and now he’ll be able to drive a bunch of redneck hicks into the ocean, burn down their houses, salt their fields and rescue their wives and children from an impoverished existence just like Lincoln did!
Rave on, rednecks. Hint; the south will not be rising again this year.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/south-postpones-rising-again-for-yet-another-year,377/
“The Deep South states of Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, Louisiana, and Tennessee consistently rank at the bottom of the nation in a wide variety of statistical categories, including literacy, infant mortality, hospital beds, toilet-paper sales, and shoe usage.”
More proof, as if any was needed, that some people have too much time on their hands. “Look at me, I am an idiot” is the only statement any name on those petitions makes. And guess what? We already knew that.
“These are nothing more than vanity petitions”
J.M., that’s true, but I predict that before long the tinfoil hat patriots will declare that the secession registry is being tracked for use as a drone target list. So, please, secessionists, hurry up and sign!
Birthers 2.0. Nothing like a black president to shine a light on the nut jobs.
“He is the one that picked the 25,000 number when he was pretending to be a transparent president.”
I’m sure somebody put that on the White House website. But Jack, my man, do you really believe it was Obama? I assure you he is concerned with more important things. (It’s unlikely your issue with free papers in your driveway ever got to the level of publisher of The Roanoke Times, too, btw).
More likely it was a summer intern from Swarhtmore. The number 25,000 seems like a lot to them. They only have 1,500 students, after all.
Even Rick (lets do away with the Department ..the Department…those Departments I mentioned and the others I cant remember) Perry is against
Secession. I guess.
He claimed to have been joking about it before.
Maybe he was…but there many amongst us that are willing to go out
and build a platform before they themselves realize that it (they)
was (were) a joke.
It went from joke to story ..story to hmmm..into the ears of the SOA..
(Suzies of America) To by God lets do it.
The original Joke is back in Texas. Maybe he will take you all in South of Abiline to Alpine.
He is electable here you know.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/secession-petitions-gain-steam-article-1.1201439
What’s you’re overlooking, of course, is that the highest concentrations of idiots who want to secede are living in “taker” states. And by that I mean, they are living in states that enjoy a largesse of federal spending compared to the revenue the federal government gets from them.
We could probably reduce spending a lot by cutting loose those states!
To which we respond, for the 100th time, that the achievers in the blue states are NOT the dumbassed liberals, and the takers in the red states are NOT the conservatives. Holy hell, am I interrupting a Stupid Liberals revival?
I’m with Terps. It would be funny watching the liberals trying to extract money from liberals after the breadwinning conservatives left.
Yeah, we should wait until 0bama guts the military. Then he won’t be able to stop us from leaving.
This secession idea is sounding better and better. Kristen has predicted there would be a revolution. She just got the side wrong.
Dan,
Of course I don’t think that Obama made the website himself. But it was he who promoted it.
In any case, I don’t think I have much more to say about it. I think it’s pretty funny.
Wait a sec…this thing could have huge ramifications; what happens if I catch Jethro the Dodo or another bird brained secessionist making a break for the border? Do I get to keep him in my basement and make him mow my grass all summer? Because if that’s the rules than this thing is on!
Is it fair to bait the VA/NC border with a 12’er of Natty Lite on raceday or do I have to be more sporting?
#34 It must have started after I last looked, Jack. Sorry to hear it.
Well folks, there’s now a petition in response to the secession petitions. This one asks Obama to strip the citizenship of any person who signs the secession petitions and peacefully deport them. Sounds fair to me. After all, these folks don’t want to be Americans any more.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
What a great way to solve our immigration problem! Let all those hard working folks who want to be. Americans stay . And send all the petition signing peckerheads to Mexico !
Holy hell I now think suzie is my aunt, she says the same things my aunt says. That only republicans have jobs, that literally no democrats have jobs, and she really believes that. Seriously how much LSD, crack, ect. ect. do you have to use to believe things like that.
If I find out suzie is my aunt will you all pray for me, cause lord knows I’d need it.
So much for the whiny ass “but I guess they forgot the rest of that Kennedy quote” losers!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/keep-united-states-united/ZfpkwtSZ
You would think, in a nation with real problems and people who believe they are real Americans, they would not behave like peckish 3-year-olds over an election loss. Obviously, you would be wrong.
Real Americans will sign the two petitions I linked to. You don’t deserve the title.
@gdad #59,
That is my favorite one. It’s the one where Americans want the government to deport other Americans and strip them of their citizenship for exercising their First Amendment rights.
No wonder you like it so much.
Here is another good one to sign:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL
#53 Repeat it all you like, suze. You repeated the claim that Romney would win in a landslide a million times and we saw how that worked out, eh?
#53 BTW, suze, when does that strategy involving the 10 Commandments case in Giles County kick in? Or when does the all-out MSM assault on Boeheim or Coach K start? Just curious.
Here’s a little historical perspective on the idea of secession in the U.S. Bottom line is we solved that problem in 1865.
http://www.historynet.com/secession
#63 I’m just making fun of all the dunderheads signing stupid petitions, Jack. I didn’t sign the secession ones OR the anti-secession one.
#63 And tell us, Jack, did you REALLY think the folks who started the petition I linked to wanted to strip people of their citizenship (HINT: The only sane answer to my question is “no”).
We should pick out some otherwise useless state (I have a few ideas), drop the “secessionists” into it, and wall it up. I’d love to see what it looked like in 5 years.
“We should pick out some otherwise useless state (I have a few ideas), drop the “secessionists” into it, and wall it up. I’d love to see what it looked like in 5 years.”
Nominations, anyone? I think they’d feel pretty comfortable in South Carolina.
California or New York.
Turns out, in addition to the petition you are referencing about Virginia, these two are going also (and maybe others):
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-commonwealth-virginia-withdraw-usof-americaand-create-its-own-self-government/R2BzGMPF
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-state-virginia-vote-peacefully-leaving-united-states/9b73XTSr
Wouldn’t it be something if multiple petitions split the tally sufficiently to prevent a response? They want to organize a new government, but aren’t organized enough to coordinate ONE petition?
I might sign this one as it appears to be getting some well deserved attention:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/endorse-johnny-manziel-also-known-johnny-football-2012-heisman-memorial-trophy-award/yJRHMzzB
Oh, and, Jack, the proper response from the WH would be something like a big Bronx cheer. Or maybe a quick moonshot.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union
Both California and NY produce more federal dollars than they suck up, so I guess without one of them the rest of the country would go broke AND starve. Fail.
In fact, the liberal states are all givers, which the “red states” are tax dollar consumers. Maybe it’s time for the red states to pull their weight before they get offloaded. It would do wonders for the bottom line.
Let’s see, if Texas secedes how soon do you think it will repay the rest of us taxpayers for the Interstate Highways we built for them. How about all the other infrastructure we taxpayers paid for Texas to have. Of course we will close the 18 active military installations in Texas. Texas, I’m sure would be ready to purchase back all the improvements on those installations. Of course we would have to relocate all the military personnel and their families from Texas to other U.S. military installations. All civilian personnel on those bases would be laid off. Texas would surely be prepared to handle all the unemployment and other financial support systems those now unemployed citizens would require.
I could go on, but I think you get my point.
gdad:
9.”Well folks, there’s now a petition in response to the secession petitions. This one asks Obama to strip the citizenship of any person who signs the secession petitions and peacefully deport them. Sounds fair to me. After all, these folks don’t want to be Americans any more.”
Spoken like a true subject who doesn’t support the colonists. Our forefathers would been hung if we lost. It’s amazing how few people keep that in mind or appreciate their risk and sacrifice that gave us Liberty and a First Amendment to protect gdad’s right to say this stuff.
Yes John Wilburn, our forefathers would have been hung if they had lost. That is where the very famous line from Ben Franklin comes in: “We must hang together, or surely we shall hang separately“.
People today have no sense of hanging together and every sense of personal greatness, personal importance and personal satisfaction.
Sandi:
“People today have no sense of hanging together and every sense of personal greatness, personal importance and personal satisfaction.”
“Hanging together” doesn’t mean that everybody should jump in the government’s wagon for the sake of togetherness. Had the brave rebellious colonists had that attitude, you wouldn’t have the freedom you enjoy today. Sadly, the value of that risk and sacrifice is almost completely lost on folks today.
Yes JohnW, our forefathers would have been hung if they’d lost, and these few nuts agitating for secession are risking exactly zero – except being pointed and laughed at. Please don’t compare the two groups.
The interstates were not built for the people, they were built for national security.
John Wilburn,
Don’tcha know, the First Amendment only applies once per person. After you exercise it, the liberals want you tossed from the country and stripped of your citizenship.
At least you get to use it once, though.
The interstates were not built for the people, they were built for national security.
Comment by Jack — November 14, 2012 @ 12:23 pm
And your point is??
Wouldn’t it be something if multiple petitions split the tally sufficiently to prevent a response? They want to organize a new government, but aren’t organized enough to coordinate ONE petition?
John W: That’s exactly why they don’t deserve to be compared with the founders of this country. They aren’t risking anything but ridicule and they know it. This is the equivalent of a temper tantrum because they didn’t get their way. The worst thing you can do when spoiled little brats are kicking and screaming in a fit is to pay attention to them. You either ignore it or you bust their asses and send them to their room. Since we can’t spank our petulant, unruly children anymore, our only option is to let them cry it out and pay them no mind. When they want to be a part of the national conversation, they can do it as mature adults.
Of course, “Hanging together” doesn’t mean that everybody should jump in the government’s wagon“. I never said it did. It is hardly only the government, or Obama that gets lied about, insulted and distorted on this blog or in this nation. You epitomize the “if you are not with me, you are against me” mentality every day (as do many others). Not against the government alone, but your fellow citizens. You know it too.
The “brave rebellious colonists” had no idea the government they would end up with when they went to their deaths in arms of that cause. They did not have the Constitution, two centuries of tradition, progress, achievement and ideals to back them up either. They were willing to hang together because that is what nations do.
If they had instead espoused YOUR attitude, none of us would have the freedom or security we enjoy today.
Sadly, the value of their risk and sacrifice is tarnished by those pretending it was all about personal freedom and individual accomplishment. It wasn’t. Not from day one and not now.
And the appropriate response from President Obama and the White House to the petitioners would be what?
1) send them a copy of the Constitution?
2) provide a copy or reference to http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-115 ?
3) add them to the no-fly list until they are determined not to be a terrorist threat
4) provide necessary paperwork to renounce US citizenship
5) Have their email addresses (and phone numbers) added to all the Democratic AND Republican (and other parties) contact lists
Thanks for the assist Jack!
Ron May in #76: Of course we will close the 18 active military installations in Texas.
Close them? There’s oil and refineries in Texas! We would have 18 Main Operating Bases in the Free State of Texas to provide a guaranteed flow of oil.
#86 Running into the Oval Office and shouting “Troll in the dungeon!” probably wouldn’t qualify as an appropriate response, would it? Pity.
J.M. White:
“That’s exactly why they don’t deserve to be compared with the founders of this country. They aren’t risking anything but ridicule and they know it. This is the equivalent of a temper tantrum because they didn’t get their way”
I agree that the petitions are vanity and fully realize that ridicule is all they’re risking… at this point. There very well may come a time when it gets more serious that this, though. We’ll see.
Sandi Saunders:
“If they had instead espoused YOUR attitude, none of us would have the freedom or security we enjoy today.”
YOUR naive attitude was far from coming about then. Anyone that had it was the last branch on that particular tree. Times are much easier now, so much so, that it has become a detiment to our population.
#90 “There very well may come a time when it gets more serious that this, though. We’ll see.”
Translation: BUY LOTS OF GUNS!!!!!!
Funny that Jack and John W both seem to think I was serious about stripping people of their citizenship. But when you advocate something really brainless like seceding, you deserve whatever ridicule you get.
Comment by Dave — November 14, 2012 @ 12:56 pm
Paid for, I’m sure by the generous citizens of the Free State of Texas.
“And the appropriate response from President Obama and the White House to the petitioners would be what?
1) send them a copy of the Constitution?”
If Obama knew there was a Constitution, maybe.
“4) provide necessary paperwork to renounce US citizenship”
Not everybody gets to do that. You have to submit a fee and paperwork, and then get permission from the government. If you’re a pretty decent contributor to the economy, etc. they may very will deny your request. And, no, you do not get your money back.
A friend of mine looked into the process and began it a few years ago.
Heck why threaten? If they had and balls theyd put a wall around their shack and declare it sovereign territory. Surely they don’t need permission from Obama to do that.
People with jobs don’t have enough time for this sort of idiocy. Someone has to pay the bills.
All those wishing to secede or leave the US should have this link forwarded to them…I encourage them to take this opportunity…
Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html
Jack, tell your friend that the planes fly every day. He’s free to go where he wishes.
All of this secession crap is just one big “Mooommmyyyyyyy!!! The black guy is still in the White Hooouuussseee.”. Please don’t start with the “race card” bit. Pretending the halfwits drooling about “succeeding” are capable of formulating actual constitutionally based rationales for seceding (none exist) is laughable.
Shrillary,
You still have to have your petition approved. The government can deny your petition to renounce your citizenship, especially if you are a significant contributor.
#53 Repeat it all you like, suze. You repeated the claim that Romney would win in a landslide a million times and we saw how that worked out, eh?
It was a lot like your prediction, Granddad.
I love you Kristen!
John Wilburn, I am a lot of things, most of which I freely admit, but “naive” is not one of them.
One thing we know is it’s the liberals who wouldn’t want secession. Despite all their clucking, they’re the ones who would fight it. They know if you separate conservatives and liberals, the liberals wouldn’t have any money. They need us. We sure as hell don’t need them.
So go away already and prove it!
Sandi:
“John Wilburn, I am a lot of things, most of which I freely admit, but “naive” is not one of them.”
That is and will remain arguable, except for real estate where it is well established that you are naive.
#99 Please provide quote after quote after quote after quote where I guaranteed Romney would win in a landslide.
Crickets.
You really are embarrassed at how badly you were sucked in by the right-wing talking head machine, aren’t you?
Sadly no John W, that is you. Mayhap it is a self-defense mechanism but you are certainly in denial about a lot of the dirt, the cheats and the manipulators but quick to blame the dupes.
I’m thinking I support at least seven of the libs in here. You don’t want to lose my money. Trust me.
Business owner kills himself because Obama was re-elected, write “F— Obama” on his will.
Is self-immolation next?
Suzie:
“106.I’m thinking I support at least seven of the libs in here…”
Translation = I’m thinking hubby supports at least eight of the bloggers here.
“Is self-immolation next?”
One can hope.
Re: Dan Casey @ 11:09 pm
Sounds like someone here, “anxiety medication Xanax and one for the schizophrenia medication Seroquel.”
Why would you need a tanning salon in Key West.
@Kristen: “Jack, tell your friend that the planes fly every day. He’s free to go where he wishes.”
Again, we find Kristen talking about something she knows nothing about. Yes, he can fly wherever he wants. That does not mean that he can renounce his citizenship.
You have to ask the government for permission. They do not always grant it.
#111 Maybe I can get this guy to finance my proposed AC business in Antarctica.
For your friend, Jack. You can forward this to him.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
The U.S. Code does, however, see some acts as creating the possibility of a loss of nationality. When you lose your U.S. nationality, you are no longer under the protection or jurisdiction of the United States. When the United States considers you to no longer be of U.S. nationality, it in effect considers you to no longer be a citizen. Note that these are things you can do that may force you to lose your citizenship. The law also says that these acts must be voluntary and with the intent of losing U.S. citizenship. The ways to lose citizenship are detailed in 8 USC 1481:
•Becoming naturalized in another country
•Swearing an oath of allegiance to another country
•Serving in the armed forces of a nation at war with the U.S., or if you are an officer in that force
•Working for the government of another nation if doing so requires that you become naturalized or that you swear an oath of allegiance
•Formally renouncing citizenship at a U.S. consular office
•Formally renouncing citizenship to the U.S. Attorney General
•By being convicted of committing treason
I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I see nothing about requiring “permission”.
You have to ask the government for permission. They do not always grant it.
Comment by Jack — November 15, 2012 @ 10:32 am
If you’re fully prepared to renounce your citizenship, permission from the country which you’re leaving is irrelevant. If your friend wants to leave, he is free to do so, though many means. To act like someone who wants to no longer be a part of this country is bound by the laws of said country is just ludicrous.
“I don’t respect your president. I don’t respect your laws. You can’t tell me what to do. I don’t want to be a part of your country anymore.”
“Tough. You have to stay.”
“Oh, okay. Guess I’ll go home then.”
Ridiculous. Just stop it. Your friend either didn’t really want to leave in the first place, or he’s a spineless imbecile. At the very least, he has no conviction. I’d suggest a book for him, though: “America – Love It or Leave It – So I Left” – by Adam Bilzerian. A very good read about the struggles one goes through when they renounce citizenship.
Some thoughts on the posturing about secession from one of my favorite libertarian legal thinkers, Eugene Volokh professor at UCLA School of Law and formerly clerked for Justice Sandra Day O’Connor on the U.S. Supreme Court & for Judge Alex Kozinski on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.
http://tinyurl.com/an2hn8q
I suspect our putative “secessionists” wouldn’t actually go anywhere, just stay here, driving on our roads, freeloading on our infrastructure. I’d think that if they’re all such awesome “job creators” and “producers” and “earners”, any number of countries would be competing to give them citizenship.
This is america: love it or leave it (secessionists)
I have started a petition @ whitehouse.gov in support of emigration reform to get the secessionists out of this great country before they mess it up. If you like this idea, please sign my petition. Thank you for your support!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/proclaim-united-states-america-love-it-or-leave-it-support-emigration-reform/LC4fH0wc
-Dave