GOPer gets hoisted by her own voter-fraud canard
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It’s mea culpa time. I’ve stated on this blog more than a few occasions that so-called “voter fraud” was a right-winger myth created to prop up Republican efforts to suppress votes among just about anyone likely to vote for Democrats.
Turns out I was wrong. It wasn’t a myth, not everywhere, anyway.
In Nevada last week, a woman pleaded guilty to trying to vote twice — once in Las Vegas and a second time in Henderson — in the presidential election.
Guess what? She’s a registered Republican. They can be so clever, you know?
Her name is Roxanne Rubin and she works in a casino. She was incensed on Election Day that polls workers ask for her ID, like she thought they should have — because of all that mostly nonexistant voter fraud, you know.
From the Associated Press:
“This has always been an issue with me. I just feel the system is flawed,” Rubin said in the court hallway after agreeing to plead guilty to a gross misdemeanor that in Nevada that could carry a penalty of up to a year in jail.
“If we’re showing ID for everything else, why wouldn’t we show our ID in order to vote?” she said.
Rubin, a 56-year-old registered Republican, originally faced a felony charge of voting more than once in the same election. She could end up with a misdemeanor disorderly conduct conviction if she meets the conditions of her plea deal.
So after she voted in Vegas, she tried to vote in Henderson — to demonstrate, she claimed later, how easy it was to commit fraud at the polls. Problem is, they caught her. Turns out it’s not that easy!
Who cares what she “feels,” anyway? It was costly lesson — $2,481 to be exact. Plus, Rubin as to go to “impulse control” classes (which should also be required for certain bloggers here). And, she has to do 100 hours of community service.
Here’s an idea for that: She should go around to school in Nevada, and tell her story, to teach the students there that it’s a lot harder to get away with voter fraud than she had imagined.
Maybe wear a dunce cap, too.
January 28, 2013 - 7:53 PM
Maybe we should get Congress to start an investigation into voter fraud.
Somehow, I doubt you would support that.
Anyone wanna wager on whether or not she is a member of the teabaggers and the NRA, my money is yes to both
“Maybe we should get Congress to start an investigation into voter fraud. “
–Comment by Henry
No need, Henry,
We’ve already caught all the vote fraudsters. There were two, and and they were both Republicans!
It’s mea culpa time. I’ve stated on this blog more than a few occasions that so-called “voter fraud” was a right-winger myth created to prop up Republican efforts to suppress votes among just about anyone likely to vote for Democrats.
59 Philadelphia precincts allegedly going 100% for obama in the 2012 elections — 19,620 to 0 — is not a myth.
>100 Cuyahoga County Ohio precincts going 99% or more for obama is not a myth.
Six large precints going 99% for obama in Florida is not a myth.
So the truth is exactly the opposite of Dan’s claim. Democrats throw up the canard of GOP cheating to mask their own blatant stealing of elections.
“Accuse your opponent of offenses only you are doing so as to divert attention” –Saul Alinsky
“Accuse your opponent of something you’re already doing.”-Karl Rove
Wow. I never realized that voting multiple times is a felony. Not that I ever thought it was ‘something to do’, I just assumed it would be a misdemeanor. That is one dumb woman. Just think about all the dead people in Chicago cemeteries that could have been charged as felons over the years.
You really like to wallow don’t you Suzie?
“Romney was shut out in 59 Philadelphia precincts, they failed to point out the relevant historical information that John McCain did nearly as poorly, getting shut out in 57 Philadelphia precincts.
In Cleveland, where Romney getting zero votes in nine precincts raised red flags among the GOP, he actually fared better than his predecessor John McCain. McCain was blanked in thirteen of Cleveland’s voting precincts.”
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9757
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/philadelphia_voter_fraud_is_it_possible_that_barack_obama_won_100_percent.html
Whining is so unbecoming. And you right wingers quoting Alinsky is a hoot. Though I agree the twit in Nevada did prove your point.
” “Accuse your opponent of offenses only you are doing so as to divert attention” –Saul Alinsky
Comment by Suzie — January 28, 2013 @ 10:21 pm”
Did Alinsky say anything about Catholic hospitals using secular law to their advantage, even when it’s in direct opposition to Catholic dogma?
you really like being a commie dont you sandi? you probably dont even know who alinsky was.
There is voter fraud on both sides, and EVERY ONE of you people know it. For Casey to suggest that its only the `right` involved is about as asinine and immature as it gets. Even from her.
Sandi…`quoting Alinsky a hoot`? No you don`t …it literally bothers the hell out of you that the moron is quoted.
Henry, buddy, why haven’t Congressional Repubs demanded that massive investigation? Because the answer is so obvious, you get just one guess on this one.
They used to make up crap and attribute it to Jesus, but Jesus has been supplanted by poor Alinsky.
Post a link to Democrats convicted of voter fraud in the 2012 election, applewood. If you can find one, I mean.
applehead, every single solitary post you vomit up on here is either wrong or a flat out lie. Give it up.
For once you are right pammala, a “red-letter-day” no doubt. I never heard of Saul Alinksy until you right wingers started following and quoting him while accusing us of following and quoting him. Ironic eh?
I am not a ‘commie” pammala. I do not want the government to take your livelihood away from you and run a 7-11 for the good of the nation.
Suzie: “Accuse your opponent of offenses only you are doing so as to divert attention” –Saul Alinsky
I can only assume this is written on a Post-It note stuck to Suzie’s monitor, ensuring she remembers the only rule she knows how to follow.
“Floundering” – stumbling about helplessly or Suzie, applewood, and Henry struggling to spin their voter fraud paradox.
“Romney was shut out in 59 Philadelphia precincts, they failed to point out the relevant historical information that John McCain did nearly as poorly, getting shut out in 57 Philadelphia precincts.
In Cleveland, where Romney getting zero votes in nine precincts raised red flags among the GOP, he actually fared better than his predecessor John McCain. McCain was blanked in thirteen of Cleveland’s voting precincts.”
The only thing you’ve proven is systemic Democrat cheating has been going on for quite some time, Sandi. It’s only news to you because you communist MSM hasn’t been interested in reporting it.
“Floundering” – stumbling about helplessly or Suzie, applewood, and Henry struggling to spin their voter fraud paradox.
The numbers don’t lie, Jason. The chances of one large precinct going 100% for obama is nil, let alone hundreds.
“The only thing you’ve proven is systemic Democrat cheating has been going on for quite some time, Sandi. It’s only news to you because you communist MSM hasn’t been interested in reporting it.:
And the Repubs not only haven’t proven it, they aren’t even claiming it. Wonder what the odds of that are?
See how full of it you are?
“The numbers don’t lie, Jason. The chances of one large precinct going 100% for obama is nil, let alone hundreds.”
That’s a bald assertion unsupported by any fact. In any event, she’s not alleging any kind of voter fraud.
It’s actually sad in a way. The RWers shouted and hollered about voter fraud until the cows came home. But they couldn’t find any, so they had to send out some of their own to commit it and prove it exists. But they can’t prove that unless they get caught doing it, so that did their damnedest to ensure that too.
I wonder which sacrificial lambs they’ll choose in the next election? Do the RWers pay these people to make asses of themselves, or at least cover their legal expenses?
Say what you want to about the gun-banners. At least they don’t feel compelled to go out and shoot people to demonstrate there’s a problem.
Dems who voted twice
Andrew Gail Holmes NC
Wendy Rosen MD (voted twice 2x)
“Floundering” – stumbling about helplessly or Suzie, applewood, and Henry struggling to spin their voter fraud paradox.
The numbers don’t lie, Jason. The chances of one large precinct going 100% for obama is nil, let alone hundreds.
Comment by Suzie — January 29, 2013 @ 12:14 pm
+1 to what Dan said at 12:25 p.m. It would not surprise me at all if several hardcare right wingers decided to fall on their swords for the cause!
But seriously, Suzie, I agree with you that the numbers don’t lie. The precincts to which you refer historically vote overwhelmingly Democratic (note the correct form of the word, Suzie). The diverse citizenry of our country recognizes that the Republican Party in its current iteration offers nothing of substance. Republican policies favor the wealthy, overburden the poor and middle class, seek to destroy important safety nets for our less fortunate citizens, pile up debt for unnecessary and ill-conceived wars, and most damning in my mind, blatantly attack the reproductive rights of women and right to equal pay for women.
Suzie, you will no doubt continue to post here in misinformed indignancy, and as much as I try to ignore your posts, I cannot. They are too instructive. Folks like Dave Hicks and Another Chuck sometimes generate posts that make me step back and consider my positions. I can tell they possess an intellectual curiosity that advances a discussion. In contrast, your posts help inform me how not to do things.
Pammalamma, if you support capitalism, could you learn how to use capital letters?
I find it unlikely that Mitt got 48% of the vote legitimately, but hey, all water under the bridge.
Here is some more voter fraud for you:
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/hampden/new-charges-for-villamaino-llewellyn-in-voter-fraud-case
“The two are accused in a voter fraud scheme, where in which 280 East Longmeadow residents had their party registration changed from Democratic to unenrolled. 280 applications for absentee ballots were then dropped off at the East Longmeadow Town Clerk’s office.
At the time, Villamaino was running for the Republican nomination for the 2 nd Hampden District house seat.“
“Wendy Rosen MD (voted twice 2x)”
Comment by GO84 — January 29, 2013 @ 12:58 pm
Apparently she did, but that was not in 2012.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/wendy_rosen_voter_fraud.php
Cite your sources GO84, I can find nothing that says Andrew Gail Holmes NC was charged or convicted of any voter fraud.
That’s a bald assertion unsupported by any fact. In any event, she’s not alleging voter fraud..
Of course I’m alleging major voter fraud. Democrats just wholesale STOLE the election. Made up votes. Changed votes. You name it. The result are the proof. Only an idiot or a lying partisan would say a 100% margin was legit.
I dunno. It’s like finding a body with five bullet holes in it, and saying, “Well, you can’t prove there was a shooting”.
“Of course I’m alleging major voter fraud. Democrats just wholesale STOLE the election. Made up votes. Changed votes. You name it. The result are the proof. Only an idiot or a lying partisan would say a 100% margin was legit.”
No you’re not. Voter fraud and election fraud are quite distinct crimes. Only a low-information voter would confuse the two. If you can’t tell the difference, you should keep quiet.
None of the RWer anguish we heard in the months leading up to the election was about election fraud, which is potentially far more serious though still quite rare. They were ALL about co-called “voter fraud” which is exceedingly rare and much less likely to be serious in effect.
That’s typical though. It’s like dogs barking at a chipmunk rather than a burglar. It’s very characteristic of the right wing.
Suzie, I get it that your mind cannot conceive of a minority neighborhood where Romney or McCain would not get any votes. But you being wrong has never stopped the world to this point. Learn to live with it and realize he lost by more than two states, regardless.
Kristen, Romney got 47% (and some tenths). I just love the irony of him getting 47%.
http://nation.foxnews.com/voter-fraud/2012/11/06/nc-dem-busted-trying-vote-twice
Sampson County, NC
Funny, Bill Perdue. A different 47% than he spoke of.
Wow, “GOP email reports”, what could be more reliable than that?
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/06/nc-election-official-democrat-may-have-voted-twice-in-rural-county/
Is this better? Does it matter where it comes from? It’s only true if it comes from a source you like? What a shame. Both sides do this, neither party is holier than thou. And, if I may be so bold. You might want to ease up on the caffeine, you seam a little tense.
No you’re not. Voter fraud and election fraud are quite distinct crimes. Only a low-information voter would confuse the two. If you can’t tell the difference, you should keep quiet.
Play semantic games all you like, Dan. Bottom line, votes were stolen in all the critical states, and the will of the people was thrwarted.
Someone’s crackpot blog is not a “source”. Don’t be surprised if your posts get laughed at when your only source is “DailyNutball” or whatever.
Did either of your sources do any kind of follow up GO84? An accusation does not prove voter fraud. You do know that, right?
Bottom line, you cannot prove even one vote was actually “stolen”, you are obviously a sore loser but that does not make what you say true. It never has. If the GOTP could prove that such fraud and abuse of the election process had happened, they would have. The Koch brothers are not averse to wasting their money.
You know it’s sad to see that nothing can change your mind or soften your heart. Wendy Rosen dropped out of the race IN 2012 because she was caught voting in 2 different elections in 2 different locations. Oops I forget that doesn’t count. I gave you another name in NC, oops I forgot you can’t see that one either. You rant about “the Kock brothers”, I can rant about “George Soros”. Big woop. You people are up in arms about Sandy Hook. Is it because you only see a white fruitloop kill white children. Take a look at the death toll in Chicago. They seem to have a Sandy Hook about every month. Why don’t I hear about that. Is it because your beloved gun laws are all in place there? Is it because they are black on black crimes? Is it because it is mostly gang related? Democrats have run the place for years. What about Detroit. I seem to remember bailing out the auto industry. Why are they about to go bankrupt? Why are they finding bodies as if they have a serial killer? I’ve voted for Virgil Goode, Dick Cranwell, and Doug Wilder to name a few. Never regreted it. I’ve voted both parties. I don’t agree with everything that they do so don’t think that I’m republican either. I’m not blinded as some of you on here are. I look at the blogs every now and then, but I don’t live on here. I can only figure from the amount of time several of you spend on here that you don’t have much of a life. Some of you need to get outside smell the fresh air. You’re getting yourselves worked up into a frenzy feeding off of one another. You use belittling names as if it improves your point. Bill Maher calls women like Palin the most awful foul names, degrades her children. But that’s ok because she doesn’t agree with your side. So are you trying to mimick this style? I gave you 2 references, you gave me one that actuall says “takingpoints” in the url. Well you got me there. You said that I used a “Crackpot” blog. Does that word make you feel better. I’m sad that you are so angry. If anyone dares to give you something to look at, that disagrees with your point of view, you immediately dismiss it. What a loyal minion. Well I was going to see if something this simple was able to be discussed rationally. It is as I suspected, this is just an angry shouting match between a dozen or so people who hate each other so much that they wouldn’t help each other if life or limb depended on it. How Sad.
I’m not following you go84. What difference does it make if murders occur at Sandy Hook or Chicago? They’re all gun deaths. Chicago doesn’t exist in a vacuum. I could drive a van full of weapons into that city and unless that city has some sort of weapons interdiction program on every street leading into it, which they don’t, I’m getting in with my cargo easily. Illinois gun laws are restrictive but Indiana’s (which borders Chicago BTW) are not and neither are Wisconsin’s or Iowa’s. And with the number of firearms in this country approaching 300 million there is certainly no shortage of weapons to be had. The gun control laws in this country are a joke IMHO. One state allows concealed carry, the other does not, one has a 2 day waiting period the other not, some require a permit or registration or one of the other and other states not, and on and on. The solution to the patchwork laws we have is a federal system of registration and permitting along with a strictly enforced ban on all assault rifles.
I know this is off topic from the above thread but I am just responding to what go84 brought up.
GO84, your point is well-taken. The two people you named indeed were accused of voter fraud, and it appears from what I’ve read that they committed it, too.
There’s a bigger issue here, and I hope you recognize that. It’s that voter fraud is rare. Nearly 136 million votes were cast in the last presidential election. Here on this board, we’re talking about four different people charged with voter fraud, 2 Democrats and 2 Republicans. (The alleged fraud by one of the Democrats, Wendy Rosen, occurred in 2006 and 2008).
As I’m sure you recognize, this is bizarrely out of whack with copious amounts of attention conservatives, and conservatives alone, brought to the issue in 2011 and 2012. In multiple states, they enacted so-called “voter-fraud reforms.” Uniformly, these were proposed by Republican lawmakers. Uniformly, they sought to cure a problem that nobody could demonstrate existed in any way that was at all significant. And uniformly, a byproduct of these so-called “reforms” was that they tended to discourage voting by groups that favored Democrats.
In the spirit of honesty and sanctimony that you demonstrated above, I would expect you to acknowledge that this is true.
It was an attempt to game the system and stack the deck in the Republicans’ favor. It failed because Democrats fought back in the courts, and in the court of public opinion. I’d like to be able to say it backfired but there’s no evidence of that. Mitt Romney’s “47 percent” line probably energized more Democratic voters than the games Republicans played, and in some cases tried to play, to discourage voting by minorities, students and the elderly.
The difference is this. Sandy Hook: 26, Chicago: 532 which do we hear about? Why? Assault Rifle is what exactly. New York passed a law so fast that the police are in violation of it. How nice. But they did it boy, look how fast they reacted. Everytime something happens, our elected leaders know just how to fix it. If we elect them then this will be solved. Yet nothing ever gets fixed because if it did then what would we need them for. Immigation has been a problem for how long? Funny how that never gets fixed. Voter fraud, doesn’t it seem odd that only one party commits all the attrocities while the other has a halo. Which one depends on which side your on. There is an old buisness model called “rule by confusion”. Everyone seems to be ready for battle all the time with vitriolic statments. Or is it just me. You know it seems pointless to have a topic in which each side blames the other instead of coming up with a fix. Like how could we fix voter fraud? Or do we not want to? Do we just want to digress into belittling comments toward each other. Since we can’t actually look at the facts and accept both sides have a point. How can we expect our leaders to be any better.
Dan I spent about 2 minutes and came up with 2 names. You only asked for one. You really think that in the whole US there were only 4 cases of voter fraud. So a voter ID with a picture hurts the democrats how? Do minorities not take a good picture? When they sign up to vote the camera will steal their soul? Or are we to just argue over this so both sides can keep doing what they want. When I get a drivers license I have to get a photo made. People in Iraq were proud to show there purple fingers. Democrats aren’t proud to have a card that says they can vote? I show my voter ID every time I vote. The machines should be secured, cards should be issued. Voting to me should be like activating nukes on a sub…that secure.
Dan I’m quite sure my last post started a backlash of somekind..just can’t be helped I guess. I doubt I’ll post again anytime soon but I do like some of the hometown stuff you do. So I’ll keep up some. I’ve got to go to bed as I work out of town, my son the rat will break out this week, and my mother is in the last stages of alzheimer’s. I’m quite busy with other stuff and this has held me up tonight. I hope and wish that everyone would learn to dissagre without hurtful personal comments. Passionate dialogue is ok, but everyone needs to practice civility.
Goodnight and Godbless
Bottom line, you cannot prove even one vote was actually “stolen”,
See post #31
This is the typical Oprah-watching leftwinger for you . You lay out the reasoning, and they still come back with the same idiotic claim.
#49 “See post #31″
You point out the truth and suzie still comes back with the same idiotic factless claim.
Comment by Suzie — January 30, 2013 @ 12:31 am
And, OMG, look at who’s up at the “loser” hour (so proclaimed repeatedly by suzie herself) of 12:31 a.m.