Bringing down the house on the Sunday OPEN thread
Shot by Dan
Former President Bill Clinton packed them in to the Patrick Henry High School auditorium Saturday evening.
A colleague who went to the Mitt Romney event Thursday told me there was no comparison, that Clinton brought out at least three times the crowd Mitt did.
And Clinton isn’t even a candidate!
He spoke for a little under an hour, to wild cheers, whoops and sustained applause. And like his Democratic National Convention speech, it was a great one. With humor, pathos and ultimate seriousness about Tuesday’s election, Clinton deftly and factually outlined the differences between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama. Few if any one who heard the ex-president could have possibly come away with the notion that a vote for the former was wise.
It seems pretty certain by now that Obama’s going to win the election. The question is, by how much? And will he take Virginia?
Shot by Dan
November 4, 2012 - 9:00 AM
Looking forward to seeing folks today. I know it’s dreary but I hope that won’t deter you guys from coming to our second Gonzo Gathering. Several folks can’t make it which is a shame, but if anymore of you out there want to tag along and meet each other in person, shoot me an email at misfitmiriam@gmail.com and I’ll let you in on the details of when and where. Don’t forget to set your clocks back!
Has anyone on here ever made this Winter sore throat tea? I made a mixture today amd I’m curious to se if it will jell.
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Thought I’d drop in and see what the current state of denial is for the Romney folk. Silver has Obama at a better than 80% probability, and a forecaster named Sam Wang with the Princeton Election Consortium (and who has a better record than Silver) has Obama at 98.2 (random drift) and 99.9 (Bayesian prediction).
Here’s a great article explaining why the recent herd of Silver critics are idiots: http://updates.deadspin.com/post/34780905169/nate-silvers-braying-idiot-detractors-show-that-being
I know just how this little girl feels. I’m sick of the election too.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/10/31/164030712/dear-little-girl-sorry-we-made-you-cry-about-bronco-bamma-and-mitt-romney?ft=3&f=111787346&sc=nl&cc=es-20121104
Jason, you can say all you want that Obama has it in the bag and whatnot. But remember, Dick Morris already has said it’d gonna be a landslide for Mitt, and that the GOP is gonna capture the Senate. Michael Barone says Romney will get 315 electoral votes to Obama’s 223. And UnskewedPolls.com’s Dean Chambers (with whom I spent more than an hour on the phone Friday night, btw) says it’s gonna be 311 Romney to 227 for O.
#1 Miriam, I had planned to be there but my tournament bowling time today got switched to 2 p.m. for reasons beyond my control. I hate missing the gathering.
what a bunch of sad looking people in the above photo. where’s all of the enthusiasm. looks more like they are attending obamas’ funeral
And don’t forget that Suzie has assured us of a Romney “landslide” too. How can the man lose?
Howdyshell,
Dan provided some pictures of purple haired, mohawked, tattooed, pierced crowd for you to rant about. He forgot to provide a picture of the drive-thru abortion clinic though.
Hahaha!!
I was there last night and was amazed at the size of the crowd. Clinton did not disappoint. The man is brilliant, invigorating and inspiring without being condescending or mean spirited. It made me wonder why if the TP/GOP blame Obama for the economic state we are in (and from which we are recovering) Romney does not do likewise and solicit the active campaign support of the last GOP President.
I know Dan, why should we trust “data”, “evidence”, “rigorous methodology” and that other geeky stuff. And we can’t trust Nate Silver because he’s skinny and has a high pitched voice*.
You are so lucky to have spent an hour talking to the Oracle.
#7 Were you there, stevie boy. No? Then just shut up. Your rantings are lowering the collective IQ of the blog.
The paper said estimated 2,200. It seems like more than that to me. Zach and I got there an hour before the doors opened. At that time, the line, which was about 6 people wide, snaked all the way around the building, into the back parking lot.
By the time the doors opened, it ringed the back parking lot, went around behind the governor’s school and up past the old Raleigh Court Elementary. In other words, it was about 3 city blocks long. The people behind me had driven all then way from Blacksburg. It seemed like a lot more than 3,000 to me.
I heard McCain drew 300! (Now Leon will come on here and claim it was 8,000). . .
#13 The paper quoted the fire marshal, who I think had to count folks. Anyway, I know it was a pile of people. My son and his girlfriend drove in from Tech and a couple we know came in from Lexington.
I hope to write a column about Chambers after the election. By then we’ll know whether he’s a genius or he’s dunce — but either way, he’s laughing all the way to the bank. (But it might get nixed).
The Examiner pays him based on how many reads his articles on that site get. But a lot of his stuff was getting lost amid all the other mind-blowing Examiner articles (they have 3,500 on contrails, 45,000 on bigfoot, and 368,000 about Britney Spears). Before all the recent hullaballo, Chambers was getting 20-25k reads a day. Then on Sept. 11, Rush Limbaugh read an entire article he’d written for The Examiner on the air. Chambers was listening that day, too, and almost fell off his chair.
Since then and because of all the other attention he’s received, his daily average has more than doubled, he says, to 45-60K reads. And that’s real money. 60K reads = about $360, and that’s per day.
Those NRA ads in the right column on many of the RT sections, (sometimes even Dan’s blog) which pop out and expand everytime your mouse passes over them are annoying as hell! If they just sit there and only change if you click on them, that’s one thing. But the way they work is just plain annoying.
Hmm, I wonder which party is responsible for this stuff? You think maybe the one that claims there’s massive fraud going on and that is using every trick possible to intimidate or disenfranchise voters?
“If Election Day goes anything like the past 17 days of early voting in North Carolina, here’s what you can expect at your local precincts on Tuesday:
Belligerent citizens demanding the right to personally inspect the voting process and yelling “shut up” at the top of their lungs when election officials tell them that only official poll observers can do that.
Official poll observers who have been improperly trained by the groups they represent and think it’s their job to interrogate voters rather than just watch.”
And then there’s this. No doubt a leftie:
“A guy driving a tractor-trailer bed filled with effigies of Democratic officials, including President Barack Obama, with nooses around their neck. (Federal officials are looking into that one, which took place at an early voting center in Eastern North Carolina on Thursday.)”
Right wingers have gone nuts.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/early-voting-north-carolina_n_2069171.html
dave, I agree with you. They annoy the hell out of me. And as I believe the NRA is headed by a lunatic, and that it’s one of the more dangerous and anti-democratic interest groups out there, and because I’ve written about things like that repeatedly, it kind of mystifies me why they’d advertise on this blog.
One thing for sure: I don’t see a dime of that money they’re spending.
The sad thing is when Wayne Lapierre lived in Roqanoke, he wasn’t a lunatic. I still don’t think he’s really one. I think he just became a cynic who sold his soul mto the NRA to make the big bucks. His Dad was one of the most mild mannered civic minded men I ever met.
I see that Gomer apparently took his tired worn out Benghazi schtick over to the LTE’s today. Maybe that will entice him to change over to the RT blog and leave the rest of us alone for awhile.
dave, what’s the LTEs?
Provocative intro Dan. Looking forward to the frothy beverage you will owe me. I don’t believe trending a little better is going to be good enough for Obama. The slight movement in the measurables is actually fairly anemic considering the huge stimulus investment(DEBT) and 3 rounds of quantitative easing. The American people almost always get it right…and we will elect Romney this time!
PS-Clinton governed as a fiscal conservative in a rapidly exanding economy. Kudos to him for working across the ailse and building some bridges. Obama has not and WILL not do what Clinton did.
I love the NRA’s ads, but only because they annoy the antis.
dave, on my computer, they do not auto-launch and was actually disappointed that I could not get one to open last week.
Now what I do find annoying are the folks who stop by the VCDL booths thinking somehow that we are the NRA and have hounded them incessantly for $$$. Some confused people ask if we are the ones handing out those orange, NRA “Defend Freedom. Defeat Obama” buttons too.
hey dano, in my opinion,
i think the NRA knows they have at least some supporters on your blog….while some of the others they consider as possibilities.
I’m not certain what ads you’re referring to… All I see is:
…..Advertisement…..
Local advertising by PaperG
I think somebody needs to print out that NRA ad, drive by Jack’s house and chuck it on his lawn. That’ll get his attention!
hey dano, you REALLY don’t know what the LTE’s is?
Obama in a landslide. Guess there’s no point in voting this year. Thanks for the heads up.
No doubt Clinton remains as popular as ever. I wouldn’t get too cocky about the numbers though Dano. I would surmise that people turned out more to see Clinton for his celebrity than they did to actually hear the democratic message. As near as I’ve been able to tell, the democratic message this year has been limited to trying to scare everyone into believing Romney is the harbinger of the apocalypse. It’s a shame Clinton isn’t the one running. Then it might be a landslide
I don’t think it is going to be a blowout either way. I think the likely outcome is Romney wins the popular vote and Obama wins the electoral college. What I’m looking forward to, is hearing the left rationalize how that is a good thing this year, when they spent eight years whining about an illegitimate, stolen presidency when it happened in 2000. Interestingly enough, to date the liberals have refused to even speak to this potential outcome. Guess they are trying to get the talking points on why it is different this time nailed down before they address it.
Either way, I can’t begin to express how glad I will be when this is over. If Dr. Rene Yacqui calls one more time to tell us how Tuesday is the last chance for Women’s Voice to express its position, I may go nuts. Dan, you’ll love this. The local DNC and organize for America has me as a registered democrat and continually calls seeking support.
#19 dave, you’re right about Wayne. Not sure whether he lost his mind or, as you said, is just in it for the bucks.
Of all the campaign statements made this year, Obama’s “Vote for Revenge” is so over the top that even Monica-Job-Clinton can’t repair the damage:
http://roanokeslant.blogspot.com/2012/11/vote-for-love-of-country-not-revenge.html
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Another Chuck-
I’m not being confrontational, I’m honestly curious. How do you reconcile your prediction with sites/organizations like Nate Silver’s fivethirtyeight.com or the Princeton Election Consortium? Both have incredible records. In the last election, PEC missed the EXACT electoral vote count by 1. In 2004, they predicted it exactly right.
These people have shown, with what should be convincing explanations, that the odds heavily favor Obama winning comfortably. The national polls have it close, but that’s not how this contest is scored. It’s like saying that whoever had more total yards won the football game. It’s not yards you count, it’s points, and in presidential elections, it’s not the national popular vote, it’s the electoral college. People like Silver and Wang track the *state* polls, the ones that matter.
It’s amazing to me to see the national media sticking their fingers in their ears and saying, “We can’t hear you, the election is close, lalalalalala.” They’ve got to keep the story going, they’ve got to have something for their pundits to blather on about. So they ignore the mountain of data that show that this election will very likely be a rout. For god’s sake, Wolf Blitzer was talking about a poll CNN did that showed Obama ahead by four in Ohio, and Blitzer actually said that that made it a toss-up! That despite virtually every poll in Ohio showing Obama with a similar lead. The guy who runs PEC said he’d flat out eat a bug (and post pictures of it online) if Romney won Ohio. Neither he nor Silver have any reason to favor either candidate — they make their living and reputations being accurate, so leaning one way or the other when the evidence says otherwise would be like slitting their own throats.
Hey, Another Chuck! You missed a question I asked you: Did you vote for Bush in 2004?
You also apparently missed my follow-up post on the Thursday open thread:
I guess AC isn’t going to answer. But I think it’s a pretty good guess that he did vote for President Bush’s re-election in 2004, and that he did so despite these facts:
1. The unemployment rate had gone up (a lot more than a tenth of a point, too; the rate went from 4.2 percent to 5.4 percent in Bush’s first term.
2. We were far more in debt than when he took office. In fact, when he took office, some were worrying that we were paying down the debt too fast. Problem solved.
3. Bush started two wars that would add trillions to the debt with no thought of how to pay for them. (Bush would also later pass healthcare reform (Medicare Part D) that would add significantly to the debt, again with no mechanism for paying for it, unlike Obamacare, which is not only fully paid for, it actually reduces the deficit.)
I guess AC needs to think of some other reasons to vote against Obama, because the reasons he stated clearly didn’t deter him when Bush was in office.
I saw the other day a huge SUV with huge lettering across the back: “I’ll Vote for the Mormon, Not the Moron”. I wonder how many voters that guy will sway? Childish, hateful words like that can only send people in the opposing direction.
Miriam,
Sorry to miss the gathering. It’s a long drive from northern Indiana.
I would love to come to one someday. Maybe after I retire.
Dan
LTE’S are letters to the editor
#22 Of course he Obama didn’t, he wasn’t handled an economy on the brink of disaster like Obama was. I repeat my earlier question, if GWB was blameless and did no wrong, where is he now? Why is he not stumping for your guy?
hey little davy (that would be you, Dave),
Did gomer write a letter to the editor about Benghazi? When did that happen?
@Sandi Saunders,
Hopefully this link will work correctly. Go to it in Chrome and then add the extension. There isn’t really any configuration you’ll need to do once you enable it.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock-plus/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb
It was nice seeing you guys today. I had a great time.
Dan r, it’s 2012, almost 2013. Please join us.
Trying to find a relevant article on the Hostile Media Effect without having to resort to a comm student’s thesis…aha, here we go:
http://www.niemanlab.org/2012/06/how-do-you-tell-when-the-news-is-biased/
“Like a lot of experimental psychological research, the hostile media effect suggests we’re not as smart as we think we are. We might like to think of ourselves as impartial judges of credibility and fairness, but the evidence says otherwise. Liberals and conservatives can (and often do) believe the same news report is biased against both their views; they aren’t both right.”
Pretty accurate reporting by my view. This was the fifth president I’ve seen. It’s pretty nice to walk across the street for such and event. I was surprised at the promptness and length of President Clinton’s stump speech. I think he enjoys such talks. No, I know he enjoys such talks.
The Second Gathering was very fun as well with a fairly minimal amount of arguing, all things considered. I learned all about Eeyore, I learned that I’ve known Steve C for more years than it makes sense to mention, met Dan’s lovely wife, and just enjoyed the company of a group of folks that care about the world we live in….even if we disagree about how that world should ultimately be.
I’ll organize another gathering in the deep dark of winter.
hey all you libs,
In the longgggg shot possibility that obuma would NOT pull this out …(nooo, i’m not referring to bubba pullin’ HIS out…), i mean the election, …what will you say the primary reason might be?
Hey, I bet I know! It would be because of all the racists now living…and (gasp!) voting… in Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, and…, maybe even good ol’ Pennsylvania! Those dastardly racists….which you will blame…, who evidently weren’t racists in 2008…, just all of a sudden became racists again.
Yeah. Just like global warming …is just like global cooling.
hey radmucker, you missed a good question posed to you earlier by one of the Chuck’s….”knowing what you know now, who would you vote for… George W. Bush, or Chavez”?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/04/new-york-daily-paper-with-long-democratic-history-switches-endorsement-to/
Dan R, I told you I would answer whether I voted for Bush in 04 if you answered the hypothetical question of: Would you vote for GB 43 or Hugo Chavez for US President?
I was not a huge fan of the excessive spending that ran the both 41′s and 43′s term. I have been listening to some old JFK sound clips and his tax policy was very conservative. His most famouse line was, “Ask not what you’re country can do for you… The war on Iraq went through the full and virtually unanimous approval process in the House and Senate. We had just experienced the worst attack ever on our soil. There was a very different, aggresive mind-set then. Pelosi and Reid voted to go to war, too. Obama has doubled-down in Afghanistan…are you mad at him?
Question for you, Dan? If Obama is somehow re-elected, do you expect the animosity, gridlock and lack of goodwill between Obama and the House and Senate (I mentioned the Senate because all the Dems voted against his one proposed budget)and over half of the American people to magically disappear?
I really believe Romney has a good chance to get out government back together. I might be wrong, but he has a chance! I think Obama has no chance leading and brokering meaningful legislation. 1226 days without a US budget, the job is not getting done.
Re: Comment by Debbie — November 4, 2012 @ 10:33 am
That sounds very similar to the honey, lemon, chamomile tea of my youth.
As I am on blood thinners, I have to pass on the chamomile. But I’ll give your recipe a try.
Thanks.
Just had to share this one.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=368714959884639&set=a.135440809878723.31061.135432559879548&type=1&theater
#34 scott, I saw a similar vehicle parked in Roanoke in 2004 using some borderline vulgarities about Kerry. I left the idiot (although I did not call him or her that) a note telling him or her that I was raising a child and part of that included teaching him that such language and angry irrationalities out in public were not a part of decent society. His or her childish display wasn’t useful for anybody.
hey all you libs,
Didja catch andrea mitchell and david gregory on nbc news this evening?
What a hoot!! They actually said that Gov. Christy’s comments regarding the potus and his state and Sandy’s damage….will somehow translate into a positive effect on the polling!! Yeah, right. Like, maybe in New Jersey?
Seriously, you can’t make this stuff up!
Both mitchell and gregory saw what to them looked like a straw coming toward them….they both leaped out-a-their seats to grab it…gregory’s height sealed the deal regarding the straw, and he then proclaimed….”yeah, it’ll help the pres…”. And, gregory did this in a VERY serious manner…furrowed brow…, you know the drill.
HaHa!
http://tinyurl.com/d7pe4sz
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Margin of error: Two candidates, two journeys, one race of lost dreams
By Tom Foreman, CNN
updated 12:17 AM EDT, Sun November 4, 2012
Washington (CNN) — When the race is done, the balloons have wilted, and the confetti has been swept up, Campaign 2012 may be marked more by its failures than its triumphs.
But here’s the starkest failure in these final days before the vote: Neither candidate has made a convincing enough argument for his presidency to break free of the margin of error in the polls.
No matter who is elected, close to as many Americans will have voted against him as for him.
SNIP
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IMHO, it is nearly all about voting against — i.e., even the votes each gets are going to be primarily votes “against” the other candidate not “for” the candidate getting that vote.
The whole campaign has been mostly “Vote against the other guy.”
Sad!
http://tinyurl.com/ayn6jf3
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Still ‘paranoid’ after all these years
By Todd Leopold, CNN
updated 8:31 AM EST, Sun November 4, 2012
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
√ A strain of mistrust has long run through American history
√ Historian traced the trend in 1964 essay, “The Paranoid Style in American Politics”
√ It’s easy to think of such paranoia as fringe, but it’s increasingly mainstream
√ Can we overcome our fears? Not in the current climate — though maybe eventually
Just thinking where we might start with cuts to the defense department.
http://www.warcosts.com/quick_hits
Frank, you are even more incoherent than usual tonight; no one knows what the hell you are rambling on about.
If you insist on posting so much, kindly consider using English.
Intrade has President Obama winning the Old Dominion by 52.6%
http://www.intrade.com/v4/misc/key-races/states/
In case you believe Republican lying began with Mitt Romney you need to view this video. It takes a while, but it is worth the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_nXmPnAe1Q&feature=related
AC: Dan R, I told you I would answer whether I voted for Bush in 04 if you answered the hypothetical question of: Would you vote for GB 43 or Hugo Chavez for US President?
Sorry, I missed that. I would have to sit that election out, or vote for the Green Party candidate.
Obama doubled down in Afghanistan? Really. Last I heard, he had a plan in place to get us out of there by 2014. It must be good, because Romney said he agreed completely.
AC: Question for you, Dan? If Obama is somehow re-elected, do you expect the animosity, gridlock and lack of goodwill between Obama and the House and Senate (I mentioned the Senate because all the Dems voted against his one proposed budget)and over half of the American people to magically disappear?
Sigh. Again with the Dems vote down Obama’s budget nonsense? Obama has submitted a budget each and every year he’s been in office. I linked to them before, but won’t take the time to do so again. If you don’t believe me, Google “obama budget 2013.” Then 2012, 2011 and 2010. The budget bill that Democrats voted down was not what Obama submitted. It was a bill crafted and introduced by Republicans that claimed to reflect the Obama budget, but did not. I’ve linked to that before, as well.
But back to the animosity and gridlock and lack of goodwill when Obama wins re-election: That depends entirely upon the Republicans. Hopefully, once defeating Obama is no longer possible, they’ll come around and start trying to work for the good of the country rather than his defeat. They’ll pass the American Jobs Act, or propose a reasonable compromise. They will pass a clean increase of the debt ceiling and work with Obama on a “grand bargain” for deficit reduction that includes some revenue increases as well as long-term spending cuts. They’ll give up on trying to rescind Obamacare (after 33 wasted votes).
But, somehow, I don’t see any of that happening. But I hope the American people will begin to see the Republican obstructionism for what it is, and do what they should have done this year: Send the Republican Party packing into the political wilderness until it regains a bit of sanity.
Ok: I answered my question, so tell me: Did you vote for Bush in 2004, and, if so, how do you reconcile that with your alleged reasons for voting against Obama this time?
http://tinyurl.com/av8acqc
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Winning the Media Campaign 2012
November 2, 2012
From the conventions to the eve of the final presidential debate, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both received more negative than positive coverage from the news media, though overall Obama has had an edge, according to a new study.
That advantage for Obama, however, disappeared after the debates began in early October and news coverage shifted in Romney’s direction, mirroring the momentum change reflected in many public opinion polls, the study by the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism found.
SNIP
The study also reveals the degree to which the two cable channels that have built themselves around ideological programming, MSNBC and Fox, stand out from other mainstream media outlets. And MSNBC stands out the most. On that channel, 71% of the segments studied about Romney were negative in nature, compared with just 3% that were positive-a ratio of roughly 23-to-1. On Fox, 46% of the segments about Obama were negative, compared with 6% that were positive-a ratio of about 8-to-1 negative. These made them unusual among channels or outlets that identified themselves as news organizations.
The study also found a difference between the three network evening newscasts and the morning shows. Obama also fared better in the evening, Romney in the morning.
SNIP
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Question: “Was the “mirroring the momentum change reflected in many public opinion polls” a case of the media following public opinion; or conversely public opinion being influenced by the media.
OIOW, did the media pander to the public opinion in order to gain/keep views (maintain % of viewership), as the % of viewership drives selling ads/what they can charge for ads? Or did the media influence public opinion, independent of their marketing strategies (e.g., evening newscasts Vs. the morning shows?
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Maybe I should have posted this on Dan’s other thread about Phil Titus’ professional opinion on the subject of marketing.
Dave Hicks @ 6:25, you’re welcome.
hey Other Chuck…,
Ol’ dan rad mucker …chickened out on you. no guts. no bal-s. nothin’ but …air…ya know? His panties got all up in a scrunch….and…he passed.
You raised a good question, …and, …he passed! Well done, sir.
Frank..
It may come as a surprise to u…
but MSNBC signal travels outside NY/NJ market.
Those images of Christie singing the praises of Obama
went all over the country.
My initial thought was that he was one of the first to jump
from the Romney ship. He-s set himself up marvelously
to run against the new Democratic contender in 2016..he-s
already reached across the aisle. That will play well again in the fall of 2016. The man is politically bright no matter what you say about his loyalties.
Just got a robocall from Bob Goodlatte. The first 15 seconds of the call was utter silence, then he came on.
I wonder if he unknowingly hired a Democratic robocall group to distribute this message, and they screwed with it so that 99 percent of the recipients would hang up before they heard word one of the message?
Christie is fat, Mitt couldn’t get over that, and that was why Mitt’s interview with Christie was shorter than all the other VP potentials. And now Christie has had his revenge and totally set himself up as THE guy who can put politics aside, when it needs to be put aside, more than any other pol in the nation.
There will be people who hate him if he runs in 2016, and most of them will be hardcore conservative GOP partisans. If the party wants to survive, it’ll have to jettison those dweebs before 2016. Those dolts should form their own party. They can nominate Cooch and we’ll have a 3-way election like in 1992, and Hillary will become president in 2017.
hey stevie cee,
I suggest you take in King’s q….either in Colonial Heights or Petersburg….assuming both locations are still in business.
as far as what?, specifically? you are referring to?…well if you watched NBC News tonoight, then you know of what I speak.
Oh, …wait just a minute! I see ANOTHER straw coming! It’s about Wisconsin! Grab it quick-like, little stevie-cee…a “straw” in Wisconsin is about all you libs’ve got…, in like, Wisconsin!
hey radmucker,
if you were any good at ‘splainin’ the obuma budget-thingy…then you would be front and center for obuma, ‘splainin the obuma budget-thingy…, for, like, obuma. right?
Dave, excellent post! The Fox news folks are dragged through the coals by the Left and some of the opinion shows are mostly to the Right, but the real journalist there are doing probably the best job out there. The Benghazi reporting is excellent and Fox is the only new organization on the story. Mainstream media will ultimately regret their lack of focus on what will prove to be a huge story whether Obama is re-elected or not.
Dan R, we are a very divided nation and things will be tough for either Romney or Obama. If Obama had governed more like his 08 campaign run, he would Ok. He didn’t. He is combative,the ecomomy is bad and the legislative PROCESS and affects of Obamacare will make him a 1 term President.
hey dano,
In the last three days, I’ve gotten 2 calls from ‘organizing for america”. HaHa! What a joke. The last time (earlier this evening) after I said I was gonna vote for obuma (unlike you, I actually told the truth this time…), the girlie asked if I was a “committed” republican… That took us into an area where we both had a good conversation! I wonder if she actually votes for obuma! HaHa! I’m serious! You CAN’T make this stuff up!
Just got a text message from one of my sons who happens to live in Virginia. He apparently attended the rally in northern Virginia yesterday. Dave Matthews Band kicked it off. Apparently Tim Kaine, Bill Clinton and Obama all spoke at the rally. My son was pumped.
Gomer @6:50
Righhht! Christie will have no effect at all on the voters in swing states. That’s why the Romney campaign and Karl Rove are busily leaking stories to the media that Christie was only getting revenge on Romney for jilting him as VP. They’re not worried at all! That’s why they’re ignoring the whole thing ! Not!
hey dano,
Looks like you and the other media libs are just a hangin’ onto that straw Christy threw out for yas’! HaHa! You guys just keep on grabin’ at straws! Ha Ha!
The Republican voter suppression campaign has been fully exposed this week in Florida in the travesty they have created with their scaling down and cutting hours and sites for early voting. The result is that voters in predominately democratic south florida areas have been subjected to waiting lines for as long as 3 to 8 hours. This is clearlt what Gov. Scott and the TPERS had in mind, hoping to discorage these folks from voting . Now suits have been filed demanding that the hours for early voting be extended. Maybe the supreme court can step in and rule in favor of the Governor and the Republicans again to try to steal the Florida electoral vote. This is criminal and constitutes gross civil rights violations.
Nate Silver has the president with an 83.7% chance of winning the EC. Meanwhile Ryan is spending millions to hold onto his House seat, even he sees the writing on the wall. Barring a Republican theft in Ohio, there will be much consternation among wingnuts come Wednesday morning.
P.S. Silver also has Tim Kaine winning the Senate seat in Virginia.
And the desperation continues!
Obama moves ahead by 0.5 in RCP average, a swing of more than a point in a week.
In Connecticut, Republican Senate candidate Linda McMahon put out door hangers endorsing Obama.
GOP already blaming Romney’s loss on Hurricane Sandy
The governor of Florida and Secretary of State in Ohio are desperately trying (and partially succeeding) to limit early voting as much as possible.
A lawyer for the RNC claims machines in Nevada, Ohio and Colorado are stealing votes for Obama, although he has no evidence whatsoever. (This is a Rove tactic in which you accuse your opponent of something you’re already doing).
At a PA campaign event in freezing weather, Romney campaign is refusing to let people leave. Now that’s a way to get votes!
“If Obama had governed more like his 08 campaign run, he would Ok. He didn’t.”
Bull.
“I’ve gotten 2 calls from ‘organizing for america”. HaHa! What a joke. The last time (earlier this evening) after I said I was gonna vote for obuma (unlike you, I actually told the truth this time…). . .”
Frank’s going to vote for Obama. That is the truth?
“The Republican voter suppression campaign has been fully exposed this week in Florida in the travesty they have created with their scaling down and cutting hours and sites for early voting. The result is that voters in predominately democratic south florida areas have been subjected to waiting lines for as long as 3 to 8 hours. This is clearlt what Gov. Scott and the TPERS had in mind, hoping to discorage these folks from voting . Now suits have been filed demanding that the hours for early voting be extended. Maybe the supreme court can step in and rule in favor of the Governor and the Republicans again to try to steal the Florida electoral vote. This is criminal and constitutes gross civil rights violations.”
Has there ever been a governor, of any state, that was more of an embarrassment than Rick Scott? He was a crook as a healthcare exec who bought himself that office.
Frank, your weird misspelled hokey schtick is getting old. Just try English.
hey joe,
You must be grasping at the same straw as all the other libs. Are you serious? Do you think that Christy was being anything other than, like, being Christy? He has a state in turmoil. Duh. The potus can help with cutting red type (by the way, isn’t THAT a hoot?). Oh…ahh, Christy came out with a full-throated roar for Romney today. HaHa! Looks like all you libs missed your last straw! I say that, because, don’t ya think people outside the New Jersey area say that on…, like, FOX?
hey dano,
Connecticut, as you know dano, is a bluer than blue state. McMahan is a repub. She wants to be elected. So?
“Connecticut, as you know dano, is a bluer than blue state. McMahan is a repub. She wants to be elected. So?”
Frank’s next prediction: Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown endorses Obama (but it won’t do any good. Brown’s gonna lose anyway).
hey kristen, i’ma try’in.
Frank, put the drugs away. You’ve had enough.
Early voting in Florida was for 10 days at least 6 hours a day so how is this voter suppression? There were not lines everyday for the 10 days. What a bunch of BS. Oh and election day is Tuesday. They still have all day Tuesday to vote.
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voting/early.shtml
This is a great video! Obama’s former supporters protesting against him. This is certainly news worthy I wonder why it wasn’t on the news?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/02/Black-Grassroots-Activists-Protest-Obama-Fundraiser-City-Hall-and-ABC-News-in-Chicago
hey artie,
based on you, dano, and that ol’ silver-guy, i guess we should just call the election for obuma. save lotsa folks lotsa money and lotsa aggravation. yeah, boy, let’s just have us four more years of this crap.
hey dano,
You libs’ve got no more blue-dogs. Ya’ll are just true-blue libs. If Brown endorses obuma, and STILL gets elected, I think that would be good. I’d think you would also, if you really cared about bi-partisanship. But, you don’t. So much for that.
hey davey at 6:37,
What’s up with you sayin’ that “gomer” got a letter published about Benghazi today, in the LTEs?
Is there more than just one “gomer”? How many “gomers” are there, in your estimation? How does “gomer” feel about all this? Is that fair to “gomer”?
Hey Jack, THANKS! Ad-Bloc is great! No more roll-overs!
AC: “Dan R, we are a very divided nation and things will be tough for either Romney or Obama. If Obama had governed more like his 08 campaign run, he would Ok. He didn’t. He is combative,the ecomomy is bad and the legislative PROCESS and affects of Obamacare will make him a 1 term President.”
Actually, he did govern like his 08 campaign, but Republicans had decided on day one that their best path back to power was unyielding opposition to anything Obama proposed, however pragmatic or in line with proposals they had made in the past.
You may have forgotten this, but there was widespread agreement in the 2008 campaign about cap-and-trade, a conservative approach to lowering emissions that worked incredibly well with acid rain emissions. McCain and Obama both supported cap-and-trade. But after Obama won, Republicans turned it into cap-and-tax. It passed the House, but couldn’t survive a Senate filibuster.
Obamacare was also based on conservative principles – “severely conservative” principles, even. Just ask Romney, since his health care plan passed in Massachusetts contained most of the same provisions conservatives now deride, falsely, as a “government takeover of health care,” even though it is no such thing. He sought out Republican input, but after months of talks and negotiations, it became clear that Republicans wouldn’t vote for Obamacare even if he gave them everything they asked for. They were unwilling to give him anything resembling a bipartisan success.
With his stimulus package, too, Obama reached across the aisle. Including a bunch of tax cuts and infrastructure spending that Republicans usually support. (In fact, even Republicans who voted against the stimulus, wrote letters asking for the infrastructure spending in their districts or states to help create jobs; never mind that they swore up and down when they voted against it that the stimulus wouldn’t create any jobs.) Not a single Republican voted for the stimulus, and they complain to this day that it didn’t work, even though every independent economist that has studied it said it added to GDP, saved millions of jobs and kept the United States from plunging into another Great Depression. Indeed, if you look at the monthly jobs numbers, it’s clear that the hemorrhaging of jobs stopped when the stimulus started.
During the Republican-led debt ceiling crisis, where a major political party held the full faith and credit of the United States hostage to a policy dispute, again, Obama tried to win bipartisan consensus. He offered a balanced approach of massive budget cuts offset by the lowest margin of revenue increases ever offered in a deficit-reduction deal. Boehner wanted the deal, but he couldn’t control his tea party radicals, and it fell apart. As a result, we got the nation’s credit rating lowered and the sequestration agreement that, since Republican members of the supercommittee refused to consider any revenue increases, will lead to huge cuts to domestic and defense spending if nothing is done.
Obama also reached out at the personal level. Inviting Republican members of Congress to White House dinners. Appearing at a Republican retreat and taking question after question. Golfing with Boehner. None of this got him anything but more unyielding opposition. Finally, he figured out that Republicans would be against him, and his policies, no matter what. That’s when we started to see a stronger, more determined Obama, and that’s when Republicans began to whine about how partisan he was. What nonsense. You can only slap a hand extended in cooperation so many times before it is withdrawn. Obama gave Republicans too many chances, only to have his hand slapped time after time after time. Good for him for finally clenching that hand into a fist.
I only wish he had made this campaign more about Republican opposition to his very moderate and pragmatic proposals.
“You libs’ve got no more blue-dogs. Ya’ll are just true-blue libs. If Brown endorses obuma, and STILL gets elected, I think that would be good. I’d think you would also, if you really cared about bi-partisanship. But, you don’t. So much for that.”
Does this strike anyone else as 2-days-before-the-election sour grapes? Poor Frank.
His definition of bipartisanship is for the Democrats to roll and give the GOP everything it wants. That’s Richard Mourdock’s definition as well. Hows that working out for him?
I very much enjoyed the Gonzo gathering. I did not expect to, but I did. It was great to meet you all!
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Someone please take the nitrous oxide away from Frank.
Frank, thanks for the support. Dan R, your argument that Obama wants to pull out of Afghanistan now is a NOT a valid dispuit to my assertion that he doubled down there last year. In the other blog post, you said unemployment went up due to more people in the job pool. However, since Obama took office the job pool has decreased by 4 million people. Liberal logic is not based on…well, logic.
Dan, you didn’t respond to the fact that virtually all of congress voted to go into Iraq. Why not?
Frank – try harder.
“I wonder why it wasn’t on the news?”
Because it’s crap? I thought Breitbart went to that big Bull#%$@ Mountain in the sky?
hey gdud,
I’ve been wondering where you were. I just got in last night from a relaxing week in hilton head, and I’m tryin’ to catch up. I highly recommend Hilton Head’s …Alexander’s, Crane’s, Roast Fish and Cornbread, and Skull Creek Boathouse for excellent food and atmosphere.
Now, for the task at hand. I’m feeling pretty up-beat about Tuesday’s election, particularly after watching axelrod squirm on FOX today. If he felt confident, he sure didn’t reflect it. I think he was tryin’ to play the old game of…, “I’m gonna fake you out”…and he then went and lost track of where he was!
For those who missed it, it was real funny! HaHa!
AC,
What do you dispute about what Dan R. said? Seriously.
AC: However, since Obama took office the job pool has decreased by 4 million people.
Yeah, liberal logic understands that baby boomers are beginning to retire and that many people were forced into early retirement by the catastrophic end of the Bush administration.
AC: Dan, you didn’t respond to the fact that virtually all of congress voted to go into Iraq. Why not?
Most of Congress did vote to go to war with Iraq, spurred on by blatant misinformation by the Bush administration, which passed on “intelligence” from discredited sources to make Saddam look like a much graver threat than he actually was. And assured by administration officials that Iraqis would great us as liberators and it would be over in six weeks, tops. Etc., etc., etc. Yeah, Congress made the mistake of listening to the Bush administration and taking what it said as being true. How’d that work out?
Dan, were you on the greenway today at all?
#66 Frank,
-I will try King’s Q. Probably will take me 3 weeks or so to fit it in but I will report back. Thanks for the head’s up. I road trip all the time for good ‘Q.
-My undergrad is in English Lit; the fundamental point I was constantly graded on was being able to communicate an idea succinctly to your audience without having to make references, or links as it were in this case, that without which your audience wouldn’t have the slightest idea what you are talking about. To illustrate, consider the following sentence;
“Both mitchell and gregory saw what to them looked like a straw coming toward them….they both leaped out-a-their seats to grab it…gregory’s height sealed the deal regarding the straw, and he then proclaimed….”yeah, it’ll help the pres…”. And, gregory did this in a VERY serious manner…furrowed brow…, you know the drill.”
I’m assuming English is the language you grew up speaking? It’s just not that hard. Slow down and think about the point you are trying to make. Spell check is your friend; use it.
-Wisconsin? President Obama is up 4.2 points and Baldwin is up 2.2 points. It ain’t going “Hook, line and sinker” for the right, Frank. What do I have to do, put it in a damn pie chart graph so you can understand it?
I mean, it’s not like it’s the end of the world. At least like a hundred times a day people who disagree with me are ultimately proven wrong, and yet not one person has yet to die from saying “you know, Steve C, you were right and I was wrong”. It’s just not that big a deal Frank. Once you accept the fact that I’m far more intelligent than you it’ll be easier to put this issue behind us and move on. It’s no biggie; just say you were sorry for ever doubting my word and that you’ll never do it again and we’ll just let bygones be bygones.
I swear to God, I have no idea why you fixate on the most obtuse points; why on earth would you not let WI go so maybe I’d forget about this nonsense and then maybe I wouldn’t have to beat you over the head with this for the next six months? Most of the stuff you drone on and on just doesn’t resonate with normal people.
stevie cee? Really? Please tell me this isn’t your A game because I have standards that prohibit me from parrying with the mentally unequipped.
Chuck-
“I don’t think it is going to be a blowout either way. I think the likely outcome is Romney wins the popular vote and Obama wins the electoral college.”
There is not much reason to think this. In the thousands of simulations that Nate Silver runs, this scenario occurs 7.3% of the time. Seriously, look at the math.
“What I’m looking forward to, is hearing the left rationalize how that is a good thing this year, when they spent eight years whining about an illegitimate, stolen presidency when it happened in 2000.”
They weren’t whining about an electoral loss in the face of a popular win. They were whining about Republicans in Florida and on the SC doing everything they could to guarantee that the votes that would have put Gore over the top would not be counted. They succeeded.
“Interestingly enough, to date the liberals have refused to even speak to this potential outcome. Guess they are trying to get the talking points on why it is different this time nailed down before they address it.”
They haven’t spent much time on it because anyone who has looked at the state by state polling data knows that it is incredibly unlikely.
Another Chuck-
“His most famouse line was, “Ask not what you’re country can do for you… ”
HAHAHAHA! Your ellipses took out a pretty important part of the quote, don’t you think?
Frank-
“Didja catch andrea mitchell and david gregory on nbc news this evening?
What a hoot!! They actually said that Gov. Christy’s comments regarding the potus and his state and Sandy’s damage….will somehow translate into a positive effect on the polling!! Yeah, right. Like, maybe in New Jersey?”
You’re actually right. There is no evidence and little reason to believe that it will have any meaningful effect on the race. But Mitchell and Gregory are both part of an industry that has to justify itself by maintaining a narrative, regardless of how false that narrative is. They have to wallow in the subjective so that they can appear to be wise and not have to back up their points with evidence.
“the girlie asked if I was a “committed” republican…”
If this isn’t true our mental health care system is worse off than I thought. Ohhhh, she meant committed as in loyal or decided. Never mind.
“I just got in last night from a relaxing week in hilton head…”
Remind you of anyone?
No, Kristen. It wasn’t me.
Hey folks, this was not written by me, but by a fellow Roanoker. It speaks to me because it cuts through all the clutter and gets to the core. Please read with and open mind:
ELECTION IS ABOUT MUCH MORE THAN TUESDAY
Perhaps like me, you are tired of the commercials. You are done with the dishonest attacks, smears, and distortions.
Perhaps like me, you think government is currently a big problem. Yet to solve the problem, we need government to do it. Strange mess that is.
Perhaps like me, you worry about the future of your kids, your parents, and…yes…you.
Perhaps like me, you are a person of faith, and you are wondering why we haven’t figured out a way to all work together and to want the best for each other.
Perhaps like me, you are astonished that there are people out there that can be more concerned (let me emphasize MORE concerned) about an animal, or a tree, than about their fellow human beings.
And perhaps like me, you are frustrated that it seems to be easier to care for those in need overseas than it is to care for those in need right here in our own back yard.
This election is not about Medicare. It is not about abortion. Or a smaller military. Gay marriage. Solyndra. Bain. Benghazi. Wall Street (Occupied or otherwise). Unions. Earmarks. The housing bust. Israel. Nukes. Medicaid. Car companies. Big Bird. Obamacare. Alternative energy. Chavez. Food stamps. Iran. Hollywood. Mormons. Muslims. Atheists. Jews. Returning Veterans. Fuel prices. Social Security. Millionaire’s taxes. The 47%. The 99%.
This election is about the erosion of our freedoms that are absolutely tied to our being broke.
Broke.
Broke.
Broke.
I do not understand how we have become so aware of our own economic circumstances, yet so seemingly unaware of the absolute shambles of our nation’s finances.
When someone has only $100 and they need clothes, they do not borrow $100 so they can buy a really cool, $200 jacket that they really don’t need. What they do is buy inexpensive (maybe used) items…necessities…and make their money meet their needs.
How then, can we then not understand the utterly suicidal (from a fiscal standpoint) approach to spending money that we do not have nationally?
Every trial that our children will face is on our hands as we watch our government spend more and more of their money (we are actually already picking the pockets two generations ahead) because we want the really cool stuff and we don’t want to suffer.
The difference between futures, depending on who is elected into office on Tuesday, seems stark. But please know, that the election is but the first step to either the reconstruction or the demise of this country’s freedoms.
Once we discover that there are countries that own us, through our borrowing that can not be repaid, it will be too late for all of us to “step it up” and take responsibility for the full functioning of our freedom. It will be over. We may have to ask other countries (the ones who now have called in our loans) permission for going to church, or owning a gun, or marrying our partner, or taking the pill.
Freedom as we have known it will be a concept that will be unattainable again.
That brings me to my main point. RESPONSIBILITY. Yours. Mine.
We can not have a free future that ignores each of our responsibilities to one another.
The responsibility not to harm others.
The responsibility to help others.
The responsibility to pursue livelihood that will sustain the
lifestyle we as individuals choose.
The responsibility not to lie (hear that media?)
The responsibility to do the right thing, yes we are a moral society.
Without an attitude that we will take our own personal responsibility seriously as the catalyst that makes liberty work, we will have a dire future ahead.
We can debate what the right salary for a CEO is and never come close to an answer. We can debate why should taxes be paying for someone’s contraceptives.
We can debate why anyone would want to see our country weaker, rather than stronger.
We can debate whether someone should get unemployment payments for two years while they search for work.
We can debate what makes a good immigration policy.
What we must not disagree on is that each of us must be actively RESPONSIBLE in our actions toward defending our God given rights (that appear to be challenged each day) that are uniquely embraced by this country, and to ensure that they last for generations to come.
Our problem is not who will be the next president. Our problem is if we think that will solve anything on its own without us getting up each day doing our part.
Our world is complex. Our nation is blessed, yet there are billions who hate us. We must be ready to be RESPONSIBLE for our future, not expect government to do it for us. Sit back, and we are sunk.
My vote is for Mitt Romney. On the matter of President, I cannot see another path out of our mess. Of the two we have to choose from, it is crystal clear in my mind who can better keep us free.
But that is only the beginning. I hope you agree that we all have a lot to do after this coming Tuesday. I promise to try my best to do my part as an American.
Will you?
#97 Dang, Frankie, you had dish room jobs at all those places in one week?
If it was true that Willard Romney was our “path”, we are doomed.
He is not a viable choice, he is not remotely the best choice.
Romney is the epitome of an incredibly unstable and an unprincipled candidate and a flip-flopper of gigantic proportion.
“And, frankly, if I had paid more than are legally due I don’t think I’d be qualified to become president.”
“Says President Obama has “doubled” the deficit.” Lie.
“The rate of regulations quadrupled under this president.” Lie.
“Obamacare adds trillions to our deficits and to our national debt.” Lie.
“we didn’t just slow the rate of growth of our government, we actually cut it.” Lie.
Plenty more too: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/statements/byruling/false/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/statements/byruling/pants-fire/
And his flip-flops: ‘I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.’ [1]
‘I did not see it with my own eyes.’
‘It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.’ [1]
‘I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.’
‘I like mandates. The mandates work.’ [1]
‘I think it’s unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front.’
‘This is a completely airtight kennel mounted on the top of our car.’ [1]
‘They’re not happy that my dog loves fresh air.’
‘Roe v. Wade has gone too far.’ [1]
‘I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.’ [2]
‘I will work and fight for stem cell research.’ [1]
‘In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise.’
‘I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.’ [1]
‘There’s no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.’ [2]
http://mittromneyflipflops.com/#javascript:void(0)
I could go on and on, but I think I have made my point. You live in a very fragile glass house, so stop throwing rocks. America is on to you.
America is not “broke” Chuck. Thanks for playing.
Gee, Steve c, I can work with that.
However, based on what I’ve seen you post, well, I wouldn’t be tryin’ too hard, if I was you, …to suggest that “you were”, like, “far more intelligent” than anyone else… Sheesh. It just makes you look kinda, well, …small…, ya know? Did I drive you to that?
Seriously, King’s has some good bar-b-q. I hope you are not disappointed.
No, gdud, my dish washin’ days for pay were over long ago. Although if it came down to it, I’d wash dishes for pay as good as anyone, and be darned happy I had a job.
The responsibility not to lie? And you support Mitt Romney? Unbelievable. How do you reconcile that with Mitt’s indefensible lie about Jeep and GM moving domestic production overseas? That is a total and absolute lie that bears no resemblance to the truth. GM and Chrysler have taken the unusual steps of calling Mitt out on his indefensible and inhumane lie that led many American autoworkers to needlessly worry about their jobs (even as both Chrysler and GM are hiring new employees for the first time in a decade).
Obama hasn’t had to lie in his attempt to win re-election. Romney has done little but lie in his attempt to defeat Obama. The choice is, indeed crystal clear. A liar will not keep America free, no matter what he promises.
Thanks to Miriam for arranging the Gonzo meeting. As it was last time, stimulating conversation with lots of laughs…and fist bumps!
Great to get acquainted with some new Gonzos – our “fearless leader” and his lovely wife, and get re-acquainted with those I met at the last meet up.
A great demonstration on how those with differing viewpoints can still sit down with each other and leave with hand shakes and smiles.
Thanks guys.
Art, we are not broke? I suppose if we could sell off our assets to pay out liabilities, which we can’t , we might could pay our debts. Then others would “own” us. We have more debt than an entity in the history of humanity.
Dan, GM is expanding production in China. Do you know who controls chrysler?, Fiat. Fiat has potential plans to produce the Jeep in Italy, Serbia, or China.
Check out this very lengthy article on Obama’s pathological lying: http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
AC,
1. What are “potential plans?” It seems to me that Chrysler could have potential plans to make Jeeps in Antarctica, if global warming continues and Serbia, China, Italy and North America become uninhabitable.
2. Do you object to allowing Fiat to buy a majority of Chrysler? Would it be better to have it a) still U.S. government owned or b) gone?
3. Do you believe the U.S. government should pass a law limiting U.S. companies from opening factories overseas? If so, tell us what other government contraints on private business you support.
Yes, GM and Jeep are expanding production in China – FOR CHINESE CUSTOMERS. They are not moving domestic production to China. That’s a bald-faced lie. Lies, and phony outrage over an off-the-cuff remark about voting being the best revenge, are all Romney has.
Dan:
“There will be people who hate him if he runs in 2016, and most of them will be hardcore conservative GOP partisans. If the party wants to survive, it’ll have to jettison those dweebs before 2016. Those dolts should form their own party. They can nominate Cooch and we’ll have a 3-way election like in 1992, and Hillary will become president in 2017.”
As much as that scenario makes me want to vomit, it’s not out of the realm of reason. My hope would be that a strong Libertarian Party could emerge sooner than later as Republican or, especially, Democrat authoritarian damage will be harder to undo the longer we let it simmer. Hillary will exemplify authoritarian rule and a government by “We the People” gone awry.
Sadly, it takes a tragedy or travesty to get most people to do anything. It took Bill Clinton’s “Assault Weapon Ban” to mobilize the gun rights community, but now we are in a better place because of that action. If it takes “President Hillary” for people to see the danger of this kind of president, that’s just how it’s going to have to play out.
We are going along a very progressive course to turn more people away from both Republicans and Democrats and the Libertarians fill the void very nicely!
And, wow, here’s the kind of “lie” from Obama featured on your link:
President Barack Obama packed an upbeat job statistic for his visit to the Master Lock plant in Milwaukee.
“For the first time since 1990, American manufacturers are creating new jobs,” the president said on Feb. 15, 2012, as he praised Master Lock for bringing jobs back from China.
It turns out he meant to say “for the first time since the 1990s, American manufacturers are creating new jobs.” In other words, it was a slip of the tongue, not a lie.
“Potential plans” = “I made this up”.
Sort of like Newt’s “potential plans” for space colonies.
I hope to make it to the next gathering, I’ve been under the weather since the middle of last week and in the event it’s contagious, opted to stay home and keep recovering. A friend of mine has been dealing with some sort of flu or pneumonia, which thankfully I don’t have, but still…being sick at any time still stinks.
#112 How many folks showed up Shrillary? I wish I could have made it.
#112 NM, I see from the photo how many showed. Thanks!
Dan C, I believe Fiat had every right to purchase controlling interest in Chrysler. I love the free-market working things out.
Dan R, Romney did not definitively say Jeep production was moving to China..he indicated there is a good possibility. And, I wonder where he got that notice? Well, perhaps is was from Jeep’s President, Mike Manley. Read this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-21/fiat-says-china-may-build-all-jeep-models-as-suv-demand-climbs.html
What do you guys think about the numerous left leaning newspapers endorsing Romney? 34 newspapers have abandoned Obama this time around.
AC, in Defiance, Ohio, Romney said that he read somewhere that Jeep, “now owned by the Italians” was thinking of moving ALL its production to China.
Apparently he read it on a blog post on The Examiner, where anybody can write anything.
#119 Get well, OJ. I know there’s been an upper respiratory viral thing — not the flu — going around some.
Dan C, did you read the article I posted. First paragraph: “Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.”
Therefore, Romney was correct in saying they “might” do just that!
Obama hasn’t had to lie in his attempt to win re-election. Romney has done little but lie in his attempt to defeat Obama. The choice is, indeed crystal clear. A liar will not keep America free, no matter what he promises.
Comment by Dan Radmacher — November 5, 2012 @ 12:03 am
Benghazi
Bailouts,foreign purchase, relocation of jobs and bankruptcies are exactly what happens when unions are allowed to negotiate a $75-80 wage and benefits package for an employee to put a widget on a sprocket. And, I believe CEO’s are paid to much also. Observe how well Toyota has done in a right-to-work state where wages and benefits are half of Detroits.
Dan R, I just gave you a several page list of Obama lies…the main issue you said Romney lied on, I just disproved in the article I posted previously. Again from the Fiat folks: Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.
The sun is out today in Roanoke, VA! Please superior intellecuals….agree with me!
#125 Did you miss this part, AC?
“Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.”
They might make all their MODELS there, but that’s not the same as making every vehicle they manufacture there. Different thing entirely.
Let’s add Fast and Furious to Benghazi.
Also, Solyndra.
#130: Why stop there Frank? Why not add the rape and torture death of Andrew Breitbart? Oh, and bee colony collapse, and sunspots, and bat whitenose syndrome, and electoral disfunction in Thailand, and helium shortages, and rust, and…
Gdad. The first paragraph said they might move ALL the production to China. What do I have to do so this sinks in! Romney DID NOT lie! Fiat is considering moving production to China.. NOT A LIE!
gdad, both Romney and I are talking about Jeep only.. Not the entire Chrysler line of autos.
Wingnuts are restless today. They smell defeat.
“Gdad. The first paragraph said they might move ALL the production to China. What do I have to do so this sinks in! Romney DID NOT lie! Fiat is considering moving production to China.. NOT A LIE!”
BUT . . . it is more true that they might NOT move all production to China. So at the least, Romney chose the LEAST true of the two statements to highlight.
Seriously, you don’t consider that a serious distortion, at the very least?
Let me put it this way, AC: It is highly likely that Texas Tavern will be open Tuesday. But, who knows, a meteor MIGHT fall on that place tonight, forcing its closure.
On that basis, I would never write a column saying, “I understand that Texas Tavern might shut down tomorrow.” It would be an explicit suggestion that it would. And that would be a lie.
Wow, AC, you really have a problem with reading comprehension, don’t you? Must be because you’re so desperate to see what you want to see. Here’s the first paragraph from your link:
Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.
All models means that Jeep isn’t the only model that might be built there for Chinese consumers. It does not say they might move all production to China. I guess you missed the paragraph further down: “Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.”
It could not be any clearer. Romney lied.
AC: “gdad, both Romney and I are talking about Jeep only.. Not the entire Chrysler line of autos.”
That may be what you and Romney are talking about. It’s not what the CEO of Chrysler was talking about. Read the story again. It’s clear.
hey warren,
there you go again…ramble, ramble, ramble…then, …pfft.
I don’t see how the released statement of “eventually might make all their models there (China)” is in anyway amiguous or debatable. So I guess the first part of the article was incorrect and the rest was correct….anyway. small ball issue.
I maintain my gut feel analysis of this election. Romney wins easy!
It is not ambiguous or debatable, Chuck. It says that Chrysler is thinking about producing not just Jeeps in China, but eventually other Chrysler models. And the article specifically says that they aren’t talking about shifting production from the U.S. to China, but expanding production in China for the Chinese market.
Anyone not desperately searching for an attack against Obama can see that.
Romney lied.
#132 All MODELS, not all production, AC. Come on, you really don’t get the difference?
Typical Romney supporter.
Dan R, we must realize that this is a moment when regressives have so internalized the messages of their echo chamber that their psyches cannot allow themselves to consider any other possibilities. For all they know or can admit, the GOTP is full of tolerant darkskinned young people without any allegiance to unearned privilege, corporatism, xenophobia, religious dogma, sexual bias, scientific illiteracy, or the military industrial complex.
So offer a regressive a friendly smile-it’s a heavy burden for them to be both perfect and without anger in the world as they’re told it is.
Frank, please come to a meeting with me tomorrow. I’ve been going for three weeks and knock on wood I have not had a drink or wanted one.
hey still learning, thank you for your interest in my well-being! Now, for a starter, what have I written that causes you to think that I should join you at a “meeting”? Or, are you just interested in having some cpmpany?
It could not be any clearer. Romney lied.
Comment by Dan Radmacher — November 5, 2012 @ 1:15 pm
It could not be any clearer, Obama lied about Benghazi. One should ask
why; people died.
I wonder if AC ever figured out that he misread that first paragraph?
Oh, well. I bet his prognostication skills will prove to be as effective as his reading comprehension.
It is a lie because Chrysler said it was a lie. They ought to know.
#146 Well, Dan R, he still hadn’t figured it out even after we explained more than once and in more than one way. Even when we pointed out that the president or CEO of the company flatly said American production was NOT moving to China.