‘Educated’ and ‘uneducated’ states and how they voted
From HappyPlace.com
There are lots of ways to slice and dice election results, and this one is particularly interesting. Behold the GOP’s electoral strategy!
The chart on the left shows how states voted in the presidential election, compared to the percentages of people in those states who have college degrees. And there are few surprises.
Of the 10 states with the highest proportion of college-educated residents, all 10 went for Obama in the election.
Of the 10 states with the lowest proportion of college degrees, 9 of 10 went for Romney in the election. Only Nevada kept them from a perfect, 10-for-10 score.
What conclusions can we draw from this?
- The higher the proportion of educated voters in a state, the less likely they are to fall for a lot of the silly cow-manure Tea Party arguments the Republicans have been shoveling of late.
- Perhaps it also explains why conservatives seem so down on public education. They tend to put few resources behind it, or insist that textbooks be rewritten to their students detriment, like Texas. Is that a long-range strategy to increase the conservative (i.e. uneducated voter) turnout years down the road?
- Democrats can play the same game, of course. By insisting on more spending for education at secondary and post-secondary levels, they may be able to win more governorships and seats in the House of Representatives. But they shouldn’t expect Republicans to roll over on that.
I first spotted this on Americablog, but it actually comes from a site called HappyPlace.com. Be sure to check out their post titled “The most psychotically profane rant you’ll ever hear from a golf coach at a Christian college,” by the way (NSFW).
November 10, 2012 - 11:11 AM
OIne other tid-bit you missed. Obama only won states that had no voter id laws. One can only wonder why?
Virginia has a voter ID law, David. In case you missed it, Obama won Virginia.
And I’d be interested in having you explain the mechanics of how someone would go about stealing an election through in-person voter fraud. How, exactly, would that work?
“One other tid-bit you missed. Obama only won states that had no voter id laws. One can only wonder why?”
David, please elaborate on this for us.
And tell us what you believe your point is. . .
Just a quick check, states with strict laws are predominantly in the deep south, or Indiana. PA had it, but I believe that’s in the courts now.
States with slightly less strict voter id laws (photo and non-photo), Washington, Virginia, Delaware, Connecticut, Michigan, Rhode Island, Colorado, Ohio went Obama.
David,
Obama did not steal this election. He won it fair and square by cashing in on and redistibuting the wealth that our forefathers paid blood, sweat, and tears to acquire. By and large, the election was fair and you just have to accept that our voting public really is that naive. I hate to think it, but accept that it is so. On the other hand, just the fact that Obama’s opposition chose Romney is central to the problem. What a lousy candidate. The slate on BOTH sides says a lot about society in general.
What does it say about America that one of our two major parties cannot win any voter with critical thinking skills? It seems like the time for a third party pulling the moderates who lean right out of the Republican Party. Eventually, as their base decreases due to aging, we would end up with two reasonable parties.
Did Tepublicans only win in States where they were successful in suppressing the vote? I won’t provide any documentation (as David didn’t either). What horse $%#t!
Just lose don’t excuse
I never wonder why the right is anti-education.
Had I seen this thread first my comment #1 @ http://tinyurl.com/ab9tx99 would have been put here.
And for those very religious states – where was the “God Factor”?
Glenn Beck said “God” wanted Romney to win….video of Beck preaching that “God is not neutral”…nope, “God” evidently believed that President Obama is better for America than good old RMoney…
November 9, 2012
Glenn Beck, more than any other wingnut commentator, squarely put the results of the election on the shoulders of God. Romney was going to win because God was in charge and he wanted Romney to win. Indeed, he claimed, God was actually giving Romney advice on how to “win” the third debate (which he didn’t, by any measure) and he had blessed Romney as he did George Washington.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/11/09/hey-glenn-what-happened-to-god/
It is people like, Beck, that reaffirms my thoughts that religion does poison everything… it is really sad that people listen to this guy as if he has anything positive to add to our society as a whole.
Florida has voter ID also, of course.
Since posting his glaring error, I’ve been wondering if David was actually putting us on. What if the point of his error to get us to respond, with a list of voter-ID states that Obama won, so he could come back and say, AHA! See! A Democrat still can win in a voter ID state!
That is true.
It’s also true that Obama’s margins were far smaller in Ohio, Virginia and Fla. than they were 4 years ago. From that you could construct an argument that voter ID worked to suppress the president’s turnout, only drat it didn’t work well enough.
John Husted, Secretary of State in Ohio, apparently realized this. So he launched OTHER schemes to suppress voting, especially early voting. When a federal judge ruled against that, he shrugged and said “So what? Gonna do it anyhow” until the judge ordered him to appear in court and threatened to jail him for contempt. Husted appealed all the way up to the Supreme Court and lost all the way.
Now, he’s messing around with the way they count provisional ballots in Ohio, in defiance of ANOTHER federal judge’s ruling. And he’s proud of this. It’s anti-Democratic and disgusting.
I love how the Obama voters are ‘”naive” , but the suckers bought by Citizens United are somehow worldly and informed.
Re: Comment by Kristen — November 10, 2012 @ 1:14 pm
Bingo!
In January of 2012, Pat Robertson, supposedly had a conversation with his deity and made these predictions. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PNhrNqS0lyE
I like how he plays 21 questions with god… you can’t make this stuff up!
Sharp post Dan. Speaks volumes about our country.
Here’s a guy who calls the majority of American voters maggots! Incredible.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/peter-morrison-texas-divorce_n_2100165.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
Good read on the political scene: http://tinyurl.com/asr9lsz
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Ron Johnson and Tammy Baldwin Represent Split-Electorate Dynamic
By Meredith Shiner
Roll Call Staff
Nov. 10, 2012, 10:11 a.m.
Bill Clark/CQ Roll Call
What do you get when you pair a tea party champion with one of Congress’ most progressive lawmakers in the Senate? The people of Wisconsin are about to find out.
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Dan,
How about including the States that have the highest union membership, especially governmemt unions?
Or, how about the States that tax their constituents the highest?
Or, how about the States that have replaced belief in an omnipotent God with love and reverence of government?
Just a thought…
Dan,
We could keep going with Mr. Maniscalco’s ways of breaking it completely down. How about states that empower their women with choice and education versus those who don’t; those that try to pray their problems away versus those that take a humane proactive approach. We could go all day with this…
JT
I personally don’t feel democratic societies are leaning towards love and reverence for government as much as I think it is love and reverence for their fellow human, love and reverence for equality of all people, not just those that can afford it.
Speaking of uneducated….
The ballot count is currently 50.6% Obama – 47.9% Romney, with some states still counting. In 2008, John McCain got 59,456,814 votes, Romney currently at 58,487,232 votes. The $2.5 billion spent by Romney’s billionaire cohorts and super pacs against President Obama didn’t buy him the election.
Parsing the numbers of the votes that have been counted, the President’s final popular vote margin of victory will be around 3.14% over Romney. This can be compared to the GW Bush’s margin of victory of 2.45% in 2004 in which Bush claimed to been given a “mandate”. Bush did not reach 290 EV – the President has over 330 electoral votes and an equal percentage of the popular vote – how can republicans claim in 2012 that this President’s win is not a “mandate”? How is this not a “landslide” and major indictment on the policies and platform of the republicans? Republicans continue to be in denial.
These republicans are the same people who think climate change is a hoax, there is a separate category of “legitimate” rape, are unable to understand polling science, and still just can’t grasp basic math…no wonder they lost
To be the winning party, you guys still seem desperate to prove how dumb and uneducated anyone who disagrees with you is. You are really great ambassadors for tolerance and open minds. Dan (or Dans), spurious correlations are easy to come by and don’t prove anything. If you want to see a truly meaningful depiction of how geography and demographics played into the election, look at a color coded national map that is broken down by city and county. It is very telling about what happened. Obama carried the urban population centers. Because they are population centers they have more of everyone, not just educated people. These population centers also have more minority voters and more poor people. Those are demographics that almost certainly supported Obama. The rest of the country by and large went for Romney.
Your attempt to paint the political divide as one of intelligence v. ignorance is truly telling of how your attitude toward opinions different than your own. To have been such staunch supporters of “the 47%” before the election, you sure seem to be dismissive of some of them now.
The question on my mind now though is when will what happens with the country and government belong to Obama? Or will this four years be just like the last four where he gets credit for any tiny sliver of good, but anything bad is always someone elses fault?
And Dan C., as far as your whole little voter suppression theory goes -OMG, REALLY? Obama won by a smaller margin so it clearly had to be voter suppression in your mind? It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the fact that so many voters were disillusioned with the broken promises of the last campaign and so tired of the miserably slow and ineffective “Obama recovery.” No, that couldn’t possibly be it. Had to be voter suppression.
The fact is, Obama failed to deliver on much of the promised hope and change from ’08 and it cost him some support. It just didn’t cost him enough support to cost prevent his re-election. You really need to get a grip on reality. A terrible economy, a bitter partisan divide in a gridlocked Congress, four years of unemployment at 8%+ and an utter unwillingness on the part of either side to compromise or cooperate will cost you some support. The unbiased fact of the matter is, there probably were some efforts to intimidate voters, suppress votes and commit voter fraud, ON BOTH SIDES. However, when you compare the voter turnout and demographics of this election to every other US presidential election in history, there wasn’t much of an effect either way.
Right wing talking point – the states without voter photo id requirements did not vote for Obama.
The truth – There are only 4 states with photo ID requirements. Those 4 states Indiana, Georgia, Tennessee, and Kansas. States with republican legislatures and republican governments. States which vote republican (although Indiana did vote blue in 2008).
We know you Faux swallowing sheep don’t like it that your party is run by asshats who are anti-intellectual bigots. We know you don’t like being the party of ‘duh’. Surely some of you value science and logic and reason. Surely some of you value evidence and facts.
Surely some of you have the grace to be embarrassed by the conduct of your party’s tv channel on election night.
Change your party. Fix what is wrong. Or abandon them for a better way. The Republican Party of 2010-2012 is dead, it can no longer win significant battleground states. Not even by alienating voters.
Adapt or die.
“If you want to see a truly meaningful depiction of how geography and demographics played into the election, look at a color coded national map that is broken down by city and county. It is very telling about what happened. Obama carried the urban population centers. Because they are population centers they have more of everyone, not just educated people. These population centers also have more minority voters and more poor people. Those are demographics that almost certainly supported Obama. The rest of the country by and large went for Romney.”
I looked at that map, Chuck. It’s absolutely fascinating. It’s also completely irrelevant.
It WOULD be relevant if cows, prairie dogs and scorpions could vote. But those darn forefathers of ours decided they could not.
So here is your mission: Get a constitutional amendment passed, so that cows, prairie dogs and scorpions can vote! Then that map may be relevant.
Good luck.
Sorry, morons. We’ve already documented the correlation between welfare states and 0bama supporters. Nine of the top ten welfare states by percentage voted for 0bama.
1. CA
2 ME
4 MA
5 VT
6 DC
7 NY
8 MI
9 WA
10 NM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/31910310/The_Biggest_US_Welfare_States?slide=17
The election was all about the goodies, and it’s going to get worse. But you liberals have done this to your kids’ future, so you have only yourselves to blame.
Change your party. Fix what is wrong. Or abandon them for a better way. The Republican Party of 2010-2012 is dead, it can no longer win significant battleground states. Not even by alienating voters.
Adapt or die.
It has nothing to do with policy, Warlock. It’s about freebies. The only “alienation” going on is we refuse to give away the store to these leeches. Why don’t you ask the 880 of 893 Melrose precinct voters who went for 0bama which Romney positions they disagreed with. I’ll wager you 50% couldn’t identify both members of the GOP ticket.
#25 Chuck,
“To be the winning party, you guys still seem desperate to prove how dumb and uneducated anyone who disagrees with you is.”
I know, Chuck I know; those little red and blue bar graphs can be so cruel sometimes.
Not to rub your nose in it or anything but many conservatives have already point out the Republican Party caters to uneducated hicks;
Rick Santorum: “The Smart People Will Never Be On Our Side”
Suzie’s still smarting over the fact that the number of small businesses grew at an annual rate of 2.3 percent after Clinton INCREASED income-tax rates on the top tier, while small businesses grew at a rate of 1 percent after Bush CUT taxes on the top tier.
hey girls and boys,
why don’t we see how the top 10 states which have the highest abortion rates voted (abort data per a report by CBSNews for 2008):
1. Delaware 40 aborts per 1000 females aged 15-40 …..obama/biden…
2. New Jersey 37.4 aborts per 1000 females aged 15-40 …obama.biden…
3. Maryland 29 aborts per 1000 females aged 15-40 …..obama/biden…
4. Wash.DC 29.9 aborts per 1000 females aged 15-40 …obama/biden…
5. Florida 27.9 aborts per 1000 females aged 15-40 …obama/biden…
6. California 27.6 aborts per 1000 females aged 15-40 …obama/biden…
7. Nevada 25.9 aborts per 1000 females aged 15-40 …obama/biden…
8. Connecticut 24.6 aborts per 1000 females aged 15-40 …obama/biden…
9. Rhode Is. 22.9 aborts per 1000 females aged 15-40 …obama/biden…
10.Hawaii 22.6 aborts per 1000 females aged 15-40 …obama/biden…
….cause they’re so smart, ya see.
Dan and Chuck: Here’s a very interesting collection of maps that take into account population and vote percentages. It makes clear that the guiding principle is one-person, one-vote, not one-square-mile, one vote.
As an aside, Suzie is cracking me up. She can’t decide if the election was stolen or if half the country she professes to love is now made up of leeches. Such a bitter, bitter person for an alleged Christian. “Howsoever you treat the least of these,” Jesus said, “is how you treat me.” I guess Suzie would call Jesus a leech.
Suzie’s still smarting over the fact that the number of small businesses grew at an annual rate of 2.3 percent after Clinton INCREASED income-tax rates on the top tier, while small businesses grew at a rate of 1 percent after Bush CUT taxes on the top tier.
Is Dan still trying to give the accomplishments of the GOP Congress from 1995-99 to Clinton? I thought we’d taken care of that.
But just to remind everyone, the incredible growth of the late 1990s correlates directly with the reduced spending rates during the same time. As I’ve demonstrated, Clinton spent about the same his first two years with a Democrat Congress as the GOP Congress spent the next FIVE years after that.
Elly May Clampett is sure getting more and more shrewish with every post…tends to happen with losers….
Yes, we couldn’t possibly have been shellacked because our candidate was a dork, Obama gave everyone a phone! Pretty lame, even for the wingnuts.
What happened to Ms. Suzie’s promise to leave? I told you she’d be back! As much as I disagree with what Chuck has to say, at least he remains civil to the point I read his posts. When someone starts the discussion by calling me a moron does she seriously think I’m going to read what more she has to say let alone be swayed by what she has to say? How smart is it to call someone a moron and then try to convince them of your point of view. Talk about not being smart…
Chuck, consumer confidence up again:
http://www.conference-board.org/data/consumerconfidence.cfm
Suze, the increase in federal spending under Obama is LESS than the increase in federal spending under Clinton was.
It may be one of the reasons he was re-elected, who knows?
Your lies about it notwithstanding.
Seems hard to reconcile that graph with the claim that Obama supporters are moochers and dead beats. BTW my husband and I, along with most of our friends, support Obama and we have never been on public assistance and we pay our share of income tax.
Say what you want, cry all you want, the fact remains President Obama won. Carl Rove and his rich buddies wasted their money. They don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes but they will waste their money on a loser like Romney.
So the final count has Romney at 47.9%. How ironic is that?
Teresa:
6.”What does it say about America that one of our two major parties cannot win any voter with critical thinking skills?”
Those voting for free stuff just don’t care, but those blue voters who were voting for a better country long-term, have no critical thinking skills. Your position on gun rights says a lot about your critical thinking skills too.
Art Hill:
“Obama gave everyone a phone!”
I know someone whose mother got an Obama phone. It came in the mail to her complete with a service plan. A total think-of-me-on-Nov-6th freebie.
She can’t decide if the election was stolen or if half the country she professes to love is now made up of leeches.
It’s a lot of both, genius.
Such a bitter, bitter person for an alleged Christian. “Howsoever you treat the least of these,” Jesus said, “is how you treat me.” I guess Suzie would call Jesus a leech.
Jesus wasn’t talking about the obese “poor” like here in America who sit on their asses all day and have more than the middle class in most nations; he was talking about the truly poor like in Africa who haven’t enough to eat. Like the ones we saw in Zimbabwe last week. These are the folks the leftwingers don’t give a fig about. They can’t vote Democrat, you know.
Suze, the increase in federal spending under Obama is LESS than the increase in federal spending under Clinton was.
You’re full of crap, Dan. You just throw crap out there. Maybe your dimwit leftwing regs lap it up, but the rest of us don’t.
#37 Everybody knew it would happen. When somebody asked the troll why she was back her answer was the same as my son’s when he’s pretending he’s back in elementary school — “I do what I want.” (lower lip sticking out)
What happened to Ms. Suzie’s promise to leave? I told you she’d be back! As much as I disagree with what Chuck has to say, at least he remains civil to the point I read his posts. When someone starts the discussion by calling me a moron does she seriously think I’m going to read what more she has to say let alone be swayed by what she has to say? How smart is it to call someone a moron and then try to convince them of your point of view. Talk about not being smart…
What makes you think I left yet, moron?
Elly May Clampett is sure getting more and more shrewish with every post…tends to happen with losers….
I’ll be fine, baby. But your meds are going to shoot through the roof. I am SO pleased you get to be the beneficiary of the misery you enabled. You go, girl!!
I know, Chuck I know; those little red and blue bar graphs can be so cruel sometimes.
Not to rub your nose in it or anything but many conservatives have already point out the Republican Party caters to uneducated hicks;
Steve C thinks he’s sitting pretty because he’s got four more years of government relief rolling in. Women still don’t respect leeches, though, Steve C.
“the party of ‘duh’”
Thanks for the chuckle.
Here’s a correlation for you
In 1860 twelve states permitted slavery
11 of them voted for Romney
Here’s another
20 states had Jim Crow laws re: education and schools
17 of them voted fpor Romney
Here’s another
15 states had Jim Crow laws re: transportation
13 of them voted for Romney
And one more
15 states are subjecct ot section 5 of the voting rights act
12 ofr them voted for Romney
The Republicans “southern strategy” is killing them in the rst of the country.
Comment by Suzie — November 10, 2012 @ 4:57 pm
“I thought….”
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Yeah, right. There she goes lying again.
Re: Comment by scott whitaker — November 10, 2012 @ 5:10 pm
What happened to Ms. Suzie’s promise to leave? I told you she’d be back!
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With all due respect, would not old Rants & Raves w/lies have had to leave in order to “be back”?
She/he can’t even get that right. So, IMHO, you are giving her far too much credit.
“So the final count has Romney at 47.9%. How ironic is that?”
That’s not ironic. That’s karmic!
You have to give Romney credit. He did say something to the effect that 47% of the population were irrelevant or only voting for what’s in it for them and not for the good of the country or something of that sort.
“I know someone whose mother got an Obama phone.”
John, calm down, guy.
Yo, Jethrene,
Mugabe called, you forgot your cred.
Speaking of demographics and geography (and science!), these election maps are fascinating: http://deepseanews.com/2012/11/update-on-geology-and-the-election/ Those blue-voting counties represent the Cotton Belt, which became such because of the fossilized remains of millions of prehistoric plankton that made the soil conducive to growing cotton (see here for explanation: http://deepseanews.com/2012/06/how-presidential-elections-are-impacted-by-a-100-million-year-old-coastline/). Many of the people voting in those counties are the descendants of slaves brought into this country to work on cotton plantations.
Art Hill@10:54
Surely you know that snopes is just another commie left wing organization
financed by George Soros and the dumbass labor unions whose prime purpose is to distort the truth as espoused by the patriots of the tea party and the God fearing Repuiblican conservatives. Those phones are also a part of the ICLEI/UN conspiracy to take over America and will be used by the people who receive them to spy on their neighbors and help the DOJ identify all the gunowners so they know where to go wqhen they get ready to confiscate all their semi automatic weapons next year. SNORT!
Suzie in #29: Why don’t you ask the 880 of 893 Melrose precinct voters who went for 0bama which Romney positions they disagreed with.
So Suzie, is Melrose your own personal “Zimbabwe”? Was your voyage to the Heart of Darkness part of the election process, e.g. as a poll worker or a Roanoke Republican Party/Committee person? I’m not sure rolling up in a Republican-stickered Miata or Beetle is going to intimidate the natives.
We ought to really stick it to the southern states by giving tax breaks to race mixed couples. It will be payback for Jim Crow laws and racism. Hell we ought to have white couples pay a tax for acting in a manner likely to cause future racism. You have to mix race if you want me to believe you arn’t racist.
It’s just a dream right now, but four years ago I thought a mixed race president was just a dream too.
45.Suze, the increase in federal spending under Obama is LESS than the increase in federal spending under Clinton was.
You’re full of crap, Dan. You just throw crap out there. Maybe your dimwit leftwing regs lap it up, but the rest of us don’t.
Comment by Suzie — November 10, 2012 @ 8:25 pm
Facts are challenging to you Suzieq, but they are what they are. Read the article linked below to see some. I believe spending needs to be reduced as well, but we would likely disagree as to where those cuts should be made.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/
“Right now, I feel dirty associating with people who made this disaster happen.”
It’s obvious Screwzie is still here because she likes feeling dirty.
I have previously touched on these 100% original thoughts before, but I have determined there are three types of liberals:
1. The Takers. These are the folks at the lowest level who are paid off for their votes. At the top of this group are folks who profit handsomely from leftwing policies such as abortion mill owners and union bosses. Down from them are the union workers paid off for their support. Down the line are the fourth-generation welfare queens looking to the gov’t for a baby daddy. Then there are the illegals who crawl under barbed-wire fence for the free food stamps they were promised by 0bama. At the bottom-feeder level are the drunks, druggies, and homeless who are paid off for their votes with cigarettes and booze. Those on this level bear the least blame for their roles, as they weak people who succumb from their basest selves to temptations laid before them.
2 The Enablers: These people are more prosperous than the takers. The lower they are at this level, the more benign their intentions. At the bottom are the granola heads, the festival-goers, and the Oprah-watchers. These folks are gullible not-real-bright conduits carrying out the diabolical work of the Masterminds. They’ve been fooled into thinking they’re doing something worthwhile. Almost all the leftwing posters in this blog fall into this category.
At the middle level are small-time ‘journalists’ like Dan who take direct talking points from the Masterminds and try to sway the takers. At the top end of this tier are the national MSM journalist who conference with the Masterminds to push the evil agenda. George Stephanopoulos falls into this for purposely introducing ‘birth control’ in the GOP debate, trying to create an issue to help 0bama. Also included are network anchors and the presidential debate moderators.
3. The Masterminds. These are the truly evil despicable people who scheme ways to create a dependent class to enhance their own power and wealth. At the pinnacle are the truly evil radicals who devise all the schemes and distribute marching orders. These are hidden moneymen and professional anarchists who work closely with the president, Congressional leaders, and top MSM senior editors. They’re the ones who send 0bama to Mexico to talk about food stamps, they time the Sandra Fluck appearance, they tell the New York Times angles will be, they coordinate 0bama’s NJ photo op along with worshipful coverage of the event. They create Occupy Wall Street to create chaos, then direct the press to praise them; they determine Benghazi will be ignored. This circle of people who have the ability to destroy trillions in wealth, stifle liberty, create massive financial distress, pervert the truth, and enslave millions of people in dependency for the sake of their own power and money will, as assuredly as you and I sit here, someday line the gates of hell and wail in pain and misery for all eternity.
sure, you can debate educated against uneducated..but that does not count in stupidity, which cant be helped..0bummer the Tyrant is your new Lord.
most ill-informed posted: “I’ll be fine, baby. But your meds are going to shoot through the roof. I am SO pleased you get to be the beneficiary of the misery you enabled. You go, girl!!
Comment by Suzie — November 10, 2012 @ 8:27 pm
And Elly May Clampett is becoming more and more incoherent…Wow. That’s what happens to losers.
….cause they’re so smart, ya see.
That’s right, Frank. Smart people have abortions and apply for welfare. And they don’t seem to know how to clean up after natural disasters, either.
Sigh! Bring in the red-state church people to do what the liberals bureaucrats can’t seem to.
“I looked at that map, Chuck. It’s absolutely fascinating. It’s also completely irrelevant.
It WOULD be relevant if cows, prairie dogs and scorpions could vote. But those darn forefathers of ours decided they could not.
So here is your mission: Get a constitutional amendment passed, so that cows, prairie dogs and scorpions can vote! Then that map may be relevant.”
Dan, if here in the Hudson Valley we could get our overabundence of deer and turkey and black bear to vote, it would be helpful. I believe the point trying to be made regarding urban versus suburband/rural is that the urban masses tend to exercise too much control over their suburban/rural cousins who do NOT benefit from that control.
A specific example: The NYC MTA cannot keep its fiscal house in order. It spends more than it takes in (sound familiar?). In order to provide raises to its employees, it instituted a payroll taxe on all employers within its operating area. All employers; not just those whoese employees actually use the MTA. In the operation of my business, neither I nor my assistant can use the MTA services. Its bus routes and subways and bridges are not located in Orange County NY. Yet, I was forced to pay a payroll tax for services neither rendered nor utlized. The force of the urban center being exerted on the suburban/rural.(There are still many farms up here).
The same type of urban force is being exerted against the rest of the country. What is important to NYC, Boston, LA, Philadelphia, etc. is usually unknown or totally unessential to the balance of the country.
While I am not advocating cutting off the urban from the suburban/rural, I do believe here, too, a balance must be met. There are too many Tom Friedmans wondering about Kansas. They probaly wonder about Roanoke, too.
You have to laugh at the ongoing obsession with the mythical ” Obama phone”. Face it. Romney lost because he was a mediocre candidate surrounded by a GOP that’s busily engaged in driving itself into extincton. People hate the Tea Party, the vaginophobic message, the demonizing of minorities and immigrants, and the deification of the looters. Obama had a better organization, more actual support,and is a better candidate. Just like in 2008. The republicans have been rejected, and they can either deal with that realistically or curl up in the corner rocking their Cabbage Patch kids, popping Lexapro, and muttering incoherently about “Obama phones”.
Thejr choice. Personally I don’t care if a republican makes it to the office of dogcatcher, ever again.
Ron, Suze won’t read that article. She can’t handle the truth.
Educated v. Uneducated ?? What a joke…should read educated v. re-educated, as in `indoctrinated`, `brainwashed`, weak-minded, etc.
#64…Very, Very well stated…It fits these zombies and their OWNERS to a tee !
“Educated v. Uneducated ?? What a joke…should read educated v. re-educated, as in `indoctrinated`, `brainwashed`, weak-minded, etc.”
Jeff Doto, for once you are correct. There are the most educated states, which are reality based and all went for Obama, and then there are the states that have been indoctrinated into TPer dumbness, where the minds seem weak. Those went for Romney, of course.
By the way, until recently you seemed to be living in one of them.
“Bloomburg news ???? I fully expect to read alot about this and many other MADE-UP stories….You see, obama is behind and the liberal media is beyond desperate….The liberal bloggers, straight from thier mommies basements, will create any LIES imaginable, just wait and see. Please don`t laugh at them…they just can`t help themselves.”
–Comment by Jeff Doto, Oct. 30.
“Romney will win, despite all of the liberal `cheating`….Obama can`t win w/o lying.”
–Comment by Jeff Doto, Oct. 22
RWers and elusive facts…
Let’s talk about those “value” voters who are conversely republican and ‘moochers”
“In every year during this 20-year period, between 25 and 32 states have gained more in federal spending programs than they have paid in taxes to the federal government, while the remaining minority of states has footed the bill. This political economy of redistribution plays out in the Electoral College as increasingly Republican STATES ARE INCREASINGLY DEPENDENT ON FEDERAL SPENDING” [my caps for the dimwitted]
http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/07/red-states-love-free-stuff-blue-states-pay-bills
and let’s talk about those government hating “Christians”…
“Liberty University, a veritable Southern Baptist dream where students cannot drink, smoke, or engage in “sexual immorality”, and must adhere to a “reasonable dress code”.
[...]
“the university that in 2010 received nearly $445 ml in federal aid.”
[...]
“a university that was once near bankruptcy has seen an impressive resurgence largely due an infusion of [our tax] money.”
http://pculpa.com/libertarian/38-blog-entry/286-jerry-falwells-liberty-university-receives-more-federal-aid-than-pbs-defund-it.html
and the hypocrisy continues…
Regarding Shrillary’s comment about Liberty U: that was reported right here on this blog, and Jerry Falwell Jr. himself got into the discussion, as you can see from the comments. He posted as “Jerry.”
At first, I was leery that it was some other reader, masquerading as Jerry Jr. But it turned out to be the man himself. And he invited me over to the campus in Lynchburg, where I spent about an hour with him and 6 or so of university leadership, in a conference room, where we discussed all the federal money that was pouring into Liberty, and Lynchburg, as a result of LU’s huge expansion as an online university.
You can slice and dice and argue about all the money that’s coming in in the form of Pell grants and guaranteed student loans for all day and probably longer, if you want to. It’s true, as they pointed out, that Liberty is not-for-profit, unlike those for-profit online universities.
But the bottom line is that money has been a boon to LU, which less than 10 years ago was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and begging its creditors to forgive its loans. And that federal money has had an enormous stimulative effect on the university, and on Lynchburg itself, because LU continues to buy up empty commercial and industrial properties. It’s fair to say that pretty much ALL the growth in Lynchburg in recent years has been fueled by LU, and ALL of that some from the hundreds of millions of federal loans and grants that has been pouring in largely as a result of their online program.
#64 suzie, you’ve completely imploded. And, troll, we’re having a great time watching this. It truly is hysterical, in a sort of pitiful way, but nobody deserves it more than you.
It started with your declaration that some socialist airline had made you two days late (I’m sure that the snowball effect from Sandy had nothing to with it); on to your pouting, whiny declaration that you were going to make yourself scarce; and followed by a veritable flood of incoherent keyboard diarrhea, including a whole collection of election excuses that we had already accurately predicted you would attempt to use. You are just so easy.
Actually, Jethro the Dodo was one of the wing ‘tards who assured us the President Obama had woken up a sleeping giant, that November was coming, yada, yada, yada.
Jethro, here a clue for you; the south didn’t rise again so if you were depending on a Romney administration to set your entrepreneur sprit free, well, it looks like you’ll be stuck doing manual labor again for the next four year. On the other hand, maybe now you could get one of those free Obama cell phone that all the other conservitard’s inform us are readily available for the indigent like yourself. Man, if they only gave out Obama deer rifles, you’d be all set!
Hey, Jethro, don’t go getting all pouty face on me; even though you won’t be announcing the launching of your new cutting edge software company until January of 2017 now, your ol’ buddy Steve C has plenty of work for you to do until “the black problem” ceases wrecking your life 4 years and 2 months from now; if you can find your way to the SMART bus, catch a ride down to the ‘noke and I’ll put you to work raking leaves in my back yard. You don’t even need to bring a rake, just show up sober and ready to work. 6 bucks an hour sound fair? I know it’s a low but its tax free under the table and thus exceeds your hourly net at Wendy’s and you won’t even smell like the deep fryer when you’re done. Hope you can make it down here this afternoon; the trees have been raining down leaves on my lot, but if you get them up I’ll make it rain down George Washington’s on you so hard you’ll think you’ve been caught in a dollar bill snow storm. Make this happen, Jethro; you need beer money and I need a clean yard; win-win, buddy.
Jack J Maniscalco
If that rural/suburban culture and its busines and economic foundation did not have that urban mass market to buy its goods and products, it would become just like SWVA has become, a backwards, uneducated and stagnant culture dependent upon a dying industry such as coal. Its best and brightest citizens would soon be looking to mve to an urban center where it could find challenges and make a living.
Suzie@6:34 AM
Obviously the partanoiac early morning musings of a person who has just experienced a bad acid trip and has awakened in a confused and melancholy state of mind.
Thanks Jack. You just demonstrated the typical liberal elitism that turns people off. You just dismissed a large portion of the entire country as being irrelevant. You of oh-so-offended-by-the-47%-comment. While your busy advocating for the urban centers to rule over the rest of the hicks, ask yourself, is turning the country into one big inner city really a good thing?
Sorry Jack, I was actually directing that at Dan.
Every time the republican mask of conservative hypocrisy comes off by exposing that, what they SAY and what they DO, are at complete odds with their “self sufficient, personal responsibility” meme – they freak out and cry “foul”. If poor people shouldn’t be provided with safety nets, why should Falwell’s followers? Why doesn’t the Falwell empire give handouts with their own largess to their poorer “Christian” brethren who may need help?
Why should my tax dollars go and support the education of Falwellians who will ultimately try forcing the Ten Commandments on public schools or force rape victims to undergo transvaginal ultra sounds just to appease their own religiosity? Couldn’t the Falwell empire sell one of their myriad of planes, boats, or cars to support their needy students? Of course not – that would indicate that they do actually have moral convictions.
I guess it is okay for the great “satan” government and the average taxpayer to bail out their poor business decisions…does the hypocrisy from this group never end?”
Granddad.
I admitted your side won. But you didn’t win the battle of ideas; you won because your side has perverted the system. So what did you win, really? A worse life for your kid?
And just think..you helped it happen. You ought to feel like hell.
RWers and elusive facts…
Let’s talk about those “value” voters who are conversely republican and ‘moochers”
“In every year during this 20-year period, between 25 and 32 states have gained more in federal spending programs than they have paid in taxes to the federal government, while the remaining minority of states has footed the bill. This political economy of redistribution plays out in the Electoral College as increasingly Republican STATES ARE INCREASINGLY DEPENDENT ON FEDERAL SPENDING” [my caps for the dimwitted]
http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/07/red-states-love-free-stuff-blue-states-pay-bills
and let’s talk about those government hating “Christians”…
“Liberty University, a veritable Southern Baptist dream where students cannot drink, smoke, or engage in “sexual immorality”, and must adhere to a “reasonable dress code”.
[...]
“the university that in 2010 received nearly $445 ml in federal aid.”
[...]
“a university that was once near bankruptcy has seen an impressive resurgence largely due an infusion of [our tax] money.”
http://pculpa.com/libertarian/38-blog-entry/286-jerry-falwells-liberty-university-receives-more-federal-aid-than-pbs-defund-it.html
and the hypocrisy continues…
Wrong and wrong.
1. The first claim is so damn tiresome. We’ve debunked it as meaningless in here at least four times. Large population states will always subsidize smaller ones because of land area differences. But the producers in the blue states are mostly Republican while the leeches in the red states are mostly Democrats.
2. Students using their own PELL grant money doesn’t equal federal handouts for a university any more than welfare recipients buying groceries at Walmart is a federal handout for Walmart.
“Morons….your bus is leaving” -Phil Conners, “Groundhog Day”
“Thanks [Dan]. You just demonstrated the typical liberal elitism that turns people off. You just dismissed a large portion of the entire country as being irrelevant. You of oh-so-offended-by-the-47%-comment. While your busy advocating for the urban centers to rule over the rest of the hicks, ask yourself, is turning the country into one big inner city really a good thing?”
Chuck, voters (people) vote. Square miles do not vote. That is our system. If you believe it should be different, or that prairie dogs or cows should be able to vote, or that 1 person living in a cabin surrounded by 100 uninhabited square miles in Alaska should have the same juice in an election for president as a all of the voters in a 100-square mile encompassing New York City, then you are free to work to change that system. So get to work. Otherwise, you’re doing nothing more than howling at the moon.
I would not that the anti-democratic Secretary of State of Ohio, Husted, had yet ANOTHER scheme up his sleeve for Ohio’s presidential-election future — he’s going to try to rig Ohio like Maine and Nebraska, so that the state’s electoral votes will be divvied up according the popular vote in each congressional district. Pennsylvania actually flirted with that scheme earlier this year. But the Republican incumbents in Congress there were too scared to go along, because they knew that it would lead to concerted congressional district challenges that would risk costing them their seats.
That’s what will happen in Ohio, and in Fla., if those states go this route, in a desperate attempt to rig the next presidential election.
We should just do away with the Electoral College and be done with this stupidity.
You have to laugh at the ongoing obsession with the mythical ” Obama phone”. Face it. Romney lost because he was a mediocre candidate surrounded by a GOP that’s busily engaged in driving itself into extincton. People hate the Tea Party, the vaginophobic message, the demonizing of minorities and immigrants, and the deification of the looters. Obama had a better organization, more actual support,and is a better candidate. Just like in 2008. The republicans have been rejected, and they can either deal with that realistically or curl up in the corner rocking their Cabbage Patch kids, popping Lexapro, and muttering incoherently about “Obama phones”.
Wrong, hon. It’s none of those things. It’s about the goodies and the cheating. Nothing else. Romney could have been Jesus Christ, and still would have gotten more than 13 votes at Melrose.
Yay. Kristen’s side won, and she helped. Now her son gets to live at home after college while he looks for a non-existent “green” job! Woohoo!
I agree 100% with doing away with the electoral college. I realize that people, not sq.miles vote. I am interested though, you think that if a states popular vote went 50/50, splitting the electoral vote from that state would be “rigging” the election rather than creating an electoral vote that more accurately represented the will of the people. I mean back in 2000 you guys were all about how the will of the people had been over-ridden by an archaic system that was designed for an era past.
It particularly outrages Suzie that the “cheating” she perceives in the Melrose precinct occurred at a polling place inside a Catholic Church. That’s where Melrose voted, inside St. Gerard’s.
And she’s so angry about it, and that fact that most Catholics voted for Obama, that she welched on our wager, (which candidate would win Va), and her earlier promise to write a check to the Catholic Ancilla College if she lost.
Dave, Shrillary, and Granddad,
Sorry my post contained so many big words that it was “incoherent” to you three. Wow. Are they sending down talking points just for response to my posts? They must be worried about little ol’ Suzie.
Anyone interested in watching the awakening of the RWers to the realization that they were lied to, should take a look at the RedState.com blogs. Many are calling out the right wing media and their minions for duping them into believing that, (a) Obama would never win re-election, and (b) Romney would win in a landslide…
Comments like this, “”Republicans have been fleeced, exploited, and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex.” I can’t agree more and it makes me angry.”
I was, for one split second sorry for them – then I came back here and read the delusional posts by most ill-informed and all the other RW posters living in an alternative reality – and I got over the sympathy quickly.
All those voters [currently 50.8%] who cast their ballots for the President knew exactly for whom and for what they were voting ….republicans were not voting FOR anything, not even Romney, they were voting AGAINST President Obama. They lacked any motivation but one – their hatred of this President, and that hatred sunk them. And for my part, I hope they stay “sunk”.
It particularly outrages Suzie that the “cheating” she perceives in the Melrose precinct occurred at a polling place inside a Catholic Church. That’s where Melrose voted, inside St. Gerard’s.
I agree it’s shameful the Democrat cheating machine would defile a Catholic Church by carrying out its diabolic scheme within its doors.
@83 Comment by Suzie — November 11, 2012 @ 1:52 pm
“I admitted your side won”
Yes, and please complete that thought…your “side” lost, therefore you are a LOSER…but of course we have all known that all along…and a whiny loser at that.
St. Gerard’s is a nice little church with much diversity. You can be sure most of it’s regulars didn’t support the party of abortion. I think they should end their association with the cheating anti-life Democrats who run these polls.
@89
Suzie welched on a bet? I can’t believe it? Which tactic did she/it use: denial of having lost or changing the terms of the wager after she lost?
“I am interested though, you think that if a states popular vote went 50/50, splitting the electoral vote from that state would be “rigging” the election rather than creating an electoral vote that more accurately represented the will of the people.”
Bull. That’s NOT what I said, Chuck. If you want to apportion a state’s electoral votes according to the popular vote in that state, I have no problem with that. It would amount to one-man, one vote and it would be fair. But it would be dumb to go through those motions, because the under that scenario, the Electoral College outcome would ALWAYS mirror the popular vote. Why not just go for the popular vote?
The rigging that I’m opposed to is a different scenario. It’s one that would have seen the majority of Ohio’s electoral votes go to Romney, because 12 of Ohio’s 16 seats in Congress are held by the GOP. So, even though Obama WON the state, under Husted’s plan two-thirds of its electoral votes would have gone to Romney.
If Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, Virginia and Wisconsin were rigged that way in the 2012 election, Romney would have gotten a majority of the electoral votes from each, even though he lost ALL those states. And, he would have hit 270 and today he’d be president.
That outcome — an electoral college outcome that’s often at odd with the popular vote, because of gerrymandered districts — is what I’m opposed to, Chuck. You should be, too. But with your continued prattling about red vs blue on the national map, I really wonder if you are.
So inspirational at this eye watering hole.
..No joke..after reading through what I thought
was going to be an exodus of sorts here because
of the sadness caused by the election I pondered
a song. One that I was going to call “How Can I Miss
Her if She Wont Leave”
I Googled…I never got out of the starting gate.
Someone beat me to it by a lot. But it was even the style I-d have chosen.
Fickle promise breakers have always been here. They’ve never gone away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW9-FOLG-iA
Re: Comment by Suzie — November 11, 2012 @ 2:29 pm
Are you delusional or lying or do you have another explanation for your claims (in the face of empirical evidence to the contrary) that you speak for / represent the “typical” Roman Catholic?
See: my comment (#51) @ http://tinyurl.com/auu6h4c
“Reuters/Ipsos exit polling found that 51 percent of Catholics favored President Barack Obama, compared with 48 percent for Republican contender Mitt Romney. A report by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life had a similar finding, with 50 percent of Catholics for Obama and 48 percent for Romney, the same as the popular vote in the general population.”
Easy Dan. It sounds like we agree on this issue (your insults aside). I misunderstood what you were saying earlier. If it will make you feel better and maybe help alleviate a little of the name calling and vitriol, let me say for the record, I favor going with a pure popular vote count. In this day and age there is no reason not to. Also, let me say this. Obama won. I don’t think the election was fixed, rigged or otherwise. I also don’t think Obama is ineligible to be president. I never have supported the birther arguments and if you will put aside your hatred of people who disagree with you politically for a few minutes you might realize that. I also don’t oppose Obama because of his race, which is perhaps the most insulting tripe that has been hurled my way here. I just disagree with his politics. It’s that simple.
I think both parties have diminished themselves to the point of shame over the past few years, but I still believe in the democratic process and our system of government. However, in order for it to work, it has to be done as honestly and fairly as possible. I believe every person who is legally eligible to vote should vote and that every person’s vote should be just as valuable as everyone else’s. The voting booth, if no where else, should be the place where everyone is equal. I don’t think someone’s vote in NY should be worth more than someone’s vote in South Dakota, but under the present system, it is. That’s what I’m talking about with the national map, not raw land mass or that there is more red than blue. I’m talking about the inequity of having a few select areas determine the outcome of national elections. IMO the ONLY way to truly correct this is amend the Constitution and use the popular vote exclusively.
On a personal note, you can suspect whatever you’d like about me. The simple fact is, you don’t know me. You think you do because you disagree with my politics but at the end of the day, you know very little about me. You constantly lump me in with others and you constantly question my integrity, but you do so with no basis in fact or history. You guys on the left are so intolerant of any political differences that you immediately paint anyone who disagrees with the broad brush of your stereotypical enemy. You guys love to talk about Republican obstructionism and hate, but the problems with our political system and the divide in our nation is not merely the fault of one party. Some of you need to take a good look in the mirror.
Fine Chuck, we are on the same page with regard to electoral reform.
Do you realized that election by popular vote favors the population centers (because that’s where the voters are)?
And if you do, why do you continue to take umbrage to my point that the red vs. blue map is irrelevant? You called it an “elitist” view. But it’s not. It’s a perspective that’s grounded in reality.
The viewpoint that believes that map is relevant is not grounded in reality.
As ballots are still being counted, and there are daily winners and losers announced for House races – with those races that presently lean Democratic – to win them will change the dynamics of the House of Representatives in the 113th Congress.
Currently, if the Democrats pick up all the yet to be decided races, the new House of Representatives would be composed of 201 Democrats against 234 Republicans.
Before this election, the House make up was 240 Republicans and 190 Democrats. Not only did the Democrats hold onto the majority in the Senate, they increased their numbers, as they seemed to have done in the House races.
I dont think of it as ” my side ” winning. I like to think of it as America winning. I’m sure Gdad and Shrillary would agree.
Probably time to stop entertaining this “Obama cheated” crap. Let’s help our disgruntled friends on the right to handle their new reality gracefully.
Yes, and please complete that thought…your “side” lost, therefore you are a LOSER…but of course we have all known that all along…and a whiny loser at that.
Tell us, sweetheart, what you gained with 0bama’s win. Unless you are one of the leeches. But is bilking the system really a win for you?
Before this election, the House make up was 240 Republicans and 190 Democrats. Not only did the Democrats hold onto the majority in the Senate, they increased their numbers, as they seemed to have done in the House races.
Sure. So now the strategy from the Masterminds will be to target those districts for food stamps, welfare, and more government goodies.
I dont think of it as ” my side ” winning. I like to think of it as America winning. I’m sure Gdad and Shrillary would agree.
Yeah, but then you have to ask yourself “What did I win?” I dunno. Maybe you like the idea your kid can live at home a few more years.
As a result of the election last week our company’s owner called a meeting today with just us, management. We have been told to reduce each section by 25% of it’s current workforce because of the Obamacare law and taxes impact this January 1. I have to decide what workers to let go. I think I’ll take Neil Boortz’s advice and let go the ones who voted Obama.
Kristen –
They have no grace. Only outrage that FoxNews was so wrong. And they have been fed the infallibility BS for so long that someone must have cheated.
Like the 141% BS. Someone doesn’t understand a 2 part ballot, but wants something to shout about and even an ignorant troll can see one number is longer than another. Hilarious.
Re: Comment by Kristen — November 11, 2012 @ 4:36 pm
Well done, Kristen.
OTOH, don’t hold your breath. Round two is just around the corner.
http://tinyurl.com/bbe423x
**
In the aftermath of the 2012 election, battleground Virginia’s political winners and losers
By Associated Press, Updated: Sunday, November 11, 1:08 PM
RICHMOND, Va. — He’d never admit it publicly, but Republican losses on Tuesday presented definite advantages to Virginia’s crusading conservative attorney general, Ken Cuccinelli, as he cranks the engine of his 2013 gubernatorial campaign.
You can’t have a crusade without a villain, and for Cuccinelli and the conservatives who will decide the GOP gubernatorial nomination, their villain of choice — President Barack Obama — has a new four-year term at the White House.
Not since 1973 has Virginia elected a governor of the same party as the president.
SNIP
**
OTOH
Running Terry McAuliffe is likely to make it four decades — regardless what the GOP does.
Will the abortion issue energize folk enough to stop the Cooch? What other issues will the Dem focus on? Will there be third party spoilers?
Those damn lying cheating Republicans. Trying to steal elections like that. Nobody could ever get over 90% of the vote in a precinct.
Lynchburg
Third Ward
second precinct
Romney 3120
Obama 153
Romney 93+%
Impossible!
Re: Comment by Suzie — November 11, 2012 @ 4:41 pm
Don’t think I gained a thing.
For that matter, I’d not be happy whichever one won.
IMHO, we all lost to the far overly partisan Left-and-Right-wing Identities, the polarization of policy, the what-is-in-it-for-the-party, the what-is-in-it-for-me, etc — rather than what is best for the country, future generations, etc.
IMHO, both major parties should adopt Miss Piggy as their symbol. It is all about “What’s in it for moi.”
#102 Kristen, suzie has latched onto the nonexistent massive cheating thing as her latest troll line. We all know it isn’t true, which is why she figures she’ll get responses to it.
And, yes, America did indeed win.
How sweet, the election has upset poor suzie so much, she’s gone back to calling me granddad.
What was gained by an Obama win…well let’s see…
1. An adult in the White House who cares for all Americans, and doesn’t single out 47% for disdain.
2. A President who releases tax returns and pays his taxes without hiding, sending and secreting millions out of the country to the Cayman Islands or Switzerland, or establishing shell companies in Bermuda like Romney.
3. A President who doesn’t punish people for being gay, or an immigrant, or a person of color or a woman…
4. A President who will protect and grow the middle class – unlike Romney who would serve only those wealthy masters like Addelson, Koch Bros and the rest.
5. A President who honors the military personnel who have served our country by not cutting their benefits – unlike the proposed Romney/Ryan budget.
6. A President who believes in education for everyone, not just the entitled 1%
7. A President whose philosophy is not the “top down”, “trickle down” crap promoted and sold like snake oil by republicans.
8. A President respected throughout the world, not the embarrassment that Romney presented on his international flub filled tour.
9. A President who looks to reduce fossil fuel dependency; reduce emissions and protect the environment for future generations.
10. A President who promised to wind down and end the Bush Wars – unlike Romney. who was itching to start a war – using the neocon warmongering language…
11. But mostly, Americans gained a President that can be trusted to do what is right for all citizens – economically, socially, and politically – something that would never have been assured with a Romney win.
Oh, and thanks for asking.
Oh now she is going to feign outrage at someone “bilking the system”, as if the wealthy have not done so for two centuries. The one thing that can be said of Suzie, without reservation, is that she proves illiteracy and ignorance are about much more than what you do not know and cannot do.
“Tell us, sweetheart, what you gained with 0bama’s win. Unless you are one of the leeches. But is bilking the system really a win for you?”
This wasn’t addressed to me, but I’ll answer it. First, I don’t believe I have ever been a “leech.” I’m 54, I started working (part-time) at age 11, and I’ve worked almost continuously since then (there was a short gap when we moved to Maryland when I was 13). I’ve never collected welfare, food stamps, unemployment or been on Medicaid or any other government-assistance program. I have never NOT held a part-time (or in a couple of instances full-time) job when I was in high school and college.
But perhaps I am a leech in the minds of some people such as Suzie.
For example, I attended public schools, which were underwritten by taxpayers. My parents were taxpayers, too, of course, and they never collected any of the forms of assistance listed above. But probably the cost of educating me, my brothers, and my sister exceeded the amount that my parents paid in real estate taxes. So I guess that makes me a leech in Suzie’s eyes. Because we Casey kids sucked from the taxpayers’ trough more education money than my parents contributed in taxes.
I attended a public university, at which the instate tuition was $400 per semester (that was the costliest semester). That was 150 hours at the minimum wage, which was manageable. My parents paid that tuition (until my last 2 semesters) but if they had not I could have paid it, along with room and board, most of which I did pay throughout college. My last semester I worked 3 days a week as a bike messenger and I earned $100 a day. Tuition cost 4 days of work but it was subsidized by taxpayers, so perhaps I was a leech them, too.
And since graduation I’ve been employed. The Roanoke Times is the 4th paper I’ve worked at, and I’ve worked here longer than anywhere else.
When Donna and I bought the house we live in, we benefited from a low-interest, low-down payment loan through a state program for first-time homebuyers. So perhaps that made us leeches. There was a taxpayer-funded benefit, after all — and at that point we had paid NO taxes to Virginia.
Our 4 children were educated at public schools, and three of them have been to public universities. Two are still in them. We earn too much (and owe too little) to qualify for ANY kind of aid, so we have saved, and lived somewhat less-than-luxuriously while our kids have been attending them. And they have been working, too. All the kids had part-time jobs in high school and college, none of them were given cars — when they wanted them they bought them with their own money. I helped them get decent deals.
My street gets paved every now and then and I don’t contribute directly to that. Ditto with when our water meter was bad and needed replacing, along with 6 squares of sidewalk on either side of that. The fire department has been to our house twice (in 18 years) for false alarms, and we didn’t pay directly for that, either. So I guess we are leeches in that way, too.
What I’ve gained with Obama’s win is a spell of surety. I’m sure now that, even if my taxes end up getting raised next year, it’s not going to be so that some rich guy can have his taxes cut. Besides that, I have a measure of surety that my taxes might not be raised, but that the rich guy has a higher chance of getting a tax increase than me. We’ll see.
I’m more sure than I would have been that the president isn’t surrounded by neocon nincompoops who will urge him to attack Iran, like John Bolton and other surely would have with Romney, had he been elected. That is a gain, both for me and everyone else in this country.
I gain some satisfaction from the knowledge that unions won’t be outlawed in an Obama administration. There was a fair chance of that, though probably less than 50-50, under Romney.
And I also gain some satisfaction from knowing that our country is not led by some a$$hat who teased gays at his private prep school, and got away with that, or loves firing people, as Romney has said he does, and demonstrated that in the business world.
It’s comforting to have someone in the White House who doesn’t look at everything like it’s the bottom line of a balance sheet of a company that you’re considering looting.
All of those things (and more) I and millions of others gained with an Obama win.
“As a result of the election last week our company’s owner called a meeting today with just us, management. We have been told to reduce each section by 25% of it’s current workforce because of the Obamacare law and taxes impact this January 1. I have to decide what workers to let go. I think I’ll take Neil Boortz’s advice and let go the ones who voted Obama.”
So Maloof, tell us how many people are there in the company? And, is the company subsidizing worker’s healthcare?
If not, the REST OF US WHO HAVE HEALTHCARE were subsidizing your cheap-ass company’s decision not to offer it. And if it already is subsidizing healthcare, or if you have fewer than 50 employees, you are full of malarkey.
#106 Suuuure, Maloof.
Maloof is in “management”?
Chuck, you are wrong to think that just because we do not know your name, we do not know you from your posts.
#106 Let’s assume for a minute that Maloof is telling the truth (a BIG assumption). Looking at where I work, among the folks who I’m pretty sure I can guess how they voted, the best and most productive are split — some Obama and some Romney. The biggest Romney supporter is definitely the first one I would let go if we had to do that. And not because this person voted Romney, which would have nothing at all to do with it.
Where my wife works, the ones who waste the most time talking politics, religion and general gossip, and the one who always stretches the work rules and often comes in late, are all without question Romney voters. The most productive and dependable people in this office of this private business voted Obama.
So would you, Maloof, consider purposely damaging this business by get rid of some of the best people because they voted Obama?
#109 OMG, dave, that’s absolute proof of Repub fraud right there!!
Maloof, you’re full of crap its coming out your ears.
Let’s all put our thinking caps on and contemplate the conditions under which a company might want to trim its overhead. How about…always, when possible? Nothing miraculously happened after Obama’s reelection that changed anything. Companies that could get rid of staff would have done so right along. They weren’t employing people out the goodness of their hearts. The meme is stupid and over.
Ahhhh yes, the revenge-layoff-business plan. Brilliant economics by the party that hates math…and how they love their meme of “job creators” while whining their candidate lost so now they’ll layoff the people who labored to make them rich…It’s the story of the snake swallowing itself…just stupid.
@Dan C. #115: Nicely done, Dan. Nicely done.
115
That’s a lot of wasted space there, Dan. I never called you a leech. As I said in my treatise, most of the leftwingers in here including you fall under the class of ‘enablers’.
What you got for your vote, though, is a guarantee of four more years of weak economic conditions, slimmer job prospects for your daughters, and staggering debt for all your kids, because you know damn well 0bama has no intention of controlling spending. If it’s worth it to you that the guy ahead of you gets screwed a little more than you do under this idiot’s regime, then have at it.
#102 Kristen, suzie has latched onto the nonexistent massive cheating thing as her latest troll line. We all know it isn’t true, which is why she figures she’ll get responses to it.
880 to 13, slick. If you think that’s real, I’ve got a Volt to sell you.
I love it. Whenever Democrats scream “We don’t cheat!”. All I have to say is 880 to 13, and they KNOW they’ve been busted to hell.
880 to 13. I’m going to make you clowns WEAR those numbers.
Photographic evidence of why Romney lost the election: http://imgur.com/r/funny/FAmgA
Stuff like that is why you lost, RWers. You can cry about cheating, dirty tactics and any other perceived slights/disadvantages with which you were labored, but this is the real reason why. Until you educate, purge or silence these parts of your demographic, you will never see high office again. There’s a reason why court jesters were not given positions as ambassadors; they’re amusing idiots, yes, but you don’t want them representing the face of your country.
The truth hurts. You don’t have long to get it straightened out or you can just keep circling the nation on the L-train. It’s your choice. Suck it up and deal.
Lynchburg
Third Ward
second precinct
Romney 3120
Obama 153
Romney 93+%
Impossible!
Does Liberal dave think 93% = 99%? Goodness, these leftwingers sure are mathtards.
America – 2. Citizens United – 0.
What you got for your vote, though, is a guarantee of four more years of weak economic conditions, slimmer job prospects for your daughters, and staggering debt for all your kids, because you know damn well 0bama has no intention of controlling spending. If it’s worth it to you that the guy ahead of you gets screwed a little more than you do under this idiot’s regime, then have at it.
Comment by Suzie — November 11, 2012 @ 9:45 pm
A former economic advisor to Sen. John McCain indicates that 12 million jobs are going to be created in the next 4 years no matter who is president. that suggests to me that job opportunities for Dan’s daughters and other sons & daughters are going to be reasonably good.
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/election-2012-economy-doesn-t-matter-wins-says-120238130.html
Re: Comment by Kristen — November 11, 2012 @ 10:07 pm
Yup. This round, in any case.
However, see #33 @ http://tinyurl.com/auvhcoh
Stuff like that is why you lost, RWers. You can cry about cheating, dirty tactics and any other perceived slights/disadvantages with which you were labored, but this is the real reason why. Until you educate, purge or silence these parts of your demographic, you will never see high office again. There’s a reason why court jesters were not given positions as ambassadors; they’re amusing idiots, yes, but you don’t want them representing the face of your country.
Wrong, JMWhite. It was about the free goodies. Jesus Christ Himself could have appeared in Times Square and proclaimed an end to the nation debt and unemployment, and the leeches would have still pulled the lever for 0bama. You don’t get it. Leeches DON’T CARE about the issues; it’s the goodies.
880 to 13.
# 106 Maloof,
That’s nonsense. If you fired 25% of your underlings it means you’d be back on the deep fryer.
Oh hell no, the pinata thinks being beaten with a stick means you are influential! You cannot make this stuff up.
#126 See what I said? Absolute BS troll material. Just another attempt to distract from how incredibly gullible she was parroting the wingnut line about Romney winning in a landslide. All we have to do is throw a few dozen of your own quotes back at you.
Dolt.
Yep these examples sure are crap and malarkey. As for the “cheap-ass company’s decision” comment. Mr. Casey wash out that filthy mouth with a bar of American family soap.
http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=AP&date=20121109&id=15779130
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rosecorona/2012/11/07/there-is-no-joy-in-mudville/
http://jobsearch.about.com/b/2012/11/11/companies-cutting-jobs-because-of-obamacare.htm
Some people really do live in an alternate universe. In that universe (can’t you just see the goatee on Suzie’s face), the current debt is the result of some massive spending increase by Obama. In this universe, of course, only about 15 percent of the increase in the debt over the last four years is attributable to Obama. The rest belongs to the impact of two recessions that happened under George W. Bush’s watch, his woefully underperforming tax cuts, his unpaid-for expansion of Medicare and his other big spending.
What we can look forward to in the next four years depends as much on Boehner as Obama (McConnell, as he’s about to realize, is pretty much inconsequential). If Boehner can get his caucus in line, we might reach a grand bargain that reins in entitlement, raises appropriate revenues and gets us quickly on track for a mammoth recovery.
But if Boehner listens to morons like Suzie and her Tea Party pals and insists on pushing for “tax reform” modeled after the “plan” pushed by the losing Republican candidate, then Obama and the Democrats will simply wait for the Bush tax cuts to fully expire, and propose a new set of cuts aimed, appropriately, only at the middle class. Then Boehner can explain why he and his out-of-touch caucus want to vote against such a tax cut, simply because it doesn’t also include a cut for Donald Trump. And he can explain why he thumbed his nose at a grand bargain that included tax increases that 70 percent of Americans think are a good idea, ushering in draconian cuts to both defense and popular social programs.
Then we’ll find out if even the redistricting of 2010 can save him in 2014.
But, in the meantime, I’m sure Suzie can explain why this is a horrible idea in that cold, bitter place she calls home.
“Yep these examples sure are crap and malarkey.”
Now we’re getting into the “look what you guys did” portion of the Republican apology tour. Only three more steps to go, wingnuts. Acceptance is your friend…
I love it. Whenever Democrats scream “We don’t cheat!”. All I have to say is 880 to 13, and they KNOW they’ve been busted to hell.
880 to 13. I’m going to make you clowns WEAR those numbers.
Comment by Suzie — November 11, 2012 @ 9:52 pm
So basically, you have zero evidence of cheating but for your own disbelief at the numbers? Given that your [imagined] track record of always being right has been utterly shattered in recent days, what makes you think we give two red flocks about how insane you wish to make yourself appear?
Here’s a good metaphor for how your logic seems to work:
Every time I see this guy sitting on the hood of his Maserati, he’s eating an apple. But today, he’s eating an orange. What’s going on?
Your “logical” answer would be that the guy is obviously a freeloading-left-wing-socialist nation-destroyer driving around in his freebie Obama-rati, those were Apples In Name Only (no real apples get eaten by Mas owners) and oranges are giraffes.
Hang those numbers all you want, Crazy Lady. Your flopping around and gasping like a fish in the Mojave for the last week has reduced your character into “God-is-a-sock” Guy territory – http://bit.ly/UxkHTA
So, can we expect a slow, agonizing spiral into vapid, babbling inanity here or will you go out in a huge fireball of rage-quit?
Wrong, JMWhite. It was about the free goodies. Jesus Christ Himself could have appeared in Times Square and proclaimed an end to the nation debt and unemployment, and the leeches would have still pulled the lever for 0bama. You don’t get it. Leeches DON’T CARE about the issues; it’s the goodies.
880 to 13.
Comment by Suzie — November 11, 2012 @ 10:15 pm
I disagree. It has nothing to do with leeches (though I’m sure that’s good ointment for the stings of your loss) and everything to do with the fact that Obama just flat-out offered a better meal. It’s the free market at work – citizens were free to choose which restaurant they wanted to patronize and Romney’s establishment was filled with bad food, really crappy service and classless troglodyte diners. They chose to eat at Obama’s instead, for a multitude of reasons. I know it’s just easier to demonize the whole lot and retreat to your Fortress of Certitude, but reality doesn’t care about your shallow, vacant dreamland and bigotry in any form is unbecoming of a lady.
If you don’t start building bridges instead of burning them, you’re doomed to the fate of the dinosaurs. Please evolve or return to the dust from whence you came.
Maloof,
Nice try, but:
1. Your first link is to coal mining owner Bob Murray, a man who should have been put out of business long ago. Nine people were killed when one of his mines in Utah collapsed, AND the company new the mine was unsafe, AND before it collapsed they didn’t report a partial collpase (as required by law), AND they were engaged in “retreat” mining, which they never should have done because of the earlier partial collapse. He forced his miners to attend a Romney rally (unpaid, on the their own time); he twisted employees arms to contribute to Romney. The man is a menace to American business; he’s the epitome of what’s wrong with business today.
2. Your second link is by a writer who left out all the facts. It’s just rehashed over RWer talking points.
3. Your third link actually UNDERCUTS your arguments. Did you even read the story? Here’s a a few passages from it:
“Forbes reported earlier this year that the nonpartisan Urban Institute studied what happened in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney, when health care reform was enacted. The study found no evidence that mandated healthcare coverage cost jobs. The Huffington Post reports: “A survey of small business owners in October found that few would take drastic steps in response to the health care law. . .
“It’s not all companies that are cutting jobs. In fact, the Deseret News reports that Utah’s Governor’s Office of Economic Development announced that hundreds of new jobs are coming to Utah. Also from Utah, KSL.com reports that, according to economists, the rumors of layoff are unfounded and companies that are laying off were already planning to do so.”
Now, answer the questions:
1. Does your company have more than 50 FT employees or not? If it does not, it is not subject to the ACA.
2. And, does it provide workers with subsidized health insurance or not? If it does (and, assuming it has 50+ workers) then it ALREADY is meeting the requirements of the law.
Let’s hear your answers. Or we’ll assume you’re simply blowing smoke.
Maloof is in “management”?
Comment by Sandi Saunders — November 11, 2012 @ 7:59 pm
Sandi
Somebody has to be in charge of making the biscuits in the morning and changing the grease in the deep fryer.
“On a personal note, you can suspect whatever you’d like about me. The simple fact is, you don’t know me. You think you do because you disagree with my politics but at the end of the day, you know very little about me. You constantly lump me in with others and you constantly question my integrity, but you do so with no basis in fact or history. You guys on the left are so intolerant of any political differences that you immediately paint anyone who disagrees with the broad brush of your stereotypical enemy. You guys love to talk about Republican obstructionism and hate, but the problems with our political system and the divide in our nation is not merely the fault of one party. Some of you need to take a good look in the mirror.”
Chuck, you said it so well. Sometimes, the only way to get along with the Left is to knowingly make statements that will cause a Leftist to blow their top. It can be fun to watch a Leftist sputter and rage.
Careful, Dan. Murray likes to sue people who point out his record. Just ask my buddy Ken Ward Jr. Of course, all Murray got out of his suit against Ken and the Gazette was an op-ed rebuttal that he could have gotten by simply submitting it.
A businessman spends thousands of dollars on lawyers to get something he could have gotten for free, then he blames OBAMA for layoffs?
Give me a break.
Dan’s highly scientific link (from happyplace.com of course) fails to show the discrepancy between how the more educated locales voted versus the less educated… take Roanoke City (obama) and Salem (Romney) for example.
If you break out the data by county and town/city, you would see that the area with better school systems voted Romney.
#127 Whjat REALLY hysterical is that suzie thinks that the fact a precinct went 98.6 percent for Obama instead of the 94 percent average for such precincts is some sort of evidence of fraud. Delusional.
“On a personal note, you can suspect whatever you’d like about me. The simple fact is, you don’t know me. You think you do because you disagree with my politics but at the end of the day, you know very little about me. You constantly lump me in with others and you constantly question my integrity, but you do so with no basis in fact or history. You guys on the left are so intolerant of any political differences that you immediately paint anyone who disagrees with the broad brush of your stereotypical enemy.”
–Comment by Chuck
Some other comments by Chuck:
“Thanks [Dan]. You just demonstrated the typical liberal elitism that turns people off. You just dismissed a large portion of the entire country as being irrelevant. You of oh-so-offended-by-the-47%-comment. While your busy advocating for the urban centers to rule over the rest of the hicks, ask yourself, is turning the country into one big inner city really a good thing?”
“Does your glib reply mean no you haven’t actually considered the logistics involved with legalisation?”
“To be the winning party, you guys still seem desperate to prove how dumb and uneducated anyone who disagrees with you is. You are really great ambassadors for tolerance and open minds. Dan (or Dans), spurious correlations are easy to come by and don’t prove anything. If you want to see a truly meaningful depiction of how geography and demographics played into the election, look at a color coded national map that is broken down by city and county. It is very telling about what happened.”
“Dan R., I am aware of the margin of victory. I am also aware that you haven’t lost your gift for purposely misleading the people on this blog.”
“You guys are really worried that Obama is going to lose aren’t you. Already trying to build up the excuse. The irony is that up until the last few days Dan has been a loud voice in denying the existence of voter fraud and election issues. Now it looks like his guy might lose the popular vote and all of the sudden voter suppression is rampant. Again with that external locus of control. If Obama loses it won’t be because he lost. It won’t be because more people voted for the other candidate. It will be a vast conspiracy to suppress liberal votes.”
“I know it seems strange to you Dan. It’s called reality and is clearly something you’re not familiar with.”
It seems Chuck can dish it out, but he can’t take it. When you drop a little lecture on Chuck about the reality of the red vs blue “election” map, and when you call him out after he attempts to grossly distort your position, he goes into full-fore defensive mode. You MEAN, INTOLERANT LIBERAL. YOU DON’T KNOW ME! Strange. . . .
I believe Murray should be put out of business, and that ALL of his miners will safer if he is.
Wow Dan… so not only is Troll-iz still here… we got some copies of it to boot. oh well. How much ARE they getting paid to show up??
@Comment by Suzie — November 11, 2012 @ 10:15 pm
“Wrong, JMWhite. It was about the free goodies. Jesus Christ Himself could have appeared in Times Square and proclaimed an end to the nation debt and unemployment, and the leeches would have still pulled the lever for 0bama. You don’t get it. Leeches DON’T CARE about the issues; it’s the goodies.”
Rest assured if Jesus Christ had appeared, Romney would have been there the next day claiming to be GOD! Slugs DON’T CARE about the issues; it’s the party.
No Chuck did not say it well, he proved to be a hypocrite once more though.
I will let you in on a little secret, the only way to get along with the anyone, Left, Right, Moderate or Independent is to be honest and not sling insults. Virtually no right winger is capable and we are certainly under no obligation to respect being disrespected. You do not “knowingly make statements that will cause a Leftist to blow their top”, you cannot help but do so. We “sputter and rage” against ignorance, prejudice, insults and memes all day long. Bring it on.
JM White, extremely well said. I loved the “meals” analogy, especially your use of troglodyte! (reminds me of the old song, “In The Year 2525″). Could it be that the results of this election boiled down to simple capitalism – Dems offered a better product than Repubs. Now that is great irony!
Statistics prove the economy does well under Dems. The TP/R’s erred (among other things) in blaming Obama for the slow recovery and lack of jobs after the crash. America knows the pot we are stewing in but we also knew Romney offered only to make it worse for the average American. His agenda proved to be his undoing. Getting stuff free is just plain damned stupid because 60+ million people don’t.
I agree Nosaj. JM White is a really good writer, and I do not say that lightly as I take the written word to be a serious undertaking.
Maloof, did you read this link? If you didn’t, you should. http://jobsearch.about.com/b/2012/11/11/companies-cutting-jobs-because-of-obamacare.htm
I read yesterday about the CEO of Papa John’s saying that he’s cutting employees back to 30 hours so he doesn’t have to pay for their healthcare. The man is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, but he’s too cheap to take care of his employees. It’s called greed and it’s an ugly thing.
There is a reason why the Bible says, The love of money is the root of all evil.
Maloof has been strangely silent. He won’t answer some simple questions about all those layoffs his boss is forcing him to make.
As for PJ’s pizza: The CEO estimated it would ad 11 to 14 cents to the price of a pizza — if he chose instead NOT to lay people off.
Cry me a river
Papa John’s may just be making a statement, but followed to its logical end, if the employer pays enough “taxes” to cover the government’s benefits for everyone, there comes a point when a pay check isn’t even necessary because the employer is paying all of the employees’ bills.
Dan:
“As for PJ’s pizza: The CEO estimated it would ad 11 to 14 cents to the price of a pizza — if he chose instead NOT to lay people off.”
But where does it end? Once Papa John’s is paying taxes that cover their employees health care, cell phones, cars, housing, and everything else, Papa John’s will be taxe out of business. Perhaps then Papa John himself can qualify for all the free stuff without all of the hard work or risk.
#157 Why, Dan, it’s clear that Maloof’s a bust little beaver firing Obama voters.
I’d boycott PJs pizza, but it’s so cruddy that I’m already doing it.
#159 Jees. bust=busy
I live in West Virginia where people are still unusually friendly, caring and nice. My state voted for Romney because I believe that education counts, but must be combined with common sense and education does not automatically combine common sense with it!!!!Our state is also financially solvent and many of your so called educated states are not. I think it is time to come together and work for the entire country’s good and forge ahead in a positive way instead of continuing with all of this. The election is over, lets get on to the business of saving our country and making it a great and free country to live in once again!One more thing, we in West Virginia know that cow manure is a very good fertilizer and helps provide much of our food, both for Republicans and Democrats!
Patricia Clay:
“My state voted for Romney because I believe that education counts, but must be combined with common sense and education does not automatically combine common sense with it!!!!”
Sadly, there’s nothing to add to this.
“Our state is also financially solvent and many of your so called educated states are not.”
COAL is the only reason that welfare has not bankrupted West Virginia.
Patricia Clay, I agree that we need to get on with the “business of saving our country, I was born in West Virginia, grew up in Bluefield, and voted for Romney, but think the real reason that WV went red was that they were not going to vote for a black “Muslim”.
In most employer sponsored health plans, the employer pays part of the premiums and the employee pays the rest. The insurance company and the policy holder pay the medical bills, not the employer. I pay part of my insurance premiums, and I pay taxes. My employer does not pay my cell phone bills, my housing bills or any other bill. Damn, I must be working for the wrong employer.
If a person can’t afford to pay 15 cents more for a pizza, then they can’t afford the pizza in the first place. I have no sympathy for megamillionaires who don’t care about their employees.
Patricia Clay, certainly no one here is going to argue with you that “education does not automatically combine common sense with it“. We totally agree.
What was it about Romney that made you think he believed “that education counts” moreso than Obama?
I am with you Debbie. They are all to happy to count their money and let us pick up the tab for their needed but underpaid employees health care, food and housing. Cell phone users pay for their cell phones. As Chris Rock says, when an employer pays you minimum wage, what he is really saying is that he would pay you less if the law allowed him to. He says it much funnier than I can obviously.
Sandi, I sincerely ask: What is it about socialism that you object to, if anything?
Employers are transparently using ACA to do all sorts of stuff they want to do anyway but want to offload the responsiblity and perception of being cheap uncaring profit-hogs.
And no, education and common sense don’t necessarily go hand in hand, but the GOP doesn’t have a lock on either.
Not silent just working. Your puny blog… Longer list of layoffs and closings. Is the the hope and change you you were hoping for?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/how-many-businesses-have-announced-closings-or-lay-offs-since-obama-won-a-second-term/
#169 Why doesn’t the Blaze also list businesses that have announced openings or hirings since the election?
Oh, right, there’s that agenda thing. Same with you, Maloof.
I’m still waiting for Maloof to tell us:
1) How many employees there are at the company he works for;
2) Whether or not that company offers its employees health insurance.
If the number of workers is under 50, the ACA requirements don’t apply to his company. And if the company already offers healthcare, then there will be no great expense it will incur because of ACA, such as would merit a 25-percent workforce reduction.
And, if the company has more that 50 employees and it does not offer them healthcare, then that means its profits have been indirectly subsidized by all the companies out there that DO offer their employees healthcare. If that is the case then it’s time for the rest of us to stop subsidizing Maloof’s company.
Maloof could answer these questions without disclosing the name of his company, of course. So that would not “expose” jack.
The fact that he’s chosen NOT to answer them leaves me wondering if he’s blowing smoke about that workforce reduction necessitated by ACA.
“Suzie says:
880 to 13. I’m going to make you clowns WEAR those numbers.
Posted on November 11th, 2012″
I’ll proudly wear those numbers. Where would you like to meet so you can pin them on me?
@170 Gdud why don’t you find a list of companies and businesses that are hiring and post it? From a news source not your imagination.
@171. Mr.casey repeating yourself is a sign of Alzheimer’s disease and Dementia.
This is silly. Please take an elementary course on statistics and understand how people can use ecological correlations to overstate correlation strengths.
I hate to say it but this is the same kind of stereotyping Romney promotes making you no better than he is. This chart of yours doesn’t prove anything and it certainly doesn’t mean its true given what the information Super Highway has been turned into. I might not like Romney but I wouldn’t say the states who voted for him are uneducated and don’t have a college Degree. Further you don’t need a college Degree to be educated. Lincoln educated himself. So please before you say things like that at least make a grown up arguement with real proof and not statistics or fake statistics whichever or stereotyping people. I’ve seen brilliant people come out of most of those states and they went to college in New York with me so that doesn’t say much. People will buy into things with Romney whether they are educated or not. It all depends on our own belief system. NOT what some screen capture from the internet says. Love the candidates or not that’s pure logic.