The Roanoke Tea Party needs YOUR input on Dec. 6!
Grafit by Dan | Notice the right tilt
I’m (so far still) on the emailing list for the Roanoke Tea Party. God bless them. And here’s an urgent email they just sent out, from President Chip Tarbutton, one of many who got snookered by the polls-are-biased-in-favor-of-Obama scam.
Here it is:
I have been inundated with questions and concerns. What are we going to do? Is their any hope left? First of all everyone needs to take a big deep breath. There are things we can do and we have a plan for this. But we need to approach this in an organized and smart way.
We are planning on doing some paid advertising for our December meeting. This is a critical moment. We HAVE A PLAN AND WE NEED A LOT OF HELP. BRING EVERYONE YOU CAN TO OUR DECEMBER 6 meeting. It is at the Holiday Inn Tanglewood at 6:30 PM.
Well, golly gee whilickers I know where I’m gonna be on Dec. 6 at 6:30 p.m. Seriously. Hope to see y’all there, among those quite welcoming folks.
Dan Radmacher, are you with me?
If God has a sense of humor, somebody will show up with a Exceptionalism in Political Prognostication Award, fresh off the inkjet printer, for hizzoner Chip.
As my favorite philosopher and prophet Root Boy Slim would say, “Be there — or be nowhere!”
Dec. 6. 6:30 p.m. The Holiday Inn, Tanglewood. How fitting.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna go watch a Fellini movie on Netflix.
November 13, 2012 - 9:05 PM
Will there be tasty snacks?
Or perhaps just whine made from sour grapes?
Old blue,
Noah Tickle always shows up with a pot of beans. And there’s coffee, crackers and some other goodies. (Very sober though).
Whew! I am so glad to know that they have a plan. I was beginning to worry.
Actually, Old Blue, I hear they will be serving cocktails this go round. Instead of sour mix they’ll be fixing drinks using quite possibly the most bitter liquid known to mankind, the tears of delusional tea-baggers.
Good times, good times…Pretty sure I’ll still have leaves to rake up or hornets to groom that day. Damn shame I’ll have to miss this.
I think I’ll take my aunt, at least one of us would fit in.
Dan
I’m sure there will be plenty of crackers (pun intended )
I ouldn’t want to be anywhere near the Holiday Inn that night. I hear force 10 from the UN black helicopter brigade is going to raid the joint.
Yep, Noah always has a pot of beans. Excellent, especially if you go to the meeting straight from work. There will be plenty of crackers and a plan. There is no need for the UN helicopter raid on the RTP compound at the Holiday Inn on Dec 6th as the RTP is in full compliance with the goals of UN Agenda 21 and the 2nd term of the Messiah. Wait, UN Agenda 21 doesn’t exist and hasn’t had any influence on local governments across the US. Never mind. Beans, crackers and a plan. Enjoy!
one thing they could do would be to disband and apologize to the American people….they are so far away from the mainstream of America it is unpatriotic….and dangerous…..just look at what the whacos have done to disrupt this country already
Dan, will be bringing a pot of crow, I am sure.
Based on the outcome of the recent elections, we should all go and call for a vote of no confidence in Chip. He obviously didn’t do his job this year.
“Is their any hope left?” First off, I would suggest that he learn that their and there are not interchangeable. Then I would tell him that no, there is no hope left for their group. They’re toast.
Dan:
“Well, golly gee whilickers I know where I’m gonna be on Dec. 6 at 6:30 p.m. Seriously. Hope to see y’all there, among those quite welcoming folks.”
Hmmm….. Perhaps I’ll go too. I’ve never been to a Tea Party meeting. I and some other VCDL members did catch a ride on a bus the Tea Party chartered in January to Richmond as VCDL and other unrelated groups were lobbying there that day. They were a friendly and interesting bunch and we were glad to catch the ride. Oh, and I have met Noah Tickle! That guy is passionate and really hustles.
dave:
“I’m sure there will be plenty of crackers (pun intended )”
LOL. Good one!
I suppose in some realm the haunt internet blogs and spread your lies and delusions could be considered “a plan”.
I suggest that all Tea Party members read the attached article before the meeting. If they do, they will find out which party is really the food stamp party. Also, they will learn who the “takers” are and where they live. It’s an eye opener.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-gop-is-the-food-stamp-party/
suzie, being one of the top teabagging proponents in the area, I assume you’ll be there?
Last time I went was the January 2011 meeting. One of the things they talked about was how Agenda 21 had infected the Standards of Learning in Virginia schools.
Yes…every time we tell our kids not to throw garbage out of the car window, the UN’s Globalist Agenda takes another step forward.
When they ask if there’s any “hope”, I want to ask them…hope for what? Them? The country? I’m feeling pretty hopeful about things, personally.
Only on this blog would an organization like the TEA Party, that promotes hard work, self reliance and curbing insane government spending would be ridiculed while the pathetic, whiny and complete losers in OWS are heralded as heroes.
Your echo chamber here does reflect the conventional wisdom of modern popular culture. But the truth can often lie elsewhere.
terps, I will see you at that meeting!
Unless you have better things to do that night — like the dishes.
terps,
I don’t believe I have ever said things about Tea Party members like what you alledge above. Read the article I posted above and get an understanding where you can find folks like those you describe.
Really terps…Occupy in NY organized a huge Sandy relief effort. What did the TP do, besides spend the last week whining about getting their butts kicked.
“I’m sure there will be plenty of crackers (pun intended )”
They’ll be full of beans, too.
“Only on this blog would an organization like the TEA Party, that promotes hard work, self reliance and curbing insane government spending would be ridiculed while the pathetic, whiny and complete losers in OWS are heralded as heroes.”
I couldn’t agree more, terps. I know! After the Tea Party meeting, we should all go take over a park, attack some cops, defecate and urinate all over the place, do a bunch of illicit drugs, bang on the drums, turn the place into a landfill, and bitch and moan about our choices and problems in life being the fault of successful people. We will be embraced by liberals AND Obama. It’s a win for everybody.
“Really terps…Occupy in NY organized a huge Sandy relief effort. What did the TP do, besides spend the last week whining about getting their butts kicked.”
I heard they showed up by the thousands at Romeny rallies, which was one of the ways they fooled themselves into the certitude of a Romeny victory. At the front door of the meeting halls, the campaign handed them cans of soup at the front door, and they put it in big bins (for the cameras) once they got inside.
“Occupy in NY organized a huge Sandy relief effort.”
Yep, and their experience attacking police officers came in handy when they turned on the power company employees. Thanks OWS!
You guys leave terps along. I understand he’s been working overtime patrolling Elmwood Park.
Laura:
“They’ll be full of beans, too.”
And they were complaining about gas before the election…
I heard they showed up by the thousands at Romeny rallies, which was one of the ways they fooled themselves into the certitude of a Romeny victory. At the front door of the meeting halls, the campaign handed them cans of soup at the front door, and they put it in big bins (for the cameras) once they got inside.
I concede that the majority of the electorate will elect statist liberal presidents from here on out and that the Tea Party is foolish for thinking otherwise.
The “WAR on Poverty” replaced the family with government and the electorate consists, now , of a dependent majority. Self reliance is a foreign concept now that is lampooned rather than cherished. The dependent do not ever want to be confronted with the reality of their dependence. It is much easier to ridicule and lampoon.
“The “WAR on Poverty” replaced the family with government and the electorate consists, now , of a dependent majority. Self reliance is a foreign concept now that is lampooned rather than cherished. The dependent do not ever want to be confronted with the reality of their dependence. It is much easier to ridicule and lampoon.”
But there is NOT a “dependent” majority in this country. That’s merely another smokescreeen self-satisfied deluded RWers have talked themselves into believing — just like they talked themselves into believing Romney couldn’t lose the election. You guys, you keep this garbage up, you can look forward to losing many many more presidential and Senate elections. And one of these days, even the “safe” House districts you have so carefully gerrymandered in your favor are going to begin looking not so safe.
EVEN if you accept Romney’s number — 42 percent — large proportions of that are students and the working poor. If they DON’T pay federal income taxes, it’s because of REPUBLICAN policies that designed it so they would not have to pay income taxes, because their earnings are too low, or they get GOP child tax credits. Still, they pay FICA taxes (usually at higher effective rates than millionaires), Medicare taxes, federal gas taxes, state income taxes, sales taxes etc etc etc. The fact that the GOP effectively exempted them from paying income taxes doesn’t make them “dependent.”
Another large proportion who are “dependent” are the elderly — people like my mom and terps’ dad — who collect Social Security benefits after lifetimes of working and NOT collecting welfare, food stamps, etc.
Dan
Your right. The conservative movement, as we know it, is dead. The European style welfare state is here and it will destroy us like it is destroying Europe. The allure of getting something for free is blinding our view of the destruction of the Europe at the hands of the welfare state.
But your dream of making the rich suffer will never be realized. It is the poor and middle class who will suffer. Just take a look at England, Spain, Portugal, Italy or Greece. The rich there do not seem to be suffering but all of the saps who believed in Government are getting crushed.
It is bad enough to fall for a meme and repeat it, it is a whole other thing to keep beating it when faced with irrefutable facts. The TP/R Party is doomed. “Hoist by his own petard”. Poetic justice IMO.
And terps, no one in this great nation needs a group to tell them about hard work, self reliance, or curbing an insane government. For well over half a century, it is all we have known. Why the TP/R can espouse what they do and then support the Plutocracy is the only real mystery. Bigotry, prejudice and ignorance are the only answers that make sense.
Tell me, terps, what has the local Tea Party ever done besides go to Roanoke County BOS meetings and spout their looniness about Agenda 21? What postive things have tbey accomplished for the Roanoke Valley?
Keep digging terps. I love to watch a loon swoon.
“But your dream of making the rich suffer will never be realized. It is the poor and middle class who will suffer. Just take a look at England, Spain, Portugal, Italy or Greece. The rich there do not seem to be suffering but all of the saps who believed in Government are getting crushed.”
1) Terps has repeatedly advocated the austerity programs those countries have embarked on, necessitating the suffering of the poor and middle classes.
2) Terps says that in those countries — all of which have much higher marginal tax rates on the wealthy than the United States — the rich are doing just fine.
From this we can conclude that: A) Terps WANTS the poor and middle class to suffer and B) Terps KNOWS that if tax rates are raised on the rich, they will NOT suffer.
Y’all can make of that what you want.
terps, ask the French aristocracy about that. You seem quite smug in thinking that the age of revolutions is over, but allow the privilege of the 1% to impoverish everyone else – without government policies to soften the impact – and you’ll find out differently. Numbers don’t lie, and the 99% is a lot more people than the 1%. Even South Africa did the math eventually and avoided their own slaughter.
And the TP is returning safely to oblivion without having made any lasting impact on the country, unless we count Joe Walsh screaming “You Lie” (keep it classy, tea baggers)at our President mid- SOTU.
What I want to know is, where are all the rich going to move to? They can’t all fit on Bermuda, or the Caymans. The security issues in Mexico are well known. In Canada and every other industrialized nation on Earth they’d be taxed higher than here. I doubt that, in a fit of pique, they’d move to a higher-taxes nations simply out of anger that Obama had been re-elected.
What, are they gonna go to Russia?
“Поехали!”
Translation: “Let’s get started!”
2) ” Terps says that in those countries — all of which have much higher marginal tax rates on the wealthy than the United States — the rich are doing just fine.”
Dan
If raising taxes on the wealthy was the answer, wouldn’t Greece have a booming economy?
They have in Greece everything you want. Public sector unions with generous benefits and high taxes on the rich. But the country has been economically destroyed. And, not surprizingly, your answer is that they should spend even more money and go even deeper into debt with a bond rating far below junk status.
They cannot tax the rich anymore because any more would be complete confiscation. Why on earth are you libs pushing this future onto our kids?
“If raising taxes on the wealthy was the answer, wouldn’t Greece have a booming economy?
They have in Greece everything you want. Public sector unions with generous benefits and high taxes on the rich. But the country has been economically destroyed. And, not surprizingly, your answer is that they should spend even more money and go even deeper into debt with a bond rating far below junk status.
They cannot tax the rich anymore because any more would be complete confiscation. “
Terps, a few minutes ago you said the rich in Greece were doing fine. Now you’re saying that Greece has confiscated all their wealth.
For goodness sakes, which is it?
He is becoming apoplectic.
What I want to know is, where are all the rich going to move to?
Dan,
The rich aren’t going to move. As always, they will be just fine. The poor and middle class in America are about to be crushed. The “rich” won’t hire because all incentive to grow has been removed. The poor and middle class will be left begging for more benefits while the rich enjoy life by spending their money. The promise of prosperity through government benevolence is a hoax that is once again bringing down a great society.
Terps… comparing Greece’s economy with ours is apples and oranges. First, our population is 311 million to their 11 million. No comparison. Move on.
‘Terps, a few minutes ago you said the rich in Greece were doing fine. Now you’re saying that Greece has confiscated all their wealth.
For goodness sakes, which is it?”
Dan
Do you see the rich rioting in the streets in Greece? The point is, they cannot raise taxes any higher on the rich. Yet the poor and middle class are still rioting. Tell me where taxing the rich has solved societies ills. Is it Greece?
It is envy and revenge that motivates the left. But the rich are an elusive target. Ironically, the taxing vengence of the left always ends up hurting the poor and middle class the most.
“The “rich” won’t hire because all incentive to grow has been removed.”
I think I’m beginning to understand what terps is arguing now. It’s either one of the following:
1) If taxes are increased on the rich, the rich will be richer if they DON’T grow their businesses than they would be if they DO grow them. So they won’t hire any of us poor peons, to prevent that growth.
2) Or maybe he is saying that, “yeah, if taxes are increased on the the rich they would be richer if they DO grow, than they would be if the DON’T grow, but the rich will be so upset by their tax increases that they will retaliate against the middle-class and the poor at their own (the rich’s) expense.” So they will cut their own throats out of anger that they didn’t get their way on tax increases.
Neither of these make sense.
Here are the facts: To close the budget gap, the government can raise taxes or cut spending or do some of both.
The conservatives want to do it all through spending reductions (they have promised in writing not to increase any federal taxes on anyone). The liberals want to do it with tax increases.
If no agreement is reached, then EVERYONE’s taxes will go up, because the Bush tax cuts will automatically expire. (Note: this is the liberal solution). And, the taxes will go up more on the rich than the middle class and poor, because they were prime beneficiaries of the Bush tax cuts that are expiring.
In that case, the middle class will have less money, and because of that they’ll spend less on necessities at businesses owned by the rich. The rich will have less money, too, because of a) increased taxes and b) lowered spending by the middle class and the poor at their the rich’s businesses. So the rich are cutting their throats two ways with that.
Now, if taxes only go up on the rich, then the middle class will keep spending their businesses. And that means they will only be cutting their throats in one way. Sure they will pay more taxes, but their businesses won’t suffer a decline in income because the middle class and poor will still be spending the same amount at places owned by the rich.
Obviously, it makes sense for the rich to go with the latter. But terps is saying they won’t. Go figure.
Hum?
If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?
Dan
Again, if taxing the rich is the answer, shouldn’t Greece be an economic powerhouse. The left has a cure for all ills….taxing the rich. But nowhere in human existance has that proved to create anything but misery for everyone, especially the poor and middle class.
Justin True
Is Greece too small? OK. Substitute California. Is that big enough?
Rich people don’t hire. Jobs are created by markets. “Rich won’t hire”…ridiculous.
Yeah, the rich are likely to bust our cleaning their own houses, maintaining their own yards, cooking their own food, doing their own shopping, raising their own children, driving themselves and flying commercial any day now to keep from hiring anyone.
They will likely do their own paperwork, typing, filing, answer their own phones, operate their own machinery, fill their own orders, drive their own trucks, deliver their own goods, and be their own salesmen too. They surely do not need any workers. THEY built that.
“Rich people don’t hire. Jobs are created by markets. “Rich won’t hire”…ridiculous.”
OK Kristen. And who does the trading in the “markets”? Answer:businesses
Who owns businesses? Answer: “rich people”.
And those rich people will tell you that they hire less with higher taxes and mandates(Obamacare) in order to keep the business solvent. If you owned a business, you would understand.
Think of it like this terps. Let’s consider the three congressmen from this region, Goodlatte, Griffith, and Hurt. All of them have signed Grover Norquist’s “no tax increase” pledge.
Obama, meanwhile, has promised over and over that he’s not going to allow an extension of the Bush tax cuts for everyone. He campaigned on it.
That leaves G, G & H in this position: either they act in a way that cuts spending and increase taxes for EVERYONE, or they act in a way that cuts spending and increases taxes only the relatively wealthy.
If G, G & H believe their own rhetoric about taxes, the former is the MUCH worse option than the latter.
So what do you thing they’re going to do?
terps, “markets” in this case doesn’t mean “stock markets”, for one. For two, thanks to the demise of pensions and advent of 401ks, everyone’s invested in the market. For three, I know a few business owners and “rich” isn’t the way I’d describe all of them, and if the market for their goods or services were to dry up, they’d be far from rich.
You have a very bizarre and incorrect perception of the employment markets and how they work…jobs aren’t given out or withheld as some gesture of goodwill or punishment. At least not by successful employers.
Not one person has a job because of tax rates. Plenty of people have jobs in tax avoidance and minimization but no company hires employees based on their tax rate. That is the dumbest statement anyone can make and claim to own a business. The “demand” or need for a product or service is what decides employment. Your business does not have more employees than it needs to do the job and make a profit, that is not how it works. Not for long anyway. Tax rates are not going to change that. Employers have already found, that thanks to the hard working American labor force, they can do more with less and are reaping the benefits even as workers do not. I suppose terps is trying to fool some right wing dupes, because a business owner knows better.
The empirical evidence that our greatest periods of economic growth during the past 60 years took place when taxes on the wealthy were at their highest levels is totally lost on terps and the Repubs/TPers. The greatest expansions in the middle class, greatest growth in prosperity, and greatest creation of jobs took place in the 50′s and 60′s, during the latter part of the Reagan years when taxes were increased, and under Bill Clinton when the tax rates were substantially higher than they are now. The “trickle on” economics have not worked at any time because it is the creation of markets by giving the middle class spending power that fosters growth. And none of the so called “rich” will spend one dime of their accumulated wealth unless there is a market for their goods. So sock it away in the Caymans, hide it in Swiss accounts, ship it off to Bermuda, don’t reinvest it in your business, cut your employees income and benefits, and make it impossible for them toi buy what you’re selling. That’s the Republican solution to the economic problems. What wonderful logic that is.
“So what do you thing they’re going to do?”
Dan
I don’t know what their going to do. But it doesn’t matter. A majority in this country believes that higher taxes brings prosperity. The majority will eventually prevail and rapid decline will inevitably be the result. It is incredibly sad to watch.
terps says
don’t know what their going to do. But it doesn’t matter. A majority in this country believes that higher taxes brings prosperity. The majority will eventually prevail and rapid decline will inevitably be the result. It is incredibly sad to watch.
Comment by terps — November 14, 2012 @ 3:31 pm
Once again, historically, periods of higher ntaxes have brought increased
prosperity. Ignore that all you want but you are swimming against the tide.
Will Goodlatte, Griffith & Hurt (and the rest of the House GOP) act in a way that cuts spending and guarantees tax increases on 100 percent of taxpayers?
Or will they act in a way that cuts spending and guarantees increases on 1 percent?
Those are the questions.
Ok Dave
High taxes creates prosperity. Is that why Europe is booming?
terps:
“Is Greece too small? OK. Substitute California. Is that big enough?”
I’m glad I’ll be watching Califonia’s certain implosion from the opposite end of the country because it’s going to be ugly.
Does Goodlatte consider his vow to Grover Norquist more lasting than his vow to his constituents to self-term limit by 2006?
Since they both involve him personally receiving a nice paycheck, pension, benefits and high quality healthcare from the taxpayers, the answer is yes, he does consider his Norquist pledge more durable.
Pay career politician Goodlatte well, and fund his healthcare and pension, and do it NOW, you peons…Government can’t solve your problems, only his.
Terps, California is imploding because for years it hasn’t been able to raise taxes. This dates back decades. Those days are over though, so it probably will come roaring back.
terps
Europe is suffering for two reasons. 1. The sasme one that is plaguing the U.S. and the rest of the world–an out of control international banking system that went overboard on speculation. and 2. The austerity program which instead of helping them turn the economy around has made it contract even more and get worse instead of better. By the same toke, our own economy would be recovering at a much faster rate without the over 1 million government employees that have been riffed. Add back that million plus jobs plus the jobs that would be created by the money spent by that million plus people and our economic picture would be substantially better. The myth that government doesn’t create jobs is the Republican problem. Jobs and spending beget jobs and spending. If you can’t see the logic in that you’re walking asround with your mind and eyes closed.
Terps, here is what’s going on with the wealthy folks (tax dodgers) in Greece right now.
…here’s the link (sorry):
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/12/business/global/greece-renews-struggle-against-tax-evasion.html?pagewanted=all
I understand the guest speker at this meeting is Susan Rice. She will be
giving a lecture on the virtues of the sustainibilty movement and green
energy projects with an emphasis on mountaintop wind farms. That will be followed by the evening’s entertainment in which Greg and Chip will do their imitations of men suffering strokes.
Georgia Tea Party briefing for state senators segues from Agenda 21 to Obama’s top-secret mind-control program (codename: Delphi) to turn the U.S. into a communist nation.
Oh man. I wonder if the Roanoke Tea Party is up to snuff on THIS?
Please … somebody take these people’s tin foil away so they can’t make hats that block the government SANITY waves.
The delphi technique (consensus building)apparently does work judging by the majority of comments on this thread. Perhaps if Casey did a seminar at a Roanoke Tea Party meeting he might gain some additional communist converts.
This has not happened in the 20+ years since the fall of the iron curtain
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ww1k54Y_ds&feature=player_embedded
You may as well spend your time trying
to herd feral cats.
Lets see..
Terps or Warren Buffett ?
I think maybe the Oracle may be
the one to go with this time.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/warren-buffet-fiscal-cliff_n_2132206.html
Ooooo “consensus building”. First the UN’s telling us not to litter, then Obama’s going and trying to build “consensus”! The horror!
Really, does anyone take the TP seriously.