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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/11/and-the-we-want-to-secede-movement-carries-on/#comment-263763</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is america: love it or leave it (secessionists)

I have started a petition @ whitehouse.gov in support of emigration reform to get the secessionists out of this great country before they mess it up. If you like this idea, please sign my petition. Thank you for your support! 
 
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/proclaim-united-states-america-love-it-or-leave-it-support-emigration-reform/LC4fH0wc
 
 
-Dave]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is america: love it or leave it (secessionists)</p>
<p>I have started a petition @ whitehouse.gov in support of emigration reform to get the secessionists out of this great country before they mess it up. If you like this idea, please sign my petition. Thank you for your support! </p>
<p><a href="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/proclaim-united-states-america-love-it-or-leave-it-support-emigration-reform/LC4fH0wc" rel="nofollow">https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/proclaim-united-states-america-love-it-or-leave-it-support-emigration-reform/LC4fH0wc</a></p>
<p>-Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/11/and-the-we-want-to-secede-movement-carries-on/#comment-240211</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect our putative &quot;secessionists&quot; wouldn&#039;t actually go anywhere, just stay here, driving on our roads, freeloading on our infrastructure. I&#039;d think that if they&#039;re all such awesome &quot;job creators&quot; and &quot;producers&quot; and &quot;earners&quot;, any number of countries would be competing to give them citizenship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect our putative &#8220;secessionists&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t actually go anywhere, just stay here, driving on our roads, freeloading on our infrastructure. I&#8217;d think that if they&#8217;re all such awesome &#8220;job creators&#8221; and &#8220;producers&#8221; and &#8220;earners&#8221;, any number of countries would be competing to give them citizenship.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hicks</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/11/and-the-we-want-to-secede-movement-carries-on/#comment-240188</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some thoughts on the posturing about secession from one of my favorite libertarian legal thinkers, Eugene Volokh professor at UCLA School of Law and formerly clerked for Justice Sandra Day O&#039;Connor on the U.S. Supreme Court &amp; for Judge Alex Kozinski on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.

http://tinyurl.com/an2hn8q]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts on the posturing about secession from one of my favorite libertarian legal thinkers, Eugene Volokh professor at UCLA School of Law and formerly clerked for Justice Sandra Day O&#8217;Connor on the U.S. Supreme Court &amp; for Judge Alex Kozinski on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/an2hn8q" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/an2hn8q</a></p>
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		<title>By: J.M. White</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/11/and-the-we-want-to-secede-movement-carries-on/#comment-240069</link>
		<dc:creator>J.M. White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;You have to ask the government for permission. They do not always grant it.

Comment by Jack — November 15, 2012 @ 10:32 am&lt;/i&gt;

If you&#039;re fully prepared to renounce your citizenship, permission from the country which you&#039;re leaving is irrelevant. If your friend wants to leave, he is free to do so, though many means. To act like someone who wants to no longer be a part of this country is bound by the laws of said country is just ludicrous.


&quot;I don&#039;t respect your president. I don&#039;t respect your laws. You can&#039;t tell me what to do. I don&#039;t want to be a part of your country anymore.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Tough. You have to stay.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Oh, okay. Guess I&#039;ll go home then.&quot;


Ridiculous. Just stop it. Your friend either didn&#039;t really want to leave in the first place, or he&#039;s a spineless imbecile. At the very least, he has no conviction. I&#039;d suggest a book for him, though: &quot;America - Love It or Leave It - So I Left&quot; - by Adam Bilzerian. A very good read about the struggles one goes through when they renounce citizenship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You have to ask the government for permission. They do not always grant it.</p>
<p>Comment by Jack — November 15, 2012 @ 10:32 am</i></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re fully prepared to renounce your citizenship, permission from the country which you&#8217;re leaving is irrelevant. If your friend wants to leave, he is free to do so, though many means. To act like someone who wants to no longer be a part of this country is bound by the laws of said country is just ludicrous.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t respect your president. I don&#8217;t respect your laws. You can&#8217;t tell me what to do. I don&#8217;t want to be a part of your country anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Tough. You have to stay.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, okay. Guess I&#8217;ll go home then.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ridiculous. Just stop it. Your friend either didn&#8217;t really want to leave in the first place, or he&#8217;s a spineless imbecile. At the very least, he has no conviction. I&#8217;d suggest a book for him, though: &#8220;America &#8211; Love It or Leave It &#8211; So I Left&#8221; &#8211; by Adam Bilzerian. A very good read about the struggles one goes through when they renounce citizenship.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/11/and-the-we-want-to-secede-movement-carries-on/#comment-240056</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For your friend, Jack. You can forward this to him.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

The U.S. Code does, however, see some acts as creating the possibility of a loss of nationality. When you lose your U.S. nationality, you are no longer under the protection or jurisdiction of the United States. When the United States considers you to no longer be of U.S. nationality, it in effect considers you to no longer be a citizen. Note that these are things you can do that may force you to lose your citizenship. The law also says that these acts must be voluntary and with the intent of losing U.S. citizenship. The ways to lose citizenship are detailed in 8 USC 1481:

•Becoming naturalized in another country
•Swearing an oath of allegiance to another country
•Serving in the armed forces of a nation at war with the U.S., or if you are an officer in that force
•Working for the government of another nation if doing so requires that you become naturalized or that you swear an oath of allegiance
•Formally renouncing citizenship at a U.S. consular office
•Formally renouncing citizenship to the U.S. Attorney General
•By being convicted of committing treason

I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re talking about. I see nothing about requiring &quot;permission&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For your friend, Jack. You can forward this to him.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html</a></p>
<p>The U.S. Code does, however, see some acts as creating the possibility of a loss of nationality. When you lose your U.S. nationality, you are no longer under the protection or jurisdiction of the United States. When the United States considers you to no longer be of U.S. nationality, it in effect considers you to no longer be a citizen. Note that these are things you can do that may force you to lose your citizenship. The law also says that these acts must be voluntary and with the intent of losing U.S. citizenship. The ways to lose citizenship are detailed in 8 USC 1481:</p>
<p>•Becoming naturalized in another country<br />
•Swearing an oath of allegiance to another country<br />
•Serving in the armed forces of a nation at war with the U.S., or if you are an officer in that force<br />
•Working for the government of another nation if doing so requires that you become naturalized or that you swear an oath of allegiance<br />
•Formally renouncing citizenship at a U.S. consular office<br />
•Formally renouncing citizenship to the U.S. Attorney General<br />
•By being convicted of committing treason</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re talking about. I see nothing about requiring &#8220;permission&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: gdad</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/11/and-the-we-want-to-secede-movement-carries-on/#comment-240051</link>
		<dc:creator>gdad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#111 Maybe I can get this guy to finance my proposed AC business in Antarctica.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#111 Maybe I can get this guy to finance my proposed AC business in Antarctica.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/11/and-the-we-want-to-secede-movement-carries-on/#comment-240046</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kristen: &quot;Jack, tell your friend that the planes fly every day. He’s free to go where he wishes.&quot;

Again, we find Kristen talking about something she knows nothing about. Yes, he can fly wherever he wants. That does not mean that he can renounce his citizenship.

You have to ask the government for permission. They do not always grant it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kristen: &#8220;Jack, tell your friend that the planes fly every day. He’s free to go where he wishes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, we find Kristen talking about something she knows nothing about. Yes, he can fly wherever he wants. That does not mean that he can renounce his citizenship.</p>
<p>You have to ask the government for permission. They do not always grant it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/11/and-the-we-want-to-secede-movement-carries-on/#comment-239945</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would you need a tanning salon in Key West.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would you need a tanning salon in Key West.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hicks</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/11/and-the-we-want-to-secede-movement-carries-on/#comment-239796</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  Dan Casey @ 11:09 pm

Sounds like someone here, &quot;anxiety medication Xanax and one for the schizophrenia medication Seroquel.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Dan Casey @ 11:09 pm</p>
<p>Sounds like someone here, &#8220;anxiety medication Xanax and one for the schizophrenia medication Seroquel.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Art Hill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/11/and-the-we-want-to-secede-movement-carries-on/#comment-239795</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;Is self-immolation next?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

One can hope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Is self-immolation next?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>One can hope.</p>
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