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  1. Jeff Doto | December 2, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Michael Abrahams article concerning `angry white men` is an article rife with paranoia and quite laughable. Worry, michael, worry.

  2. Concern for the future | December 2, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Not seeing anything remotely paranoid or laughable about Michael’s op-Ed. Looks well reasoned and spot on. Maybe that was your truck at the multiplex?

  3. Dan Casey | December 2, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    I read Michael Abraham’s piece. Anyone who calls it full of paranoia and laughable isn’t playing with a full deck.

  4. Steve C | December 2, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    “Sen.Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., admitted as much, saying, “The demographics race we’re losing badly. We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

    Jethro the Dodo, I know you ain’t one of them book learned fellar’s and whatnot but did it not occur to you that if you’re going to reference an article then maybe you should have read the whole thing? I know, I know, Jethro the Dodo, them thar 3 R’s ain’t real big priorities for you fellars what livin’ in yonder holler but you still ought to take precautions so you don’t come across as a clueless lummox.

    For your benefit, I’ve included a link that far more precisely describes what the country can expect from the likes of you and your buddies;

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/south-postpones-rising-again-for-yet-another-year,377/

  5. Debbie | December 2, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    I read Michael Abraham’s piece too and found it to be spot on. There was no paranoia and nothing remotely laughable.

  6. Another Chuck | December 2, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Last week Warren Buffet said the he was aware that the increase in taxes on folks making over $250k would do very little to help solve out debt/deficit problems. But, he went on to say this tax increase will improve the moral of the middle class. I’ll tell you what would improve my moral, Warren Buffet shutting the $&@! Up!

  7. Dan Casey | December 2, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Hey folks,

    A reader who calls himself/herself “Brown Future” tried to post on this thread regarding Michael Abraham’s column.

    I axed the post, because “Brown Future” has previously posted under the blog nicknames HooDooYou, Sneeches, Real Talk, Mirror Universe, Fact It and Drift Off To Sleep.

    He/She has ignored my emails requesting they post under one consistent nickname, to avoid confusion. So they’re out.

    It appears from the IP address that they’re posting from Christiansburg, fyi.

  8. Jeff Doto | December 2, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Sounds like you`re all paranoid….Worried about what bumper stickers are displayed on others` vehicles ???? Thats as paranoid as it gets…Worry, #`s 2-5, Worry.

  9. Jeff Doto | December 2, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    #4..Oh, little Stevie..thank you so much for stepping out and proving my point..`What the Country can expect from people like me` ?????? You`re the most paranoid of them all…beating out Michael Abraham for this date. You`re quite the embarrasment to the male population.

  10. John Wilburn | December 2, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Dan:

    “It appears from the IP address that they’re posting from Christiansburg, fyi.”

    Yikes. I must live near that nut.

  11. Jeff Doto | December 2, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    No , #2…I don`t patronize Hollywood…so you can bet your little liberal rear-end that it wasn`t my truck.

  12. Kristen | December 2, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Doto, go diddle your guns some more then come back and talk about paranoia, why don’t you.

  13. Debbie | December 2, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    From previous posts by that person, Dan, I’m sure we aren’t missing a thing.

  14. Concern for the future | December 2, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    I’d like to thank Another Chuck for his insightful comments. Worried though about his malfunctioning ‘e’ key.

  15. Debbie | December 2, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Jeff Doto, you obviously did not comprehend what you read. No one is worried about the content of bumper stickers.

  16. Steve C | December 2, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    #2 Concern for the future,

    It most certainly was not Jethro the Dodo’s truck; the state won’t grant him a driver’s license because Jethro doesn’t test real well in certain areas (like being able to tell his left from his right or remembering what all three of those little light thingies are supposed to cue you to do).

    He normally gets driven around in a short yellow bus. If you pass one and see a dopey looking hillbilly inside licking the windows, that would be our boy.

  17. Rob Thommins | December 2, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Both of the articles above in links seem to center around life in the
    South. One even mentions States by name.

    Most of the points are at least partially if not all true.

    One point not mentioned is the South has good cooking.
    (chicken, catfish, gravy, seafood, pork chops, greens, grits etc.)

    That is just the standard fare in South Carolina.

  18. Art Hill | December 2, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Sockpuppet theater.

  19. Dave Hicks | December 2, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    I am neither defending Jeff Doto nor disagreeing with most of Abraham’s article. I particularly agree the historical part of Abraham’s article.

    However, as an old white man, bred, born, and reared rural, I do take umbrage at some of the stereotyping of some bloggers and to a degree in Abraham’s article.

    I strongly suspect there would be cries of outrage and allegations of prejudice, where someone to post such disparaging stereotypical pictures of women and/or of suburban / urban folk. In any case, such Ad Hominem attacks create far more heat than light on the subject, IMHO.

    I am of the opinion that the true obstacle to solving the ills of our time is the authoritarian segment of 1%ers and other shakers and movers who seek personal wealth and political power at the expense of the wider population and who are seeing their grip slipping. They also seem to have an element of fascism, in that they seem to be seeking to establish (likely to reestablish in their mind) their view of a nation defined by personal connections of ancestry and culture. IMHO, they are the real angry white men fighting to stop the control slipping out of their hands and into the hands of “the diverse, colorful, polyglot everybody else.” And, they don’t drive pickups with bumper-stickers on them. It is not just someone who could suggest you can write-off 47% — it is those with the deep pockets, who sat there nodding, and those who post comments with code-talk for that mantra.

    I would propose that the Republican Party is split between and the more conciliatory, moderate, social libertarian, elements (who understand the needs of everybody else) vs. the angry powerful white men, who see their grip slipping (not the folk driving that pick-up — who had little power to lose, in the first place).

  20. Rob Thommins | December 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Oh, North Carolina BBQ.
    Tar Heels know how to do 2 things, cook pigs is both of them.

    I especially like the “spread” in Eastern NC.
    BBQ, Fried Chicken, boiled potatos, Stew, Hush Puppies,
    Fried Green Tomatos and Sweet Tea.
    TO DIE FOR!

  21. Dan Casey | December 2, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    So, “Brown Future” has attempted to post again, in another post I trashed, claiming “You seem to be afraid of bitter satire.”

    Wrong. Changing nicknames on this blog, for whatever reason (such as to appear to show support for you own views) is not “bitter satire.” It’s silly game playing.

    You’ve forfeited your right to post here by continually changing IDs, after you’d been warned against it.

  22. Debbie | December 2, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    I agree, Rob Thommins. The South does have some good food. I don’t like my tea too sweet though.

  23. Debbie | December 2, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    # 19 Dave Hicks, I saw country singer Rodney Crowell on Bill Maher’s show years ago and one question that Maher had for him was what is the biggest misconception people have about Southerners. Crowell’s response, “That we’re all stupid.”

  24. Kristen | December 2, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2012/12/03/121203taco_talk_hertzberg

    “News flash: the President won, handily. With late returns still trickling in, his popular-vote margin now exceeds four million, a million more than George W. Bush amassed when he ran for reëlection. (Obama’s electoral-college majority is also larger: 332 to Mitt Romney’s 206, as against Bush’s 286 to John Kerry’s 251.)”
    “In 2004, the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal, conservatism’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, congratulated President Bush for “what by any measure is a decisive mandate for a second term” and exulted, “Mr. Bush has been given the kind of mandate that few politicians are ever fortunate enough to receive.” This year, examining similar numbers with different labels, the Journal came up with a sterner interpretation. “President Obama won one of the narrower re-elections in modern times,” its editorial announced.,

    Oh that mythical “liberal” media.

  25. Dave Hicks | December 2, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Trump Snookered: http://tinyurl.com/confnn5
    .

    ;-)

    .

  26. Another Chuck | December 2, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Thanks, CFTF. I repaired my “e” key and my morale is improving. I love this blog, there are so many helpful liberals here!

  27. Dave Hicks | December 2, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    More of what actually make the merry-go-round go around.

    http://tinyurl.com/ccywuas

    **
    Administration’s Cliff Offer Presents a Challenge for Centrist Democrats

    By Meredith Shiner
    Roll Call Staff
    Dec. 2, 2012, 4 p.m.

    Lost amid last week’s hubbub over the GOP’s quick and public rejection of the White House’s latest plan to solve the fiscal cliff was the quiet alarm some in-cycle Senate Democrats felt at the prospect of voting to raise $1.6 trillion in revenue, provide more government stimulus and permanently minimize Congress’ role in approving debt limit hikes.

    Democrats hold 20 of the 33 Senate seats up for up for grabs in 2014 — many of them in red or purple states. And just like in 2012, many of the moves Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., makes will be with his most vulnerable Members in mind.

    SNIP
    **

  28. Dave Hicks | December 2, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    Hum?

    The role of governors in the national budget????

    http://tinyurl.com/d4638sv

    **
    House Republicans will meet with governors on fiscal cliff

    By JAKE SHERMAN | 12/2/12 12:59 PM EST

    House Republicans this week will meet with governors and small business owners as Washington continues to negotiate over how to avoid the fiscal cliff.

    The list is not yet finalized, but it mirrors President Barack Obama’s schedule: he’s meeting with business leaders and governors, as well. Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker will be among the Republican governors meeting with Obama.

    SNIP

    The strategy on both sides of the aisle for now is to rally the outside to support their position: Democrats want to hike taxes on the wealthy, while cutting spending while Republicans want to extend all tax rates, cut spending and raise governmental revenue through other mechanisms.
    **

  29. Debbie | December 2, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Dave Hicks @ 4:39pm I looked. :-)

  30. Ron May | December 2, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Dave Hicks,

    I think the nation’s governors should be involved in the discussions. Not just the Republicans but all of them. Many of the cuts being proposed by the House, Senate & the White House have immediate and long term impacts on state government.

  31. Dave Hicks | December 2, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Re: Debbie @ 4:14 pm

    Not unlike blond females, eh?

    .
    ;-)

    .

  32. Steve C | December 2, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    #9 Jethro the Dodo,

    I’m struggling here to figure out a way that I can convey to you how much you truly suck at the whole internet dialogue thing; if you’re going to try to insult someone you should at least try not to misspell the insult.

    “You`re quite the embarrasment to the male population.”
    Comment by Jethro the Dodo — December 2, 2012 @ 1:24 pm

    “embarrassment”, not “embarrasment”

    E M B A R R A S S M E N T

    Here, now you try it

    E M B A R R A S S M E N T
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    Look, Jethro, this is Dan’s blog, not mine, so I can’t tell you what to do but you should seriously reconsider this whole dialogue thing in the context of whether or not you measure up to the standards everyone else sets with their submissions and honestly ask yourself if you have the mental compacity to raise to the occasion. Only you can answer that question, Jethro, but I can certainly help you out with some tools to help you arrive at the conclusion; take this handy test to assess whether or not you’ve got the goods to play in the big kids sand box or if the whelping box would perhaps be a better fit for you.

    http://www.funeducation.com/Tests/5thGrader/TakeTest.aspx

    Hope this helps. Feel free to reach out if I may be of further assistance.

  33. Steve C | December 2, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    #24 Kristen,

    The WSJ is at least trying to step up; Instead of trashing their candidate right out of the gate Like Peggy Noonan did when Senator McCain announced his running mate (that’s it! It’s over, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnn5vm6X6Y4), she at least waited until Rigor Mortis set in to Romney’s campaign before she threw him under the bus in Saturdays column; “But to be a successful Republican president now requires a kind of political genius, and he didn’t have it and wasn’t going to develop it. His flaws as a candidate would have been his flaws as president. We dodged a bullet”.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324705104578149632649232810.html

  34. Suzie | December 2, 2012 at 6:50 pm

    News flash: the President won, handily.

    Yes, he captured 100% of the vote in over one hundred precincts nationwide, over 70,000 votes to zero. Romney only captured 3 Utah precincts with 100% of the vote by 16-0, 16-0, and 12-0.

    It’s really amazing how just a three-percent overall vote differential could yield such a wide difference in shutouts. The odds of that must be staggering.

  35. Suzie | December 2, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Saddam Hussein was another dictator who routinely scored 100% of the vote. It’s just incredible how such a beloved figure ended up cowering in a rat hole with his legions of adoring admirers nowhere in sight.

  36. Sandi Saunders | December 2, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Dave Hicks, having taken your umbrage, can you then tell us how the “angry powerful white men” can convince the “Angry White Men fanaticism” “emblems” to be “Emblazoned” on their “monument to unrepentant consumption” (or their humble hoopty), if as you aptly point out they “had little power to lose, in the first place“?

    I found Michael Abraham to be spot on and kinder in his call out than some deserved.

  37. Ron May | December 2, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    But corporations tell us we have to stop giving to the “takers.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/us/winners-and-losers-in-texas.html?emc=na

  38. Nosaj | December 2, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    “Lincoln” is a wondeful movie worth a look. From the opening scene, I couldn’t avoid thinking how not much has changed. Anyway, Mr. Abraham’s analysis was seriously accurate. Dave Hicks @ #22, couldn’t agree with you more.

    Another Chuck, objective observers of the current deficit quagmire know full well that tax hikes on the top 1 or 2% will make a very small dent in the deficit. Mr. Buffet, on the other hand, understands and voices the value of the tax hikes to the other 98%. These tax increases represent a small measure of fairness. The rich have gotten obscenely rich over the past 20 or so years, and the rest of us have, if lucky, treaded water. No one is asking that wealthy Americans liquidate their entire portfolios. They are being asked to pay an extra 4% on income they earn OVER $250,000!

    Call me naive or worse, but I will feel a little better about some of the cuts that are inevitable if I know the most comfortable among us are paying more than I pay.

  39. Dave Hicks | December 2, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Looks as if my second of bowls for VT (back on the 25th) was correct — Russell Athletic Bowl.

    Got the likely opponent wrong, however.

  40. gdad | December 2, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    #35 As all can see, suzie is no less obnoxious and insulting than in the past. What a troll.

  41. Dan Casey | December 2, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    “Looks as if my second of bowls for VT (back on the 25th) was correct — Russell Athletic Bowl.”
    –Comment by Dave Hicks

    The Jockstrap Bowl!

  42. Dave Hicks | December 2, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Re: Sandi Saunders @ 8:02 pm

    Huh?

    Whom are the “they” you are referring to in your “they ‘had little power to lose, in the first place’”?

  43. Nosaj | December 2, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    C’mon Dan. In deference to all those Hokie fans (and to the upcoming civility review), we should call it the “Athletic Supporter Bowl.”

  44. joe | December 2, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    I think Russell should team up with Hard Rock Cafe
    in the future…get halftime entertainment cheap..
    and call it Jocks and Hard Rocks Stretchy Bowl.

  45. Cold n P | December 2, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Let’s call it the “Athletic Cup Championship”

    Or the jockstrap bowl. It’s just semantics.

  46. Suzie | December 2, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    #35 As all can see, suzie is no less obnoxious and insulting than in the past. What a troll.

    Which blogger have I insulted? Saddam Hussein?

  47. Suzie | December 2, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    I think Gdad believes my being ‘civil’ should involve shutting up about my opinions. That’s not the case at all. Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul were very outspoken, and they are the track to sainthood.

    I just said I wouldn’t insult other bloggers any longer. And I haven’t.

  48. Suzie | December 2, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Among the biggest examples of proof to me that God, Mary and the afterlife exists are:

    1: the unbroken succession of popes since St. Peter.

    2. the miracle at Fatima that took place in front of 70,000 people that was predicted in advance

    3. the legions of near-death experiences that have been reported.

  49. dobbs | December 2, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    Now suzie is on the track for sainthood! Oops, almost midnight. Gotta go to bed before Saint Suzie busts me.

  50. Art Hill | December 3, 2012 at 12:54 am

    From Daily Beast; On the “fiscal cliff,” Republican’s got nothin”.

  51. Art Hill | December 3, 2012 at 1:51 am

    From CBS; Remember that eight point lead for Romney? Maybe this had something to do with it.

  52. Debbie | December 3, 2012 at 5:25 am

    Suzie, you mentioned something previously about you striving to be a saint. I don’t think sainthood is a calculated thing.

  53. Justin True | December 3, 2012 at 7:03 am

    “Among the biggest examples of proof to me that God, Mary and the afterlife exists are:” -Saint Suziah

    That whole, water into brown ale, was pretty awesome too!

  54. pistol pete | December 3, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Ok..Ok..where is John Wilburn?

    Bob Costas just lost millions of fans last night on SNF

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2012/12/03/bob-costas-speaks-out-on-gun-control-after-jovan-belcher-murdersuicide/

    Ask the people of Chicago and Detroit how those tougher gun laws are working out for them!

  55. gdad | December 3, 2012 at 8:31 am

    “Let me predict further, ladies and gentlemen, that not only will Romney win in a 6+ point landslide, the GOP will take a minimum of 54 Senate seats. You may mark it down and take it to the bank.”

    Still waiting for them Rethugs to expose that massive fraud.

    suzie

  56. gdad | December 3, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Oops, “suzie” should have been attached to the first paragraph and above the last sentence.

  57. joe | December 3, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Saint Nick..meet Saint Sick..
    She will show you at which houses
    to stop . She has many answers..
    mostly which ones are more worthy
    than others. She-ll save you lots of time.
    She has applied for part time at UPS…
    so she may not be available for long.
    There is one thing…she spends a lot of time
    on blogs pronouncing newfound piety.
    Youll get used to it.
    She slips in and out of personas like you do your red suit,
    which she-ll likely want to borrow for her new avatar.

  58. gdad | December 3, 2012 at 9:14 am

    #54 pssst, he’s part of the Obama secret plan to grab all your guns.

  59. Kristen | December 3, 2012 at 9:15 am

    I’m betting Costas’s job is safe. I mean, what are the offended going to watch instead…Masterpiece Theater?

    “2. the miracle at Fatima that took place in front of 70,000 people that was predicted in advance.”

    “Predicted in advance” is redundant. I recognize there’s some confusion around here about that.

  60. gdad | December 3, 2012 at 9:37 am

    #60 ““Predicted in advance” is redundant.”

    Maybe this is as opposed to the Lucia’s predicted-in-retrospect second “secret” from the Virgin Mary that she revealed in 1941 — that World War I would end, and that World War II would start if God continued to be offended by man’s crimes. Wow, I wonder how she came up with that one in 1941? Had to have come straight from the Virgin Mary, no doubt. Oh, and the early deaths of her two cousins was also “predicted.” That one was revealed 7-8 years after their deaths from the great flu.

  61. joe | December 3, 2012 at 10:00 am

    And he said to the Flock from Florida..
    Rejoice…and have a glass of juice..
    On me.
    http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/components/video/100112/a_brown_jesus_100112.grid-4×2.jpg

  62. John Wilburn | December 3, 2012 at 10:01 am

    pistol pete:

    “Bob Costas just lost millions of fans last night on SNF”

    Of course his job is safe Kristen. It’s not like he was going against the grain with that network. Costas just read and nodded along with someone else’s reiteration of the same old gun control mantra that says everything will escalate into violence because of more guns. Truth is that despite a very sharp rise in the number of people lawfully carrying guns, that violent crime is down. The piece also said the player and his girlfriend would be alive today if he hadn’t possessed a gun and that may be true, but ignored that players and significant others don’t need guns to harm one another.

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-12-17/news/17942628_1_chris-henry-bengals-owner-mike-brown-fiancee

    I guess we need tougher pickup truck control too. As for increased numbers of guns escalating every situation, don’t forget this failed prediction of a “bloodbath” when concealed guns were uneventfully allowed into restaurants that serve alcohol.

    http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2011/08/dont-crow-too-hard-about-mondays-guns-bars-story/

  63. Sandi Saunders | December 3, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Dave Hicks, you are the one who said it in the first place, why are you asking me who “…the folk driving that pick-up — who had little power to lose, in the first place)” are?

  64. Suzie | December 3, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Suzie, you mentioned something previously about you striving to be a saint. I don’t think sainthood is a calculated thing.

    Why not? You can’t have a goal to reach heaven, then act accordingly?

  65. Suzie | December 3, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Notice Gdad isn’t challenging the predicted miracle of the sun on October 13, 1917. Skeptics have tried. They can’t explain it.

  66. Kristen | December 3, 2012 at 10:41 am

    http://news.yahoo.com/university-colorado-professors-continue-predict-romney-win-165000060.html

    gdad, this is my favorite retroactive prediction story.

    “The state-by-state economic data is nothing new, the university reported, as it has been available since 1980. This data, when applied retroactively, identifies all presidential election winners and correctly estimates the outcome of Bush v. Gore in 2000, where Al Gore won the popular vote but George W. Bush won the presidency via the Electoral College.”

    Their “predictive” model called the election as a landslide for Romney. Doh.

  67. Dan Casey | December 3, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Given all the attention those profs from Denver garnered with their prediction model, I wish the Denver paper would follow up and write a story about where they think they screwed up.

  68. Debbie | December 3, 2012 at 11:09 am

    I’m not Catholic, but I don’t believe you have to be a saint to reach heaven. Sainthood isn’t a goal you set and achieve like going after a masters degree.

  69. gdad | December 3, 2012 at 11:13 am

    #65 Suzie, I’m not doing your homework for you. There are MANY possible explanations for the supposed miracle. Most of them have to do with the way a mob expecting to see something convinces itself that it has seen it (somewhat akin to what happens when one yells fire in a theater when there is no fire) and the effects of staring directly at the sun. And even if there is no explanation, you call that a miracle? Pshaw.

  70. gdad | December 3, 2012 at 11:14 am

    #66 Kristen, this is just further proof the massive fraud that the Repubs can’t find. I mean, the ONLY was this model could have been wrong was fraud. Right?

  71. gdad | December 3, 2012 at 11:21 am

    #67 Dan, this pretty much the extent of te followup I found in the Denver Post.

    “The model was wrong,” Bickers said. “Sure, that’s a mea culpa I suppose. I’ve argued everywhere from the beginning that polls and prediction models don’t vote. This gives you the historical conditions, provides a kind of baseline for information in interpreting what might happen. In that sense, I still think it’s a useful tool. It didn’t get the correct outcome, but it does give you the historical context.”

    The only battleground state correctly forecast was one of the most Republican to begin with: North Carolina.
    The model erred, Bickers said, in assuming that a campaign could not shake off such challenging economic factors. One thing lacking, he said, is a good way to model campaign impact.”

    Read more: CU professor: Model predicting Romney win was “wrong” – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/ci_21953154/cu-professor-model-predicting-romney-win-was-wrong?IADID=Search-www.denverpost.com-www.denverpost.com#ixzz2E0SpmhVO

  72. Justin True | December 3, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    gdad,

    I read a little on the Fatima fable. It seems there are only 2 known photos the day of the ahem, “miracle”. One shows a bunch of people with umbrellas, and most notably you can tell there are way less people than 30-100,000 people.

    and #B, go outside and stare at the sun like a 7 & 10 year old instructs and see if the sun don’t start dancing…

    The only miracle here is a few thousand gullible people didn’t go blind.

  73. Justin True | December 3, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    gdad, BTW, Suziah, was pulling her info and referenced us to Wikipedia on this story… yeah, Wikipedia. Nuff’ said.

  74. Jason | December 3, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    The fact that Suzie doesn’t like the possible explanations doesn’t mean that skeptics haven’t produced them.

    http://www.csicop.org/si/show/real_secrets_of_fatima

  75. Sandi Saunders | December 3, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Your responses grant a credibility and respectability not deserved IMO. Why?

  76. Dave Hicks | December 3, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Re: Sandi Saunders @ 10:05 am

    Just checking that we were both on board that I was talking about it is “the folk driving that pick-up who had little power to lose, in the first place.”

    The folk driving the pick-up never was in control of the country.

    So, who is angry about, “It’s time to take back our country” and “the transfer of power from the angry white men to the diverse, colorful, polyglot everybody else”?

    IMHO, it is the 1%ers and other shakers and movers who seek personal wealth and political power at the expense of the wider population, who are seeing their grip slipping, and are angry that they are losing the country that they thought that they bought / owned lock-stock-&-barrel.

  77. Dave Hicks | December 3, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Re: gdad @ 11:21 am

    “The model erred, Bickers said, in assuming that a campaign could not shake off such challenging economic factors.”

    —————-

    Whose “campaign”?

    The failed weather-vane campaign of the 47% flipper? The TP’s social-issues campaign to destroy the GOP? Both of which assured that the Obama campaign never had to seriously address “such challenging economic factors”, much less “shake off” the damage that Bickers assumed was the only driver.

  78. Sandi Saunders | December 3, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Dave Hicks, I totally agree with you on who is controlling and trying to hang onto that control, what I do not get and was hoping you could explain is why those powerless folk are on the 1%er bandwagon? What on earth is in it for them? What country is it they believe they will get back and from whom? That truck “emblazoned” with anger and protest was not a 1%er, I am willing to bet my life on it.

  79. Suzie | December 3, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Their “predictive” model called the election as a landslide for Romney. Doh.

    The model didn’t take cheating into account.

  80. Dan Casey | December 3, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    “The model didn’t take cheating into account.”

    And you haven’t named one “cheater,” or detailed how the “cheating” was accomplished. Put up or . . .

  81. Suzie | December 3, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    you haven’t named one “cheater,” or detailed how the “cheating” was accomplished. Put up or . . .

    All I have to do is point to the over 100 populous precincts in battleground states in which 0bama got 100% of the vote. The odds of that happening legitimately would be more than astronomical as we’ve shown. How they cheated and who did the cheating –well, I don’t imagine the communist MSM is interested in finding out.

  82. Suzie | December 3, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    The fact that Suzie doesn’t like the possible explanations doesn’t mean that skeptics haven’t produced them.

    Right. 70,000 people were all fooled, including the many skeptics on hand. And the newspaper accounts at the time were wrong. If this event had happened out of the blue, it would have been spectacular in itself. The fact that the girl called it–date and time–t makes it a miracle.

  83. Suzie | December 3, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    More proof that God isn’t a Democrat:

    The Virginia Mary personally condemned communism in 1917. Today’s Democrat Party represents nearly every point on the Communist’s Party’s wish list for America.

    Is that the side you people really want to be on the day of your death?

  84. Suzie | December 3, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    I’m not Catholic, but I don’t believe you have to be a saint to reach heaven. Sainthood isn’t a goal you set and achieve like going after a masters degree.

    it’s the same thing. Anyone in Heaven is a saint.

    You’re confusing saints with canonized saints. On that, I would agree with you that you can’t ‘try’ to be a canonized saint. That would imply a vanity that is probably unworthy of canonization.

  85. Dave Hicks | December 3, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Re: Sandi Saunders @ 2:03 pm

    I would suggest multiple factors:

    1) being powerless, or nearly so, generally generates anger — especially for an alpha in a very small pond who is confronted by the reality of a much larger pond with far more powerful alphas. Think of the person who is angry at his/her supervisory at work and goes home and kicks the dog or abuses the spouse.

    2) Folk out of work or in bad straits economically tend to look for a scapegoat, a conspiracy theory, etc. The GOTP gave them one with the GOPT’s code-talk about jobs and immigration “reform.”

    3) The GOPT’s big lie that fooled some folk on this blog over and over again was well financed and well run. Look at the folk who ranted on this blog about how having to provide health-insurance for their staff of three had already run them out of business.

    4) #s 1 & 3 above touch on many folk’s propensity to look for someone else to blame. There is an old saw that, “I never met a failure who did not blame bad luck or someone else; nor met a successful man that did not claim all the credit and swear that neither luck nor help from anybody played a part.” FWIIW, I have met any number of folk who, if they didn’t have bad luck, would have had no luck at all. Also have met successful folk who acknowledge good luck and/or help from others.

    I have seen Donald Trump as being quoted as saying, “Everything in life is luck.” OTOH, Edward Rudolph “Ed” Bradley, Jr. is quoted as saying, “Be prepared, work hard, and hope for a little luck. Recognize that the harder you work and the better prepared you are, the more luck you might have.” As for me, “The harder I work, the luckier I get.” — BTW, Dan, often spuriously attributed to Thomas Jefferson.

    However, it is easy to blame a scapegoat and that generates hate and anger.

    I was not saying that the guy in the pickup wasn’t angry.

    I was and am saying that he was played by the authoritarian segment of 1%ers and the other shakers and movers who seek personal wealth and political power at the expense of the wider population. It is not unlike some who we know here have been played by them, also.

    FWIIW, I also believe that the folk on the left are also being played. Politicians at both ends of the political spectrum never agree to anything, because it is more about them and their personal wealth, political power, and party loyalty — than it is about the country.

    We all are acquiescing to this dysfunctional interaction and we are being played just as the driver of Michael Abraham’s pickup truck, IMHO.

    So, we need thoughtful moderates in the middle who can work out wise compromises. (From my prospective moderate small “l” libertarians or, if you prefer, anti-authoritarians.)

    Lack of commitment to country and lack of leadership coupled with suspended maturity is the source of our current poisonous political rhetoric, IMHO. If you are for the country, how can you even consider a 10 year old pledge to another politician?

    IMHO, we need politicians who will vote based on the following priorities: what is best for the American People, next best for the State or District that they represent, then for their local government, and only at the last the party they belong to. [Note that I left out "personal wealth and political power: -- intentionally.]

  86. Dave Hicks | December 3, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    “All I have to do is point to the over 100 populous precincts….”

    Is that like pointing out hundreds, if not thousands, of child abuse case world-wide in a church proves…[whatever]…?

  87. John Wilburn | December 3, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Suzie:

    “it’s the same thing. Anyone in Heaven is a saint.”

    So I take it you aren’t planning to go to heaven.

  88. Kristen | December 3, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    “The model didn’t take cheating into account”

    I am stunned…STUNNED…by this response. I would never,ever have envisioned it. Ever. SuzieQ is so totally not the most utterly predictable poster on this blog.

  89. Dave Hicks | December 3, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Anyone, check out parhelion — a.k.a., sundog
    .

    .
    :-)

  90. joe | December 3, 2012 at 8:23 pm
  91. Debbie | December 3, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Who is “The Virginia Mary”?

  92. John Wilburn | December 3, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Debbie:

    “Who is “The Virginia Mary”?

    I saw that and wondered the same thing. A few years back, our real estate contracts, VAR 600, used to say “Virgina” in the legal description of the property. The next revision fixed it, but it was funny while it lasted.

  93. Kristen | December 3, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Virginia Mary is a spell checked Virgin Mary.

  94. joe | December 3, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Virginia Mary was the cousin of Bloody Mary
    ..but since she didnt drink she wasnt as much fun
    But she did other things that were ok..
    and overall was very well liked by the boys.
    No one knows why but there were whispers back in those days.
    ..at least thats according to a few cults.

  95. Sandi Saunders | December 3, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Well said again Dave Hicks #85 at 7:28PM! I get it, I know these people too, I just do not understand it.

  96. Kristen | December 4, 2012 at 7:57 am

    “A vast majority of gun violence is by inner city blacks and the culture that surrounds them. ”

    Really, in 1917? Pleas SuzeQ, impart the Virginia Marys position on wearing white after Labor Day? Coke or Pepsi? The designated hitter? We need to know.

  97. Kristen | December 4, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Way wrong cut and paste above.

    “The Virginia Mary personally condemned communism in 1917. ”

    Correct cut and paste.

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