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Here comes your 2013 income tax increase!

As 2012 draws to an end and 2013 is about to dawn, it might be worth your while to give a shout out to your local congressman and thank him for the tax increase you’re about to get, and the resulting spanking that will deliver to our economy. Because despite the best efforts of many Democrats in government to spare the poor and middle class from tax increases that will take effect Jan. 1, the Republican Party has made sure that EVERYONE’s gonna get hit by the taxman.

For this we can thank our own representatives — Republicans all — Bob Goodlatte, Morgan Griffith, and Robert Hurt. Click on those links for their contact information.

A bit of a recap here: Back in 2001, we had a projected budget surplus that amounted to trillions of dollars over a 10-year period. Basically, that meant the government was going to take in way more in revenue than it would spend on government programs.

We should have used that excess money to pay down the federal debt (the accumulated sum of all prior deficits). But President George W. Bush had a better idea that he sold to the Republicans who controlled both chambers of Congress at the time: Tax cuts for EVERYONE!

The Bush tax cuts, enacted in 2001 and 2003 by Republicans in Congress, were ALWAYS specifically designed to be a temporary 10-year deal. There was no way the GOP could have gotten them passed without that provision.

They cut income taxes on most people, although the wealthiest taxpayers were the ones who saved the most by far after they went into effect. Not coincidentally, these were some of the same people who contributed the most money to George W. Bush’s presidential campaign. (Yes, they got back far more than what they invested in his campaign).

Anyway, President Obama ran for election in 2008 in the midst of a severe recession. He promised to extend those cuts only for families making $250,000 or less and single individuals earning $200,000 or less. His theory: we were in a recession, and he didn’t want to discourage consumer spending, which could worsen the economy. The middle class and poor spend all most all of their money in the economy, after all. This is eminently sensible economics.

But in 2010, Republicans in Congress balked about extending the tax cuts only for those individuals. And Democrats in Congress, who at that time had a majority, were too chicken to force them through. So Congress cut a deal with the President to kick the can down the road for 2 years by extending the tax cuts for everyone. Which is where we are now.

Obama, meanwhile, vowed to veto any bill future Congress sent him that extended tax cuts again for earners above $250,000.

Republicans in Congress, such as the three fellows above, are still balking. They are more or less united that they’d extend the tax cuts for the poor ONLY if those cuts could be extended on their rich patrons, too. GOP members of the House even balked when their own leader,  House Speaker John Boehner, tried to slip in a small income  tax increase on people who earned more than $1 million a year. “No way!” his own party cried. Boehner’s own plan fell apart because of opposition from the GOP members of the house.

So now the taxes will go up on everyone, apparently. That, combined with automatic spending cuts, is the “fiscal cliff” everyone is talking about.

Unless Congress comes to its senses, the fiscal cliff carries with it a great possibility that we’ll head into recession next year.

That’s why you should email or call in your thanks — or perhaps some other sentiment — to the three gentlemen above. As much as anyone else in Congress, they’ve helped drive this nation over the fiscal cliff.

 

 

 

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110 COMMENTS

  1. Cold n P | December 27, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Here’s some interesting news I’ll post on this thread since we have no open today. Hope you are enjoying your vacation Dan.

    Was this a Coup? Or an Armeyed robbery? Pun intended.

    “It was just after Labor Day, writes Amy Gardner in the Post, when Armey stormed the offices of FreedomWorks with a conspicuously armed aide in an attempt to seize control of the organization.

    Richard K. Armey, the group’s chairman and a former House majority leader, walked into the group’s Capitol Hill offices with his wife, Susan, and an aide holstering a handgun at his waist. The aim was to seize control of the group and expel Armey’s enemies: The gun-wielding assistant escorted FreedomWorks’ top two employees off the premises, while Armey suspended several others who broke down in sobs at the news.
    “The coup lasted all of six days,” Gardner reports. “By Sept. 10, Armey was gone — with a promise of $8 million — and the five ousted employees were back.””

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/dick-armey-literally-mounted-armed-coup-at-tea-party-group-prior-to-his-ouster-according-to-report/

    This is so why America has a major problem with the tea party. Is this 2012? or 1933?

  2. Rob | December 27, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    If everyone benefited from tax cuts in 2001 and 2003, then everyone should have their taxes go up. I’m not in the ‘rich’ category, but fair is fair.

  3. NU SCOTT | December 27, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    This was a ten year deal and this is year 10. We had a 10 year vacation and now it’s back to work. If that was the deal why are we even arguing about the tax hike? Let it go and start working on something else…..

  4. Cold n P | December 27, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    BTW Morgan. I voted for you in 2010, against you in 2012 and hopefully you will lose you job in 2014. 2010? My bad. It won’t happen again.

  5. wayne goodman | December 27, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    There are few Congressmen who do less while occupying space and drawing a salary than these three. They are a waste of time and valuable resources. Bob Goodlatte lied when he pledged to term limit himself. He reneged on that pledge but not the one to Grover Norquist. Goodlattes’s two chief claims to fame are wasting the time of Congress with an unpassable and irresponsible balanced budget amendment every year and having the Constitution read before the beginning of each neew Congress. Morgaqn Griffith spends all his time trying to enrich the coal mine owners at the expense of the health and safety of his constituents. And I have yet to hear of anytthing positive, or just anything at all, that Hurt has accomplished.If these people are “representative”f the citizens of southwest va., southside, and the Roanoke and lower Shenandoah valleys, God help us all.

  6. Dan Casey | December 27, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Cold,

    Dick Armey shook down Freedom Works for $8 million. God, I love it! These Tea Party guys are all grifters, and it’s becoming more and more obvious every day.

  7. Dan Casey | December 27, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Rob,

    Even if it costs the economy? If if it sinks and unemployment goes up? Even if the rich lose MORE when everyone’s taxes go up than they would lose if only their own taxes go up?

  8. Ron May | December 27, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Dan,

    You will recall a letter I sent to you and posted on Oct. 26 in which I blamed both sides for the poisoness nature of our politcal system. While I believe the Republicans carry more of the blame for this mess, dating back to 2001, there has been a failure of leadership on both sides.

    After the election results were in, in mid November, President Obama should have gathered the Congressional leadership from both sides, along with business leaders, etc. and taken them to Camp David or somewhere out of Washington, DC and kept them there until a balanced agreement could be reached. Instead, we got half hearted attempts at talking with one another, but mostly continued bomb throwing. That’s why we are where we are right now.

    Somehow, someone with sufficient “cahones” is going to have to stand up and take charge. No one leaves town until the job is done.

    If you will go back and read that letter you will find I also said something about “the chickens having come home to roost.” The bill is due and has to be paid. We all are going to have to pay this bill for years to come.

  9. Frank | December 27, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    who cares if we go over the cliff? the libs as led by reid and obama don’t.

    reid and obama’s actions at the edge of the “cliff” remind me of brer’ wabbit… i say, lets’ go!

  10. Suzie | December 27, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Notice how the CPUSA that controls the media (including Dan) never asks obama to budge an inch.

    These are obama’s tax increases. Any contention to the contrary is just plain stupid.

  11. Rob | December 27, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    Dan,
    Yes, even if it hurts the economy. Like tough love, everyone needs to feel pain in order to learn a lesson. The lesson is that nothing is free. Responsible government is a balance of responsible spending and responsible taxation. Everyone benefits from a responsible government and everyone should feel the pain of an irresponsible government. Republicans and Democrats alike.

  12. Ron May | December 27, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    10.Notice how the CPUSA that controls the media (including Dan) never asks obama to budge an inch.

    These are obama’s tax increases. Any contention to the contrary is just plain stupid.

    Comment by Suzie — December 27, 2012 @ 5:57 pm

    Not really Suzie and you know that. These tax increases were scheduled, by GWB & his Republican cohorts, to expire in 2011. The truth is they should never have been put in place in the first place. Our nation would have trillions of dollars of less debt had GWB & his cohorts not approved them in the first place.

  13. Art Hill | December 27, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    “..everyone needs to feel pain in order to learn a lesson. “

    Except the rich aren’t feeling any pain. This is a poor-man’s recession, BushCo knew exactly what they were doing and who they were fleecing.

  14. John Wilburn | December 27, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Cold n P:

    “BTW Morgan. I voted for you in 2010, against you in 2012 and hopefully you will lose you job in 2014. 2010? My bad. It won’t happen again.”

    BTW, Mr. Griffith, I was torn between you and Boucher in 2010, voted for you in 2012, and plan to vote to help you keep your seat in 2014.

  15. Henry | December 27, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    The Republicans have offered to keep the existing tax structures in place. Will the President sign the existing tax structures?
    The White House says “No”.
    That means the President is responsible for the tax increases.

    Keep the existing tax policies!!!!

  16. Dan Casey | December 27, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Nice try Henry but the status quo is for all the tax cuts to end. The Republicans designed it that way. Will the Republicans agree to keep the existing tax structures in place for 98 percent of the poplace? No? Then the status quo it is!

  17. Art Hill | December 27, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    RIP Stormin’ Norman.

  18. Pirengle | December 27, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    John Fugelsang’s Twitter today: When you call it “The Going Back To The Same Tax Rates We All Paid Under Clinton Cliff” it loses just a bit of the menace. http://twitter.com/JohnFugelsang/statuses/284314580530888704

  19. gdad | December 27, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Sad to hear, John W, that you enjoy voting for fools like Griffith. What a waste of space.

  20. gdad | December 27, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    “…never asks obama to budge an inch.”

    suzie is well aware Obama has budged plenty. Yet she continues to post lies like this.

  21. Chuck | December 27, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Dan seems to think that allowing the economy to plunge over the cliff will somehow be okay as long as he and the rest of the media can convince the public it’s the Republican’s fault. Yo Dan, what sore of compromise plan have the dems put forth? So far I’ve heard Reid say the “only” way to avoid the cliff is to pass the dems plan as it exists. Conservatives have offered other ideas that do include tax increases on the wealthy but dems have refused to budge. So tell me, if the dems have offered nothing and refuse to consider anything but their own plan, how can you say the republicans are the ones who refuse to compromise? I guess we are still on the liberal definition of compromise, that being that the other side completely caves and acquiesces to all liberal demands.

  22. Cold n P | December 27, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Dan, I just don’t understand why the hero’s at freedom works didn’t whip out their weapons and shoot the bad guy…. or was it a “Gun Free Zone”

  23. Cold n P | December 27, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    I mean really, strong Armeyed robbery?

  24. Art Hill | December 27, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    “Conservatives have offered other ideas that do include tax increases on the wealthy”

    Yo, Chuck. Boehner got his arse handed to him by the Teahadists on Plan B. There is no House Republican offer to raise taxes on anyone…yet. Try and keep up.

  25. Henry | December 27, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    The Democrats control most of the government. They are responsible for whatever happens.

  26. Leon | December 27, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Dan,

    Really like the satire. These tax increases plus the ObamaCare taxes are all owned by the uncomprising UnPresident Obama. On the bright side. . .sequestration cuts kick in which are really needed and owned by the common sense Republicans. Hope the AMT really makes you howl!

    BTW Gdad@20: the present administration as never had a budget passed. . .four years. . .and the last one Obama submitted garnered not one vote. . .Republican or Democrat. Bet you can’t wait for Obama to trade your 401(k) liquidity for T-bills; this too coming to a cliff near
    you!

  27. Newman | December 27, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Quote of the day:
    “please put the harps back in the closet.”–former Pres. George H.W. Bush

    I don’t care if you’re a Republican or Democrat, this is a great line.

  28. Common $en$e | December 27, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Dan, As my grandmother used to say, “Stop making a Mountain out of a Mole Hill”. What is the real cost of the Cliff? $1,500 a family per year? I would pay double that if you and the rest of the NEWS MAKERS would stop discussing it. It is a small issue. Chances are good we would have slipped into recession next year anyway. You are worring about the light bulb that has blown out on the Titanic. There is a much larger issue that needs to be addressed.

  29. James | December 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Let’s see, Obama’s proposal to avoid this cliff is tied to raising the debt ceiling (again) WITHOUT needing the approval of Congress and providing another stimulus for 2013???? His shovel ready projects seemed to have worked great so far……

  30. Sandi Saunders | December 27, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Henry are you still struggling with the definition of “control”? You know better. This nation knows who is to blame. And it is not the Dems.

  31. Captain Adventure | December 27, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    I’ve just realized why I’ll never vote for a Democrat again in my life. It will always be Bush’s fault, the Democrats don’t want to raise taxes,”Obama has budged plenty”, “Republicans designed the tax cuts to end”, and “Tea Party guys are all grifters”. Everyone that voted for Obama deserves to pay higher taxes and everything else that comes with him. I’m thinking that all this dialogue here is as much a waste of time as a conversation between Obama and anyone that doesn’t agree with him. Let’s go over the “cliff”. It’ll be an adventure and we’ll see who takes the “blame”. Conservatives should hold their ground, Democrats can do whatever they want, they have already proved that over the past 4 years.

  32. gdad | December 27, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Henry, has your brain been turned to mush by Freepers?

  33. Frank | December 27, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    hey leon,

    well said, man!

  34. gdad | December 27, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    What’s really silly about suzie’s CPUSA BS is that there’s not really even a left left in the U.S. The country has lurched so massively and destructively right that Obama is center right and Goldwater and Reagan would be Democrats. Sad.

  35. Kristen | December 27, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Bohner pays lip service to the American people by magnanimously offers up an increase on people making $80 squadrillion dollars and can’t even deliver his caucus for THAT idiocy.
    Obama needs to return to his $250k number and not budge. No reason for him to be driven over the cliff while throwing up offers and give-aways to the GOP.

  36. Art Hill | December 27, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Agree with Captain America, let’s call the Republican’s bluff.

  37. Mike3 | December 27, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Any tax code primarily supposed upon by a governments definition of wealthy and middle class is relative and likely subject to constant negative change and poor consequences. Currently, over a million is defined wealthy and under $250K is presumably middle class.At the current rate of the working citizen taxable base decreasing yearly,people actually working,the term middle class soon will be relatively defined as arguably $100K -now that’s gonna be a cliff that’s run out of money real soon.What will be considered wealthy , then?

  38. Cold n P | December 27, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    The GOTP death grip throwing the American Middle class over the cliff will have little affect on me. I say bring it. I do feel sorry for the soldiers, elderly, poor and out of work souls who will be affected by the GOTP induced fiscal cliff. If it means waking up America to the stupidity of the GOTP, then I say its OK, we will survive and recover. Eventually, and the GOTP will go the way of the WHIGS, Tories, Jacksonian Democrats, Bull Moose party, etc. I’m sure it will be replaced by a party more in tune with the needs of the American people. After all, this is the 21st Century, not the 19th. Time to Move Forward.

    I fully pray that Obama will not give in to the GOTP Thuggies this year and call their bluff, come what may.

  39. Big Momma | December 28, 2012 at 12:03 am

    There is plenty of blame to go around. I am sick of them all and truly believe they all should go, yet I hold out just a little hope that a deal can be made with results that are long term. Short term patches and kicking the can down the road is not what we need.

    I hope you all had a Merry Christmas and with that the New Year brings you much happiness and joy.

  40. Big Momma | December 28, 2012 at 12:05 am

    *sorry, “wish that the New Year brings you much happiness and joy.”

    May your fortunes in the coming year be greater than my ability to spell.

  41. Another Chuck | December 28, 2012 at 12:41 am

    Budget surplus in 2001= we didn’t spent more than the projected increases in spending. We still spent more than we took in! The fact that is is continually referenced as a huge fiscal victory is 99% of the problem. The baseline MUST be a balanced budget.

  42. Eddie | December 28, 2012 at 12:44 am

    Two points about Dan’s post. Our surpluses didn’t end under Bush because revenues went down, because they went up by a higher rate than we’ve seen in a long time. All you low informational Dems can look this up with just a quick Google search. That’s right, you can raise a lot of money with a 4 percent unemployment rate. I love how Dems capitalize on the costs of 9/11 and the housing bubble they created and then mask it as “Bush’s failed polices”. Also, like Dan’s post, the Dems won’t talk about reducing spending which is our real problem. Even the Dem on Obama’s debt committee says the president isn’t serious about reducing spending. That’s why these three guys and their fellow Republicans have to hold the line on tax increases. Who cares if they were set to expire 10 years ago. The question is should they go up in this economy. And if they do, it looks like the Dems will own that decision and the mess that comes with it.

  43. Cold n P | December 28, 2012 at 1:20 am

    Merry Christmas and Happy New year to you too Big Momma!

  44. Cold n P | December 28, 2012 at 1:25 am

    Eddie, you need to watch something other than Faux News buddy. It don’t wash. The GOTP has done nothing but obstruct this president on every turn for 4 years and are totally pissed off the guy won.

    Americans know who to blame for the coming economic tsunami. The GOTP. Own it. Breath it. Watch your party die with it.

  45. Eddie | December 28, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Cold n P, I watch all news including MSNBC to get all sides. Unfortunately, too much of your party only watches MTV. The Dems have enough uninformed voters to win a few elections, but these polices will catch up to our childern some day. My party helped get us in this mess with excessive spending, but now they are the only ones getting serious about stopping it.

  46. Frank | December 28, 2012 at 7:51 am

    hey cold np,

    sooo, did the dems work with Bush after he won? Ahhh, nope.

  47. Sandi Saunders | December 28, 2012 at 7:52 am

    Gee “Captain Adventure”, we are sure sorry to lose such a stellar and informed vote.

    Eddie, your lame blame game is not going to work. This nation already decided who they believe and believe in. It is not the GOTP! (Thanks for that one Cold!)

    Thanks Big Momma, and the same back at you. I hope 2013 is happy and productive for us all.

    I wish there had been enough change to gain us a better Congress. Alas, I fear we are doomed until we vote smarter in that arena. Why we invest so in the President when it is these clowns killing us is anyone’s guess.

  48. Suzie | December 28, 2012 at 8:07 am

    The Bush tax cuts favored the poor and middle class. obama will not support continuing the existing tax structure. this is clearly on him.

  49. John Wilburn | December 28, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Another Chuck:

    “Budget surplus in 2001= we didn’t spent more than the projected increases in spending. We still spent more than we took in! The fact that is is continually referenced as a huge fiscal victory is 99% of the problem. The baseline MUST be a balanced budget.”

    What gets me is how these same people who approve of this disaster are asking how we can afford to arm the schools.

  50. Scott M. | December 28, 2012 at 9:57 am

    @46 Suzie says, “The Bush tax cuts favored the poor and middle class.”

    Today must be Opposite Day.

  51. Bill Perdue | December 28, 2012 at 10:02 am

    John Wilburn, if you want place armed guards in schools, how about a “user tax” on guns and ammo. Kinda like a “sin tax” on cigs and alcohol – only impacts “the user”.

  52. Hillary | December 28, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Well fellow bloggers – it’s baby watch time! Hopefully some time today my husband and I will be grandparents to a baby boy…
    What a joyous day today will be… [or maybe tomorrow?]

    This little guy was due in January, but decided to come early to give his parents a tax deduction in 2012…

  53. Another Chuck | December 28, 2012 at 10:26 am

    What gets me is how these same people who approve of this disaster are asking how we can afford to arm the schools.

    Comment by John Wilburn — December 28, 2012 @ 9:10 am

    I agree, John. Many liberals base policy on emotional reaction rather than thinking about what will really solve problems. It’s obvious that if you have a psycho willing to die to shoot up a public venue, the only way to stop him quickly is to for someone to be at the scene with the equivalent weapons to fight back.

    The sad reality is, in a free society, there is a certain implied risk to being a human being, which includes the very small chance that we might be at a venue where a madman erupts. We cannot legislate this minimal risk away.

  54. wayne goodman | December 28, 2012 at 10:30 am

    I didn’t frequently agree with George H. W. Bush. But he got it right in the first Iraq war, he correctly described trickle down as “voodoo economics” and when it became clear that a tax increase was necessary he stepped up to the plate despite the political consequences. I consider him a gentleman and a patriot and hope he recovers from his cuurent health issues,

    http://news.yahoo.com/former-president-george-h-w-bush-remains-intensive-011223514.html

  55. Kristen | December 28, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Wow Hillary…what an exciting holiday season for your family. Congrats and best wishes.

  56. Cold n P | December 28, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Bill Perdue. Right on. I will gladly pay increased Ammo and a gun tax, heck I think the State needs to start collecting a “users fee” for upkeep of public shooting ranges.

    That would pay for JW’s Armed Guards.

  57. Ron May | December 28, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Best Wishes Hillary! Hope that baby gets here promptly and in good health!! :)

  58. dobbs | December 28, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Congratulations, Grandma Hillary. Perhaps the little guy is trying to make it in time for tonight’s kickoff.

  59. Hillary | December 28, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Thanks all – we are off to the hospital with a goody bag for my son and his mother in law. They’ve been at the hospital since 7am…

    This is so exciting…

  60. wayne goodman | December 28, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Hillary

    If that’s your first grandchild, you’re in nfor a special treat. If it’s not your first grandchild you’re still in fr a special treat. It gets better each time! My grandchildren, all nine of them, make life special.
    So congrats and good luck!

  61. Hillary | December 28, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Wayne [still hard not to type Dave] This little guy is our first and maybe if we are as lucky as you, he won’t be our last!

  62. Debbie | December 28, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Congratulations Hillary!

  63. Laura | December 28, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Mazel tov, Hillary! I hope the labor and delivery is speedy and uneventful (beyond the event itself, of course).

  64. Debbie | December 28, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    This is the first time in years that my daughter and her family haven’t come in for Christmas. They’ve all got the flu. My grandson caught it first, then my daughter, now my son in law and grandaughter have it. They all got flu shots this year too.

  65. Sandi Saunders | December 28, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Congratulations to all Hillary! There is nothing so precious and daunting!

  66. Sandi Saunders | December 28, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Another Chuck, you are right, “The sad reality is, in a free society, there is a certain implied risk to being a human being, which includes the very small chance that we might be at a venue where a madman erupts”. Funny how “We cannot legislate this minimal risk away” but you all can “gun” it away though. You folks manage to make me feel brave.

  67. Sandi Saunders | December 28, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    That is a real bummer Debbie. Sorry for you and them!

  68. Debbie | December 28, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Thank you, Sandi. At least it didn’t hit all of them at the exact same time. It was staggered out a little.

  69. Debbie | December 28, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Welcome to the Grandparents Club, Hillary! It’s a wonderful club to join.

  70. Frank | December 28, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    yeah, grandkids are pretty neat. congratulations!

    we had a grandkiddie excursion day in my soccer mom odessy vehicle several weeks ago, and went to joe’s tree farm in craig co. to get our tree. the wife and i sang Christmas Carols with the 4 grandkiddies on the way up, and put in a frosty the snowman dvd for them to watch on the way back. half way home, one of the little 3 yr olds calls out, “hey grandpa, you need a bigger tv back here”…

    thankfully, my wife intervened, and the little man was able to ride home with us the rest of the way…

  71. Suzie | December 28, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    All obama has to do is propose to keep the Bush tax cuts just as they are, and the GOP would drop the spending cuts demands and agree to a deal. But no, obama is intent on raising taxes. Why?

  72. mike o | December 28, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Kristen,
    I recall your post on another thread about the congress not doing their job (with which I agreed). Thought you might find it funny that Obama thinks they deserve a raise.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-orders-raise-biden-members-congress-federal-workers_692223.html

    Another Chuck re: 12:41, and Eddie: 12:44
    Truth and facts are not allowed here…lol

  73. mike o | December 28, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    congrats hillary

  74. Hillary | December 28, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Hip hip hooray! Grandson entered the world at 13:13 [military time] weighing in at 6lb 13oz. His due date was Jan 8th, but guess he couldn’t wait. Oh and did I mention he is the most beautiful baby?
    Daughter in law and son and baby are doing great.

    Thanks to all for your kind thoughts…

  75. Debbie | December 28, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    3 year olds know no boundaries, Frank. :-)

  76. John Wilburn | December 28, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Bill Perdue:

    “John Wilburn, if you want place armed guards in schools, how about a “user tax” on guns and ammo. Kinda like a “sin tax” on cigs and alcohol – only impacts “the user”.”

    This makes no sense. The firearms that would be in the schools are in the schools for the benefit of the schools’ security, not my security – I already have my security. Why on earth should I pay for their security?

    It’s not my house that has an invading madman problem.

  77. Dan Casey | December 28, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Congrats, Hillary!

  78. Art Hill | December 28, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    “My party helped get us in this mess with excessive spending, but now they are the only ones getting serious about stopping it.”

    You should work for Fox.

  79. Jason Perdue | December 28, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Congratulations, Hillary!

  80. Cold n P | December 28, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    @76 Sure it makes sense JW. Alcohol and Cigs kill some people yet leave others untouched with illness. Yet all people who use these products pay extra taxes to care for those who get sick.

    People who use guns kill people. Not all people who use guns kill people, however, all people who use guns should pay an extra tax to pay for the mess people who do kill people make. It may not make sense to you JW, but many will make this sensible connection.

  81. pammala | December 29, 2012 at 8:19 am
  82. Debbie | December 29, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Yay, Hillary!!

  83. John Wilburn | December 29, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Cold n P:

    “@76 Sure it makes sense JW. Alcohol and Cigs kill some people yet leave others untouched with illness. Yet all people who use these products pay extra taxes to care for those who get sick.”

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. My RIGHT to self defense should have no murdered tax surcharge attached. This is another absurd way to reduce personal responsibiity.

    “It may not make sense to you JW, but many will make this sensible connection.”

    Many people make sensible connections between suicide bombings and 72 virignis in heaven too.

  84. pammala | December 29, 2012 at 8:43 am

    oh is it over its amnesia, poor dear

  85. pammala | December 29, 2012 at 8:44 am

    oh well sincer I dont read all the bs on here, guess you werent talking about rodham…surprise

  86. tomr | December 29, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Thank you BO, for taking a hard stand on making sure that everyone pays- following the Republican’s lead, of course. I’ll be laughing in four years when we are in the midst of a depression and BO, along with his hacks, will still be trying to paint the less than powerful minority party as the cause of all the woes. Thankfully, there will be people that actually are producing wealth still around to make the wheels turn. Obama can tax all he wants, but there are plenty of smart producers who know how to keep the money out of the fed’s hands. I wonder what all the liberal talkers and bloggers will be doing to sustain themselves?

  87. Andrew | December 29, 2012 at 10:42 am

    This isn’t a tax increase. It’s the expiration of a temporary cut we never could afford.

  88. Another Chuck | December 29, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Our glorious President used an executive order to increase the pay of Congress, the Senate and upper level government workers. This has to be a joke…and the joke is on us, the taxpayer.

    Hillary, congrats on the new addition to family. Also, I’m happy the parents are able to get the child deduction this year. I would much rather they have the money to spend as needed than to send another penny to the pathetic Federal government.

  89. Kristen | December 29, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    We’ve long since stopped expecting you to read, pammalala.

  90. Debbie | December 29, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Pammala, what on earth were you talking about?

  91. Kristen | December 29, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Debbie, you said “Hillary” and pammalala decided to insert her great wit with a comment about Hillary Clinton because she’s incapable of reading enough of the thread to gather the context.

  92. Cold n P | December 29, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    “Two wrongs don’t make a right.”

    So I take it you’re against taxing Cigarettes and Alcohol by your response?

  93. Debbie | December 29, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Ahh, thank you, Kristen.

  94. gdad | December 29, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    pammala, are you off the wagon?

  95. Suzie | December 30, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Republicans alone are responsible for the tax increase once the Bush tax cuts expire

    Sorry, the Republicans are willing to extend the Bush tax cuts as they are. obama isn’t. It’s as simple as that.

  96. Kristen | December 30, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Hey pammalala, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was admitted to the hospital for a blod clot resulting from her concussion. Probably not enough for you people.

  97. Debbie | December 31, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Frank, regarding your Christmas tree excursion, great job building memories for your grandchildren!

  98. Frank | December 31, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Thank you, Debbie. It was a fun trip for all of us. Happy New Year to you and yours’!

  99. Frank | December 31, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    hey kristen,

    it is my understanding that hillary was admitted to the hospital following her earlier pleas to not have to testify about Benghazi due to being “too tired” …which led to her ensuing “fall” …which led to her “clot”, which leads her, now, to hospital for “further rest and tests”.

    Her two biggest fears now, of course, are for some doc to admit that there is no medical reason for her, ahh, “illness”, and that she’ll have to go to Capital Hill to li, oops, ahh, “testify”…about Benghazi. Her other fear is that some enterprising doc will discover that her greatest medical issue is the incessant, unrelenting, roaring that reverberates in the gaping empty space between her ears…leading her to emit periodic shrill screeches and so forth…

  100. gdad | December 31, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    #99 Hey, Frank, still looking for that rape and torture evidence? Yeah, you were just as accurate on that one as you are on this whole Hillary thing. IOW, complete fabrications on your part.

  101. Frank | December 31, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    uh, gee, gdad, uh, a more accurate way to say it, is, completely unre-butted by ol’ hill. “oh, i’m tired!” “oh, i have a head ache!” “oh, i have a clot bouncing around in my empty head, just like i had back in 1998!” …bounce forward to 2016…I AIN’T NOWAYS TIRED!

    “lewinsky, Benghazi, sheesh, bill, how can i keep them all straight? YOU and barack said that wouldn’t happen to me, again.” “gee, why do i trust you men?” “huh? ok”, “I AIN’T NOWAYS TIRED”!

  102. gdad | December 31, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    Hitting the champagne early, Frank?

  103. gdad | December 31, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Pretty funny to watch the desperation among those who falsely accused Hillary Clinton of faking illness and injuries, only to be proven just to be ignorant heartless doofuses.

  104. gdad | January 1, 2013 at 9:44 am

    “oh, i have a clot bouncing around in my empty head…”

    Look, Frank, we already realize how jealous you are that Americans hold Hillary Clinton in such high regard — she’s the most admired woman in the world among Americans, including among a number of Republicans — but you don’t also have to make fun of yourself and your inability to punctuate or use proper grammar.

  105. Kristen | January 1, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Hey frank your understanding is , as usual, crap her doctors this morning revealed her blood clot is on her brain . I’m sure you’re holding our for her to have a stroke, but really, so what. You and your works view has been soundly rejected. Maybe you need a new retirement hobby besides political analysis.

  106. Kristen | January 1, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Works= world

  107. Steve C | January 1, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Kristen @ 10:12,

    “Maybe you need a new retirement hobby besides political analysis.”

    That all depends; some people enjoy hobbies that they totally suck at.

  108. Kristen | January 1, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    SteveC lol. You can visit a golf course and see that.

  109. wayne goodman | January 1, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Her two biggest fears now, of course, are for some doc to admit that there is no medical reason for her, ahh, “illness”, and that she’ll have to go to Capital Hill to li, oops, ahh, “testify”…about Benghazi. Her other fear is that some enterprising doc will discover that her greatest medical issue is the incessant, unrelenting, roaring that reverberates in the gaping empty space between her ears…leading her to emit periodic shrill screeches and so forth…

    Comment by Frank — December 31, 2012 @ 1:03 pm

    My biggest fear is that Frank will stop posting the comedic drivel that he favors us with on an almost daily basis. The blog really needs the comedy relief and Frank provides a good reason to laugh hysterically every day, even though that is clearly not his intention.

  110. Ron May | January 1, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    SteveC lol. You can visit a golf course and see that.

    Comment by Kristen — January 1, 2013 @ 12:08 pm

    careful Kristen!!! I resemble that remark. :)

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