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“Many of my friends and family are scratching it out somewhere decidedly south of the ever widening gap between the haves and have nots, looking at losing their homes, colleges they can’t afford and healthcare they can’t avail themselves of.”
Don Cheadle

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  1. Sandi Saunders | November 12, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Thank you to all the Veterans for your service to our nation. Love, respect and thanks to all the Gonzo Veterans too!

  2. gdad | November 12, 2012 at 10:14 am

    “After Election, Shrieking White-Hot Sphere of Pure Rage Early GOP Front-Runner For 2016″

    http://www.theonion.com/video/after-obama-victory-shrieking-whitehot-sphere-of-p,30284/

  3. Nosaj | November 12, 2012 at 10:14 am

    The “Obama Phone” myth debunked on Politifact as a Pants on Fire lie by the right. Actually, the program sponsored by the FCC is called Lifeline, I believe, and it had its origins in 1985. The program started as an effort to subsidize basic phone service to needy customers, and it has since added affordable broadband service and cell phones to the program. Recipients’ income must no exceed 135% of the federal poverty level. By the way, the cell phone benefit was added in 2008, under Prez Bush.

  4. matt | November 12, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Don wants the president to be more gangsta. Eastside!!

  5. Nosaj | November 12, 2012 at 10:30 am

    BTW, I really enjoy Don Cheadle. I remember him from his days on “Picket Fences” back in the mid-90s.

  6. Bill Perdue | November 12, 2012 at 10:33 am
  7. gdad | November 12, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Actually, that should have read “After Obama Victory, Shrieking…”

  8. Dan Casey | November 12, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Nosaj,

    Of course “Obamaphones” are a myth. You didn’t actually expect Obama-haters to let the facts get in the way of that canard, did you?

  9. Kristen | November 12, 2012 at 10:42 am

    So, all of you posting about the friend of a friend of a friend’s mom who got an “obamaphone” were lying. Big shock.

  10. Kristen | November 12, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Nosaj, Don Cheadle is one of my favorites. He’s first class in everything he’s in, but I think my fav of his is Hotel Rwanda.

  11. Laura | November 12, 2012 at 10:51 am

    If anyone embodies the characteristics of a poopy head, it’s Grover Norquist.

  12. nosaj | November 12, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Dan, for some reason, that particular myth rankled me more than others. I had a suspicion that this legitimate program from the FCC started years ago.

    Anyway, I rarely comment on Suzie’s posts, but I just can’t shake her “wagon” metaphor. I have this image of Suzie and her husband driving a wagon from town to town selling their brand of snake oil to the locals. Perhaps she was a fan of the old “Wagon Train” series. Who knows, she may break out “sodbuster” as her next insult.

  13. Kristen | November 12, 2012 at 11:22 am

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/carlos-gutierrez-mitt-romney-latinos_n_2113622.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D233371

    I’d heard a lot from the talking heads about how this loss was going to stir an internal revolt among the GOP. From what this article says, those predictions are correct.

  14. Ron May | November 12, 2012 at 11:28 am

    If anyone embodies the characteristics of a poopy head, it’s Grover Norquist.

    Comment by Laura — November 12, 2012 @ 10:51 am

    Thank you Laura. I was going to say the same thing but I was going to use a four letter version of the word you used to describe Grover. You saved me. :)

  15. Bill Perdue | November 12, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Ron and Laura,

    Dan doesn’t allow that 4 letter word on his blog…LOL (but we all know what Grover was implying). That’s the one and only thing I agree with Norquist on.

  16. Sandi Saunders | November 12, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Her stupid metaphors and the stupid right wing analogies have never made any sense. Of the 47% who “pay no income taxes”:

    28.3% still pay payroll taxes so they are the working poor.
    10.3% are the elderly, retired and no longer working but still not well off
    6.9% are the non-elderly, non-working who live on under 20K (some well under) per year. The disabled and long term unemployed barely scraping by.
    Only about 1% are actually just plain “takers” if you need to call them that.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/18/who-doesnt-pay-taxes-in-charts/

    Reforming the system to get rid of the so called “takers” would not save us much more than firing Big Bird and PBS. They are drops in the bucket. NO ONE is going to convince this nation to abandon the poor, the working poor, the elderly or the disabled. Reforms to get rid of waste, abuse, fraud etc is acceptable, but again, it is not the billions upon billions many insist.

    Also, firing or laying off people because of Obamacare or Obama winning is going to gain the TP/R votes, how? In the long run, will they hate Obama or will they hate you? I think the Bain victims can tell you the answer.

  17. Dave Hicks | November 12, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    I received the following yesterday on Veterans day. Thought I’d share it with the other Vets here in Gonzo land.

    **
    You may have served in Combat or in non-combat.

    You may have retired out or you may have served for a short time.

    You may have been a draftee or a volunteer.

    You may have served in the Corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, or Coast Guard,

    BUT YOU SERVED. YOU DID YOUR JOB HONORABLY and for that I am PROUD to call you Brother.

    You may have served during Korea, WWII,. Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Iraq or Afghanistan, But you served, you did not run.

    You have a DD 214 with those words “HONORABLY DISCHARGED” two of the most noble words in the world.

    Again I am proud to know each and every one of you.

    * Today is Band of Brothers’ Day * ; send this to all your brothers, fathers, sons and fellow veterans you know. Happy Brothers’ Day!

    To the cool men that have touched my life: Here’s to you!! I was never a hero, but I am thankful and proud to have served among them.

    A real Brother walks with you when the rest of the world walks on you.

    Send to all your Band of Brothers, because the fake ones won’t.
    **

    BTW, as to the words “I was never a hero”, the friend who sent it to me is a very highly decorated Marine.

  18. pammala | November 12, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    elmo, what is wrong with you ..16 yr old boy??…my my my

  19. pammala | November 12, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    “will they hate Obama”

    stupid question, of COURSE we hate 0bummer

    go eat another doughnut

  20. Contrasuzie | November 12, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    “Talk To Me” is a really good Don Cheadle movie, too.

  21. Bill Perdue | November 12, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Sandi, Romney’s 47% comments were either (1) he knowingly was using a vile lie to stump for wealthy donors/voters, or (2) he was stupid enough to believe the 47% lie. Either way, that disqualified him to lead this country.

  22. Miriam | November 12, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Many thanks to all our Veterans.

  23. Kristen | November 12, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    So pammallala…do you just walk around with a big ole L tattooed on your forehead?

  24. Contrasuzie | November 12, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    “pammala says:

    elmo, what is wrong with you ..16 yr old boy??…my my my

    Posted on November 12th, 2012″

    What the hell is it babbling about now?

  25. Sandi Saunders | November 12, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Obviously pammala did not understand the point. Why am I not surprised?

  26. Sandi Saunders | November 12, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Kristen, she has bangs no doubt.

  27. gdad | November 12, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    #18 Good lord, pammie really has stopped making sense.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r7X3f2gFz4

  28. gdad | November 12, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Wait, I thought Obama was shutting down U.S. oil production.

    “The U.S. will become the world’s top producer of oil within five years, a net exporter of the fuel around 2030 and nearly self-sufficient in energy by 2035, according to a new report from the International Energy Agency.”

    http://tinyurl.com/bd4gdlv

  29. Dave Hicks | November 12, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Re: Comment by Contrasuzie — November 12, 2012 @ 12:51 pm

    I assume pammala is referring to this story: http://tinyurl.com/bpe537c

    FWIIW, see. “The age of consent in New York, where the show is filmed, is 17 – Clash does not deny the relationship but says it happened after the accuser was an adult.” and “We conducted a thorough investigation and found the allegation of underage conduct to be unsubstantiated.”

    However, I have no idea in what reference to what is being currently discussed or in what context pammala’s comment was made.

  30. Dave Hicks | November 12, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    The future of NYC and much of the east coast of the US? — http://tinyurl.com/bulm6ns

    ;-)

    .

  31. Dave Hicks | November 12, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Thoughts?????

    http://tinyurl.com/bhr67fq

    **
    Shaken, Not Stirred by CIA ‘Values’

    Why do the CIA director’s peccadilloes rile us more than his policies?

    BY DAVID ROTHKOPF | NOVEMBER 12, 2012

    SNIP

    Now, many people I know and respect greatly consider Petraeus to be an extremely admirable, capable, and intelligent guy. But the notion that the violation of anyone’s “principles” led to his resignation is laughable. Further, the idea that an affair involving the CIA director would trigger a national scandal when the daily activities of the agency do not is ludicrous bordering on offensive.

    What was at stake here was priggishness, not values. As others have pointed out, many of Petraeus’s predecessors have had affairs as have many of their bosses and colleagues in the White House, on Capitol Hill, or elsewhere in public life.

    SNIP

    The real scandal here is that when the head of the CIA sleeps with someone who is not his wife, it causes a national scandal, but when the agency manages a drone program that serially violates the sovereignty of nations worldwide, that it helps formulate and then execute “kill lists” that make James Bond’s most egregious sprees of violence look a kindergarten birthday party, it does not.

    SNIP
    **

  32. Dan Casey | November 12, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Seriously, folks. You don’t need to chase down the stuff pammala posts here. I can tell you right now it’s ALL wrong.

  33. Kristen | November 12, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    DaveH, I don’t think he resigned over infidelity. I think he resigned because he allowed his girlfriend access to classified information way beyond her clearance level.

  34. Cold n P | November 12, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    I like all Don Cheadle movies, he was part of an allstar ensemble in Boogie Nights, one of my favorite movies of all time. Sad, yet so funny. Go Buck!

  35. dave | November 12, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Gomer, Goober, Leon, and Pistol Pete have made themselves quite scarce since Tuesday. And Lake Claytor, Another Chuck, Big Momma, and SharonN
    have become invisible. While poor old terps, who cleasrly saw this coming has been gone for an extended period. They seem to have left the field to the delusinal duo of Suzie and pammalalaldingbat. . And if they are the best the Repubs have to offer, no wonder they went down in flames last week.

  36. Shrillary | November 12, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Here’s an interesting fun fact:

    60 Percent of Women in Congress Were Girl Scouts

    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/thats-senator-girl-scout-you

  37. Dave Hicks | November 12, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    SCOTUS case, on which I’d love to hear folk’s thoughts — plus some thoughts on an extension of the question.

    http://tinyurl.com/aalun87

    **
    Supreme Court to weigh criminal DNA law

    By Bill Mears, CNN Supreme Court Producer
    updated 6:12 PM EST, Fri November 9, 2012

    STORY HIGHLIGHTS

    √ Court to examine whether police can take DNA samples after arrest

    √ Case involves challenge to Maryland man by man convicted of rape

    √ Courts have been at odds over when samples can be collected

    √ Supreme Court decision could have implications nationally

    SNIP
    **

    1) Should LEOs be able to take DNA on arrest (rather like a fingerprint) but prior to conviction w/o probable cause as required in a search warrant?

    Note: this case and other cases are not cases where there is cause to suspect the arrestee has done anything particular related to DNA that might be on file. It is to obtain DNA to conduct a “blind search” for totally unrelated charges — say you are arrested for DUI the DNA was taken and you are also charged with rape.

    2) Second question, by way of extension and other cases in the queue: Should that DNA be used for a forensic familial DNA “blind searching” for investigative purposes? (BTW, the practice was recently adopted in Virginia http://tinyurl.com/aexflpo )

    Note: in the “Grim Sleeper” serial killer case a search of California’s DNA database using DNA from a young man arrested on a totally unrelated case partially matched samples taken from discarded slice of pizza at a Grim Sleeper crime scenes. That match lead to the arrest of the first arrestee’s father.

  38. gdad | November 12, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    #33 I didn’t chase anything down; I just linked to a little entertainment. pammalamadingdong’s stuff is so utterly inane that it’s instantly obvious there’s nothing to it.

  39. Kristen | November 12, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Yeah, poor terps…Obama AND Elizabeth Warren the Faux Indian.

  40. gdad | November 12, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    #31 Apparently Norfolk is headed in that direction.

  41. Dave Hicks | November 12, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Re: Comment by Kristen — November 12, 2012 @ 2:22 pm

    Kristen,

    I have been suspecting that, but haven’t seen any thing on it.

    See: “F.B.I. agents who recognized the high stakes of any investigation involving the C.I.A. director but who were wary of exposing a private affair with no criminal or security implications.” — http://tinyurl.com/axym9x3

    Do you have any links?

  42. Dan Casey | November 12, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    “#31 Apparently Norfolk is headed in that direction.”

    gdad, apparently you have forgotten that global warming and rising sea levels are all a big lie.

  43. Kristen | November 12, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/12/paula-broadwell-david-petraeus_n_2117386.html

    “But Broadwell’s access appears to have raised red flags even during her embed, and the concerns continued long after her embed was over, when her relationship with the general reportedly took place.”

    “In an October speech at the University of Denver, Broadwell cited a little-known detail about the attacks in Benghazi, which had recently flared into controversy that threatened to envelop Petraeus.”

    It’s just a hunch on my part, but there’s really no other reason for him to be forced into resignation. If every official in DC who got caught cheating was forced to quit, it would be pretty empty there. And obviously Petraeus himself knows better than anyone else what’s out there to be found, and seems to have made the preemptive move.

    Or it could just be that Broadwell sounds a little nutty. Who knows.

  44. Dave Hicks | November 12, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Re: Comment by Kristen — November 12, 2012 @ 3:29 pm

    Thanks.

    Had missed those.

  45. Kristen | November 12, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    DaveH, I know it’s only HuffPo, but it’s early days yet. And a material security breach is (to me) the only thing that would explain his up and leaving the job entirely. Surely dealing with a scorned wife at home isn’t a full-time job, so to me there’s something bigger at play here.

  46. scott whitaker | November 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    #44 “If every official in DC who got caught cheating was forced to quit, it would be pretty empty there.”

    That’s pretty cynical if you ask me. The “everybody does it so why shouldn’t I” mentality can be used to justify a lot of behavior and I for one, while acknowledging man’s (and woman’s) fallibility, believe we as a species have a vested interest in ultimately doing the right thing. I spent 30 years in law enforcement BTW and am well versed in not only man’s fallibility but also his inclination to invoke the “everybody does” it rationale.

  47. scott whitaker | November 12, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Sorry if this has already been posted here. If not, I consider this a must read:

    http://www.ericgarland.co/2012/11/09/letter-to-a-future-republican-strategist-regarding-white-people/

  48. Dan Casey | November 12, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    One of the things Paula Broadwell told Don Imus during an interview in January, discussing fitness in the military, is “your body is the ultimate weapon.”

    In light of recent events, and how she destroyed his job by sleeping with Petreus (he was equally responsible) that comment has a new meaning today.

    She also described herself “just a soccer mom, having a good time.”

  49. Kristen | November 12, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Oh brother, scott whitaker. Petraeus was working and sometimes basically living with a much younger woman a lot better looking than his wife. If you want to pretend that what happened with him is some bizarre anomaly,or the end of the world as we know it, go ahead. For someone with a long career in combat and then heading up the CIA, I doubt this is the worst thing he’s ever done, so let’s not act like he was torturing babies or something. My point was – it’s not worth quitting your job over, unless there’s something bigger out there.

  50. Kristen | November 12, 2012 at 4:19 pm
  51. scott whitaker | November 12, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    i don’t think pammala knows the election has been held what do you libs think

  52. Dave Hicks | November 12, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Dan,

    Ever have a link-of-the-day?

    If not, think about it re: the link @ Comment by scott whitaker — November 12, 2012 @ 4:13 pm

  53. Debbie | November 12, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Kristen, he should give all the loonies who want to secede, some land in Idaho or Alaska and make sure they have no access to federal resources.

  54. Charlie Self | November 12, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Scott, it is not only a “must” read, it is funny, intelligent and right on the money. Thanks for posting the link.

  55. Dave Hicks | November 12, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Re: Comment by scott whitaker — November 12, 2012 @ 4:06 pm

    I suspect that in DC et al it is more a matter of the arrogance-of-power, than just the everybody-does-it-so-why-shouldn’t-I mentality.

    However, IMHO, that doesn’t mean that “If every official in DC who got caught cheating was forced to quit, it [there wouldn't create a major exodus].”

    Folk often talk about the “corruption of power.” However, to me that suggest a direct misuse of power itself, whereas the arrogance comes before the misuse, IMHO. I think it is the feeling of invulnerability that leads to escalating ethical lapses.

    —–

    BTW, thanks for your service as an LEO.

  56. gdad | November 12, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    #43 My bad, Dan. There are no water problems in Norfolk.

  57. Shrillary | November 12, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Dave Hicks @ 38…I think this case will be decided in favor of law enforcement and will be a loss for the right to privacy and an affront to our 4th Amendment rights.

    To the question of whether law enforcement should be able to take DNA on an arrest not related to the need for DNA…
    The problems I see are twofold: 1. Because half the states have already passed laws for DNA Arrestee Testing, and at least
    26 have enacted legislation that requires DNA from certain felony arrestees – the genie is already out of the bottle. Samples have already been taken, and results already filed away in a database somewhere. Murders and rape cases have been solved and the law enforcement consensus that testing catches criminals sooner, may prevent crimes, may save lives by using DNA to its full potential has become the mantra – with little thought to the slippery slope risk. Already there is a trend in some states to expand the mandated testing requirements to include those found guilty of a misdemeanor. Where would the line drawn?

    The second problem I see, is there is a presumption of innocence in criminal law. Why should any state or federal law enforcement official have the authority to take DNA samples from a person not suspected of a specific crime, not charged with a crime necessitating a DNA sample, nor placed under arrest for a crime necessitating a DNA sample. Unfettered access to a person’s genetic material is the definition of a violation of one’s privacy. Taken DNA from an individual not a suspect/not accused of nor convicted of a murder, rape or other violent crime is a obvious violation of an individuals Fourth Amendment Right. Unless there is a conviction, I am against random DNA fishing expeditions.

    I am in favor of convicted felons having their DNA taken which has been done for 20+ years. In 2009, in NJ, I was in favor of mandatory DNA testing of those convicted of rape and forced to undergo a mandatory HIV test. This was a victory for victims’ to know whether they were infected at the time of the crime by the convicted rapist – collecting DNA from those convicted of violent felonies and adding them to a Database, to me makes sense.

  58. scott whitaker | November 12, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Kristen certainly not a “bizarre anomaly” and nothing I said would suggest that. Just not business as usual.

  59. scott whitaker | November 12, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Dan saw a clip of Brownwell with Jon Stewart, taped in January. Other than her being dressed like it was mid July, what I took away from this was that this was a woman who gets what she wants. She got it and a bit more I’d say.

  60. Shrillary | November 12, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Petreaus’ actions indicate very poor judgement and because adultery is illegal in the military and the military penalty remains pretty harsh: up to a year in confinement plus a dishonorable discharge,. and loss of pension. Petreaus may have felt a resignation would end the probe.
    But the question that will follow Petreaus is, did this affair start while he was still a military man or after he became CIA Director? His resignation might have been to curtail any further investigation. This however may be the other shoe waiting to drop.

  61. John Wilburn | November 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Bill Purdue:

    “Dan doesn’t allow that 4 letter word on his blog”

    Or maybe he does now:

    http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/11/guest-post-18-reasons-for-dems-to-celebrate-the-elections/#comment-236787

  62. Suzie | November 12, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    We thought the 880-13 tally was unbelievable, but it sounds the Democrats in Roanoke still have a thing or two to learn about cheating. Turns out in Cuyahoga county alone, more than 100 precincts gave 0bama 99% of the vote, and in 16 precincts, 0bama got exactly 100% of the vote. Check out these totals:

    0154 CLEVELAND -02-Q: 542 – 0
    0192 CLEVELAND -04-L: 388 – 0
    0204 CLEVELAND -05-E: 597 – 0
    0205 CLEVELAND -05-F: 483 – 0
    0206 CLEVELAND -05-G: 257 – 0
    0219 CLEVELAND -05-T: 386 – 0
    0228 CLEVELAND -06-H: 405 – 0
    0232 CLEVELAND -06-L: 70 – 0
    0233 CLEVELAND -06-M: 419 – 0
    0241 CLEVELAND -06-U: 118 – 0
    0248 CLEVELAND -07-F: 361 – 0
    0273 CLEVELAND -08-J: 472 – 0
    0280 CLEVELAND -08-Q: 49 – 0
    0285 CLEVELAND -09-B: 414 – 0
    0288 CLEVELAND -09-E: 478 – 0
    0523 EAST CLEVELAND -04-C: 486 – 0

    Holy hell, that’s a combined 6000 to 0. Not one miscreant in the bunch. Not one who voter decided to be different. Not one whippersnapper who wanted to tweak his family. None of that. 6000 to Oh. Incredible

    The last two leaders to score 100% of the vote were Robert Mugabe and Saddam Hussein.

    http://www.infowars.com/fraud-obama-won-more-than-99-percent-of-the-vote-in-more-than-100-ohio-precincts-2/

  63. Suzie | November 12, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    Just a few more Cuyahoga results. These are more reasonable than those from my last post. They only work out to 99.8% of the vote. Thank God! I was beginning to wonder if there some irregularities going on.

    0118 CLEVELAND -01-A: 438 – 1
    0144 CLEVELAND -02-G: 532 – 1
    0183 CLEVELAND -04-C: 548 – 1
    0185 CLEVELAND -04-E: 522 – 1
    0190 CLEVELAND -04-J: 434 – 1
    0200 CLEVELAND -05-A: 364 – 1
    0217 CLEVELAND -05-R: 357 – 1
    0240 CLEVELAND -06-T: 148 – 1
    0272 CLEVELAND -08-I: 473 – 1
    0274 CLEVELAND -08-K: 382 – 1
    0276 CLEVELAND -08-M: 492 – 1
    0279 CLEVELAND -08-P: 378 – 1
    0284 CLEVELAND -09-A: 320 – 1
    0287 CLEVELAND -09-D: 394 – 1
    0289 CLEVELAND -09-F: 468 – 1
    0290 CLEVELAND -09-G: 400 – 1
    0303 CLEVELAND -10-C: 471 – 1
    0312 CLEVELAND -10-L: 363 – 1
    0314 CLEVELAND -10-N: 340 – 1
    0315 CLEVELAND -10-O: 473 – 1
    0512 EAST CLEVELAND -02-D: 437 – 1
    0513 EAST CLEVELAND -02-E: 359 – 1
    1040 WARRENSVILLE HTS -02-A: 523 – 1
    1041 WARRENSVILLE HTS -02-B: 514 – 1

    0120 CLEVELAND -01-C: 531 – 2
    0128 CLEVELAND -01-K: 470 – 2
    0136 CLEVELAND -01-S: 635 – 2
    0147 CLEVELAND -02-J: 541 – 2
    0148 CLEVELAND -02-K: 632 – 2
    0149 CLEVELAND -02-L: 531 – 2
    0153 CLEVELAND -02-P: 564 – 2
    0155 CLEVELAND -02-R: 509 – 2
    0187 CLEVELAND -04-G: 491 – 2
    0188 CLEVELAND -04-H: 508 – 2
    0194 CLEVELAND -04-N: 520 – 2
    0211 CLEVELAND -05-L: 461 – 2
    0213 CLEVELAND -05-N: 324 – 2
    0222 CLEVELAND -06-B: 637 – 2
    0225 CLEVELAND -06-E: 505 – 2
    0226 CLEVELAND -06-F: 342 – 2
    0234 CLEVELAND -06-N: 244 – 2
    0236 CLEVELAND -06-P: 438 – 2
    0249 CLEVELAND -07-G: 446 – 2
    0250 CLEVELAND -07-H: 358 – 2
    0251 CLEVELAND -07-I: 445 – 2
    0253 CLEVELAND -07-K: 429 – 2
    0256 CLEVELAND -07-N: 433 – 2
    0262 CLEVELAND -07-T: 363 – 2
    0269 CLEVELAND -08-F: 463 – 2
    0270 CLEVELAND -08-G: 516 – 2
    0278 CLEVELAND -08-O: 405 – 2
    0302 CLEVELAND -10-B: 452 – 2
    0311 CLEVELAND -10-K: 476 – 2
    0511 EAST CLEVELAND -02-C: 319 – 2
    0515 EAST CLEVELAND -03-A: 359 – 2
    0516 EAST CLEVELAND -03-B: 459 – 2
    0519 EAST CLEVELAND -03-E: 293 – 2
    0526 EAST CLEVELAND -04-F: 517 – 2
    0625 HIGHLAND HILLS -00-A: 377 – 2

    0119 CLEVELAND -01-B: 558 – 4
    0121 CLEVELAND -01-D: 452 – 3
    0122 CLEVELAND -01-E: 671 – 5
    0123 CLEVELAND -01-F: 704 – 6
    0124 CLEVELAND -01-G: 543 – 3
    0126 CLEVELAND -01-I: 674 – 4
    0127 CLEVELAND -01-J: 687 – 4
    0130 CLEVELAND -01-M: 781 – 4
    0132 CLEVELAND -01-O: 615 – 4
    0133 CLEVELAND -01-P: 733 – 5
    0134 CLEVELAND -01-Q: 753 – 6
    0135 CLEVELAND -01-R: 697 – 5
    0142 CLEVELAND -02-E: 434 – 3
    0145 CLEVELAND -02-H: 571 – 3
    0150 CLEVELAND -02-M: 503 – 4
    0151 CLEVELAND -02-N: 601 – 3
    0152 CLEVELAND -02-O: 621 – 3
    0156 CLEVELAND -02-S: 471 – 4
    0157 CLEVELAND -03-A: 489 – 3
    0184 CLEVELAND -04-D: 576 – 3
    0186 CLEVELAND -04-F: 572 – 3
    0189 CLEVELAND -04-I: 503 – 3
    0191 CLEVELAND -04-K: 508 – 4
    0193 CLEVELAND -04-M: 497 – 4
    0195 CLEVELAND -04-O: 599 – 3
    0196 CLEVELAND -04-P: 443 – 3
    0199 CLEVELAND -04-S: 686 – 5
    0203 CLEVELAND -05-D: 569 – 4
    0207 CLEVELAND -05-H: 341 – 3
    0210 CLEVELAND -05-K: 427 – 3
    0212 CLEVELAND -05-M: 340 – 3
    0216 CLEVELAND -05-Q: 461 – 4
    0218 CLEVELAND -05-S: 515 – 5
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    0223 CLEVELAND -06-C: 462 – 4
    0227 CLEVELAND -06-G: 401 – 3
    0230 CLEVELAND -06-J: 475 – 4
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    0271 CLEVELAND -08-H: 552 – 4
    0275 CLEVELAND -08-L: 499 – 3
    0282 CLEVELAND -08-S: 517 – 4
    0292 CLEVELAND -09-I: 423 – 4
    0294 CLEVELAND -09-K: 445 – 4
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    0320 CLEVELAND -10-T: 654 – 5
    0510 EAST CLEVELAND -02-B: 401 – 4
    0518 EAST CLEVELAND -03-D: 374 – 3
    0520 EAST CLEVELAND -03-F: 457 – 3
    0521 EAST CLEVELAND -04-A: 453 – 4
    1045 WARRENSVILLE HTS -04-B: 598 – 4
    1049 WARRENSVILLE HTS -06-B: 480 – 4

  64. Dave Hicks | November 12, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    A sign of the times: http://tinyurl.com/a8dnepg

    **
    People ‘unliking’ Romney on Facebook

    By Heather Kelly, CNN

    updated 5:23 PM EST, Mon November 12, 2012

    (CNN) — Nobody “likes” a loser.

    If losing the presidential election wasn’t enough, Mitt Romney has been hemorrhaging Facebook friends.

    People began unliking Romney’s official Facebook page soon after the election results came in last week. The Washington Post noticed the drop on Friday, when the GOP presidential candidate’s page was losing 593 likes an hour.

    By Saturday, Mashable said the exodus was up to 847 friends an hour, and as of Monday morning, Romney’s Facebook page continued to lose around 11 likes every minute.

    SNIP
    **

  65. Shrillary | November 12, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Post @66 Comment by Suzie — November 12, 2012 @ 6:13 pm

    Screed: A long monotonous speech or piece of writing. A diatribe.
    Yep, that fits.

  66. gdad | November 12, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    #66 Well, if all of that was due to massive fraud, no doubt the Repubs will turn up the evidence, right?

    What was that you said? Most of those precincts had similar results in 2008 and nobody turned up any fraud? Imagine that.

  67. Frank | November 12, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    petraeus is an example of a married person gone wrong, and he appropriately resigned, given his potential risk to compromising national security, and his breach of honorable protocol.

    contrast petraeus with bubba clinton, who also is an example of a married person gone wrong, who was in an even higher postion and posed an even greater potential to be compromised in matters of national security (along with a bunch of other matters petraeus isn’t…). and you can forget protocol, mind you…it’s all about bill.

    now, all the libs on ol’ dano’s blog (except sandi), including ol’ dano himself, worship and adore ol’ bill. i bet they would lick bubba’s boots, or better yet the feet which wore them. obuma even sent bubba out to tell the populace that “Romney lies”!

    go figure.

  68. dave | November 12, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    OMG. I never realized there were that many smart people in Cleveland. I now have a great newfound respect for at least some of thje people of that city! And to think, not a damn one of them has signed a spurious petition to secede from the union!@

  69. Dan Casey | November 12, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Good old Frank, rehashing a 15-year-old you-know-what. He can’t get it off his mind.

    Here’s what he posted on Nov. 4, before the election:

    “Now, for the task at hand. I’m feeling pretty up-beat about Tuesday’s election, particularly after watching axelrod squirm on FOX today. If he felt confident, he sure didn’t reflect it. I think he was tryin’ to play the old game of…, “I’m gonna fake you out”…and he then went and lost track of where he was!”

    He is quite the election analyst, ya gotta say.

  70. Dave Hicks | November 12, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    Interesting read on allegedly “the deadliest artifact in the history of human civilization”, that killed about 100m people in the 20th Century, according to Robert Proctor of Stanford University.

    http://tinyurl.com/aejp8yw

  71. Suzie | November 12, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Well, if all of that was due to massive fraud, no doubt the Repubs will turn up the evidence, right?

    Yes or no, Gdad. Do you think the sixteen precincts above showing 0bama winning a combined 6000 to 0 were legit?

    Let’s hear it. Yes or no.

  72. Sandi Saunders | November 12, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Yeah Suzie, you was robbed. Apparently that Romney investment in Ohio voting machines just did not pay off.

  73. Dan Casey | November 12, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    I’m with dave. Apparently, there are just a lot of smart, see-through-the-smokescreen voters in Cleveland and Philly.

    Rwers get so jealous when they get shown up on intellect. It’s not hard to do at all, you know.

  74. Ron May | November 12, 2012 at 9:37 pm
  75. Frank | November 12, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    hey dano,

    methinks you’d pay more than anyone else would for bubba’s boots…

  76. Ron May | November 12, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Dave Hicks,

    No doubt James Buchanan Duke was largely responsible for the development of the 20th century cigarette business. He was also responsible for the development of Duke Power Company & bringing electricity to most of North & South Carolina.

    His estate, when he died in the 1920s, was divided into thirds. One third to his only daughter Doris Duke. One third to Trinity College which became Duke University. One third to the Duke Endowment headquartered in Charlotte, NC. Each third is worth several billion dollars today.

    If you get the chance read a book titled “The Dukes of Durham.” It was written by a professor from Duke University and is, as you might expect, a favorable view. Nonetheless, it provides insights into the development of American Tobacco Company and Duke Energy.

  77. John Wilburn | November 12, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Dan:

    “Apparently, there are just a lot of smart, see-through-the-smokescreen voters in Cleveland and Philly.”

    Two words: FREE STUFF

  78. John Wilburn | November 12, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Suzie:

    “Yes or no, Gdad. Do you think the sixteen precincts above showing 0bama winning a combined 6000 to 0 were legit?”

    I’ll say yes, they were. A 100% black district with a relatively small sample size would have a reasonable likelyhood of going 100% Obama.

    I don’t agree with the follow-the-herd mentality that likely contributed to the 100% voting, but do accept that it actually happened; why can’t you?

  79. Nosaj | November 12, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Shrilary, couldn’t agree with you more re: the DNA case. Great analysis!

    Scott Whitaker, what a fabulous link!

  80. Sandi Saunders | November 12, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    I think you are lucky it was not more than sixteen precincts showing Obama winning by a lot to nothing in the Cleveland area. Ohio is second only to Michigan in auto industry and related jobs. Romney was never going to win Ohio. Would you feel better if he lost by 10 votes? What is the difference? Lost is lost. Just ask Al Gore.

  81. Suzie | November 12, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Since Granddad is afraid to answer, I’ll ask the question of all leftwingers in the blog. Straight up yes or no: Do you believe the results of the sixteen precincts in Cuyahoga that have Romney getting zero votes are legit?

    Any answer other than a direct “yes” will be taken as a “no”. In other words, no evasion, parsing, or misdirection. It’s a yes or no.

    I can confidently go to bed knowing that not one of you spineless leftwing turds will answer this question directly. You’ll be cowards like Granddad.

    Bock. Bock.

  82. John Wilburn | November 12, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Suzie:

    “Any answer other than a direct “yes” will be taken as a “no”. In other words, no evasion, parsing, or misdirection. It’s a yes or no.”

    This is coming from the person who NEVER would answer whether or not Jesus was white, what keeps one out of heaven and would she be going, and if she believed in the story of Noah’s Ark.

    There is no reason to answer her; she hasn’t earned it.

  83. Sandi Saunders | November 12, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Yes.

  84. gdad | November 12, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    #84 IOW, I nailed suzie’s trolling butt to the wall yet again so she has to make up something else.

    “I can confidently go to bed knowing that not one of you spineless leftwing turds will answer this question directly.”

    BTW, you lose again. John W answered directly. And while John W certainly doesn’t consider himself a liberal, you have said you consider him one.

  85. Cold n P | November 12, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Don’t feed the nasty virus please. It is almost dead and gone.

  86. Dave Hicks | November 12, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Re: Comment by Ron May — November 12, 2012 @ 9:59 pm

    Yup.

    Knew some of those details but haven’t read the book. Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll add it to the list.

    Also, I have a hard time believing that the true select fire Kalashnikov (of which there are a estimated 100 million still in circulation) did not kill more. Ditto the direct line of development from Nobel. That is why I put “allegedly” in my comment.

    Just thought it was an interesting read.

  87. Steve C | November 12, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    #70 & #78,

    Frank, is that you, Frank?

    Hey, buddy, I think there might be something wrong with your old Tandy 486; See, I’ve been trying to tag you for a couple days but you don’t seem to be able to read my emails. Must be a technical issue on your end because all my posts are showing up unless my eyes are lying.

    Anywho, I know you got the red-ass because of the whole “hook, line and sinker” bit and how it turned out with me sayin’ I was gonna’ be metaphorically beating you like a red headed step child and all, but if you were able to see any of my posts I think you’d have to agree that I’ve only just been mildly dope slapping you around a little bit. Heck, I’ve hardly even left any virtual welts or bruises so if anything I think I’ve been a pretty benevolent overlord considering how much out of your way you went to beg for the whippings.

    Frank, I’m just trying to make amends and let bygones be bygones. Even though you screwed up, it’s the Holiday season and in the spirit of the birth of baby Jesus and everything I’m trying to reach out so we can put this unfortunate event behind us. Hey, man, all I’m trying to do is just buy you one of those cool cheddar(bomb) head hats for Christmas to sort of extend an olive branch of sorts out to you. I mean, the elections are over and just like I predicted, all your hopes and dreams are soaring just like the Hindenburg. Hell, Man, I ought to buy you a nice little trinket just to take your mind off all the inflammation and swelling that’s got to be driving you nuts.

    I did just saw that you posted on this thread earlier so I figure you must at least have limited connectivity, Frank. I truly hope service has been 100% restored and that my generous peace offering finds you in good health and spirits. If this is the case, please reply and maybe let me know where and how I can get this wonderful parting gift to you as my special way of saying thank you for playing.

    Get back to me asap so I can wrap up my shopping, okay? Happy Holidays!

  88. Sandi Saunders | November 12, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    In 2008, McCain got zero votes in 57 Philadelphia voting divisions. That was a big increase from 2004, when George W. Bush was blanked in just five divisions.

    As the first African American president, Obama held immense appeal to black voters, but skin color is only part of the story, said Mark Sawyer, a political science professor at UCLA.

    Previous Republican candidates, including Richard Nixon and Jack Kemp, supported affirmative action and urban development, but their party has abandoned those stances, Sawyer said.

    Romney’s comments, including talking about people who want “more free stuff from the government” after a visit to the NAACP, only further distanced African Americans who felt the comments played to stereotypes about welfare, Sawyer said.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20121112_In_59_Philadelphia_voting_wards__Mitt_Romney_got_zero_votes.html

  89. Dave Hicks | November 12, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    Re: Comment by John Wilburn — November 12, 2012 @ 11:06 pm

    Yup.

    But, just to prove that old Die große Lüge loses yet again and FWIIW Yes, I think they are legit — albeit I’m not a left-winger by any stretch of imagination.

    BTW, who was it said that only the losers blame the officiating.

    .

    :-)

    .

    Now Suzie, do you admit that you are wrong in yet another of your predictions — namely that no one would answer you? Any answer other than a direct acknowledgement that you were wrong will be taken as a “Yes, you were wrong, yet again”. In other words, no evasion, parsing, or misdirection.

    .

    :-)

    .

  90. John Wilburn | November 12, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    This was posted yesterday, but buried on the old Darwin thread from a couple of years ago. Anyone besides Dan want to weigh in?:

    451.”How would Charles Darwin critique the works of Steven Jay Gould vs. Arthur Jensen? A question for you Mr. Casey: Do you lose your job if you hold Gould to the same standard that you hold Darwin? Or, do you only like Darwin as long as he makes religion look silly?

    Darwin would not believe in both evolution and racial equality.

    Comment by Face It — November 11, 2012 @ 11:27 am

    452.
    *Two Questions for you…

    Comment by Face It — November 11, 2012 @ 11:43 am”

  91. Contrasuzie | November 13, 2012 at 12:10 am

    Yep. I believe those election results Screwzie is referring to are 100% legitimate. (See what I did there? LOL!)

    Here’s the thing: If we liberals were able to cheat so well that the cons and their megaphones such as Faux News and Rush Limpballs couldn’t prevent it, couldn’t stop it when it was happening, and have no post-election proof that it did happen, well, hell, they’re just too damn dumb to vote anyway and shouldn’t be allowed to.

  92. Contrasuzie | November 13, 2012 at 1:29 am

    “I can confidently go to bed knowing that not one of you spineless leftwing turds will answer this question directly. You’ll be cowards like Granddad.

    Bock. Bock.”

    Now that several of us have answered Screwzie directly, I can go to bed confidently knowing* that one of Screwzie’s first posts of the day will be an immature ‘I KNEW I could get you morons to answer me’, or some such childish BS.

    Nyah! Nyah! Neener! Neener! Boo! Boo!

    *reads better than Screwzie’s clumsy phrasing.

  93. John Wilburn | November 13, 2012 at 1:44 am

    gdad:

    “And while John W certainly doesn’t consider himself a liberal, you have said you consider him one.”

    To be exact: Suzie, in her unsophistocated, linear political thinking, assumed I was a right-winger when I first showed up here just because I am pro-gun. Then, when I didn’t toe her fundie-standard line, she said I was a “left wing poster fraud”.

    Contrasuzie:

    94.”Yep. I believe those election results Screwzie is referring to are 100% legitimate.”

    As legitimate as legitimate rape.

  94. Contrasuzie | November 13, 2012 at 1:45 am

    Watching Jon Stewart interview Mike Huckabee, I can’t help but notice his unfortunate weight gain and I wonder: Given Screwzie’s hatred for the obese poor, is it okay in Screwzie’s world to be fat as long as you’re rich?

  95. Steve C | November 13, 2012 at 7:12 am

    Just asking; did any other conservatives get “tingles down your spine” at the thought of a republican sweep this November like Santorum did?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2012/10/18/rick-santorum-with-tingles-down-my-spine-can-smell-a-gop-sweep/

  96. Debbie | November 13, 2012 at 7:43 am

    #88 I have no plans to, Cold.

  97. Dan Radmacher | November 13, 2012 at 8:02 am

    Suz has gone all-in with the black helicopter crowd, apparently. She’s getting her information from here, I presume. They write:

    However, there are more than 100 precincts in Cuyahoga County where the voting results can only be described as truly bizarre. Yes, we always knew that urban areas would lean very heavily toward Obama, but are we actually expected to believe that Obama got over 99% of the votes in those areas? In more than 50 different precincts, Romney received 2 votes or less.

    But is that all that unusual? A very little bit of poking around took me to Cuyahoga County’s Board of Election site and the 2008 returns. As was the case this year, Obama crushed in the county, getting nearly 70 percent of the vote. This year, Romney got just over 30 percent. In 2008, McCain got barely under 30 percent.

    So, how many “truly bizarre” results came out of the precincts in 2008? Well, McCain got 2 or fewer votes in 87 precincts. He was in the single-digits in 225 precincts. Obama got 99 percent of the vote in 102 precincts.

    By the way, Kerry took two-thirds of the vote in 2004. This is just a heavily Democratic county. Undoubtedly, if you went to a county that went 70 percent for Romney, you’d find just as many precincts that went 99 percent his way, and I doubt that Suzie would be crying vote fraud about it.

    So, to sum up, just another looney conspiracy theory, with no facts to back it up. Cuyahoga County’s votes in 2012 were similar to what they were in 2008.

    If it wasn’t so entertaining, the right-wing post-election melt-down would be just be sad.

  98. matt | November 13, 2012 at 8:41 am

    “I did just saw that you posted on this thread earlier…” – Alcoholic Steven

    Erudite, indeed.

  99. Sandi Saunders | November 13, 2012 at 9:08 am

    The Suzie’s of the world can not accept that FAUX and FlimFlambaugh do not penetrate in heavily democratic and minority precincts. She cannot fathom it so there must be cheating going on somewhere. Urban voters are really different and often much closer in their views in any given area. The TP/R Party has given minorities (especially the ones you disparage with every chance Archie Bunker), no reason at all to vote for them, none. If you believe differently Suzie’s of the world, name one good reason a minority would have to vote for your party? There is nothing you offer that Dems do not. That is the bottom line. Are you dumb enough to think they cannot hear you and your hate?

    We have all voted for the white guy for so long, some took it for granted. Why on earth would it be unreasonable for a minority laden precinct to vote totally for Obama? BTW, conservatives of the Libertarian persuasion are saying they either stayed home or voted third party. You lost because you deserved to.

  100. Mike Scott | November 13, 2012 at 9:12 am

    John@93

    I saw that too and responded to it on a thread yesterday. I don’t know why Face It thinks many people are familiar with Gould or Jensen and without some clarification on this vague question, it’s hard to guess or see where Face It is coming from.

  101. Dan Casey | November 13, 2012 at 9:20 am

    “Given Screwzie’s hatred for the obese poor, is it okay in Screwzie’s world to be fat as long as you’re rich?”

    Absolutely. She’s written here that she thinks Rush Limbaugh is just about the sexiest man alive.

  102. gdad | November 13, 2012 at 9:32 am

    #96 Thanks for clarifying that, John W.

  103. Contrasuzie | November 13, 2012 at 9:40 am

    “Absolutely. She’s written here that she thinks Rush Limbaugh is just about the sexiest man alive.”

    Not to mention greater than the Pope and equal to Jesus Christ.

  104. Frank | November 13, 2012 at 9:40 am

    hey, it’s limburger steve. you are a hoot! …and a smelly one to boot!

  105. Sandi Saunders | November 13, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Yeah, that sure let’s Chris Christie out too, not only is he fat, he has the cooties from touching and working with that Obama. Wonder if she has a crush on Shelly Adelson too?

  106. Kristen | November 13, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Except for a couple of days after the first debate, Romney was never ever leading in the polls. If anything, it seems that the supposed “tie” the polls reported for a while was engineered to maintain campaign donations, when in reality Obama was always comfortably ahead. What’s all the shock about?

    Huckabee got really skinny for a while…is he gaining it back?

    “We have all voted for the white guy for so long, some took it for granted”

    No kidding. There’s all sorts of hue and cry (for you, pammy!) over “some people only voting for Obama because he’s black” with no mention of the obvious fact that no one has had a CHOICE before. We were all compelled to vote for nothing but white guys, for over 200 years. But that, somehow, is AOK. Such bizarre thinking.

  107. dobbs | November 13, 2012 at 10:57 am

    To suzie’s question:

    Yes.

  108. Saintbridge | November 13, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Romney lost. Badly. He lost women, Hispanics, blacks, browns, Asians and just about everybody who wasn’t a white male. Pretty sure he swept the 1%, though, so that’s something.

    Get the flock over it.

    The Republican message fell flat: rape is only rape if we say so; get government out of everything except women’s vaginas; cut taxes and ignore the deficit; magically balance the budget with secret fairy dust; let Wall St. run wild; demonize those who receive Medicare, Social Security, veterans benefits, the poor, the unemployed and anyone else needing help in these very tough economic times. (Not that Repubs had ANYTHING to do w/ putting us in this position.)

    IT was an awful message carried by the worst possible messenger and sold to the desperate folks who can’t stand a black man as president.

    Rationalize this disaster at your own peril, but the fact remains the GOP message was/is not what the country wants.

  109. Sandi Saunders | November 13, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Well said Saintbridge!

  110. Kristen | November 13, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    No kidding, Saintbridge…I don’t understand the need to concoct some elaborate plot to explain Romney’s loss. It wasn’t surprising. He was a bad candidate.

  111. Justin True | November 13, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    John W. #93,

    I think he is trying to say that Darwin was racist, and he thought that that black people were inferior to the white race intellectually and physically. Which is like comparing, Galileo, to Edwin Hubble. They are both great minds in the same fields, but they are from different areas of the spectrum in their fields. To think that one would agree with a fact that had not been found yet is crazy to say the least.

    Darwin lived in a time when slavery was still legal, much of the world still had never seen an African, much less know how to place them in our world of knowledge. Darwin thought Africans, or as he refers to them in, “Decent of Man”, Negroes, were a sub species of homo-sapien. Science really did not know what any other human besides “white people” were. In my opinion, to look down on Darwin for making a distinction between races, and speaking about his observations as a derogatory finding is ignorant.

    “We will first consider the arguments which may be advanced in favour
    of classing the races of man as distinct species, and then the
    arguments on the other side. If a naturalist, who had never before
    seen a Negro, Hottentot, Australian, or Mongolian, were to compare
    them, he would at once perceive that they differed in a multitude of
    characters, some of slight and some of considerable importance.”
    -Darwin,
    Decent of Man, 1871

    This statement is only the beginning of what Darwin says about other races, 142 years before, Arthur Jensen, made his ignorant statement.

    Stephen Jay Gould, and Charles Darwin are two people that help the education of our species work through our natural issues. They, by themselves don’t make religion look silly at all. People like, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Mitt Romney, and Suzie, make religion look silly.

  112. Dave Hicks | November 13, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Well it has been better than 12 hours since my question yesterday @ 11:44 pm, “Now Suzie, do you admit that you are wrong in yet another of your predictions — namely that no one would answer you? Any answer other than a direct acknowledgement that you were wrong will be taken as a “Yes, you were wrong, yet again”. In other words, no evasion, parsing, or misdirection.”

    During that time a number of us have answered her question — proving that she was wrong in another of her prediction — when she said, “I can confidently go to bed knowing that not one of you … will answer this question directly. You’ll be cowards…. [emphasis added]”

    Her evasion confirm, for all to see, that she is acknowledging she was wrong (under the same sort of rules that she wanted to play by).

    So it appears the she bock, bocked, herself.

    In her case, I suspect that Bobby Burns’ use of the term* is more appropriate that the more typical WEB reference to a chicken.

    * FYI: (Bock, Bocked) To vomit, to gush intermittently, gushed – http://www.litscape.com/author/Robert_Burns/Robert_Burns_Glossary…

  113. John Wilburn | November 13, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Justin True:

    “I think he is trying to say that Darwin was racist”

    Actually, considering the name “Face it”, I think he was using Darwin to defend his own racism. Yeah, I’m taking the bait on what was otherwise a buried comment, but I have always appreciated evolutionary study and the work of Darwin in a way that the Bible bangers refuse to.

    “People like, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Mitt Romney, and Suzie, make religion look silly.”

    Roger that!

  114. dave | November 13, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    SteveC@ 7:12 AM

    Nope. But I did throw up in my mouth a little!

    :)

  115. Steve C | November 13, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Oh, wow; Frank got me with the limburgur cheese comment. How will I ever overcome this epic smackdown? I just don’t know if my creative wit can raise to the occasion.

  116. Justin True | November 13, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    John W.

    I think it is rather weird when folks refer to Darwin as racist when racist really wasn’t even a term in his day. Or to use evolution as a way to affirm your thoughts that the color of your skin will somehow makes you better than someone else…

    On a lighter note. I went to a lecture at Roanoke College called, “The Righteous Gentiles and the Holocaust: Genocide and Moral Obligation
    The lecture was given by, David Gushee. It was the first time I had ever heard a Christian with an actual education claim that the holocaust was Christians fault… not an Atheists! Finally! And no one tried to blame Darwin for the theory of eugenics! Our education system may prevail after all!

  117. Suzie | November 13, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    OK, I see a few people fell into the trap. A “yes” answer to the question “Do you believe 0bama won 16 precincts by a total of 6000 votes to zero means you so unspeakably stupid, and you shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a voting booth.

    I see Sandi, Dobbs, Rad, and Dave H have all admitted they are as dumb as rocks. Rad says “Yes, it must be legit since 0bama pulled it off in 2008 as well”. Sure, so they cheated one year, therefore it must be legit after that. Minds like that get employed by the RT.

    Though Granddad piped up, I notice he didn’t join in with the brain-dead crowd who said “yes” unless he did it through his droid “Contra”.

    And notice Dan C. was afraid to respond. So he apparently know damn well 0bama cheated. And we know if Democrats cheated in one large city, they cheated in ALL of them.

    Looks like Suzie was right. Romney was the rightful winnner.

  118. Dan Casey | November 13, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    “And notice Dan C. was afraid to respond. So he apparently know damn well 0bama cheated.”

    Nope. Bored . . . again, by the whackjob who repeatedly predicted a Romney landslide.

    Suze, you’re a dope. But you won’t believe that, of course. So when you and hub fire all those no-account employees on the company dole, who fail to genuflect and lick your toes and whatnot, call me. I’ve gotta bridge for sale — it’s a GREAT deal!

  119. Suzie | November 13, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Here’s another tidbit for the brain dead morons who say the Democrats didn’t cheat. Last Tuesday in Illinois, 0bama” won” in 38 precincts without a Romney vote, and in Philadelphia, 0bama supposedly shut Romney out in 59 precincts. That’s 19,620 to zero. Yah, sure.

    Now let’s imagine these results were legit for a second: One would expect the third-largest city in America, Chicago, which is in 0bama’s home state, and where he is presumably beloved and needs no cheating help, would have given him more than 37 shutouts. Especially in comparison with a smaller city in a battleground state, Philadelphia, where he got 59.

    The answer, of course, was he needed more cooked-up votes to assure a victory in toss-up Pennsylvania. The Democrats have a long and tawdry history of election fraud And true to the Alinsky model, Dan and the liberals push the notion that Republicans cheat. This, as we know, is designed as a diversionary tactic.

    It is also abundantly apparent why Democrats want early voting and NO voter ID They HAVE to be able to cheat in order to win elections. They can NEVER win on the strength of their ideas.

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/In-37-Chicago-Precincts-Romney-Received-No-Votes-179135891.html
    http://articles.philly.com/2012-11-12/news/35069785_1_romney-supporters-mitt-romney-sasha-issenberg

  120. Sandi Saunders | November 13, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Or, it could be that it “means you so unspeakably stupid” that you are still believing the right wing hype that led you wrong before the election. Clearly we know which it is. You see Romney through your eyes, those folks did not.

  121. Dan Radmacher | November 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    You know, Suze, if Obama could pull this off four years ago, and Republicans are just now noticing it and did nothing to prevent it from happening again, then they are the ones who are too stupid to be trusted with power.

    Recent Republican candidates haven’t been popular enough to get 99 percent in many precincts, but I bet if you go back to Clinton or Reagan, you could find the exact same thing. Precincts aren’t all that big. Some of the 100 precincts you’re all hot and bothered about had fewer than 10 votes. None of them had more than 1,000.

    Face it: Obama won. Romney lost. And the nation will be better for it.

    Now just go away.

  122. joe | November 13, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Suzie…
    Do you actually think for a moment
    that even in a very small precinct that
    if someone actually rigged the vote they
    would want it to go 100 percent?
    We know black America voted overwhelmingly
    Obama (over 90 percent)
    Dont you think that at a precinct thats say 85 percent
    black in numbers that maybe many Republicans may not be
    that excited about voting?
    Im a democrat in hopeless Texas and many times ive
    felt that way about staying at home. But my conscience got
    the best of me. Even though I knew Texas was redder than China
    I voted early. I revel in the fact that my singular vote at least
    boosted by a grain of sand the 3 million popular vote advantage Obama received.
    Had you not left yourself so blatently wide open for scorn this wouldnt be so psychologically painful for you. Your best salve is what you yourself said you would do. Take a break..and get some perspective. Spare us the trite, bitter invective.

  123. Steve C | November 13, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Look, Frank, I realize no good deed goes unpunished with you and the DMatt but for crying out loud I’m only trying to make nice with you two so we can put this whole “Hook, line and sinker” debacle behind us and move on. Can you just grant me this one small request and allow me to buy you two some idiotic cheddar head hats? Look, just because YOU screwed up and doubled down on Wisconsin, it doesn’t mean I should have to spend eternity mocking you for your imbecilic behavior. It’s your mistake and I shouldn’t have to go day to day reminding you how foolish you were every time you open your careless yap and drone on about some other tragic miscalculation you claim is going to derail the course of history. Sorry, man; as much is I enjoy mocking conservatives you just screw up far too much for me to keep wearing out my right hook feeding you biscuits like I’m working at Hardee’s.

    Please, Frank, just say you’re sorry and let me buy you and DMatt the damn Cheddar head hats so I just move on. It’s been a week already and I’m tired of reminding you how foolish you are.

  124. Shrillary | November 13, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    For the voter-fraud conspiracy theorists pushing the meme that it is “suspicious” that Romney got few or no votes in certain areas of Roanoke…and to demonstrate that sometimes, in some places, NO ONE wanted to cast a ballot for Mittens in 2012 nor McCain in 2008. here are some actual FACTS :

    “It’s one thing for a Democratic presidential candidate to dominate a Democratic city like Philadelphia, but check out this head-spinning figure: In 59 voting divisions in the city, Mitt Romney received not one vote. Zero. Zilch.
    These are the kind of numbers that send Republicans into paroxysms of voter-fraud angst, but such results may not be so startling after all.

    Many parts of Philadelphia and other big cities simply lack Republican voters, [,,,] In 2008, McCain got zero votes in 57 Philadelphia voting divisions. That was a big increase from 2004, when George W. Bush was blanked in just five divisions.”

    articles.philly.com/2012-11-12/news/35069785_1_romney-supporters-mitt-romney-sasha-issenberg/3

  125. Sandi Saunders | November 13, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Suzie, we get it that you don’t. Insults float right over your self deluded head, but a lot of what folks like you and your candidate say, gets heard…

    Previous Republican candidates, including Richard Nixon and Jack Kemp, supported affirmative action and urban development, but their party has abandoned those stances, Sawyer said.

    Romney’s comments, including talking about people who want “more free stuff from the government” after a visit to the NAACP, only further distanced African Americans who felt the comments played to stereotypes about welfare, Sawyer said.

    http://articles.philly.com/2012-11-12/news/35069785_1_romney-supporters-mitt-romney-sasha-issenberg/3

    It must be hard when people you have such disdain for understand things you are oblivious to.

  126. Dan Casey | November 13, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    “Look, Frank, I realize no good deed goes unpunished with you and the DMatt but for crying out loud I’m only trying to make nice with you two so we can put this whole “Hook, line and sinker” debacle behind us and move on. Can you just grant me this one small request and allow me to buy you two some idiotic cheddar head hats?”

    Frank, Steve C is offering you something. And he can afford it — he has a bigtime management job (that’s not in the restaurant or retail industry).

    Take him up on his offer, man. He wants to buy you and matt a Christmas present, for goodness sakes. You could donate it to charity and the world would be a little bit better place. . .

  127. matt | November 13, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    “I just don’t know if my creative wit can raise to the occasion.” – Alcoholic Steven

    Yeah, Alcoholic Steven, your initial feeling was right. After reading your last post, it’s obvious that your creative wit certainly failed to “raise” to the occasion. Good try, though.

    That’s twice today, old man. Too much booze. So sad.

  128. Contrasuzie | November 13, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    “Contrasuzie says:

    Now that several of us have answered Screwzie directly, I can go to bed confidently knowing* that one of Screwzie’s first posts of the day will be an immature ‘I KNEW I could get you morons to answer me’, or some such childish BS.

    Posted on November 13th, 2012 @ 1:29 am
    ———-
    “OK, I see a few people fell into the trap. A “yes” answer to the question “Do you believe 0bama won 16 precincts by a total of 6000 votes to zero means you so unspeakably stupid, and you shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a voting booth.

    Comment by Suzie — November 13, 2012 @ 6:31 pm
    ———-
    Boy Howdee! That one was easy to call!
    LMAOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

  129. Suzie | November 13, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    @111
    Note that in Saintbridge’s long howling protest, he never once says he believes the Cuyahoga County returns show Romney with no votes in 16 districts.

    ———–

    Suzie…
    Do you actually think for a moment
    that even in a very small precinct that
    if someone actually rigged the vote they
    would want it to go 100 percent?

    Joe, these aren’t small precincts and there’s a lot more than one. There are multitudes of them in large cities of states that went for 0bama You see the numbers I posted. Your side cheated its ass off, and everybody here knows it.

  130. gdad | November 13, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    suzie has embarrassed herself so much now that all she can do is blabber for a minute and then disappear again. Thank goodness.

    And all that mattie can do is continue to repeat the completely untrue claim that Steve C drinks too much. What a doofus.

  131. Dan Casey | November 13, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Does no one else take relish in the notion that “Romney’s-gonna-win-in-a-landslide” Suze is now so desperately scouring the internet for “information” that she has landed at Infowars.com? If new orgs were institutions of higher ed, they would be the University of Phoenix — and by comparison, Fox News would be Harvard, Yale and Princeton combined. WorldNetDaily, which is run by a cabal of paranoid schizophrenics, appears sane compared to Infowars.

    But . . . it’s a perfect place for a welcher who vowed Romney would win in a landslide.

  132. John Wilburn | November 13, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Contra, I like the new Avatar!

  133. Dave Hicks | November 13, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    I see that Suzie fell into the trap of admitting and confirm that she is acknowledging she was wrong, yet again (under the same sort of rules that she wanted to play by).

  134. Art Hill | November 13, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    It’s hard not watching a train wreck, but…

  135. Art Hill | November 14, 2012 at 12:15 am
  136. dave | November 14, 2012 at 1:25 am

    The real voter fraud is going on in Arizona where the election officials are tryting tod deal with over 300000 uncountd provisional ballots which ere created when the corrupt Republican registrars failed to record the legitimate registrations of hundreds of thousands of voters, mostly in ltino dominated communities. This is their attempt to steal the senate seat in Arizzona through voter suppression techniques.

  137. Kristen | November 14, 2012 at 7:49 am

    SuzieQ , again, google the definition of “scarce”. Or else stop teasing us.

  138. Frank | November 14, 2012 at 9:49 am

    hey dano,

    …no need for you to puff up ol’ limburger-steve’s resume….he actually does pretty good presenting himself for what he is.

    hey, I think this is great…seems like ol’ limburger-steve can’t make it through even a couple of hour of life without thinking of me and seeking self-proclaimed vengence….and now he’s got ol’ dano egging him along!

    Yes, Virginia, there IS a Santa Claus!

  139. Suzie | November 14, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    I bet if you go back to Clinton or Reagan, you could find the exact same thing. Precincts aren’t all that big. Some of the 100 precincts you’re all hot and bothered about had fewer than 10 votes. None of them had more than 1,000.

    Find the examples of zip it, Rad. Nobody cares about what you ‘think’. The 59 precincts in Philly in which Romney got no votes totalled 19,620 for 0bama. That’s over 330 per precinct.

    Your side cheated, Rad. I can’t help if you’re too stupid and gullible to believe it. But there’s no way you should have ever gotten close to a position in a mid-sized newspaper if you’re that naive.

  140. Suzie | November 14, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Does no one else take relish in the notion that “Romney’s-gonna-win-in-a-landslide” Suze is now so desperately scouring the internet for “information” that she has landed at Infowars.com? If new orgs were institutions of higher ed, they would be the University of Phoenix — and by comparison, Fox News would be Harvard, Yale and Princeton combined. WorldNetDaily, which is run by a cabal of paranoid schizophrenics, appears sane compared to Infowars.

    Annnnnd….notice Dan STILL hasn’t thrown in with the loonies who say the 59 Philly precincts were legit. He just hates when Suziegirl ridicules him, so that’s why he won’t go there.

  141. Suzie | November 15, 2012 at 7:20 am

    You know, Suze, if Obama could pull this off four years ago, and Republicans are just now noticing it and did nothing to prevent it from happening again, then they are the ones who are too stupid to be trusted with power.

    Rad,
    We have taken measures like photo ID to stop the cheating, and as your know, your side bucked them at every turn. Photo ID is very effective for curbing at least some fraud. That’s why Democrats oppose it.

    In fact, in states where photo ID was enacted, the irregularities were smaller than where they weren’t. Pennsylania, as we know didn’t pass the law.

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