There’s only one way on the Wednesday OPEN thread
Shot by Dan
“I live on a one-way street that’s also a dead end. I’m not sure how I got there.”
Steven Wright
November 21, 2012 - 10:00 AM
- Contact us |
- Customer care |
- Subscribe |
- Advertise |
- Submit news |
- Sign in
Coming Up
In the market for a new home? Don’t miss the Open House guide in the paper Saturday and Sunday.
November 21, 2012 - 10:00 AM
Join the conversation [ADD A COMMENT]
View our commenting policy and standards | Commenting FAQ | Report a problem
142 COMMENTS
Error submitting comment
Name is required
A valid email is required (test@test.com)
Comment is required
Add a comment
Your email address will not be published.
All fields are required to comment.
Sunday, May 19, 2013
THE ROANOKE TIMES
Heh, I remember that routine from when Wright performed at W&L many, many years ago. As I recall, the rest went something like, “It goes the other way. No one ever comes to visit, but people are always leaving.”
LOVE Steven Wright!
They take our skills,
They take our labor,
They take our knowledge,
They take our pride,
They take our talent,
Our best ideas,
They take our time,
They take our lives,
In the end,
They take our jobs,
These ‘makers’-
Then turn around
and call us, ‘takers’
-unknown
Can a picture be worth more than a thousand words?
https://twitpic.com/show/iphone/bd138u
So how will you guys find a way to criticize McDonnell for this?
One of my favorite Steven Wright sayings, “I have a large sea shell collection. I keep it on all the beaches of the world.”
#5 Why would anybody “blame” him, Chuck? He did the only decent, humane thing he could do.
For once Chuck, we don’t have too. I wish I could call it progress, but I bet it is a fluke.
hey gdud, ….wake up, man.
what’s your response to chuck’s post #5 refer to? I think Chuck was referring to the one way sign to a dead end…
hey why don’t you call up your buddy davie, and then the Bobsey Twins can figure out what in the heck you are referring to.
Oh Frank, when you dig, you dig till you are up to your eyeballs. I am starting to pity you.
Gomer
Why don’t you get a life. Maybe you and little matt need to take a vacation together .
The Rmoney campaign anthem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuRyouEOUJ8
hey gdud,
i just noticed that Chuck’s post in #5 contained a seperate link to the Montgomery case. so, unlike what I originally suggested that you and davie do, maybe you and ol’ davie shouldn’t need to combine your energies on figuring out what in the heck you were referring to…’cause i was wrong, and you guys don’t need to work on that any more. I apologise.
That said, i also want you to know that I think I’d rather apologize to sandi than you, gdud. Sheesh.
Does anyone else find it ironic that liberals continue to claim that conservatives want to “set us back decades” while at the same time they suggest tax rates go back to what they were decades ago? Duplicity?
Kicking back, having a beer with my sons and getting ready to cook crabcakes for dinner. It doesn’t get much better than that. Have a great weekend fellow bloggers!!!
justin how about this:
So we do not labor,
And do not try,
we may not care,
Just want to get by,
We want to live
On others toils
They call us takers
And political foils.
We are the majority….
And dammit…we will not.. take anything less than complete acceptance of that which we belive we should get…
ahhhhh… myopoc libs
Rush Limbaugh gave his annual history of the real reason for the first Thanksgiving. The Plymouth colony celebrated the resounding success of the fruits and success of capitalism.
Capitalism is under attack today, people. We have a political party that’s actually trying to end it. That’s 0bama’s goal. If you doubt that, look at his history, then look at every single thing he’s done as president. There is just no other conclusion.
Do you liberals really want this?
I want to wish Dan and my fellow bloggers a most peaceful and happy Thanksgiving…
Does anyone else find it ironic that liberals continue to claim that conservatives want to “set us back decades” while at the same time they suggest tax rates go back to what they were decades ago? Duplicity?
Comment by mike o — November 21, 2012 @ 6:27 pm
Hey mike o,
I’d be happy with the rates we had in the 1990s which were about half what we had in the 1950s & 1960s. We had balanced budgets with those rates and we would still be paying down debt if we had those rates and Pay As You Go Rules (approved by the Democrats) in place.
mike o, I bet there’s some furrowed brows and frowns working over your last two posts. Well said.
Thanks Hillary and I’ll add my best wishes to the Gonzos for a Happy Thanksgiving!
Frank, good of you to admit your mistake, but saying that they don’t need to work on it anymore, implies that they worked on it to begin with. Trust me, they didn’t.
Justin True:
4.”Can a picture be worth more than a thousand words?”
Justin, that’s the border checkpoint of Suzie’s new country, Conservamerica.
#9 & 13 I noticed Frank that I used the word “blame” instead of “criticize” as Chuck actually said, but other than that — what in the hell are you blubbering about? See what happens when you are SOOOOO eager to jump all over me about nothing? You really have been on a bad bender lately.
‘Conservamerica’ is too long. ‘Conamerica’ works better on a couple of levels.
It’s about 1:00 am, Thanksgiving Day. Hope everyone has a wonderful day of family, friends, and feasting.
Dan, take the day off, buddy.
Happy Thanksgiving to all. Enjoy your day with your family and friends.
A couple of days ago, the Roanoke Times in its Extra section featured a story about natural childbirth. Had a picture of a couple with the woman sitting on one of those Swedish exercise balls.
I called this before I read the story, but I just knew the couple was going to be unmarried. And sure enough. Different last names “Such and such and her partner“. Just like it was perfectly normal. All the married people out there, and the RT chooses live-ins.
Communist Party goals for America (1957)
#26- Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
#40- Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Thanks, RT, for promoting this message:
I’d also like to comment on the FAKE organized protests against Walmart. This is NOT a grass roots protest, people. This is the FAR LEFT union thugs furthering their war on the private sector.
Walmart is a free market giant that has not kowtowed to the regime, and they are out to bring them down or at least get control.
God, I wish these leftists would leave us alone, and just let us go about our business. But they won’t of course. The communists won’t rest until they ruin our American system.
I’ll ask again, liberals. Is this really what you want?
hey gdud,
by the way, i think you missed what i apologized to you for…it had nothing to do with “criticize” or “blame”. Nevertheless, perhaps I owed you one in general. Happy Thanksgiving.
Who can forget Les Nessman and all our friends from WKRP!! Happy Thanksgiving fellow bloggers!! Hope you have a joy filled day with family & friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf3mgmEdfwg
#27,
Communist Party goals for America (1957)
#40- Discredit the family as an institution
Thanks, RT, for promoting this message:
Comment by Suzie — November 22, 2012 @ 7:34 am
suz’s ovaries must be communist or homo since they obviously never promoted the Christian ideal of family.
As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. Happy Thanksgiving.
Suzie, …you’ve got’em pegged.
And, libs believe… “i have the right to live as I please, and it’s your duty to pay for it, along with my birth-control…and/or abortions.”
Walmart is a free market giant that has not kowtowed to the regime, and they are out to bring them down or at least get control…
…The communists won’t rest until they ruin our American system.
Comment by Suzie — November 22, 2012 @ 9:51 am
Does praising a retailer that imports over 90% of their products from a communist regime and then in the next paragraph decrying communism count as irony or idiocy?
Civility be damned, this is a level of ignorance beyond offense, Suzie. Walmart is FEEDING communism. Do you know how completely stupid you sound? Walmart is China. If China was to cut Walmart off tomorrow, within a week over half of the Wally Worlds would have to shutter for a least a month. Walmart’s stock would plummet, as well. Communists could trigger an absolute crisis in that company, without even considering any down-market effects. Essentially, communists are the de facto owners of your praised corporation.
Yeah, and those taxes you’ve complained about so much? You should check out what percentage of Walmart’s money (read: our money) that goes to China ends up directly in the government’s pockets.
I’m used to the irrational, the illogical, the ignorant, and occasionally, the insane from you, but you generally stay away from the “damned stupid” side of things.
J.M. White, the election has caused Suzie to become completely unhinged.
J.M. White, you are too generous. The ‘you’re all Communists’ meme is going to be her new mantra and facts, honesty or credibility have nothing at all to do with it.
Suzie, rest assured that any system that requires me to call you “comrade” is never going to be something I join willingly.
You’d do well to listen to JM White. If we ever end up being a Communist nation (and we won’t) it will be because China owns us through vehicles like your beloved Wal-Mart. I am sure you greatly admire their labor relations board.
Losing an election really sends some of you over the ragged edge doesn’t it?
I’m used to the irrational, the illogical, the ignorant, and occasionally, the insane from you, but you generally stay away from the “damned stupid” side of things.
Lately, the U.S. is more communist than China. At China isn’t in the grip of the environmental nuts. They don’t have to do Kyoto, address MMGW (as if you could) or any of that nonsense. And the worldwide left doesn’t utter a peep about it. Only the U.S. is vilified for not paying for a bunch of crap. To their credit, China doesn’t allow a bunch of idiots to get in the way of their business and industry.
Walmart is the only American business to trade with China, well, except for all the others. Seems like rightwinger Jimmy Carter started that in 1980 or so.
Seems like rightwinger Jimmy Carter started that in 1980 or so.
Comment by Suzie — November 22, 2012 @ 3:34 pm
Actually SuzieQ it was Richard Nixon who opened China to the west. Presidents Reagan & GHW Bush were responsible for great expansion of trade with China. Jimmy Carter had little, if anything, to do with China.
Carter continued to expand American contacts with communist China, granting the communist regime formal diplomatic recognition on January 1, 1979.
http://millercenter.org/president/carter/essays/biography/5
This from memory, folks. Mind like a steel trap.
It feels like a 1950′s time warp…the communists are coming! the communists are coming!…better dead than red!
Can this get any more stupid? geez.
Mind like a rusty steel trap you mean? Do tell us what the US has done regarding “Kyoto”, how are we alone addressing “MMGW” if indeed “the U.S. is vilified for not paying for a bunch of crap”? Is China doing anything green? Is it led by “a bunch of idiots”, or just run-of-the-mill Communists? Do you EVER know what you are talking about?
#37 And the people in China have to wear masks. The air in parts of the country is nearly unbreatheable, some of the water is completely undrinkable, and Superfund type sites proliferate. This is what suzie’s waxing nostalgic for. The troll has gone totally bonkers.
Hey J.M.,
…does Walmart really import “over 90% of their products from a communist regime”…presumably China?
I don’t dispute that the real number might be a large number, but is “over 90% of their products” …for real?
hey shrill,
Is Van Jones a communist? You know, the obuma appointee to a White House post…?
#41 I’ve been thinking it’s like a live-action version of Chicken Little. Where, oh where, is Foxy Loxy to put an end to the squawking about falling skies?
Is it just me, or has Suzie completely jumped the shark?
Actually, I guess she did that with her ludicrous Benghazi freakout, and it’s only gone downhill from there. My Thanksgiving resolution is to, after this, give her all the attention she deserves: None.
Have a nice life, Suzie, who or whatever you are.
I’ll waste no more time on you and I sincerely hope that after the Roanoke Times blog “civility” summit Dan mentioned, few if any of your posts will make the grade.
And, please, anyone, if I break this vow, please call me on it.
“And the people in China have to wear masks. The air in parts of the country is nearly unbreatheable, some of the water is completely undrinkable, and Superfund type sites proliferate. This is what suzie’s waxing nostalgic for. The troll has gone totally bonkers.” Comment by gdad
Pollution is progress, gdad. Efforts to keep the air clean, and the water drinkable, are communistic.
Frank, I would actually be surprised if 10% of Walmart’s inventory was domestic.
7 And the people in China have to wear masks. The air in parts of the country is nearly unbreatheable, some of the water is completely undrinkable
So how come the international leftwing environmental nuts aren’t pounding pounding pounding on China for all these grievous offenses? It’s always the United States who is the villain.
I’ll waste no more time on you and I sincerely hope that after the Roanoke Times blog “civility” summit Dan mentioned, few if any of your posts will make the grade.
I’ve been 100% civil for the past week, Rad. If they’re truly going for civility, a lot of people will be gone before me. But if they’re like you, they’ll just get rid of me because they don’t like my POV.
I would like to personally thank Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot….all the big box retailers for saving cash-strapped consumers tons of money this Black Friday. Poor people getting a break, and no taxpayer is getting screwed.
Why people would support a regime that wants to end capitalism is beyond me. Is it that they just don’t think?
have you guys seen that photo of moochele bammy wearing those ugly green pants with her thong showing…it is hilarious, certainly shows what class she has..none God what a camel
danny, both of them, show constantly that they do not understand anything with meaning at all, in each case they make some stupid half ass joke about it,…so tired, so old, so not worth it.
“have you guys seen that photo of moochele bammy wearing those ugly green pants with her thong showing…it is hilarious, certainly shows what class she has..none God what a camel”
–Comment by pammala
Gosh, certainly she has none of the “class” of our own pammy, who makes up insulting nicknames for the First Lady because she doesn’t like the politics of her husband, and is distraught he was reelected. I’m thinking this “loser” mentality is going to carry on for four years. It’s going to be a long, drawn out RWer pity party.
“….just like the little dicktator is as well…”
DICKtator? That’s no typo. C’mon, Dan. If you’re going to let that through, I call dibs on telling pammalapdog, ‘C U Next Tuesday’.
“I would like to personally thank Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot….”
They’re all open today. Go tell them in person. They’re probably not reading this blog.
Gone, Contra. Thanks for the catch.
pammalalala officially takes over as the thing with the least class on the blog.
Frank: A few sources place Walmart’s China-made inventory in the neighborhood of 90%. China Business Weekly puts it at 70%, with an additional 15-25% made in other Asian countries.
Hey J.M., and John Wilburn,
The post I questioned, (in #33, I think) stated “Does praising a retailer that imports over 90% of their products… from a communist regime…”. In other words, to me, that statement says Walmart imports over 90% of the stuff they sell…from China
According to China Business Weekly, in 2004 China provided 70% of the commodities Walmart sold. The commodities referred to were textile products…only.
According to Emerging Markets Outlook in 2010, approximately 80% of total IMPORTS to Walmart came from China. Thats of “total imported” products, not of “total products”. There is a difference.
Certainly the amount of goods Walmart imports from China is very high.
However, a statement which says, “China provides about 90% of all products Walmart IMPORTS” is probably closer to the truth than, “a retailer (Walmart) that imports over 90% of their total products from a communist country (China)”.
Frank:
“According to China Business Weekly, in 2004 China provided 70% of the commodities Walmart sold. The commodities referred to were textile products…only.”
Did you figure Taiwan into that? I would say all-in-all that 10% of their products are domestic. One thing is for sure; they are not the “Made in America” company they prided themselvs on 20 years ago. That campaign went by the wayside in large part because they couldn’t walk the walk and were rightfully being ridiculed for it.
“Did you figure Taiwan into that? I would say all-in-all that 10% of their products are domestic. One thing is for sure; they are not the “Made in America” company they prided themselvs on 20 years ago. That campaign went by the wayside in large part because they couldn’t walk the walk and were rightfully being ridiculed for it.”
Aw, come on, JW. Go easy on poor old Frank. Let’s let him live in his fantasy land in which a majority of the goods in Walmart are made in ‘Merica, where the Earth is cooling no matter what some bought-off liberal scientists say, where medical tests for “the vapors” are useful, and where Mitt Romney won the election but it was stolen for Obama by some evil communists like Van Jones.
hey ol’ dano,
Please show your followers where I made any statement saying “a majority of the goods in Walmart are made in America”.
While you’re at it, please provide a source which provides data to show that 90% of the goods in Walmart are made in China and Taiwan.
And, please please encourage your familty to absolutely do not get any mammogram or PSA cancer screenings. Certainly your getting a PSA would be hypocritical.
Time to put up or shut up, dano.
Hey John Wilburn,
I agree that the balance of goods “not made in America” in Walmart, appears to be way out-of-wack. However, J.M.’s statement that “Walmart (sic) …imports over 90% of their products from a communist regime” (the context of which meant China) is, in my opinion, not true. And, my position has not been rebutted with fact. If it is a fact, presumably that info is easily found.
The trapped in steel mind equating communism with environmentalism proves, yet again, that he/she has no idea what communism actually is.
Her/his claim of knowledge of political theory is nearly as hilarious as his/her claim of understanding statistics.
Hey Frank, what about Hong Kong? Walmart wouldn’t import from there, would they?
Dave Hicks:
“Her/his claim of knowledge of political theory is nearly as hilarious as his/her claim of understanding statistics.”
I don’t know if he has the time or desire to fool with it, but if my friend Kenneth works up some election probablity numbers, I’ll be sure to share. Coming from him, they’ll have a lot of credibility.
Below is a link to an article about what Walmart has done & is doing to the U.S. economy. It states that approximately 85% of everything sold via Walmart is imported. 80% of what is sold via Walmart is made in China. That’s not 90%,but it is close enough in my view. The article makes no pretense about being unbiased. Nonetheless, links built within the article provide facts. Despite what many think, Walmart is not our friend.
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/07/is-wal-mart-destroying-america-20-facts.html
I’ll pledge to join you Dan Radmacher. Their slow sink into obscurity would do the blog good. Responding to the ignorance is a bore.
This from memory, folks. Mind like a steel trap.
Comment by Suzie — November 22, 2012 @ 4:57 pm
Steel Trap..or Real Crap?
Dan R and Sandi S,
Not me! suz doubled down on “Landslide” and Frank screwed the pooch with his dopey intransigence with his “hook, line and sinker” nonsense. Hell, I even offered to buy Frank and DMatt some stupid cheddarbomb hats as a consolation prize for sucking so bad at predicting election outcomes if they’d have only come clean and ‘fessed up to being slow witted, but to no avail. After months of me riding them like rented government mules these fools still won’t come to Jesus and admit defeat.
I tried too many times to show them the path towards righteousness and yet they chose not to rebuke Satan; now I get to burn ‘em like I’m Rick James with a hot crack pipe.
hey Ron May,
Thanks for your link. Please remember that the issue is …”whether Walmart imports over 90% of its products from China…”, per J.M. I expressed doubt that the number is anywhere near that high. Keep in mind that J.M.’s statement of “over 90% of Walmart’s products are imported from China…” is a pretty high hurdle to clear.
For example, based on your link to the “ACTIVIST Post”, I have found nothing to support J.M.’s statement. I have, however, found the following “facts” from the ACTIVIST, or related links:
fact #2 and fact #10 – each provide data or links to data which suggest that Walmart imported products having a value of about $27 billion in 2006. In order to estimate the value of Walmart’s imports from China in 2010, I simply multiply the amount in 2006 by three times = $81 billion.
fact #13 – says Walmart’s revenue in 2010 was $421 billion.
*simple math – according to the above two “facts”, 19.2 of Walmart’s revenue came from China-imports in 2010. This figure, if arbitrarily “doubled”, rises only to 38.4% of Walmart’s revenue coming from China-imports in 2010..
fact #14 – says 85% of all products sold by Walmart are made outside the United States. Ron, how does THIS “fact” help prove J.M.’s statement that, “over 90% of Walmart’s products are imported …from China”?
fact #15 – it is reported that over 80% of all Walmart suppliers are in china? So what? How does THAT relate to the “over 90% of Walmart products are imported from China” statement? Well, it doesn’t.
Ron, even your own posted comment of “85% of everything sold in Walmart is imported” is not substianted, nor does the comment provide the % imported from China…which is the specific issue.
I do appreciate that you at least provided some new information that might have at least some credibility (although I am highly skeptical of some of the ACTIVIST Post’s sources…like some guy who says his name is “Randy”…but I fail to see how any of it makes J.M.’s specific point. What am I missing, in your opinion?
Based on the combined firepower of J.M., ol’ dano, John Wilburn, and yourself along with the actual link you provided, thus far the “over 90%” claim remains a figment and not a fact…at least as of now.
hey limberger stevie,
you should not be calling attention to yourself as you go tip-toeing through the tulips…. shssh.
Comment by Steve C — November 23, 2012 @ 9:39 pm
Yep, old man Alcoholic Stevie has been hittin’ that bottle extra hard over the holiday. Good for you, Alcoholic Stevie. Enjoy the rest of your weekend (and don’t forget to change your diaper).
Cheers.
“Yep, old man Alcoholic Stevie has been hittin’ that bottle extra hard over the holiday. Good for you, Alcoholic Stevie. Enjoy the rest of your weekend (and don’t forget to change your diaper).”
I know you’re just kidding, matt. But I thought I’d let you in on just a small slice of Steve’s life recently: He’s spent an inordinate amount of time in the past 3 weeks (including Friday) doing his best to help a legless WW2 veteran who’s been struggling with some greater-than-normal health issues. I don’t want to go into detail about those, but they’ve consumed a significant amount of his time and energy. Steve didn’t even know the guy, but they’re both ex-Navy, and Steve was in a position to help him, and he did that without hesitation.
OK, now you can go back to funnin’ him by making stuff up.
#74 You know, matt, if you’d at least try to be funny instead of your worn-out, boring alcohol and diaper insults. And now we find out that the guy you keep calling an alcoholic, even though we know he isn’t, is helping out a stranger who served our country (as Steve C did as well).
Boy do you look like even more of a jerk.
Dan, I imagine only sainthood remains for ol’ Steve.
gdud, you just concentrate on continuing to earn your “weakest defender of the blog” status.
With all due respect Frank, the issue with Walmart is not whether it imports 80%, 90%, 40% or 100% of its products from overseas, China, Vietnam or Canada. It’s about what Walmart, and the Walton family, does & has done to manufacturing, local retailers, and its employees
In the comment I posted I made clear that the link was not particularly unbiased. However, the links embedded in the article do provide the facts. Item # 15 in the link points out that 80% of Walmart suppliers are in China. I would suggest that means approximately that portion of what Walmart sells in its stores are made or grown in China. I would be very careful of the vegetables you purchase at Walmart. I would also be very careful of any fish products you buy at Walmart. They are grown and harvested in ways that don’t meet FDA food safety standards. There are other safety issues regarding products sold via Walmart, but I’ll save that for another day.
What I have found with you, Frank, and SuzieQ and your compatriots on this blog is that you don’t really want to be confused by facts. Go back and reread the link I provided Frank. Follow the links in the article and be informed.
Dan, you embarrass me. I don’t think people should be recognized for just doing the right thing.
Now DMatt, on the other hand, is somebody we should all be celebrating. The DMatt’s too humble of a guy to ever admit it, but his old man Frank makes it a practice to brag on young DMatt in casual conversation at least two or three times that his son is the first person (and so far the only person, to the best of my knowledge) to receive a full ride scholarship for football at Hollins University. He also dated the head cheerleader while he was there, what with him being the captain of the football team and all but ultimately ended marrying her much younger sister (you know, the trophy wife thing) and now has three beautiful blond children that are the perfect picture of Hitler’s youth brigade. While at Hollins University, DMatt was honored by being the valedictorian for his class after he graduated Magna Cum Laude in Hollins highly competitive and prestigious school of nuclear engineering.
And if all that wasn’t enough, it’s a little known fact that the DMatt is also the preeminent Quiddich player in the valley!
Frank:
“Based on the combined firepower of J.M., ol’ dano, John Wilburn, and yourself along with the actual link you provided, thus far the “over 90%” claim remains a figment and not a fact…at least as of now.”
1.Did you figure Vietnam in there, Frank?
2.Did you read Ron May’s link, Frank?
3.If 90%, 85%, or 80% of your body were removed, there wouldn’t be enough left to fill a shoebox. You’d literally be decimated; as would Wal-Mart if it dropped imports.
hey ron may,
The only issue I contested regarding China in this entire thread, and still contest, is the allegation that “China imports over 90% of the products it sells”. I never said Walmart is above reproach for some of the social ills it has created. Nor have I ever said that Walmart’s business model and practices are good for society as a whole.
For goodness sake, man, with all of the ammo out there to Walmart’s detriment, you sure don’t need to fall into the trap of “over-exaggerating” Walmart’s short-comings…do ya? You are a college President, for goodness sake. Please stick to the issue.
Is it a fact, or not, that “China imports over 90% of the products it sells”? J.M. says it is. I say it’s not. Thus far, neither you, ol’ dano, John Wilburn, J.M., nor anyone else has provided anything factual to support that …whopper.
Seriously, Ron, what don’t you understand about that simple issue? why do you need to throw down the “China is a bad company” mantra…which I have not disputed? Not once.
hey John Wilburn,
J.M.’s comment was referring to China. So, nooo, I didn’t throw in any other countries. I also didn’t throw in all of the social ills fostered by Walmart on society. I also didn’t and don’t contest the criticisms thrown at Walmart. I have not ever indicated anyone is wrong to think the way they do about Walmart.
Yes, John, I read Ron’s link…thoroughly. And, if YOU decide to read it thoroughly as well, you will not find anything which supports J.M.’s claim that…”Walmart imports over 90% of it’s products from…China”.
THAT is the singular issue here, John. I have taken no issue with anything else concerning Walmart.
The single issue I have raised is I contest J.M.’s single comment to Suzie of “does praising a retailor that imports over 90% of their products from a communist regime…”.
Once I dared contest that alleged “over 90%” ..fact?.. (which still has no basis in fact), boy, did the libs’ eyes glaze over, they lost their individual senses of reason, and the frenzy began.
You, too.
It’s ok JW
Frank was (is) already missing the most important part anyway —a head and a brain.
Ron May @ 9:24
Frank’s not interested in the big picture or the overall effect or message in any post. All he’s interested in is if he can find a 5% discrepancy or some minute meaningless piece of information that he can use to argue with the post so that he can say the whole thing is wrong. He does it on clikmate change, he does it on health care, he does it on the economy, he does it on spending and deficits. Why should it be any diffrent on Walmart?
gdad
matt or Frank trying to be funny is just like Mitt Romney trying to be funny—- it never works because they just don’t get it.
hey ron,
With all due respect, if you libs had even a hint of the possibilty that Walmart actually “imported over 90% of it’s products from China”, you, I, ol’dano, John Wilburn, et al, would have had the headline to link to, and it would have been plastered all over the placards the Walmart protestors were waving around yesterday.
Instead, the best you, a college president, could do was link to a “not particularly unbiased site” site, which STILL couldn’t confirm the allegation that “over 90%…”. Then you changed and widened the issue into a referendem on Walmart in general. You libs do stuff like that when you can’t prove the original point.
You know it. I know it.
hey, it’s davie!
good for you, davie, to pay some attention to good ol’ gdud.
Hey davie, since you’re here, do ya think YOU can find a link which shows that “over 90% of Walmarts products are imported from China”? A lot’s riding on this, davie, ’cause no one else has been able to do so. All they’ve been able to do is stutter and stammer, deflect, change the topic, and otherwise…just fail, ya know. It’s all up to you, now.
Hey! I know…maybe you can hook up with the other Bobsey Twin, and he can help you in your quest for the truth.
Ohhh, Alcoholic Steve. It seems you actually do have a sense of humor (#79). That’s good. I even chuckled a few times at your post. And here I was, all worried about you being an angry, lonely, and bitter old drunk who posts life updates on a tiny blog in southwest Virginia.
Hi Cue Ball,
Thanks for the shout out. I was even able to read your post this time, as it seems you hve dcided to atvualy tyr ad spele thigs curectley. Good for you.
Stay away from those windows, old man.
The religion of cheap apples and socks..
Thought this was an interesting site.
http://makingchangeatwalmart.org/factsheet/
This is from 2004. I’m sure shoes and housewares aren’t the only Wal-Mart products that are in the 80 to 90% range imported from China.
“For several years, Wal-Mart has been the single largest U.S. importer of Chinese consumer goods, surpassing the trade volume of entire countries, such as Germany and Russia. Global sourcing is now fully integrated into the company’s operations — giving Wal-Mart enormous leverage worldwide. Foreign products account for nearly all of Wal-Mart’s trumpeted low opening price point goods.”
“During regularly scheduled conference calls with Wall Street analysts, Lee Scott, Wal-Mart CEO since 2000, touts global sourcing as the key to increasing company profits and continuing its expansion.”
“No one can compete with China. Such efficiency, such manpower,” said Frank Yuan, the former middleman who did business with Wal-Mart, and who now heads an international apparel trade show. “If you look at [Wal-Mart's] shoes or housewares, 80 or 90 percent is coming out of China. And apparel is not as big as it should be.” After U.S. quotas on textile imports expire on Jan. 1, 2005, Yuan expects imports from China to rise to 80 percent of the apparel market.”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/secrets/wmchina.html
http://www.tradereform.org/2012/07/not-made-in-america-top-10-ways-walmart-destroys-us-manufacturing-jobs/
The Walton family sold its soul IMO for the almighty dollar.
hey ol’ dano,
only a lib …would think it’s a classy thing for the first lady to hike up her thong so that it would show.
Only small minds give a damn about the undergarments worn by presidents wives.
Be kind, Debbie. That picture is the closest Ole Frank’s gotten to women’s lingerie worn by an actual live woman.
Small minds seem to relish showing them off too? Hey fellas, size does matter and your exposure is embarrassing. You prove why the right wing is in the dark and doomed to stay there.
#77 Good to see from your reply that realize what an assclown you’ve been, mattie.
#93 Speaking of which, Frankie, you just making stuff up again?
You’d literally be decimated
Er… no, he wouldn’t. It goes the other way: if he’d had 10% of his body removed, then he’d be decimated.
(Sorry for being pedantic! I’ve done a bit of Latin in my time, y’see, and never fully recovered.)
Frank:
“With all due respect, if you libs had even a hint of the possibilty that Walmart actually “imported over 90% of it’s products from China”, you, I, ol’dano, John Wilburn, et al, would have had the headline to link to…”
Sounds like you are the right person to articulate to us the change in quality of water that has 5% sewage versus 10%-15%. You are ignoring the obvious fact that overwhelming majority of Wal-Mart’s products come from communist countries with cheap labor… period. Do you realize how dumb you sound arguing that small difference of 5% or so?
If Wal-Mart went domestic only right now, the whole store would be empty save for the dairy case, the gun cabinet, and one random shelf with Frank leaning on it saying “SEE!!!!! TOLD YA DANO… TOLD YA JM, TOLD YA JOHN WILBURN”
Debbie:
94.”Only small minds give a damn about the undergarments worn by presidents wives.”
Yes, including those who cared about Mitt Romney’s.
hey gdud,
you forgot to use any peas, again. sheesh, you can’t even work your pea-shooter correctly.
Trust me, John Wilburn, I didn’t care about Romney’s underwear either.
hey joyn wilburn,
You can spout and shout all you want… it won’t change your allegations into facts. Just go find some evidence that “Walmart imports over 90% of its products from China”.
In fact, just find an article, from any source, which says, “Walmart imports over 90% of its products from China”.
You can’t do it, ’cause it’s not true. It’s an allegation…only.
Frank, as usual, the facts don’t matter. Only the alleged “big picture” matters. So, a poster made a statement on this thread two days ago that has yet to be verified by facts or even a simple link. You had the audacity to question the accuracy of the comment, thus the blog posse had to go to great lengths to deflect from the original statement. Different side arguments and opinions were introduced, other variables were introduced, and don’t forget those links to nowhere from “biased activist” sites. Yet, two days worth of hand-wringing and flailing has not produced a single link proving the original statement. Due to this failure, the thread has now devolved into simple name-calling. I’d say you have your answer, loud and clear.
“Good to see from your reply that realize what an assclown you’ve been…” – DUD
Hey Dudster, try a little harder next time and you won’t leave entire words out of your sentence. Goodness, you just keep that blog rep alive one failed post after another, eh? Now, I think your pom-poms and pigtails are needed on another thread.
Quibbling over the percentage of Walmart’s destructive merchandise from Communist China is an exercise in ignorance.
http://www.americanmadeheroes.com/walmart-Mike-Duke.html
“Walmart is largest importer of Communist Chinese manufactured product into USA!”
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/is-wal-mart-destroying-america-20-facts-about-wal-mart-that-will-absolutely-shock-you
“#1 The average U.S. family now spends more than $4000 a year at Wal-Mart.
#2 In 2010, Wal-Mart had revenues of 421 billion dollars. That amount was greater than the GDP of 170 different countries including Norway, Venezuela and the United Arab Emirates.
#3 If Wal-Mart was a nation, it would have the 23rd largest GDP in the world.
#4 Wal-Mart now sells more groceries than anyone else in America does. In the United States today, one out of every four grocery dollars is spent at Wal-Mart.
#5 Amazingly, 100 million customers shop at Wal-Mart every single week.
#6 Wal-Mart has opened more than 1,100 “supercenters” since 2005 alone.
#7 Today, Wal-Mart has more than 2 million employees.
#8 If Wal-Mart was an army, it would be the second largest military on the planet behind China.
#9 Wal-Mart is the largest employer in 25 different U.S. states.
#10 According to the Economic Policy Institute, trade between Wal-Mart and China resulted in the loss of 133,000 manufacturing jobs in the United States between 2001 and 2006.
#11 The CEO of Wal-Mart makes more in a single hour than a full-time Wal-Mart associate makes in an entire year.
#12 Tens of thousands of Wal-Mart employees and their children are enrolled in Medicaid and are dependent on the government for healthcare.
#13 Between 2001 and 2007, the value of products that Wal-Mart imported from China grew from $9 billion to $27 billion.
#14 Amazingly, 96 percent of all Americans now live within 20 miles of a Wal-Mart.
#15 The number of “independent retailers” in the United States declined by 60,000 between 1992 and 2007.
#16 According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Wal-Mart spent 7.8 million dollars on political lobbying during 2011. That number does not even include campaign contributions.
#17 Today, Wal-Mart has five times the sales of the second largest U.S. retailer (Costco).
#18 The combined net worth of six members of the Walton family is roughly equal to the combined net worth of the poorest 30 percent of all Americans.”
The size alone should worry you when the relationship is so heavily dependent on trade with a very Communist, very repressive regime. It is damn sure nothing to praise!
Do you really want to quibble over 10 percentage points, Frank?
”
Wal-Mart, the billion dollar beast, having taken all the food it needs to grow, desires to digest it in order for it to become bigger and stronger. In its already large diseconomies of scale, it attempts to cultivate itself without worrying about the possible side-effects coming from its already massive bulk, unfortunately, reality doesn’t work that way. The beast hires so many ‘workers’ in countries like China and India that if it were to open a Wal-Mart in the dead of their cities, nearly all their products would read ‘Made in Here’. Wal-Mart imports over $30 billion in merchandise from China per year with 80% of its supplies made in China alone. This imperialistic monster receives one sue every two hours and is still battling against 1.6 million employees due to sexual discrimination alone, not counting battles from unfair wages and hours, racial profiling, and environmental disputes/unsanitary working conditions.”
http://econjournals.wordpress.com/2012/11/06/meet-wal-mart/
Debbie,
Please show me ANY evidence that Walmart imports even 80% of it’s products from China. None of the allegations made by J.M, Ron, and John produce a factual response to even an 80% figure. The closest was from J.M. (and that’s to be expected, because he’s a lot brighter, and more thorough and consciencious than the other two combined)…but even J.M.’s referenced site, China Business Weekly, only mentioned “over 70% of Walmart’s….textiles…were imported from China”. J.M.s original point, which as you know has yet to be proven, was that “over 90% of Walmart’s …products… are imported from China.”
Once they realized that they were wrong, both Ron and John chose to change and widen the issue into becoming an attack on Walmart itself….of which I have no dispute, and never raised any.
So, please, try to find a factual representation that Walmart imports 80% of it’s products from China.
Hey Debbie,
Walmart has annual revenue in excess of $420 billion per year. You note that Walmart’s imports from China about $30 billion per year, which I don’t dispute. Now, do the math and figure out how much of Walmart’s $420 billion in revenue comes from china…ok, I’ll do it for you…
it’s less than 7.2% annually.
Saying it’s so doesn’t make it so…as has been realized by Ron and John, up to now.
Hey Debbie,
Just so you know, the link you sent me is to be to a 12th grade economics class …blog… at William Lyons Mackenzie …high school… in Toronto, Canada. There is no site to where your “facts” originated, or can be tracked. Your “80 percent of “supplies” figure…not imports, were stated by a 12th grade student blogger…with no site for where THAT data came from.
I just thought you’d want to know.
Yo, Frank.
You just love to watch people waste time on you. Remind you of anyone?
#106 I’ll try harder, mattie. Now what do you have to say about the way you’ve been calling a veteran and a good Samaritan like Steve C the kinds of ugly things you’ve been calling him? Aw, no reply?
And just when your bosom buddy Frankie needs some more help from you.
#11 Obsess much, Frankie? Sorry that mattie can’t help you out a whole lot right now. He’s trying to recover from the mortification of acting like a kindergartner toward a good fellow like Steve C.
Frank:
“and that’s to be expected, because he’s a lot brighter, and more thorough and consciencious than the other two combined”
And is willing to feed the troll named Frank. I don’t have the time or desire to do your homework for you like J.M. White is doing whether it agrees with your viewpoint or not. On the other hand, I’m clearly not bright enough to know what the R.O.C. stand for after the word Taiwan on all the T-shirt and underwear labels or why Hong Kong and Vietnam are important to the discussion. Frank is just so eager to finally have a point, that he will pursue it regardless of any amount of statistical insignificance it bears.
Art Hill:
112.”Yo, Frank.
You just love to watch people waste time on you. Remind you of anyone?”
Right you are, Art Hill! I need to stop feeding that troll and spend more time on a real American business…. mine!
Frank..
You just proved u know a little basic math..but almost zero about economics.
7.2 percent would be right if your numbers are (which I dont know)
but only if Walmart sold them at cost and no profit..
You didn’t think about this very deeply did you?
Frank, see what I mean? “We’re just gonna call you names, deflect from the argument, and make it go away.” And all because you simply asked a poster to verify his statistical whopper of a comment. As has already been established, they got nothin’ – though they tried to give it the ol’ spin. But from here on out, it’s just gonna be name calling and taking their ball and going home.
Awwww, look at the lil’ DUDster. It’s all he can handle to put together a few cheerleading posts. So desperate to contribute, yet so obviously irrelevant.
#111 Hey Frank,
It appears that 12th grade economics class is more informed about Walmart than you are.
I know you will continue to obsess about this for weeks, but I won’t.
I’m starting to wonder if Frank is trying to deliberately kill this blog, by making it a boring as possible.
no danny, YOU did that
Frank likes to find a different bone to gnaw on every few weeks. He’ll chew on one until there’s no more meat left, then he moves on to another one.
hey joie, ok, have it your way.
in 2010, Walmart’s cost of goods sold was $305 billion (rounded). I will stipulate that $30 billion of that was imported from China. do the math. oops. ok. I’ll do the math for you: $30 billion divided by $305 billion = about 10%.
That’s a lonnggg way …from… “over 90%”. Eh?
hey dano,
Why don’t you help out your lib buddies and find for them a legitimate site from one of your main stream lib media sources that supports your buddies’ allegation that, “Walmart imports over 90% of their products from China”.
They can’t seem to find THAT source on their own.
hey john wilburn. ok, you can’t find a source to back up your allegation.
sometimes, john, “the things you can think” just don’t add up.
“hey dano,
Why don’t you help out your lib buddies and find for them a legitimate site from one of your main stream lib media sources that supports your buddies’ allegation that, “Walmart imports over 90% of their products from China”.
B O R I N G.
Frank,
What would the point be? If I found one, you would simply come back with something like, “Hey dano, congrats on finding a source for J.M. White’s claim. It only took you 4 days, I see. But because it’s from the mainstream media, it can’t be believed.”
PERHAPS J.m. White made an error with the 90 percent figure. You’re putting so much effort into debunking that, that it’s obvious his larger point stung you hard: the American capitalist utopia retailer, Walmart, imports a a huge percentage of the goods from the economic utopia of China, one of 5 communist countries left in the world today.
Obviously that realization totally ruined your Thanksgiving.
Didn`t ruin mine…We`ve learned in 4 years that distortion is the liberal way.
Anyone who thinks that Walmart only imports a small percentage of their products from China, is delusional. That is no distortion, Jeff Doto.
But if believing that, helps you feel better about supporting them then by all means, keep deluding yourself.
J Doto, the distortion’s in your brain.
Jeff Doto, Oct. 30: “You see, obama is behind and the liberal media is beyond desperate….The liberal bloggers, straight from thier mommies basements, will create any LIES imaginable, just wait and see. Please don`t laugh at them…they just can`t help themselves.”
Didja catch that distortion? It was in your head, man — and the heads of many other RW “true believers” who were nearly apoplectic that the nasty, nerdy Nate Silver was raining on their pre-election parade with (gasp!) objective analysis.
I predict that along with “liberal,” “progressive,” “global warming,” and other terms the RWers have tried to turn into “dirty” words, the right-wing, in its desperate battle with reality, will next take aim at the term “objective.”
The really important issue is why we’re wasting so much bandwidth on such an unimportant topic.
Jeez, it’s not like we’re debating a serious topic like who’s going to win Wisconsin “Hook, line and sinker” or anything.
Dan:
120.”I’m starting to wonder if Frank is trying to deliberately kill this blog, by making it a boring as possible.”
STARTING to?
Frank:
125.”hey john wilburn. ok, you can’t find a source to back up your allegation.
sometimes, john, “the things you can think” just don’t add up.”
Others have shown it to be 70-80%+. I don’t want to spend a pile of time on some challenge of yours to find 10% more. But I did find these:
http://walmartwatch.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/pdf/imported_food_safety.pdf
Wal-Mart is responsible for 9.3% of the US’s imports from China
http://www.epi.org/publication/ib235/
Also if that 27 billion is what Wal-Mart spends, it doesn’t give the margin. Your “simple math” goes out the window.
80-90% of their housewares come from China:
“http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/secrets/wmchina.html
80% of Wal-Mart’s suppliers are in China:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/wal-mart-company-statistics/
Here’s 70ish percent, but doesn’t count other communist countries:
http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/?GCOI=80140100107390
I may never find a full 90%, but I can tell two things for sure:
1. I’m done wasting time on this troll for his amusement.
2. I’ll find 90% before Frank finds the Shift key.
no dano,
You’ve got it all wrong. It was my suggestion that you actually look within your own lib main stream media, and see if you can find anything to back up the “over 90%…” claim,’cause nobody else has been able to. Perhaps, as you speculate, J.M.’s allegation can’t be backed up. Based on the data uncovered thus far, that is a very distinct possibility. In my opinion, based on what I know now, that has “over a 90% chance” of being correct.
However, you wouldn’t ever get THAT impression from the industrious and distorting efforts made by Ron May, John Wilburn, Debbie, joie, gdud, Art Hill, Sandi, davie and perhaps others who have swallowed that “as of now” false allegation about Walmart’s imports …”hook, line, and sinker”.
Also, I haven’t taken issue with anything else J.M. had to say.
By the way I had a great Thanksgiving, and hope you and your family did as well.
Hey John Wilburn,
I suggest to you that what you “think you can think” …won’t materialize…but you have at least put forth good faith effort.
Please don’t go away upset with me…be upset with the lib main stream media who won’t support your false lib allegations with those nagging little things called …facts.
You were on the money, Dan. I found where 80-90% of Walmart’s housewares and 80% of the suppliers are Chinese, but that’s not good enough for Frank! And this is before factoring Tiawan, Hong Kong , or others in.
I also don’t think Frank understands that just because they are paying a smaller amount than 90% of their revenue for what they buy from China that it takes margins into account or that they may make a better margin on those products on top of the better price.
Frank gets the last word. I have work to do today.
Sheesh, John. Margins? You insist on continuing to act like a lib, here, John, and now you are obfuscating what margins are.
According to Walmart’s 2010 Consolidated Statement of Income, their “cost of goods sold” was about $305 billion. According to readily retrieved and thus far undisputed data, Walmart imported $30 billion in goods from China. That is “cost”, John, and is included in “cost of goods sold.”
The “margin” you tout is derived when you subtract all Operating expenses($384 billion) from all Revenue from operations ($408 billion)…which is $24 billion. Walmart’s NOI (net operating income) in 2010 was 5.9%.
In other words, Walmart makes about 5.9 cents profit for every dollar of revenue…from which it must pay costs for interest, leases, etc.
But then, as a business-person, you already knew all that, didn’t you?
Frank seems to be suggesting that Walmart imports only 10 percent of its goods from China, hee, hee.
OMG, Frank, you’re so totally the WINNER!! The libs couldn’t find an incontrovertible citation for an off the cuff guesstimate about WalMart that may have been off by a few percentage points, while they were so busy focusing on the larger point that WalMart and Communist China have a very co-dependent relationship for their prosperity.
You sure showed ‘em! Over and over and over and over again, you proved that you had found a point! They’ll have to eat a lot of crow about this one, ’cause you’ve totally busted those libs for their failure to prove that the casual guesstimate that stemmed from an accurate point was slightly off. So, matt’s right, you’re the absolute winner! Never let anybody forget that you WON this one, Frank!
The Winner=Frank!!!
Yep. Warren just took his ball and went home, too.
hey warren,
Libs don’t admit they eat crow….just like they won’t admit when they’re wrong. That’s ok…but I’d like to see’m keep trying. This has been fun.
Hey dano,
I’m not suggesting anything other than what Walmart’s audited financial statements reflect…along with laughing at you libs try to squeeze water out of a dry hole.
Hey warren,
None of you libs thought to refer to J.M.’s statement as a “casual guesstimate”…until ol’ dano alluded to that possiblity today. Instead, over the past 4 days we’ve had lib after lib after lib try to prove J.M’s “casual guesstimate” as somehow being a known fact. Even a college president led that charge, initially (gee, like, can you imagine THAT?).
It’s you libs who try to play fast and loose with facts….and then quit and/or lie when you are successfully called out.
And, Warren…thank you.
#138 How sweet, mattie shows up YET AGAIN to try to help out Frankie, even when he’s still recovering from his own embarrassment. These two guys are such a cute couple.
BTW, mattie, when people get bored after repeatedly demolishing idiotic claims and decide to quit pounding their heads against brick trolls, it’s not running away or going “home.”
“BTW, mattie, when people get bored after repeatedly demolishing idiotic claims and decide to quit pounding their heads against brick trolls, it’s not running away or going “home.”-The DUDster
Yeah. That’s why the majority of the last 100 or so comments on this thread refer to those “idiotic” claims you allege. Most of the comments took place over several days, and nearly the entire blog posse made an appearance. Some showed up many times. All took their ball and stomped home.
Keep trying, DUDster.
Wow, Frank sure succeeded in hijacking the point and the thread! The point of J.M. White’s take down of an ignorant statement about Communists ruining the system when Walmart is such a huge importer of Communist China junk got waylaid and ignored to pretend the statistic off the top of someone’s head was the entire point. A blind squirrel does find a nut every now and then, and it still does not make him king of the forest!