If you want a gun-centered homelife, have at it.

Your method of saving “the innocent lives” insists upon guns being unfettered, which ASSURES the death and mayhem that accompany that mantra.

“Panels D and E nevertheless confirm previous research on the effectiveness of self-defense with a gun–crime victims who use this form of self-protection rarely lose property and rarely provoke the offender into hurting them. In property crime incidents where burglary, robbery, or other thefts were attempted, victims lost property in just 11% of the cases. Gun defenders were injured in just 5.5% of all DGU incidents. Further, in 84% of the incidents where the defender was threatened or attacked, it was the offender who first threatened or used force. In none of the eleven sample cases where gun defenders were injured was the defender the first to use or to threaten force. The victim used a gun to threaten or attack the offender only after the offender had already attacked or threatened them and usually after the offender had inflicted the injury. There is no support in this sample for the hypothesis that armed resistance provokes criminals into attacking victims; this confirms the findings of prior research.”

“Yes, Dan wouldn’t want to see the majority of people be able to fashion their government in the way they want without the parliamentary efforts of a few to promote special interests.”
–Comment by John Wilburn, 3:52 p.m. Tuesday

Regarding guns:
“What I don’t understand are the heads of households who don’t want that defensive tool and would rather chance the harm to their family. Are there really that many people who are so inept that they can’t secure their firearm?
–Comment by John Wilburn, 3:03 p.m. Tuesday

Now, JW, you’re changing the parameters of the discussion. Before, it was about being “ept” enough to secure your household firearms. Now you’re saying that it’s NOT so much a matter of securing you’re firearms, but training your kids to use/respect them so that you don’t need to worry about the guns being stored insecurely.

Dan, I saw your post but have been busy (I’m in Flordia at the moment, but working on boring office stuff). You’re beginning to put words in my mouth over things like Maddow and this, and that’s not cool. Historically, you haven’t done that.

I understand your position, but think that it’s a responsibility you don’t want. Having a gun in the house with children requires that they be raised to respect it and everyone from teens and up be trained to use it. Like a lot of things, kids who grow up being educated about something are usually well adjusted on the topic as adults…sex, drugs, guns, etc. It’s your decision to make and I respect your right to make it, but don’t agree. I think with discipline and responsibility, the scale tips the other way. It’s a discipline I have and responsibility I accept.

One thing I will say; kids who sees what kind of power guns have up close at the range are generally more safety conscious than a kid who stumbles upon an irresponsible adult’s gun in a night stand. Taking kids to the range is rewarding for the adult and child.

Shall I conclude from that you’re in agreement?

“Johnson said the man brandished a firearm after entering the store and demanded money. He made off with an undisclosed amount of cash and fled the scene without hurting anyone.”

http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/317248

78.”Sorry John Wilburn, but even when the efforts at gun control do not keep all guns out of the wrong hands every time, they are still worth it for the ones they do and it is still true that the gun rights people agree to accept the deaths and mayhem and the gun control people do not.”

So the people who were able to defend themselves don’t mean much to Sandi. I guess the casualties at VT are just collateral damage to her.

“We are trying to save lives, even if we do not have the best method figured out yet, we are at least trying. We appear to be trying alone.”

So are we…. the innocent lives.
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Kristen says it will never happen to her.

Dan says it will never happen to him. I hope they’re both right.

Warren is just being what he is.

Interestingly, my dad was at work years ago and did see a meteorite come down very nearby. I’m sure he was carrying, but fortunately didn’t need it.
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Yep, sure is, just like a VCDL and NRA member using cherry picked anecdotes as if they ameliorate the broader context, while another VCDL apologist who loves to lecture on logic stays conspicuously mum about the validity of doing so and doesn’t report any loss of sleep over gun violence that wasn’t nearby.

Or, maybe anecdotes are good reason to ignore the broader context. After all, there must a guy somewhere who let himself get obese in his twenties, or smokes, with absolutely no bad effects on his liver, cardiovascular, pulmonary or other body systems, which might mean that everyone who smokes or gets obese in their twenties will never have done anything detrimental to their body.

At least, that is, if they have guns.

(Cue the “personal choice” libertarian delusionists, as if the idea of societal costs is a fiction).