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Note from Dan: Our guest post today is from a guy named David, who sent me this email Wednesday. It puts some words in Jefferson’s mouth that he never said and makes three easily disprovable claims as part of an argument for an unnecessary constitutional amendment. Each one is an outlandish lie, which is characteristic of the kind of garbage certain blush-proof anonymous posters (like Frank, Leon, Suzie and applewood) regularly put in comments here. If you’ll click on highlighted links in the article, you’ll find the substantiation for the falsity of the claim. Or you can read all the way to the end, where there’s some additional text by me.

By David

“The course of history shows that as a government grows liberty decreases.”  Thomas Jefferson

This, like many things, is just not the way it is supposed to be. Children of congress members do not have to pay back their college student loans. How nice!  Monday on Fox news they learned that the staffers of Congress family members are exempt from having to pay back student loans.

This will get national attention if other news networks will broadcast it. When you add this to the below, just where will all of it stop? . Governors of 35 states have filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.

This will take less than thirty seconds to read. If you agree, please pass it on.  This is an idea that we should address.

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws  they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws.

The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform . . . in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

If each person that receives this will forward it on to 20 people, in three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one proposal that really should be passed around.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution: “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States .

You are one of my 20.

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Additional note from Dan:

1. As documented by Monticello.org, Thomas Jefferson never said that. At best, it’s a bastardization of the actual line, “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.”

2. There is a small federal student loan repayment program that some departments of the federal government participate in. It’s a carrot that some agencies use to recruit and hire workers they want. It’s not unlike higher education tuition assistance that many private corporations offer employees as a benefit. The email apparently twists that program into the children-of-members-of-Congress myth. Politifact notes: “The chain e-mail said that members of Congress, their families and staff members do not have to repay student loans. This is ridiculously false. We rate it Pants on Fire.”

3. Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-North Carolina, debunks the myth that members of Congress can retire with fully pay after one term.

4. Forbes efficiently debunks the Congress/ACA lie: “The false narrative suggesting that Congress gave themselves a special deal appears to have begun with John Fund of the Wall Street Journal . . . This line of bull was peddled to an even larger audience by Sean Hannity, a man who never met a fact that he wasn’t willing to ignore while making up a new one to better suit his purpose. “

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121 COMMENTS

  1. Ron May | January 25, 2013 at 7:31 am

    This is like some of the comments about the economy the RWingers have posted recently: Of course those posts get busted by facts like these.

    http://www.forconstructionpros.com/press_release/10845089/housing-remains-on-growth-track-for-2013

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/05/markets-usa-stocks-idUSL1E8L566I20121005

    http://news.yahoo.com/jobless-claims-drop-five-low-labor-market-healing-133257002–business.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    While our economy is far from perfect, it is headed in the right direction. That growth will continue if the RWing obstructionists don’t continue to get in the way.

  2. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Believe me…anything that Dannie doesn`t like, he deems it a lie..Just as the major media outlets do across the country. Thats why they are all in deep monetary trouble, as is Dan Caseys employer. Doesn`t fit your ideology ? Then just call it a lie…What a great role model you are, Dan.

  3. Kendra | January 25, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Probably the constant barrage of left wing lies are even worse, don’t you think? Problem is the left wingers control most of the media, with exception of WSJ and FOX. Thank goodness we have those two. No one knows what Jefferson REALLY said because history changes it depending on how much the left wingers get into rewriting the history books, as we have seen escalate in the past 50 years.

  4. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Now, for little Ronnie Mays incredibly stupid comment..“if the RWobstructionists don`t continue to get in the way“…By all means, lets get the Right Wing out of the way so that the ignorant politicans on the left can continue to spend $$ we DON`T HAVE. Should we continue to borrow $$$ from China? The interst is only 4 BILLION/Day. RON….Do you spend more than you bring in each month ??? In reading your previous statements, I`d bet the answer would be `Yes`.

  5. Old blue | January 25, 2013 at 9:17 am

    I know there is still high unemployment, but today’s economy is far stronger than 2009′s. one would have to be blind not to notice it.

  6. Dan Casey | January 25, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Just like PP (on another thread) applewood and Kendra don’t get it, and here’s why: In the RWer mindset and newspeak, any RWer assertion = truth. The bolder and more outrageously false an assertion is, the more truth it contains. And anything that undermines such a RWer assertion is a flat-out lie. Of course, this doesn’t comport with the dictionary. How could it? In the RWer mindset, dictionaries are another liberal conspiracy to deceive, right up there with the media, historians, teachers and many other people and institutions.

  7. Mike Scott | January 25, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Who is little Ronnie May?

  8. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 9:32 am

    You can buy a position, but you CANNOT buy respect. Speaking of obama, he ordered the cabinet to cut $100,000,000.00(one hundred million)from the $3,500,000,000,000.00(3.5 TRILLION) budget. I`m going to cut my spending by exactly the same ratio( 1/35,000). After doing the math, it looks like instead of spending $2000/month(groceries, mortgage, etc), I`m going to have to cut back by 6 cents or $1999.94…..But, that what sacrifice is all about.

  9. Pirengle | January 25, 2013 at 9:37 am

    There is a small federal student loan repayment program that some departments of the federal government participate in.

    It also depends on your guarantor, your repayment schedule, and how long you have to work for the gov’t agency. And the paperwork involved to make the payments directly. It ain’t cash handed out for free.

  10. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 9:49 am

    What we have embarked upon what may be a life-changer for the right-wing who post on this mess…We are learning that the `left-wing` has figured out how to spend more than you bring in. Ron, Dan, Kristen, and unbelievably, Richard Beason, CPA(thats Certified Public Accountant !!!!!)Sandi, Gdad, Steveie C…a long and dignified list. We on the `right` would be glad to pay( and I mean BIG $$$$$ ) to learn from the aformentioned,on how we too can spend more than we bring in. Being that its Dans all-powerful blog, lets let him explain it. Now, I know you don`t like me Dan, but once you`ve given us your secret to this revolutionary stride , I WILL send you a check for your services. Quiet, students…for the Headmaster is about to enlighten us…..You`re on, Dan.

  11. Ron May | January 25, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Yeah applewood, I got that same stupid emai you just quoted at 9:32 a.m. The problem is applewood, that same email circulated in the spring of 2009 when Obama had just become president. He hasn’t made such a proposal in 2013. Stop lying!!

  12. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Ronnie May…get out of your footie-pajamas and go out into the real world. No, I take that back…your little liberal bubble couldn`t withstand the pressure.

  13. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Well, Ron..can`t you answer the question from post #4….Do YOU spend more than you bring in….We`re waiting……..

  14. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 10:03 am

    I apologize to all the `left` that I have hounded on this site. It won`t happen anymore. (Now, please release your “spend more than you bring in“ CD, to the public).

  15. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Odd…crickets in the snow.

  16. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 10:18 am

    David Letterman learns his lesson….as all of you will. Obama is a pathelogical LIAR.

  17. Ron May | January 25, 2013 at 10:22 am

    What is it that Republicans won’t do to destroy their chances of getting women to vote for them??

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/24/new-mexico-abortion-evidence-tampering/1862767/

  18. Kristen | January 25, 2013 at 10:30 am

    applehead, actually you CAN’T buy a position. Ask the Koch brothers and Romney.

  19. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Let me guess, Ron..the answer to how you `spend more than you bring in` is buried within the `link` you provided…Can`t wait to find it. See folks, this is what liberals do…throw out lie after lie and when questioned on their validity, they `run` from it,,They cannot handle the truth, for it upsets the structure of the `bubble`…take your little ball and go home, ron.

  20. Lori | January 25, 2013 at 10:42 am

    With people like applewood spewing such nonsense (and by that, I mean I cannot make any sense of what he’s saying), it’s no wonder the right wingers are in trouble.

  21. Original Greg | January 25, 2013 at 10:54 am

    I stopped reading in the second paragraph when I hit the term FOX News. Talk about two words that don’t go together. Anyone who gets their facts from FOX News isn’t work reading. The nuts that take that BS as truth are simply amazing.

  22. gdad | January 25, 2013 at 11:08 am

    “Doesn`t fit your ideology ? Then just call it a lie…”

    This is addledwood saying this??? Calling everything a lie — even stuff that absolutely proven to be true — is the only schtick you have.

  23. Kristen | January 25, 2013 at 11:18 am

    applehead, “crickets” reflect the general interest in your posts.

  24. Dan Casey | January 25, 2013 at 11:28 am

    “Let me guess, Ron..the answer to how you `spend more than you bring in` is buried within the `link` you provided…Can`t wait to find it. See folks, this is what liberals do…throw out lie after lie and when questioned on their validity, they `run` from it,,They cannot handle the truth, for it upsets the structure of the `bubble`…take your little ball and go home, ron.”

    Applewood:

    It’s hard for some to wrap their minds around the concept that you have to borrow and spend to get out of the kind of hole we’re in. But it’s the economic reality, and it’s born out by history and fact. Probably you’ll declare all of the below a liberal lie. Your blinders won’t allow otherwise. Nevertheless it’s true.

    1) You may have heard about the Great Depression, the worst economic crisis in this nation’s history. (It was not a myth devised by liberal historians). It began during the presidency of Herbert Hoover, and his belt-tightening efforts made it worse.

    2) After FDR was elected, this country embarked on a spending program. We spent money that we didn’t take in. There was an anemic recovery, because we weren’t doing enough deficit spending, because of the political realities. Massive deficit spending didn’t occur until we entered World War II. And that’s what caused the recovery. The resulting growth produced enough tax revenue for the government to pay off the borrowing that we had done.

    3) Essentially that’s what’s happening now. In dollar terms, the deficits are bigger because of inflation and because the economy’s a lot bigger, too. The population is much larger too. Still the deficit spending we’re engaging in now is nowhere near as big as what we did during World War II. And that’s why the current recovery hasn’t been more robust.

    I don’t expect you to believe this, but it doesn’t really matter. You’ll believe what you want to believe — damn the history, damn the facts, damn the reality. The same goes for some others on this blog.

  25. gdad | January 25, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Predicted reply from applewood to Dan concerning his well-thought-out post: “Liberals lie all the time”!!!!

  26. Dan Casey | January 25, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    “Predicted reply from applewood to Dan concerning his well-thought-out post: “Liberals lie all the time”!!!!”
    –Comment by gdad

    Predicted reply number #2: Applewood will invent yet another fake quote from Thomas Jefferson to buttress his/her bizarre ramblings.

  27. Warren | January 25, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    “I have found that while there are many types with inflammatory properties, it is applewood that gets burned most easily”

    Thomas Jefferson, Notes On Virginia

  28. Kristen | January 25, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    “Ye olde Roanoke Times spakes lieths”. TJ

  29. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Liberals live in a bizarro world. Where truth is ignored or bent to meet with their childish ideology. It has been proven by nearly all in the biased-media that the liberals simply cannot handle the truth. This is why they just print their beliefs for persuasion…and, it works on the idiots. It scares them, hence, the protective bubble they hide in. Real-world truisms are causing the libs to run scared, go extremely gray and WORRY. Sad, but true.

  30. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Dan, you wouldn`t know facts and reality if it hit you in the face…and this too, goes to the rest of the crybaby libs on this site.

  31. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    No,Kristen…. I`ve already asked George Soros. You know, the altar where you worship.

  32. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Hey Dan…You sure know alot about Jefferson to be so totally different…He certainly knew that you can`t spend more than you bring in…Don`t try and bend this, you already have proven yourself to be a fool. And, Why Dan do you post on this site as 5 different people ? Is it to give your blog a `heavier leftist` presence ? That is totally pathetic. No wonder the RT is a failure.

  33. J.M. White | January 25, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Dan, you wouldn`t know facts and reality if it hit you in the face…and this too, goes to the rest of the crybaby libs on this site.

    Comment by applewood — January 25, 2013 @ 1:09 pm

    Translation: I have nothing substantial with which to reply and you guys are beating me like a pinata at a Tijuana block party, so my measured, rational response is YOU’RE ALL A BUNCH OF LIARS AND STUPID JERKFACES! Take your “evidence” and your “proof” and shove it, poopyheads!

  34. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    #28…Obviously Warren, you know nothing about hardwoods. Obviously, you know nothing about anything else either.

  35. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Now, you won`t read this in a liberal-biased paper(duh), but it appears that KimJong Il`s son has said that he is planning on nuking the USA…O.K. .. this guy obviously has a screw/2 lose, which makes it all the more scary….Just thought you moronic liberals would want to start the process of lining up a good lawyer for him. That is what you would do, is it not ?

  36. Ron May | January 25, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    I think this is what applewood was saying J.M. :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDQHjYIojTs

  37. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    #21…Lori…who are you really ? Could this be Dan posing as `Lori` this time? Lori…Do you spend more than you bring home ? Tell me how !

  38. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Well, Ron…out of hiding ? Now, you can tell me about this amazing ability you have of totally ignoring mathematics and having an other-worldly ability to spend more than you bring in. Maybeits because you still live in your mommies basemnet. Never acceptiong ANY responsibility for anything puts you in the drivers seat to be the #2 poster-BOY of the progressive party…you and J.M. White. Sweet.

  39. Dan Casey | January 25, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Applewood,

    Many have accused me in the past of “creating” blog personas like YOU, for the purpose of making conservatives look bad. I neither would do that or need to, however (thank you very much). This is the first time I’ve been accused of masquerading as other sensible posters, though!

    (Cue the comment from Applewood now, claiming I am masquerading as him).

  40. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    “Those that hammer their guns into plows, will work for those that do not.“ Dan Casey

  41. Dan Casey | January 25, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    “Now, you can tell me about this amazing ability you have of totally ignoring mathematics and having an other-worldly ability to spend more than you bring in.”
    –Comment by Applewood

    Applewood,

    Do you own a house? If so, did you pay cash for it, or did you finance that with deficit spending? Like most people do?

    Even if you don’t have a mortgage, I assure they exist. They are not another lie from liberals, nor are they otherworldly. They are real, though I would understand if you don’t recognize that.

  42. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Dan…despite your meager role at the failing `Times`, you could at least be honest for once in your life…We know you have `5` alternate posting names….Just tell the public how many more, before we have to do the work ! Save us the trouble.(This is how the `left` decieves…their whole existence is constant deception, un-truths).

  43. Kristen | January 25, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    I’m sure the rent in mommy’s basement is reasonable.

  44. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    My God, Dan…what a pathetic analogy… that is so stupid that I find it difficult to even answer. If you were to go to the bank for a mortgage loan, but you didn`t have enough income to support the new mortgage payment, would the bank loan you the money ? My God, you`re a perfect fit…run as a Democrat. This, my friends, is where the Democrats will LIE right through their teeth to make you think that borrowing $$ that you CAN`T pay back is O.K. ..Deception , LIES is what the left is all about. PLEASE REFER TO POST #42 for Proof of `leftist` idiocy.

  45. Lori | January 25, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    applewood, I would hazard a guess that there are A LOT of Americans who live beyond their means. Have you ever heard of credit cards? How do you think many Americans afforded their lifestyles before the recession? They spent far more than they brought in by getting credit lines on their homes, maxing out credit cards, then opening more and continuing to spend.

    Dan makes the great point about mortgages. Car loans? Same thing. School loans? Yep. Spending someone else’s money!

  46. pammala | January 25, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    “it is headed in the right direction.”

    yeh right…try what obama does in your own budget, it will never work for you and it will never work for this country,..obama is a sad little commieboy

  47. wayne goodman | January 25, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    33.Hey Dan…You sure know alot about Jefferson to be so totally different…He certainly knew that you can`t spend more than you bring in…Don`t try and bend this, you already have proven yourself to be a fool. And, Why Dan do you post on this site as 5 different people ? Is it to give your blog a `heavier leftist` presence ? That is totally pathetic. No wonder the RT is a failure.

    Comment by applewood — January 25, 2013 @ 1:19 pm

    Read a little Jeffersonian history to find out if he “certainly knew that you can’t spend more than you bring in”. He ended up bankrupt and only stayed afloat as long as he did because of the natural “increase” in his flock of slaves. To stay afloat he periodically sold off a few of the “increase” to the slave traders who were supplying Mississippi, Alabama, and the Louisiana territory.

  48. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Dan…when you open `Caseys Bank & Trust`, please let me know…I want to be one of the first to get my Non-repayable `loans` before you go OUT OF BUSINESS. I have to assume you`ll have a good supply of fountain pens and balloons. NeverNeverLand is where the left resides, people. Sad.

  49. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Thanks, Wayne…even though you are of the leftist ilk, you at least have some common sense…you`ve got a LOAD of work to do Wayne..Godspeed, son !

  50. J.M. White | January 25, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    No no no. You’ve got it all wrong, applewood. I’m Lori… and Ron May and Warren and Kristen and about 20 or 21 other personalities on this site. I’m also Frank, but that’s a revelation that has a lot of explaining due and I simply don’t have the time right now. It’s hard work, establishing independent local (and a few national) proxies for all of them and keeping each one’s personality in line. It’s getting more difficult to stay in character these days. This is all in an effort to keep Dan off the trail of my dastardly plot to take over his site.

    In fact, this isn’t even Dan’s Blog. It’s really mine, I just let him operate under his own name for legal reasons. I didn’t want to reveal that fact quite yet, but you’re such a hound at rooting out the truth in your exhaustive research of things that I knew I wouldn’t be able to keep it hidden.

    I would appreciate it if you didn’t ruin things for me by telling everyone that they’re actually me. I rather enjoy talking to myself. Thanks in advance.

    You pal,
    Kristen Ron May Sandi Saunders J.M. White

  51. Blue John | January 25, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Applewood,

    How much money do you put into your budget for floods, hurricanes, wildfires, earthquakes, and other natural disasters?

  52. ron may | January 25, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    I didn’ think you allow children like applewood on the blog Dan.

  53. Dave Hicks | January 25, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Re: J.M. White @ 2:24 pm

    LOL

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  54. Mike Scott | January 25, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    About Jefferson:

    “He certainly knew that you can`t spend more than you bring in…”

    Bwahahaha….. Jefferson said that about government and then ran up huge personal debts. Among the many volumes of communications left by Jefferson are those of his creditors trying to what was owed to them. They were not very successful. My mother, a docent at Poplar Forest, recently showed me some of the primary documents from his creditors related to that building project. Personally, the man wasn’t very good with money.

  55. gdad | January 25, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    “He certainly knew that you can`t spend more than you bring in…”

    Thank you for that solid display of your ignorance, addledwood.

  56. Frank | January 25, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    hey applewood,

    holy cow, you sure hav’em stirred up! they’re spinning around, mad as hornets, with nowhere to go but to keep spinning!

    ILMAO! Thank you, sir!

  57. wayne goodman | January 25, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Mike Scott @2:42

    The hilarity of that comment and the one I made previously about Jefferson’s bankruptcy and selling slaves to stay afloat is that applewood
    thinks we are backing up his insanity!

  58. gdad | January 25, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Frank, congratulating addledwood, a liar who never posts facts. Sounds about right for Frank.

    BTW, Frankie, apple has posted about 40 percent of this thread. An even higher percentage than your trolling idol, suzie.

  59. Kristen | January 25, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    He doesn’t embarrass easily, I’ll say that for applehead.

  60. Warren | January 25, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    “I have found that while there are many types that are quite fine and rare, it is applewood that is by far the most common. Applewood having a soft, twisted quality and malodorous scent, however, it’s value in the positive affairs of men must necessarily be limited to decoration”.

    Thomas jefferson, Notes On Virginia

  61. Warren | January 25, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    “It being by the fruit of the applewood that Eve became fallen, man ever since has considered it to be a dangerous thing, as is the information from the snake, or the fox”

    Thomas Jefferson, The Jefferson Bible (The Life And Morals Of Jesus Of Nazareth)

  62. Frank | January 25, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    hey Lori,

    I couldn’t disagree with you more. ol’ dano’s doing the ol’ “bait and switch routine” on you.

    Those of us who have mortgages, car loans, student loans, etc., to pay off… do so with …our own…money ….while ol’ dano and his lib-minions think that the government’s deficit-spending with tax-payer funds (money they take from you) is the same exact thing, yet it couldn’t be further from the truth. Dano’s example is designed to mis-lead, and he knows it.

    Yep, he is snookering you, because the government gets its money entirely from you, the tax-payer, and ol’ dano knows it.

    Lori, in other words, dano and his libs think that YOUR money is actually the government’s money…and to them, the only question is, how much of YOUR money will the government let YOU keep.

  63. Warren | January 25, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    “Man, can you believe that dude applewood? And I thought Ben Franklin with his kite in a storm was a glutton for punishment!”

    Thomas Jefferson, Notes On Virginia

  64. Lori | January 25, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    If you were to go to the bank for a mortgage loan, but you didn`t have enough income to support the new mortgage payment, would the bank loan you the money ?
    Comment by applewood — January 25, 2013 @ 2:03 pm

    applewood, this is EXACTLY the behavior that brought down the housing industry and companies like Countrywide.

  65. Warren | January 25, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    “the government gets its money entirely from you, the tax-payer”
    ignorant comment by (who else) Frank

    The government has many sources of revenue that are not from the U.S. tax system, and Frank doesn’t know it.

  66. Lori | January 25, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Frank, pray tell, where do you expect the government to get money if not from the taxpayers?

  67. wayne goodman | January 25, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    60.He doesn’t embarrass easily, I’ll say that for applehead.

    Comment by Kristen — January 25, 2013 @ 2:58 pm

    You’re right. Though being too dumb to know when you are embarrassing yourself doesn’t exactly qualify as a virtue, a fact that Frank has been displaying here for much longer than applewood.

  68. Bill Perdue | January 25, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    I quit counting the number of applewood posts when I got to 20. Applewood must one of those unemployed “takers” to be able to post that many times on a work day?

  69. Hillary | January 25, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Comment by applewood — January 25, 2013 @ 9:49 am
    “how we too can spend more than we bring in.”

    I was wondering applewood, did you forgive or forget the cost of G.W. Bush’s 2 unfunded wars = $1,416,848,330,714 and climbing? http://costofwar.com/

    Did you forgive or forget Bush’s Medicare prescription drug program – Medicare Part D – projected to cost over $1trillion over ten years? Did you forget Bush’s cutting taxes on the upper 2% and cutting taxes on corporations while we were “borrowing” to pay for two wars?

    According to the Treasury Department, when George W. Bush took office in 2001 the national debt was $5.73 trillion and when Bush left office in 2009, the national debt had increased to $10.63 trillion. That is an 85%increaseof $4.9 trillion. Additionally under GW Bush the U.S. had a $1.5 trillion growing budget deficit.
    Was that forgiven or forgotten?

    The federal deficit has fallen faster over the past three years than it has in any such stretch since demobilization from World War II. [...]From fiscal 2009 to fiscal 2012, the deficit shrank 3.1 percentage points, from 10.1% to 7.0% of GDP.
    http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/112012-634082-federal-deficit-falling-fastest-since-world-war-ii.htm#ixzz2J1RQ5RTH

    FACTS are important – President Obama’s policies have reduced the federal deficit. Real solutions are complicated and take time, and have to take political reality into account – especially republican obstructionism.
    Republicans have provided no reasonable solutions to the deficit, instead they prefer to govern by terroristic threats – hostage taking and threatening to crash the economy every few months.

  70. Dan Casey | January 25, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    “FACTS are important –”
    –Comment by Hillary

    Hillary, are you kidding? Facts are not important to applewood. The ones he needs, he makes up and he believes those fervently.

  71. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    #59…Imagine that Gdad…I don`t have to prove anything to you Gdad..I can prove anything I want to beyond the shadow of a doubt, but why would I ? You and the rest of these liberal fools are not going to let any truth penetrate those little utopian bubbles you hide in. It scares you too bad…you morons are scared of your own shadow. Bye, Bye idiots.

  72. Hillary | January 25, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Comment by applewood — January 25, 2013 @ 1:37 pm
    “Do you spend more than you bring home ? Tell me how !”

    I will have to presume from this statement you never went to a university after high school…or you were from a very wealthy family who paid your tuition…most students have tuition loans and incur debt for four years, hoping to begin paying it down when they have a job…in other words. they “spend more than [they] bring home”. That’s the real world, but not evidently your world.

  73. Hillary | January 25, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Yes Dan, but one can hope, no?

  74. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    #70…Proof is in the pudding…Here, we have Hillary who gobbles up the `Democratic lies` so fast that it will make your head spin. Its amazing…all they have to do is print it, and along comes a sheeple to suck it in and believe it…I`m supposing her latest garbage is that of the Huffington Post, or some other liberal media LYING machine. Hillary, if you want to entertain yourself with that crap, fine…We know its a LIE.

  75. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    #67…..Lori, you are an embarrassment to the liberal hacks of this site. You said what ? The Government gets its $$ from the taxpayer ? So tell me, Ms. Obama worshipper ? Why is the moron in the White House and his imps doing everything in their power to crush jobs and create bigger Governmnet ? Seems they would want to CREATE jobs rather than crush them…Creating more jobs would bring in more revenue for the dumbasses to blow on pork. What re-education camp did you recieve your diploma from ? Write, Do, and Say exactly what the liberal professors tell you to and a sheepskin can be yours. Its just that simple.

  76. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Thanks, Frank…and remember, Any post, no matter the authors `name` is probably none other than Dan Casey himself. We know of 5 people he pretends to be and are working diligently to expose the rest. It would be funny were it not so pathetically sad.

  77. applewood | January 25, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    #69…You`re COUNTING my posts and then saying I must be unemployed? Thats rich !!!! No, Mr. Purdue…just independently wealthy($$$$, Bible, guns,Tea Party bumper stickers). I`m the embodiment of everything the `left` is scared of. They`re scared of just about everything, you know.

  78. Art Hill | January 25, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    One or two meth-addled trolls plus a proxy server equals 10 sockpuppets.

  79. Frank | January 25, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Lori,

    The government borrows over 40% of it’s monthly spending. Do you borrow more than 40% of your monthly spending, Lori? I doubt you do.

    Of course I know, and of course I know that you know, that the government gets it’s money from us, the tax payer….plus an additional 40% from China, Japan, and again from you and me, when we lend more of the money we haven’t even earned yet, to the government.

    You don’t get it, do you?

  80. Dan Casey | January 25, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    “I will have to presume from this statement you never went to a university after high school…or you were from a very wealthy family who paid your tuition.”
    –Comment by Hillary.

    Hmmm. Perhaps applewood is living on the “family dole.” That would explain a lot.

  81. Kristen | January 25, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    “#59…Imagine that Gdad…I don`t have to prove anything to you Gdad..I can prove anything I want to beyond the shadow of a doubt, but why would I ?”

    LOL. Dismissed.

  82. Kristen | January 25, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    “. We know of 5 people he pretends to be and are working diligently to expose the rest. ”

    “We” being you and the voices in your head, presumably.

  83. Dan Casey | January 25, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    “No, Mr. Purdue…just independently wealthy($$$$, Bible, guns,Tea Party bumper stickers). I`m the embodiment of everything the `left` is scared of.”
    –Comment by applewood

    No.

    You. Are. Not. The. Embodiment. Of. Everything. The. Left. Is. Scared. Of.

    Rather, you’re a source of amusement — not just for the left — but for many conservatives, most Republicans, and everyone who DOESN’T wear a T-shirt that says, “I’m with stupid.”

    Seriously, applewood, you are the kind of caricature people accuse me of creating just to gin up pageviews on this blog. And by that I mean, the brain’s-been-rotted-by-moonshine-and-crystal-meth kind.

    Fortunately for me, I don’t have to invent you. You and your ilk invent yourselves! (Hey, Frank!).

    It’s sad for our democracy, though.

  84. J.M. White | January 25, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    “I`m the embodiment of everything the `left` is scared of.”

    I must not be on the ‘left’ then, ’cause you’re about as scary as a box of bunnies. Who in the hell fears a coward who calls everyone liars, can’t back up a single thing they say and hides in the safety of anonymity to launch their attacks? I fear unicorns, kryptonite, blueberries and fog more than I fear you, palooka.

  85. Hillary | January 25, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Comment by applewood — January 25, 2013 @ 4:25 pm
    “I`m supposing her latest garbage is that of the Huffington Post, or some other liberal media LYING machine.”

    Poor poor applewood – seems to have a little deadwood in the cranium region…
    Had you ACTUALLY READ the link provided, you would see the information was from Investor’s News [certainly not "liberal media"] with links to the original sources – none from the Huffington Post as you presumed.

    It makes you appear less than bright to criticize FACTS you haven’t even read. Now if you have some type of learning disability, please post that at the end of each of your comments so we can all take your failings into consideration…

    Now about that college education…

  86. Mike Scott | January 25, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    applewood…

    You are da man. Don’t you dare let these libs get to your $$$$ BIBLE GUNS Tea Party Bumper stickers. You do 20 more posts and then 20 more and Dan won’t be able to change identities quick enough to keep up with you. No sir.

  87. Debbie | January 25, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    applewood, I know Lori and her mom, that’s one you can knock off your list.

  88. Hillary | January 25, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Speaking of lying media -here is an interesting headline.

    “Fox News’ Lies Keep Them Out of Canada”

    “Canada’s Radio Act requires that “a licenser may not broadcast … any false or misleading news.” The provision has kept Fox News and right-wing talk radio out of Canada…[...]

    When Stephen Harper moved to abolish the anti-lying provision of the Radio Act, Canadians rose up to oppose him fearing that their tradition of honest non-partisan news would be replaced by the toxic, overtly partisan, biased and dishonest news coverage familiar to American citizens who listen to Fox News and talk radio. ”
    http://tinyurl.com/49a5lq9

  89. Kristen | January 25, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Applewood just screams “independently wealthy”.

  90. Dan Casey | January 25, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    “I must not be on the ‘left’ then, ’cause you’re about as scary as a box of bunnies. Who in the hell fears a coward who calls everyone liars, can’t back up a single thing they say and hides in the safety of anonymity to launch their attacks? I fear unicorns, kryptonite, blueberries and fog more than I fear you, palooka.”
    –Comment by J.M. White

    You’re proving applewood’s case. Everybody knows that Mao, Stalin and Fidel looked like a box of bunnies. I’m mean, jeesh, that is simply accepted in the Tea Party.

  91. Warren | January 25, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    90.Applewood just screams “independently wealthy”.
    Comment by Kristen

    I agree, Kristen. He just screams it.

  92. Debbie | January 25, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    There are very few regulars on this blog who haven’t been accused of being someone else, at one time or another. New news, please.

    “’cause you’re about as scary as a box of bunnies.” Please don’t insult bunnies by comparing them to applewood. Bunnies deserve better.

  93. Frank | January 25, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Way to go, applewood.

    I bet you get 6-7 responses per post!

    They don’t know how to deal with facts! Spew, spew, and spew some more bile is about all they’ve got.

  94. Frank | January 25, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    hey, applewood!

    now you’ve got ol’ dano comparing you to Mao, Stalin, and Fidel (first name basis on ol’ dano’s part…)!!

    I’m serious! You can’t make this stuff up!

  95. Lori | January 25, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Well applewood, one thing you said at 76 was sorta true…I do admire Michelle Obama. Worship is a little strong though.
    As to the “crushing” of jobs by the Obama administration, let me offer up some evidence to the contrary. I know facts aren’t your forte, but humor me, will you?
    There’s this federal department called the Bureau of Labor Statistics. What they do is track data on jobs and all sorts of other things related to employment. Neat, huh? They track jobs lost, jobs created, etc. They do this monthly. Now, as with most things these days, they have a website where you can go and get all kinds of information on employment statistics in the US. Using their site, I found this: http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet
    What that shows is the net change in jobs by month from January 2001 through December 2012. You will see that there have been 27 consecutive months of job GROWTH (which means jobs were CREATED not CRUSHED) from October 2010 through December 2012. From January 2010, through December 2012, 4.7 million jobs have been created.
    What you can also find on this site is the total number of people working per month. http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet This is the info for January 2001 – December 2012. You can see that President Obama’s there were more people working at the end of Obama’s first term(December 2012) than there were at the end of George Bush’s first term! What does that mean? Obama added more jobs to the economy in his first term than Bush did! Actually, Bush LOST 150,000 jobs in his first term; now the economy is adding that many per month. President Obama has added a net of 460,000 jobs to the economy in his first term.
    Don’t believe me? Here’s a guy from US News reporting the same info!
    http://tinyurl.com/bbp9b4c

  96. wayne goodman | January 25, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    90.Applewood just screams “__————————.

    Comment by Kristen — January 25, 2013 @ 6:00 pm
    Fixed it for ya Kristen!
    :)

  97. Dan Casey | January 25, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Lori, any facts or stats you offer to rebut applewood’s silly claims are simply more evidence of the conspiracy at his work — in his mind. BLS? A liberal plot. U.S. News & World Report? ANOTHER liberal plot.

    It’s ALL a liberal plot. Except for WORLD NET DAILY, ha ha!

  98. scott whitaker | January 25, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    #94 Frank, Lori answered him with a boat load of facts and not one ounce of bile. Unless you consider facts that refute your opinions bile, which I think you do…

  99. gdad | January 25, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    “We know of 5 people he pretends to be and are working diligently to expose the rest.”

    Who is “we”? Present your evidence, troll.

  100. gdad | January 25, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    “I can prove anything I want to beyond the shadow of a doubt, but why would I ?”

    Translation: addledwood can prove nothing it spouts.

  101. Frank | January 25, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    ok, scott, let’s exclude Lori. All the other libs just spew, spew, and spew some more.

  102. J.M. White | January 25, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    Frank’s seems a little jealous.
    I think applewood is stealing his thunder.

    applewood is entertaining, too. Like a cat’s captured mouse is “entertaining”, but hey… it’s better than “hey you libs”

  103. Pirengle | January 25, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Frank: All the other libs just spew, spew, and spew some more.

    I’m a fact-generating fountain. I am also J.M. White, Dan Casey, AND Suzie.

  104. Frank | January 25, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    hey J.M.,

    Since you haven’t read my posts on this thread, …I think applewood is the best poster to have settled on ol’ dano’s blog recently. Bar none.

    Yeah, dano compares applewood to mao, stalin, and fidel. seriously, you can’t make this stuff up! you libs can’t handle applewood!

  105. Frank | January 25, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    By the way, J.M.,

    Has Muller’s material been keeping you awake at night?

  106. Art Hill | January 25, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    “I think applewood is the best poster…”

    Narcissist.

  107. J.M. White | January 26, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Frank, I’m just not replying to you seriously anymore. You seem incapable of engaging anyone with any sense of maturity. You’re not a stupid guy, but you actually want to make a career on this blog being exactly that. At your age, you shouldn’t want to be a punk, yet that’s precisely what you are.

    Instead of laughing your ass off as per your comment @ 2:52 pm, why don’t you laugh your fingers off and give us all a break? It’s the nicest, most reasonable thing you could do.

  108. J.M. White | January 26, 2013 at 12:06 am

    And by the way, I’m neither reading nor replying to any comment of yours anymore that starts with “hey”. I’ll skip right over them, regardless of the merit of the content. I invite the rest of the blog to do the same.

    Until you can start acting like an adult and stop deliberately annoying people, you can sit at the kid’s table and be ignored. Have a day.

  109. wayne goodman | January 26, 2013 at 1:19 am

    109.And by the way, I’m neither reading nor replying to any comment of yours anymore that starts with “hey”. I’ll skip right over them, regardless of the merit of the content. I invite the rest of the blog to do the same.

    Until you can start acting like an adult and stop deliberately annoying people, you can sit at the kid’s table and be ignored. Have a day.

    Comment by J.M. White — January 26, 2013 @ 12:06 am

    Standing ovation! Deafening applause! +10 ! I’m all in for that !

  110. gdad | January 26, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Wow, and Frank takes over suzie’s job of propping up the most idiotic right-wing poster. And addeledwood’s posts are even more doltish than Frankie’s.

  111. Frank | January 26, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Hi J.M.,

    Have you any more thoughts on the Murrell material?

  112. applewood | January 26, 2013 at 9:35 am

    My last post was approx 3 p.m….Poor little Art is still in a quandry at 11:50…Sounds positive to me.

  113. applewood | January 26, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Well, JM White…take your ball and carry your little rear-end home. I`m sure this has been your behavior throughout your entire `childhood`. `Hey`…maybe you and Daniel Pearl`s daddy can go and comfort some Islamic extremists…`hey`, whatcha think ?

  114. J.M. White | January 26, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Comment by applewood — January 26, 2013 @ 9:43 am

    Oh, I’m not done with you in the least, applewood. I’m just not dealing with Frank’s tiresome, repetitive background noise anymore. You, on the other hand, have become my new favorite speed-bag coward. I have work to do, but I’ll be back to pummel your yellow butt back to the Victorian Era later. In the meantime, feel free to continue questioning everyone’s integrity from behind the safety of your monitor.

    A person with any sense of honor would never publicly and directly accuse someone of lying without putting their name with the accusation. Then again, as evidenced by you and so many others, honor is not a concept many Republicans know anymore.

  115. Frank | January 26, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Hi applewood,

    Yeah boy, ol’ J.M. is used taking his ball and goin’ home. I bet he must have had some success from doing that as a kid, ’cause he’s still doin’ it as he ages.

    Once he realizes his reasoning holds no water, he throws a fit, and marches off.

  116. Bill Perdue | January 26, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    $$$$, Bible, guns, Tea Party stickers…wow! What a combination! Now that’s something to aspire too!

  117. Leon | January 26, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    117.$$$$, Bible, guns, Tea Party stickers…wow! What a combination! Now that’s something to aspire too!

    Comment by Bill Perdue — January 26, 2013 @ 12:20 pm

    You forget Tiki lights. . .no trailer is a home without them. They also make super targets! Applewood, carry on!

  118. billhudson | January 26, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    #111 I hear you after reading some of the post it reminds me and maybe being back in High School. Maybe we can try to move up the food chain and try to be a bit more civil.

  119. gdad | January 26, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    “Yeah boy, ol’ J.M. is used taking his ball and goin’ home.”

    Said the guy who regularly either simply disappears or just ignores posts when they contain facts that absolutely prove him wrong.

  120. gdad | January 27, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    #120 See what I mean?

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