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The continuing saga of ‘Rachel’ at Cardmember Services

Chapter 2

I got another phone call Friday morning from Rachel at Cardmember Services, (or Card Services or Cardholder Services) and that resulted in a mini-adventure in learning more about this scam company, how they do what they do, and some measures you  can take to thwart them — or at least, cost them some money.

Here’s Chapter 1, btw.

Caller ID listed the phone number from “Rachel” as 510-335-1032. A Google search revealed that number belongs to Mosaic Networx LLC, a company based in San Rafael, Calif. It’s in Marin County, just north of San Francisco. So I looked upthe main number of Mosaic Networx LLC and called it. It was answered by a voicemail system that said:

“Thank you for calling Mosaic Networx, your single source data communications provider. If you would like to dial your party by name, Press 1.”

Of course I pressed 1, and the robot said, “Enter your party’s first or last name with the telephone keypad.” I punched in the first name “John.” The robot said, “Connecting to Peter Schultz” and then a human answered, “This is Joe.” Go figure.

He told me his full name is Joe Buck. He said he has 42 years experience in the telecommunication industry, and though he lives in California now he’s from Virginia Beach.

I explained why I was calling his company and a conversation ensued in which I learned some things from Joe, and he learned some from me.

What I learned from him:

• Mosaic Networx is a legitimate company that sells thousands of different telephone numbers to resellers, who in turn resell them to fraud artists such as Cardmember Services, and other companies aren’t engaged legitimate business. Because of previous complaints to Mosaic like mine, Joe knew the name of the company I was calling to complain about, but said he is barred by law from disclosing it.

However, Mosaic and its CEO have received many complaints about Cardmember Services through the California Public Service Commission, to which Mosaic is authorized to provide information about the company, and they have done this.

The fraud artists purchasing the numbers are buying them as “inbound only” numbers. Then they use their private branch exchange systems to turn them into to “outbound” numbers. They hook up a robocalling computer to that, i.e. Rachel.

Mosaic Networx earns virtually nothing when such numbers are misused for outbound calls. They earn money only when the number is used for inbound calls, and that can be substantial.

Joe said he was able to electronically block calls from 510-335-1032 to my home telephone. All I had to do was send an email to legal@mosaicnetworx.com. Here’s the email I sent:

From: Dan Casey
To: legal@mosaicnetworx.com
Subject: Do Not Call

“I received a call from 510-335-1032. My phone number is 540-xxx-xxxx. I would like my phone number blocked from receiving further calls from 510-335-1032.”

However, Joe noted that, through a reseller, the company in question had purchased “thousands” of phone numbers from Mosaic. Thus, while he could block my line from ever again getting calls from 510-335-1032, he couldn’t guarantee I wouldn’t get them from another number the fraudster has purchased from Mosaic or some other company like it.

“But I’ve blocked a lot of folks’ phone numbers from that number and I’ve never had a repeat complaint,” Joe added.

“I don’t understand why you don’t refuse to sell numbers to this company,” I told Joe.

Essentially, he said that Mosaic doesn’t have a lot of control over who the resellers pass the numbers onto, and that the fraudsters are a relatively miniscule part of the market. I got the impression that it’s not worth a lot of effort for Mosaic to root out the fraud artists because they’re such a small percentage of the business it does.

Then we got back to another issue Joe had raised — that Mosaic got paid only for “inbound” calls on the number it had sold.

“So when I call that number, it costs Cardmember Services money?” I asked.

“That’s right,” Joe said. Mosaic gets paid on a per-minute basis based calls to that number. Now THAT was interesting information.

Because when you call that number, you get connected to another voicemail system, where there is no mention of a company name.

“Welcome to our customer communications platform,” the robot says. I was offered 4 options. Press

  1. To connect to a customer service representative — this never works. You get put on hold for 15 seconds, then there’s a loud beep and then it says “We’re sorry, all our representative are busy. Please leave a message after the beep.”
  2. To have your number put into our Do Not Call database.
  3. To leave a voice message for the Customer Care Department.
  4. “To report your concerns about our marketing practices, or to be connected to the regulatory agencies that govern our industry.”

You can also press 9 to repeat the menu. And you can do this 2 or 3 times, which runs up the minutes, which costs the fraudsters money. Of course, I had to call them a number of times Friday for research purposes for this post.

With #4, they give you hotline numbers for the FTC and FCC. But since you don’t know the company’s name, (it’s not Cardmember Services) and since there are a lot of different companies pulling this scheme, I’m not sure what use that is.

I also experimented with #3. An interesting quality to that is, there seems to be no time limit on the length of a message you can leave. So, I pressed that #3 and played them an entire rendition of “Satisfaction” by the Rolling Stones.

I reckon that cost them a little money, because I wasted about 5 minutes on that call — first by replaying their menu three times, then by leaving the “message” — a 3 minute long rock n’ roll anthem.

You may be wondering by now — what did Joe learn form me?

It’s this: The Federal Trade Commission is  currently offering a $50,000 reward to the person who comes up with the best technical solution to stop these illegal robocalls.

“You’re kidding!” Joe said. I was not. He gave me his company email address, I forwarded him this link to the FTC’s site announcing the reward.

It sounded like the wheels already were turning in Joe’s head about suggestions to make. With 42 years in the industry, I’m sure he has plenty of ideas.

Go get’em Joe!

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16 COMMENTS

  1. Dave Gresham | December 7, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    “So, I pressed #3 and played them an entire rendition of Satisfaction by the Rolling Stones.” Funny! (In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida next?)

  2. Rob Thommins | December 7, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Here is one I like.
    If you receive junk mail with a postage paid envelope save the envelope.
    Stuff the envelope full as you can with other junk mail, try to use
    heavy paper this makes it weigh (cost) more.
    You know the rest, drop it in the mail.

  3. John Wilburn | December 7, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Dave Gresham:

    “(In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida next?)”

    Do it! How about the whole 9 minutes of Freebird?

  4. DCAT | December 7, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Dan,
    I taped on of those prepaid envalopes to a brick once. The joke was on me tho, as I worked at the Post office and the brick damaged the machine that I had to repair.

  5. Isophorone | December 7, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    You can play “MacArthur Park” (bad song that is over 7 minutes) or “Alice’s Restaurant” (which goes something like 18 minutes.

    Thanks for the tips!

  6. J.M. White | December 7, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    9 minutes isn’t nearly long enough, though Freebird would be a pretty nice touch. No, you need to bring out the big guns with folks like these…

    10 hours of Epic Sax Guy should do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxopViU98Xo

    Call them early in the AM, get to the “leave a message” phase, lay the receiver down next to the PC speaker and go to work. If you’re worried about missing important calls, forward them to your cellphone for the day. Fire it up and walk away. Let’s see if those messages really are for an unlimited amount of time.

    If you can get multiple people to do it simultaneously, it’ll be even better. Most of the time, they’ve bought a package of phone numbers, so calls to the same number jump to the next down the line. If ten people fill up the switchboard and leave ten hour messages, you could cost L’il Miss Rachel a pretty penny by the end of the work day. Conceivably, with enough people calling and tying up lines, you could overload their system and crash it, which Mosaic would then charge them to fix, though you might be crossing some FCC regulatory lines.

    There’s also a ten-hour Gangnam Style, Nyan Cat, Keyboard Cat, Darth Vader breathing and the Skyrim theme song. Mix it up and have some fun!

    I’m an evil genius. You’re welcome.

  7. Contrasuzie | December 8, 2012 at 7:53 am

    I think I’ll try turning on a TV or radio evangelist, one who YELLS the Word of God, and leaving that as a message for Rachel.

  8. Dave Gresham | December 8, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Every idea to torment them just gets better! Makes me wish we could pull the fire alarm in their office. 

  9. Mike Scott | December 8, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    So,

    My wife, who serves as the official computer repair person for her branch of the family, gets a call from her sister who reports that their Dell computer is not working and they have taken to a local repair shop. The same day that the computer goes for repair, they get telephone call from someone who says “we hear you are having problems with your computer and we can help with it”. All they need is a bank or credit card number and they can take of most of the repair online. This is when the sister called for advice. So it turns out, the phone call was more or less just a coincidence and the scam assumes that almost everyone is having some freaking problem with their computer or computers at one time or another. Basically they were phishing and hit them just at the right time. A little research reveals this scam comes from India through telephone numbers routed in the US. Yet another reason to ditch your land line.

  10. John Wilburn | December 9, 2012 at 1:01 am

    J.M. White and Contrasuzie, those are both great ideas!

    Let’s combine them and use J.M. White’s method with 10 hours of crazy screaming fundie hell fire and brimstone preacher!

  11. dobbs | December 10, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    I used to live in San Rafael. They pronounce it “ruh-FELL” out there. Never met a robot named Rachel, though.

    As for song ideas, may I suggest either the full version of Jethro Tull’s “Thick as a Brick,” or the Allman Brothers’ “Mountain Jam” from the “Ludlow Garage” album. Both clock in at 44 minutes.

  12. Other John | December 10, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    That’s why we don’t have a landline. Just cells, and if the number coming in isn’t already in my contact list or doesn’t appear to be a local number similar to a business I’m working with, I ignore it and let voicemail handle it. 99% of the time, there’s no message…but thankfully I only get calls like that a couple times a month.

  13. Jack | December 11, 2012 at 8:19 am

    I pressed 3 and played “Lights” by Ellie Goulding.

  14. Jack | December 11, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Rob Thommins,

    You’re right. They will pay for the return mail and, in turn, you’re helping the postal service.

    Don’t stuff the envelope, though, tape it to something big. You could actually tape it to a brick or something and mail that. It’ll cost them a little more.

  15. Jack | December 11, 2012 at 8:23 am

    I decided to play sound Soundgarden, too. It’ll be a long call.

  16. Jack | December 11, 2012 at 8:25 am

    At 6:58 into the call (minutes:seconds) it cuts you off. FYI.

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