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Thursday, June 20, 2013
THE ROANOKE TIMES
So Roanoke County wants to mimic Roanoke City’s success with the meals tax for education. Interesting.
#1 Pretty soon the folks who object to meals taxes for education won’t have anywhere to eat out.
Roanoke City restaurants survived just fine w/out those folks, Gdad. I’m sure Roanoke County and Salem will too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/abigael-evans-video-npr-apologizes-bronco-bamma-mitt-romney_n_2051097.html?utm_hp_ref=media
I gett this girl. I haven’t had NPR on in my car for 2 weeks.
“Honesty is the first chapter of the book of wisdom.”
Thomas Jefferson
Mitt Romney & Paul Ryan didn’t read that chapter.
“Honesty is the first chapter of the book of wisdom.”
Thomas Jefferson
Mitt Romney & Paul Ryan didn’t read that chapter.
Nope. They didn’t have to read it; they WROTE it.
Speaking of “honesty”…More of Romney’s shady and predatory business deals will be coming to light today:
Toledo, Ohio – Wednesday Evening October 31, 2012
[Romney]”… just learned that tomorrow [November 01, 2012] afternoon (November 1) he will be charged by the United Automobile Workers (UAW) and other public interest groups”… including CREW [Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington] “…with violating the federal ethics in government law by improperly concealing his multi-million dollar windfall from the auto industry bailout.”
The UAW and CREW “have filed a formal complaint with the US Office of Government Ethics in Washington stating that Gov. Romney improperly hid a profit of $15.3 million to $115.0 million in Ann Romney’s so-called ‘blind’ trust.”
The Romneys’ gigantic windfall was hidden inside an offshore corporation inside a limited partnership inside a trust which both concealed the gain and reduces taxes on it. [This] windfall was originally exposed in Nation Magazine …after a worldwide investigation by [UAW, CREW], The Guardian, the Nation Institute and the Palast Investigative Fund.”
http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17613-uaw-charges-romney-with-profiteering-from-auto-bailout
These guys need to lighten up…….It’s understandable their pride has been hurt, and its surprising they haven’t accepted the fact their playhouse for their Art Work has been and will always be the brunt of jokes, sarcasm and parody for the rest of their lives and then some. I don’t believe Dan had serious attempt to defame these fine gentleman, the Tauman is what it is. We see worse written about great people and leaders everyday in this paper, including the President. This is why we are Americans and have free speech…..Their mistake was to have responded to Dan’s article as if they were children, running to mommy complaining…..
This being said, myself as well as most all Roanoker’s are indebted and most appreciative to all the fine gentlemen mentioned in the article. They have, indeed, been great contributors to the people and City of Roanoke in enriching us in so many ways….I think Dan’s article was quite amusing to say the least, and it did not make me think any less of the Taubman’s and Fralins. When you are public figures, no matter who you are or your status in life, you are subject to being the brunt of jokes from writers, be they journalist or comedians.
http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/316112
Well, thank you Obama and the EPA for helping making our Electric bill go up!
#4 I’ve been listening to 101.5 when in the past I would have been listening to the news.
Yea! No more Suzie at Roanoke County restaurants!
Speaking of Romney, he keeps pointing out how he worked with a state legislature that was 87% Democrat and how he got things done. Isn’t it really the 87% Democrats that got thing done? He really didn’t have much of a choice really. So how will he work with a majority of Republicans? I’m guessing we’ll see what he really thinks of the middle class if he wins.
I think the 2% increase in meals tax as long as it goes straight to fund education is fine. It seemed to work well in Roanoke City and I was surprised when it was allowed to expire.
@JackJM: “Nope. They didn’t have to read it; they WROTE it.”
That’s funny. Romney and Ryan have run the most pathologically dishonest campaign in modern American history. Their tax plan doesn’t add up. They’re lying about Jeep and GM and welfare and just about everything else.
Romney and Ryan may have claimed to have written the chapter on honesty. I wouldn’t put it past them to lie about that, too.
158K jobs added last month. How many consecutive months of job growth has there been since 2009? We are getting there.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203707604578092480092752280.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection
Ron, how about these doozies by Barry O. I will cut the deficit in half during my first term? The terrorist attacks in Libya were due to a DVD? Obamacare will only increase the deficit by $900 billion? I will have comprehensive immigration reform in 1st term? I can do this all day long! Obama has failed in every measurable way possible, yet the likes of you keep worshipping him. I want to call you stupid, but I will assume you are merely uninformed.
Big Dan R into the fray. At one point you were supposed to be an an impartial journalist…. True colors shining, baby! Read my earlier post about Barry’s lies. Still hugging tree bark in WVA?
@15 Comment by Another Chuck — November 1, 2012 @ 2:38 pm
I have two words for you:
Obstruction and filibuster.
Ever heard of them?
For the record I hope Gov. McDonnell gets back the TVs that were stolen from his 2 beach homes.
Given the “doozies” by Willard R, I would not be so quick to cast aspersions Another Chuck. His “Day 1″ is going to rival God. We all know how this will turn out.
“Big Dan R into the fray. At one point you were supposed to be an an impartial journalist…. True colors shining, baby!”
Halloween is over but it’s still straw man time, I see.
Another Chuck, can you tell us when Dan Radmacher was “supposed to be an impartial journalist?” The guy was hired here as an editorial writer, and later became the editorial page editor. Editorial writers and editorial page editors are not “impartial” journalists. They are hired to write with a point of view.
The same goes for columnists, btw.
Shillary, first 2 years Obama had a democratic house and senate. Weak excuse on the obstructionist theory, but Obama is very polarizing. No US budget in 4 years and everyone of the democratic senators voted against his last proposed budget.
Dan, point taken on Mr. Radmacher. Do you find anything inaccurate in my posts other than that?
Dan, people like Chuck and Suzie (or as like to call them, Chuzie)only like to hear point of view when it’s coming from FOX news and being put out as fact.
I thought this was an interesting article.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/01/news/economy/wages-jobs/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
I will use a line from Mr. Romney to Mr. Obama: “Critisizing me is not an agenda for the next 4 years.”. And an Obama quote from 2008 (paraphrased). Mr. McCain, when you have no agenda or plan, all you have left is demonizing me, and that is wrong.
Now that Obama has a record, shoe transfers to other foot.
OBAMA’s EPA!!!!!!
By Laurence Hammack -ROA TIMES
981-3239
Appalachian Power Co. is entitled to recover $6 million through rate increases to cover the cost of environmental compliance requirements, the Virginia Supreme Court ruled today.
Appalachian had sought far more — $33.3 million — in an appeal of a State Corporation Commission decision that excluded the costs from the utility’s base rate increase for 2009 and 2010.
In a unanimous decision, the Supreme Court ruled that the SCC used flawed methodology in denying recovery of $6 million of the costs.
But the court affirmed the commission’s denial of $27.3 million in environmental costs embedded in capacity equalization charges Appalachian Power paid to its affiliates. The commission had ruled that evidence of those costs was insufficient.
Because the case was sent back to the SCC for additional proceedings, the impact on customers’ bills is unclear.
Todd Burns, a spokesman for Appalachian, said that the $6 million figure is relatively small, and that whatever rate increase it might require could be offset by other factors yet to be determined.
Appalachian serves about 500,000 customers in Virginia.
“Shillary, first 2 years Obama had a democratic house and senate. Weak excuse on the obstructionist theory, but Obama is very polarizing. No US budget in 4 years and everyone of the democratic senators voted against his last proposed budget.”
Comment by Another Chuck — November 1, 2012 @ 2:57 pm
I am just wondering if you are of the belief, if you tell a lie often enough it will eventually become truth? The lie of the 2 year Democratic control of the house has been debunked at least a hundred times on Dan’s blog…but for the slow learners, one more time:
“…the first requirement to have “complete, unadulterated control” of Congress is to command a filibuster-proof 60-vote majority in the Senate, and the Democrats didn’t have that when Obama became president.”
“Minnesota Democrat Al Franken, the prospective 60th vote, was locked in a bitter recount battle. By the time Franken was sworn in — July 7, 2009 — Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy was too ill to participate in the legislative process. Project Vote Smart records reflect that Kennedy stopped voting on major bills in late March.”
“Congressional records reflect that the Senate was in session for 72 days during the four months and one week …The claim that Obama ruled like a monarch over Congress for two years — endlessly intoned as a talking point by Republicans — is more than just a misremembering of recent history or excited overstatement. It’s a lie.”
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-06-16/news/ct-oped-0617-zorn-md-20120616_1_minnesota-democrat-al-franken-filibuster-proof-majority-barack-obama
Consider yourself informed. You’re welcome.
Greg, I imagine I am as well read from multiple sources as anyone on here. Kindly point out to me any inaccuracies I have stated other than call Radmacher a journalist. We will begin with these 2…did Obama say he was going to cut the deficite in half by the end of his first term? Did Obama stand before the UN over a week after the Libya attacks and proclaim that the attacks were due to an anti-Mohammed movie?
“Dan, point taken on Mr. Radmacher. Do you find anything inaccurate in my posts other than that?”
Another Chuck, please forgive me, but I don’t have the time to truth-squad and/or debate all of the stuff that appears in comments on this blog. We have been getting 400 comments a day recently and that would be simply impossible. But since you issued the invitation, I will spend a little time on part of another comment you posted:
Ron, how about these doozies by Barry O. I will cut the deficit in half during my first term? The terrorist attacks in Libya were due to a DVD? Obamacare will only increase the deficit by $900 billion? I will have comprehensive immigration reform in 1st term? I can do this all day long! Obama has failed in every measurable way possible, yet the likes of you keep worshipping him. I want to call you stupid, but I will assume you are merely uninformed.
1. Let’s begin with the end, your unkind statement addressed at Ron May that “I want to call you stupid, but I will assume you are merely uninformed.” It has a nice ring, poetically, but: Are you aware the Ron May is the president of a college? I would put 100-1 on any wager that he is more educated than you, and informed than you, simply because of that. Ron is a long-time Republican who feels the party that he grew up (mostly) voting for has moved way, way, to the right and left him behind.
BTW, it’s not only the GOP that’s moved to the right; the Democrats have, too. The election of Bill Clinton and (gasp!, yes) Barack Obama are evidence of that. Both those Democratic president are far to the right of some leading Democrats of years past. Your inability to recognize this exposes the philosophical/partisan blinders you’re wearing.
Now, with regard to some other statements you made about Obama:
2. I will cut the deficit in half during my first term? President Obama did not cut the deficit in half during his first term. But what you’re ignoring is that (like Bill Clinton before him, and unlike EVERY GOP president in my lifetime) he has drastically cut the growth in spending. The growth in spending under Obama is the slowest since Dwight D. Eisenhower, and the annualized growth is less than it was under Herbert Hoover. When Clinton did it the economy was in far better shape and it actually eliminated the deficit. If the economic recovery had been more robust, Obama’s promise would have been fulfilled.
3. Obamacare will only increase the deficit by $900 billion? There are a lot of ways to measure — and mismeasure — the effects of the Affordable Care Act on the deficit. Most of the careful bean-counters out there agree that the deficit would have increased MORE without Obamacare than it will with it, assuming it survives. But let’s look at what “Obamacare” is for a minute. It is a 1992 plan that was born in the conservative Heritage Foundation, and endorsed as a national health care model back then, by Newt Gingrich of all people. It was trotted out as an alternative to so-called “Hillarycare” that the GOP offered when Bill Clinton unsuccessful tackled health care. The Heritage Foundation didn’t give up on it, though. It persuaded Romney to enact it on a state level, and he was able to manage that in Massachusetts. The only reason the Republicans are opposing it now is a) it is one of Obama’s biggest accomplishments; b) he got it passed despite their 100-percent partisan based opposition; and c) the GOP has taken a blood oath to deny Obama a second term. Obamacare is far from perfect, but it is better than nothing, but the right-wing CAN’T admit that because they want to defeat the president.
Another Chuck, if you do a little research on the points above, you’ll find out I am correct about all the above. The question is, will you? Or, will those partisan blinders get in the way?
@27 “…Kindly point out to me any inaccuracies I have stated”
Comment by Another Chuck — November 1, 2012 @ 3:16 pm
Firstly, please refer to post #26 to observe your [ahem] “inaccuracies” then, refer to your own comment, ” I want to call you stupid, but I will assume you are merely uninformed.”
Comment by Another Chuck
For my part, I don’t assume you are uninformed…
Dan, thanks for the lengthy reply. Your writings are ambiguously based in fact. For instance, $450 billion of TARP went to Bush’s deficit and when it started getting paid back, it effectively reduced obamas spending: http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/caps.asp. People from both sides of the political spectrum can write very effectively to support almost any point of view…especially when it comes to budgetary numbers. Your response was to say Obama is spending less so the problem must be revenue. The president is responsible for that too! I suggest that if Obama would have set more of a tone and playing field for business to succeed, revenues would be higher. And of course, the cloud of obamacare is a new cost to business or individuals. I will conclude by saying the deficit was $11 trillion when Obama took office and it is 16.2 trillion now. That is the hard truth… without excuses, innuendo or ambiguity.
Lets talk about another scandal on the Democratic Plantation…like they can afford another…sitting U.S. Senator Menendez(D) has been caught warming up a whore in South America…you won`t hear about it in the RT or any other liberal trash rag, but you can bet its a fact…something they so redily run from….the good Senators office gave out a `no comment` when asked about the scandal….the Senator has gone into hiding, no doubt ! Democrats deal with another bout of dishonesty, there #5…I feel sorry for you idiots when your bubble bursts and you have to face reality….its curtains for ya !
Another perspective on whether the country is moving left or right. This is JFK in 1962: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdXrfIMdiU
I’m not sure there would be room form him in the modern day Democratic Party.
My info was wrong about Obama coming on Sunday.
Roanoke will get the KING of LIARS on Saturday…instead of his jester.
“Roanoke will get the KING of LIARS on Saturday…instead of his jester.”
LC, you should go, and take your kids. It will be a good show.
hey you libs,
As a start to this post, I’ll use a quote from the inimitable vpjoe…, “today, I’m gonna give you the FULL Load”!
Now, for the rest of the story! What did all you libs think about the first thing obuma offered to the folks in New Jersey yesterday?
Obuma offered those folks….”relief from the…normal… government bureaucracy”…in order to expedite delivery of much needed goods and services. He promised to “cut through the …usual… government red tape” …which means he fully understand Mitt Romney’s position on government. Once the storm recovery gets underway, obuma will reverse his stance and return to those folks to the normal “stifling” effect of governmental bureaucracy…
..now, unless I’m mistaken, that’s exactly what Romney wants to do ALL of the time!
And, did you all hear what product is most needed in Jersey? That horrible… gasoline.
“And of course, the cloud of obamacare is a new cost to business or individuals.”
Another Chuck, allow me to repeat something I posted as an addenda to a reply to Dave Hicks recently, which serves to demonstrate the level of misinformation that’s out there regarding ACA, and its effect on businesses.
I had a conversation last week with an employee of a local business that has fewer than 10 employees. The very religious owner told the employee that’s it’s vital for Romney to win because if he doesn’t, “Obamacare” is going to decimate this person’s business, because of the penalties businesses will HAVE to pay for not providing health insurance to workers. Employee hours will have to be cut, if the business is able to remain open, etc. The employer was very serious about all this; claimed the business’s accountant had been very clear.
This (and some other things) were clearly said with the intent to influence the employee’s vote. How can I tell?
Because then the employer ASKED WHO THE EMPLOYEE WOULD VOTE FOR. The employee’s semi-cryptic reply (“the candidate who’s most Christ-like, of course”) seemed to mollify the boss.
I’m not making this up.
Now, either the accountant lied to the business owner, or the business owner is confused about the law, or the business owner is lying. It has to be one of those three.
Because under ACA, there are no penalties for not providing insurance for businesses with fewer than 50 employees.
And you know that’s a fact, too!
Jeff Doto: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/oct/28/2nd-desjarlais-girlfriend-talks-tennessee/
In this case, it’s a married state rep and doctor from Tennessee who was caught on tape pressuring a patient with whom he had sex to have an abortion. This article tells of another patient who admits he had an affair with her, smoked marijuana with her, and prescribed medication for her that she didn’t need for even better high.
But it’s a Republican, so who cares, right?
Be Careful Frank, lest MRS. Saunders comes in and starts calling you a liar for getting one word wrong in your “quote”, …I believe that Biden said the “Whole Load”….he must have Obama’s “Bull****ter comment on his mind and wanted to remind everyone about that wonderful example of Presidential decorum.
Frank,
Just as an add on to your comment. In the blogs that I have read the comments on…..folks are paying MORE attention to Obama saying something along the lines of ” we will leave no Americans behind”…..on the heels of the Bengazi fiasco…..they are outraged!! Rightly so!!
Poor “Bronco Bamma” no matter how hard he tries to make himself look good to the American people, he just can’t HELP but look like crap.
“Bronco Bamma?”
Shades of pammala, who seems to have slinked away in shame.
The article below is something the Republicans don’t want you to know. Here’s a brief quote from the report. It’s obvious that Republicans didn’t want you to know, in case you didn’t already, that low tax rates on the wealthy didn’t produce economic growth. Surprise! Surprise!
“The Congressional Research Service has withdrawn an economic report that found no correlation between top tax rates and economic growth, a central tenet of conservative economy theory, after Senate Republicans raised concerns about the paper’s findings and wording.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/business/questions-raised-on-withdrawal-of-congressional-research-services-report-on-tax-rates.html?ref=business&_r=1&
No Dan,
I was just having a little fun with that video of the little girl who is crying because she said she was tired of “Bronco Bamma” and Mitt Romney..Since someone mentioned it on one of today’s posts..I assumed it had gone viral.
Well! Well! Well! This is interesting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/nyregion/bloomberg-endorses-obama-saying-hurricane-sandy-affected-decision.html
What do you think fellow bloggers? Could Virgil cost Mitt Virginia???
http://www.nationalmemo.com/could-this-man-cost-mitt-romney-virginia/
Where in the world is George W. Bush??? He’s going to check on Mitt’s IRA.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/a-tale-of-two-presidents-clinton-stumps-for-obama-while-bush-heads-to-cayman-islands/
@AC: “Ron, how about these doozies by Barry O. I will cut the deficit in half during my first term? The terrorist attacks in Libya were due to a DVD? Obamacare will only increase the deficit by $900 billion? I will have comprehensive immigration reform in 1st term? I can do this all day long! Obama has failed in every measurable way possible, yet the likes of you keep worshipping him. I want to call you stupid, but I will assume you are merely uninformed.”
Well, since you asked:
Obama said he’d cut the deficit in half before the financial collapse and the bottom dropped out of the economy. However, he has cut the deficit by $300 billion from what Bush left him. Pre-recession, the deficit was running about $500 billion a year, so … promise kept.
The most recent reporting I’ve read continues to confirm that it was the YouTube video (not DVD) that stirred up the terrorist group that attacked the Benghazi consulate. So … truth told.
The latest CBO report on Obamacare confirms it will CUT the deficit, not add to it. So, again … truth told.
The promise on a comprehensive immigration plan was also made, I believe, before the economic crisis fully hit – and before the Republican Party went insane and decided that no immigration reform could happen until a 1,000-foot tall fence was built all the way across the border (ok, I’m making that up; but I expect that to be an eventual demand if the GOP continues on its current trajectory). In any case, why introduce reform that has no chance of getting through Republican obstructionism. He did do the DREAM executive order, though, which is a good start.
By the way, AC, if you look at the economic situation now compared to the economic situation when Obama took office, the only factual, objective conclusion that can be drawn is that we are in far better shape now than we were then. Anyone who claims differently has an agenda or a very short memory.
“she was tired of “Bronco Bamma” and Mitt Romney.”
Aren’t we all? Get this damn thing over with.
Ok Dan….yes small businesses with under 50 employees are exempt, and so are some of the larger unions and various other winners and losers that the Obama administration loves to pick. They picked some really awesome “winners” in the green energy areana to the tune of $98 billion in total tax payer loss that will never be paid back.
The SBA’s definition of small business allows up to 500 employees…and, I’m sure you are aware of that fact. So, Obamacare is a huge factor for the larger small businesses and will result in job losses if it is fully implemented due to the large “tax” increase…just ask the Supreme Court and they will be happy to give you the reason why it is a TAX.
The implication that Mr. Ron May (Ancilla College?) was “stupid” or “uninformed” was on the tactless side. However, if one singles out Mitt Romney as a liar, I will at least point out Obama’s major short comings in truth telling.
Dan, the first statement I made that Obama said the deficit would be reduced by half in his first term, was a lie. And despite your so called “intellectual” response about how I was incorrect in that statement, neither you nor anyone in the world can explain away the FACT that the deficit was $11 trillion in 1/2009 and the deficit is $16.2 trillion today. AND WE HAVE NOT HAD A BUDGET IN 3.5 YEARS to address this crippling issue. But, we do have another huge entitlement program, high-unemployment and average household income is going down for those that are employed. Obama should be fired, and no intellectual posturing will change that.
“Bronco Bama” is far more witty than Pammallala’s and Frank’s “obummer” “obumble” “bammy” or anything else they’ve produced.
“In a Romney administration, instead of depending on big government, you’d be rescued by private sector volunteers, like Paul Ryan, who will personally come to your devastated town and wash your already clean pots. “ – Stephen Colbert http://on.cc.com/RvxmQx
I’m looking forward to seeing Clinton on Saturday. My friend wanted to carry a sign that says “You can stain my dress any time.” We agreed it was a good one, albeit inappropriate.
Love these wannabes who blather the Fox talking points and demand that you waste time rebutting them. To paraphrase Dan Quayle, “What a terrible thing it is to waste one’s mind.”
Well, yeah. A 4-year-old came up with it. Of course it’s better.
Sales and viewings of “2016″ are out the roof…right before the election.
Not good for Obama.
AC: The “tax” from Obamacare is for individuals who opt not to get insurance, not for employers who don’t provide it. Even so, Obama has cut far more taxes for small business than Obamacare would raise.
You are incorrect about the deficit. You are referring to the debt. An educated person should know the difference.
The deficit when Obama took office was projected to be $1.4 trillion. This year’s will be $1.1 trillion, a decrease of $300 billion. And of course we’ve had a budget. Stop falling for stupid right-wing talking points.
Considering the obstacles before him, Obama has done a tremendous job and clearly deserves a second term. No amount of uninformed ranting will change that.
http://tinyurl.com/atqjf37
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Ex-Penn State officials accused of ‘conspiracy of silence’
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 6:01 PM EDT, Thu November 1, 2012
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
√ Ex-Penn State president, two others face charges related to Jerry Sandusky scandal
√ Attorney general accuses three of turning “a blind eye to serial predatory acts”
√ Spanier’s attorney: There’s “no factual basis” to charges, says politics is at play
√ Charges come on same day Sandusky is moved to prison where he’ll serve sentence
SNIP
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you’re right, Sharon N.
libs can’t think for themselves, so they find and follow shining examples of failure while wearing their “i hate me” tee shirts.
they are simply not happy unless they are trashing happy people. period.
Any way you parse it Another Chuck, we are being asked to decide which liar we like or trust more. Romney is the biggest flip-flopper this nation has ever seen in a candidate (remember when that mattered?). To claim that Obama has “lied” too is not even close. Not being able to completely keep a campaign promise is not flip-flopping (on ___________fill in the blank, the list is long) from Romney.
The CIA said the video was the catalyst for the Benghazi attack as it was for the many other protests at that same time. Obama nor anyone else just made it up. When he went to the UN, many of the nations there HAD experienced the protests over the video, again, perfectly understandable comments if you are not a rabid right winger full of hate. The mistakes of Benghazi were not in the rhetoric or comments.
As for the cost of “Obamacare” that is still being figured and Obama is not prescient. That is still not the same as saying I have a plan just trust me, as Romney has.
Finally, the “comprehensive” immigration reform requires a working Congress. Ours has been dysfunctional for years and chose treason when Obama was elected. WE elect the President, they are supposed to work together. They do not have the privilege of denying the President their governance in a snit.
You like your liar, we get it. We like ours too. As JM White said, any head to head list that is honest makes Romney the lesser man at every level. Including the ones he claims the high ground on.
This nation is NOT going to elect a Wall Street fat cat to the White House.
“. Anyone who claims differently has an agenda or a very short memory.
Comment by Dan Radmacher — November 1, 2012 @ 6:39 pm’
yeah sure dannyboy, keep drinking that koolaid
Lynda K, that sign would be hilarious!
Dan Radmacher, I did indeed use the term deficit when I should have said debt. And that is the exact type of technicallity that proves why Obama should be re-elected, right? We can all throw out these amazing “facts” that support out positions. I can present a very credible argument that actual unemployment is closer to 10% based upon the reduction in the workforce pool. And you will have many ways to argue against this assumptive position. With all of the posturing, going off topic and correcting my cognitive ability to distigush the difference between deficit and debt, the only FACT that has be presented was mine…the DEBT under Obama’s watch has gone from $11 trillion to $16.2 trillion.
It’s gotta be better, and damage fewer brain cells, than whatever you’re drinking, pammala.
But, if you want to point to a single economic indicator that proves my statement false, feel free to give it a shot.
I’m looking forward to seeing Clinton on Saturday. My friend wanted to carry a sign that says “You can stain my dress any time.” We agreed it was a good one, albeit inappropriate.
Comment by Lynda K — November 1, 2012 @ 7:41 pm
First the first time in my life, I am furiously searching for a “like” button right now.
Yes Frank, you, pammala, Suzie, Leon, Lake Claytor, lower case matt, et al, sure seem to be some happy people. Oh and independent thinkers too.
Good one.
Another Chuck,
I avoid claiming that I am more well read or smarter than another person, let alone another blogger. My point in applying the Jefferson quote to Mr. Romney especially was that Mr. Romney has chosen to say whatever he believed he needed to say in order to get the Republican nomination.
I think earlier I related the story of a youthful indiscretion my brother & I engaged in as children. Subsequent to that my grandfather was quizing me on my part in the event. It was clear to him that I was stretching the truth and trying to remember what I had said earlier. He stopped me and advised me that I didn’t have to remember what I had said earlier if I simply told the truth the first time.
Mr. Romney, over the course of the six years he’s been running for the nomination, has expressed positions on countless issues that are markedly different than those expressed when he served as governor and while he was running for governor & the U.S. Senate. Since he was nominated he has suddenly pivoted and expressed positions on a whole host of issues that again are different than those expressed while he trying to get the nomination. In addition, he and members of his campaign have made statements and run advertisements that simply are not true.
I don’t know about you, but a critical element of earning my vote is whether I trust the candidate asking for my vote. I’d like to believe that Mitt Romney is the moderate he “sort of” claims to be now. However, I find it difficult to trust the positions he seems to be taking now that he is the nominee. Add to that blatant untruths being told by Mr. Romney and his minions and you have a clear explanation as to why I made the statement about Mr. Romney and his disconnect from honesty.
I’m not overly crazy about Pres. Obama. Nonetheless, I can separate what he believed, perhaps naively, that he could accomplish during his first term and the blatant lies being told by the Romney campaign and those supporting his candidacy.
I’m 7 years into my second college presidency. I am well aware of the institutional vision and goals the board of trustees, myself and college staff laid out for my current institution in 2007. In some areas of that plan we’ve exceeded the original goals set. In other areas we’ve fallen short. Some of our failures were due to external factors we didn’t anticipate and, in reality, beyond our control. Some were due to internal shortcomings. We’ve celebrated our completions and rethought those areas where we feel short. We discuss our shortcomings honestly and openly. The board wants me to serve another four years. However, I’m not sure I will do that. I have my own reasons for my reluctance. That’s neither here nor there. The bottom line is that we have always told the truth and interacted openly and honestly.
In my view, Mr. Romney has not done that. You and I might agree to disagree about that. We can do so amicably.
another interesting endorsement for Pres. Obama.
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/why-obama-endorsement-from-starbucks-ceo-who-battled-obamacare-is-a-big-deal/politics/2012/11/01/52760
“Dan Radmacher, I did indeed use the term deficit when I should have said debt. And that is the exact type of technicallity that proves why Obama should be re-elected, right?”
–Comment by Another Chuck
Another Chuck! The difference between the debt and the deficit is NOT “a technicality” if you thought Obama promised to cut the debt in half and are holding him responsible for that promise when he actually promised something else. He promised to cut the deficit in half, and he failed to meet that mark (he cut it by what, 25 percent instead?), but part of the reason he failed to cut it more is the economy didn’t grow enough, because since 2010 the GOP has been blocking everything he has tried to get it to grow. And they have done that purely for political reasons.
“It’s gotta be better, and damage fewer brain cells, than whatever you’re drinking, pammala.
But, if you want to point to a single economic indicator that proves my statement false, feel free to give it a shot.”
–Comment by Dan R
Ditto that. Have another shot of Everclear, pammala. Heck, have two!
Enough of the political divide.
Go Canes!!!! We’re going to Charlotte, I just hope we are watching Miami and not Duke or Tech vs the Atlantic. But at least Duke fans may buy the extra tickets. In the past several years it has become harder to get rid of the tickets with Tech Fans.
It may take everything Va Tech has to finish .500. So much for the 10-win mumbo jumbo.
Ron, thanks for the reasonable response. An earlier poster said she would take her liar and I can have mine…that about sums it up. The only distinction is that one liar has a presidential record.
Dan R, I get the whole entitlement spending requirements you are referring to in the budget. But they are not going away and Obama has done nothing to address them in a leadership role. Romney might? Part of the budget problem is the fact that a term such as deficit spending is defined by a reduction in proposed increases in actual spending. There should only be one baseline…revenues vs expenditures. Political games by both parties is exactly why we are in our current predicament.
Some interesting reads:
Rep. Paul Ryan makes some plans what to do after the election, when he’s not VP
Obama leads in 7 Ohio polls released in the past 2 days.
GOP lawmakers suppress Congressional report that says tax cuts for wealthy do not lead to economic growth.
Rush Limbaugh suggests NJ Gov. Chris Christie has gay crush on Obama
Politico: ‘Swing’ states are leaning 6-3 for Obama, but the margins are thin
Obama moves barely ahead in Real Clear Politics Average; leads in 3 of the last 5 national polls. One was a tie, Romney led in other (Rasmussen)
Dick Morris predicts a Romney landslide
Comment from Another Chuck
Ok Dan….yes small businesses with under 50 employees are exempt, and so are some of the larger unions and various other winners and losers that the Obama administration loves to pick. They picked some really awesome “winners” in the green energy areana to the tune of $98 billion in total tax payer loss that will never be paid back
This statement is also at odds with reality. Of mthe 98 billion plus spent in the wlternative energy pottion of the stimulus biudge6t, much of it has been very effective. It is untrue that 98 billion dollars was wasted and will never be paid back. There were many keyaspects to this legislation that are still having positive effects on employment and more importantly on reducing carbon emissions and improving environmental health. There is money in there for high speed rail, for the development of the smart grid. Billions were spent on improving the energy efficiency of government buildings, commercisl buildings, and private homes. The big gripe that Republicans and conservatives have is that about 8 billikon dollaqrs was lost by l;oasn guarantees to companies that ultimately failed, like Solyndra. Taking a chance on capital ventures of tyhis type is alw3ays risky buswines. The loan failure rate in invewstments of this type was a litlle over 8% which is actually a better track reord than the vulture caqpitalist Mitt Romney had in his Bain Capital investments. They failed at a rate of 22%. There was decidedly not a failure or loss of 98 billion in the alternative energy portion of the stimulus.
Another Chuck,
Below is a link to another false attack sanctioned by Mitt Romney & his minions which exemplfies his willingness to do and say anything to get elected. It is sad and adds to my unwillingness to trust him should he be elected president.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/mitt-romney-unleashes-his-ugliest-attack-yet/
hey dave in post #73,
You are posting WAY past your bedtime. What does “Of mthe 98 billion plus spent in thewlternative energy pottion of the stimulus biudge6t”…
Ron, I agree this campaign is indeed ugly. But, I believe the tenor of this campaign was set early on when the Obama folks publically stated mission was to “kill” Romney. After the first debate, folks saw he was not a monster, very presidential and a very bright guy.
“Ron, I agree this campaign is indeed ugly. But, I believe the tenor of this campaign was set early on when the Obama folks publically stated mission was to “kill” Romney. After the first debate, folks saw he was not a monster, very presidential and a very bright guy.”
Another Chuck,
You’re for Romney, right? I’m sure you would have preferred Obama & Co. play a high-road-only game, and to have marveled at Mitt’s Boy Scout-good looks, his charming family and his career of rescuing companies, the Olympics, and the runaway daughters of his co-workers, and to talk only about what Obama is FOR rather than examine Mitt’s record in business and politics and to try to make sense of his “plans.”
But would that have changed your mind about who to vote for?
No, it would not have. But it would have dovetailed nicely against the 4-year-long sordid narrative the GOP has painted of Obama — as a coke-snorting and dealing communist bisexual gun-confiscating non-citizen Affirmative-Action baby Muslim terrorist who (through his preacher) damned America and wanted to fundamentally change this country into something along the line of North Korea. Right?
That narrative began even before he moved into the White House, and it was buttressed with Mitch McConnell’s statement that the GOP’s No. 1 goal was to make sure Obama would not be re-elected. Their chief goal was NOT, mind you, to fix the nation’s economic woes, to help people who needed it rather than those who did not, etc. It was to get Obama.
Given all that, it’s kind of galling to read you say you didn’t like the fact that Obama & Co. weren’t playing nice as early as a year ago.
Well Dan, I don’t believe all the portrayals of Obama that you described but I do believe there are some partial truths in there. I believe that Obama, through his actions is a social justice warrior that wants to govern like robin hood. Addtionally, I believe he aspires to the European semi-socialist model. I believe he wants us to be merely a cog in the wheel of the global community instead of being the steering force of the wheel.
I am much more of a libertarian than a republican. I want a very small and non-invasive central government. Protect us and provide for those who truly can’t and get out of the way.
You are correct in your assessment that if Obama ran the cleanest of all campaigns, I would not vote for him due to the reasons explained above.
More local layoffs in an industry that is a true forecaster of the economy. Not good! http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/316169
Another quick though. The democratically controlled senate is stopping all legislation. The house has passed many realistic and helpful bills. Harry Reid and Co. Won’t even put them up for a vote. And you know as well as I, if the senate doesn’t like the bill as presented, they can tweak it and send it back to the house. So Dan, who is obstructing legislation? The 2010 mid- term elections were much more reflective of our center-right country than the 08 presidential election. We will soon determine our ongoing direction.
“Well Dan, I don’t believe all the portrayals of Obama that you described but I do believe there are some partial truths in there.”
Another Chuck, I’m glad you don’t believe them but that’s not the point.
I believe you recognize that all those memes and more were floated by the RW in order to deny Obama’s legitimacy and make sure he lost the next election.
The point is the lie machine has been going after Obama for 4 years, and you’re grousing about Obama & Co going after Romney for one.
And you have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting what you want with Romney.
Gomer (er Frank)
Somewhere there is a rope waiting for you to piss up. I suggest you make better use of your time and go find it..
Sandy, I believe there is a decent chance with Romney of bringing us together. I really do! Obama is not going to UN-polarize the country. The 08 rhetoric has not matched his performance… At all.
If you really believe that Another Chuck you are deluding yourself. The Koch brothers, Grover Norquist, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell, et.al will simply not permit him to even try to “bring us together.” There will be no gathering around the campfire and singing of Kum By Ya.
Dave,
tat wsa nit a vwry bnic thoign to s ay
AC: Respected economists say the GOP jobs bills you refer to are bunk, and would do nothing to help stimulate short-term job growth. On the other hand, the American Jobs Act, which was bottled up by House Republicans and filibustered by Senate Republicans, would have created 2 million jobs THIS YEAR, again, according to credible, independent economists.
Who is obstructing legislation that will actually do some good? Republicans.
Finally, Obama tried to work in a bipartisan way, but since Republicans met the day he was sworn in and decided the best way to defeat him was unyielding opposition, that didn’t work out so well for him, or the nation. Republicans put their party’s interests above the nation’s, engaging in economic treason.
What do people really mean when they say any candidate-Rmoney in the current example-looks “very presidential” (e.g. #76)?
Another Chuck, would you please elaborate on what you mean with some details for us? Did Nixon seem “very presidential”? LBJ, Sean Hannity, Pat Robertson, Max Cleland, Shirley Chisolm? Is whatever you have in mind indicative of the person’s actual ability to govern? Does it involve demographic factors? Can you name any women you’ve ever felt were “very presidential”?
“Very presidential” = white and looks good in a suit.
I love when people say Obama doesnt look “presidential”. He’s President. He looks exactly the way a president looks.
Goober (er matt)
There’s one right beside it waiting for you. Hope you an d Gomer enjoy your time together!
Oh, good Lord you race phobic liberal weenies. I think Obama looks and acts presidential as does Romney. I dont think McCain, Biden or Harry Reid for example carry themselves in a “presidential” manner. And for all of you that turned my presidential appearance comment into a implied racial slur…shame on you!!!
#89 And don’t forget that some folks can hardly wait to return to a first lady who “looks like” a first lady.
I will not vote for Barack Obama because he has failed as President! He is a polarization, partisan political hack that choose the cut the grass (Obamacare) when the house was on fire (Economy). Unemployment is HIGHER today than the day he took office, $5.2 trillion (47%) has been added to our national debt, he is obviously lying about the Libya situation, he whispered to a Russian official that “I’ll have more flexibility after my next election. He wants us to believe that by taxing the rich more our debt problems will be solved. You can take 100% of their money and it will not dent our national debt. He divides people by social, gender, class and ethnic voting blocks. He did go on an apology world tour for American actions whether he used the term, “I’m sorry” or not. He has failed…and that is why I will not vote for him. Not a damn thing to do with the color of his skin! P.S. Message to Sandra Fluke-Buy your own birth control pills!!! I’m out of here.
hey little davey,
So…, what you wrote was so bad even YOU couldn’t decipher it! Sheesh. I’m serious! You can’t make this stuff up!
Another Chuck, you are simply and flatly wrong. You vote any damn way you want, but do the nation a favor and base that vote on the truth, facts and reality.
Barack Obama has not “failed as President”. That is just not the truth!
He is not polarizing, the right wing media portrays him that way. He has made more overtures than the obstructive right wing ever deserved and he was ALWAYS rebuffed and dismissed. If Bush (or Romney) had been treated as Obama has, you all would be apoplectic.
He chose to work on health care reform because the cost of health care is a HUGE driver of our deficit and debt. As a nation and as individuals.
Obama has not caused unemployment, he has stopped the hemorrhage he inherited!
The biggest drivers of that “$5.2 trillion” added to the debt was for running the government, paying for the wars, health care etc. not things the President could just say no to. You are being dishonest in that assessment.
You are guessing, sadly even hoping he is “lying about the Libya situation”, as more facts come out, it looks like a CIA mission gone wrong.
“CIA Takes Heat for Role in Libya”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204712904578092853621061838.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStorie
You have no clue what his comments to the Russian representative means, but you are such a stalwart American you are more than willing to call it wrong.
What he wants us to believe is that by making the tax structure more fair, we ALL share in the sacrifices required to right this ship.
He has not said nor implied that taxing the rich more is the only solution to our debt problems.
NO ONE “divides people by social, gender, class and ethnic voting blocks” worse than the right wing media and their minions like you.
He did NOT “go on an apology world tour for American actions”, that is just a lie too.
Your bias and right wing narrative (facts optional) say he “has failed”, the truth is another story.
“Five years after the onset of the 2007 subprime financial crisis, U.S. gross domestic product per capita remains below its initial level. Unemployment, though down from its peak, is still about 8 percent. Rather than the V- shaped recovery that is typical of most postwar recessions, this one has exhibited slow and halting growth.
This disappointing performance shouldn’t be surprising. We have presented evidence that recessions associated with systemic banking crises tend to be deep and protracted and that this pattern is evident across both history and countries. Subsequent academic research using different approaches and samples has found similar results.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-15/sorry-u-s-recoveries-really-aren-t-different.html
And on a related note:
“Clinton said Rogoff is a moderate Republican. And then he related a conversation he had with Rogoff after reading his book.
“I called him on the phone and I said, ‘I read this very carefully. I just have a question. Do you believe that there’s any way America could have fully recovered from that crash in four years?’” Clinton said. “He said, ‘Lord no.’”
“He said, ‘No serious person believes that.’ He said, ‘The average country takes 10 years,’” Clinton said.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/01/bill-clinton-economist-kenneth-rogoff-obama_n_2061734.html
The people blaming Obama for not fixing what he did not break and not being able to do what could not be done, should have at least a little shame. But then again, they support Romney while calling Obama a liar too. Go figure.
Hey Gomer (er frank )! Found that rope yet? Keep on looking . Goober is there waiting for you to hold his hand.
Another Chuck has this all figured out. Obamas four years have been deploarable as a leader.Say what you will, it will all come down to the economy. People vote with their wallets and pocketbooks, not emotions.
Wonder who Obama is going to blame once he loses next week? Bush? Clinton?
Hoax and change have failed!!
Sandi,everything I said was accurate, but I will do you a favor and boil it down to 3 simpy realities….These are the reasons why I will not voter for Obama:
1. Unemployment is higher today than when he took office.
2. We are $5.2 trillion more in debt since he took office.
3. Obamacare will add to our debt and is a TAX.
These are FACTS that don’t require explanation, inuendo, ambiguity, spin, opinion, emotion, leg tingling, worshipping, name calling ,blame, links to websites, idealological opinion, argument, well thought-out responses, or your input Sandi. Best wishes for the United States electorate to choose the best President!
It’s all about the economy? The same economy that was flushing itself down the toilet four years ago, losing 800,000 jobs a month, now in its 32nd month of consistent private-sector gains?
The same economy that is doing far better, jobs-wise, than it did during Bush’s first term?
Things are getting better. People know it. That’s why Obama will win Tuesday.
“I’m out of here.”
Promises, promises.
You’re kidding right Sandi. You can honestly say with a straight face that Obama has been treated worse than Bush or Romney? You and your ilk spent years calling Bush a mass murderer. You’ve done the same with Romney. Now you think Obama has been treated badly because he has faced the same beltway politics that every president since Bush I has faced? That is laughable.
Hussein has been treated no worse than the foaming-at-the-mouth left treated Bush.
Equally laughable is the idea that the CIA is suddenly now responsible for Libya. First it was Clinton and the State Dept taking the blame. Now it’s the CIA. Are you really so naive to not realize that both agencies WORK FOR THE PRESIDENT. Of course they are trying to take the blame in the days leading up to their boss’ potential re-election. It’s about as plausible as the idea that Bush was responsible for FEMA’s failings when he was president, but Obama bears no responsibility for his Justice Department’s failings while he is president.
The people blaming Obama for not fixing what he did not break and not being able to do what could not be done, should have at least a little shame. But then again, they support Romney while calling Obama a liar too. Go figure.
Comment by Sandi Saunders — November 2, 2012 @ 6:07 pm
Obama is a liar. . .Benghazi is proof. Obama’s polices made things worse
not better. . .you cannot get to where you want to go by taking the wrong
path. Stimulus and prolifice spending; as well as theft, corruption and
cronyism; do not a recession cure.
I love when people say Obama doesnt look “presidential”. He’s President. He looks exactly the way a president looks.
Comment by Kristen — November 2, 2012 @ 2:51 pm
Perhaps; if he is eligible to be POTUS. There is a legitimate question as
to whether he is eligible.
Radmucker,
This administration has never had a budget passed; they just continue to
spend more than is taken in. As to deficits, Forbes did a little analysis and looked at deficits as a ratio of GDP…here’s how a number of
presidents stack up; Clinton .05, Reagan, GHW Bush and GW tied = 4.2, Obama = 8.9. No question, Obama is the deficit Queen.
Come on, Chuck. Who’s called Romney a mass murderer?
I for one don’t think Bush is a mass murderer. You’d have an easier time persuading me on war criminal.
Chuck, why don’t you go and read Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Pay particular attention to Shirer’s accounts of the German justifications for the invasions of Czechoslovakia and Poland.
Leon: You are so full of it, you don’t even know you’re full of it. You’re not worth wasting any time or pixels on.
AC: 1. Unemployment is higher today than when he took office.
2. We are $5.2 trillion more in debt since he took office.
3. Obamacare will add to our debt and is a TAX.
Actually, only one of those is a fact, unless you want to get really nitpicky and claim that unemployment inching up from 7.8 percent to 7.9 percent because the job market has improved so much that more people are looking for jobs is a bad thing.
Fact: We were shedding more than 800,000 jobs a month. Now we’ve added more than 5 million private-sector jobs in the last two years, SHATTERING Bush’s first-term jobs performance.
Fact: We have added $5 trillion to the debt, largely because of the ongoing costs of two unpaid for wars that Obama actually put on the budget, Bush’s tax cuts, depressed revenue from the recession and increased costs for unemployment and other temporary assistance related to the recession. This would have happened under any president.
Fact: The CBO, which scores these things, says Obamacare will REDUCE the deficit. And cover 30 million currently uninsured Americans. And help bring down Medicare costs. Repealing Obamacare would be the dumbest thing anyone who claims to be concerned about the deficit could possibly do.
I see dannyrad is still emotionally tied to his lord and master bammy, lol..what an idiot. Still cant see the truth
104 he is nothing but a thug dear and if you cannot recognize that you are a pitiful waste of humanity
107.Leon: You are so full of it, you don’t even know you’re full of it. You’re not worth wasting any time or pixels on.
Comment by Dan Radmacher — November 3, 2012 @ 12:10 am
Your commentary should be directed toward yourself. You posted some of
your fabricated Obama stats on deficits. I responded and provided you
some analysis which contains truth. You don’t like it, cannot refute it;
and therefore resort to sour grapes…a little whine for Radmucker.
IMO I’d appreciate you not posting your lies and fabrications; but if you must; know they are great fun to refute!
hey Bobsey Twin #1 (ah, that would be davey),
What were you thinking when you worte “of mthe 98 billion plus spent in thewlternative energy pottion of the stimulus biudge6t”?
I note for the record (what ever THAT means anymore…) that your earlier, original post #73 has morphed into a much different post. Looks like you got ol’ dano to make a “substitution” for ya, huh? And, you have the nerve to keep harping on that rope thingy?
We all make mistakes, davey boy, but we don’t go crying to ol’ dano to rescue us. Sheesh. Kinda has the ring and smell of dishonesty…to get dano to make a substitution of posts for you,…personally.
Hey dano, what did you do to davy-boy’s original post? What other special favors have you performed for he and other libs on this blog….and they for you?
Radmucker@108,
It’s all Lypocrisy Radmucker. The “real” unemployment rate is between 14 and 15% when those deleted from the tabulation who have given up looking for work are included. The debt run up by the present corrupt administration isn’t because of the wars; it’s cronyism and redistribution of wealth on a massive scale to the tune of 47.0% of the population is, in some form or another, on the public dole. As to Obamacare…it is not and never was about Healthcare…but rather about government control of healtcare and the price we will pay for it is not all in dollars and cents. Bet you will volunteer to be on the “death panel” being that you are so pompous and arrogant. BTW, it does gut medicare of over $700 billion; so if one is on medicare or soon to be on it repealing Obamacare is a MUST vote for Romney.
Dan R, I posted these simple truths:
AC: 1. Unemployment is higher today than when he took office.
2. We are $5.2 trillion more in debt since he took office.
3. Obamacare will add to our debt and is a TAX.
Your wrote 5 paragraphs as to how and why these are wrong.
Challage for you: Today is Saturday, November 3, 2012. I’m almost certain I’m right about this, but I won’t know for sure until you sign off on it. What ya got?
Dan R, let me further clarify my last post indentifing that today is Saturday, November 3, 2012. This ridiculous assumption on my part does assume I am in Roanoke, VA….which I am.
Another Chuck,
It’s interesting that you call the Affordable Care Act a tax for a couple of reasons.
First, that adopts the view of Justice John Roberts, who ruled the law constitutional. Can I assume you agree with his decision that it’s constitutional as well? Because for two years, that is all I heard from the anti-ACA crowd: How unconstitutional it was and how the SC would undoubtedly overturn it, and how surprising it was that a former constitutional law professor had signed that anti-American thing.
So if you believe it’s a tax, then you must believe it’s constitutional, because that was Roberts theory for approving it as constitutional.
Second, if it is a tax, it’s not a broad one. It’s more like the tax on cigarettes. That hits the pocket of only people who choose to make certain decisions that the government would not outlaw, but which it has an interest in discouraging. The “tax” doesn’t affect anyone currently covered by health insurance; it doesn’t affect any employer with fewer than 50 employees. It affects a minority of the population who’ve been playing the free ride game on healthcare, at the expense of the rest of us who are insured. How is this a bad thing, really? And, strictly “at tax” how is it different than Romneycare in Massachusetts?
AC: Today is November 3, 2012, and that’s one of the few accurate facts you’ve expressed here. How’s it feel?
Dan, OMG, sir! I purposely dumded down my reasons for not voting for Obama to three very simple truths. I followed up my short list of reasons with a long list of reasons that debate on these statements was not needed. Just 3 very simple bullet points that will be judged to be the truth by 100% of reasonable people. Since that post, Dan R, and now you, want argue with me regarding these very simple truths. I can debate you guys all day long, but I don’t want to.
Common sense is much more of a becoming trait that the intellectual twisting of realities.
Another Chuck, you wrote that ACA is most definitely a tax. In that case (assuming you are logical and consistent) you must believe it’s constitutional. There really is no way out of that box.
I’m merely happy to note that you believe it’s constitutional. Did you believe that before the ruling? And if not, why not? Because you didn’t think it was a tax?
Your simple truths were simply misleading, AC, and I simply pointed out why. You simply failed to counter a word I wrote.
Let me ask you this, AC: Did you vote for Bush in 2004?
“Things are getting better. People know it. That’s why Obama will win Tuesday.”
Actually Dan, I agree that Obama will probably win, but it isn’t because things are getting better and people know it. The majority of people are miserable and still think the country is headed in the wrong direction. Obama is likely to win because of liberal strongholds in states with high electoral value. That’s how he will most likely win the election but lose the popular vote. When that happened with Bush in 2000, the left assailed the electoral college as outdated and decried the Bush presidency as illegitimate. They claimed he “stole” the election. I wonder, will you in the left feel the same way this year if the same thing happens, only in your favor this year?
Oh and Dan C., no one called Romney a mass murderer yet. They just called him a murderer by making the tenuous and speculative connection between Bain Capital’s closing of a steel plant and the death of Joe Soptic’s wife several years later.
And I have read ‘The Rise & Fall . . . “. Again, another tenuous analogy at best. You, however, should study the history of the Weimar Republic if your interested in parallels between Nazi Germany and present day America.
Chuck,
Ah, thank goodness. We have slain the “opponents of Romney say he’s a mass murderer” straw man!
I’m aware of certain parallels between the Weimar Republic and present day America. And in my view, 75 percent of the blame for that belongs with the GOP. They’ve had scores of chances to compromise and they’ve defiantly refused.
(Now, don’t you come back with “WHAT ABOUT THE ACA!!!!!! NOOOOOO COMPROMISE!!!!!!” Because you would be wrong. That act contains 1,000 or more compromises, and the really, really big compromise is that Congress adopted a Heritage Foundation-inspired/Newt Gingrich-endorsed plan to begin with. The fact that nobody from the GOP voted for it is just more evidence that they will NEVER compromise.
Assuming Obama is re-elected, I’ll be watching with interest to see if Goodlatte, Griffith and Hurt are at the wheel if and when the House GOP drives this nation off a fiscal cliff, or if they jump out of the car before it gets there. I expect the latter.
So if you believe it’s a tax, then you must believe it’s constitutional, because that was Roberts theory for approving it as constitutional.
Comment by Dan Casey — November 3, 2012 @ 9:50 am
1) It does not matter whether it is a tax or not. What matters is that it
can and will be repealed.
2) If it is a tax, it represents taxation without representation as it was
passed without a single Republican vote.
3) Those that voted for this bill without reading it should be deemed
unelectable or unreelectable to public office forwever. This means
good-bye to Marx Warner in 2014…2012 is only a beginning!
“If it is a tax, it represents taxation without representation as it was passed without a single Republican vote.”
Leon, you’re a laugh riot. You cannot believe the garbage you spew. You must be a liberal, posting here to make conservatives appear stupid and uninformed and the object of derision.
On behalf of this blog, I would ask you to quit making ridiculous statements for that purpose. Most of them don’t need any help and your stuff just adds fuel to that fire.
“Obama is likely to win because of liberal strongholds in states with high electoral value. That’s how he will most likely win the election but lose the popular vote. When that happened with Bush in 2000, the left assailed the electoral college as outdated and decried the Bush presidency as illegitimate. They claimed he “stole” the election. I wonder, will you in the left feel the same way this year if the same thing happens, only in your favor this year?”
I wanted to get rid of the electoral college before 2000, Chuck, and I still do. I support that. But don’t ask me to support it retroactively, after we know the results of Tuesday’s election, because it has been the rules for this game, for both candidates.
My question is, if Obama wins the PV Tuesday but Romney is elected by the EC, will YOU support doing away with the EC, prospectively of course?
I’m finally understanding why the left-wingers in this blog are so intense….you are very nervous that Barry O will lose! And, your fears are justified.
The heavily weighted polling model giving Obama 7-9 points in the polls is based on a once in a lifetime ground swell by the Dems, that included the majority of independents and even cross-over rebulicans in 08. In my opinion, this factoring is way off. I think the polling model should be about even. I know independents are favoring Romney by at least 10 points. The tea folks are quiter yet still there, and they DOMINATED the mid-term elections.
Prediction: Romney 52%, Obama 46%. And folks, I am not joking.
Right now, Obama’s sporting a mighty .1% lead in RCP. The “popular vote” is dead even. Whatever happens in the EC, there isn’t much difference in popular vote between the two.
Leon, it’s not getting repealed. Ger used to it.
AC, your entire post is made up out of nothing.
Gomer
Clearly noone knows what you are prattling on about. My original post still stands as far as I can tell. And you clearly must be in some pain from holding back so long. Guess you still haven;t found the rope yet.
Keep on looking because I’m sure Goober must be getting awfully lonely without you.
AC
It’s quite clear that you aren’t joking. Just delusional.
Kristin, incorrect…I explained why I believe the way I do…I think the polling model of giving Obama 7-9 points is WAY off. Independents are favoring Romney by double digits in most polls I could be incorrect, but to say my post is “made of nothing” in unfair. You’re scared, aren’t you?
AC: You forgot to answer my question: Did you vote to re-elect Bush in 2004?
AC, you cite no proof of either. Where the heck is Obama getting a 7-9 point lead? Where do you get the idea that independents favor Romney at all, far less by “double digits”? (they don’t) I didn’t say you were incorrect. I said you made the whole thing up, and I’ll say it again.
And no, I’m not scared. I’m pretty sanguine at this point.
My response to that 7-9 point lead is it’s real. That lead represents the Hispanic vote which not getting polled. Obama will dominate this Demographic. Heck, it’ll even deliver Florida to Obama which most are putting firmly in the Romney column. I think not.
Romney is toast.
Kristen, the pollsters are Adjusting raw data when a sample group is 50/50, Dems and GOP. They are doing this because 7-9% more democrats voted in 08. I am suggesting this modeling is not accurate for this election cycle.
Dan R, not sure why you want to know whether I voted for Bush in 04. But I will tell you if you answer this question. Hypothetically, if GB was running for US president against Hugo Chavez, who would you vote for?
Kristen @135 – Faux News has had a parade of “pollsters” pushing that exact idea – “Romney is up with independents by double digits”…obviously Another Chuck is a foxbot…I have no idea what is going to happen to those who only tune into Faux News when stuff hits the proverbial fan on Nov 6th. Rasmussen is even coming in line with the other polls which have the President ahead…Faux News isn’t mentioning Ras anymore…
I guess AC isn’t going to answer. But I think it’s a pretty good guess that he did vote for President Bush’s re-election in 2004, and that he did so despite these facts:
1. The unemployment rate had gone up (a lot more than a tenth of a point, too; the rate went from 4.2 percent to 5.4 percent in Bush’s first term.
2. We were far more in debt than when he took office. In fact, when he took office, some were worrying that we were paying down the debt too fast. Problem solved.
3. Bush started two wars that would add trillions to the debt with no thought of how to pay for them. (Bush would also later pass healthcare reform (Medicare Part D) that would add significantly to the debt, again with no mechanism for paying for it, unlike Obamacare, which is not only fully paid for, it actually reduces the deficit.)
I guess AC needs to think of some other reasons to vote against Obama, because the reasons he stated clearly didn’t deter him when Bush was in office.
Give AC a break Dan R. You are infamous for ignoring questions you don’t like the answer to.
Dan C., we can finally agree on something. I too thought we should do away with the electoral college, before and after the debacle of 2000. The EC was developed to facilitate voting in an agrarian society before modern communication and travel were available. In this era, there is no reason that every vote couldn’t be counted via the popular election in a very timely manner. That would represent a more true equality. Under the EC, someone’s vote in places like California, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida and this year, even Virginia, is worth more than someone’s vote in somewhere like South Dakota or Montana.
I think the only way we ever get to a situation where every individual has an equal voice is if the winner of the popular vote wins the election. That said, though I know it was the liberal hue and cry for eight years after 2000, don’t expect me to call Obama’s 2nd term illegitimate if he wins the EC and loses the popular vote. As long as it follows the laws and process as they exist on election day, the result will be legitimate.
On a different note, the other day one of you was quite critical of a poster who seemed to confuse the national debt and the national deficit. You then implied that Obama was entitled to some slack because even though he promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term and failed to do so, he did cut it by 25%. Do you have a link to those figures? I’m having trouble reconciling the idea that Obama is cutting deficits when the CBO says otherwise.
Here is another interesting chart. This seems to indicate that which party is in control of Congress has more to do with deficit spending and increases in debt than who is president.
Chuck,
There was a a link in comment to a WSJ piece documenting those numbers, noting that spending had increased less under Obama than any president since Eisenhower. just find the comment and click on the link.