A sign they heeded on the Saturday OPEN thread
Shot, and text added, by Dan
“I could have possibly beaten Senator McCain in the primary. Then I could have been the candidate who lost to Barack Obama.”
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Saturday, May 25, 2013
THE ROANOKE TIMES
You reap what you sow.
Noticed an interesting phenomenon throughout Central Virginian during the last 2 weeks;
The preponderance of Romney/cheddarbomb campaign signs along 460 and 29 have mysteriously been replaced by an equally high number of deer carcasses. Seems they also get foolhardy and hard to reason with this time of year, just like the silly republicans were…
There’s a metaphor buried somewhere within the previous paragraph but I doubt most wing ‘tards will get it. Have fun darting across the road!
VOLVO to lay off 300..THREE HUNDRED PEOPLE…at the first of the year. Looks like my previous statement is slightly askew…it should read: WE reap what YOU`VE sewn.
Why are there two open threads?
Debbie, it’s because I screwed up. Fixed now.
Given the Amended Romney/Ryan sign pictured this slide seems appropriate. A good reason for not voting for Republicans.
http://www.connectthedotsusa.com/images/FavSlides/Framing/DebtCrisisVsGreedCrisis.jpg
Another interesting chart on Corporate, Individual & Payroll taxes since 1940.
http://www.connectthedotsusa.com/images/FavSlides/FedBudget/CorpVsIndivTaxes.jpg
One last chart to put things in perspective.
http://www.connectthedotsusa.com/images/FavSlides/FedBudget/DeficitDrivers.jpg
#1…sure do. Ask Romney and Ryan about that.
Not meaning to stir up a fight, but this one might.
http://www.connectthedotsusa.com/images/FavSlides/Healthcare/MedicareForAll.jpg
This explains why we have a medicare challenge and our healthcare costs too much.
http://www.connectthedotsusa.com/images/FavSlides/Healthcare/MedicalPriceGouging.jpg
Volvo goes through these cycles of hiring and layoffs, it’s nothing new to the eyelets there or Pulaski County residents. Phoenix Packaging in the County is hiring new people with their $20 million expansion, 100 if I remember right. When orders for new trucks pick back up, like they always do, Volvo will do a call-back of the laid-off workers. It’s been like that ever since I moved here.
That should have said employees, darn phone autocorrect.
OJ, welcome back!
Thanks for the facts Other John!
Love the charts Ron, stealing for the RT!
Information and the integrity to look at the truth when it is presented is the hallmark of Americans and I pray that we can put the vituperation of the poor, and the safety nets on hold long enough to see that they are not our real problem and that we cannot abandon that which has made us the envy of the world. When Americans no longer stick together, look out for each other and offer the safety nets (albeit with necessary reforms), what will we even be?
I love those smartphone autocorrects.
Well, Sandi…If I remember correctly, an I`m sure I do, your beloved president stated that he would bring us all together…What a laugh(crying shame)…He is the most DEVISIVE President this Country has ever seen…A hard-wired radical leftist was actually telling you he would `bring us together`..and the fools that didn`t look ino the man, believed it…you included…so quit your cry-baby speeches about `Americans sticking together`…You`re stuck with the lazy, worthless parasites that want nothing more than to steal from the people that actually go to work.
DEVISIVE is not a word, ha.
Jeff Doto, you are the “laugh(crying shame)” not our President. His is not divisive, he is not “A hard-wired radical leftist” and he has brought 62 million of us together, in case you missed that. He has been duly and overwhelmingly elected, twice. Plenty of you “fools” and your media empires looked into him and your lies, distortions and sickening POV was soundly rejected.
Americans are “sticking together” and YOU are the one being a “cry-baby”.
Something tells me you are, or want to be one of those “lazy, worthless parasites” you are so fixated on.
Nothing political here, just a question for the beer lovers. Is Devils Backbone Vienna Lager good?
“Is Devils Backbone Vienna Lager good?”
Yes!
Devil’s Backbone’s IPA is very good too!
UpTheRiver always knew a lot about beer…I’ve wondered what he thinks of the new taphouses opening all over the place it seems.
Thanks, Dan and Bill P! I saw some at a store downtown and thought if it was any good I’d buy some for my SIL for Christmas.
Debbie, that’s a great gift. BTW. Their brewery is in Lexington
I don’t like IPA’s… These types of beers seem to be to strong on the back of the palate. It is like someone sprayed perfume or hairspray in the back of your mouth. If you want a good ale, try New Castle.
The New York Times
Saturday, December 1, 2012 — 12:38 PM EST
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As Companies Seek Tax Deals, Governments Pay High Price
A New York Times investigation into the incentives that governments offer businesses has
found that states, cities and counties are giving up more than $80 billion a year to
attract or keep the companies and the jobs that they provide. The beneficiaries come from
virtually every corner of the corporate world, encompassing oil and coal conglomerates,
technology and entertainment companies, banks and big-box retail chains.
But the cost of the awards is certainly far higher. A full accounting, The Times
discovered, is not possible because the incentives are granted by thousands of government
agencies and officials, and many do not know the value of all their awards. Nor do they
know if the money was worth it because they rarely track how many jobs are created. Even
where officials do track incentives, they acknowledge that it is impossible to know
whether the jobs would have been created without the aid.
Read More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/us/how-local-taxpayers-bankroll-corporations.html?emc=na
Walmart once again shows its true colors.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/01/walmart-health-care-policy-medicaid-obamacare_n_2220152.html
I bet most of you didn’t realize this happened in the good old U.S.A.
http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/27/the-invisible-world-of-domestic-work-report-documents-abuses/?hpt=hp_c1
Ive heard that Devil’s Backbone has won 11 medals. 3 gold
last year at 2010 World Beer Cup.
Here is a bit from Washington Post…I really want to go there..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/going-out-gurus/post/devils-backbone-beer-arrives-in-northern-virginia/2012/04/20/gIQAp2Q7VT_blog.html
Re: Justin True @ 6:07 pm
I was with you up to the last point.
Nucke brown is about as good as I have found in restaurants, most places.
However, I prefer Black Douglas?
http://tinyurl.com/c7wq3ve
http://tinyurl.com/8z8flpq
http://tinyurl.com/c7wq3ve
#26 I think he’ll be happy, Bill. He loves good beers/ales. I on the other hand have never liked the taste, I prefer wine. I think it’s the Italian blood in me.
I was just reading about St. Maria Goretti, at age 11, the youngest canonized saint in history. Physically attractive and mature for her years, she was propositioned for sex at that tender age, and steadfastly refused, prompting her attacker to stab her to death. She had lived a life of hard work, taking care of her young siblings, cooking, and cleaning. She was thrust in that role as the result of her father’s death. Maria was also deeply prayerful and devoted. Her happiest moment was receiving her first Holy Communion.
She forgave her attacker on her deathbead. Her canonization in 1950 was attended by half a million mostly young people, the largest crowd ever to throng St. Peter’s square.
What a stark contrast her life was to the way kids live today. It would be very difficult to find a child in today’s America with that set of values. Few today know poverty like she knew. A story like hers, though tragic in its violence, would do incalculable good were she a minority from an American ghetto. The way this country is going, these kids desperately need a genuine authentic hero./heroine like Maria Goretti.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Goretti
North Korea was embarrassed this past week by taking an Onion story seriously. Now they seem to be writing an Onion story.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/30/north-korea-finds-secret-unicorn-lair_n_2219289.html
“A story like hers, though tragic in its violence, would do incalculable good were she a minority from an American ghetto. The way this country is going, these kids desperately need a genuine authentic hero./heroine like Maria Goretti.”
It would do children incalculable good to see an 11 year old friend murdered for saying no to a rapist? Words fail me. I simply don’t know how to respond to this.
Out in the Moneta area there are still signs for Rommey all all over the place. It is like they do not want to believe it I guess that they lost once again.
I believe the GOP is like a chicken who got hit on the head and is still not really stable. Here is hoping they stay that way.
It would do children incalculable good to see an 11 year old friend murdered for saying no to a rapist? Words fail me. I simply don’t know how to respond to this.
My point, Debbie, as I’m sure you know, is the good it would do wayward youngsters in urban America to see a contemporary live such a virtuous life as to become a canonized saint.
“My point, Debbie, as I’m sure you know, is the good it would do wayward youngsters in urban America to see a contemporary live such a virtuous life as to become a canonized saint.”
Perhaps I’m wearing rose-colored glasses, but I’m one of those old fuddy-duddies who assumes that the vast majority of 11-year-old girls are virgins. If anyone has any stats disproving his, than serve them up.
Suzie,
Many 11 year old children still spend much of their time with their families, helping, babysitting… why was she canonized again? Because her rapist had a dream? or because her Mother forgave him and then went to church with him? Would you have done the same? Would you have forgave him? And then go as far as going to Mass with him? I think that is extremely disgusting… I wouldn’t forgive him at all.
The only reason she was canonized was because of the horrific events that led to her demise, nothing more and nothing less. I think that her story is sad, but other than that it was rather disgusting.
I don’t imagine many ghetto teens are scrambling to do all the chores in addition to attending mass and saying the daily rosary.
We know the communist media would try to somehow undermine, even vilify her, but the enormity of a canonized saint would overcome even that. Even worse to the MSM is if her familly, like the Goretti familly, didn’t receive a dime of public assistance.
Children, nor adults need look to pre 1950 to see other children living a hard life and striving for their dreams:
“This report examines the living and working conditions of adolescent migrant farmworkers. Interviews were conducted with 216 youth working during peak harvest time in six states, as well as with adult farmworkers, family members of working youth, and farm labor contractors. Most of the youth were 14-17 years old, although a few had begun work as early as 11; were overwhelmingly male; and were living on their own. Very few were U.S. citizens or legal residents. Originating primarily in Mexico and Guatemala, a surprising proportion were indigenous. Adolescent farmworkers lived in the most marginal conditions within an already marginalized population. Housing was extremely crowded and substandard. Seventy percent of interviewees had only an elementary education or less. Those with at least some secondary education were generally interested in furthering their education. Migrant youth working in agriculture suffered many threats and risks to both their physical and mental health. This report makes extensive recommendations concerning needs for: longitudinal research to guide new initiatives; new educational program designs to serve out-of-school migrant youth, particularly in the areas of English language learning, numeracy, and lifelong learning skills; expanded eligibility for federal job training programs; enhanced legal protection of working youth and enhanced enforcement of existing regulations; improved migrant health programs and migrant housing; and new strategies to manage the influx of transnational migrant youth into the U.S. farm labor market.”
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED469135&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=ED469135
And if they need a video:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7416542n
Re: Dan Casey @ 6:36 pm
Could it be that resisting to the point of death defines their religion’s concept of adequate resistance to rape, for some?
OTOH see: http://scholarship.law.stjohns.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1800&context=lawreview
And see: http://digitalcommons.lmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1419&context=llr — Dated (1983) but a good read nevertheless.
Also see: http://tinyurl.com/cnsnxu9
Re: Debbie @ 1:27 pm
Well said!
Only someone w/o kids could think otherwise, IMHO.
Sounds awful close to religious ethics of “honor killings.” Could it be common of theocracies?
Great article and thanks for the link Debbie #28!
#38 More than amusing. The troll who used to have a young slut as her avatar, now has a saint.
Suzie, doubtless, there are thousands of young women and men – children – who suffer hunger, homelessness, and indignity daily. They are good kids who try desparately to survive and to do the right thing. They hope for better days, but that hope is often extinguished by the crush of poverty. Whether born into economic hardship or thrust there by unfortunate circumstances, these children think only of living from minute to minute, day to day, because that is what they do to survive.
Suzie, with all due respect, these are the people you rail against as takers. These are the folks you ridicule mercilessly. “Just Say No” does not work for poverty. Go back to your church and review its teachings on how society should treat those among us who are less fortunate. Our young people don’t need a Saint; they need us to listen, to understand, and to guide with empathy.
Go back to your church and review its teachings on how society should treat those among us who are less fortunate. Our young people don’t need a Saint; they need us to listen, to understand, and to guide with empathy.
Nosaj,
Poverty does not necessitate young people having sex outside of marriage, having abortions, doing drugs, or committing other sins. Poor people still have free will. But society has degenerated such that is now glorifies or at least allows such acts without applying a stigma. Ghetto teen desperately need a role model of chastity, purity, and virtue. A ghetto Maria Goretti would do so much good.
The only reason she was canonized was because of the horrific events that led to her demise, nothing more and nothing less. I think that her story is sad, but other than that it was rather disgusting.
Plenty of girls get murdered and don’t become saints. I will agree Maria got noticed because of the murder. But she was also unusually pious for a youngster. And she died defending her religous beliefs, and as such became a martyr. Catholics believe that is a ticket to heaven. Then there was her kind words for her killer, and then his dramatic turnaround. Finally, there were the miracles attributed to her intercession.
Here’s an interesting tidbit. Maria Goretti’s mother was the first and only parent to witness the canonization ceremony of her child. That’s really amazing because the process takes many years. Just the right circumstances had to fall into place.
Watching your kid declared a saint in front of 500,000 people has to be the ultimate rush. I’ll bet it’s even better than an athletic scholarship. It’s like the ultimate Hall of Fame.
“And she died defending her religous beliefs, and as such became a martyr. Catholics believe that is a ticket to heaven.”
There are some Muslims who think the same way. They were aboard the planes that struck the WTC and the Pentagon, btw.
#41 “I don’t imagine many ghetto teens are scrambling to do all the chores in addition to attending mass and saying the daily rosary.”
You don’t IMAGINE? Well, let’s see, you’re certainly right about the many ghetto teens who aren’t even Catholic. I’m not sure why you would want them attending mass and saying the rosary anyway. Wouldn’t make much sense would it?
As usual, suzie is putting down a whole group of people.
#50 “Watching your kid declared a saint in front of 500,000 people has to be the ultimate rush.”
The “ultimate rush” for virtually any mother I know would have been to have seen her daughter grow up and become a fantastic adult. Period.
Are you just stupid or are you taking your trolling to new levels?
Suzie, is that how you see poverty – sex, abortion, drugs, and other sins? Sad. You are part of the problem.
Dan Casey @ 10:05 pm
But would they get 72 virgins as well as automatically going to heaven?
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Suzie @ 9:58 pm
Automatic ticket to heaven? Jealous of missing an opportunity?
There are some Muslims who think the same way. They were aboard the planes that struck the WTC and the Pentagon, btw.
What a perverted comparison. Catholic martyrs refuse to renounce their faith at the threat of death. Muslims’ martyrdom is based on killing nonbelievers.
Well, let’s see, you’re certainly right about the many ghetto teens who aren’t even Catholic. I’m not sure why you would want them attending mass and saying the rosary anyway.
That was my exact point. That’s why such a person would be a huge and sorely needed role model for them. It would convert a number of them to Catholicism and lead even more to chaste lives.
41.I don’t imagine many ghetto teens are scrambling to do all the chores in addition to attending mass and saying the daily rosary.
Auto-correct suggests:
“I don’t think many Southwest Roanoke County teens are scrambling to do all the chores in addition to attending mass and saying the rosary.”
Suzie,
What I don’t get is how you consider her so pious? You say she was because she stated to her rapist murderer that rape was a sin, and god was against rape. And this is why she was canonized? So what of your heroes, Santorum, Romney, and all of your other cult leaders who claimed rape to be a gift from your god?
Is rape a gift from god? or is it not a gift from god? Let me guess… Catholics take this on a case-by-case basis right? I guess we are all to assume all the children priests have raped over the years to be a gift from god.
Suzie claims it to be a rush to see a child canonized… I think this is far more of a rush. The most astounding fact!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9D05ej8u-gU
#57 suzie, I really don’t think we need any more child-rearing advice from a person who thinks that a mother’s ultimate thrill would be to lose her child die at a very young age and then have that child declared a saint.
“Her happiest moment was receiving her first Holy Communion.”
Not uncommon among people who aren’t getting any.
Umm, Kristen, she was referring to an 11 year old girl.
BTW the way, Suzie, being poor doesn’t mean that a young person is not taught morals, or religious values. Not every urban young person is having sex and/or doing drugs. Not every suburban young person from “good homes” are abstaining from sex or drugs either. Stereotyping is blinding yourself.
Re: Justin True 2 @ 6:11 am
Outstanding.
BTW folk, read all the comments also. good stuff.
51.“And she died defending her religous beliefs, and as such became a martyr. Catholics believe that is a ticket to heaven.”
There are some Muslims who think the same way. They were aboard the planes that struck the WTC and the Pentagon, btw.
Comment by Dan Casey — December 2, 2012 @ 10:05 pm
IMHO…you owe an apology to all on this board. If you thought before you
blogged you would see the fallacy of your logic. What if the young girl
was your daughter…would that alter your logic?
62.“Her happiest moment was receiving her first Holy Communion.”
Not uncommon among people who aren’t getting any.
Comment by Kristen — December 3, 2012 @ 9:17 am
Thanks for letting us know where you stand…or lay.
“Her happiest moment was receiving her first Holy Communion.”
Not uncommon among people who aren’t getting any.
This was an 11-year-old child, Kristen.
Re: gdad — @ 8:39 am
Bingo!
As I said earlier “Only someone w/o kids….”
Most of the the women that I know (even those w/o kids) would never be so obdurately uncompassionate.
Debbie et al, I’m perfectly aware of whom Suzie was referring to. And I have no remote intention of taking this bs foray into sainthood seriously. It’s already sucking up way too much oxygen here.
Re: Leon @ 10:16 am
“What if the young girl was your daughter…would that alter your logic?”
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Dan can speak for himself.
As for me, I would have known she was a gift from God long before the tragedy.
Saint or sinner (or more likely Saint and sinner) she would be my beloved daughter. Beloved as Saint and sinner — because of … and in spite of …. That’s the way I feed about my kids, grand-kids and great-grand-daughter — all of them.
The circumstances of a daughter’s death and what some church official said about her life would matter little to my memory or to my opinion of her. She would not have changed. She would be who she had always been. Nothing a Church could do would change that. She was!
Such a horrendous death, as Suzie is reveling in, would likely affect me, OTOH. The effect on my personality might be noticeable. I cannot predict the effect on my worldview. If there were a role for the church it might be helping me through that distress. But that would not define my child.
I am reminded of two funerals I attended a couple years back. Following the first one, two surviving daughters where distressed about all the wrong, highly aggrandized, self-serving, information the Officiant spouted about their mother. I had know the deceased and they were right. She had been the most mean spirited, selfish person I had ever known.
After another funeral, I was walking out of the Church with the deceased woman’s oldest son, when he turned to me and said “That was some eulogy.” I said, “Wish I had known her.” He laughed and said “Me too, I wonder who he was talking about; wonder who he had her mixed up with?”
Dave Hicks @ 11:21 am, well said.
As for funerals, I think the best (for lack of a beter word) one I have ever been to, was my maternal grandmother’s a few years ago. The minister was a man who had known her and my family his entire life. She was his Sunday School teacher when he was 5 years old, and he said he still has the New Testament that she gave him for Christmas that year. It was a very personal and moving service.
So I see most ill-informed has gone from a cheerleader avatar to a female hillbilly avatar to a saint’s avatar…I see the mental decline in pictures.
Debbie et al, I’m perfectly aware of whom Suzie was referring to
So you meant to say an 11-year-old wasn’t “getting any”?
#73 So, suzie, you meant to say that a parent’s ultimate rush would be to have their child die at a young age and be declared a saint?
Re: gdad — December 3, 2012 @ 11:30 pm
See: #44 @ http://tinyurl.com/a7sbu7x
Only someone w/o kids — and then not all of those w/o kids, for that matter.
Also, note that faux St Suzie has yet to explain the conceptual difference between her (her religion’s?) concept of adequate resistance to rape Vs. honor killings.
Same thing with different actors & time-lines?