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That reads like some of the comments on this blog. Even some that I had posted. Can you say brain cramp!!
Can you believe it? That should be “have” posted.
My brain is hurting.
Now we know where pammala works and what she does.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/19/vatican-gun-control-_n_2510885.html
“The Vatican’s chief spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Saturday that 47 religious leaders have appealed to members of the U.S. Congress “to limit firearms that are making society pay an unacceptable price in terms of massacres and senseless deaths.”
Kristen…your post #4 …Given the fact that this came from the Huffington post, it is surely a lie. The left-stream media will do and say anything to get their way…“The ends justify the means“. Saul Alinsky(Dead)
Huffington Post are liars, Kristen.
Does uscatholic.org lie, Applewood?
Get a clue, Applewood, it doesn’t work to claim one source always lies when you can find the same info at many other sources, INCLUDING at gun hugger sources.
So once again, you are the liar.
Any Wonju reataurant fans on here? I’m going there for dinner this evening and trying to decide if I want the Dwaeji-Bulgogi – Grilled Spicy Pork or the Bibimbap.
Applewood you are consistent if nothing else. Everyone who disagrees with you apparently is a liar. Below is a link to the Vatican Radio website in which a representative of the U.S. Catholic Council of Bishops expresses support for the gun control measures proposed by Pres. Obama.
Your Jefferson quote was a lie and here you’ve been busted again. 0 for 2.
http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/01/17/usccb_on_gun_control:_need_to_confront_the_culture_of_violence/en1-656566
Oh Applewood…an Alinsky quote. That certainly decides the matter.
I won’t call you a liar…I’ll go with clueless.
It’s pretty ironic that Applewood just goes around spewing liar, liar…and the only liar is him.
..Smoking is directly responsible for 80 percent of lung cancer deaths in women. In 2005 over 69000 women died of lung cancer. Lets remember what got this trend started. A really clever man named Edward Bernays
(along with his unclke Sigmund) figured out a way to use herd mentality to make a buck off women by telling them a cigarette was a “torch of freedom” . Smoking then took off. Sales skyrocketed. Women died..but by God they had freedom…they sucked that freedom down their throats in the interest of profit and patriotism…and they died. Sounds a good bit like the NRA and these “intellectuals” who spout 2nd amendment….Freedom alright,,largely legal freedom to kill…hacking and wheezing that word all the way to the grave…”Freedom”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/20/albuquerque-shooting-2013-new-mexico-teenager_n_2516424.html
Does 5 even qualify as a mass shooting in the US?
“Investigators also were seeking to determine who owned several guns that were found at the home, one of which was a semi-automatic military-style rifle.”
It never cease to make me laugh when the right wingers like applewood, quote the mojo of Saul Alinsky. It is even funnier when you know that the GOTP has given his book to their “recruits” to learn from.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204624204577177272926154002.html
Sorry, make that, “ceases”.
Ron, If you choose to believe the liberal lies, then so be it. You obviously have never read Alinsky. If you had, you would be familiar with his ideology. These `links` you post mean nothing.. The New York Times, Huffington Post, Washington Post are in the tank with Obama and will say and do anything to promote their failing ideology, which includes lying to the public to advance their cause. You can break through your little bubble if you`ll push hard enough…just don`t soil your diapers in the process.
What mateerial should they hand out, Sandi ?
Besides, I This gun thing is crazy anyway. I am by no means Rambo, I just choose not to be an easy victim.
No , Gdud..its just that you choose to be taken in by the Democratic plantation lies. Change the way people think and you can control them. Well, if you choose to be controlled, thats your business. Everyone must be so proud of you and your enthusiasm. As for me, I`ll carry and conceal and not be controlled. Freedom would define my previous sentence. I`m sad for you being unable to understand it.
“Ron, If you choose to believe the liberal lies, then so be it. You obviously have never read Alinsky. If you had, you would be familiar with his ideology. These `links` you post mean nothing.. The New York Times, Huffington Post, Washington Post are in the tank with Obama and will say and do anything to promote their failing ideology, which includes lying to the public to advance their cause. You can break through your little bubble if you`ll push hard enough…just don`t soil your diapers in the process.”
–Comment by Applewood
Translation: “Ron, you know nothing, because what you think you know you have read in publications whose facts I don’t agree with. You can’t believe anything you read in The New York Times, on Huffington Post, or in the Washington Post. World Net Daily, Newsmax, CNS News and FreeRepublic are the main sources of truth (tho Fox News tells it sometimes, too). Also, you can’t believe the Wall Street Journal, unless you find it on its well-balanced and fact-checked editorial or op-ed pages.”
The New York Times, Huffington Post, Washington Post are in the tank with Obama and will say and do anything to promote their failing ideology, which includes lying to the public to advance their cause. You can break through your little bubble if you`ll push hard enough…just don`t soil your diapers in the process.
Comment by applewood — January 20, 2013 @ 2:02 pm
I see another candidate for the Roanoke Tea Party black helicopter brigade
here. I bet Applewood’s bumpers are loaded with stickers like “Ice ICLEI” or Deep Six Agenda 21. Come on now Applewood, “fess” up.
Someone sounds familiar.
Frank… or excuse me, Applewood, its grad, not Gdud. Keep it respectful.
Applewood,
My links were not to any of those sources you mentioned. Instead they were, in the case of Jefferson, from the webpage of the organization which maintains and operates Monticello and maintains the truth about his legacy. In the case of the quote from the Vatican, my source was the Vatican Radio website on which Rev. Frederico Lombardi made his remarks about Pres. Obama’s proposals on gun control.
Your responses remind of the scriptural quote from Mark shown below. It is my hope that someday you open your eyes and do see and that you open your ears and do hear. I also hope your memory is restored as well.
“Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember?” Mark 8:18
“I bet Applewood’s bumpers are loaded with stickers like “Ice ICLEI” or Deep Six Agenda 21. ”
I love it when Wayne uses his imagination to describe people he doesn’t know.
So if you don’t agree with the source than they’re liars. You have to shop around and find out who tells you what you want to believe. They are the truth tellers because their “truth” matches what you believe. Have I got ir right, Applewood?
“Applewood,
My links were not to any of those sources you mentioned. Instead they were, in the case of Jefferson, from the webpage of the organization which maintains and operates Monticello and maintains the truth about his legacy. In the case of the quote from the Vatican, my source was the Vatican Radio website on which Rev. Frederico Lombardi made his remarks about Pres. Obama’s proposals on gun control.
Your responses remind of the scriptural quote from Mark shown below. It is my hope that someday you open your eyes and do see and that you open your ears and do hear. I also hope your memory is restored as well.”
“Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember?” Mark 8:18
Ron, didn’t you learn the lesson? Monticello.org is a liberal plot, because it’s not World Net Daily, or CNSNews, or FreeRepublic, or Fox News or the Wall Street Journal editorial page. Those and Applewood’s imagination are the only sources of truth out there.*
The Bible isn’t any of those, either. The Bible is the WORST liberal plot of all, for goodness sake!
*And btw, if I made a mistake in anything above, “it really doesn`t matter..If I made a mistake, so be it!”
!!!
Thanks Dan! I needed that. By the way the CNSNews website carried the story about Rev. Lombardi’s interview on Vatican Radio. Maybe they have moved over to the darkside as well.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/vatican-welcomes-obama-gun-control-proposal
Gotta hand it to you guys. The liberal spin machine worked like a charm during the recent election.
http://now.msn.com/politifact-lie-of-the-year-is-true
The great part is how easily you guys can convince yourselves that the lies are true simply by repeating them often enough, loudly enough and vehemently enough. Then when the truth comes out, just ignore it and act like it isn’t there.
Chuck, your link doesn’t say anything like what you’re saying.
Chuck, the criticism was entirely justified because Romney distorted the facts of Jeep opening a factory in China in a very material way. You know that; anyone with half a brain knows it. You simply don’t care
Geez Chuck, don’t you read the links you post?
They hope WE don’t read them.
Chuck,
Yes Chrysler is going to build Jeeps in China. However, my cousins in Toledo, Ohio where Chrysler makes Jeep Cherokees tell me that workers are being added to that plant because demand is higher. Additionally, see the link below about Chrysler’s plans in Warren, Michigan where Ram Trucks are assembled. The auto industry across the U.S. is adding workers to produce more vehicles.
http://www.4wheelsnews.com/chrysler-to-add-third-shift-at-warren-truck-plant-in-march-2013/
Go Ravens!
Hey Applewood,
I have read Saul Ailinsky. I started to right after Newt Gingrich put the name out there as the philosophical puppet master for President Obama. I read his writing and looked deeper into what he was trying to accomplish as a community organizer. Did you, or did you just look at what was force fed to you as out of context bits from your personal news sources.
Here’s an example of what I found out:
Ailinsky was interested in helping people by finding ways to improve their standing. During one period period of time, he worked with inner city tenants whose absentee land lords refused to fix problems in the properties they owned. Of course the tenants tended to be minorities. Know what he proposed to fix it? He recommended protesting the conditions…… at the landlord’s home in the suburbs. See, it’s easy to be irresponsible and anonymous, plus, during the period of time of the aforementioned protests, minorities in the suburbs were pretty scary and that particular prejudice put just enough pressure on the landlords to get something done with their properties. He suggested using the social perspectives of those with power against them. Pretty slick huh?
How bout explaining why you think Ailinsky was such a subversive guy?
Paranoia is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. “Everyone is out to get me.”) Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia. For example, an incident most people would view as an accident or coincidence, a paranoid person might believe was intentional. From Wikipedia
Do any of you know anyone who might fit this description?
Mike Scott,
I don’t know how Applewood views minorities in the suburbs, but there’s no shortage of folks in Virginia who would view such encouragement as highly subversive.
Hey Ron May,
Lets see if I have what you are saying to Chuck correct…
Sooo, in addition to you libs calling Romney a liar for saying that “Chrysler was going to build a new auto plant in China”, you personally are saying its ok for Chrysler to build that new auto plant in China “because Chrysler’s output in the U.S. is growing…”.
Did I get that correct?
In other words, you are telling the folks who are out-of-work in OUR country to, in effect “go cry you a river”. Did I get that right as well? Because, there’s lots of folks who are out-of-work…right here…right now. Ya know?
Ray Lewis is being promoted as some sort of ‘lay minister’ now. The guy has six kids with four different women and is living with a girlfriend. I guess these black ministers are from the black churches that say abortion is OK and regularly speak leftwing politics from the pulpit. Interestingly, nobody is interested in revoking their tax-free status like they are with the Catholic Church when the speak against abortion.
Anyway, putting Lewis up as some sort of holy man like the MSM does is an abomination.
hey justin,
it’s not grad. it’s not gdud. it’s not gdummy. it’s not gwiz.
it’s gdad. …keep it respectful.
“Hey Ron May,
Lets see if I have what you are saying to Chuck correct…
Sooo, in addition to you libs calling Romney a liar for saying that “Chrysler was going to build a new auto plant in China”, you personally are saying its ok for Chrysler to build that new auto plant in China “because Chrysler’s output in the U.S. is growing…”.
Did I get that correct?
In other words, you are telling the folks who are out-of-work in OUR country to, in effect “go cry you a river”. Did I get that right as well? Because, there’s lots of folks who are out-of-work…right here…right now. Ya know?”
–Comment by Hey Frank
You did not get that correct, Hey Frank. Neither did Chuck. He knows the truth. I dunno about you. The prerequisite for understanding this matter is “half a brain.” And with you, that’s unclear.
Frank,
During a campaign stop in Defiance, Ohio, Mitt Romney said that Chrysler was thinking of moving all Jeep production to China. He didn’t say, on that occasion, that Chrysler was going to build a Jeep production facility in China. He said Chrysler was planning to move all Jeep production to China. That was a lie. He knew it. All kinds of people called him on that lie.
Not mentioned in response to Chuck is another fact regarding Mitt Romney & his involvement in the auto industry relates to Delphi Corp. Mitt Romney and his partners made a killing on the GM bankruptcy by gaining control of bankrupt parts supplier Delphi, then threatening to withhold components critical to the production of GM vehicles. Romney’s business partners were willing to force GM into liquidation and cause a national economic calamity unless they got more money. In the end, the Romney investor group got what it wanted and earned a profit of more than 3,000 percent on its initial investment.
That’s the Mitt Romney, he & the Republicans didn’t want the voters to know.
So, no Frank you don’t have it correct. I could go on, but I know it would be useless.
Addledwood is obviously somebody we already know. Somebody VERY gullible and easily led about by his/her wingnut masters. And stupidest of all, when it’s been busted and shown proof of that from the Vatican and from the top Jefferson research organization in the country, its only response is juvenile insults.
And speaking of churches, I am in a large city today and attended mass. Giving the homily was a black deacon. His message was about MLK. Fair enough. But then he got into topics like current racism, why the “greedy” don’t help the poor, and the need to pray and support for “compassionate” politicians. There were a lot of leftwing code words in there. I considered corralling him afterwards and telling him I thought his message was not just out of place, but also incorrect. I decided at the end it wasn’t the thing to do. But I was close.
Usually, Mass is a sanctuary from that kind of nonsense. 99.5% of the time, the message rings true and right. I’m just wondering if the priest approved of the message or was it just the deacon doing his own thing?
By the way Frank, my knowledge of both the Chrysler & GM machinations comes from the fact that my wife’s family have been Chrysler & GM dealers since the early 1950s. Mr. Romney’s efforts to force the American auto industry into liquidation nearly cost them their businesses. It would have force the closure of 1000s of auto dealerships across the U.S. and cost millions of jobs at dealerships alone. My in-laws probably haven’t voted for a Democrat in their life times. I doubt they voted for Obama, but I know they didn’t vote for Romney.
Frank, I believe Ron’s post at 7:24 p.m. was very clear. Chrysler is adding upwards of 1,250 jobs domestically. They are also going to build Jeeps in China in conjunction with another car maker. Such a move may well be very good for Chyrsler overall, which helps the overall health of the company. Romney’s remarks were at best gigantically misleading, and that is according to Chrysler officials. In fact, I believe Romney’s statements about Chrysler cost him dearly in the election.
Jason Perdue, below is the text of the Ohio radio ad, which was followed by a similar, though not exactly word-for-word, Ohio TV ad foruces on Jeep.
“Barack Obama says he saved the auto industry. But for who? Ohio, or China? Under President Obama, GM cut 15,000 American jobs. But they are planning to double the number of cars built in China — which means 15,000 more jobs for China.
“And now comes word that Chrysler plans to start making jeeps in — you guessed it — China. What happened to the promises made to autoworkers in Toledo and throughout Ohio — the same hard-working men and women who were told that Obama’s auto bailout would help them?
“Mitt Romney grew up in the Auto Industry. Maybe that’s why the Detroit News endorsed him, saying: ”Romney understands the industry and will shield it from regulators who never tire of churning out new layers of mandates.” Mitt Romney. He’ll stand up for the auto industry. In Ohio, not China.”
The TV ad says Obama sold Chrysler Jeep to the Italians, who are now going to make Jeeps in China. Given the context of the earlier ad, the implication that Jeep would be moving jobs from Ohio to China was clear.
In the fall, Jeep, I should note, Jeep NEVER said it wasn’t building a factory in China to manufacture Jeeps for sale in China. But its capitalist CEO felt compelled to add, after the Romney ads:
“I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China,” he wrote, adding that the company was planning on more investment in manufacturing and jobs in the American Midwest, including the crucial presidential swing state of Ohio.
And btw, just because some RWer site like the Weekly Standard declares the “Lie of Year” true doesn’t mean it’s true. Statements like that, however, are heartening to liars and other very stupid people.
BTW, I think you’re right. The voters in Ohio saw through this garbage. It probably turned some undecideds against Romney. But whether or not that cost him the election is unclear.
“And speaking of churches, I am in a large city today and attended mass. Giving the homily was a black deacon. His message was about MLK. Fair enough. But then he got into topics like current racism, why the “greedy” don’t help the poor, and the need to pray and support for “compassionate” politicians. There were a lot of leftwing code words in there. I considered corralling him afterwards and telling him I thought his message was not just out of place, but also incorrect. I decided at the end it wasn’t the thing to do. But I was close.
Usually, Mass is a sanctuary from that kind of nonsense. 99.5% of the time, the message rings true and right. I’m just wondering if the priest approved of the message or was it just the deacon doing his own thing?”
Easy answer here: If a church doesn’t reflect your values, leave it.
If, however, the leadership covers up child rapes for decades, and you agree with that, then hang in there!
BTW Suze, how is the Wichita Amerisuites doing? Ya like the place?
hey Ron May,
Actually, the part about what you said to Chuck…you know, the part where you essentially said “cry me a river” to the jobless in the U.S., because …”Chrysler’s out-put was growing in the U.S.”. THAT part. Does that justify, in your lib-mind, that it’s good for China to be getting Chrysler’s new auto plant, and not the U.S.?
Hey Frank STILL doesn’t understand the Jeep thing even after it’s been explained multiple times. Sad.
An All-Harbaugh Super Bowl?
” There were a lot of leftwing code words in there. ”
How about educating us on those left wing code words. If you would share you list, we might be better prepared to recognize the liberal media’s subversive agenda? I’m sure you have the list prepared. We eagerly await the details of it.
I’m sure it pained you to hear someone in your own church with such leftist leanings. I know you’ll enjoy coming home to your own territory where it isn’t necessary to endure the contrary and wrong headed opinions of others.
Hey Ron May,
Regarding your comment concerning “Romney’s efforts… would have force (sic) closure of 1000s of auto dealerships across the U.S. and cost millions of jobs at the dealerships alone.”
1. Were you alseep during 2008-2010? Did you not know that obama’s government takeover of GM and Chrysler DIRECTLY caused between 2000 and 3000 dealerships to close?
2. Regarding your comment that the Romney-caused-dealership closures would have “cost millions of jobs at the closed dealerships alone…”
Well, hmmm.
If each Romney caused-closed dealership averaged 100 jobs (which is a high estimate), and your “millions of lost jobs” was 1 million even, those lost jobs would have come from about 10,000 Romney-caused-dealership closings.
In other words, Romney would have caused the closure of just about all U.S. dealerships which survived the obama-shutdown.
That’s bogus, Ron, and even you know it.
Dan has point. If the church you attend doesn’t reflect your belief system, find one that does. There are over 30,000 denominations from which to select. If’n you so desire, you could even start your own little church and have services at the local Walmart at Clearbrook. Low prices everyday, a bastion of capitalism, and a chance to congregate with like minded people. Win, win win!
CVS sign aside, hope everyone has gotten a flu shot. Bad strain this year. Wishing all a healthy 2013.
hey Mike Scott,
One man’s meat is another man’s poison. Alinsky is poison to me…must be your meat.
“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins-or which is first), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom – Lucifer.”
The above is a quote from none other than your meat, Saul Alinsky.
Rules For Radicals – Prologue
p. xiv – “The political panaceas of the past, such as the revolutions in Russia and China, …”
“panacea” is defined by Webster’s “a remedy for all diseases; difficulties, or ills. a cure-all”.
alinsky, in his “rules For radicals” does raise some interesting questions, and he does profess to want to most help the folks whom he believes will give him victory over the “man”.
Chuck and Frank,
“I saw a story today, that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China,” he said, to boos from the audience.
Apparently you two don’t get out enough because the lack of fresh oxygen is obviously impairing your abilities to logically process factual information. Romney didn’t say Chrysler was Shifting production, he said they were closing the plant in Ohio. It was a lie when he said it in 2012 and it’s still a lie in 2013.
And Frank, is it okay for Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Honda, BMW, VW, Toyota, and Mercedes to close their stateside factories and move production back to the country of origin? They’re a business. Where and when to manufacture their product is entirely up to them as long as it’s not a national security issue. Are you two incapable of grasping the logic of building product where you plan to sell it? Are you both mentally handicapped? I swear to God, you two wouldn’t be able to differentiate a hole in the ground and specific parts of your anatomy if we drew you a map.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/dec/12/lie-year-2012-Romney-Jeeps-China/
With the exception of applewood’s mindless nonsense this is quite possibly the silliest topic we’ve had to entertain since Frank’s “Hook, line and sinker” debacle. Stop this senseless abuse of bandwidth immediately and stand down or we’re making you go back to eating at the kid’s table.
The idea of Hey Frank reading Alinski is by far my biggest guffaw of the day.
Easy answer here: If a church doesn’t reflect your values, leave it.
If, however, the leadership covers up child rapes for decades, and you agree with that, then hang in there!
BTW Suze, how is the Wichita Amerisuites doing? Ya like the place?
Of course the Church reflects my values. A few gay priests who lied in their vows or loose-cannon deacons don’t affect that a bit.
Actually, we are staying commercial this weekend. Flew out West commercial last weekend with the little people. Dang. When did they start charging for checked luggage?
I have to admit that sometimes I get jealous feelings, reading Steve C’s stuff.
“BTW Suze, how is the Wichita Amerisuites doing? Ya like the place?”
Comment by Dan Casey — January 20, 2013 @ 8:50 pm
I guess now we know what’s wrong with Kansas…
I have to admit that sometimes I get jealous feelings, reading Steve C’s stuff
Again, Dan gives his imprimatur to personal attacks by leftwingers.
The entire blog would be improved if everyone completely ignored Frank’s posts.
A quote from a 2010 article in Politico.
“Employees of Armey’s FreedomWorks group have been studying and using Alinsky’s methods — including those in his often overlooked precursor to “Rules,” the 1946 “Reveille for Radicals” — since before he got hot, as an alternative to traditional conservative organizational tactics that focused on influencing elites and intellectuals. And FreedomWorks’ organizers utilized and spread the Alinsky gospel as they traveled the country last year helping newly engaged tea party activists set up their own groups.
“I put together a PowerPoint on grass-roots organizing and the favorite part for a lot of these organizers was how this leftist community organizer Saul Alinsky was so effective and how we can use his tactics against the left,” said FreedomWorks’ top organizer, Brendan Steinhauser.
“You become a better organizer when you understand that there is nothing new under the sun,” Steinhauser said of his appreciation of Alinsky. “All the pitfalls, the problems, the disputes — this is the way human beings are. Politics is a human science and this guy understood that. He was practical. He understood how to get competing factions and interests and individuals to get in the same room and form what he called a ‘peoples’ organization’ and to move in the same direction to take on city hall.”
When Democrats use Alinsky’s methods, that means they accept his worldview lock, stock, and barrel. When Tea Party types do it, they’re saving America from Nobama’s tyranny.
“…FreedomWorks’ organizers utilized and spread the Alinsky gospel…”
Taken straight from the KKKarl Rove playbook, accuse your opponent of something you’re already doing. Are trolls born stupid or do they have to work really hard at it?
#40 There’s suzie bringing up race again.
Anyway, it’s disgusting to watch suzie denigrate a man who by all accounts has changed a pretty sketchy life by turning to Jesus and becoming a born-again Christian, and who just now thanked God on national television. suzie apparently doesn’t believe in redemption.
hey ol ‘dano,
alinsky was a pretty gross topic for me to have once studied…
…but, ya gotta know your adversary. it’s kinda like watching film of the next team you’ll be playin’.
Hey Ron, see my above response to ol’ dano.
hey steve c,
…methinks ol’ dano wants to borrow your knee-pads.
Frank,
Chrysler closed 789 of 3200 dealerships. GM closed 1100 of 5969 dealerships. In about one quarter of the Chrysler closures the Chrysler franchise was part of a dealership that included a Ford or GM franchise. So the total elimination of franchises was less than 1900. That’s certainly not easy, but it’s a damn sight better than shutting down more than 9000 dealerships.
I live in the midwest Frank. Most people believe that letting Chrysler & GM go through liquidation would have just impacted those two companies. What they forget are the parts manufacturers that supply Chrysler, GM & Ford. What they also forget are the local businesses that provide services to the communities in which the auto assembly and parts industries exist. Those same parts manufacturers make parts for Ford and other auto companies. In short Frank, it wouldn’t have just been Chrysler and GM that would have been shuttered. If you think the Great Recession was bad as it was. You really have no clue how much worse it would have been had Chrysler & GM been allowed to be liquidated.
Ok Ron May,
If GM and Chrysler went through bankruptcy, would all of their plants and dealerships been shuttered?
An innocent, amusing little article quickly turns into bunch of vitriolic and radical political posts from both sides mainly by just few people. Dan,you should shut the whole post thing down. You are just increasing the deviseness and radicalism that are running amok in the US.
Ron May,
Hey Frank was against the bailout. Hey Frank wanted all 9000 of those dealerships to close. Fuggedabout those 100,000+ workers (a very conservative estimate). Hey Frank had bigger fish to fry. Hey Frank wanted to crow about all those American jobs lost under Obama, from all of those dealerships closing.
And Obama FOILED HIM AGAIN! Darn that Obama! He got Hey Frank, again!
This explains a lot of the vituperation and frustration evident in Hey Frank’s comments.
Frank, for the love of God stop this nonsense about you knowing how to read! You’re not fooling anyone.
hey ol’ dano,
Same question yo you as to Ron May,
If GM and chrysler went through bankruptcy, would all of their plants and dealerships have been shuttered?
Frank,
They did go through bankruptcy. They emerged. What Romney and apparently you wanted them to do is liquidate. That would have precipitated what I outlined above.
Hey Rodant,
…and here i was, thinking that i brought out the best in ol’ dano.
“And speaking of churches, I am in a large city today and attended mass. Giving the homily was a black deacon. His message was about MLK. Fair enough. But then he got into topics like current racism, why the “greedy” don’t help the poor, and the need to pray and support for “compassionate” politicians.”
–Comment by Suzie
You all will have to forgive me, I feel like my head is spinning for a number of reasons:
1) I had been under the impression that Suze was extremely critical of those who read and post on this blog when they are out of town. Yet she is out of town and she is posting here. Huh?
2) I had been under the impression that Suzie was ALL FOR private charity to the poor by the wealthy. And that it’s GOVERNMENT taking money from the wealthy and spending it on social programs that she’s so much against. But from the comment above, it appears the hair went up on her back in church when a black deacon dared to suggest the same thing she has advocated here, over and over again. She’s like, “How DARE he?!” Huh?
3) From many of Suze’s comments that I have read here, I had labored under the impression (apparently that was a misimpression) that Suze was in favor of prayer. The more prayer, the better — right? And teacher-led prayer in schools, and all that. Yet when a black deacon stands up in church as suggest people pray, she flies into a fury. She wanted to tell him off. Huh?
Ya gotta wonder: are they putting hypocrisy powder in the water in Amerisuites?
Hey Ron May,
Nosiree! You are making one typical big-lib assumption, right there.
I KNOW they went through bankruptcy. And I know that you and ol’ dano know they went threw bankruptcy. Yet, you are cool with it, ’cause your lib-pres did it, and the union leadership was preserved….therefore it is “good”.
However, if it went Romney’s way, in your lib-view of things, it would be “bad”.
Does that about sum it up?
Hey steve c,
…please don’t go bringing God into this conversation. next thing you know, we’ll have justin true and the atheists on here rapping their songs of opposition to religion. Sheesh. And, please give ol’ dano a pair of your old knee-pads.
“The entire blog would be improved if everyone completely ignored Frank’s posts.”
Same with suzie, as we know, but it’s sort of like not looking at the car wreck you’re passing by.
“…quickly turns into bunch of vitriolic and radical political posts…”
You must be new here.
1) I had been under the impression that Suze was extremely critical of those who read and post on this blog when they are out of town. Yet she is out of town and she is posting here. Huh?
That’s for people on summer vacation posting when they should be spending time with their families. These are business trips in the winter.
2) I had been under the impression that Suzie was ALL FOR private charity to the poor by the wealthy. And that it’s GOVERNMENT taking money from the wealthy and spending it on social programs that she’s so much against. But from the comment above, it appears the hair went up on her back in church when a black deacon dared to suggest the same thing she has advocated here, over and over again. She’s like, “How DARE he?!” Huh?
Nah, this dude was all about big gov’t. That’s why he was talking about so-called compassionate politicians and “greedy” people who don’t support them.
) From many of Suze’s comments that I have read here, I had labored under the impression (apparently that was a misimpression) that Suze was in favor of prayer. The more prayer, the better — right? And teacher-led prayer in schools, and all that. Yet when a black deacon stands up in church as suggest people pray, she flies into a fury. She wanted to tell him off. Huh?
Prayer wasn’t the problem, it was his implying that Democrat lawmakers are the only ones who merit our prayers.
Poor Danny Boy busted himself to look up my IP address from last weekend so he could say I was lying about being out West. When he found out the truth, he had to change tack. LOL.
Addledwood
Nice breaking the blogs rules, Gdad. Glad your boy Dan approves. I guess you guys both worked at the RT, huh? And Dan bikes with Steve C. I guess leftwing buds don’t have to follow the rules.
#40 There’s suzie bringing up race again.
Gdad, it’s a real shame you can’t see anything but the race, but it does explain why you miss the gist of what’s said in here.
“Of course the Church reflects my values. A few gay priests who lied in their vows or loose-cannon deacons don’t affect that a bit.”
If ‘suzie’ calls grown men who force sex on little boys ‘gay’, what does she call grown men who force sex on little girls?
Leftwingers really screech whenever Alinsky’s name is mentioned. The truth galls them. Applewood and Frank are dead on.
” I considered corralling him afterwards and telling him I thought his message was not just out of place, but also incorrect. I decided at the end it wasn’t the thing to do. But I was close.”
Chicken.
I just figure it out Dan. Ms. Susie & her hubby are in Washington, DC to see her hero, Barrack Hussien Obama, inaugurated a second time. I think I just saw her in the audience at the Lynard Skynard concert.
Sorry it took me so long.
Frank, I’ve been in a giving mood since Christmas when I attempted to buy some of those dopey looking cheddar head hats for you and Matt to honor the epic fail that was “Hook, line and sinker”. As soon as you accept my gift and let me take a picture of you two gaily festooned with this fine headwear to post on Dan’s blog we talk about bequeathing gifts to other people.
You need to stop playing bad Santa and accept my gift.
If ‘suzie’ calls grown men who force sex on little boys ‘gay’, what does she call grown men who force sex on little girls?
That’s been a rarity among the priest molestation cases. As few as 5%. Kinda trashes the argument that man-boy molestation isn’t about the orientation of the offenders, doesn’t it?
I just figure it out Dan. Ms. Susie & her hubby are in Washington, DC to see her hero, Barrack Hussien Obama, inaugurated a second time
Not me. I wouldn’t walk across the street to see the fraud.
I wonder when we’ll start to see the 50-ft statues and the 10-story murals go up.
Frank@57
In the realm of people I admire Ailinsky isn’t big on my list, but you are fooling yourself if you think that only liberal organizations would use any of his tactics to manipulate a situation. Maybe your education runs deeper than mine, but when Gingrich trotted out Ailinsky and attempted to link him to Obama, I wondered why I had never heard of this fairly dangerous man. If he was so influential, seems like some other politician would have taken advantage of the opportunity to paint him as scary booger man. If J. Edgar Hoover didn’t have a file on him, he must of not been to subversive. May he did? That can be your google adventure today.
Chicken.
You have to think long and hard about scolding someone. Had the deacon mentioned political parties by name or said something contrary to Catholicism, I would have said something. But he played along the edges and was nebulous enough that I decided not to. It was pretty clear what he meant, however. Also, later, he did offer a prayer against abortion and other very good prayers.
While it’s comforting the Mass is the same wherever you go, and that’s the important part, I am sometimes dismayed at messages I hear at big-city at suburban Catholic Churches. The ultra-large, ultra-modern circular ones are more like secular auditoriums; the priest and choir like performers; the message, feel-good. They have a million programs for all ages, but where is the Crucifix? Where are the images of Mary? Where are the Stations of the Cross? Where are the daily masses? To me, the correct message gets buried in all the “stuff”, and it’s one reason I think Catholics were far too reticent in their outrage against obama’s war on Catholicism.
This is where small-town churches have it all over the big-city ones. Everything is more low-key. Go to any small town in Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York, Ohio, Michigan. The churches look like churches; the Masses solemn and prayerful. Morning mass every day. 7:30 a.m. sharp. Then the good people go to their jobs. Even in blue states, this is red-state America, the salt of the earth.
The whole “Alinsky” whine seems to boil down to…”Obama keeps outsmarting us!”
Frank, I’d guess that a good 20% of Alinsky’s vocabulary is well beyond your grasp. Maybe that’s why you don’t like to read his work. And by “read his work”, I mean parrot whatever nonsense you’ve recently picked up about him on Free Republic or whatever.
Debbie, how did you like Wonju? I’ve had the bimimbap and liked it.
“45.And speaking of churches, I am in a large city today…”
So how’s that cement pond.
“An innocent, amusing little article quickly turns into bunch of vitriolic and radical political posts from both sides mainly by just few people. Dan,you should shut the whole post thing down. You are just increasing the deviseness and radicalism that are running amok in the US.
Comment by Rodant — January 20, 2013 @ 10:42 pm”
that what liberals do, divide, blame and spend what you dont have..and lie about all of it
Yep, pammala, that pope is one liberal, divisive guy.
#85 Why, suzie, how come you didn’t mention Addledwood in your list of people who broke the rules? Oh, that’s right, he/she’s right wing. So it’s OK with you. People with right-wing opinions get a break from you, don’t they? Hypocrite.
BTW, have you figured out what part of speech “bedwetter” is? Do you need a clue?
Debbie, Kristen or anybody else who has been to Wonju, do you remember how proficient the English is there? I’ve been wanting to try the place, but as you can imagine, good communication is key for me to be able to eat anywhere.
Kristen, regarding Wonju, we ended up not going. I liked it when I went there before though.
My daughter and grandkids did come in this weekend and we had planned on going there because my grandson is learning the Korean language and we thought he would get a kick out of going there. After lots of running around yesterday afternoon though, he was tired so we stayed home. Pizza for the kids and Pakistani Beef Curry for my daughter and I. I used the recipe Lindsey had in her blog recently. It was wonderful.
that what liberals do, divide, blame and spend what you dont have..and lie about all of it
Comment by pammala — January 21, 2013 @ 9:42 am
Do you not get the irony and blatant hypocrisy of your own words, pammala? You blame the problem solely on liberals and gripe about division. It’s always the other guys’ fault with you. You create disunity by placing all blame on a perceived enemy. You reject the inescapable reality that we’re all in this together in an effort to promote an “us vs them” mentality. That is the definition of divisive! You are willfully being an integral part of the problem about which you like to complain. That’s beyond absurd and you should be ashamed.
Politicians have always spent what they don’t have and every single last one of them lie and will say whatever they need to say to get your vote. The harlotry of Washington isn’t bound by political affiliation. To claim that those two items have anything to do with the letter behind their name is just silly.
I’m glad your family made it in. How cool he’s learning Korean.
That recipe does look good – I’m going to try it, and totally agree about the potatoes/rice thing.
“The left-stream media will do and say anything to get their way…“The ends justify the means“. Saul Alinsky(Dead)”
For the record, Applewood, this quote is from Niccolo Machiavelli (dead). Do you get any of your quotes right, or is your MO to just pull stuff out your butt and hope no one notices.
“but where is the Crucifix? Where are the images of Mary? Where are the Stations of the Cross?”
Comment by Suzie — January 21, 2013 @ 7:57 am
Perhaps they finally wizened up to the blatant and blasphemous idolatry of those things. You know, graven images and all that. The Catholic Church has been long in need of a turn away from the items of the faith and a return to the faith itself. Good for them.
hey mike scott,
I believe the Speaker was letting us know who our opponent was, and that we better get familiar with him, and, and his tactics. Ya know? Sheesh.
gee, steve c! You’re still on THAT kick?
…I thought all you did was think about ways in which you could prostrate yourself in front of bill clinton…and wishing for the time things could get cheddar-cheesy between you two.
Comment by Suzie — January 20, 2013 @ 11:21 pm “Prayer wasn’t the problem, it was his implying that Democrat lawmakers are the only ones who merit our prayers.”
Oh, I pray for some republicans all the time. I pray they rot in hell…does that count?
Gdad@102
My observations about wonju… and I’ve been many times.
If you go for dinner their wait staff seems to me young adults in the asian community, perhaps korean kids. They speak english like middle school teenagers, which is to say they sound just like american kids. They will help you decipher the menu. The adults are little more difficult to understand, but very nice. The only mistake I once made was answering in the affirmative when they asked if I wanted it hot. I said yes and although the squid based meal I had was delicious, it was also excruciating. I asked the server if Koreans like it that hot and she said “no, not really.” It’s not like Thai food which can be pretty hot.
Also a lot of the Korean community eats there. We’ve always seen family groups come in for dinner and if I’m not mistaken, they just tell kitchen how many are coming and the kitchen takes care of the rest.
Korean beer sucks. You’d be better off taking a six pack of natty light. Try makeli, korean rice wine if you want something alcoholic. We usually get green tea.
gee, Hillary…
Got up on the wrong side, this morning, eh?
Pray-tell, how does your comment to Suzie expand the discussion?
“That’s been a rarity among the priest molestation cases. As few as 5%. Kinda trashes the argument that man-boy molestation isn’t about the orientation of the offenders, doesn’t it?”
I wasn’t asking about just the priest molestation cases. I was asking about grown men in general who force sex on little girls in general, such as Kenneth Epperly in Christiansburg. And the stats on how often it happens don’t have anything to do with what name you choose to put on the offender. Let me ask you again: If you call grown men, priests or not, who force sex on little boys, gay, how do you categorize grown men, priests or not, who force sex on little girls? Are they just heterosexual?
http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/315752
Mike Scott, my dad spent a year in Korea 1967-68, when he was in the Army. We lived on a base in Kansas, for the families of soldiers serving overseas. One of our neighbors was a Korean woman who had married a G.I. She was a sweet lady, and my mom would visit with her. The lady had four children, and my mom was over there one day during lunchtime. She said the woman served her kids kim-chee (sp?) which was really spicy. The kids were wolfing it down and not batting an eye.
My late Japanese MIL used to make kimchee. I believe in Korea they bury the jars of cabbage in the ground to ferment.
Debbie, were you at Ft Riley?
Thanks, Mike Scott. My problem is gluten (soy sauce and wheat noodles would be the main offender at Wonju, unless Korean soy sauce is wheat free), so I can’t drink the beer anyway. I do want to try the place and I’ll definitely avoid the “hot.”
BTW, if you go to the Wonju webpage and click on Contact Us, there are coupons for lunch and dinner.
http://www.vawonjukorean.com/contactus.php
Comment by Frank — January 21, 2013 @ 12:41 pm
Well Frank, we all “pray” for different things, no?
Hillary,
Thanks.
I enjoy watching the lib asault on the, ah, “guidelines” ol’ dano posted back on December 7, I believe. Sooo, since he approved your “rot in hell” post, I guess ol’ dano approves of such “prayer” on his blog, …praying that certain political folks “rot in hell”.
Civility be , ah, darned (among libs)! I love watching you libs’ civility wither away, eagerly replaced by your nastier selves. HaHa!
Hey steve c,
Did you see the front page article in the RTs yesterday? The one titled, “Sex-related offenses among top reasons military officers are fired”. Yeah, that one.
Seems Leon Panetta, formerly your buddy bill clinton’s Chief of Staff, now obama’s Defense Secretary, said, “when lapses occur, they have the potential to erode public confidence in our leadership and in our system for the enforcement of our high ethical standards.”
Well, steve c, you know where this is going. Is Panetta wrong with what he is quoted as having said? Was he mis-quoted, perhaps? Do you think Panetta includes the Commander-In-Chief of all U.S. Forces in his remark?
Or, do you think Panetta meant that his comment doesn’t apply to the Commander-In-Chief?
Please share your thoughts.
Comment by Frank — January 21, 2013 @ 3:03 pm
Frank, isn’t “hell” a christian concept? – therefore it is a religious term. I haven’t seen Dan ban religious or biblical terms…or don’t you believe in the christian concept of “hell”?
Kristen, no we weren’t at Ft. Riley. We were in Salina, KS. I said a military base, but I don’t think it was a base so much, as a housing area for military families.
My grandson decided last month that he wanted to learn Korean. My daughter thinks it’s based on three things, the Gangnam thing, the fact that his best friend is part Korean, and that he wants a “secret” language for the club that he and a few friends have. He asked his mom, how and when am I going to learn this? She found an online site and he seriously listens to it and makes notes. They found out that their next door neighbor knows the language and said he’d be happy to work with him on basic words. I think it’s pretty cool too for a 7 year old to be interested in learning another language. We were at my mom’s house on Saturday and she had a wooden figurine that my dad brought back from Korea in ’68. I gave it to my g’son and he promised to take care of it.
Debbie,
That would be near Shilling Air Force Base. I had a cousin stationed there in the 1960s.
It was a nice little place, Ron. Among the things I remember about living there, was that a Ben Franklin store in Salina sold piranhas. I don’t remember how much they cost but they had big signs on the aquariums warning not to put your fingers or hands in them. Small, ugly fish.
Salina, KS was real near the site of the largest ever LSD lab bust in the history of the world. That was in an Atlas missile silo in Ellsworth. I’m acquainted with those guys. Fascinating story. They were caught in 2000
Interesting, Dan.
hey hillary,
it’s cool with me to be told to go rot somewhere. however, you might recall that your lib-leader, ol’ dano, posted some requests concerning some “do’ and don’ts” for us to follow…maybe allll the way back in early December…maybe six weeks ago?
i so enjoy watching his own lib-minions trash those requests. what is the world coming to?
hey hillary,
i’ll know where i am if i end up in a place full of libs. and, i’ll also know what’s expected of me…
Frank @3:17; are you really serious? What is the point of this nonsense? I’m a very busy man and do not have time to waste playing games with clowns. I expect you to put some thought and creativity into future posts directed at me.
Debbie, Salina is about an hour west of Riley on 70. When I was working for NFIB it was in my territory and I drove there a bunch. Just south was a neat town named Lindsborg that was all Swedish.
My territory went as far west as Russell, the hometown of Bob Dole. One of my clients was a jewelry store owner who had been campaign manager for his first run for office.
Interesting, Dan.
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–Comment by Debbie
Debbie, the “Your daily Letter to the Columnist” earlier this month was by the ringleader of that gang. His name is Leonard Pickard.
“i so enjoy watching his own lib-minions trash those requests.”
Just following your example, Frankie.
wizened up
lol
gee steve c,
heck, you openly criticize me for actually reading the RTs…and the front page article about infidelities among the military leadership, and the investigation of same as ordered by leon panetta…and drew the connection to bill clinton’s own “leadership example” while cavorting with a 21 year old intern while in the White House…drew the connection to you and your eagerness to defend said leader…and brought it all to your attention…for your thought and reflection.
What say you about ol’ bill clinton’s Commander In Chief “leadership”, eh?
and, why hasn’t leon panetta criticized his former boss? can you say, “hypocrissy”, steve c?
Perhaps they finally wizened up to the blatant and blasphemous idolatry of those things.
J.M. White,
Surely you have photographs of loved ones around the house. Does that mean you worship those images?
Last chance, Frank; take your time, try to focus on making a coherent thought. Last chance, sparky.
I will probably be too busy to properly respond until Thursday evening or maybe even Friday but so help me to God if you keep trying to crawl down this rabbit hole I’m going to burn you like Rick James does a ho with a hot crack pipe.
Have a Come to Jesus meeting with your common sense or I will bury you; my tolerance for idiotic behavior got used up at 8:45am and you’re way on the wrong side on a very short fuse. I will virtually club you like a baby harp seal if you persist. Move on and don’t trifle me with your silly questions unless you want to spend your virtual existence being known as Steve C’s personal slap monkey.
Surely you have photographs of loved ones around the house. Does that mean you worship those images?
Comment by Suzie — January 21, 2013 @ 10:21 pm
No, but I don’t pray to them, either. I don’t make pilgrimages to see them, leave offerings at their feet or ask them to look after my loved ones, as well. Nor do I claim miracles visited upon me by them.
If you knew anything about the history of your faith, you’d know that Mary was made into a cornerstone of Catholicism mainly because pagan converts needed a feminine aspect to the religion in order to accept it. For thousands of years previous, the pagans understood the importance of both the masculine and the feminine sides of life and the world, something Christianity struggles with even to this day. The only way to steer the pagans attention away from Mother Earth and other maternal objects was to focus them on the Holy Mother. Of course, it can be argued that the entire concept of the virgin birth and holy mother were originally created to fill that feminine role but that’s another thesis entirely.
What remains is that your Blessed Virgin statues are nothing more than a pagan appeasement and blasphemous capitulation to the heathen belief systems. Nowhere in my Bible does it say to pray at the feet of a statue of Mary; I don’t think there’s a mention of a Mary statue at all. In fact, I think the bible is extraordinarily specific about worshiping at the foot of any graven image (see also Exodus 20:4, Leviticus 26:1, Acts 17:29, Deuteronomy 4:16-19, Isaiah 42:8). The history of Catholicism’s assimilation of pagan belief and ritual is nearly as long as it’s history of attempted eradication of them.
Kristen @ 8:20 That’s cool. Dan, I remember that “Letter to the Columnist” I’ll have to go back and read it.
No, but I don’t pray to them, either. I don’t make pilgrimages to see them, leave offerings at their feet or ask them to look after my loved ones, as well. Nor do I claim miracles visited upon me by them.
Excellent. Neither do we worship these images. They are reminders just as your treasured photographs are for you. We don’t worship any being but God. The idea that we worship statues is either from ignorance or willful propaganda. We do honor Mary and the saints and ask their intercession.
Thinking of my time in Salina, at the age of 10, my best friend and I rode our bikes all over and there was never a thought of anything bad happening to us then. Sadly, times sure have changed.
I guess ‘suzie’ won’t or can’t answer my question about how she caregirizes adult males who prey on little girls sexually.
Suzie: Whether you, personally, or anyone in the faith (and they most certainly do) literally worships them is irrelevant. The Bible is very clear about graven images of any kind, worship or not, and actually illustrates a great point given our subject. You may not worship at the feet of Mary, at the feet of a crucifix or at any other item in the church, but there are thousands that do. The church was never supposed to be about the items within it. When it becomes such, it is no longer a church in anything but name. Other than the obvious idolatry, that is specifically why the “no graven image” caveat is there in the first place. Lamenting the absence of such things is NOT giving all of your glory to God. There is no way you can parse that.
“We do honor Mary and the saints and ask their intercession.”
What exactly do you call kneeling at a statue of the Blessed Virgin and asking her to intercede in your life? If that’s not worship, then what is it? The Bible is pretty clear about that as well. There are only two beings since the Old Testament powerful enough to intercede in the lives of humans, God and Satan (only with permission from God). Again, when you pray to Mary and the saints, you are practicing a holdover of ancestor worship from bygone pagan eras. There is no precedent for it in the Bible; it is an assimilated ritual, whether you like and/or accept it or not.
I know it may be difficult to accept, but the history of the Catholic Church has been a malleable one. Catholicism didn’t just spring from the ground in its current form overnight; it’s been a 2,000 year evolution. Cover your eyes and cover your ears all you want, but Peter wouldn’t even recognize the church today. He’d likely be mortified, actually.
holy cow, steve c,
…take a few deep breaths. relax. it’s only a blog.
JM White@143
For the life of me, I can’t figure out why Catholicism isn’t categorized as a polytheistic religion. It appears from the outside that saints are just minor gods who seem to sometimes intercede in the affairs of man. There’s a saint for just about every malady or circumstance and oodles of prayers are directed toward them.
You can pray to Saint Gertrude if you fear mice. I didn’t know that.
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/patron08.htm
“wizened up
lol”
What you laughing at, suzie? Oh, did you suddenly realize after you posted this that “wizened” is a word?
I doubt it, gdad. I think that she wants to point out that my autocorrect was an incorrect definition of what I was trying to say. How “wizened up” came from “got wise” is beyond me. Not my iphone, not my problem. This is why I usually stick to the laptop. Regardless, I’ve never made any claim as to being flawless, so it just breaks down to a big “HUR HUR! You made a mistake, you big dum-dum!”.
In the meantime, I’m going to enjoy watching her squirm with (or run from) the continuing revelations of the uncomfortable realities of her church and it’s evolution.
I’m sure Lady Gwadaloop is in a forgiving mood regarding “typos”.
Being raised in the Baptist faith, I’ve never understood the Catholic intercession thing. Baptists pray directly to the source. I did like this reasoning that I saw on some web site. If Jesus is busy, who better to give him a message, than his mother.
Maybe you can enlighten me, Ron May.
#147 Dang, J.M., I thought you meant maybe she had gotten older looking AND wiser. And I’m sure that wizened has come to also mean “wise” to many because of the whole older and wiser thing and because of the similar pronunciation. Oh well.
Frank, its “only a blog” that you keep littering with imbecilic nonsense.p
The Bible is very clear about graven images of any kind, worship or not,
I guess J.M. White is claiming God forbids all those graven sports trophies, too. Get ‘wize’, will you?
And I’m sure that wizened has come to also mean “wise” to many because of the whole older and wiser thing and because of the similar pronunciation. Oh well.
Too late trying to cover, Gdad. JM White already admitted the screw up. LOL.
I guess J.M. White is claiming God forbids all those graven sports trophies, too. Get ‘wize’, will you?
Comment by Suzie — January 22, 2013 @ 2:37 pm
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.” Exodus 20:4 ESV
I’ve studied Exodus extensively and I’ve never seen an exemption for sports trophies. Are you trying to argue that because it’s common practice now that it’s suddenly okay with God? Acceptance by the public at large is no way the same thing as God coming down and saying, “I’ve had a change of heart; this, this and this are okay with me now.” Get a grip.
So tell me, Suzie: why do you think sports trophies are okay in God’s eyes? Simply because God allows them to be made? Or is it just because you don’t deem it an egregious enough sin? I seriously want to know how you justify this.
“I’ve studied Exodus extensively and I’ve never seen an exemption for sports trophies. Are you trying to argue that because it’s common practice now that it’s suddenly okay with God? Acceptance by the public at large is no way the same thing as God coming down and saying, “I’ve had a change of heart; this, this and this are okay with me now.” Get a grip.”
-Comment by J.M. White
OK, it’s official then. The Vince Lombardi Trophy is unChristian. But those infernal godless networks are going to ram it into the optic nerves of good Christians all over America as they tune into the Superbowl shortly. This is yet more evidence of the persecution of Christians in this Christian-majority nation.
Better shield your eyes that day, Suzie.
Who worships, or prays to sports trophies?
Who worships, or prays to sports trophies?
My point exactly, but J.M. White is claiming the Bible forbids them.
suzie’s still trying to figure out what irony is.
Are you going to answer my questions or not, Suzie? The verse I quoted says nothing about worship of graven images, it just forbids them outright. The worshiping of graven images is covered in the next verse.
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Dan, it makes you wonder how a religion that essentially outlaws art in most forms ever survived into the modern day without completely crushing artistic and scientific advancement…
Oh, wait! We had a thousand years of the Dark Ages that pretty much did exactly that, thanks in large part to… wait for it… the Catholic Church. God didn’t do that; the church did. I truly feel that if God were to come down to Earth today, he’d look at 90% of today’s Christians and ask, “I know you but you do not know me. For those who have lost my word cannot know me.”
The Catholic church has been so susceptible to corruption that it’s had a schism within itself (twice, arguably) and additionally lost nearly half of its flock to Protestantism.
A law is a law, regardless of how ridiculous it may be. If one accepts the Holy Bible as the infallible word of God, then one must accept all rules and regulations within it. If not, you end up with David Koresh (whom God told it was okay for him to sleep with 12-13 year-old girls, even telling one girl that God commanded her to marry him when she balked at his advance) and Jim Jones (whom God told it was okay to have homosexual sex with his congregation). These are people who manipulated the faithful to serve their own agendas. That’s something the Catholic Church has been adept at for over a thousand years and they’ve become exceedingly proficient at it. One need only look at Suzie’s blind, ignorant obedience as evidence.
A law is a law, regardless of how ridiculous it may be. If one accepts the Holy Bible as the infallible word of God, then one must accept all rules and regulations within it.
I think Dan is making fun of J.M.White for implying sports trophies aren’t biblical. I agree with Dan the notion is absurd.
Notice atheists only argue the Old Testament which Catholics believe is filled with parables not to be taken literally as well as practices which have replaced in the New Testament. In the Old Testament for example, people were called on to make animal sacrifices. That practice was ended with the coming of Jesus and new ways of doing things. In the OT, man was punished for worshipping idols which could mean all manner of ‘false gods’ such as a preoccupation with lust, drinking, gambling, promiscuity, etc. One has to apply a level of common sense.
Sorry to disappoint, JMWhite. You may be used to talking to literalists. I’m not one of them.
“Notice atheists only argue the Old Testament which Catholics believe is filled with parables not to be taken literally as well as practices which have replaced in the New Testament. In the Old Testament for example, people were called on to make animal sacrifices. That practice was ended with the coming of Jesus and new ways of doing things.”
–Comment by Suzie
If I understand her correctly it’s that the OT is full of parables, and the NT is not.
Does this ring false to anyone else?
Sometimes the stuff RWers put here is reminds me of a mustard seed that someone sows in a field. It is the smallest of all the seeds, but when it has grown it is the greatest of shrubs and later becomes a tree, big enough for birds to come and make nests in its branches.
A case in point: mikeO’s and Frank’s insistence that liberals in the 1970s were up in arms about “global cooling.” Nobody was, of course; had that been the case there would be a documentable record, from the 70s, of conservatives mocking liberals for it, and claiming that it was a plot the one-world-government crowd hatched to further their goals. Just like they mock them over global warming now.
No such record exists. Why? Because there was no mocking. Why? Because there was no global cooling movement. Why? Because there was no scientific consensus about it.
Yet, from the tiniest of seeds — that one scientific paper, mostly ignored in 1966, grew a bush in the 1970s. It got an article in Newsweek and a few others here an there — the National Enquirer probably had one. And Omni, and a long-forgotten TV documentary or two.
Today, that bush has become a huge tree of lies. The birds in its branches are the RWers. And they sing lies. A principal lie is that there ever was was a “global cooling” movement or significant alarm over it, either in by scientists or the general public, to begin with.
Oh yeah, no parables in the NT! Good grief.
If I understand her correctly it’s that the OT is full of parables, and the NT is not.
That’s where your problem is. You did not understand correctly, then you went on to blather stuff that followed from your incorrect reading. I did not say the New Testament has no parables.
I see Sandi followed suit. Leftwingers don’t read and don’t listen. They must be terrible bores at parties.
Suzie, you were the one that brought sports trophies into this. You went with the absurd, I rolled with it.
One has to apply a level of common sense.
I fully agree to that. Yet…
what happens when what you think of as common sense is contradictory to the opinion of the majority, even within your own faith? Are you then allowed to let your own common sense override that of the church? If so, what is the purpose of the power structure within your faith, considering that common sense and the Bible are all you really need?
That’s the deep, dark secret that the Catholic Church doesn’t want you to know, by the way – they’re just trimmings on the tree. They’re not needed to get into heaven and never have been.
I have my church and I attend it every single day. It is the most beautifully decorated cathedral you’ll ever see. There’s really no end to the incredible detail and seemingly infinite depth.
It’s a little patch of woods near my apartment where I can go sit and just be. It’s watching the Tech students scramble from class to class, marveling at the thousands of different personalities on display, each nearly oblivious of any other. It’s studying the myriad complexities of the human hand and it’s dexterity. It’s the absolute amazement of the different personalities and characters on this blog. It’s sitting next to a roaring campfire on a crisp January night. This is my church, and I’m in attendance at this very moment.
I don’t always set a good example. I don’t always do the right thing. I do try to be a good person and I try to make amends for my mistakes. That’s all I can do. I don’t need buildings made of stone and wood and arbitrary people within to instruct me on how to do that. If you feel that you do need that to be faithful, then so be it. I truly do hope it works for you. I just refuse to believe that it’s the only path to heaven.
You can call me an atheist if you like, but the truth is that I am a seeker. I’m in search of God every single day of my life. Only time will tell if I find what I seek, of course. In the mean, I choose a life of discovery over a lifetime of dogma. I never was one for a leash.
Another story about abuse by a priest, or more specifically, the cover up by church officials. That anyone would defend the child abusers is sickening. The fact that people defend the ones that covered for the abusers is disgusting.
http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?catid=57565286&feed_id=0&videofeed=36
(Sorry for the mobile link)
‘suzie’ lost all credibility to argue or discuss Christianity or Catholicism when she compared Rush Limpball to Jesus Christ on Easter weekend.
I choose a life of discovery over a lifetime of dogma. I never was one for a leash.
The problem you’ll run into is when your wish to follow your whim collides with natural law. Like people who screw around outside of marriage tend to find out.